ESL unveils anti-PED measures

The ESL has announced the first measures to tackle the use of Performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs) at its events.

Kory "SEMPHIS" Friesen's recent revelation that Cloud9's players were taking Adderall, a psychostimulant drug used in the treatment of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), during ESL One Katowice earlier in the year has stirred the debate about the use of PEDs by professional esports players.

After previously announcing that a plan was underway to begin "drug policing, education, and prevention among participants of [its] competitions", ESL has now revealed that it has partnered with the Nationale Anti Doping Agentur (NADA), "to help create an anti-PED policy that is fair, feasible and conclusive while also respecting the privacy of players."


At ESL One Cologne players will be tested for controlled substances

ESL also has plans to meet with the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) to enforce its anti-drug policy in other regions, such as the United States and Asia.

"The expertise of NADA and WADA will help ESL to produce a PED prevention program that will encompass all players participating in competitions organized, hosted or produced by ESL," a statement by the ESL read.

"This program will help ensure that all players are provided with the information and structural support they need to help them manage the physical and emotional pressure of professional gaming."

At ESL One Cologne, in August, players will be tested for controlled substances as ESL wants to ensure that its "values of exemplary sportsmanship and integrity are maintained." In the future, every Intel Extreme Masters, ESL One and ESL ESEA Pro League event will also have these very same tests administered, the German company has guaranteed.

Canada Kory 'SEMPHIS' Friesen
Kory 'SEMPHIS' Friesen
Age:
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Rating 1.0:
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KPR:
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0.14
rip c9
2015-07-23 18:14
#45
CIS Ume 
hold your horses.. c9 didnt even qualify yet lol
2015-07-23 18:20
if they stop them from adderall in qualifier they wont so no problem but if its in the main event then out in group stage
2015-07-23 18:25
#98
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Portugal antCB 
the funny thing actually, is that when semphis was in cloud9 they didn't manage to have meaningful results, even if they were on aderall...
2015-07-23 18:29
thats what no one seems to get lmao
2015-07-23 18:31
that is because no one likes change, especially when its one of the teams they like getting beat now. everyone was use to the c9 of katowice 2015 and DHW 2014 when they were bad. now that they are good, they need an excuse. if they could they would say the logitech mice have built in aimbot
2015-07-23 19:05
+1 true, people cant handle streaks in a streaky game. Fanatic is on a downturn and c9 is on the up. ppl wont cry about fnatic yet.
2015-07-23 19:07
and in the interview they implied other teams are doing it aswell..
2015-07-24 00:26
which they are... just look at pimp and pasha videos
2015-07-24 01:00
RIGHT?!?!? THEY TOOK ADDERALL FOR HOW LONG AND THEY WERE SHIT HOW DO PEOPLE NOT GET THIS
2015-07-23 20:18
#337
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Ukraine gungrave 
so mb he was rly bad so even adderall cant help
2015-07-23 21:53
That's because they managed to Teamkill all the god damn time.
2015-07-23 23:48
Even with adderall, none of the UK teams could make it to a qualifier
2015-07-23 18:34
I sold Rattlesnk and friends plenty of speed in their source days and they did ok back then.
2015-07-23 18:38
that why he rage :)
2015-07-25 13:14
we will see, ive been into contact with frankieonpcin1080p and hes going to distribute it at the next gfinity event with support from henryg, you will see
2015-07-23 19:02
#120 lmfao agreed.
2015-07-23 19:40
Lol, aderall isnt the only performance enhancing drug. I bet they wont test for 5h energy, ibuyprofin, etc
2015-07-23 19:09
Ibuprofen and energy drinks are performance enhancing drugs... lol
2015-07-23 20:29
no, but they can be used as such if you take it in high amounts
2015-07-23 20:32
You clearly aren't very knowledgeable on PEDs, please stop
2015-07-23 20:40
how does a pain reliever help u focus better?
2015-07-23 21:10
#347
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World scrape 
You receive less damage from bullets in-game, obvious
2015-07-23 22:19
'ibuyprofin' LOL Ofc they won't test for Caffeine, are you kidding me? Ibuprofen is an NSAID, it's not even a psychoactive substance.
2015-07-24 01:25
Yes, but it has been proven to help lmao
2015-07-24 02:47
ibuyprofin performance enhancing drug - snavs 2015 Never forget <3
2015-07-24 04:50
As if Cloud 9 were the only team using PEDs... Definitely not.
2015-07-23 22:59
Dear ESL, Maybe focus on enhancing your anticheat measures first. They obviously aren't working. youtu.be/2uUWg9PBzbI Love, Boots
2015-07-23 18:20
Why you post shox legit movement and not flusha?
2015-07-23 18:23
Legit, lol. If you watch the whole video, you'll see during the slowed-down-zoomed-in part that while Shox's aimkey is bugging out/stuck, it actually aimlocks at all four remaining C9 players. First it points towards the guy at B, then the guy in Mid, and finally bounces between Shroud and the guy at A for a few seconds before Shox manages to unstick it. This clip is far more damning than any single Flusha clip, though Flusha's laundry list of clips in totality is probably more damning overall. Watch this video to get a better understanding of how subtle cheating works at the professional level youtube.com/watch?v=Fri9uy9gSw8 the key thing to understand is that these types of cheats are specifically programmed not to snap-lock onto heads thru walls or anything blatant like that-- they provide a "natural-looking" way to get hints at where nearby enemies are.
2015-07-23 18:34
Logout and fuckoff.
2015-07-23 18:46
The fact you sound even half serious is worrying. Please leave the Internet.
2015-07-23 19:24
this is why people will continue to get away with cheating. Also this mentality is why the illuminati can control the world because there are low IQ'd people like you who think the world is full of angels and unicorns. Open up your eyes.
2015-07-23 20:08
This. Blows my mind how many people react negatively to even the slightest suggestion that someone MIGHT be cheating. It literally cannot hurt anyone who is legit to employ further anti-cheat measures and to investigate players randomly. People also like to forget that CS is still a video game and many pros have normal jobs they could fall back on. I believe that many people out there would take advantage of cheating in eSports just to make easy money. It's just a game, if they get banned their life isn't over. It's not like going to jail.
2015-07-23 21:34
THIS x100000000000000 It's amazing and near laughable how uninformed the large majority of this community is when it comes to pro players cheating. All it takes is a ballsy kid with a few thousand dollars visiting the right parts of the internet to go out and become a pro CS player without anyone questioning his ability to play the game.. after all, he's made it that far and went to LAN's and did well, right? These things were looked at as solid proof of a legit player who is simply good at the game, yet no one had the slightest clue it was even possible until the whole ordeal with KQLY and others.
2015-07-24 01:35
Sorry I'm late to reply, just wanted to let you know if you think I have a low IQ and shox is a cheater, you should probably just kill yourself. Thank you.
2015-08-11 08:18
its a fascinating insight into how silver players see the game
2015-07-23 20:36
#350
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Australia SUNSPY 
+1 LEARN ABOUT FUCKING SECURITY OR SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU SPASTIC CUNTS WHO KEEP ON ABOUT THIS WITH MIND BLOWING SPASTIC LOGIC. LAN IS NOTHING TO DO WITH VAC. VAC FINDS CODE ON HOME COMPUTERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT. DO YOU FOLLOW AT ALL ? LAN.. DOESN'T... FUCKING.. NEED.. VAC. DUHHHHHHHHHH WHAT NO.. RLY!? They could have a security expert make an six hour presentation before the final match begins, and you cunts would still find a way to have spastic flawed logic. I'm fucking done hltv, ban me PLEASE. Staggering how fucked in the head these discussions are. Just a few people with any clue, who get drowned out by more and more posts by dumbest cunts trying so hard to be right yet have no fucking idea. I'll give you $5,000,000 if you can prove it cunts. Go contact ESL offer to set up a demonstration of how you cheat at their LAN. GLHF Seriously ban me please.
