Valve to limit coach communication

Striker
August 17th, 2016 18:37

According to an e-mail sent out by ESL to select professional teams, Valve have set a new rule limiting coach communication during matches at Valve-sponsored events, which ESL have introduced into their ruleset as well.

According to the e-mail, Valve currently see coaches as a sixth player rather than a "source of guidance or training", which led them to a decision to limit coach communication during matches.

From now on, coaches will only be able to communicate with their players during warmup, half-time breaks and newly introduced four, 30-second timeouts per map.

ESL have decided to copy the rule into their offline events, which will be in place for the first time at ESL One New York, taking place from September 30 to October 2.

Such a rule will severely limit teams who use coaches as in-game leaders, as is the case with Natus Vincere, NiP, Liquid, mousesports, FaZe and more.

The full explanation looks as follows:

"With unrestricted communication with their players, coaches can currently function as a sixth player, and not solely as a source of guidance or training. Activities such as keeping track of the economy, calling plays, and general situational awareness are important components of CS gameplay. If a person is performing these actions, we consider them a player.

Since the goal of our events is to identify the best five-player CS teams that exhibit the best combination of all CS skills, the current participation of coaches in the game is not compatible with that goal. To address this problem, future Valve sponsored events will enforce the following coaching rules:

  • During a match, the coach may only communicate with the players during warmup, half-time, or during one of four 30 second timeouts that the coach or player can call.
Obviously, third party events can use whatever rules they want but if you want to align your events with ours then we recommend using this coaching rule.
Ido Magal"
Fucking valve lmao
2016-08-17 18:38
That is such a bullshit
2016-08-17 19:01
The article read (In my head), Valve Makes Another Arbitrary Change Which Hurts Game Play for Pros. If everyone has the opportunity to have a coach, then no one has an advantage over another team. Next step, players can only communicate with suggestive eye contact or their keyboard.
2016-08-17 20:41
Ikr they fucked up yet again smh
2016-08-17 19:14
Sssh.. Valve are listening.. :)
2016-08-17 19:18
Yeah this is fucking bullshit. Valve is slowly destroying this game
2016-08-17 19:19
Why it seems like a good move If a coach is telling his players what is going to happen, if a team is saving, or where players are, then the players have less to do. "Since the goal of our events is to identify the best five-player CS teams that exhibit the best combination of all CS skills"
2016-08-17 19:25
If you compare it with real sports its bullshit that it is removed. And further it gives a way better csgo experience since teams will play more tactical. Now it there will be less calls made and there will be more simple executes and defence set ups made.
2016-08-17 19:46
Tell me a sport where the coach has radio equipment? If the players in team sports like football could hear their coach as well as in CS, they would make the same rule, I think.
2016-08-18 08:22
Most sports they don't need a radio connection, they just say/shout instructions to the team. But, American Football. Coach has a direct radio connection the helmet of the quarterback. So your point is invalid.
2016-08-18 18:55
One thing is for the coach to shout instructions at his team, another is to have a calm line of communication to give information about positions of enemies and friends, time to travel distances by using the map, calculating economy for both teams etc. by a sixth person, who does not have to focus on the gameplay itself. That's why they want several small timeouts for the coaches to use wisely. Both ways are good ways, but I understand why the game should be centered on a 5-man team and their overall complete understanding of the game, and not 5 aimers and a brain.
2016-08-18 19:22
But 4 times a 30 sec timeout is boring.. It makes the game so slow. Same with the half hours breaks between switching sides.
2016-08-20 19:30
I don't think 4x30 secs would be boring. The +5 "technical" pauses is what's killing the mood for me. admin: problem? player: teamspeak biggest lie in CS
2016-08-21 10:00
braking the game 1 update at a time
2016-08-17 19:41
#540
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Europe m9_ 
put on the brakes bitch
2016-08-17 20:28
Lol wat? This is awesome. Teams actually need an igl again. Afterall its 5 player team, not 6.
2016-08-17 23:05
#446
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Brazil Marcola 
Volvo is killing cs
2016-08-17 19:41
#537
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Europe m9_ 
valve is so fucking retarded they legit are fucking up the game SO MUCH recently lol, jesus christ if csgo doesnt die bc people lose interest they'll fucking kill it by making it too retarded to even enjoy like no coach? quarterbacks fucking have mics in their helmets and they talk to coaches after every play. now they do this to cs? its just retarded it doesnt align with real sports at all not to mention it makes csgo even gayer like having a coach there at all times improves the quality of the game by giving us better cs to watch, fuck valve lmao
2016-08-17 20:27
Its not real sports, its a computer game. Besides, thats whole fucking different thing. This is more likely a chess coach telling the player what to do lol. This update is awesome. No more 6-man teams.
2016-08-17 23:06
RIP fnaitc now...
2016-08-17 20:28
#3
sergej | 
Finland Sukrami 
What the actual f*ck Valve?
2016-08-17 18:37
well its a 5v5 game not a 6v6
2016-08-17 18:48
+1 there should be no coach
2016-08-17 18:55
All fucking team sports have a coach so why not?
2016-08-17 18:56
+1 but valve should have introduced this rule way earlier. now it fucks over many teams
2016-08-17 19:48
true. i really agree with valve, so many teams didn't even have an IGL anymore but teams like NaVi will be fucked. If they had stopped this when it was becoming a trend, this wouldn't have been such a major change
2016-08-18 17:25
#288
Elvis | 
Libya sleksi 
just like football is 11v11 not a 12v12 fucking joke
2016-08-17 19:00
i are think that the coach doesnt play the game just make the call and help with tactics and other shits
2016-08-17 19:31
#451
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Denmark RandomDane 
But In football the coach, af least On lower level competetion, he Can stand and yells the shit of Them.
2016-08-17 19:44
even in high level the coach can stand and yells what i tried to say this new rule is a shit bcuz i dont see any problem to have a coach to help the team. valve should worry about the hackers instead this crap.
2016-08-17 20:16
#573
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Denmark RandomDane 
I just Think at High level they Cannot hear him tho xD i just know its possible on a semi Pro level since my dad is coach On that level :D
2016-08-17 20:51
at pro level they definitely can hear them and the coach can always call a player over to give instructions and then that player distributes the instructions to the rest of the team. In American Football the coaches have 2 way radio with the Quarterback. The best analogy though is, in basketball the Coach calls plays to the Point Guard (the IGL) who then executes them and calls defensive setups.
2016-08-18 18:59
#734
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Denmark RandomDane 
Dunno about that tho. I don't follow football, beside I sometimes watch my dad. :p
2016-08-18 19:03
And in some cases, it could be a 6v5, not all teams have coaches, Valve did the right move.
2016-08-17 19:01
every team can have coach if want to. so is to blame the team with no coach as their own fault. wrong move from valve
2016-08-17 19:04
applying the same logic: every team can have a IGL player if they want to.
2016-08-17 19:20
i agree.
2016-08-17 19:56
Coach doesn't play, he should be allowed to talk to his team whenever he wants, like in most other sports.
2016-08-17 19:08
#343
s1mple | 
Bangladesh balti 
"not all teams have coaches" and?
2016-08-17 19:11
If I made a team with 3 of my friends and started playing competitively. We play against a 5 man team so its 4v5. As the captain I complain to the tourney organiser: "This is so unfair! We're playing 4v5 which is an unfair advantage for the other team!!!!" That's essentially what youre saying.
