ESL release 79-team world ranking

Striker
August 3rd, 2015 17:28

Following the community's disapproval of ESL's decision not to include TSM in the top five for IEM Dubai, the Germany-based company has just released their new full world ranking.

Earlier today ESL announced the $250,000 invitational tournament hosted in Dubai in September. What came as a surprise to most was that TSM was not among the invitees.

It was later on explained on Twitter by ESL Pro Gaming vice-president, Ulrich Schulze, who stressed that ESL have come up with a full-scale world ranking and the invites were handed to the top five teams, as well as the top side from North America, Cloud9.

Despite saying it would come out tomorrow initially, ESL have decided to rush the release following the community's disapproval.

There are 32 LAN competitions included in the ranking, which date all the way back to Gfinity 3 exactly a year ago. Admittedly the points from events decay over a specified period of time to zero after 12 months.

The top ten can be seen below, for the full ranking, including points and recent results, head over to ESL's website:

Team Points
1. Sweden fnatic 8,185
2. Poland Virtus.pro 5,282
3. CIS Natus Vincere  5,255
4. France EnVyUs 4,732
5. Sweden NiP 4,633
6. Denmark TSM 4,352
7. United States Cloud9 3,477
8. France Titan 3,319
9. United States CLG 1,512
10. Denmark dignitas 1,343
Apparently the system in place still has some faults, as in some cases, points were assigned to organizations as opposed to lineups (dignitas and TSM), while in others, points transferred between organizations (e.g. Luminosity and Keyd Stars).
None of the officials have responded to the matter as of yet, even though TSM would seemingly earn a place above NiP had they been assigned some points from their time in dignitas.

Apparently the system in place still has some faults, as in some cases, points were assigned to organizations as opposed to lineups (dignitas and TSM), while in others, points transferred between organizations (e.g. Luminosity and Keyd Stars).

None of the officials have responded to the matter as of yet, even though TSM would seemingly earn a place above NiP had they been assigned some points from their time in dignitas. That would shake up ESL's grounds on the invites for the Dubai event.

There are still a lot of unexplained variables though, so stay tuned to HLTV.org for possible updates in the near future.

woot
2015-08-03 17:28
VP NIP and clg lmao
2015-08-03 17:29
Nip and vp at right place not clg lol
2015-08-03 17:34
ROFL i just died, that joke was insane. VP / NIP is 5/6, how much did you drink today?
2015-08-03 17:35
based from majors, dumbass
2015-08-03 17:40
you're retarded.
2015-08-03 20:17
#705
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Germany Hamsterdam25 
+1 cs isnt Majors only
2015-08-03 22:50
#754
Australia BCP 
can people not read???? this is a ranking based on THE ENTIRE PAST YEAR. this means vp actually have good results to get them points, navi are still below vp and nip are still ok. also it says in the notes, that there was a mistake with tsm that it only started counting from when they became tsm and didnt include results from when they were dignitas which means they would be above nip. people on hltv cant read though, why am i not shocked...
2015-08-04 15:49
#755
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Germany Hamsterdam25 
I wrote this, When the thread wasn't updated yet so please stop fucking raging and calm down
2015-08-04 15:58
#756
Australia BCP 
sorry i wasnt replying to you specifically, i was replying to you because its the highest comment i can reply to, because everyone here seems to be saying the same thing :P
2015-08-04 16:10
so it's just a coincidence that 4 of out the 5 top teams here have won a major/got close to winning ? kk m8
2015-08-05 11:47
Go home and get your own scene, bloody hell wanker.
2015-08-04 01:14
According to statistics 2014/15 VP is top2, sorry mate but thats just stats. Imo this whole "stats counter" works better than HLTV idiots counter.
2015-08-03 17:43
TSM would be higher ranked if they had their points from Dignitas before they swapped org. It isnt fair they are punished for switching org, if they had their points from Dignitas they would be 2nd, and vp close 3rd
2015-08-04 01:15
they have 50% of dignitas points from 3 players: device, dupree and xypnx so its fair
2015-08-04 16:31
i think ur brain can't handle simple stuff
2015-08-03 17:45
Wtf,who is better than vp? navi? tsm? nooo
2015-08-03 17:49
Yes. Navi, TSM, C9 are currently better than VP. At least looking at results from the last 3 months. VP can be a great team but they haven't been playing very well lately.
2015-08-03 17:56
#418
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Georgia aliosha 
from history: vp always played good vs TSM, NAVI AND C9
2015-08-03 18:06
yep, vp seems to almost always beat navi, tsm and c9 and almsot never beat fnatic and nip
2015-08-03 18:35
#433
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Serbia Svipke 
Which part of "in last 12 month period of time" haven't your understood? It's not last 3 months ranking it's last 12 months ranking.
2015-08-03 18:09
I know it is from the last 12 months. Of course it is up to them to decide how they wish to pick the teams. But if they want the best teams right now for the best competition then results from a year ago don't really matter.
2015-08-03 18:35
#465
steel | 
Poland cm[G] 
and that's y c9 is yet to beat vp (only taking 1 map off them) since they changed the line-up and tsm, na'vi matches r 50/50 between them
2015-08-03 18:17
people on hltv are insane retards. how can u say team a is better than team b when team a won almost every match vs team b?
2015-08-03 18:19
So you are saying that TSM is better than Fnatic then?
2015-08-03 18:52
to be honest id put fnatic and tsm on same place
2015-08-03 19:22
#525
NEO | 
World Vidua 
Based on last 3 months: VP vs Na'Vi - 6:1 (plus 2 draws in BO2) VP vs TSM - 3:1 VP vs C9 - 4:0 Source: hltv.org/?pageid=188&statsfilter=5&teami..
2015-08-03 18:32
u just got the "rekt hltv" achievement
2015-08-04 00:36
Swede in denial(except for CLG)
2015-08-03 17:39
dig > clg nip should be behind c9 tsm and maybe titan navi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vp
2015-08-03 17:40
come up with some stats and you'll not be so happy
2015-08-03 17:44
ofc navi > vp thats why vp always rekt them :D
2015-08-03 17:45
Are you really retarded or whats your problem? The rankings are based on results form MAJORS. I guess you forgot that NIP made finals 4 times. And saying NaVi > VP ? Did NaVi win major? Now stop posting your nonsense fanboy.
2015-08-03 17:46
Are you retarded? Where does it say MAJORS? It says TOP TOURNAMENTS. It also says they counted the world rankings based on 32 COMPETITIONS. Has there been 32 MAJORS? No. Stfu you fucking pleb
2015-08-03 17:56
the system is flawed, if you attend a shit ton of events and place 5-8th all the time you will rank over say tsm who attend few events but almost always win/place top 4
2015-08-03 17:56
#384
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Poland raggan 
Actually, no.
2015-08-03 17:58
Have you checked the ranking ? It isn't only about the results from majors. CEVO, FaceIt and ESWC are counting, 400 points for the winner of each one.
2015-08-03 18:02
based on major placings and wins since start of csgo fuckboi
2015-08-03 18:39
Then why is nip not second??
2015-08-04 12:56
TSM > NiP TSM > NV TSM > Virtus Pro TSM > Natus Vincere
2015-08-04 12:30
EFRAG > TSM HR > TSM
2015-08-04 16:34
Efrag>TSM HR>TSM EnVy>TSM
2015-08-08 15:41
titan huehue
2015-08-03 17:36
Vp for the first place!
2015-08-03 19:33
what disapproval? :(
2015-08-03 17:30
rip any hopes of an interesting tournament
2015-08-03 17:30
Sorry to say, but..... this ranking........IS A FUCKING JOKE!!!!!!!!!!
2015-08-03 17:33
its a ranking of well u did for a long time period, 5 months ago u wouldn't even consider TSM to be invited. sucks, TSM is really a top 5 team now u could say NiP earned the spot but TSM deserved it
2015-08-03 17:42
NiP participated in a lot of LAN events and did mediocre. TSM participated in few and did very good in a lot of them. So basically ESL logic for top 5 is play a lot of events, do okay and you are in.
2015-08-03 17:46
Pretty much. You can see that NiP get "points" by just attending the event. They might do shit in all of them but by attending the event they're, according to ESL, higher ranked than TSM. Very weird way of counting world rankings.
2015-08-03 17:59
I did some more research TSM's points from when they were Dignitas did not transfer. So if we completely ignore organisations and just look at the team and make sure the core team is there. So atleast three players remain. Now we know they only swapped one player the past year or so which is Fetish for karrigan. So Device, Dupreeh, Cajunb and Xyp9x are the core team. All the points that are missing do not include Aizy. This link: gyazo.com/d7e4043383d43f5b85d3588dd9996f.. are all the points that didn't transfer from ex-dignitas to new TSM. TSM would have a bit under 5800 points from their performance for the past 12 months.
2015-08-03 18:09
I think it's safe to say there's some adjustments to be made on ESL's part.
2015-08-03 18:12
#447
Sweden BBW 
i really have no idea about the ranking, but NiP have changed rosters too. wasn't it even later on than TSM. so they've played better? Also counting past 12 months is a bit ridicilous. with that huge of a roster change it's fully understandable they don't get the points. Besides, don't actual major WINNERS in the past 12 month get extra points? Never even seen TSM in the finals which again adds to my point. You say they've done better than nip but i never seen them in finals really. Maybe one time in some mediocre lan. Not hating, just saying
2015-08-03 18:13
Just look at the link and what I read. The core team was there, so the points are wrong and ESL are aweful. Removing over 1k points from a team is not acceptable.
