ESL announces WESA federation

13-5-2016 17:16

ESL has formally announced the creation of the World Esports Association (WESA), a federation that will work on regulating the competitive scene.

Organisations like fnatic, Natus Vincere and Virtus.pro have all joined WESA as founding members, with more clubs expected to join the governing body in the future.

In a statement, ESL describes WESA as "an inclusive organization that will further professionalize esports by introducing elements of player representation, standardized regulations, and revenue sharing for teams." The goal is to bring harmony to a "crowded esports ecosystem" by creating "predictable schedules for fans, players, organisers and broadcasters."

The following eight gaming organisations are the founding members of WESA:

fnatic	Natus Vincere
EnVyUs	Virtus.pro
G2 Esports	FaZe
mousesports	Ninjas in Pyjamas

Players will be represented in WESA by a Player Council, which will be working actively on a number of important topics, "such as league policies, rulesets, player transfers and more," in the tournaments that will be operated under the governing body's regulations, the first of which being the ESL Pro League.

"WESA offers many opportunities to the Member Teams and their Players, but we're most excited about the esports's first official player representative finally becoming a reality," said Virtus.pro captain Wiktor "TaZ" Wojtas.

"For the first time in the history of esports, players will come together to organize themselves, and that will enable all of us to get a real say in decisions that directly influence us.

"With a Player Council sitting at the table with the rest of the decision makers, we're going to continue improve the tournament and league organization".

Natus Vincere owner Alexander "ZeroGravity" Kokhanovskyy stated that all members will "share the profits" of WESA-sanctioned events, which, in his opinion, is "a huge step for the industry."

"We’ve established Fnatic across numerous games over the past twelve years, and we welcome an organization like WESA to help speak to the interests of teams and players," fnatic CEO Wouter Sleijffers continued.

Acting as the Interim League Commissioner of WESA will be Pietro Fringuelli, a lawyer who has worked as an advisor to some of the biggest sports organisations in Europe.

“I’m incredibly honored and excited to join the World Esports Association today, and am looking forward to bringing my years of experience from traditional sports into the world of electronic sports," he said.

"The formation of WESA, and the growth of the Association in the coming years, will be the critical performance indicators for the entire esports industry - and a real game changer for its every stakeholder."

Below you can find a picture that will explain the structure of WESA and how the positions in the governing body are related to each other:

From our Press Conference, WESA Structure & how the association directly involves players in governance #WESA pic.twitter.com/T1eqt0QadI
— WESA (@WESAofficial) 13 May 2016

boooo

2016-05-13 17:15

59 replies

rip esports

2016-05-13 17:17

19 replies

I wouldn't even mind this if dreamhack ran it or something, but esl is just garbage

2016-05-13 18:26

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dreamhack is Esl get your facts together

2016-05-13 18:36

ESL owns DH now.

2016-05-13 18:42

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No, ESL and DH are owned by the same parent company. Get your facts together.

2016-05-13 21:16

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What company owns the two?

2016-05-13 21:20

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MTG

2016-05-13 21:23

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Okay, thanks. my bad. I appreciate you correcting me though.

2016-05-13 21:31

Tutrle Entertainment i guess

2016-05-13 21:40

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Didn't MTG buy 74% of TE who owned ESL? Correct me if I'm wrong. edit: TE operated under the ESL brand my bad.

2016-05-13 21:49

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Oh yeah youre right Just googled it ^^, didnt know about this since i made a 1yr cs break

2016-05-13 21:51

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it's no problem :D I might make a fairly long CS break soon too because of exams and that

2016-05-13 21:57

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memesvault.com/wp-content/uploads/Feels-.. xD

2016-05-13 22:06

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it's all over in just over a month anyways, can't wait for when the last exam is over. just gotta focus on the first ones to begin with

2016-05-13 22:07

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I wish you good luck bro -Winners train losers complain-

2016-05-13 22:08

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I like the motto. and thanks! trying to not complain so much, but rather study a hell of a lot. I have a feeling it'll fly by anyways.

2016-05-13 22:09

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yeah MTG owns both but there still independent technically of each other to a certain degree.

2016-05-13 22:22

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okay, thanks for the information. much appreciated

2016-05-13 22:28

2016-05-13 23:35

yep

2016-05-13 18:48

u spend all ur day on hltv just to get first on every post? pleb

2016-05-13 17:18

lol everytime

2016-05-13 17:27

get mad retardddd

2016-05-13 17:35

nolifer

2016-05-13 17:58

All the salt

2016-05-13 18:30

You literally have 0 life

2016-05-13 18:53

fagit :)

2016-05-13 21:28

+1 fuck off ESL

2016-05-13 17:20

Gotta love when people decide to monopolize their business branch and pretend it's for the benefit of the people, especially when they do no work them selves... like the fine bros did several weeks ago on youtube, how that turn out?