2016-08-17 19:21
+1 Because you've chosen to not get yourself a coach, as any half decent pro team could easily do, you cant whine when you're not receiving its benefits (or ex-benefits now)
2016-08-18 00:44
wtf, but any sport works with a coach, its not like the coach is a big deal ROFL. If u think that way , than soccer is 20v20 because all teams have coach and sub coaches and techinal support team
2016-08-17 19:20
Don't be stupid. If team don't use coach as IGL it's simply because they don't want too.
2016-08-17 19:23
+1
2016-08-17 19:54
6v5 on some cases. This update is awesome.
2016-08-17 23:07
Imo this is fucking great. This is how its supposed to be. Dunno who the fuck came up with calling coaches in the first place.
2016-08-17 23:08
#4
GeT_RiGhT | 
Sweden gigal 
Shit, That sucks. Will make it hard for teams to uses coaches as an IGL.
2016-08-17 18:38
#36
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Spain thinkii 
1 xD
2016-08-17 18:37
impossible you mean.
2016-08-17 18:42
#342
s1mple | 
United States DiamTV 
Won't be impossible with 4 time outs, just call a strst to repeat untill you loose maybe 2 in a row, call a timeout amd call out the strats for the next few rounds untill you loose 2 in a row, repeat
2016-08-17 19:11
#382
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United States destrossive 
you realize that if you loose 2 rounds you can throw away an entire map? 16-14 confirmed
2016-08-17 19:19
#386
s1mple | 
United States DiamTV 
Im with you, i didnt say it was perfect, but you cant say it isnt possible, no one knows how big of a change this will have untill it happens.
2016-08-17 19:19
Thats the whole point idiot
2016-08-17 18:50
#254
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United Kingdom NoelG 
No shit sherlock, good fucking spot there mate
2016-08-17 18:55
RiP NiP, Liquid (maybe) and NAVI (lol just got rid of IGL)
2016-08-17 18:59
#480
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Germany PhoenixD!!! 
starix was their ingame leader but ok
2016-08-17 19:56
if Na`Vi didn't kick Zeus they could have had very good IGL. that's what the guy means.
2016-08-17 23:24
But in all honesty, I believe that s1mple is good enough to out aim people so he is still a big upgrade over zeus
2016-08-18 06:40
rip liquid and c9
2016-08-17 18:58
Now c9 needs to bring back Slemmy lol
2016-08-17 19:46
#6
suelo | 
Germany siN1337 
wut
2016-08-17 18:37
xD
2016-08-17 18:37
WHAT???
2016-08-17 18:38
saasd
2016-08-17 18:37
#10
BnTeT | 
Other TEEZY 
lol wtf why would they do this, makes no sense to me
2016-08-17 18:38
Its good for teams that cant afford paid coaches that always comes with the team.
2016-08-17 18:46
read? "With unrestricted commuinication with their players, coaches can currently function as a sixth player, and not solely as a source of guidance or training"
2016-08-17 18:50
#290
BnTeT | 
Other TEEZY 
"read" I RED IT, IT SILL MAKES NO SENSE TO ME, NOW TEAMS CAN'T USE THEIR COACH AS SHOT CALLER ANYMORE
2016-08-17 19:00
THATS THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT
2016-08-17 19:04
#315
BnTeT | 
Other TEEZY 
YES I KNOW, BUT AS I SAID, THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.
2016-08-17 19:05
its a 5v5 game, why would a team be able to outsource a role in the team to a person who is not physically in the game
2016-08-17 19:08
#354
BnTeT | 
Other TEEZY 
facebook.com/pythofficial/posts/94415184.. even a pro has the same opinion, i dont think i need to argument anymore, k thx bye.
2016-08-17 19:14
and a pros single opinion matters in what way? is finding someone else having the same opinion somehow a reason not to present counterarguments now?
2016-08-17 19:16
again: how is this a counter argument?
2016-08-17 19:17
#393
BnTeT | 
Other TEEZY 
again: i dont need to argument anymore, even the pro's say its bullshit. bye.
2016-08-17 19:20
the pros you are choosing relies on their coach, olofmeister in fnatic (vuggo), pyth in nip (threat). making their opinion inherenty biased. this is a good change, i was worried that the players in the game will just be aimbots controlled by a puppeteer.
2016-08-18 19:04
I sort of agree with this or at least understand why someone would want it this way, but they fucked up by allowing the other way to begin with and for so long. Now many teams are fucked by basing their team comp around the other rule.
2016-08-17 19:26
#420
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France Kairos1g 
football is a 11vs11 game and the coached can interact
2016-08-17 19:29
so can the cs coach with the new rules. does a football coach specifically call tactics in real time? no. so fuck off with that analogy
2016-08-17 19:30
#427
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France Kairos1g 
not exactly tactics but he 100% can tell the players how to place themselves during the game so I'm sticking with that analogy
2016-08-17 19:32
that analogy is still faulty, no matter if youre sticking to it or not. a football coach doesnt have the real-time impact on the actions of the team that a cs coach has if the team uses him as IGL instead of one of the players
2016-08-17 19:33
it makes sense ONLY IF YOU READ IT
2016-08-17 18:53
#297
BnTeT | 
Other TEEZY 
"read" I RED IT, IT SILL MAKES NO SENSE TO ME, NOW TEAMS CAN'T USE THEIR COACH AS SHOT CALLER ANYMORE
2016-08-17 19:01
did you actually just correct read with red???? please stop speaking english
2016-08-17 20:40
#582
BnTeT | 
Other TEEZY 
no i didnt, i just misspelled it, i wrote "read" because they said "read it"
2016-08-17 21:03
#362
BnTeT | 
Other TEEZY 
facebook.com/pythofficial/posts/94415184.. even a pro has the same opinion, i dont think i need to argument anymore, k thx bye.
2016-08-17 19:15
#11
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Finland kimi__ 
gg
2016-08-17 18:37
wtf
2016-08-17 18:37
CS is going to be very interesting in the next few months. Everything is going to change, I cant wait to see how teams will go at the major early 2017. Godsent are set off to a good start! SK going to be OP!
2016-08-17 18:38
+1 i actually think that this is more sport-like than anything.
2016-08-17 22:34
#18
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Estonia Rebae 
FUCK THIS SHIT
2016-08-17 18:37
lol
2016-08-17 18:37
lol rip starix
2016-08-17 18:38
ye that was my first thought
2016-08-17 18:55
If guardian don't perfome starix will replace him
2016-08-17 23:19
gg
2016-08-17 18:37
#23
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Brazil spaark1 
what
2016-08-17 18:37
wut
2016-08-17 18:37
#25
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United States Drifter808 
RIPquid
2016-08-17 18:37
old news
2016-08-17 18:37
gg
2016-08-17 18:37
#34
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Finland terquie 
rip liquid
2016-08-17 18:37
lol
2016-08-17 18:37
expected
2016-08-17 18:37
#39
NiKo | 
Albania swikzie 
?
2016-08-17 18:37
Fucking worst idea ever lmao
2016-08-17 18:37
whyyy?
2016-08-17 18:37
#43
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Norway v3nz 
sad
2016-08-17 18:37
#44
JW | 
Sweden reverentan 
retarded valve
2016-08-17 18:37
#45
Sweden qgh 
really? fuck off...