2015-08-03 18:22
Theyve won 4 lans this year, so apparently you dont watch any cs. Not hating, just saying
2015-08-03 18:25
#504
Sweden BBW 
4 LANS, Nip won one MAJOR and were in the finals of another MAJOR. That equals the same if not even more to me and most likely on the scoreboard too. Btw i'm gonna stop 90% of this community is retarded right now. Can't believe it. People are really blind It's a ranking. Not fucking yesterdays performance judgement. The only thing ESL did wrong is release not 100% confident and accurate leaderboard. The only thing
2015-08-03 18:28
Dude. If esl had done the logical thing and transfered Tsm's points over when they switched org, they would have been placed above Nip easily. So you trying to defend the ranking, using Nips achievements LAST year, is just laughable >D
2015-08-03 18:45
#569
Sweden BBW 
Okay dude can you stop and be serious for a second. You're again mixing LOGIC and ranking. If ESL says they count wins from past 12 months. no matter if it was 3.8.2015 exactly just barely a year ago, nip still won a fucking major. I'm not defending anything or anyone. Just wondering how people can be this stupid
2015-08-03 18:47
Wow. Are you really being serious? I understand they have a year-long timeperiod for their ranking system, but you dont seem to understand that this apparently does not include TSM/DIGs points in the fall of 2014.
2015-08-03 19:12
#603
Sweden BBW 
different roster maybe? i dont know.
2015-08-03 19:14
No because you obviously dont follow the scene. So why are you even here arguing with the people, when you dont have a clue? Not hating, just saying
2015-08-03 19:22
#617
Sweden BBW 
didnt you know they changed 2 players? rip for you
2015-08-03 19:26
3 players are the same, so the core is still there. rip your logic
2015-08-04 18:05
#762
Sweden BBW 
get over yesterday
2015-08-04 18:11
#436
Sweden BBW 
well it's more likely you perform better if you attend fewer lans than you just go to every lan and "suck" even though nip always sucks before major TSM are a good team, but if they did better in their events they'd be there. No sympathy points given here. TSM even losing to some low tier teams in the latest event, (and tier 1 teams in their previous events, imo nip and tsm have performed the same in all the events, both didn't make it to finals so who cares)
2015-08-03 18:10
mad tsm fan :D:D:D
2015-08-03 17:43
CLG on 9 xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2015-08-03 17:41
#224
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Belarus f1nesse 
Na'Vi 3? omg
2015-08-03 17:41
hahahahahah xDDD VP 2nd LEGIT 6/5 xDDD
2015-08-03 17:57
This ranking is based on FUCKING STATS.And statistics are speaking for themselves that VP is in top3.ESL as organization can't do rankings based on their own opinions.
2015-08-03 19:48
horrific
2015-08-03 17:28
joke
2015-08-03 17:28
#694
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Finland SLOTHEYY 
nerdrage top 38 and joelzi top 215 Kreygasm
2015-08-03 21:52
#5
United Kingdom kESKY 
LOL
2015-08-03 17:28
nice
2015-08-03 17:28
what a fucking joke
2015-08-03 17:28
an interesting part is: JW is ranked #1 world player.
2015-08-03 18:07
hahahahah oh my god hahahahaha
2015-08-03 17:28
#9
United Kingdom Alth 
hahahahahaha They seriously need to hire somebody who has a clue about CS ASAP. This is beyond hilarious.
2015-08-03 17:29
lol
2015-08-03 17:28
LOL WTF RANK
2015-08-03 17:28
Lol wtf wheres www.skinsvault.com
2015-08-03 21:48
ESL Broken Confirmed.
2015-08-03 17:28
n1
2015-08-03 17:28
#14
Sweden kMh- 
dAt joke!
2015-08-03 17:28
Envy <3 tsm rekterino
2015-08-03 17:29
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
2015-08-03 17:29
Virtus pro hahaha
2015-08-03 17:29
nip hahaha
2015-08-03 20:38
#18
Iraq mohh 
CLG TOP 9????????????????????????????????????????? HELLO????????????????????????
2015-08-03 17:29
confirmed by ESL
2015-08-03 17:41
#350
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Chile Cristoff 
stats dont lie :(
2015-08-03 17:54
They do because it's always depending on how you read the stats. Never trust a Statistic you didn't fake yourself!
2015-08-03 18:01
omfg his answer enfuriates me so much "You are more than welcome to look at the rankings and scoring method and let us know your feedback." wtf is wrong with you, we aren't going to investigate and get to better parameters for your rankings, that's your job. It's just plain clear for someone who isn't a complete retard and follows the scene that the top10 is totally stupid
2015-08-03 17:34
hahahah can't wait till thoorin gets a hand on these
2015-08-03 17:36
look at all the fucking plebs tweeting at him "I like your team, Rene, but this is so immature." "insulting....when has that ever helped? so mature.." you fucking morons, ridicule is the best thing to do against plebs like this, because then they learn that they just have to SHUT UP and let people with IQ > 100 do their job
2015-08-03 17:43
Ridicule isn't the best way to solve problems no. Cajunb is making himself look like a little kid. There is clearly something wrong with the rankings. Probably TSMs wins while playing as dignitas not being counted. So ESL made a mistake. You can bring that up and help them fix it without looking like an asshole.
2015-08-03 18:00
no, i wholeheartedly disagree. ridicule is the best against retarded ideas. i'm not too polite to tell them how stupid it is. i'm not going to sugarcoat it in order to not hurt their feelings. they can be hurt or not, i really don't care. youtube.com/watch?v=uPqqp8KVuQU
2015-08-04 16:19
what exactly did cajun write? he deletet that tweet.
2015-08-05 12:44
something like "this is fucking stupid"
2015-08-06 20:23
He's mad noob.
2015-08-03 17:35
he's right, how can they count points by orgs not line-ups... wtf
2015-08-03 17:40
I noticed that too, i saw the new LG lineup with the points of the old one.
2015-08-03 18:04
#461
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Portugal dracø 
and keyD(now without a roster) is #19 xD Top quality stuff
2015-08-03 18:16
RiP TSM thats unfair that theyre using old ratings :/
2015-08-03 17:29
#650
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Europe Dan Zero 
not old ratings, new ratings. tsm has got their dignitas points removed....
2015-08-03 19:57
#21
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Norway SiCKO- 
Didn't know LGB got to be the 25th best team in the world with the help of two female players
2015-08-03 17:29
CLG top9 confirmed lmfao
2015-08-03 17:29
n1
2015-08-03 17:29
clg top 10 easy hahahaha
2015-08-03 17:29
LOL TSM TOP 6 HOW DOES IT FEEL SALTY DANISH KIDS
2015-08-03 17:29
2015-08-03 17:30
esl stupid as always
2015-08-03 17:29
ESL biggest fraud in the scene.
2015-08-03 17:29
haha this ranking blows massive dick
2015-08-03 17:29
NiP > TSM
2015-08-03 17:29
#32
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Finland Fherrera 
HAHA
2015-08-03 17:29
Worse ranking than the one Top Ranking does lmao
2015-08-03 17:29
So TSM gets no invite? what a fucking joke
2015-08-03 17:29
How is NiP Better than TSM? WTFFFF
2015-08-03 17:29
#38
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Norway M0LTEN 
TSM on 6th? hahaha
2015-08-03 17:29
HAHAHA WHAT A FUCKING JOKE
2015-08-03 17:29
#40
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Poland Kub4w 
lmao, they're so cluesless LOL
2015-08-03 17:29
CLG loooool
2015-08-03 17:29
wwwwwwteeeeef!!!
2015-08-03 17:29
JAYSUS VP??? 2nd???? OMG 16-0 no chance
2015-08-03 17:29
what does it prove ? 5-6, 9-12 positions ?
2015-08-03 18:08
still beterr pinguin no title
2015-08-03 17:38
#44
Switzerland ccJJ 
9. CLG ay lmao
2015-08-03 17:29
lol ESL cannot be serious
2015-08-03 17:29
that's a fucking joke. ggwp esl
2015-08-03 17:29
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhaHahhahaHH VP OVER TSM???????????? NIP OVER TSM????????
2015-08-03 17:29
#367
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Poland raggan 
TSM just losing against some Hungarians, but still top3 in some ppls minds...
2015-08-03 17:56
bulgarians you educated polak and also won more events than virtus pro for an year so enjoy
2015-08-03 18:18
#509
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Poland raggan 
educated german dont into english? Doesn't matter, VP still better than TSM - sad truth for delusional fanbois.
2015-08-03 18:27
Stopped reading at doesnt matter because you just accepted the truth that tsm is better than vp
2015-08-03 18:35
#556
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Poland raggan 
Also lack of reading skills... Typical german idiot.
2015-08-03 18:40
Called me an idiot Doesnt know the difference between bulgaria's and hungary's flag 10/10 poloah logic
2015-08-03 18:45
Yes, and that's why TSM almost always lose against VP.Statistics are clear.
2015-08-03 19:52
16-0
2015-08-03 19:01
VP dif 16x2 against TSM @ nuke Never forget.
2015-08-03 19:45
ahahaha
2015-08-03 17:29
swap TSM and VP and you have something that makes some sense
2015-08-03 17:29
worse than when hltv users make their own fantasy top 10's up
2015-08-03 17:30
Worse ranking than trolls on hltv do
2015-08-03 17:30
True haha
2015-08-03 18:51
Arsenal be like: nV u are in my place
2015-08-03 17:30
WTF NIP IS 6 ? NIP IS TOP3 4SHO
2015-08-03 17:30
#54
roman | 
Palestine ndr[o] 
NiP over TSM???? what in the hell
2015-08-03 17:30
#56
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Switzerland coolstorybro 
wtf is this bullshit xD nip is definitely below tsm and wtf is clg doin there xD
2015-08-03 17:30
VP top 2 ahaha. Quantity =/= quality.
2015-08-03 17:30
this ranking is a joke 29-cph wolves 30-3dmax 31-ibp XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2015-08-03 17:30
Nice ranking But the kiddos from hltv forums would make it better for sure
2015-08-03 17:30
yup, watch me do it fnatic tsm NaVi Vp Cloud9 (Envy) NiP dignitas/mouz/etcetcetc irrelevant after this since its only top5 eu top1Na
2015-08-03 17:32
Baited
2015-08-03 17:34
1.Fnatic 2.TSM/VP 3.VP/TSM 4.Navi
2015-08-03 17:36
nt polish fang*y
2015-08-03 18:15
No, vp is 4th
2015-08-03 18:19
No, vp is 2nd, and mouz isnt top20.