2015-07-23 22:36
You really deserve a ban, boy. Let us, stupid people, know, what are security measurements on ESL events? Because as far as I remember, the only event with high security, from cheaters was CPL. If you wanted to use your cfg, you had to send it to admins weeks before event, the pc's didnt had internet connection, you may be using only your mouse, keyboard and headphones and a console. To be honest i dont know, what theire doing on esl events aagainst cheaters. Tell me :)
2015-07-24 03:19
Get a fucking life
2015-07-24 15:33
+1 lets gang up on him and shut him out! He has a contrary opinion, kill him! Kappa Fuck you
2015-07-23 21:36
I don't know why people call you and idiot for believing someone is cheating. Like seriously... For how long have we thought cheating in CSGO was because of VAC almost imposible. And guess what? KQLY and company got fucked. VAC is not perfect. I am pretty sure that at least some of the pros (not necessarily tier 1) cheat / have cheated. They don't have to drop a 30 bomb every game. The amout of info they can get for their team by those subtle cheats is enormous. The can just say "I think I heard someone at car" and boom, the guy gets killed.
2015-07-23 21:35
Because it's easier and more pleasant to stick your head in the sand than it is to think critically and remain skeptical. That's it. Ignorance is bliss.
2015-07-23 21:42
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
2015-07-24 01:36
#352
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Australia SUNSPY 
SIMPLE.. FUCKING.. IDIOTS.. LIKE YOU ? GO GET A BRAIN SCAN
2015-07-23 22:37
I am not an idiot. I just look at all possibilities. The only one proving he's an idiot is you...
2015-07-23 23:07
#442
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Australia SUNSPY 
No, sorry, the anti cheat measures have been discussed, all large tournament organizers agreed to the same policies months ago and an article was right here on HLTV. The information is there, anyone who understands how computers work can accept the systems are secure. Pointing to HERESAY by a self-serving cheat coder **** or one isolated incident doesn't change the facts about LAN security. It just doesn't. You can't install software on their LAN systems even if you were allowed to have a memory stick, under the supervised conditions. You'd be able to do it IF you had physical access to the system with NOONE AROUND for at least 5 minutes, possibly longer depending on any further measures. I do not know if they are using a system that ensures file integrity but those are nothing new - you boot the system up and anything that has changed without authorisation is reverted to the correct files, imagine a per-boot version of laptop restore software. This is a very very old technology, so old I don't remember the name of the one I've seen. Let's assume though that when you manually access the filesystem and registry so your cheat is on the system and will be active when the OS boots. The only way to install the cheat software is just that, MANUALLY install via another OS or taking the hard drive out.. how are you going to do that while all the people are around, venue cameras and all ? if you don't see that MANUALLY modifying the OS filesystem and registry is required, why are you arguing in the first place ? you don't know what is going on so you are coming to a conclusion based on no information, worse, MISINFORMATION spread by others in the same position. It's DELUSIONAL to keep believing maybe, via some magic, people bypass all the layers of security and install cheats on these LAN computers. Yes an open mind is an absolutely wonderful thing, most of the time, but without the knowledge of the security layers in place and how they work, it's just so delusional. The problem is not an easy one to solve, the sheer number of computer illiterate (security and otherwise) people in the community that perpetuate myths and heresay is like a snowball rolling down a giant hill, only getting bigger. Anyone can get on the internet, spread lies and misinformation and 99.99% of people reading it don't have the knowledge to properly assess what they read/hear. Tell a convincing enough story about someone who cheats and cry foul, guess what, shit ton of people will also complain, and spread it. Valve or ESL could spend a good chunk of cash making an in depth presentation on security, even though to actually explain things properly is going to be long and complicated. Maybe it's been considered but the bottom line was why bother ? human nature.. most people saying these things would still point to Valve's workshop flaw, despite long being fixed and they'd still consider a cheat coder saying pros cheat, as a credible source. Of course they're going to say that, it can only bring them more business, not less. You can't tell people things they don't want to hear. You can't make people listen when they have a contrary belief. You just can't get through, people need to experience and learn things themselves. If only every single person in the community could take a cheat and be given supervised access to a properly administrated LAN.. here you go sir, USB stick. We're watching you. Cheat away ! If only.
2015-09-01 16:56
#68
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Denmark kozality 
I don't like feeding trolls, but how stupid can you be?
2015-07-23 18:24
#353
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Australia SUNSPY 
Clearly exceptionally stupid.. deserving of an award recognizing the most stupid infant level minds on the planet. That's an insult to infants. You.. braindead cunt below.. you are the one who is BLANTANTLY FUCKED IN THE HEAD lol. Explain how it's blatant kid, and include how he got his 'aimlock' to work past admins. $$ for you when you do. Easier choice, go die dumb cunt
2015-07-23 22:40
Well, I guess they know better, don't they?
2015-07-23 18:38
this guy must be really bad, still lose a match with cheats. lel
2015-07-23 18:49
Boots, I've always wondered if you're typing to us from your psychiatric ward or not? You cannot possibly be a functioning dude in society like most others with your belief systems.
2015-07-23 19:34
Nice aimbot that aims like shit and makes you loose games lol
2015-07-23 20:15
is your mm rank DMG?
2015-07-23 23:25
Really looks like aimlock, lol
2015-07-24 10:11
Rip. ChrisJ :(
2015-07-23 18:21
lol stereotypez
2015-07-23 18:47
this will be so ridiculous if c9 fails to qualify for major :D
2015-07-23 18:26
have you seen the shit pasha takes at lan? dude looks like he smoked meth with the way he tweeks this isnt like new to video games or cs. plenty of teams take drugs like adderal because to focus for how long they are with delays and what not can be difficult. im for no drugs in the scene, just dumb how people htink its just c9.
2015-07-23 18:38
Pasha takes coffeine in pill form, he talked about it on his stream. He reacted very strongly when someone asked if he took adderall. He said something like 'amphetamina?!? NO, never, you think i'm crazy!?!?' basically didn't seem faked at all, guaranteed he's never touched it. And I'm no fan of him.
2015-07-23 19:37
rip n0things weed
2015-07-23 18:44
Its pretty easy to keep a pill of Adderall in your pocket or where ever to take after you have been tested. They will just have to stay clean up until that point. Amphetamines like Adderall I believe are water soluble and can be flushed out of your system within 3 days of a healthy diet.
2015-07-23 19:31
#218 you are 100% correct. Not to mention if its really a pain in the ass they can just get a perscription. Adderall is really easy to get if you haveADHD. i got myself some during finals in school that way.
2015-07-23 19:44
its all about the perscription if u got one WADA cant do shit so..same thing in other professional sports
2015-07-23 20:04
Except that if they ban the substance, you are not allowed to use it even if you have prescription for it. It might be unfair to players that actually need it, but in a nutshell it's the only way PED regulation can work. All players have to fall under same rules and regulations.
2015-07-23 20:27
but if you need it to function in daily life...
2015-07-23 20:30
It doesn't really matter, as I said, all players have to obey the same rules. If you aren't allowed to have x substance in your system, then prescription won't help you with that. It's unfair towards people that actually need it, but nobody is saying they can't compete. They will just be at disadvantage.