2016-08-17 18:37
RIP HAAHA
2016-08-17 18:37
#47
gas | 
Korea kaiske10v 
I actually prefer this, ingame leader is cool
2016-08-17 18:37
"best ifve-player CS " typoo
2016-08-17 18:38
LUL
2016-08-17 18:38
Stupid!
2016-08-17 18:38
#54
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Sweden FZX 
retarded valve strikes again....
2016-08-17 18:38
why
2016-08-17 18:38
fking valve
2016-08-17 18:38
valve thinking its soccer lol..
2016-08-17 18:38
Football
2016-08-17 18:40
Fùtbol
2016-08-17 19:05
lol I was joking though
2016-08-17 19:49
Football
2016-08-17 18:49
football
2016-08-17 18:54
Futbol
2016-08-17 18:57
#452
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Portugal dracø 
Even in football coaches can interact with players, they often sit in the line correcting players positioning or calling for the lines to push forward or withdraw to their own area
2016-08-17 19:45
#530
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Finland D3dust 
jalkapallo
2016-08-17 20:24
Valve is so freakin stupid!
2016-08-17 18:38
lol volvo did it again!
2016-08-17 18:38
gj, no more coach based teams
2016-08-17 18:38
#62
Germany ynck 
"best ifve-player CS "
2016-08-17 18:38
#64
rain | 
Lithuania Lu/K/G 
volvo pls
2016-08-17 18:38
arch#1
2016-08-17 18:38
#66
KIZMO | 
Finland kizmo 
Rip faze
2016-08-17 18:38
Jesus Christ valve stop please
2016-08-17 18:38
rip nip
2016-08-17 18:38
Cs:Go is dead
2016-08-17 18:38
five* FFS
2016-08-17 18:38
WTF VALVE
2016-08-17 18:38
NO MORE CROWD CHEATING RIP SK [*]
2016-08-17 18:38
#75
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Finland Choco! 
wtf is volvo doing?
2016-08-17 18:38
RiP NiP
2016-08-17 18:38
best ifve-player
2016-08-17 18:38
#78
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Germany Bennime 
i kinda like it, it brings the igl back.
2016-08-17 18:38
I think it's good! gg
2016-08-17 18:38
#80
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United Kingdom Isquashua 
I think the game should be played by the players not spectators
2016-08-17 18:38
shame shame shame
2016-08-17 18:38
RETARD ALERT
2016-08-17 18:38
Makes sense.
2016-08-17 18:38
#84
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Ukraine gungrave 
RIP NaVi
2016-08-17 18:39
Previously, they had zeus with starix, and it wouldn't be such as problem, but now...
2016-08-17 20:28
#86
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Slovakia montty 
or during ONE of four 30 second timeouts. . so coach will be able to talk only once?
2016-08-17 18:39
#184
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Peru 2loro2 
No, each team can do Four 30sec timeouts so if both teams use their are atmost Eight timeouts in one game, they use to be 2 timeouts in one game for atleast 2mins but it's different. Tbh i don't like the new rule but since coaches can talk during any teams timeout, it shouldn't be so stupid. That means the coaches can talk during all 8 timeouts and halftime break and warm up. So players like Guardian, Xizt,Kio Niko or denis, nothing have to do a little bit more igl.
2016-08-17 18:45
#236
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Slovakia montty 
Well here is hiko talking about it twitch.tv/hiko/v/84109266 3:36:34 and he says its only one when coach can talk
2016-08-17 18:52
#245
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Peru 2loro2 
no he misunderstood.
2016-08-17 18:54
It would be funny, if they wouldn't allow enemy team's coach to talk if they didn't call a timeout :D
2016-08-17 19:55
#579
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Argentina sebaxinho 
? it clearly says coach can talk in one out of the four timeouts.
2016-08-17 20:59
#605
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Peru 2loro2 
It clealy doesn't lol, learn english friend. Unless you're a dumb american fakeFlagger
2016-08-17 21:47
#741
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Argentina sebaxinho 
0/8 bait
2016-08-19 03:13
ifve Kappa
2016-08-17 18:39
Looks like NiKo will be IGL again 4Head
2016-08-17 18:39
good
2016-08-17 18:39
rip navi ahaha -zeus
2016-08-17 18:39
rip english
2016-08-17 18:39
The guys name is Ido xD
2016-08-18 19:02
K then valve, could you please stay away from the game we love, it seems that everytime you open your mouth its some new shitty rule. STOP RUINING OUR GAME
2016-08-17 18:39
This isn't a bad rule though. It makes a lot of sense actually.
2016-08-17 18:42
How, there are just adding more pauses which means that momentum based teams, will have less of a chance to get the ball rolling, it destroys the plow and it really limits coaches roles. So badly so that most teams probably won't even offer the money it costs to have a coach full time.
2016-08-17 18:45
What sense?
2016-08-17 18:50
That the coaches aren't the fucking igls.
2016-08-17 18:54
This is a huge change.
2016-08-17 18:39
so fucking retarded lmao
2016-08-17 18:39
rip
2016-08-17 18:39
are valve retard ?
2016-08-17 18:39
#99
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Malta WATSKy 
lol... i do not agree with it
2016-08-17 18:39
should only be 2 timeouts, 1 per half
2016-08-17 18:39
Rip NA'Vi
2016-08-17 18:39
This has lifted a concern I had that eventually CS would transition in coaches calling all the time for the players in-game thus in my mind lowering the skill,knowledge and game sense needed for this game.Alongside other problems Valve have with majors this is a step up.
2016-08-17 18:40
Only smart guy here, i had the exact same feeling. Pro games seemed different since coaches took over.
2016-08-17 18:40
+1 :)
2016-08-17 19:01
+1
2016-08-17 18:41
#347
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Argentina tinchOO 
Yeah pretty much this.
2016-08-17 19:13
+1
2016-08-17 19:28
too right mate. coach still able to communicate during warmup, halftime break, n 30 sec break. so not a problem
2016-08-18 11:27
Good job valve, players should require gamesense and be able to do mid round calls
2016-08-17 18:40
#210
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Poland Sueyy 
Someone with Brain...
2016-08-17 18:48
#462
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Brazil wAc 
+1
2016-08-17 19:49
#105
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Croatia mds818 
Valve-LETS DESTROY CS:GO feat. professional scene.
2016-08-17 18:40
ahahaha
2016-08-17 18:40
good change actually
2016-08-17 18:40
#110
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Israel Kryst1 
VALVE WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.. COACH BECAME USELESS
2016-08-17 18:40
+1
2016-08-17 18:40
at this poimt im thinking valve just wanna kill CSGO lmao, remove skin betting, not allowing coach to do they job, they even get shit majors for CSGO if you compare with other esports
2016-08-17 18:40
DEAD VALVE
2016-08-17 18:40
#114
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France StickyRice 
Good news, ban coaches now, these guys just have a fake job and aren't useful at all. They just cost money to organizations which makes harder for these organizations to reach financial sustainability.
2016-08-17 18:40
End The International, then come back to CS:GO and drop shit all over us.
2016-08-17 18:40
#116
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Peru 2loro2 
Whats next valve how about we remove the m4s ak47 and awp, so that everyone can use other weapons rather then those 3. +bump my idea guys?