2015-08-03 18:44
#64
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Vietnam yolesnoobs 
I'm a NiP fan but what the shit
2015-08-03 17:30
#65
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Italy Sh0WN 
the rankin is right
2015-08-03 17:30
#67
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Poland FBDfx 
VP 2nd hahahah
2015-08-03 17:31
ESL is the biggest esport org and has been in the game since years but they still manage to fuck up shit so hard, it's unbelievable. Dignitas has TSM's old standings and nobody noticed...Good job.
2015-08-03 17:31
not like TSM is the 2nd best team in the world lmao. Nice one ESL
2015-08-03 17:31
The fact that the ranking goes back 12 months and that the points earned belongs to the organization and not the players is the biggest joke in a ranking I have ever seen.
2015-08-03 17:31
#208
roman | 
Palestine ndr[o] 
indeed, thats fucking ridiculous... it's the players who made the scoring not the org... so pathetic
2015-08-03 17:40
Completely.. Imagine fnatic releasing their team and picking up 5 nonamers - no problem, the 5 nonamers still get to go to Dubai.
2015-08-03 17:43
Well technically its 20% to each attending player of a team.
2015-08-03 18:03
The organization receives 100% of the points earned, but because of decay the points the organization received from the players will slowly be removed, just as a player loses his points. But I am still convinced that only the players should receive the points, as it will be a very skewed ranking, should a top organization change its players.
2015-08-03 18:13
#72
Xyp9x | 
Denmark DFTBA 
JOKE
2015-08-03 17:31
#73
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United Kingdom DuckMoriarty 
*Continues to laugh hysterically*
2015-08-03 17:31
stop laughing and think for a moment how absurd this is
2015-08-03 17:34
'stops laughing' 'thinks about how absurd it is' 'continues laughing'
2015-08-03 17:38
xD what
2015-08-03 17:31
#75
Friis | 
Denmark baitzera 
I think the explanation is here: ESL didn't transfer the points to TSM, that they earned when they were called Dignitas. Again ESL shows their incompetence!
2015-08-03 17:31
#76
device | 
France lulu412 
CLG LMAO
2015-08-03 17:31
its only esl events ranking ?
2015-08-03 17:31
VP 2ND LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
2015-08-03 17:31
You're retarded if you think VP is better than TSM and NaVi
2015-08-03 17:36
looks h too h tsm an navi funkicng fanboys
2015-08-03 17:39
of course they are better than navi and tsm. they are better team overall than navi, and they are better in head-to-head matches vs TSM, but tsm had better results since few months
2015-08-03 17:50
I'm not a VP fanboy but looking on matches VP vs TSM is like 50/50 mostly like TSM win against them but Na`Vi? they got 11:3 lose strike to VP so what's the point to placing Na`Vi over VP?
2015-08-03 18:16
Because it is not about individual statlines, but about winning tournaments and finishing higher - NaVi has done better than VP overall and therefore should be placed higher no matter their internal fights.
2015-08-03 19:19
Okey your point is true, but where did Na`Vi done better overall, they have similar results, but vp was manage to dominate Na`Vi in head-to-head for a while, so I would put VP over Na`Vi and TSM over VP or on the same place, becouse TSM came to their level few months ago, earlier they were just fine IMO.
2015-08-03 20:13
well TSM has been top4 since this time last year. They had a small fallout for a few events before they changed from fetish to karrigan, but nothing that kept them out of a top5 due to other teams being equally unstable. Why I want NaVi above VP? Because they recently have been better. NaVi has two LAN victories within the last two months and another three 2nd places. In that time VP has just one victory and zero 2nd places (as far as I remember). VP looked better at their last event and pasha did finally awake from his low performances, but despite beating NaVi, C9 and so on in their internal matches, it hasn't brought much gold, silver or bronze home other than that 1 victory, while NaVi has done the opposite.
2015-08-03 20:35
#554
NEO | 
World Vidua 
Based on last 3 months: VP vs Na'Vi - 6:1 (plus 2 draws in BO2) VP vs TSM - 3:1 VP vs C9 - 4:0 Source: hltv.org/?pageid=188&statsfilter=5&teami..
2015-08-03 18:39
those games wasnt at major as well, so it doesnt matter dude
2015-08-03 19:00
So when Vp lose on majors vs TSm? vs c9? vs Navi? If i good remember only fnatic/Nip/Envy won match vs vp in major so you argument is valid
2015-08-03 19:23
#79
Russia MGM1 
eBeetle 63?
2015-08-03 17:31
#138
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Sweden rblg 
expected
2015-08-03 17:35
professional esport booooooooooooooys
2015-08-03 17:31
L M A O U guys must be idiots - cajunb
2015-08-03 17:31
DIGNITAS HAS TSM points lol
2015-08-03 17:31
nip > tsm hahahahhahah
2015-08-03 17:32
#86
GuardiaN | 
Sweden kvNr 
haha nip before TSM & C9?
2015-08-03 17:32
#87
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
So NiP are only top5 because of their results in the beginning of CSGO? because they've only got shit placings in 2015... This list is so inaccurate xd
2015-08-03 17:32
last 12 months. so no 2013 results
2015-08-04 11:11
Wow that ranking is so shit. Someone without any clue created it. Adding dead teams, wrong lineups and VP #2 (xD). ESL hire me I'm gonna create an 100% accurate ranking.
2015-08-03 17:32
patetic ranking lololol
2015-08-03 17:32
#92
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Finland teemadej 
BMG & Area51 > eBettle confirmed!
2015-08-03 17:32
expected these rankins dont include this year only you retards
2015-08-03 17:32
#68 Look at it, I can only agree. Good job ESL.
2015-08-03 17:32
#97
Germany JBLW 
Invitational are the top 5 EU and the top NA team Why not ? Invitational are the top 4 EU and THE TOP DEMMARK TEAM and the top NA team
2015-08-03 17:33
Invitational are the top 5 EU and the top NA team Why not ? Invitational are the top 4 EU and THE TOP GERMANY TEAM and the top NA team
2015-08-03 17:34
2015-08-03 17:33
dat haterinio because VP 2 hahaha.. cry cry fanboys :D
2015-08-03 17:33
CLG tho lol ?
2015-08-03 17:33
hahahaha esl what a joke
2015-08-03 17:33
VP second place. What ? CLG, Dignitas ? ESL trolling.
2015-08-03 17:34
Nope this ranking is wayyyy off
2015-08-03 17:33
NiP > TSM =)
2015-08-03 17:33
HAHAHAAHA ESL trolling
2015-08-03 17:33
and someone probably gets money for making this autistic ranking...
2015-08-03 17:33
best world ranking i ever seen LOL, go home you are drunk -_-
2015-08-03 17:34
How can you even rank two French teams who haven't played any meaningful matches with their new lineups? lmao
2015-08-03 17:34
#115
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Uzbekistan Malodobra 
2. VP 3. Navi 4. nV HAHAHAHAHAHA RLY ?
2015-08-03 17:34
How dafuq are nip above tsm? fucking fanboys...even nip if they were honest they would give the spot to them
2015-08-03 17:34
#151
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Sweden rblg 
Stop hating NiP. I don't think it's about being fanboys, read the other replys, the ranking system is flawed in itself.
2015-08-03 17:36
ayyyy what a joke
2015-08-03 17:34
I'm so done.
2015-08-03 17:34
hahahah this guys so mad :D
2015-08-03 17:34
TSM didn't get their points from when they were at dignitas. Pretty major flaw to give points to an org that doesn't still have the same team..
2015-08-03 17:34
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL no way VP is #2
2015-08-03 17:34
tsm > envyus navi nip WTF IS THIS RANKING?
2015-08-03 17:34
NiP #5, VP #2, CLG even in top 10 lmaoooooo
2015-08-03 17:34
dignitas 10th ? now look how they scored points ... esl is corrupt
2015-08-03 17:34
NO WAY :)
2015-08-03 17:36
how drunk was the creator of this list good lord this is not a 'world ranking' it's a total achievements in the last year list, 8 months of which are totally irrelevant
2015-08-03 17:38
#133
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Ukraine petruska 
ahahahahah TSM < VP and NiP xddddd
2015-08-03 17:35
#135
Ukraine bia 
Ranking is correct. The problem of TSM is that they missed to many championships and therefore don't have enough points. Who knows which places they have if they attend all the events like other teams. Probably they will be tired and lose more matches. P.S. Acer have shown the real power of TSM now, isn't it?
2015-08-03 17:38
No, the problem is they changed from Dignitas to TSM. Because in ESL's logic, org is more important than the lineup, when talking about skill :D
2015-08-03 17:44
#314
Ukraine bia 
I got it. But what else they can do? Ranking based on the points is the best ranking. Probably ESL have to consider only championships happened in the last 3,4,5,6 months, that's will be honest. Because nobody cares who won something last year.
2015-08-03 17:50
That's not the problem here. The problem is, the now dignitas with Pimp etc. have gotten the points from the tournaments the now TSM team won when they had Dignitas as org.
2015-08-03 18:03
It says right there that they are considering LANs dating back to this time last year...
2015-08-03 18:13
The best way would be to appoint the points to the individual player, not an org and not a team - then they would also avert if there would arise any trouble with lineup changes like the french mixes.
2015-08-03 19:24
madkids, this shows great how irrelevant was TSM(dignitas) back then, suddenly winning some small lans wont make you top2 immediately
2015-08-03 17:35
They were in the semis at Cologne last year.
2015-08-03 17:50
one of only 3 teams to make it out of groups every single major. And they were known for always reaching semis but nothing more. They have been top 4 for the longest time now...