2016-05-13 18:50

Off-topic but I'd like to know, what did TheFineBros do?

2016-05-14 02:50

They tried to monopolize simple react videos concepts (kids reacting, elders reacting etc.) with their idea of uniting these videos under their trademark which would have these concepts copyrighted. Basically people would make reaction videos and pay these guys who do basically nothing a fee for their "support", of course it go shut down by the community really fast as this money grab is just a bit too obvious and bold. see for yourself: youtube.com/watch?v=IFFL-uIoNTE

2016-05-14 10:14

Once shit starts getting more complex, usually corruption follows.

Ez, I would gladly become the president of WESA. I would be at least as good leader for WESA as Sepp Blatter was for FIFA. Ez money, ez life

2016-05-13 17:43

There are so many unknowns atm; how will this council be elected/chosen? will every member have veto? how will this council interface with Valve and tournament organizers?

2016-05-13 17:46

This is an attempt to lock out competitors that are coming against ESL (all those Chinese and American leagues/tournaments with 1m+ prize pools). ESL wants to have its own political organisation so that all money/investment has to go through them, and who knows, maybe some of that money falls through the cracks. All political structures are rigid machines and in order for something to get done, the middle man needs to get "oiled".

2016-05-13 18:05

Exactly. Good to see someone else realizing the gravity of this organization

2016-05-13 22:00

Dude you missed one Giant earthquake when this News leaked to reddit lol Everybody was mad

2016-05-13 22:53

usually meaning always

2016-05-13 19:13

#freeibuypower

2016-05-13 17:37

Why "boooo"? This is highly recommended and appreciated! It is something the industry really needs. All this chaos of hundreds of tournaments and players being exploited gotta be stopped. Need a league system and the Majors. And not 5 Leagues with over 1 million prize money each. Better distribute 5 million for the top league, 2 million for league 2, 750k for the third and so on. Can be increased with popularity and grow of the industry.

Teams/orgs now have the freedom to choose which leagues/tournaments they attend based on what each one offers them. Competition drives quality/innovation/investment. What if I wanted to create a new tournament/league with bigger prize pool, better quality, etc. to compete with ESL? I won't be able to because ESL has locked down all the big orgs in contracts.

2016-05-13 17:55

it clearly states teams will be allowed to play leagues outside of WESA provided that they provide the schedule ahead of time and it doesn't clash with WESA event so how is your second paragraph relevant?

2016-05-13 18:37

Was about to say exactly that. It is the association of the eight biggest organisations and the biggest league and the players are involved in decisions that are going to be made. So there is no point on thinking that WESA will kill eSport. The current situation will kill eSport if it goes the way it is further. Everyone who has money is creating his own league and battling in order to distribute higher prize money. For what? This is stupid...instead of coming together to form league systems so that also small organisations will get a piece of the cake in the lower leagues being held under the roof of WESA.

2016-05-13 18:55

Let's break that down shall we? A key point to take away from what they communicated thus far is that anything they say apply NOW. But in the future? who knows... Look at this: twitter.com/Tgwri1s/status/7311310455931.. That doesn't sound very transparent, does it? Next month they could just announce anything that contradicts what they said in the past. Now if I was making the decisions, I would be smart about it. I would make a structure of a league and tournaments that would have some gaps in it, so that other organisers can have their events. Lets say, ESL league games every week from Monday to Thursday. That leaves 3 days for another organiser to make an event, which is not enough. What org will make the decision to go in such an event? No more postponements. "Oh you want to go to an MLG event this week? Sorry, we can't postpone your league game, its in the contract!" tl:dr is "provided that they provide the schedule ahead of time and it doesn't clash with WESA event" Yes, you can theoretically go to other events, but lets see if you can do it if we make it hard for you..

2016-05-13 19:20

every week all year long? or are you implying each season would follow the next without gaps whatsoever? because that's precisely the time when other tournaments would be able to be ran. in addition, teams that are not part of the WESA would probably compete in other leagues and regardless majors will still be majors. the masculine approach you describe is not that smart in the least. if they bluntly try to destroy the competition with "conficting schedule" similarly to how kespa was toying with gomtv over the years they'll end up with a stale scene, decrease in viewership and eventually loss of money. that's not what smart people would do and unlike kespa they are not stable enough to maintain the whole scene by themselves. i won't be surprised if this will result in the top tier teams abandoning some of the less important leagues which will probably result in them becoming t2 leagues, however that's not necessarily a bad thing for the scene as a whole.

2016-05-13 20:18

Someone with a german flag wanting a ESL monopoly. You sure you don't work there?