2015-07-23 20:32
well you're assuming that esl declares that in their rules. in major league baseball over here in the states a player failed a drug test due to adderall and was suspended, later got a prescription and now he takes it
2015-07-23 20:35
As far as I know, WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) declares that anyone that is subject to anti-doping measures must ensure that medication they take don't contain any banned substances through either contacting the doctor, pharmacist or the organization itself. There could be case where ESL in the future employs their own doctor that could prescribe certain medications that could be used during such events. For now, just banning substance and putting everybody under the same rules is most probable solution.
2015-07-23 20:41
interesting, didn't know that. we'll see what they decide
2015-07-23 20:47
Here are few links if you are interested in reading into it: wada-ama.org/en/questions-answers/athlet.. drugs.com/wada/ As you mentioned, there are some exceptions that are granted after reviews. It's gonna be interesting to see how ESL will handle those.
2015-07-23 20:51
lol they cant ban a prescripted drug. People use it to function in every day life. If they ban a player who uses a drug that he is prescribed by a professional DR. that player can legally file a lawsuit against them...
2015-07-23 21:13
Tests never happen prior to the game they happen afterwards lol.. Why would they test you before unless they are dumb..
2015-07-23 20:03
I figured it would be like any other drug test you would take before getting hired for a job. I am sure sports are a little different, it would make sense for them to do it after definitely.
2015-07-23 20:29
I only follow football, they do it after a match ends they randomly choose up to 3 players from a team and test them, if you choose not to attend you get banned for 9months that is at least in the English Premier League and this is what happened to Rio Ferdinand, ofc there is a fine as well.
2015-07-23 20:38
they'll just get doctor's prescriptions, no big deal
2015-07-23 20:28
#321
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World madman112 
They are not allowed to use even if prescriptioned. At least thats how it goes in normal sports.
2015-07-23 21:31
According to this press release of the annual drug report, the MLB issued 113 Therapeutic Use Exemptions (TUEs) in 2014, and all but one were for prescription treatments associated with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). In MLB there are a LOT of players who are issued medical exemptions by the league which allow them to take Adderall on a daily basis after they get proper paperwork and evaluations by 3 Drs I think. Shane Victorino was the posterboy for this as he was one of the first and did commercials and stuff for ADHD. Carlos Ruiz got banned for 25games one year, got a medical exemption the next. Chris Davis the same thing except he didnt get Adderall he got something different because of the less abuse potential but I feel he did it to show he really needed it since adderall is highly abused.
2015-07-24 12:06
RIP PASHA! haha kappa
2015-07-24 00:25
DO you all realize corey said Aderall was the reason C9 comms sucked when he was playing with them? They probably not using it anymore since they look like theyre doing good...
2015-07-24 00:47
rip
2015-07-25 19:41
#2
Russia Aonik 
c9 [*]
2015-07-23 18:15
Just PR bullshit from ESL. It is clear they dont give a fuck as they still make their events cheating friendly. Players can bring and use whatever thay want and ghosting never was so easy.
2015-07-23 19:04
2015-07-23 19:32
+1, this putting gear to a box for a night was a nice joke. cartoon box the main anticheat at esl :D
2015-07-23 19:34
You're so obviously boots alt account. Both crazy, schizophrenic Polish people.
2015-07-23 19:39
KQLY and emilio are urban myths then? Haha, delusional Scandinavians.
2015-07-23 19:41
n1ce
2015-07-23 18:14
you think you will achieve anything if Adderall+CO is banned? No my friend, you still sucks :DD
2015-07-23 19:26
?
2015-07-23 19:41
#4
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Poland marco555 
RIP c9
2015-07-23 18:14
n1
2015-07-23 18:14
[*] C9
2015-07-23 18:14
RIP kennyS
2015-07-23 18:14
#44
France qor 
Hahahaha!!
2015-07-23 18:20
expected
2015-07-23 18:14
rofl
2015-07-23 18:14
[*] c9
2015-07-23 18:14
Rip c9
2015-07-23 18:14
Pointless.
2015-07-23 18:15
#15
Greenland nkmm 
C9 ripperonie
2015-07-23 18:15
#17
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Russia Windcast 
c9 rip in pepperoni
2015-07-23 18:15
rip means rest in peace... so you basicly said: ''c9 rest in peace in pepperoni''
2015-07-23 19:13
great observation!
2015-07-23 19:39
#264
shox | 
Estonia dev2ce 
rip means to tear or pull (something) quickly or forcibly away from something or someone.
2015-07-23 20:06
It means rest in peace mr albanian isis
2015-07-23 20:19
Best T side player since Bin Laden
2015-07-23 21:38
to rip is also a verb mr. global not elite but maybe nova.
2015-07-24 02:09
But me is global elite :(
2015-07-24 09:24
you don’t strike me as a very experienced person here in the internet.
2015-07-25 17:54
n1
2015-07-23 18:15
Rip Gay9
2015-07-23 18:16
#22
DSK | 
Albania DSK- 
can i know why rip C9 thnx
2015-07-23 18:16
they use drugzzz, u third worlder
2015-07-23 18:17
#72
DSK | 
Albania DSK- 
ty 1st worlder, also you might live in swiss but the way you speak 2 ppl is 3rd worlder.
2015-07-23 18:25
Your parents should be ashamed kid
2015-07-23 19:11
another one? ayyy
2015-07-23 19:14
#323
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World madman112 
They should, greetings from Finland.
2015-07-23 21:34
because they used adderall in 1 tournament and now everybody thinks that they are using it 24/7 and never stop, that they eve use it at their homes
2015-07-23 18:18
#58
Xyp9x | 
World FreeSir 
how do you know that they only used it in 1 tournament?
2015-07-23 18:21
how are you people so sure they are doing it every tournament?
2015-07-23 18:22
#102
Xyp9x | 
World FreeSir 
we cant really know, it just seems obvious that their massive improvement in the last month has something to do with it
2015-07-23 18:30
Except when Semphis said they used it they were chaotic as fuck and did horribly so its as equally likely that they do not take it now.
2015-07-23 18:39
#142
Xyp9x | 
World FreeSir 
well, who knows. maybe semphis was a factor for the chaos himself
2015-07-23 18:40
That's actually retarded. Adderall doesn't suddenly make you good.
2015-07-23 19:02
#206
Xyp9x | 
World FreeSir 
thats not what i meant. imo there are some factors for the rise of c9 lately. and the abuse of adderal might be one of them.
2015-07-23 19:19
You don't have any proof to say that they are using Adderall. In addition, you can't claim that their use of it is boosting their performance. There is no evidence to their use/lack of use of Adderall, other than Semphis's claim. But their is no proof to his claim, other than him saying that their behavior was "abnormal." At the same time, there isn't any proof to say he's wrong. There may never be solid proof on this topic. All these assumptions and accusations on it are pretty ignorant and people should wait for solid proof.
2015-07-23 19:48
How can abusing adderall factor into c9s performance?!? If anything they might be able to stay up later to practice longer but other than that it doesnt do shit. Its not like steroids dude. I used to take adderall so i would know unlike most of the people here speculating that its like smoking crack and they (c9) do it ALL the time.
2015-07-23 19:48
#277
Xyp9x | 
World FreeSir 
maybe it doesnt do shit to you. it is in fact a drug that can improve your focus and concentration. which would lead to an advantage over the ones, that dont abuse it
2015-07-23 20:13
its confirmed for 1 tournament, so thats all we can say
2015-07-23 18:32
Why should they use it in only 1 tournament?