2015-08-03 18:14
while they only reached "always" top4-8, other teams actually won events, majors..
2015-08-04 07:40
Why is that important? My point still stands that they have long been a top 4 team. So you calling them "irrelevant" is just totally wrong.
2015-08-04 13:42
#139
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Norway billson 
This is joke right?
2015-08-03 17:35
#140
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Finland Emvi 
THEY GIFT THE POINTS TO ORGANIZATIONS NOT TEAMS?? All the work TSM's roster put in as Dignitas is for fucking nothing, because the "points" went to Dignitas org, not them. ESL has to be joking
2015-08-03 17:35
#164
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Sweden rblg 
+1
2015-08-03 17:37
#706
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Germany Hamsterdam25 
Are you new to Cs? It's not the Players that win Tournaments, it's the Orgs accomplishment so they have to be rewarded for that Kappa
2015-08-03 22:53
#141
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United States Comp1ex 
Jesus, the lack of the number of TSM attending is really biting poor TSM in the ass.
2015-08-03 17:35
Hhahaha Cry more TSM Fankids
2015-08-03 17:36
CLG 9 ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOO
2015-08-03 17:36
vp 2nd lmao esl doesn't know shit about cs
2015-08-03 17:36
#148
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Poland Mimaaacz 
NiP, VP, EnVy > TSM? CLG > dignitas, mouz, HR, F3 or even E-Frag? LOL HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA FU ESL
2015-08-03 17:36
just take top 8 omg lmao with double elemination bracket is way better
2015-08-03 17:36
Same shit like FIFA Nations Rank...
2015-08-03 17:37
lol elevate are 21 just after them theres, kinguin sk lgb renegades IBP are ranked 31 we can say the guys who made the ranking have no clue of cs scene since ibp is dead for like 10 month
2015-08-03 17:36
2. Virtus.pro xdddd
2015-08-03 17:36
TSMad
2015-08-03 17:36
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2015-08-03 17:36
So if fnatic left the organisation and joined something else. Fnatic could take 5 people who never touched a computer, and they would join in on the event? Solid system.
2015-08-03 17:37
LMAO
2015-08-03 17:37
#162
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Europe Deus Bellum 
where is me n my mates? out mix is global in mm
2015-08-03 17:37
It's ESL ranking based on ESL events morons. Calm down. Your precious TSM got busted out in groups at ESL ESEA and 2x in quarters at majors. While NiP was in every major final.
2015-08-03 17:37
You are the moron. They get point from other events than just ESL... Are you too stupid to understand that?
2015-08-03 17:42
But esl events are more valuable when it gets to the points? fnatic got +1000 for winning ESL ESEA Pro League it's like FIFA ranking, major tournaments - more points that's why in fifa ranking Argentina is 1st and Germany 2nd also Belgium 3rd and Colombia 4th
2015-08-03 17:45
No?
2015-08-03 17:45
haha yes
2015-08-03 17:49
he is correct
2015-08-03 18:37
Yes, there are 3 tiers of tournaments, including none ESL ones. You said: It's ESL ranking based on ESL events morons. So you were wrong.
2015-08-03 17:51
read again "But esl events are more valuable when it gets to the points?" that's why fnatic have 8k point, NiP is at 5th and TSM at 6th because TSM in last 3 majors (I'm counting ESL ESEA as a major because it's worth as much as valve major) were utter shit - 7-8 ESL ESEA, 7-8 ESL Katowice, 7-8 DHW
2015-08-03 17:55
That was in your second post... im not arguing about that. And it is not that ESL events are more valuable by default. Tournaments are ranked in tiers. Jesus you are stupid.
2015-08-03 17:55
then tell me why fnatic got +1000pts for ESL ESEA and TSM got +400pts for FACEIT while they're both tier1?
2015-08-03 17:58
Haha are you seriously that stupid? ESL ESEA is "tier Grand" and gives 1000p for 1. place. FACEIT is "tier 1" and gives 400p for 1. place Learn to read before you call others morons please.
2015-08-03 18:00
my bad, didn't see it's tier grand well, it's just made my point this ranking is esl events based that's why TSM is on 6th place
2015-08-03 18:31
Wrong, TSM is in 6th because they don't have their points transfered from their time in Dignitas. Had all the teams their points instead of the org it would be. 1. fnatic 2. EnVyUS 3. VP 4. NaVi 5. TSM 6. NiP It should also be the same list if the individual players earned the points. Either ESL are stupid to move some points, but not all, but the most likely explanation is that they wanted NiP to still be part of the top 5, because CS wise they are a bigger brand than TSM and that is the reason for this manipulative way of dividing the points.
2015-08-03 19:35
just stop lol
2015-08-03 18:18
okay so it's tier grand, still I was right saying that this ranking is ESL events based.
2015-08-03 18:33
just stop lol
2015-08-03 18:35
you just acknowledged that other tournaments that had nothing to do with ESL we're included, so how have you now come to think that it "is ESL events based". You're last reply could be rewritten as "okay, I was wrong, but I was still right" get some fresh air or something...
2015-08-03 18:38
Holy shit you are retarded.
2015-08-03 18:09
I've just desribed the system of that esl ranking but you're too dumb to understand that.
2015-08-03 18:30
Correction, you tried to explain it and you failed horribly. But you are too much of a pussy to admit it, so here you are arguing with everyone.
2015-08-03 18:53
#ggE$L
2015-08-03 17:37
hahahahahahahahahahaha!! so funny. Now Seriously, can we get the real rankings?!
2015-08-03 17:37
25 LGB Polly RUBINO jkaem L.K.S. aurora ahaha wtf
2015-08-03 17:37
Hahaha WTF? So many mistakes in this ranking. This is so embarrassing for ESL.
2015-08-03 17:39
Hahahaha
2015-08-03 17:46
Even Thorin's rankings are better? How can ESL be this incompetent?
2015-08-03 17:37
n1
2015-08-03 17:37
that b8 from esl is too stronk
2015-08-03 17:37
They cannot be serious about this ranking system... By giving the org the points you have IBP as 31, CPHW as 29 just two spots below Gplay (E-frag whos roster they haven't mangaged to update as e.g. Titan, EnvyUS, Luminosity Gaming). I would be fucking ashamed of myself if I had anything to do with that system because if you think that it is a good system you need to get an appointment with a doctor asap. Also no offense go CLG, but 9th if that doesn't scream to high heaven then I don't know what does. Sophisticated - more like half-arsed with useless and outdated metrics.
2015-08-03 17:47
rooster :D But I agree this ranking system is ridiculous.
2015-08-03 17:39
HEUHEUHEHUHE
2015-08-03 17:38
how can VP NIP and NaVi be in front of TSM ? In this year nip,vp and navy what tourney they win ? wtf
2015-08-03 17:38
do you even try to read the ranking on esl site ?? first try to read it , think abaut it and tell me what is wrong with this ranking eslgaming.com/worldranking/csgo#/
2015-08-03 17:42
#176
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Poland Adis42 
Points gained in Dignitas have not been allocated for TSM!
2015-08-03 17:38
lol retards why the fuck are you like ''shit ranking'' etc. They left out TSM because other organizations will give more income, probably. So they created this shitty ranking and found a fast excuse for the community why TSM isn't going to Dubai. It's all about the money, lol.
2015-08-03 17:38
stop cry kids XD
2015-08-03 17:38
You can't call a ranking system where TSM is not top 5 "sophisticated". Can anyone fucking dethrone ESL? Their monopoly on EU CS is getting retarded.
2015-08-03 17:38
+1 #GfinityOverESLAndBasicallyAnyOtherOrgToo
2015-08-03 17:39
+1 ESL proves again and again that they are only good at getting the money but keep showing how clueless they are about CS GO. Bad CS GO casters. Keep having BO1 formats despite everyones objection And now this ranking system that clearly shows how incompetent they are. Anyone with half a brain could come up with something that would give a much better reflection of the actual strenghts of teams. I hope someone would run them out of business. They will surely never get a penny from me.
2015-08-03 17:47
Don't even get me started on their casters. I wonder if they combine over 100 hours playing the actual game. I doubt it tbh. ESL casters are clueless.
2015-08-03 18:36
They clearly haven't hired people who have a love for the game, just money-grabbing businessmen.
2015-08-03 17:56
clg 9th LOL RIGGED :D :D
2015-08-03 17:38
Makes no sense because the number of tournament played by a team isn't taken care of. If I win 2000 very small lans i get a +5 pts everytime, i might end up rank 1
2015-08-03 17:39
The orgs get all the points for former squad performances, hence Dignitas has points that TSM should have, same for LDLC and NV
2015-08-03 17:39
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2015-08-03 17:39
nip-envyus over TSM? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA w0t m8s
2015-08-03 17:39
ESL ranking (what is actually 95% legit) dont match with the rankings of HLTV pro analytics = fuck esl they are stupid.
2015-08-03 17:39
Bad ranking. He was better if: 1) Fnatic 2) TSM 3) VP 4) NaVi 5) Cloud9 6) EnvyUS 7) NiP 8) mousesports 9) Titan 10) CLG/Dignitas
2015-08-03 17:39
#250
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Poland dreamShow 
Titan 9? More like HR 9.
2015-08-03 17:43
HR? He lose all tournaments except the last.
2015-08-03 17:44
#333
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Poland dreamShow 
So what Titan won?
2015-08-03 17:52
axaxaxaxax dat ranking
2015-08-03 17:39
GJ Nostalgie!
2015-08-03 17:39
Hmmmm ahhahahahhahah :DDDD
2015-08-03 18:13
O V E R D R I V E B O Y S
2015-08-03 18:28
CLG won 2 BO1 ( 1 against keyd) and becomes top 9. This ranking system is so good.
2015-08-03 17:39
how envyus is invited but not tsm? lmao.