2016-08-17 18:40
#118
Snax | 
Poland Mval 
wow
2016-08-17 18:40
NaVi BibleThump
2016-08-17 18:40
RIP NaVi
2016-08-17 18:40
Rip NiP, Na'Vi, Liquid, FaZe
2016-08-17 18:41
Well, at least volvo didn't forget CSGO as esport
2016-08-17 18:41
+1
2016-08-17 19:17
good call
2016-08-17 18:41
#128
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Serbia Svipke 
It looks like majority of PRO players cannot differentiate between COACH and PLAYER. Coach is there to help, to assist you with your game in overall way. Players are there to make small decision during the action. If you cannot have an IGL in your 5 man team, then you really deserve to be bad.
2016-08-17 18:41
#152
hypn | 
Serbia hypn` 
+1
2016-08-17 18:42
+1
2016-08-17 18:46
+1
2016-08-17 18:51
+1 well said.
2016-08-17 18:58
Agree with that gotta admit
2016-08-17 19:02
+1
2016-08-17 19:29
but dude fuck valve always doing dumb shit fucking valve lets all be mad for no reason!!!!!!!
2016-08-17 19:32
#129
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Netherlands PinheadFTW 
RIP NaVi with Starix as IGL :(
2016-08-17 18:41
#131
cyx | 
Russia Juse 
The game is for 5 people, not for 6. Who could lead the team and play at the same time would win the game. Smart desicion by valve.
2016-08-17 18:41
I'm with you, but if they'd add max 30secs in game, then later erase in game time communication, would be a better form to transition
2016-08-17 18:46
#132
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Other StraightEdge 
RIP vuggo
2016-08-17 18:41
Are valve trying to destroy CS?
2016-08-17 18:41
#134
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Slovakia Argait 
-rep volvo
2016-08-17 18:41
lol FU VALVE .....
2016-08-17 18:42
#136
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United Kingdom rhyho 
rip teams with coach igl
2016-08-17 18:42
rip navi
2016-08-17 18:42
#138
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Brazil BuddyINSANE 
RIP Coach in game leader! We smart, we loyal, we friendly, we are from BRAZIL!
2016-08-17 18:42
Great, more time-outs. ResidentSleeper
2016-08-17 18:42
fak
2016-08-17 18:42
Godsent for top 1
2016-08-17 18:42
#142
steel | 
Belarus Ruble 
Again retard volvo :DDDD These guys dont care about csgo
2016-08-17 18:42
retard volvo? Seems like u are the retarded one.
2016-08-17 19:00
as if the game isnt dying already bcuz of the gambling shit, now Valve making the experience for competitive players shit as well
2016-08-17 18:42
#146
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United States ShanksTD 
So Valve is actively trying to destroy the CS scene so they can focus on DOTA, right? They're not even trying to hide it at this point.
2016-08-17 18:42
+1 they care about money
2016-08-17 19:39
Not rly. They want to rise skill celling in this game.
2016-08-17 22:59
Then why the fuck they increase accuracy of AK/M4?
2016-08-18 07:54
When it comes to gameplay updates, they dont update this game only for competetive scene, they also do for 500k other players.
2016-08-18 16:24
Finally, useless job needs such a thing
2016-08-17 18:42
Rip Na'Vi
2016-08-17 18:42
Good news!
2016-08-17 18:42
best ifve-player
2016-08-17 18:43
If you want to be considered as sport, coaches should be allowed to talk to their team during matches. I'm actually ok with this new rule, but if they add a 30 or 20 secs per round (non stop, in game) would be enough.
2016-08-17 18:43
clueless retards
2016-08-17 18:43
#158
erkaSt | 
United Kingdom Lonom8 
Hopefully other tournaments don't follow these rules so then we can just ignore majors tbh
2016-08-17 18:43
and when i was thinking only hltv users are dumb af i was wrong
2016-08-17 18:43
[*] for NaVi RIP
2016-08-17 18:44
back to the roots :)
2016-08-17 18:44
rip peacemaker and shitquid
2016-08-17 18:44
I fear for NaVi and Liquid.
2016-08-17 18:44
rip liquid and nip
2016-08-17 18:44
very nice move, only retards complain
2016-08-17 18:44
Fuck you valve rip navi rip nip
2016-08-17 18:44
#169
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Germany uRaguuu 
ofc after sk´s coach left... fucking favela valve let sk cheat their ass off and after their coach left they nerf coaching so hard...
2016-08-17 18:44
#209
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Brazil mth^ 
Zews didnt even call for SK :> SK is little bit OP from now on xD
2016-08-17 18:48
+Zeus -s1mple in two weeks rip z1mppel
2016-08-17 18:44
#171
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Azerbaijan Talley 
Can't even talk during freeze time? Holy shit Valve is so dumb.
2016-08-17 18:44
fucking retarded, hopefully the CS scene dies.
2016-08-17 18:44
cmon valve ! First the bettings sites, now coach communication ? RIP CS ?
2016-08-17 18:44
#174
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Poland mamba99999 
Are they dumb ? I'd like to mention that starix is the ingame leader of IvAn...
2016-08-17 18:45
ok in all honesty. now teams are going to have to prepare more for events. I think a coach can still sorta igl. Maybe the coach calls the first 5 rounds before hand and then take first timeout to decide the nxt 5 etc etc..
2016-08-17 18:45
But can they limit the hitbox glitches tho ?!
2016-08-17 18:45
is that even a question?
2016-08-17 20:45
Lmfao I think I'm done with hltv for today.
2016-08-18 01:45
#177
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Ukraine AndriyK 
no more ghosting hehe
2016-08-17 18:45
#178
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Brazil Kohzito 
Fallen like this... New sounds, fucking coachs, ban betting > ban cheaters
2016-08-17 18:45
valve so stupid, omfg rip navi, faze, liquid
2016-08-17 18:46
PLACE TO LEAVE CANDLES FOR: NiP [*] Na'Vi [*] Liquid [*]
2016-08-17 18:45
Na'Vi [*]
2016-08-17 18:46
[*] feels especially bad for starix. him, threat and 2GD should make a club.
2016-08-17 19:34
Peace tho.... Liquid [*]
2016-08-17 20:59
xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2016-08-17 18:45
This ain't basketball homie, what the fk u trying to do.
2016-08-17 18:45
I like it.
2016-08-17 18:46
#187
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Israel Encryp7eD 
well valve.... another stupid decision...
2016-08-17 18:46
Finally some regulations in this matter. Don't know if for better tho :)
2016-08-17 18:46
#191
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Brazil mth^ 
this is SK ERA BOYS! lmao Everything is in favor of SK
2016-08-17 18:46
#193
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United Kingdom oyyrofl 
-friberg +threat
2016-08-17 18:46
fuck u valve. and ripfaze even more
2016-08-17 18:46
Rip faze Kio and aizy and the ones calling now. The coach is just there if they get into a situation that they can't fix.
2016-08-17 18:51
??????????????? What's next? Limit communication between players aswell? XDDDD
2016-08-17 18:48
#228
erkaSt | 
United Kingdom Lonom8 
'some people in mm dont talk so you have to use the preset chat features in majors' thank you my friend! Enemy spotted!