2015-07-23 18:32
#80
DSK | 
Albania DSK- 
ty
2015-07-23 18:26
cs growing.I love it <3
2015-07-23 18:16
#24
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United States Cheesegoose 
let's have [*] for Cloud 9
2015-07-23 18:16
ESL ubivaet PEDorasov
2015-07-23 18:17
#26
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Spain akproxx 
Lol rip c9 rip nothing
2015-07-23 18:17
all [*] c9
2015-07-23 18:17
Why do all ex-c9 members hate cloud9 so much? I wonder what can cause so much anger for a top NA team
2015-07-23 18:17
The only one that doesn't is Shahzam lmao
2015-07-23 18:20
#88
DSK | 
Albania DSK- 
Cuz hes a grown man, and he accepted the fact that he played poorly and by blaming c9 for taking things that wont change hes skill.
2015-07-23 18:27
Shahzam and grown man can't be put on the same sentence unless there is a not between them. He just wants to protect his chances for a comeback, the only way they would look at him if they know he was not a backstabbing fag. Because he knows for a fact he could never get on a team with any of the ex-iBP players so he sucks up to C9.
2015-07-23 20:06
lolwhat?
2015-07-23 20:39
Shahzam's only hope to play internationally is to get back on C9, none of the ex-iBP would want to play with him after he snitched on them. + He knew already he didn't even deserve to be considered for the sniper role in C9.
2015-07-23 20:54
he's just a pussy too scared to do anything
2015-07-24 04:00
who hates who here? hiko confirmed c9 hater? i arent think that. semphis mentioned something that he probably shouldnt have, but taking away the upgrade from shahzam to skadoodle, booting him for a quiet guy that hold the team together well and just does one well defined job and is no obstacle in seans leadership made them one of the best teams in the world within mere weeks. meanwhile semphis' career is coming to an end in a shitty failure team, so obviously hes a bit salty.
2015-07-23 18:35
#32
United States Gowy 
rip cs
2015-07-23 18:18
remove S and put 9
2015-07-23 18:20
rip pasha , c9 will still beast , rip vp
2015-07-23 18:18
rip happy :P
2015-07-23 18:33
Happy might look stoned but he doesn't twitch like pasha
2015-07-23 19:01
rip c9 xD
2015-07-23 18:18
rip NA cs
2015-07-23 18:18
one person says something and an organisation straight up goes to take measurements even without checking whether he's telling the truth oh wait, we're supposed to believe in the integrity of everyone with a bit of popularity to his name KAPPA MUCH all of this is pointless
2015-07-23 18:19
#53
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Austria AustriaN 
Do you have a real answer to n0thing, who suddenly became best player for 1 map and then can't even get double digits against TSM?
2015-07-23 18:21
Yes, only n0thing is incredibly inconsistent in the pro scene. Do you wear your KappaHat daily? The majority of the pro players are incredibly inconsistent including your almighty heroes f0rest and Neo. You wanna imply that they are on adderall or any other boosting drug? And while you're at it don't just imply stuff but prove them. And while you're at it convince me how Semphis the bitter hero has an unquestionable track record of speaking the truth in 100% of the time. I'll fucking wait.
2015-07-23 18:31
#160
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Austria AustriaN 
I know that he is inconsistent, but he just never was THAT good like he was @ ESWC, EEPL & DHVCL. And I never said that semphis was saying 100% truth, but what he says makes sense and unless you tell me sth more logical I will say that Cloud9 are using PEDs...
2015-07-23 18:48
#166
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Austria AustriaN 
btw n0thing had a headache at the final in Montreal: drugs.com/cdi/adderall.html gyazo.com/b6b764ca9c0d6675c1e906abdaae5f..
2015-07-23 18:52
Probably because he was puffing down lbs of weed before his game ;)
2015-07-24 07:52
remember that last series against fnatic? where was olofm? completely shut down by c9. what are we implying here, that olofm suddenly played shit bcs he didnt have a chance to take his pills before the game like he normally would have? or jw, who had one of the shittiest tournaments in his career? calm the fuck down man. nothing became a great player after semphis was removed and they got a pure entryfragger and the whole team could be reformed basicly, seeing how important semphis was for them before (not in a good way apparently). the ska transfer was just an upgrade to shahzam. new team, new structure, the role nothing wants to play, clear communication, amazing players around him that achieve success and thus motivate him to play even better, maybe that had something to do with it?=
2015-07-23 18:40
#148
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Austria AustriaN 
So you just typed a whole story and still you didn't answer my question... respect m8
2015-07-23 18:44
i dont have an answer to nothing, bcs he doesnt need an answer. he didnt ask a question. it much sounded like u were implying his success is linked to him using adderall, which is nonsense, since there are a lot of different reasons for it that make a lot more sense.
2015-07-23 19:34
most important part of this is n0thing has claimed to have adhd for a long long time so durring all the times he was awful he was taking adderall as well. he's probably been taking adderall his entire professional career. Therefore his current form can not be contributed to adderall, just because the majority of the public is just finding out about it.
2015-07-24 03:19
this was comming either way semphis just made it come faster you idiot
2015-07-23 18:21
Oh, really? This was coming either way? Give me a source that isn't based on Semphis saying what he did. Then we'll judge who's the idiot between the two of us.
2015-07-23 18:24
ur beyond retarded holy shit
2015-07-23 18:26
Said the guy that can only insult with his posts. Think your brain was lost somewhere in the transaction of you being born. Stay beneath my feet, you peasant.
2015-07-23 18:32
#144
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Austria AustriaN 
Calm your tits m8 If Cloud9 aren't using PEDs (which they are, imo) they have n0thing to fear and you have no reason to be a jerk to everyone.
2015-07-23 18:42
my fuckin god, ur dumb as shit. expected nothing less looking at the flag though. obviously what semphis said was probably the trigger in the end, but important esports people have said that drug usage had been in the scene since the earliest days. working with an anti doping agency is an important step in the professionalization of esports as a whole, which is what everybody wants to achieve.
2015-07-23 18:42
#164
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Austria AustriaN 
Show your flag and then still do NOT insult anybody...
2015-07-23 18:50
You've got the IQ of a potato therefore you can't hold yourself in a higher regard compared to anyone else. Also the interwebz is the only place where you're gonna be talking to anyone like that because in real life where you don't exist, you'll be used as a broom. "obviously what semphis said was probably the trigger in the end, but important esports people have said that drug usage had been in the scene since the earliest days." Which people said what and when? Implying that someone from 99 with a drug tendencies using something had anything to do with the whole scene abusing X,Y drugs on a consistent basis? How clueless are you? Same goes for the scene today in which the majority of whom are kids. Most know shit about drugs. Also you think it's easy to get your hands on adderall in every country? Most wouldn't even know where to begin with it. There's always the possibility of a someone taking something but only a person out of his mind would think that's a widely spread thing or endangering the legitimacy of competition in any way. Trying to link people being inconsistent with the use or lack of such of enhancing drugs is fucking comical. Barely anyone is that consistent in this game and has nothing to do with the use or lack of use of drugs. Maybe ChrisJ hits a bong from his house and does magic but that's all there is. Semphis couldn't even be serious while spilling the pills about using adderall. He was laughing his ass off like that one thing a group of friends did once in the past and had a blast. That sounded like an one off thing that they did for shit and giggles because back then they were a team that didn't give a shit about competing and were only going through the motions. shroud and doodle look like the last people on planet earth to be taking any of those stuff freak is probably only taking stuff concerning his fitness n0thing looks like a typical pot-head seangares probably would die after one cigarette
2015-07-23 19:21
judge me bcs im insulting, then insult me back. n1. u can watch yt videos made about this topic where people will tell u from experience that drug usage is a thing in esports since a long time. adderall especially in murica. the fuck does it matter if u can get adderall everywhere or just in murica? actually even worse if only muricans get it easy. also its foolish to assume that eu players couldnt get it if they wanted to. doesnt matter anyways. did i say its widespread? and does it matter? not at all. i didnt link anyones success, consistency or whatever to adderall or anything else, i dunno where ur getting this from. adderall may give certain people an edge in some situations, thats what i think in case ur interested. not everyone and it doesnt make anyone 3 times better than they are. again, does it matter? if 10% of the players would each get 5% better, it would still fuckin count. the fuck do u kno whether semphis was serious or not? and does it fuckin matter? the fuck do u kno who of the c9 guys would or would not use adderall? and does it fuckin matter? i wanna watch tournaments that are based purely around whats happening in the server and the skills of the players and the teams. i dont think adderall plays a big factor in this, but even if it plays only a small factor in the competitive integrity, whats wrong with removing that factor? that was my point from the beginning: why the fuck would anyone have a problem with ESL preventing PEDs from being used at all?