2015-08-03 17:39
TSM is top1 :)
2015-08-03 17:40
CLG 9 HAHAHHAHA
2015-08-03 17:40
ayy lmao
2015-08-03 17:40
HAHA REAL TOP 5 IS CONFIRMED. WHERE ARE VP HATERS NOW?
2015-08-03 17:40
Here,vp should be top 3. TSM deserves top 2,and navi 4th
2015-08-03 17:43
Yeah that ranking is truly right! Teams on the right places! sound like KAAPPAAA DAUNY MAT EBAL MESJA EBAQMNOE AHAHAHA
2015-08-03 17:40
sort by country - estonia and singapoure - no poland :D
2015-08-03 17:40
wtf no eBettle what a shity ranking im pretty sure they are at least top 30
2015-08-03 17:40
#216
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Switzerland coolstorybro 
vp 2nd wow this shit must be a joke for real
2015-08-03 17:40
#217
Xyp9x | 
Denmark STATiC^ 
I hope ESL is going to get the biggest shiit storm ever. With that fuck'up they rly deserve it. Damn i'm salty.
2015-08-03 17:40
They forgot a Kappa after listing the rankings
2015-08-03 17:41
As with others, why the hell does team dignitas get the points that were earned by the now TSM squad? The rankings seem to be based on organization more so than the team itself. Renegades doesn't have credit for their prior tournaments before moving org, TSM points go to dignitas from that timeframe, keyd stars isn't even on the map anymore, yet they are ranked as well. Love that the same team is listed twice in the top 20. I usually try not to flame top X lists, but this is poorly put together. You can do better ESL.
2015-08-03 17:41
Shittiest ranking system ever. How is Titan even top 10 anymore?
2015-08-03 17:41
Maybe if cloud9 beats envyus in 10 more bo3's they'll be ranked higher. I feel bad for tsm what a joke.
2015-08-03 17:42
Same with mouz they beat c9 the last times but arent ranked higher.
2015-08-03 17:48
1 time with the current lineup rofl
2015-08-03 19:29
#654
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Germany PhoenixD!!! 
and? mouz rekt them
2015-08-03 20:04
#223
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Russia Reph 
Na'Vi top 3 HYPE
2015-08-03 17:41
on the players list, they placed JKS on spot 99... wtf
2015-08-03 17:41
#230
BOOBIE | 
United States lybrel 
IBP #31 HYPE!
2015-08-03 17:42
lol @ NIP top5
2015-08-03 17:42
CLG top 10? lmao :D
2015-08-03 17:42
VP #2 LOL
2015-08-03 17:42
get rekt TSM noobs GET_RIGHT wins again ahahaha 2g get ready thorin
2015-08-03 17:42
Lmao, tsm top6 and gplay/efrag 27 ?XDDDDDDDD This team can beat anyone from top8+
2015-08-03 17:43
gplay/efrag shouldnt even be listed there with esl bans.
2015-08-03 17:44
:v
2015-08-03 17:49
they don't have any ESL bans? you moron
2015-08-03 18:20
#327
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Jordan Al-Mufleh 
if they won once it doesn't mean that they are better
2015-08-03 17:51
Then why are c9 considered top10
2015-08-03 19:35
#730
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Jordan Al-Mufleh 
C9 beats Fnatic, Na'Vi, Kinguin and EnVyUS and they made there way to the top and finishing 2nd
2015-08-04 02:44
So, GPlay beat TSM, dignitas, envy, hellraisers, lost by 2 rounds 2 times vs na'vi, but who cares they are 27th, best ranking
2015-08-04 18:20
#764
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Jordan Al-Mufleh 
HR, Dignitas not Top 5 teams lost to navi by 2 rounds well, losing is losing
2015-08-04 20:55
#244
JORDAN | 
Jordan LBJ 
TSM should be on 5 place instead of NIP. But CLG on 9 place? Please top joking.
2015-08-03 17:43
Guys please read... is ''ESL RANKING'' so they calculate only esl succes
2015-08-03 17:43
#269
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Poland gjt1337 
+1 VP is on major is always in Semifinals
2015-08-03 17:45
People need to use brain... i repeat for all they calculate this list after all result in ESL not in other league so it's ESL RANKING
2015-08-03 17:50
if that were the case nip should be higher , they have been first/second in all their majors.
2015-08-04 00:57
lets just assume esl dont know a shit about power ranking, they ranked dead team (banned) higher than active team
2015-08-03 17:43
#253
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Poland gjt1337 
VP ON 2ND POSITION :D NICE FINALLY SOMEBODY AGREE WITH ME!
2015-08-03 17:44
#254
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Hungary raffai 
AHAHAHHAAHHAHAAHAHHAAHAHHA wtf, TSM way better than NiP now. Virtus top2? Oh my god :D And we don't see the new envy performing, so I don't know why they put them to the 4th place. This list is a fucking joke :D
2015-08-03 17:44
??? vp always beats navi and tsm
2015-08-03 17:46
do you even try to read the ranking on esl site ?? first try to read it , think abaut it and tell me what is wrong with this ranking eslgaming.com/worldranking/csgo#/ you have there all tournamenst from last 12 months and points for this . if you tell me how esl can make this ranking beter you will be huge :D
2015-08-03 17:46
#452
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Hungary raffai 
Only polaks answer me, hmm, what a surprise, kappa.
2015-08-03 18:14
good answer , nice arguments man :) kappa
2015-08-03 18:15
aha :D
2015-08-03 18:24
CLG top 10 ? jesus christ, ESL responds to accusations of being clueless about CS with an exposé of how much more clueless they are about CS this is shameful
2015-08-03 17:44
omg kids its ESL ranking not all tournaments...cl_brain 1
2015-08-03 17:44
VP top2 like really omfg :D
2015-08-03 17:44
TSM 6? ahahahhaahha esl pls
2015-08-03 17:44
So basically a team gets totally screwed if they change their organsiation (TSM in this particular case...)
2015-08-03 17:45
goddawful expected from esl
2015-08-03 17:45
1.fnatic 2. VP 3.TSM 4.Navi 5.Envy
2015-08-03 17:45
VP top 2 XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2015-08-03 17:45
#383
Poland n1u 
Actually why not? Who are higher than VP (except Fnatic) right now? They beat Na'Vi, C9 and TSM any time, random matches only with NiP and NV.
2015-08-03 17:58
yes because being able to beat a TSM has a lot more leverage than TSM's 4 LAN victories in the last few months...
2015-08-03 18:25
When you're polish it does... they are trying to redefine logic.
2015-08-03 19:50
ekhm, what?
2015-08-03 17:45
eBettle top 1 Kappa
2015-08-03 17:45
Well its base on ESL events. So looking at results TSM from Katowice 2015 they got 5 - 8th place. The result says it can't arguer about. Only if they placed better in ESL ESEA Pro League Season Finals they could have been invited taking the spot of envy. I don't know no idea maybe they declined cause they're busy with studies. You can ask them its not hard twitter is your friend
2015-08-03 17:45
#278
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Russia e1em3nt 
TSM TOP 6 AHAHHAHAHAHAJDHADHAD HAH AHA HH AHA
2015-08-03 17:46
TSM at 6th even though they just won Dreamhack Valencia so they dont get invited but NiP placed 5th somehow after losing to Flipsid3 with stand in 2 weeks ago lmao ESL
2015-08-03 17:54
Because 5 > 6 Are you retarded?
2015-08-03 17:47
you know that 5 > 6 right?
2015-08-03 17:47
Lol i know that but i meant how is NiP 5th and TSM 6th guess i didnt word it right
2015-08-03 17:52
yeah, but you're right, this ranking is a fucking joke, not only that TSM isn't in top 5 but the whole ranking is so flawed and laughable
2015-08-03 17:55
#280
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Poland camarpl 
TSM top6 hahahahahaha
2015-08-03 17:46
esl should stop being retards and add two additional spots,8 teams is a better format anyway.
2015-08-03 17:46
lol check ESL website... This is based on the points collected on tournaments, not on their opinions. Kinda new teams has a lot less points.
2015-08-03 17:46
1. fnatic 2. TSM 3. Natus Vincere 4. Virtus.pro 5. Cloud9 6. EnVyUs 7. NiP 8. Titan 9. Mousesports 10. dignitas
2015-08-03 17:46
VP:Navi 2-0 VP:Navi 3-1 and u say Navi > vp loool
2015-08-03 17:56
-_- watch next major huan
2015-08-03 18:12
yea navi win so many majors and vp never do this ;) kappa
2015-08-03 18:17
Are you stupid? This ranking not based on how many times one team beat the other team.
2015-08-03 19:07
are you stupid? i didnt reply to the OP but to jack oneal
2015-08-03 19:35
What the fuck you are talking about? Did you even read my message? I reply to you because you replied to ukranian guy
2015-08-03 19:39
i thought you were talking about op becaus there is no way navi can be placed above VP
2015-08-03 20:01
Outdated . Wolf 77? Its not even a team now. Mvp karnal or slyred should vs in top 30 .rip outdated
2015-08-03 17:47
kick cloud9, replace them with TSM.
2015-08-03 17:47
nip 5 AHAHAHAHHAA
2015-08-03 17:48
guys do you even try to read the ranking on esl site ?? first try to read it , think abaut it and tell me what is wrong with this ranking eslgaming.com/worldranking/csgo#/ you have there all tournamenst from last 12 months and points for this . Can someone tell me how esl can make this rank beter ? :D edit : wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/Virtus..
2015-08-03 17:50
Hmm maybe kick CLG and give TSM the points they achived?
2015-08-03 17:51
#301
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Brazil markkrj 
Just refreshing some minds... hltv.org/news/15325-esl-sells-majority-s..
2015-08-03 17:48
NAVI TOP 1!!!!
2015-08-03 17:48
IBP is above some teams..
2015-08-03 17:48
Gets me everytime... prntscr.com/80d2ez
2015-08-03 17:48
According to yours, it makes TSM 4th
2015-08-03 19:44
I didn`t really look at nV, i was just looking at nip ^^
2015-08-03 20:20
YEA VP GO GO GO !