2016-08-17 18:51
#196
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Portugal raaVz 
RIPeacemaker Rip Starix Rip zoniac Rip Kuben Ez FalleN Ez Pronax
2016-08-17 18:46
why kuben? he's not igl
2016-08-18 01:12
#199
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Slovakia cheatersw0w 
Lmao valve...rip csgo rip pro scene
2016-08-17 18:47
O.o this has to be a joke...
2016-08-17 18:47
Wow, time to move to another game lol
2016-08-17 18:47
#202
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Japan Chii 
n1 volvo... so stupid
2016-08-17 18:47
Good decision.
2016-08-17 18:47
-Friberg +Threat pls At least Threat can calling, botberg is a waste of space
2016-08-17 18:47
Xizt will be igl again and he'll be bottom fragger, than friberg won't be that bad, Valve saved friberg
2016-08-17 19:09
#205
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Sweden hudgun 
RIP NAVI RIP LIQUID
2016-08-17 18:47
This is kind of like F1's retarded radio communication rules. Look how that turned out.
2016-08-17 18:47
this shit is awesome, im so proud of valve! fucking coaches go get another job if u cant play the game yourself. like seriously? Coaches in video games LMAO
2016-08-17 18:49
Coaches can say whatever they want in the 8 possible timeouts, so no it's not like F1
2016-08-17 19:57
Just when Na'vi kick their igl AYY :DD
2016-08-17 18:47
#208
dennis | 
Slovakia Jarci 
Lol looks like valve dont like navi
2016-08-17 18:48
W T F
2016-08-17 18:48
Rip Navi
2016-08-17 18:49
Lol Rip navi. -s1mple +Zeus :)
2016-08-17 18:49
#217
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Brazil MommyStealer 
nice . now igl function is more important
2016-08-17 18:49
gamechanger
2016-08-17 18:49
#220
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Italy 1257Legend 
Valve is desperate.
2016-08-17 18:49
rip csgo esport, now it's in decline for sure
2016-08-17 18:50
rip navi
2016-08-17 18:50
wtf y
2016-08-17 18:51
fucking retards
2016-08-17 18:51
Hahaha The list of fucked up teams: 1) Na`Vi 2) NiP 3) Liquid 4) fnatic (muhahahaha hello wenton & Lekr0) [*] Valve did it in a retarded way as usual. Just ban coaches from talking during rounds! Let them talk in freezetimes and after each round till the next round starts. Yeah, it's a sort of 6th player still, but now coaches are almost useless since who the fuck needs them if they can't really speak? Coaches in real sports can shout to their players during matches, why aren't CS:GO coaches allowed to do the same? Valve, shoot yourself for the sake of CS:GO.
2016-08-17 18:51
who is valve ? i only know volvo
2016-08-17 18:51
#234
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South Africa rdass99 
If they're gonna try make pro cs like matchmaking atleast give us 128 tick servers ffs.
2016-08-17 18:52
they should at least be able to speak during freeze? wtf.
2016-08-17 18:52
#237
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Lithuania Tomekas85 
ez
2016-08-17 18:52
now Na'Vi regrets kicking Zeus :)
2016-08-17 18:53
WUT LUUL
2016-08-17 18:53
whats the meaning of having a coach then? idiotic..
2016-08-17 18:53
this does not raise emotion within me, i'm neutral
2016-08-17 18:53
what a fucking joke
2016-08-17 18:54
WTF! Even though it does make sense and its used to be this way, but damn... I wonder what Thorin says in his upcoming video about this . . .
2016-08-17 18:54
valve fired litteraly seized aka Navi IGL +zeus new IGL -s1mpel get rekt and back play FPL
2016-08-17 18:54
starix, not seized (i'm confused at their nicknames sometimes too)
2016-08-17 19:01
FUCK YOU VALVE KYS
2016-08-17 18:55
best update in csgo so far
2016-08-17 18:55
#253
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Czech Republic THE_WILLY 
It's a good rule, that's what a coach is for. Let the five players do the thinking not the guy behind them. Also it doesn't give teams with coaches that much of an advantage against teams without one.
2016-08-17 18:55
#256
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Brazil Collee 
???? what
2016-08-17 18:55
So ACTUALLY rip csgo. [*] THREAT
2016-08-17 18:55
#258
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Argentina reiken27 
i like the idea but just four 30 second timeouts? i think it should be at least 1 minute
2016-08-17 18:55
game keeps dying
2016-08-17 18:56
Fuck off
2016-08-17 18:56
they needed to do that a while ago. finally
2016-08-17 18:56
Good shit Valve!
2016-08-17 18:56
GODSENT TOP 1 CONFIRMED
2016-08-17 18:56
#266
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Sweden godname 
WHY? LOL
2016-08-17 18:56
it's 5v5 cs not 6v5 or 6v6
2016-08-17 18:57
Atleast someone gets it.
2016-08-17 19:00
valve retards
2016-08-17 18:57
this is so stupid...
2016-08-17 18:58
#276
mir | 
Slovakia TatKo 
Well FaZe and NaVi are gonna be pretty fucked now
2016-08-17 18:59
navi ehhh just Zeus gonna back and he take IGL s1mple 4Head EleGiggle faze dont give flying dick about tier4 matchamking friend stack
2016-08-17 19:05
RIP CSGO !!! Day by day the CSGO only gets worse!
2016-08-17 18:59
This is good.
2016-08-17 18:59
#279
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Brazil caoticos 
valve retarded confirmed
2016-08-17 18:59
#280
Prochas | 
Lithuania RRad 
EZ FOR FAZE, a multicultural eSports organization from Europe who won " ESL One: Cologne 2016 - Qualifier","Gaming Paradise 2015","FACEIT League 2015 Stage 3 - Europe Closed Qualifier" and " CEVO Season 8 Professional Placement - Europe". Consisting of the the all star AWPer and MEME master Aleksi "allu" Jalli, rifler Joakim "jkaem" Myrbostad, the problem Fabien "kioShiMa" Fiey , allround player Philip "aizy" Aistrup and mad fragger Håvard "rain" Nygaard from the multiculural eSport organization FAZE eSports from the nordic countries (and France) in Europe.
2016-08-17 18:59
Next change is that you can communicate with teammates only 5 seconds after you die.
2016-08-17 19:00
SOMEBODY STOP THIS SHIT #stupidvalve
2016-08-17 19:00
#283
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Romania dEkO.O 
G2 never had a real coach so I don't give a shit.
2016-08-17 19:00
-sk
2016-08-17 19:00
#287
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Belarus WU1F 
stupid decision
2016-08-17 19:00
this kills Na'Vi
2016-08-17 19:00
this shows how little valve is communicating with the community.... -.-
2016-08-17 19:00
#296
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Brazil mth^ 
SK Dominance confirmed
2016-08-17 19:01
Even more? not sure if it's possible
2016-08-17 20:04
bb threat
2016-08-17 19:01
Valve likes nerfing players and now teams as well by stupid rules. :D Esl "copy", you mean forced to adjust lel
2016-08-17 19:01
so stupid xD lmao
2016-08-17 19:02
valve decided to go full retard this summer. no betting no major no coaches no content
2016-08-17 19:03
Finally a good decision from Valve. In a soccer you have a coach who has a limited area during match time, and in-game captain, and it's okay.
2016-08-17 19:03
#307
dennis | 
Slovakia Jarci 
2016-08-17 19:03
The whole coach thing has been very vague until now. While I understand how this may seem stupid to some, something had to be done to clarify the role and rules related to it.