2016-05-13 18:25

So? Only because Turtle Entertainment is a German company I recommend the announcement? That has nothing to do with my flag. I just recommend it because it is necessary. The current situation is awful. BTW: I wasn't even born in Germany. Moreover, even if another league would have created WESA from another country, I would still recommend it and support the decision.

2016-05-13 19:02

Well situation where players can have one league to play in will certainly give them more choices and better situation. You are fucking clueless.

2016-05-13 19:03

Calling me clueless and didn't even understand that this mess of tournaments aren't good for the sport we do love. Something is wrong with you and I don't want to figure out what. But you should better think before you post weird stuff. Have you noticed that in the past months teams stepped down from playing in different leagues e.g. with 3.5 million $ prize money? Reason? Not because they don't want to play. The decision was made because they are completely burned out. This is what you recommend? What on earth is wrong with you?

The way its gonna go down is: ESL owns half and will use it to fuck other leagues over. Big orgs own the other half and because of this they will get the invites and better treatment, even when they lose to teams from small orgs like Tempo Storm. It won't be level playing field anywhere. This has nothing to do with competition or making the scene better. This is FIFA owned by bundesliga who tries to fuck over premier league. This has only something to do with making more money for ESL and big orgs. This is the competitor of that 3,5mil league trying to make teams leave that league. Infact this is might be the real reason NaVi left ECS, otherwise they would have used a standin like fnatic does with every tournament before Olof comes back. The smaller tournament organisers will essentially die out and then when there is no competition, ESL can dictate everything. Your argument is basically "if we shut down every other burger joint than McDonalds, they would make the best burgers in the world!".

2016-05-13 19:29

I understand your saying and the history is full of things the way you mentioned. But why not investing hope into this decision? Maybe eSport (WESA) will deliver the way we all want. Important is to put the right persons in the right positions. Together we are one. Let's so this!

2016-05-13 19:30

Won't open a single ESL stream regardless of the game played.

2016-05-13 19:32

"ESL did nothing wrong"

2016-05-13 19:14

Sarcasm, irony or...? :D

2016-05-13 19:15

The one single lesson from all of human history is: don't give power to anybody. Why does no one ever learn?

2016-05-13 19:19

If power is shared, there is nothing wrong tbh. If you give 1 human the entire power to rule, it can be good or bad. Depends on the character... mostly bad, I know. :p

2016-05-13 19:22

If he wanted that power it's bad. If the did anything to be there, it's bad. If there was competition and he came out on top, it's bad. If he's dumb, it's bad. If he's smart, it's bad. :V And if we apply Game Theory, the simple fact that it could be bad, even if it was 50/50, which it never is, the answer would be not to give them that power anyway. :X

2016-05-13 19:34

Flusha as anti cheat representative please

2016-05-13 17:57

+1 Down with these sort of things.

Nice read

2016-05-13 17:16

closer and closer...

crap

crap.

great

Nice

nice,good job esl

nice

wot

RIP

ESL attempting to ruin the scene since 1847

but instead they made the scene big

2016-05-13 17:24

No they didn't

2016-05-13 17:25

DreamHack tournaments are way more better than ESL

2016-05-13 17:36

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maybe but ESL had way more influence to the cs scene than DreamHack or any other organisation. Trash talking ESL is simply not justified.

2016-05-13 17:41

LOL

2016-05-13 17:51

LOLLLLL

2016-05-13 19:25

lmao

2016-05-14 01:30

What are you talking about? Dreamhack and ESL and ESEA are all owned by the same company: MTG. This is a monopoly being established. If a new company like MLG want to get in the game, they will have to go through WESA/MTG, so they get some of that skrilla.

2016-05-13 18:13

btw MTG has just 74% of ESL, and what does that mean ? remains still the fact that ESL made tournaments just in Germany and in Poland, Dreamhack made tournaments in EU and in NA in different places :) and about ESEA looks like a dead league :/

2016-05-13 18:15

If you have at least 51% of a company you are the major stakeholder, which means you have the majority of votes on the executive council, so you basically own a company and can do anything with it.

2016-05-13 18:17

i know -.- i am not retarded but i mean that they still are involved in the major stuffs.

2016-05-13 18:23

shareholder that is

2016-05-14 17:54

u got no clue about the history of ESL events all over the world way before Dreamhack or ESEA became even close to relevant outside of Sweden/NA.

2016-05-13 19:11

but lets talk about now cuz i know too that esl was way more better than the other leagues. now dreamhack tournaments are much better :)

2016-05-13 20:07

you could see who really gave a shit about cs back when esl dropped 1.6 while dreamhack continued on supporting it even though it possibly didn't make much business sense.

2016-05-13 18:16

Nice.

fnatic is uk now

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fnatiks roster is swedish. org is uk

Thank you Captain Obvious

2016-05-13 17:19

some people dont understand differences between organization flags and roster flags.