2015-08-03 17:49
ranking is good actually, just like in tennis but TSM should have those points from old dignitas' time - it's something about 1300pkt. 1. fnatic 2. TSM 3. VP 4. Na'Vi 5. Envy 6. NIP ... and NIP out of tournament :D
2015-08-03 17:49
true, but for most retarded hltv users its too much for their brains xD
2015-08-03 17:51
im realy suprised that comes from you
2015-08-03 18:00
you wanna say all of this 1300 pts make device and coop??
2015-08-03 17:59
+1
2015-08-03 18:00
dont cry haters
2015-08-03 17:50
NiP and VP not top5 anymore.
2015-08-03 17:51
2. vp i stopped reading here
2015-08-03 17:51
HUNDEN pro player ............... dont cry idiots
2015-08-03 18:21
Wtf hahahahaha
2015-08-03 17:51
#325
Ukraine bia 
2 ESL Take into attention only champs in the last 3,4,5,6 months. That will be honest and this ranking will show the real power of the teams today, not half a year ago.
2015-08-03 17:51
nt
2015-08-03 17:51
VP-2 TSM-6 <3 ESL
2015-08-03 17:51
so bad list tsm should be 2nd, vp 3/4 and nip like 6/7
2015-08-03 17:51
is based only in esl succes this rank soo if u read better is ''esl ranking''
2015-08-03 17:55
Ik but still nip didn't even go to esl esea finals and they suck. They lose 16-0 to flipside ffs
2015-08-03 19:01
This is bullshit. nV have changed two players, they lose a big part of the value of their results by doing so, and no sane person would rank NiP above TSM at the moment. It's ridiculous. The invited teams following their thought process should be fnatic, TSM, Na'Vi, VP, NiP and C9.
2015-08-03 17:52
#335
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Portugal dracø 
LOLOLOL nip over tsm. Kden
2015-08-03 17:52
Renegades can easily beat CLG
2015-08-03 17:52
I wonder if old VP points went to current roster(polish guys) as well. Too bad you can't see how these ratings are "calculated".
2015-08-03 17:53
no because polish line-up is already more than year in this orga
2015-08-03 17:54
Lol wtf no tsm? Nip but no tsm wtf?
2015-08-03 17:53
fucking hilarious to say we will invite the best six teams but only the 5 best team in Europe and the best one in NA. why does NA only gets an extra spot? and so, what about the others continents (if you are inviting the best NA team)? Tbh, i think that other (inofficial) factors played a role in which team is getting invited (e.g. fan base, sponsorships).
2015-08-03 17:56
#343
Zeus | 
Other Chuckeee 
BUHAHAHA TSM
2015-08-03 17:53
#344
chrisJ | 
United Kingdom dv-_- 
It's a pretty cool ranking system - They just need to tweak it so that it's based on the core players, and also a full year of results is far too much, I'd say 6 months max, if you're wanting an up-to date ranking table.
2015-08-03 17:53
RIP TSM
2015-08-03 17:53
esl site is dead
2015-08-03 17:53
Amount of tears in this thread is lovely :D GJ ESL, make these noobs cry a river! Anyway the ranking is fine and the organization thing also.
2015-08-03 17:54
this ranking is horrible....by anyones standards lol NiP still top5 okey then.... TSM not in top3?? derp
2015-08-03 17:54
Thats why ESL sucks so bad... Bad admin, bad decison, everything is bad. VP 2nd over Nip, TSM. CLG in top 10, whatajoke
2015-08-03 17:54
It goes A YEAR back. Way way way too much
2015-08-03 17:54
Is this a joke?
2015-08-03 17:55
This is shit these rankings
2015-08-03 17:55
#359
suNny | 
Finland m1skaa 
TSM > Cloud9 but still C9 invited over TSM? I'm confused...
2015-08-03 17:55
5 Top eu and Top NA read my friend use brain u can
2015-08-03 17:57
and doens't make any sense to include all teams in a ranking and then saying 7th > 6th. In this case, you need at least 2 rankings - one for Europe and one for NA - then it would be justify to say best 6 worldwide (5 in Europe and 1 in NA - based on these 2 rankings)
2015-08-03 17:59
this is what a thought. TSM 6th place and C9 7th but ESL invited c9? What the hell....? a little bit intransparent
2015-08-03 17:57
#414
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China Specster 
if you are confused then you are retarded, I can't say nothing else. Don't get how or why? Then read and aprove.
2015-08-03 18:05
LOL YEA A YEAR SO MUCH VWOW not like theyre fucking going into 1.6 and giving f0rest/gtr an advantage its a fucking year
2015-08-03 17:55
Does not tell the real story
2015-08-03 17:56
i arent rank that fuck off ESL
2015-08-03 17:56
#369
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Latvia Ke]R[4u 
cool story esl
2015-08-03 17:57
Apparently the system in place still has some faults, as in some cases, points were assigned to organizations as opposed to lineups (dignitas and TSM), while in others, points transferred between organizations (e.g. Luminosity and Keyd Stars) + GAMERS2 and ESC Gaming
2015-08-03 17:57
This is joke, right?
2015-08-03 17:58
I am glad to see all HLTV kids so butthurt, hahahaha. Better check out how ESL made this rankings. It's based on stats and points teams achieved through tournaments. Your shitty opinions based on 3-4 months streak are really jokes.
2015-08-03 18:00
Based on points so this is a correct ESL world ranking. TSM havent been around long enough, thats all. HLTV logic prevails math though so fuck ESL.
2015-08-03 17:58
TSM 6 and dignitas 10 ahahahaha
2015-08-03 17:58
bs, boycott esl plz
2015-08-03 17:58
Swap tsm and vp
2015-08-03 17:59
1. fnatic 2. TSM 3. Na'Vi 4. Cloud9 5. Virtus.Pro 6. EnvyUs 7. NiP 8. Titan 9. Mousesports
2015-08-03 17:59
4.Cloud 9 ? hahahahah
2015-08-03 18:00
#423
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Poland gjt1337 
2. TSM 3. NA'VI Hahaha
2015-08-03 18:07
navi has better results than vp tasty polish tears
2015-08-03 18:34
wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/Virtus.. i think its not so bad achievements edit : 210 000 $ win... just in 2015 edit2 : 230 000 $ win in 2014 + navi loose last 15 from 17 maps vs vp :D yep navi beter results kappa
2015-08-03 18:45
u mad? navi has better results than vp lately hope u can live with it
2015-08-03 18:47
i dont talk with you enymore , you are just to dump for this ... i give you stats and facts you dent give me eny arguments ... i try one more time and i gove you litlebit more stats ;) 2014 - vp win major and overall they win 230 000 $ 2015 - we have 4 more months but vp already win 3 lans and 210 000 $ hltv.org/news/15531-navi-vs-virtuspro-pr.. + on last lan vp vs navi 2:0 vp vs navi 3:1 so vp vs navi last 20 maps vp 16 : 4 navi
2015-08-03 19:11
u cant even spell dumb so its pretty ironic you seem really upset that navi > vp last months based on results
2015-08-03 19:28
:D navi this year win 120 000 $$ vs vp 210 000 $ navi win 3 lans vs vp win 3 lans head to head : 2 lan finals vp 2 : 0 navi maps in this finals vp 5 :1 navi last 20 maps : vp 16 maps : 4 maps navi + this indywidual stats lol hltv.org/news/15531-navi-vs-virtuspro-pr.. i hope mine english is to bad to read your irony or your try of trolling , if not you must by rlly dump ;)
2015-08-03 19:44
FUCK YOU ESL! Now I fking hate NiP aswell, no.5 my ass. Same shit as GTR Top 1 2014, fuck that shit!
2015-08-03 17:59
Why would you hate NiP over something they don't have control over?
2015-08-03 18:15
they come top 5 90% of tournaments.. = top 5 team, I hate NiP but I'm not a retard.
2015-08-03 22:14
#396
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Brazil AL1en 
Clg #9? LOL
2015-08-03 18:00
if TSM actually got their points they deserve (not mistakenly put on new dig org), they would be above NIP. Who would then not be invited :D
2015-08-03 18:01
#399
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United States velocityy 
How is nV ahead of c9 when c9 dominated them the last month? Because nV is european and can play in more euro tourneys? this whole system is a joke lol
2015-08-03 18:01
#403
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United States velocityy 
Keyd Stars with no roster #19, quality.
2015-08-03 18:02
hhaahha what an fucking joke this esl is.
2015-08-03 18:02
this children, is why you should not do meth.... not even once :(... ask frank
2015-08-03 18:02
#408
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China Specster 
Do you guys have some brain damage? It's maths, each team has what they earned thorugh the whole years. hatters gonna cry. cry us a river
2015-08-03 18:04
No, they are giving the majority of points to teams based on the organisation name. It's ridiculous.
2015-08-03 18:06
#587
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China Specster 
it's fair for ones, unfair for others, it'0s impossible to make everyone happy.
2015-08-03 18:58
It should be based on recent, relevant results, or teams. Organisation names should not retain points just because talented players were under their organisation when they won titles/good placing. It's ridiculous. How can anybody logically think TSM is not a top 2 team currently is hilarious. Really do feel bad for those guys, because they deserve to be there, where teams such as NiP who has won nothing of relevance in nearly a year is invited over them.
2015-08-03 19:29
+1 TSM good for 1 month = 2nd best team in the world, makes heaps of sense. fnatic been top 2 for a year now, and like 75 of the tournaments they have attended since they have won, so it makes sense why fnatic are miles ahead of everyone because techniquely they are :)
2015-08-03 22:13
The players ranking is even more stupid...
2015-08-03 18:05
List is worse than average hltv users' list (which are mostly are jokes)
2015-08-03 18:05
thought the same thing
2015-08-03 18:35
ESL's ranking make even Gosugamers hilariously incorrect rankings seem pretty legit.