2016-08-17 19:03
How are valve so incredibly stupid i mean ffs
2016-08-17 19:04
For anyone that thinks this is a good move: have you ever watched ANY sports? Coaches have access to all the info the players do but no one calls them players. This is a stupid, stupid, stupid call.
2016-08-17 19:05
But you can't literally have someone completely coordinate the team live in other sports.
2016-08-17 19:14
woth the exception of handegg
2016-08-17 19:38
yes and csgo cant be unique
2016-08-18 02:14
Im not saying it's wrong. It's just a stupid argument.
2016-08-18 03:58
#318
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Canada mattyfinch 
This is absolutely ridiculous. When will Gaben stop hiring friends of friends of friends and let someone with half a functional brain make these decisions?!
2016-08-17 19:05
#319
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Yugoslavia Lobanjica 
Valve is just spreading cancer.
2016-08-17 19:05
that explanation is so fuckin stooopid
2016-08-17 19:05
why do they need the fucking coach in first place. if 5 guys cant play together it means they are just retarded
2016-08-17 19:05
Valve
2016-08-17 19:06
#324
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Albania ekozix 
this is bullshit crap.
2016-08-17 19:06
coming up with this will keep you guys from thinking about the VAC problem...oh valve..
2016-08-17 19:06
NOOO NOOO NOOO FUKING NOOOOOO!!!
2016-08-17 19:06
#327
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United States TruthEmbargo 
pretty sure its because some coaches have been passing on information the team otherwise wouldnt be able to get
2016-08-17 19:07
F*ck Valve !
2016-08-17 19:07
FUCK OFF VALVE ffffs
2016-08-17 19:07
RIP NATUS VINCERE :) , NO IGL IN TEAM :D , Maybe ZEUS comeback ? hmm
2016-08-17 19:07
Not bad at all, but they should care about more important things such as cheaters, not coaches.
2016-08-17 19:07
#332
FalleN | 
Brazil ToRu 
F*CK VOLVO
2016-08-17 19:08
#333
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Sweden 4Sweeeden 
Valve retarded?
2016-08-17 19:08
#337
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Brazil RisenNTC 
nice move EleGiggle 4Head LUL
2016-08-17 19:09
#338
Finland :XD 
this is so fucking dumb lmfaooo
2016-08-17 19:10
#339
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Germany Gloin 
Well in theory I think this is a good step because the calling itself etc. should be done by a player but it is pretty fucked up to say that so late as teams like mousesports were already in preparation to switch to coach calling. Would have made more sense if they said "we will limit coach communication after cologne major" because a lot of teams could have adjusted their rosters, now a lot of swaps are already settled...
2016-08-17 19:12
+1
2016-08-17 19:43
ye and look teams like NiP and Navi for example, they both use their coach as igl. Navi even replaced zeus for s1mple now because starix was their igl anyway, who the fuck is gonna do it now, and some for nip, back to xizst and his shitty tactics i guess
2016-08-17 19:58
#340
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CIS Merlas_mtk 
Rip NaVi no IGL AHAHAHAHAHA
2016-08-17 19:10
#341
dennis | 
Slovakia Jarci 
I mean it makes sense because its sometimes 6v5 its not the same as in football because in football every team have trainer but in cs just few teams are playing with coach as a igl but why the fuck they care about this if they dont care about some kind of cheating protection atleast on majors... and they could stop it at the start not now when teams started switching to coach calling navi,nip,mouse,liquid etc
2016-08-17 19:12
Good call. Richer teams lose their advantage of being able to pay a coach to call as a sixth man. There's a point in being and in having a good IGL again. RiP NiP Threat RiP NaVi Starix glhf S1mple RiP VP Kuben RiP FaZe RobbaN RiP Liquid Peacemaker RiP Mouz Kassad RiP Cloud9 Slemmy
2016-08-17 19:11
#419
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China Specster 
u are totally wrong. some of these are as igl, but many of them are not. bullshit post.
2016-08-17 19:29
I don't have a problem with this. Is it gonna hurt a lot of teams? Hell yeah, no doubt about that. But the role of a coach has been pretty vague up until now. There needed to be some guidelines. Also, im glad they changed the timeouts bc waiting two whole minutes just to throw a team's momentum off is simply draining. I do have a problem with how long they waited for this. They should have implemented this directly after the last major bc some teams have already made roster changes not knowing anything about these rules.
2016-08-17 19:12
valve are retarded... not much more to say. the impact of the coach is limited , keeping track of economy and giving calls mid round is not a game changing factor , best teams in the world have an in-game leader and not a coach.
2016-08-17 19:12
RiP NiP Threat RiP NaVi Starix glhf S1mple RiP VP Kuben RiP FaZe RobbaN RiP Liquid Peacemaker RiP Mouz Kassad RiP Cloud9 Slemmy uwat m8?
2016-08-17 19:16
#422
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China Specster 
u're stupid, or at least you have no knowledge about these teams. kuben is not calling in games, and many more arent neither.
2016-08-17 19:29
only threat and robban calls from that list so..... akward....
2016-08-17 20:12
Next major = No nade rule hahahahahaha
2016-08-17 19:13
But why o,o????
2016-08-17 19:13
#350
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Yugoslavia ToBeHonest 
yeah , next limit should something like : During a match, the player may only communicate with the other players during warmup, half-time, or during one of four 30 second timeouts that the player can call. Nice,cmon
2016-08-17 19:14
#352
s1mple | 
Bangladesh balti 
Meanwhile, Zeus is laughing at navi lolololol but seriously, this is retarded
2016-08-17 19:14
wtf this is so retarded
2016-08-17 19:14
can you guys stop crying? ~1.5 years ago no team used a coach as an igl and teams were doing fine.
2016-08-17 19:14
valve to destroy CS :D. GOOD JOB YOU MORRONS. this game is going worse and worse cuz of your updates
2016-08-17 19:16
navi need zeus back
2016-08-17 19:15
Wtf? Retarded valve.
2016-08-17 19:15
When NaVi remove his IGL because now they have the coach and fucking coach of SK leaves right after winning the Major and everything being perfect for him. For me this isn't legit, It looked like the team Who could beat SK, and instantly cut along with Liquid. But they!! It's just FUCKING COINCIDENCE!!!!
2016-08-17 19:15
For me, the biggest issue here is the 4 timeouts per map. Is this college basketball? Teams will be able to slow down other team's momentum so often...
2016-08-17 19:15
you will be missed starix :(
2016-08-17 19:15
WESA do something about this stupid rule.
2016-08-17 19:16
#381
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Finland Emvi 
WESA is ESL. So they love it
2016-08-17 19:19
but what about teams that are in union? they should make an official statment about that they dont agree with that new way of communication
2016-08-17 19:27
HAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
2016-08-17 19:16
absolute bullshit call. valve is messing up this game so hard.
2016-08-17 19:16
If you're a person who is sexually aroused by Counter-Strike drama, your sexual organs may stop working by the end of this week. lmao.
2016-08-17 19:16
Threat, Starix, Robban, all made redundant by this terrible new rule. Idiots.