2015-07-23 19:42
Insults someone about their IQ but doesn't know what the word transaction means? Either terrible troll or genuinely stupid. Just another pseudo-intellect on hltv. trans·ac·tion tran&#712;sakSH(&#601;)n,tran&#712;zakSH(&#601;)n/ noun an instance of buying or selling something; a business deal.
2015-07-23 21:57
Who cares about his statements? This had to come at some point, not too soon I would add. A great day for esport.
2015-07-23 18:25
#105
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Portugal antCB 
"oh wait, we're supposed to believe in the integrity of everyone with a bit of popularity to his name" you're supposed to believe in the integrity of anyone, really. that's how it (should work) works.
2015-07-23 18:31
#37
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Austria AustriaN 
R.I.P Cloud9 [*] I still can't believe that teams really do such stuff in eSports :/
2015-07-23 18:19
noice
2015-07-23 18:19
Rip krimz
2015-07-23 18:19
#42
Finland :XD 
light candle for C9 [*]
2015-07-23 18:20
NA's chance just got VACED
2015-07-23 18:20
#49
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Greenland LilPeep 
Except some people actually have medical prescriptions to use Aderall. (and guess which team have players in that situation? Yap, C9)
2015-07-23 18:20
Then they can provide proof of their condition being present and still requiring treatment and get an exemption. Just like every other sport.
2015-07-23 18:29
#115
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Greenland LilPeep 
Yup. Just one thing, people say that in NA it's not that hard to fake it and fool the docs into saying they need aderall, is it true?
2015-07-23 18:33
It used to be almost compulsory for a doctor or psych to prescribe some sort of med for any kid that came in front of them "just in case" any ADD/ADHD symptoms were present. In Canada in the late 1990's I was tested thoroughly and that's always been the way it was done, even in the early development of diagnostic and treatment practices for those kinds of disorders. Only in the last 5 years has the US become more stringent and more discriminating in how those meds are distributed. People can still fake it to get stuff to sell, but longer term prescriptions or more powerful meds to treat ADD and ADHD are fairly heavily controlled, now. There has to be testing and several opinions from several medical sources in agreement to get the good stuff.
2015-07-23 18:40
#115 yes its true.
2015-07-23 19:55
#50
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Russia e1em3nt 
oooops c9 t3 inc.
2015-07-23 18:21
Let's hope they dont start testing for weed, half the professional players may quit cs
2015-07-23 18:21
nah, just chrisJ :D
2015-07-23 18:26
#109
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Portugal antCB 
i don't think weed is regarded as a PED
2015-07-23 18:32
And whats up with the people who really need this medicine?
2015-07-23 18:21
#54
Estonia rYm 
hahaha :DD poor c9
2015-07-23 18:21
rekt NA [*]
2015-07-23 18:22
what if they have a prescription? By a doctor how will they tackle that?
2015-07-23 18:22
only us can get it easily in eu its hard
2015-07-23 18:23
#123
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Portugal antCB 
if you're being watched by the same doctor for years (here we call them "family doctors") it shouldn't be too hard.
2015-07-23 18:35
Try doing shit like that in germany say hello to the police
2015-07-23 19:12
#199
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Portugal antCB 
it's not like its legal here, but it's hard as fuck to prove (it's illegal) tho .
2015-07-23 19:14
Then they should get prescription from EU doctors as well, as the Majors is held here.
2015-07-23 18:38
thats not realistic at all. Who's going to pay their stay/cost while being examined by EU doctor?
2015-07-23 18:45
They each only needs to do it once. Either ESL, or their (org pays for it - 'cuz they are the only suspicious team seems to have taken it as of now)..
2015-07-23 18:47
ADD/ADHD does not like get tested in a day or something. I've done it and it took me a while to convince my doctor that I have ADD (I obviously don't have it). - I had to convince my regular doctor which I always go to when I'm sick. He had to give me a signed letter stating he believes I might have ADD/ADHD and he recommended me to a psychologist. I had to an intake appointment for them to see if it might be a such case. They believed me. So I had to go there another 5 times, do some tests, they checked my old school reports, did some more testing and eventually they told me that I have ADD. This shit costed me 375 Euro's. In Holland we are insured for these type of things, but we always have 'Own Risk' amount. Which is around 375 euro. Meaning costs till €375 you pay yourself. Above it, the insurance company pays. Anyway, to sum it up: It's not easy nor it's cheap to do this test. They even check your behaviour at elementary school. I think the total costs was way above 375 Euro. 5 times to Psychologist is not cheap if you are not insured. And an American insurance company will never cover the costs of this type of test abroad, why would they.
2015-07-23 18:59
See the difference? Judging by NA comments/ NA pros lately they've said that it's very easy to get a prescription for ADD there. Meanwhile it's not so easy in EU. That's why they should get tested in EU so it's fair. Also imo, their org should pay for it - they should have known that the players was on adderal and accepted it - so they're the ones who actually triggered all this stuff. So yeah..
2015-07-23 18:59
I feel you bro. And I agree. But that's not going to happen. The costs would be immense for the org to do that in the EU.
2015-07-23 19:09
As immense as paying a player 20k to join there team?
2015-07-23 19:14
To get a full team tested here in Holland would cost around €7k-€8k. This includes their costs for their stay. If they pay €20k for a player, yeah...if the team says they will win prices because of these drugs then you are right. They will most likely pay for it now that I think of it.
2015-07-23 19:17
Yeah orgs like c9,fnatic,envy even liquid are soo fucking rich thats almost nothing for them
2015-07-23 19:35
Dude, I don't know how that works for you, but I get my medicine for ADD (I do actually have it) entirely for free and it took WAY less than 6+ appointments to get it. I think the difference might be age or maybe insurance package, but your situation sounds kinda extreme. (Could also be a different kind of medicine. In fact, it likely is.) Perhaps you took these tests a long time ago, since I had mine 2/3 years ago and the last one half a year ago (only took 1 test to get my meds back!), but I still think it's weird that they had to test you so often when it took me no effort at all.
2015-07-23 21:56
The medicine is free, I dont pay for it. But I think it was the fact that I went to the doctor myself with the 'suspicion' that I had ADD. As you know it's pretty popular to get Ritalin for studies and such. So I think the doctors I went to suspected me first of getting the medicine without having ADD. They checked like everything, early school years and comments of my teachers. To see whether they mentioned some concentration problems. You were diagnosed 2/3 years ago, maybe then it was different. And because it was diagnosed, you probably got your meds back easily with one test. Took me a lot of effort to get diagnosed with ADD.