2015-08-03 18:07
Tbh, great job. CS:GO scene is not only few months in a past, its a lot more. But fact that NA teams have a lot more easier task, should decrease their points. There is 2-3 good teams in NA, while in EU you have 20 teams like that. They got easier slots, and also more points. TSM was top1 in past few months, but if we look 1 year in past, VP and NiP are on right places
2015-08-03 18:05
#417
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Poland MisterNIKI 
hahaha fu hates! VP <3
2015-08-03 18:06
LDLC should be second with their system, because LDLC got the 1400 points from their old line up which switched to NV :D Also dignitas getting some points from the old dignitas lineup which is TSM now... TSM & EnVy should be higher in the list. well done ESL, keep failing!
2015-08-03 18:07
#425
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United Kingdom smoggy:. 
ESL slowly becoming FIFA? I'm actually surprised SK haven't weaselled their way into the top 5 a long with NIP.
2015-08-03 18:07
#426
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United States velocityy 
I dont understand these player rankings either, top 5 all fnatic? next 5 all ex-nV. lol, your crazy if you think smithzz is a top50 player in the world. The fact that each team has their 3-4 players in consecutive spots is an absolute joke. If you didnt look at the player rankings ill save you time. 1-5. ALL Fnatic players 6-10. ALL current/ex nV players from 1 month ago 11-14. ALL NaVi except flamie(newest member) 15-19. ALL VP players. These rankings are a joke, im done looking at these.
2015-08-03 18:07
#429
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Brazil AL1en 
rip fanboys hahahaha
2015-08-03 18:08
so, PENTA sport -> top 8 -> qualified for the Major mouz add 3 penta's players -> mouz automatically qualified for the Major players > team(org) TSM add Dignitas core -> no points transferred players < team(org) nice logic esl
2015-08-03 18:09
#531
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Finland Jonzu95 
+1
2015-08-03 18:34
nvm -
2015-08-03 18:11
I just love that the highest UK team is only 4 places above, what I assume, is the female team Bad Monkey Gaming?
2015-08-03 18:10
NiP shouldn't be going to this tournament however you dress it up. At best ESL should of invited them over TSM using a system they themselves have admitted to being flawed, with points going to their previous organisation (dig). At worst it's just another example of how deep NiP management manipulate the scene. Why not just fix the system before you invite the teams? Oh right, because then there would be no NiP. Disgusting.
2015-08-03 18:15
#440
Ukraine bia 
The same ranking for the last 6 month. 1. 3950,00 Fnatic 2. 2735,00 ENVYUS 3. 2630,00 NaVi 4. 2500,00 VP 5. 2480,00 NiP 6. 2325,00 TSM 7. 1707,50 C9 The only what I can say is that championships like Gfinity must not be considered as they are only invitational and therefore not all teams can participate.
2015-08-03 18:11
Shit just got real
2015-08-03 18:11
top2 is legit. wtf do you want xD
2015-08-03 18:12
#445
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El Salvador jayss 
ESL for god's sake, the points should be roster specific as EnvyUs deserves to be second place with many 1st place finishes they had as LDLC
2015-08-03 18:12
What a disgrace for a ranking. Looks like they copied my idea but they fucked up adding points. hltv.org/blog/10242-top-ranking-27-july-..
2015-08-03 18:14
stfu nobody copied your shit idea, your ranking is just as shitty as this one
2015-08-03 18:19
#518
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Poland raggan 
+1
2015-08-03 18:29
+1
2015-08-03 18:40
tsm 6? seriously? noooo
2015-08-03 18:14
Striker pls, just pls, don't give your opinion in the articles. Readers have different opinions. Your statement should be neutral. "even though TSM would seemingly earn a place above NiP had they been assigned some points from their time in dignitas."
2015-08-03 18:15
#464
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El Salvador jayss 
He's just stating the facts
2015-08-03 18:17
+1
2015-08-03 18:19
actually he isn't, if you add the points to their total they still fall short (make sure you look at the decay number not the original ratings). it is stupid though, Key now LG are 2x in top20 :D
2015-08-03 19:28
#478
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Poland Kub4w 
He DID state the fact in this sentence so...?
2015-08-03 18:19
it's up to readers to decide the facts.. Yes those facts are actually true but it's just journalism methodology too.
2015-08-03 18:38
cs drama. get some pop corn *OM NOM NOM*
2015-08-03 18:18
#476
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Kazakhstan Getlive 
ESL best joke
2015-08-03 18:19
hate hate hate hate hate
2015-08-03 18:19
Nice lineup ESL puu.sh/jnS3r/2ab2bdcf88.jpg lmao
2015-08-03 18:19
Yeah, we laughed abit.
2015-08-03 18:30
this is probably the funniest ranking ive seen this year LOL 5. NIP 6. TSM fuckin wut
2015-08-03 18:20
Im not tsm fanboy but they deserve at least top4
2015-08-03 18:20
nr. 69 ? A major team :D
2015-08-03 18:21
ESL bs all over again, there is always new stinky crap from this org. They just want NiP to play because the fanbase they have, can't justify that fucking ranking.
2015-08-03 18:21
FNATIC WOPP WOPP! Ofcourse they are the best team with the best points to gotta love it ;)
2015-08-03 18:21
april fools is in april you ESL idiots. VP shouldnt even be on that list.
2015-08-03 18:23
#493
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Netherlands Nieroth 
CLG isn't even top20, but since they keep qualifying by playing against other tier3/4 teams they get points.
2015-08-03 18:24
EBettle 63rd after Area51, Bad Mondkey Gaming and NetcodesGuides.com lol
2015-08-03 18:24
hahahahaha
2015-08-03 18:36
lmaoing out loud at CLG being in top 10
2015-08-03 18:24
did a bunch of fanboys make these rankings wtf?
2015-08-03 18:25
Hahahaha, pains me to say it, but this is even worse than makor's ranking :D ESL, please, get your shit together.
2015-08-03 18:25
#501
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Brazil AL1en 
LDLC top 30
2015-08-03 18:26
get wrecked ban'dera and tsm fanboys xDDDDDDDD
2015-08-03 18:26
It's retarded because TSM don't attend a lot of events so they can't get points. If a team attend 50% of events and win them all easily, it doesn't make them worse than a team who attends 100% of events and gets 2nd or 3/4th...
2015-08-03 18:26
Most of hltv users = idiots i can see ;) This ranking hasnt been created with reference to last month but last year, TSM just wont their first tournament lately, and last week lost 2 matches and was out, so how can you call TSM>NIP ? Maybe in 1 month time I can agree, but if we look deeper they didnt won anything else, while NiP won some tournament, top2 major also etc. so stop talking bullshit. JUST READ IT ONE MORE TIME : ITS RANKING ABOUT LAST YEAR not MONTH K THX BYE
2015-08-03 18:28
ok ! no more ESL ranking ffs
2015-08-03 18:28
NiP > TSM H@H@H@H@H good ranking!
2015-08-03 18:28
Na'Vi only 27 points behind vp lol
2015-08-03 18:29
#526
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Finland Jonzu95 
only one "finnish" team in the list and it's Nerdrage. lmao
2015-08-03 18:33
:D
2015-08-03 18:52
the fuck??????????????
2015-08-03 18:33
good job ESL, haters gonna hate :)
2015-08-03 18:34
virtus pro 2nd place wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/Virtus.. i think its not so bad achievements edit : 210 000 $ win... just in 2015 edit2 : 230 000 $ win in 2014
2015-08-03 18:35
Good rankings. Congrats CLG. Prove the haters wrong in Cologne.
2015-08-03 18:35
#539
jR | 
Ukraine lancee 
Clg #9? What a fucking joke. Mouz, hr, efrag, flipside and many more are way way better than clg
2015-08-03 18:36
Yeah online,this is a ranking of lan events.
2015-08-03 18:37
We will see this weekend ^-^
2015-08-03 18:50
#583
jR | 
Ukraine lancee 
I'm not telling they're bad, they're pretty good and did a few nice upsets, but #9 spot in the world requires more than that. Tbh there are like 5 european teams better than clg for sure and 5 more arguably better. I wish them good luck and hope that they'll prove me I'm wrong though.
2015-08-03 18:55
?? xD
2015-08-03 18:36
#547
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Norway deepZ82 
This explains everything: i.imgur.com/DbES8kM.jpg
2015-08-03 18:37
Wonder how much did nip pay esl. Absolute joke.
2015-08-03 18:38
Accurate rankings considering the time frame of just over a year. Accurate coz nip only do good at majors and TSM were not even close to top 5 before feb/march this year
2015-08-03 18:38
Why wouln't they just invite top 6 instead of being nationalists? yes, make 8, since tsm should've been inivted over c9. invite titan and tsm.
2015-08-03 18:39
eslgaming.com/worldranking/csgo#/about read, ranking is ok but would be much better if for example only 20% of points was stick to the org
2015-08-03 18:43
Make it 8 teams. One of the spots goes to TSM and the last team through qualifications - from an open qualifier that gets you into a closed lan qualifier.
2015-08-03 18:45
#568
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Poland kRAMERO 
xaxaxaxa NiP :D TSM fucked
2015-08-03 18:47
How the brazilian teams EX-Dexterity (NTC) and Rampage Killers are not on that ranking ? Certainly the RK and the NTC would win against some of these teams.
2015-08-03 18:48
lol
2015-08-03 19:39
The ranking mixes female und male teams despite them never playing each other. And it contains teams who no longer exist. What a joke.
2015-08-03 18:52
"Lots of feedback today. Since so many want to see @TeamSoloMid in Dubai, maybe we should extend the tournament to 8 teams?" twitter.com/theflyingdj
2015-08-03 18:52
Should make it 8 teams. Add invite for TSM, and then a 4-team playoff between Luminosity, Renegades, Kinguin and CLG whilst they are all in Cologne.