2016-08-17 19:17
#378
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Finland Emvi 
With all the problems with this game and scene, coaching was not one. The role of coaches and their effect was exiting for cs, giving more diversity and possibilities for teams.. A very baffling decision indeed, they really dont give a shit about what ppl think. Coaching was fine, would've loved to see them to the opposite like giving coaches their own stickers and whatnot. Disappointing
2016-08-17 19:18
Wow, this makes coaches almost useless now. RIP to all the tactical geniuses in coaching roles. [*]
2016-08-17 19:18
What the fuck? Why? Idiots.
2016-08-17 19:19
RIP NaVi
2016-08-17 19:19
valve auts lmao
2016-08-17 19:20
#390
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Turkey powergs 
n1 coach system just bullshit and RiP NiP at majors hahah no THREAT no chance for NiP
2016-08-17 19:20
rip NaVi lul zeus and starix
2016-08-17 19:21
VALVE please stop!
2016-08-17 19:21
Rip Navi
2016-08-17 19:22
NA`VI [*] :(
2016-08-17 19:23
Good change
2016-08-17 19:24
Finally
2016-08-17 19:25
Wtf ?
2016-08-17 19:25
If they can't communicate with the players at all, does this mean they cant even stand behind them and hype them by talking? rofl this is literally shit
2016-08-17 19:25
coaches will have duct tape covering their mouths during rounds. the tape will be removed during breaks.
2016-08-17 19:27
wouldnt surprise me. this update is as silly as anything
2016-08-17 19:27
#406
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CIS Shoxie<3 
VOLVO FUCK U
2016-08-17 19:25
Valve turning into LOL Riot... what a joke!
2016-08-17 19:25
Echo Fox top-1 NA
2016-08-17 19:26
A U T I S M S T R I K E S A G A I N Instead of fixing real problem VOLVO adds more rocks on the road of teams.
2016-08-17 19:26
#414
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China Specster 
I don't see this stupid, in 1.6 we had it like this, there were no coaches (almost never). Coach still will be ery usefull, and it will be a little harder to players to make good decissions. Good point Valve. thanks Mr. Lord Gaben.
2016-08-17 19:27
#416
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Portugal RKO23 
valve are dumb , please c4 valve.
2016-08-17 19:28
rip navi esl NY :( We may never get to see s1mple playing with starix as igl
2016-08-17 19:28
>valve.
2016-08-17 19:30
and just to clarify: how the fuck are they planning to control that? will they be in their ts the whole time? what is this 1984? fucking assholes are straight up censoring the communication of professional teams. WHAT THE SHIT?
2016-08-17 19:32
Lol Valve helping Godsent to be number 1
2016-08-17 19:32
Another thing that will slowly kill this game, not that it isn't dead already after the gambling shutdown.
2016-08-17 19:35
#434
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Iceland _natas_ 
Valve is really doing all it takes to kill CS:GO as fast as possible
2016-08-17 19:35
So teams get 5 tactical timeouts now. Wtf is valve thinking.
2016-08-17 19:36
#473
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Sweden wyv0 
8 actually, fucking unreal stupid lmao, both teams can timeout 4 times each
2016-08-17 19:55
good move so you still need an igl
2016-08-17 19:36
that game gonna be more and more fucked up when valve gonna still interfere with stuff like this
2016-08-17 19:36
LOOL what the actual fuck? Trying to lowering down the level of cs omg i was not expecting that.
2016-08-17 19:37
i wonder how is it going to affect NAVI
2016-08-17 19:39
-mad overated flp puger -expirenced IGL player zeus
2016-08-17 19:55
I like zeus, but because of s1mple liquid reached to major finals
2016-08-17 19:57
i like the intention but 4 x 30s timeouts are just fucking annoying.
2016-08-17 19:40
Four timeouts? LoL, what a joke. They're killing CS:GO scene.
2016-08-17 19:42
I can say again: 'this is the most stupid thing they could do'. Valve really surprising me
2016-08-17 19:42
-s1mple +zeus? haha valve fucked up navi so much
2016-08-17 19:43
rip teams with coach as igl
2016-08-17 19:45
In sports the coach can communicate with the players whenever, Valve trying to kill CS:GO?
2016-08-17 19:45
#457
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Kazakhstan kanjarje 
RIP NaVi
2016-08-17 19:46
Nice ruining NiP and Na'Vi, 2 ez for SK now
2016-08-17 19:47
NiP still have Xizt as a former igl, so calm down.
2016-08-18 01:04
lmao piece of shit valve they must improve their fucking anticheat and stop with this bull shit new rules gayben
2016-08-17 19:50
I don't usually comment, but this is pure retardation.
2016-08-17 19:51
It literally DOES NOT APPLY TO ANY OF YOU Get over it
2016-08-17 19:51
this is like the most unnecessary and dumbest change Valve made in a while
2016-08-17 19:52
#468
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Sweden wyv0 
Please tell me this is april fools joke from Valve
2016-08-17 19:53
gg.
2016-08-17 19:53
#471
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Portugal dracø 
so whats next? "Some players have better communication and we just want to find the 5 most skilled players so we are now making them play with voice_enable 0 and no teamspeak" Cmon volvo this makes little to no sense, 4 timeouts in a momentum based game? Teams have been working around having the coach for IGL proposes and now they can't use him. [*] Navi, Liquid, NiP, Faze.
2016-08-17 19:54
LOL they're killing the momentum of players with those timeouts. Fuckin retarded Valve never ceases to amaze me.
2016-08-17 19:55
Actually the previous timeout rule was killing momentum
2016-08-17 20:04
Yeah but instead of killing it once a game they do it 4 times now.
2016-08-17 20:05
Yeah but only for 30 secs a piece instead of a whole two minutes
2016-08-17 20:50
30 + freezetime is enough for players to lose momentum
2016-08-17 20:53
R.I.P NIP ROFLL
2016-08-17 19:56
Fuck VAlVE dumb
2016-08-17 19:56
lol rip coaches as LIG
2016-08-17 19:57
#485
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Poland morosek 
something good <3
2016-08-17 19:58
rip navi replaced zeus with s1mple because starix was igl anyway, who the fuck gonna igl in navi now? xD
2016-08-17 19:59
#492
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Finland kappaboi 
+zeus -s1mple
2016-08-17 20:01
#489
SpawN | 
Europe An0n0n 
Lol rip Na'Vi, Godsent ez top1 now.
2016-08-17 20:00
#490
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Poland kRAMERO 
it is good rule i think :) gj valve&esl
2016-08-17 20:00
So screw starix with Na'Vi and NiP with THREAT huh?
2016-08-17 20:01
Niceeeeeeeeee ! Good job Valve !
2016-08-17 20:01
valve is so stupid holy fucking shit
2016-08-17 20:02
#495
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Poland kiero 
VP with neo calculator even stronger
2016-08-17 20:03
Only proves Valve doesn't know shit when it comes to CS:GO
2016-08-17 20:04
Valve please give CSGO copyright to someone who love CS scene, you kill this game slowly and imagine how many coach will lost their passion job (still being involved in CS scene) you killed the awp, spray pattern, gambling, fuckin bs "realistic" gun's sound, and then a fuckin coach. Now after IGL retired they won't be able to share their experience and ability how to be an IGL in stages. you killed the "plus" function of the coach, now 1.6 big names like Carn, zonic, vuggo, would be disappointed. Better take a look at your in-game mechanism, a lot of cheater, useless prime MM, ranks placement.