2016-05-13 17:22

U got b83d

2016-05-13 18:34

nope... fnatic roster is UK and org is swedish... cArn is their CEO...

sam mathews disagrees. carn is the cgo iirc. chief gaming officer

2016-05-13 17:21

Why would Sam Matthews disagree? The current fnatic ceo is Wouter Sleijffers.

2016-05-13 18:18

I thought since sam mathews is the founding father of fnatic he's the ceo of the org to this day but now I read that sleijffers has been the ceo since january 2015. didn't knew about that until now.

2016-05-13 18:21

To be fair I thought the same until a few weeks ago. He's still a chairman at fnatic, but I think he has distanced himself from the org to explore new options.

2016-05-13 18:22

cArn is not the CEO of fnatic

2016-05-13 17:33

Carn is Fnatic's CGO, chief gaming officer.

2016-05-13 18:01

So... waterboy?

2016-05-13 18:46

Not sure really. But i suppose he travels around from team to team and tournament to tournament to see if the players have everything they need, if they do their signing sessions and expose their sponsors correctly. Probably has some sort of managerial position among the players with contracts and stuff aswell.

He's the 2nd chair in fnatic. CEO > CGO > rest.

2016-05-13 18:58

Also, he can play some matches with the roster. Best job ever.

2016-05-13 20:06

are you really sure?

nice flags

nice brain

Nice hacks

2016-05-13 18:35

RIP CSGO

UK BEST

PERFECTLY

I really do like this idea

federation or league ? ..

Depends on who you're asking :>

twitter.com/Tgwri1s/status/7311310455931.. those cheeky bastards ;)

fnatic is UK scene

fnatic is actually UK org if you dont know ;)

2016-05-14 01:45

what expert Thorin say about this ?

fuck these guys seriously

only thing I can do is laugh at this. how pathetic..

UK scene were number 1 for a while then....... WOW who would have thought that.

Virus.pro is Russian?

yes... flags are based on owners not on players in this case

did you really think a poorlak org had so much money to pay pro players?

2016-05-13 18:43

Toilet cleaning gives you more money than you think))

yes russian economy best economy

2016-05-13 19:23

Russia has a lot of money.. some of your football clubs are partly owned by russians

but the money stays in britain for a reason there all criminals and dont want to show there face in russia

2016-05-13 19:26

Their fucking logo is a polar bear. How many polar bears do you think are in Poland?

2016-05-14 05:47

FNATIC UK HOPE

UK Fnatic ez win

What WESA is gonna do? I don't freaking get it. Can Someone please explain

Basically player association. It's the second esports syndicate.

What is it's function? And why the hell is out necessary?

It is definetely not a necessesity. It functions so that players/orgs are not being misstreated and so that we can have more proffesionally made events/tournaments in the entire width of esports (basicly, to come closer to real sports in terms of structure and organisement). Problem is, even ESL is a bad fucking tournament organizer and it's pretty hypocritic of them to try and correct other organizers when it took them 6 hours to finish a single bo3.

Try fixing your stream first, "industry's leader".

Indeed. Can't fucking watch a single fucking match. Lol my rime.

2016-05-13 20:11

Astralis ?

No they are clever don't join this shit

2016-05-13 17:30

Dildos

We're screwed boys twitter.com/Tgwri1s/status/7311310455931.. twitter.com/SirScoots/status/73113271956..

what? no Astralis and LG?

2016-05-13 19:42

Why don't you kids ever fucking read the article?

2016-05-13 19:57

no monkeys allowed

2016-05-14 20:23

Wasnt fnatic an Australian organization?

afaik the one who created Fnatic and his mother who helped him are from Australia

Thank you

no...? they've always been uk org at least for the past three years since ive been watching

no, it was never an australian organisation. the owner is an australian who studied and lived in britain for two decades. the org was founded in britain and the headquarters are located in britain.

2016-05-13 18:09

Thank you, didnt know this.

2016-05-13 18:38

first regulation: no more bo1 lan matches, especially at 8 team only tournaments.

Autistic c9 fan

LOL what?! c9 one of my least favorite teams XD

2016-05-13 18:32

K Nigga K

gj faze now seal the deal and pick up complexity e: esl killing valve . nice to see whether valve will strike back or lose control over the e-sports market. wesa will play inferno? that will say enough.

2016-05-13 17:32

rip

UK SCENE IS BACK BABY

This might be a good idea... some players will easily get Visa as we have our own association. But lets see what's next

Calm down Sun Kang.

2016-05-13 20:14

Is it good? i don't know!