2015-07-24 03:33
I guess it was a different situation with you than with me, but I feel quite astonished about hearing the trouble you went through to get it. Sure, might not have been legit, but it almost feels like I cheated the system xD.
2015-07-24 22:11
Does this also include marijuana? If so double rip c9, rip N0thing
2015-07-23 18:23
thats mess'd up yo
2015-07-23 18:24
Very good :D
2015-07-23 18:25
#74
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Finland kappaboi 
rip csgo
2015-07-23 18:25
#79
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Czech Republic AsToNOfficial 
hahaha allu confirmed it "I think they didnt get their daily dose of heroin today." :D
2015-07-23 18:26
Rip smithzz
2015-07-23 18:38
What about improving your anti cheat programs and such first. Or..the tournament format. Idiots.
2015-07-23 18:26
this. Don't care at all about players taking aderall, comes with its own downfalls. Cheating on the other just ruins shit and LANs are still organized thinking "well pro's dunt cheat on LAN amrite".
2015-07-23 18:34
all they need is heat detectors so they can know when they inject the adderall into their bloodstream and their faces get all sweaty and hot not all this complicated bullshit no kappa
2015-07-23 18:26
[*] NBK's hormone therapy and his dreams of ever becoming a male.
2015-07-23 18:27
rofl
2015-07-23 20:46
Anyone else find this hilarious? This is the kind of stuff that makes me laugh at organizations. Like C9 is the only team that has done it.. And who cares if anyone does? It is their right to do if they want to play and be that way
2015-07-23 18:28
"Who cares ig anyone does it" maybe the legit players who dont do such shit
2015-07-23 19:16
#91 i agree this is fucking retarded. I dot care if ANYONE takes adderall or whatever else floats their boat. It comes with their own downfalls. ESL should be focusing on providing a better LAN environment i.e better anti-cheat. Not wasting more time and money on pointless crap. Its not like taking steroids which is a REAL PED.
2015-07-23 20:03
RIP No more acne cream for JW RIP DREAMS
2015-07-23 18:28
[*] c9
2015-07-23 18:28
a step in the right direction
2015-07-23 18:29
Time to light a candle for C9 [*]
2015-07-23 18:29
why are people mad about this? its a perfectly reasonable thing to do
2015-07-23 18:31
inb4 VP banned because of pasza
2015-07-23 18:32
RiP pasha
2015-07-23 18:33
you guys troll about c9 but watch closely pasha at all lan events : he is always twitching a lot and act like on drugs
2015-07-23 18:35
he only uses coffeine in pill form at big events. he talked about it on stream and reacted very strongly in a negative way when someone asked if he does adderall. he was like "AMPHETAMINA!? no, you think im crazy??"
2015-07-23 19:53
I guess if you ask any pro racing cyclist they will tell you the same...
2015-07-23 19:58
Roflmao. Yes, sure bro. So comparable.
2015-07-23 20:00
HAHAH c9 fucking druggie jock team freakaroid - roid head you can tell he is in constant state of roid rage although not through aggression n0thing - long time druggie, his body has suffered from abusing addarall and other drugs over the years, you can tell as he stopped growing and even his voice didn't break due to the damage done to his hormones shroud - this guy looks like he is constantly doped up to the point where he barely has energy to speak, look at his pale skin, red eyes, looks like he is taking some amphetamines for sure...I actually feel a little sick when watching him as he reminds me of some friends who look like that when they take drugs skadoodle - has abused so many drugs that he has literally become a brain damaged corpse. Has trouble communicating and now we know why sgares - who cares he's shit anyway past abusers - you can tell swag was also an abuser of the drug as he's pretty much down syndrome thanks bye
2015-07-23 18:36
100% accurate top tier assessment I would buy you hltv gold if it existed
2015-07-23 18:40
@shroud amphetamines don't make you lack energy, what you're describing sounds more like opiate or benzo abuse
2015-07-24 02:31
yes they do actually, after a long time taking amphetamines you end up with 0 energy and he looks like that all the time maybe when he's doing he's 50hr streams
2015-07-24 14:23
#129
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Argentina EnvyJ 
2015-07-23 18:37
C9 literally probably only used it once and all of you are trying to act like this means anything
2015-07-23 18:37
c9 if you are reading this get in touch, i can help you though i still recommend your "prescriptions" even if they aren't as potent as my product.
2015-07-23 18:40
rip c9... :(
2015-07-23 18:41
doesnt make a bit of difference. Players using ritalin or adderall will have their prescriptions ready. But what I find disturbing is that, now all the players on that level can never actually smoke cannabis before their tournament. Coz that shit stays in your blood for 3 weeks at least. Which is very unfair if you get caught. eSports is not like football, where you have to be fit. Look at flamie, flusha or JW. You can be a fat fuck but still perform. Therefore it's highly likely that some players use cannabis to relax. And if you smoked once with your friends 2 weeks prior ESL tournament, you're fucked. I totally disagree with this move.
2015-07-23 18:42
cannabis stays in your blood for 2-7 days even if you smoke regularly, its hair tests that really fuck you with weed.
2015-07-23 18:44
If you use it like some people use cigarettes, it can stay up to 3 weeks. Detectable by urine test. Just depends on how much you use and how your metabolism works. But anyhow, doesnt matter. This drug testing for esports is bullshit
2015-07-23 18:50
Agree completely its not fair. All I know is I smoke every day A LOT and I've passed my fair share of blood based drug tests. But if I haven't smoked weed in a week I'm not going to have the same mindset for sure.
2015-07-23 18:53
What HandBanana said. It's also possible to pass a blood test 24hours after a smoke if you drink a shit load of water.
2015-07-23 18:52
Yeah urine tests are also very fallible because you can just drink tons of water and pass, I think that's why the company I work for switched to blood tests.
2015-07-23 18:56
aehm thats bullshit m8... and if your drink 10tons of water than the doctor would see that in your urine and would say... come later my friend and if not i have to admit that your test is very likley positive
2015-07-23 20:09
never happened with me, of course i stopped smoking for some days too but i drank extra just to be sure
2015-07-23 20:11
Didn't happen to me either when I had bloods and urine taken a few months back. Beasted that shit.
2015-07-23 20:30
#147
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Other Berlenbacher 
RIP Guardian, have you guys seen his eyes during events?:D
2015-07-23 18:43
have you seen chrisJ eyes during events ? :D
2015-07-23 19:31
Rest In Peace Cloud9, nobody will miss you anyway... Now back to T5 again
2015-07-23 18:44
RIP Virtus.pro
2015-07-23 18:45
RIP C9 . Only with drugs they can win . their last performances come as result from drugs. gg RIP C9
2015-07-23 18:46
I see this question raised everywhere. (1) WADA and most testing bodies have therapeutic use exemption (TUE) processes built into the standard. For example (although I don't think this example is WADA sanctioned), in for the past five (?) years in Boxing, MMA, etc. competitors were allowed to take testosterone replacement therapy (i.e., after testing, it was shown they have hormonal imbalance, due to age, the rigours of boxing, etc). TRT is, essentially, legal steroids (vast simplification). So if a person requires any type of amphetamine or marijuana-derived medicines (if you're following specific states). You essentially fill out some paper work, and the governing body will check if it passes its TUE standard. (2) I'm surprised they're doing skin-patch tests. Essentially, the patch looks of metabolites for specific drugs that are left in the sweat. And to be honest, I've only ever seen skin-patch testing used by say probation officers. It's not designed for serious competition. More importantly, in-competition and out-of competition testing need to be clearly defined. To be honest, a piss-test should be the base-line for all testing, not skin.