2015-08-03 19:02
cheers! good idea
2015-08-03 19:06
Thorin's rankings are WAY better than this bs.
2015-08-03 18:55
good rankings especially navi #3 part
2015-08-03 18:59
LMFAO i thought i'd never say this but thoorin's shit ranking system is more logical than that shit... fucking Vp 2nd and TSM 6th? T0P K3K
2015-08-03 19:08
VP #2? funniest shit I've seen in days
2015-08-03 19:08
funniest na cs man c9 never win VP ok
2015-08-03 19:12
16-0
2015-08-03 19:15
32-3 10-0
2015-08-03 19:16
c9 could be ranked 1000 it wouldn't make vp #2 any more plausible. nt tho
2015-08-04 02:54
ez for nerdrage
2015-08-03 19:10
tsm fanbase is mad I'm gonna do some popcorn
2015-08-03 19:10
#606
TaZ | 
Poland reap3r 
I bet VP likes the taste of your tears.
2015-08-03 19:15
#611
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Europe loonek4 
35 QeeYou ,39 NerdRage k den
2015-08-03 19:21
Aside from a few major problems with the implementation of the system, which I hope will be ironed out soon, this is a huge step in the right direction. Not including the points Striker already mentioned, here are two major issues: 1. Online qualification stages should not be counted as part of a tournament for ranking purposes, since players' homes are not full competitive environments, not to mention the increased risk of cheating, DDOS or other online issues. For example, ESL ESEA should not be considered "grand" tier, as there were only 8 teams in the main event. 2. The way teams qualify for a tournament should matter. Again, using ESL ESEA as an example, the final artificially consisted of 4 teams from a strong region and 4 teams from a weak region, rather than the strongest 8 teams who could have qualified. Thus it should not be considered a "grand" tier event. CS:GO is global now, and tournament invitations/qualifications should reflect this. Edit: missing words.
2015-08-03 19:23
Why are people so mad about VP they are playing great and didn't they just beat c9 and navi last lan? WTF is NV doing there it's not even the same fucking team that "earned" the rating to begin with, hello. No way any french team deserves to be up there til they settle down and start winning again.
2015-08-03 19:28
#622
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Germany Gloin 
CLG 9th :D esl so trolly today
2015-08-03 19:28
Did ESL take down their ranking ? I can't see it anymore. But I did see that LDLC. White were awarded the DHW2014 win...
2015-08-03 19:31
by far the worst ranking i have ever seen anyone ever do on csgo teams. not even hltv trolls make worse lists.
2015-08-03 19:32
where HR?
2015-08-03 19:36
searching google : " The video ESL did not want you to see "
2015-08-03 19:38
Cry me a river VP haters!!!!!! :D
2015-08-03 19:38
Sophisticated ranking system boys
2015-08-03 19:42
LOL x-keyd stars move to luminosity 4 days ago havent played any meaningful matches yet they have moved up 3 spots. Yo dudes your fucking algorithm is broken you fucking retards.
2015-08-03 19:44
+1337
2015-08-03 19:56
this is joke not ranking LOL
2015-08-03 19:54
They're probably gonna change it everyone is so mad lol
2015-08-03 19:54
LOL NIP IN FRONT OF TSM HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!
2015-08-03 19:59
RIP their ranking, it was so shit they decided to remove it :D
2015-08-03 19:59
As accurate as FIFA ranking Kappa
2015-08-03 20:06
this gave me cancer
2015-08-03 20:07
2015-08-03 20:43
absolute joke ranking. ESL is quickly becoming the worst league with the least redeeming qualities.
2015-08-03 20:10
I mean as a ranking for 1 year its fine. But taking that ranking as the base for their invites is just mind numbing. Esl at it again, they just love being shit.
2015-08-03 20:10
HR 11th, hell yeah!
2015-08-03 20:15
#666
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Brazil rafaelkillua 
Shitty ranking.
2015-08-03 20:22
ahahah ESL IS SO SHIT
2015-08-03 20:30
SKDC #41 kek
2015-08-03 20:36
#672
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Libya Ayudaaa 
Nihilium > Kinguin lel n1 ESL
2015-08-03 20:38
NaVi 3 place? hahahaah CLG xD
2015-08-03 20:38
register only to say that this ranking is bullshit for example take a look at ESL ESEA and FACEIT finals. first has Keyd, Dignitas, HR, TS and eLevate for second we have Kinguin, Titan, Flipsid3 and 2 austalian teams. and they consider 1st tournament 2,5 times more important than 2nd. CLG by winning only 2 bo1 received as much points as TSM by winning entire tournament. gg ESL, you have made a bunch of crap
2015-08-03 20:39
Single Most disgraceful thing i've ever seen from ESL. Describing this system as 'sophisticated' without revealing any criteria for the ranking is absolute slander and ESL should be fucking embarassed about it.
2015-08-03 20:40
#676
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Ireland conoR- 
space soliders > fnatic
2015-08-03 20:41
-NiP +TSM. It's obvious
2015-08-03 20:42
#714
ZELIN | 
Portugal Cyborgy 
-envyus/vp
2015-08-04 00:25
TSM major win? I listen.
2015-08-03 20:44
lol CLG ahead of dignitas hAHAHAAH nice ranking idiots
2015-08-03 20:55
So if it's allowed to bring old statics then lets bring SK statics since 2003 and sk is #1. that's stupid. u need to look this year, not the history. i lost count how many times tsm has won against world's best team in bo3s, bo5s this year. Nip also didn't even manage to qualify for 250k$ event, ESL ESEA. but they're getting direct invite to this? even Thorin would bring better ranking system for sure
2015-08-03 20:56
+1 haha this
2015-08-04 13:03
nihilum tempo elevate over GPLAY HAHAAHA ESL PLSSS DONT EMBARRASS YOURSELF WHO THE FUK CAME UP WITH THIS THOORIN OR RICHARD LEWIS THOSE 2 BUFFoONS?
2015-08-03 20:58
Na'Vi top 3) CIS are the best! #Road2Top1
2015-08-03 21:05
#685
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Brazil seltinn1 
Luminosity and NTC top1/top2 coming! xD dignitas at top10 is hilarious
2015-08-03 21:02
CLG? please...
2015-08-03 21:17
VP top 2 #hltvconfirmed
2015-08-03 21:19
its somthing new for you ?? you must watch cs 2 moths edit : wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/Virtus.. i think its not so bad achievements 210 000 $ win... just in 2015 230 000 $ win in 2014
2015-08-03 22:00
Did i said somewhere that i disagree with this ranking?
2015-08-04 11:13
lmao navi 3 xDDDDDDDD
2015-08-03 21:19
yay dignitas :D
2015-08-03 21:28
joke ?
2015-08-03 21:54
clg rulzzz rofl
2015-08-03 21:56
Kennys and Apex in Dubaï instead of shox & smithzz ... what a big joke !!!
2015-08-03 22:04
im not fan of danish cs but tsm > vp tsm >> navi tsm >>> nip hltv random ranking > esl ranking :DD
2015-08-03 22:10
thats why Vp reks Tsm
2015-08-04 02:09
someone just really like NIP and dislike TSM... too bad that someone decides who plays in the tournament... :(
2015-08-03 22:24
C9>nV
2015-08-03 22:34
hnahahahah Please hltv make a new about the player ranking, this one is even better. DEVICE TOP29 XD
2015-08-03 23:33
ESL should pay Thorin to come up with ranking for them as thorin's ranking would be the most accurate ranking out there.
2015-08-04 00:04
#713
zneel | 
United States fenomix 
LMFAOOO.... CLG Top 10 Mousesports / Flipside / HellRaisers / Kinguin / Dignitas / Maybe even SK some teams that are better then CLG.
2015-08-04 00:24
true.. CLG only has 1 important win which is a bo1 win against fnatic, nothing else, I don't understand how they can be in Top 10?
2015-08-05 12:42
#715
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Denmark fyhn 
This ranking is such bullshit. Even the random HLTV users who makes top10 rankings everyday does it better :D
2015-08-04 00:33
#718
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Brazil hugoooo 
Like any other ranking, it's shit.
2015-08-04 00:55
LOL what is this ranking hate to say it but maybe they should just let thorin do these
2015-08-04 02:00
OnlineBOTS are 80th my life is complete
2015-08-04 02:08
tho tsm should be ranked higher im fine with the rest vp haters cry more
2015-08-04 02:33
#733
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Sweden klvmeister 
Fnatic N1 =D
2015-08-04 04:55
Hellraisers #11 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL HOW?
2015-08-04 05:19
#735
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Russia fleg 
this ranking is not about "who are stronger right now" u bunch of retards ahh whatever helloooo HLTV
2015-08-04 05:42
This is complete bullshit
2015-08-04 07:59
Why would they even choose the top 5 EU and top one NA team in the first place? – And not just top 6? This is so biased. What if NA had 3 teams in top 5, would EU still get 5 spots and NA only one? Don't think so... Why differentiate just because NA doesn't have a top6 team according to ESL.
2015-08-04 09:11
wow
2015-08-04 10:37
Normal people say bullshit, polaks say great, good job. Just pathetic nation, i'm not surprised.
2015-08-04 11:25
appleball.net/?p=339 my thoughts on this. thorins making a video on it also i guess so i might have to update once thorin tells us what to think.
2015-08-04 11:25
This just proves how money/company driven the CS community is. It will never be a peoples sport like this. Pathetic
2015-08-04 11:35
this is really bad rankings
2015-08-04 11:36
TSM > NiP this ranking is so fuckin' bullshit it's laughable
2015-08-04 13:04
Tempostorm > kinguin > Gplay
2015-08-04 15:10
that ranking is so fucked up
2015-08-04 16:33
I just don't understand how CLG is in the Top10... no hate or anything but there are many teams better then them.
2015-08-05 12:38
We will see in the next major. Feel like a lot of teams have something to prove now. Not only nip and VP, but also envyus considering the recent changes..
2015-08-05 15:10
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