Does this mean they actually going to prevent even a possibility of cheating on their lans, ot at least make an attempt of doing so? Because it's a good news then.

damn carn is swedish so I thought fnatic is swedish too

2016-05-13 17:23

ez NiP. rip france scene

NO FAVELAS AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Full Communism

kek

Lol fnatic UK CS

2016-05-13 17:26

WESA = FIFA, THE SAME SHIT RIP ESPORTS

2016-05-13 17:28

in soccer you don't got the developer into the mix. i hope valve still will have control on events.

*football

whatever man we also call it voetbal in dutch

Valve doesn't care that much about cs, as long the yare getting money it's fine.

2016-05-13 17:56

they obviously care, hence the majors and banning cheaters etc but what can they doooo about this really

to hell with the ESL : )

ibp to get unbanned

2016-05-13 17:31

i pray for it to happen

2016-05-14 20:27

G2 is from france lol

G2 Esports, formerly known as Gamers2, is a Spanish esports organization...

2016-05-13 17:42

G2 Esports (also called as G2.Kinguin) is a Spanish professional eSports organization located in Madrid, founded in November 2013 by Carlos "ocelote" Rodriguez. The organization also hosts squads in League of Legends, Call of Duty, and Heroes of the Storm. The organization renamed from "Gamers2" to G2 Esports as a part of their 2015 rebranding project.

2016-05-13 20:19

Virtus pro is from poland lol fnatic is from sweden lol envy us is from france lol

2016-05-14 20:25

2016-05-14 17:35

I only noticed after dad

2016-05-14 17:38

Revenue sharing? Wtf

*Exclusivity League*

2016-05-13 17:38

I am sensing a government forming for cs:go. I do not like. Too much power to few people can go to ones head.

WESA is illuminati of CS:GO scene kappa

2016-05-13 17:40

ESEA is the worst company that could made this federation, they are full of corruption and own interest in every thing they do

rip cs go this is just a way for ESL to get full control over the events. And its not a "players association" lmao, its a association for the orgs so they can make more profit etc.

2016-05-13 17:49

2016-05-13 17:50

Next in line: Paying to watch esports. Just like regular sports. Yay......

I would be extremely concerned about this.

Pietro Fringuelli - ex-FIFA... is this real?? fortune.com/2016/05/13/world-esports-ass.. Pietro Fringuelli, who spent over a decade advising soccer leagues such as FIFA (Federation Internationale de Football Association) and UEFA (Union of European Football Association), will take on the role of interim league commissioner. gg no re fellas..

There's 0 google hits on this guy's name, except a lawyer, or the hits from the WESA founding from today. No linked in account, no nothing. A ghost is just the guy you need if you're gonna get that sick skrilla under the table XD

You can do all of those things without having your fingers up assholes, ESL. GPDA, major sports Player Associations in NA, etc. They all do their work by having zero involvement with leagues or sanctioning bodies at an administrative or financial level. This is just a moneygrab and a control play. I hope it dies and a genuine player's association comes along to make sure it never happens again.

2016-05-13 17:53

+1 They only put out the player association argument and how they care about players as a front.

2016-05-13 18:29

+1 this is just a move from ESL to control the market even more. It's time that some players took initiative and started a player union of sorts to prevent these big companies from ruining the scene.

2016-05-13 21:54

If the image of a piramid explaining how something works its not a bad sign, nothis else is. RIP CSGO, CGS all over again.

2016-05-13 17:54

uk scene top, so fuck all you other cunts.

nt tho but no

wow! dont care i just wanna play the game

So this is like Kespa of Starcraft. Worth a shot I guess but I don't think this will last all long.

g2 IS SPAIN WAT A

2016-05-13 17:59

2016-05-13 18:00

This shouldn't have any ties to ESL

bottom 5 infographic of all time?

2016-05-13 18:02

Csgo on tilt

2016-05-13 18:07

is this something like UEFA? is it any good?

RIP MLG :(

2016-05-13 18:10

finally, hopefully ESL has nothing to do with this. edit: so wait, its owned by ESL?

2016-05-13 18:11

haha yes its owned by esl and 4 of the board memebers is working for ESL

ahahaha Edit: When something bad happens to the scene you just know its ESL. That's #2 rule of cs

"With a Player Council sitting at the table with the rest of the decision makers, we're going to continue improve the tournament and league organization". A BIG improvment would be to unban the best NA players, and make the scene more competetive. #FREESWAG

money money money money, that's all i read

cancer

2016-05-13 18:19

Yay

and soon ESL will own all of csgo wit their industry leading

some old people sat together one day and 1 said "i heard competetive computer games bring millions of viewers, time to make money"

This a orgs association, players will have a council and a limited say on everything. The board have NIP and Fnatic CEO's and two guys from ESL plus the Commissioner, this is not a players association and by the way is made if an org drops their team players will lose his place and the org will still be on WESA anyway. It's not a exclusivity league, but over time it will try to make an exclusive enviroment for teams. Filling up the schedule with ESL and Dreamhack (both owned by the same company) tournaments, slowly trying to make leagues outside WESA less relevant and keep top tier competition under their shadow. If succeed it will kill the diversity we have today. It will close doors for teams trying to rise to the top and money hungry orgs will become more relevant than players, keeping their spot at leagues no matter what players they have. This could be inmensely disruptive in so many ways to the scene, with barely any positive game-changing stuff coming out of it.