2015-07-23 18:49
Gotta love these C9 fanboy tears. Good job ESL, show no mercy for these doped goons. C9 confirmed to drop out in ESL qualifiers.
2015-07-23 18:47
But there's no real evidence that they were doped, its just Semphis saying so, + they were doing terrible when they were doped, so its really hard to call on this
2015-07-23 18:58
Beating tsm 16-14 on nuke(tsm best map) and only not going to playoffs cuz of shazam is bad?
2015-07-23 19:26
#312
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Finland Karppanator 
Tsm was shit back then and you know it. The choke was 12-3 to fucking 13-16.
2015-07-23 20:54
Choke nuke Choose one
2015-07-23 21:14
Think about it though, if it was so game breaking to be doped, why didn't they make it farther by having god like aim and focus, even if they had a bot on their team they should have done better at least.
2015-07-23 21:49
It doesnt give you good like aim or some shit it gives you more focus which is in matches going 16-14 pretty important
2015-07-23 22:09
But what if energy drink helps bring home the 16-14 it should still be a questionable win, if something enhances your ability to play
2015-07-23 23:52
What happens when a player has a legitimate need for Adderall with a legitimate prescription? How is it fair that they then are allowed to use it but no one else can? You will see every pro player going to the doctor's office and pretending to have ADD so they can have Adderall and use it during tournaments.
2015-07-23 18:48
pepJ confirmed
2015-07-23 18:51
this can't be enforced. fuck ESL and fuck valve for continuing to partner with a league like them.
2015-07-23 18:56
Lol mad cuz c9 will be bad again?
2015-07-23 19:25
ITT: EU looking for new reason to hate on US since US got good at cs:go
2015-07-23 19:01
got good? you mean 5 people in 1 team out of the millions and millions who play the game?
2015-07-23 19:57
there's that EU salt again just be happy that the competition is more diverse and unpredictable at the moment in 1.6 we had NA SA UK EU ASIANS and more, it made for a better less predictable competitive experience at big events.
2015-07-23 20:06
now what plebs!? I told you fucking forums creatures, why dont you just believe what I tell you.
2015-07-23 19:02
it's just semphis his word, and even if i don't agree on taking medication, its not ganna make you from a top20(if that) team to a top 4 team. + if they took it with semphis they still failed hard.
2015-07-23 19:02
c9 still going to do well, keep hating haters
2015-07-23 19:04
We'll be seeing so many players "underperforming" very soon
2015-07-23 19:07
yep, NiP will start to dominate like 2012 once again.. then u knew how fnatic and others caught NiP's skill advantage
2015-07-23 19:30
wtf? really surprised they are doing this. what if the player has a prescription? are players supposed to bring doctors' notes with them if they are on an adhd medication? How many players are freaking out right now cuz they smoke weed recreationally? This is retarded.
2015-07-23 19:13
weed being considered a PED is just hilarious
2015-07-23 19:15
" At ESL One Cologne, in August, players will be tested for controlled substances "
2015-07-23 21:45
well i guess n0thing can get skadoodle or someone to piss in a can for him
2015-07-24 12:11
so much hate in this thread...
2015-07-23 19:15
There's obviously going to be exceptions for people who legitimately and LEGALLY require/use the drug. I feel for cloud9... If they don't place highly, there's just gonna be kiddies screaming 'OMG C9 SUCK WHEN THEY CAN'T CHEAT'. If you listen to the interview, c9 wernt the only ones using these 'performance enhancing drugs'.
2015-07-23 19:22
the way they handle that in sports is if u need it u have a limit you can use if you go over u get fined
2015-07-23 19:28
next you are going to say that all other countries but UK used it because you never achieved anything in CSGO ?
2015-07-23 19:29
What? How did what I say lead you to think I'd say that? Please, post your retarded responses elsewhere.
2015-07-23 22:22
So, Cloud9 to come back where they belong, and there will be no additional competitor for the first place at tournaments, only TSM and fnatic.
2015-07-23 19:38
This is fucking stupid. Anyways its not like its hard to get a perscription for adderall in the US. Everyone has ADHD here. Cant do anything about it if its perscribed. Dumb ass Semphis. Ruining everything. I always hated that douche not to mention he sux at cs hence why he isnt on c9 anymore. Asshole...
2015-07-23 19:38
Asshole for making competition fair and as it should be. LMAO. American logic is so beyond the comprehension of any intelligent person ever. I guess it's true what they say: That only the dumb and unemployed emigrated from Europe to the states hundreds of years ago, because there was no reason for the educated and intelligent to leave their comfortable lives in the first world for the shithole that was America.
2015-07-23 19:59
smug meter over 9000
2015-07-23 21:46
Murica meter over 999999999999999999999999999999999999999
2015-07-23 21:49
#244
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United Kingdom smoggy:. 
Don't know if this is good or bad.
2015-07-23 19:50
k well then we can all stop smoking weed on lan boys soon its our turn aswell....all jokes aside, we can only take Semphis his word that they were actually on Adderal and we all know Semphis has been a troll kinda person from time to time however this is a step in the right direction to maintain fair sportsmanship.
2015-07-23 19:57
rip c9 :D
2015-07-23 20:00
SOON, eSport gonna be a real sport
2015-07-23 20:04
rip TOP 10 ... there will be great changes ))
2015-07-23 20:06
rip pasha
2015-07-23 20:10
#272
Fox | 
Iran ahmaden 
NEED THORIN TO EXPLAIN THIS TO ME :D jesus crhist , doping in counter-strike ??????????????
2015-07-23 20:10
semphis what a snitch.
2015-07-23 20:10
Its good to see something being done, but it's not really a serious issue
2015-07-23 20:12
#278
f0rest | 
Slovakia Dui 
Almost read as an anti-pedo.
2015-07-23 20:14
GG PRO SCENE
2015-07-23 20:16
Rip Pasza Krimz and c9 [*] Not expected though, but we have to salute the intention.
2015-07-23 20:18
there's no proof that other teams beside c9 doesn't use it too^^
2015-07-23 20:24
I am literally shocked how retarded HLTV is LOL People actually believe Semphis considering he got kicked and after he got kicked his team started winning. People actually think that a drug that improves concentration will help you make plays in a video game NP
2015-07-23 20:28
n1 ESL grandstanding, "never let a good crisis go to waste"
2015-07-23 20:32
#296
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African Union ArisA 
Doesnt nothing have ADHD? how should he be able to play with attention deficits???
2015-07-23 20:34
Sadly, there release a statement before the lan lol :). Hope Cloud9 have some rest on blood to get caught.
2015-07-23 20:35
Most of C9 are prescribed adderal by their doctors. ESL CANT make a person not take their medicine. NT ESL but C9 will continue to take adderal and stomp Euros
2015-07-23 20:41
they just won't be allowed to compete if over certain limit
2015-07-25 02:02
I bet all top teams are on adderals.
2015-07-23 20:58
RIP C9
2015-07-23 21:03
Plot Twist: C9 got good because they stopped taking adderall
2015-07-23 21:07
C9 [*]
2015-07-23 21:26
Well to some people Kory will now be a rat and to some people a very nice guy whose community responce triggered this to happen :) Good!
2015-07-23 21:37
DO YOU REALIZE THE BIGGEST JOKE ABOUT THIS? THAT IS A LEGAL PRESCRIPTION DRUG, YOU CAN'T BAN LEGAL DRUGS! RED BULL BAN INCOMING NEXT?
2015-07-23 21:41
PRO SPORTS BAN DRUGS THAT ARE ILLEGAL! NOT LEGAL ONES! THEY ARE GOING TO GET THEIR ASSES SUED BIG TIME WHEN THEY BAN A GUY WITH A LEGAL PRESCRIPTION WHO HAS ADHD.