2016-05-13 18:24

I don't like it. Talk about putting on handcuffs on players, "You can't play that tournament, we own you." Hrmpf...

This is a sad sad day for CS:GO

fnatic in the org free cheat ezzzz

vp russia xd

didnt understand

Is it some sort of mafia? Don ESL must be happy now

2016-05-13 18:31

Expect the same from mlg/blizzard/activions in the next month. They wont let a competitor set the rules for them

#freefxy0 #freethethrowers

nice.

Very sad :( Look what happen with other games (lol), team above players When just few people do something like this :c. Goodbye cs, you will be Just as football it is now, a big and boring sport, but hey everyone gonna have money :)) One organization doing all = bad cuz their are the boss, if someone don't agree, your problem, bye. A lot doing events = improve their event to get more money. If someone don't agree, you don't need go to the event cuz gonna have other, and other, and other :)) Rip cs, rip this feeling, rip this excitement Sry for the english

2016-05-13 18:41

The teams that are part of WESA will be allowed to participate in tournaments, leagues and offline events that are not sanctioned by the federation, provided that their schedules "have been balanced prior to today's announcement." not one organisation is doing everything, as long as the teams have told WESA about their schedule, and as long as their schedule doesn't conflict with WESA events. unless I'm missing something here. and also, valve should still have the power over the game unlike FIFA who had huge amounts of power over football. although I don't like the idea that ESL seem to be monopolising the top orgs. I really hope that eSports doesn't turn into the shitshow that football was with FIFA not so long ago.

2016-05-13 18:49

For now, just for now Lets say that in te future, we gonna have 20 teams, you really think that they will hear 20 players? With the time, they will try do, in name of the security of players they will say Welcome to the world business, when they say something pretty to fuck you :)) Man, instead of this, if all events now, they ask the players what they want/like/need, we stay okay. Again, if someone don't agree, he don't need to be in the fucking event, but with this in the future they will have to Just like lol, footbal, orgs > players

2016-05-13 18:56

I agree. it seems like ESL are making the teams follow a specific set of rules to gain power, and when someone doesn't agree with these rules, they can't speak out because they're in an association like ESL. scary when you think that a scummy company like ESL has so much power all of a sudden in eSports. I really hope that valve show that they have power over this game and not ESL.

2016-05-13 19:01

Teams are org+players, on WESA the members are the teams and ESL (2 from each on the board plus the commissioner) and the players only have a council. If per example VP drops his team tomorrow, Neo, TaZ and Co. would see the exit door and VP will still be on WESA. There is obvious reasons why that's really bad for CS, since players will only have a really limited say and could suffer greatly if they go against orgs say. WESA puts players on a really bad situation, today it doesn't matter if you leave an org, the org drops you or you decide to go for a different one. But under WESA tournament spots are given to orgs and not a core of players than stay togheter as we saw until now.

you make a good point. because the 'governing body' consists of ESL and the orgs, those companies will get to make basically all the decisions about what happens, and if the players get very little say then CS is in a really bad situation. especially as this council decides player transfers. Also, I dislike how 8 orgs get to make decisions on things like player transfers. That basically gives them all the power to pick up the best players before the smaller orgs can, and perhaps stops players from deciding what org they'd like to go to.

2016-05-13 19:08

The funny part is, VALVe/Activision/blizzard can destroy this org in a single email, hey esl you cant no more any of ours licensed game for your league, rip esl/wesa prime league

2016-05-13 18:40

unban iBP pls

#freeibp

Fnatic not Austrailan right now?

UK top 3

uk scene Kappa

2016-05-13 18:44

"The goal is to bring harmony to a "crowded esports ecosystem"" basically a monopoly i do not like this

Lol isnt a federation like this supposed to be an unbiased third party ?? ESL just trying to fuck everything up

no regulatory body is ever unbiased

True but at least it shouldn't be owned by an event org

2016-05-13 20:02

exactly

2016-05-13 20:33

Im just here to gain 25 replies boys

2016-05-13 18:57

f u c k t h i s n o i s e

2016-05-13 18:59

Players will be represented in WESA by a Player Council, which will be working actively on a number of important topics, "such as league policies, rulesets, player transfers and more," The council gets to decide player transfers???? rip esports

Valve should atleast say something or else ESL will fuck up everything.

2016-05-13 19:00

Rip astralis

EnVyUs NA?

NA org. always has been

2016-05-13 19:07

EnVyUs has always been a NA org.

2016-05-13 19:09

fun fact: the nV comes from founder stainVille's name

2016-05-14 05:53

This should be created and manged by players, managers and coaches (even Valve could get involved), just not the organizations who handle tournaments, teams and such. Corruption is unavoidable when they get involved..

2016-05-13 19:06

This is a cheaters Union. All teams have at least one cheater, expecting Luminosity to join pretty soon

everyone pray for valve to do something.

RIP CSGO eSports 2012-2016†

2017 ESL ONE Zimbabwe!

Can't tell if ESL or the UN, this is government levels of fuckery

2016-05-13 19:12

RIP esports, now only that 8 orgas will decide who will be winner of tournaments, and control transfers, betting sphere. It will destroy esports, not help

Does this mean league teams are bound to it in the long run? And will exclusively play in that one? Even if it's no league just yet.

2016-05-13 19:16

RIP, The explanations given pretty much mean 'More money to orgs and ESL'. Doubt this will have any positives for players or the scene in general.

It's like European Union of esports. Take from poor and give for rich

2016-05-13 19:18

Fok u, natus vincere

Fuck u Estonia

Why to fuck country, stupid rooskie? And how u see it? Do you wanna fuck the ground or what?

2016-05-14 19:14

Hahaha só stupid Pitiraiski So Portugues burro de merda hahaha Lololol Navi top 1 and you are nothing, gay

2016-05-14 20:39

Are u mad bro? Cuz i'm not

2016-05-15 10:55

looks like a pyramid scheme lmao

And now CS became LoL but with ESL instead of riot

2016-05-13 19:28

Looking BAD

major at the end of this year to be ESL One Qatar 2016 confirmed I guess

2016-05-13 19:31

The downfall of esports begins

2016-05-13 19:39

wow this is shit

2016-05-13 19:44

Still remember ESL CSGO team ranking, that was complete bullshit

2016-05-13 19:53

FNATIC ENGLAND FLAG L;IOLLL

2016-05-13 19:54

Yes, organisation flag, not roster. Is Virtus Pro roster Russian? Is FaZe roster American? Is G2 roster spanish? Is NV roster American? Is NaVi roster Ukrainian since there are 2 ukrainians 2 russians 1 slovak?

2016-05-14 17:36

Navi had always a Ukrainian Flag :p I know that its the flag of the organisation.

2016-05-14 22:34

No, they have had the CIS flage for a long time now

2016-05-14 23:12

What does mean this? WESA could end like FIFA? End of electronic sports? Sad, pretty much like disappointed.

Someone please explain what this is?

2016-05-13 19:58

hltv.org/blog/11834-why-do-we-need-wesa

2016-05-13 20:04

"For the first time in the history of esports, players will come together to organize themselves, and that will enable all of us to get a real say in decisions that directly influence us. Guess history didn't have G7 then or DEU...

Illuminati confirmed?

2016-05-13 20:01

2016-05-13 20:36

2016-05-13 20:03

RIP CS RIGGED MATCHES INC

2016-05-13 20:10

first time i see uk flag in fnatic name xD EZ FOR UK

2016-05-13 20:13

No corruption please!

so wtf is this ?

2016-05-13 20:38

fnatic's flag?

2016-05-13 20:54

Founded in Australia but headquartered in London so British flag.

2016-05-14 05:51

thx

2016-05-14 07:53

Please Valve come in and say fuck you ESL this isn't happening.

2016-05-13 21:02

Fuck... R.I.P CS:GO!! VALVE WE NEED YOU PLS! DO SOMETHING NOW!!!

fuck right off

2016-05-13 21:10

let 13/05/16 be the day that CS:GO was officially destroyed by ESL. light a candle for the CS scene if ESL is allowed to monopolise the scene [*]

2016-05-13 21:22

Fucks sake esl, you are the shittest tournament organiser ever, fuck off you cunts

fuck. you. "wesa"

good idea. Something like ATP in tennis would be nice to see also in esports. We need an official team ranking and event calendar too.

2016-05-13 21:41

reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/4j.. LOL, GG ESL Just what we needed, a corrupt FIFA advisor.

2016-05-13 21:48

SirScoots saying teams were paid $150k each to buy into this whole thing. Thorin was on point, these guys are sacrificing the long term stature of the game for short term monetary gain.