2015-07-23 21:42
calm down man.
2015-07-23 21:48
#338
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Austria gex0r 
if they check for cannabis i think at least 30% of pro scene is fucked
2015-07-23 21:55
100% Who the fuck doesn't smoke weed these days?
2015-07-23 22:14
lol semphis the snitch
2015-07-23 22:01
this is beyond retarded. NO ONE will be caught and if any of you think this will change any results you are a complete and total moron. we can't even start events on time or have somewhat professional production, but we are going to do drug testing. absolutely asinine.
2015-07-23 22:12
youtu.be/6vYnas6q3Sg?t=1m13s O.T just went loco right now, semphis...watch your back white boy.
2015-07-23 22:21
Absolutely retarded decision. Not only is ESL generally lacking any sense of professionalism in every department from the software used as 'anti-cheating' detergent to the actual organization of their events, but they now want to limit what players can do with (or to) their bodies. The simple decision for those who used stimulants, beta blockers, benzos or something similar is to switch to RCs - with over 200 functional substitutes (not merely analogues) currently on the market the tests will prove themselves worthless and this whole policy gratuitous.
2015-07-23 22:14
#349
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Denmark LnDcsgo 
Remove taurine & coffeine then. Holy shits ESL = bunch of geeks :D Cant improve your aim. Cant improve your iq. Sorry2say.
2015-07-23 22:30
and what are they going to do about the people who are actually prescribed adderall? not let them compete? or make them not take their prescribed medication. either way this is a stupid scenario.
2015-07-23 22:45
#357
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Ukraine SuperMetal 
RiP C9 07.2015 - 07.2015
2015-07-23 23:01
this semphis...
2015-07-23 23:16
Semphis, so butt hurt. Kid is on the dazed train. Soon to be obsolete because of salt.
2015-07-23 23:17
+1
2015-07-24 06:30
Does this mean I'm not longer allowed to drink horse semen to boost my performance in CS?
2015-07-23 23:23
inb4 no one ever attends another ESL event.
2015-07-23 23:33
No suprise it was an American Team that did Drugs.
2015-07-23 23:46
Thats weird because I remember spawn being brought out on a strecher when he pretty much od'd at a cpl funny he's a swde and not american
2015-07-24 00:52
Do you all realize corey said Aderall was the reason C9 comms sucked when he was playing with them? They probably not using it anymore since they look like theyre doing good...
2015-07-24 00:47
You can definitively tell their using it, its funny cause back then I never realized but now just watching them play on LAN is enough for me, look up the side effects of Adderall go watch some of their LAN games, even Pasha go watch him at LAN recently. Its even worse cause they spend all day drinking energy drinks with that shit in their stomach cant be good for them.
2015-07-24 01:07
Haha for sure it cant be good for their health. even if pasha and freakazoid lift weights and shit. Red bull kills your stomach
2015-07-24 05:43
Glad this is happening. Gonna be fucking hilarious when c9 still does good and you douchebag euros will have nothing to say.
2015-07-24 00:51
Im not sure if this is counter strike anymore. Cheats, scripts and now this on professional scene...
2015-07-24 01:04
#406
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Europe _jUNGLE 
I am pretty sure Adderal and street amphetamines were around the (semi)pro-gaming scene for ages, and not only in CS. Can't say exactly about the very pros, but from my experience it was a usual thing on a local LANs here in Kiev People played clan-wars for real money, people played in a free tournaments for cash/gear, didn't took long for someone familiar with speeds to realize drugs can be used to gain advantage in reaction time/aiming, or improve one's coordination. It's just the way it was, I am pretty sure in other countries the situation was(or is) similar.
2015-07-24 07:48
n0thing actually has ADHD... he needs to take adderall to function normally at these important events... I guess c9's comms are going to go back to shit again, considering that n0thing can't shut the fuck up in matches because of his hyperactive behavior. [*] rip NA
2015-07-24 01:18
rip german/usa scene
2015-07-24 01:30
and sweeden, and poland, and france, and denmark...
2015-07-24 05:02
i think no1 can control online matches so still easy for most of teams
2015-07-24 07:45
people are so stupid. C9 used adderall and was still shit. Just recently the became good. Because now they got the real stuff. Kappa
2015-07-24 02:13
Keepo
2015-07-24 03:25
So what exactly is considered a performance enhancing drug and what´s not? I mean with Cannabis for example it´s more like the other way around as far as I can tell... It would be quiet unfair for those who like to use it even after they have played all of the matches of a day. And I don´t think that they have any plans in banning alcohol, at least after the games...
2015-07-24 02:27
LOL, what a waste of resources but anyways this will prove c9 are still god without add if they're still using it.
2015-07-24 02:30
i havnt seen this argument yet so im just going to throw in my 2 cents. The ruling, though i understand it is self defeating. The place that any player thats abusing adderall will get an advantage from it, is not on the stage at the major where the tests take place. It is at home in between tournaments. Adderall is not going to improve their performance magically on stage when its time to perfor, i take this medication every day i understand how it works. The way that it improved my cs play is because of the amount of practice i put in outside of matches. I never used to DM a lot until i got adderall now i can practice for very long periods of time. Now relate that to pr players improving their gamkes, igl's studying hours apon hours of demos for anti stratting, and learning every players habits in every situation. THIS is where players will get their edge from. TO any player abusing addedrall it will only help them focus 100% and on stage at a major any player without an attention disorder will be focusing 100% anyway so they really gain no edge. Its in the off time that they will improve, learn, and better their play from the effects of adderall. In this way, the only people this rule hurts are the people who actually have attention dissorders, because only they would not be focusing 100% on the stage.
2015-07-24 02:54
#399
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United States admiralsid 
My thing is C9 was still doing horrible even after getting rid of semphis... Why didn't he make these comments when they were losing? Even if he's telling the truth, it simply looks like he's jealous. And no proof to back his claim? Smh. It did spark an ESL investigation though nonetheless. However, I don't believe the entire team is using adderall. If anyone is, it's n0thing and I'm sure he has a prescription for it. And to ban someone for using something they are legally prescribed is just gonna lead to bigger problems. Imo ofc.
2015-07-24 04:42
(#36 best) LOL semphis you absolute tosser
2015-07-24 06:28
lol at this, but other players can still cheat on lan, cause no one cares :DDD easy to bypass that "security"
2015-07-24 08:07
dumb pussies
2015-07-24 08:29
in the esl doctors we trust i.imgur.com/FiCJu1z.jpg
2015-07-24 10:51
RIP Adderal9
2015-07-24 10:59
#416
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Azerbaijan M1R4CL3 
to which came cs:go :D omg c9 please I hope you are clean
2015-07-24 11:09
Test the South Americans, and Eastern Europeans first, I'd definitely start with the Polish.
2015-07-24 11:25
Test them for glue sniffing too.
2015-07-25 15:10
This is great news :)
2015-07-24 14:25
this is so nerdy LOL
2015-07-24 15:59
#428
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Switzerland CHEDEL 
A random PC check is better than just a stupid drug.
2015-07-24 19:14
Wait is Snus also being counted as enchancing drug then? Since if it does a lot of teams will be affected by it
2015-07-24 19:43
Lmao. This goes just beyond the scope of Adderall and is just the tip of the surface. I'm looking forward to seeing the results of this implementation.
2015-07-24 20:29
lmao.
2015-07-24 21:42
Finally NiP will be back on top!
2015-07-25 02:29
And I was actually starting to respect C9...
2015-07-25 15:09
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