2016-05-13 21:53

uk scene EleGiggle oh wait fnatic

good, i needed a reason to stop following csgo esports, i already wasted too much time watching events

fuck esl

2016-05-13 22:10

Bullshit. Hope this goes down as well much like their shitty ranking system they introduced few months ago

Decisions like that always sound ambitious and feel like they can change the world for better. But that only happens in the books. When you realize how dumb we human species are still, all dreams fade away....

rip CS go fuck yourself ESL, leave us alone already

2016-05-13 22:42

wesa aka fifa 2.0

2016-05-13 22:56

ESL trying to be a government? wtf fuck that

2016-05-13 23:02

#FuckWESA

2016-05-13 23:13

so fucking shady

2016-05-13 23:39

Isn't fnatic originaly from Australia?

2016-05-14 00:03

originaly

2016-05-14 00:06

Interesting thing to remember is that, unlike traditional sports, CS is owned by valve and they have the ultimate say over how their game is used. So even wesa will have to bow to them. Also for once Thorin got a prediction right gg

Maybe finally we will get a 'institution' that can handle the 'chaos' and make some restrictions about everything like precautions and measurements at majors to prevent somebody from potential cheating. CS is growing up and it was just a matter of time.

2016-05-14 01:02

sorry but i cant figure out how in any way this can be something good. cs go has been growing a lot these past few years without your so called 'institution'. valve is doing something against cheating - sure its a bad job, but at least the competitive and pro scene in this game are healthy

2016-05-14 01:20

Define healthy. I wouldn't be so sure saying that pro scene is healthy. Yeah, sure you are thinking that I think that they are cheating, nah this my thread from today about it hltv.org/forum/1146977-proof-that-pros-a.. Just to be sure that you won't think like that. Perhaps your right, we don't such an org in CS GO but who knows? It is good right as it is now, maybe it will be even better because of it? I`m not closed-minded to think that it will be good in 100%. But It can't really destroy everything right?... Or it can?... We have to wait a bit a then judge them.

2016-05-14 01:26

not everything revolves around cheating mate. in fact cheating is the minor problem here. what i mean when i say healthy is that smaller teams have the chance to actually compete in tournaments and become one of the top tier. with the addition of this, you will basically have more and more less tournaments to compete in, leading to smaller tournament organizers basically dieing and no competition at all. of course its hard for a new team to rise and actually get to the top but thats what has always been interesting about cs. it has such a great competitive environment. not to mention about how this league system runs if im going to talk about this more deeply

2016-05-14 01:40

You`re right, I`ve just read the Nomand blog about it and it has changed my view on this matter. Now, after some thinking and good arguments I can agree with you that it will rather damage the scene opposite to intention.

2016-05-14 01:44

wow an hltv user who admitted on being wrong and actually switched some well structured arguments with me without flaming me. props to you mate

2016-05-14 01:46

I`m not a 'typical' HLTV user, I can distinguish good and bad arguments. As I told you before, I`m not close-minded as unfortunately majority here. I prefer to DEBATE about things without flaming each other.

2016-05-14 01:50

this shit sounds bad. hell diversity in this game is what made it great, this "players association" is just some made up bullshit to develop a league, where money-hungry orgs will stay in the top and getting money from tournaments no matter which players they have. fuck this shits bad, if it moves forward it will completely ruin this game and the free scene with equal rights for every player we have now will be gone

2016-05-14 01:17

this org looks strange w/o software companies involved. its like wesa tries to steal something from them. dont think that players gonna benefit from it either. obviosly only retired or having nothing to do players can be in the council as others have a game to play. and having lots of lawyers and rules just adds to this grim picture

2016-05-14 03:08

Making shit over complicated right now.

2016-05-14 03:37

They are killing e-sports slowly with this kind of things...

2016-05-14 03:48

who cares? money laundring org

2016-05-14 05:20

remind me of the CGS..

2016-05-14 07:55

wtf envyus with america flag

2016-05-14 09:11

Team EnVyUs is an American eSports organization who picked up a french CS:GO team.

2016-05-14 13:23

envyus the american org but players they are french faggots

2016-05-14 17:34

You think Fnatic is Brittish? G2 Spanish? FaZe american? Virtus Pro russian? It's the organisation flag, you idiot

turn your brain on t-shirt

2016-05-17 13:16

EnVyUs he is the north american org but the team he is the french stars

2016-05-18 11:36

Fuck this

2016-05-14 10:06

i love all the negative comments. So...what are you planning to do abt it? Yes its bad and we can all go fuck mtg, turtle, esl or whatever the fuck these money grabbing assholes call themselves...but its all forgotten in a few days... Same as asking for better and transparant anti cheat measures at majors. It only becomes the hot topic whenever a player holds his aimkey too long, after 3 days its forgotten They have control and they will do whatever the fuck they want with the csgo scene

2016-05-14 12:11

hope they really dont try to own the whole scene

2016-05-14 15:38