2016-08-17 20:04
#501
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Portugal Hawkdastreet 
Lol valve .l.
2016-08-17 20:07
This is one of the most stupid decisions for a really long time. Hope valve understand what mistake they did right now and remove that rule as soon as possible.
2016-08-17 20:08
RIP starix and THREAT
2016-08-17 20:08
#504
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Netherlands Krin 
That's one of the dumbest moves Valve has done.
2016-08-17 20:09
Good :-)
2016-08-17 20:11
How to destroy Cs:go by Valve: Step 1) Replacement of all sounds in the game Step 2) Closing of the betting websites Step 3) Ignore all the cheaters and pro players Step 4) Not to make major events for 6 months Step 5) Destroy the professional CS P.S. FeelsBadMan
2016-08-17 20:11
XD
2016-08-17 20:17
#519
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Brazil MommyStealer 
this rule is good, now the real igl like pronax and fallen are more important
2016-08-17 20:18
#524
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Sweden wyv0 
OMG shut the fuck up VALVE cocksucker
2016-08-17 20:21
Yeah, but this rule makes some reshuffles in the pro teams really useless. For example, Natus Vincere have kicked Zeus (previous IGL) and now they aren't able to use Starix as an IGL... Shit happens
2016-08-17 20:21
maybe this is the reason why JW, Flusha and Krimz moved to Godsent. They need to get back to daddy pronax!
2016-08-17 20:22
Now there are four teams that have massive adventage: 1) SK Gaming with Fallen in charge 2) Godsent with Pronax in charge 3) Astralis with Karrigan in charge 4) Virtus>pro with Taz in charge Na'Vi, Liguid, Faze are choked
2016-08-17 20:47
coming soon : ban-pick weapon
2016-08-17 20:30
Valve lulz...
2016-08-17 20:11
#509
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Hungary sprayK1NG 
This is complete bullshit. Now there will be fucking 2X4X30 seconds timeout, + the 1-1 timeout what was existing already. Fuck this shit , now every 30 round map will be stopped FUCKING 6 TIMES, IS THIS A JOKE?! WHO THE FUCK WANTS TO STOP PLAYING EVERY 5 ROUNDS? everybody lose the momentum what he had before, and now with this even a monkey will calculate with bananas the enemys economy. why dont you fucking put a tea-afternoon in the "switching sides" halftime?!?!
2016-08-17 20:12
#511
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Hungary lemusz 
cyka rule... where is the new operation valve?!
2016-08-17 20:12
Well this sucks :/
2016-08-17 20:12
#513
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Serbia gzgzone 
WHY THE FUCK!? That was the entire reason why coaches existed. Its not like coaches are going to coach their players outside a live game now, and show them tricks.
2016-08-17 20:14
Csgo ded
2016-08-17 20:15
LOL what bullshit
2016-08-17 20:16
and i tought riot was worse lol Edit : time to go back to playing cod or switching to overwatch lol
2016-08-17 20:18
I just don't understand what should be balanced with this decision? Who d fuck cares about coach - if you like it, fine have it, if you don't like then don't????
2016-08-17 20:18
valve is such a bunch of fucking retards, it hurts even thinking about it..
2016-08-17 20:19
#522
fer | 
Argentina MAXEE|SDM 
ex6 to nV
2016-08-17 20:19
1.6 didn't have coaches. Make CS great again!
2016-08-17 20:21
#526
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Portugal XhAmeR 
Fucking valve. RIP csgo coach
2016-08-17 20:22
People are mad? This is a good thing. Nice job Valve and ESL.
2016-08-17 20:23
+1 I dont get it.
2016-08-17 20:48
LOL fuck you valve
2016-08-17 20:23
#531
NEO | 
Poland LGf 
its good from perspective of cultivating not only good aim players but also smart ones . But this will destroy potential job for retired players that would want to stay in community. So i am kinda tear apart on this
2016-08-17 20:25
nice
2016-08-17 20:26
Sorry but why aren't the pro players arguing with this shi* company
2016-08-17 20:26
#534
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Finland yEkQ 
what's up now navi? -? +zeus.. or wtf..
2016-08-17 20:26
now its rly bad for NaVi, Zeus was great IGL, now who?.. seized?
2016-08-17 20:29
#563
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Denmark fyhn 
Getting starix could be an option too.
2016-08-17 20:41
I don't care about the whole coach calling thing or not, but more fucking timeouts? It's just to show shitty adds.
2016-08-17 20:27
#601
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Brazil vicTHOR 
+1
2016-08-17 21:44
what the fuck are they doing, it's like they dont have any other job
2016-08-17 20:27
"newly introduced four, 30-second timeouts per map." lol gg. Like it wasnt already bad enough with their delays
2016-08-17 20:27
With this FalleN is like the real CS GOD and maybe Pronax too.
2016-08-17 20:28
Valve made the right call here. Coaches where way too involved in the matches while playing. How many of you play your teamgames with a coach calling everything?
2016-08-17 20:29
Rip braindead players
2016-08-17 20:33
ROFL
2016-08-17 20:37
#643
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Brazil MommyStealer 
XAXAXA
2016-08-17 23:28
#550
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United Kingdom FEodAL 
hm no idea what to make of it
2016-08-17 20:35
Valve is fucking retarded
2016-08-17 20:36
So, they claim that coaching provides a 6th player and supposedly an unfair advantage to the team playing the game. This is ridiculous. When has the coach of any team made a real game changing impact as far as a situational moment aside from strat calling? I mean when GeT_RiGhT got a 4k on NaVi in lower tunnels on Dust 2, I am pretty sure it wasn't because Threat was telling him exactly how to do it. This statement makes it sound like the coaches are hugely responsible for a player's success in situational moments, which I am pretty sure that is not the case. Also, the coach can still keep track of the economy and game while the halves are being played out and coach his team on how to buy and how to counter their opponent at halftime.So, is this limitation really necessary? I don't think so.
2016-08-17 20:37
I don't like it at all. Why shouldn't he be calling strats in freezetime? Midround calls have been made by the players anyways. Starix was so nice to watch, now he is kinda useless or they take a ton of breaks (boring), because both teams have these breaks lol
2016-08-17 20:38
its ok buddy ill give you a hug
2016-08-17 20:41
Right decision! calm down n00bs, we had 10 year highly tactical based CS without any coachs on stage! Its about 5 vs 5 on the server, not about who has more money to pay more guys to stand behind them and make calls and work up ingame actions. gogo volvo make the game better, dont listen to b1rds
2016-08-17 20:40
#642
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Brazil MommyStealer 
yes, now the real igl is more important like FalleN and Pronax as should be
2016-08-17 23:27
RIP KUBEN ;(
2016-08-17 20:41
What exactly is a communication and to what extent it is prohibited? It can vary from constant flow of commands to silently sitting straight. If It is the last option then it is a bs change
2016-08-17 20:45
#566
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Slovakia sanjuro 
valve is special, from one of the most genious companies to one of the most retarded companies ever
2016-08-17 20:46
good decicsion. a couch shouldn't replace the igl. a coach still remains important for other matters.
2016-08-17 20:50
for those "other matters" you'd usually have a manager or something of the kind. If they want people to watch these games on TV or so they should want it to be more "polished" nobody wants to see matches like pre-Robban Faze vs. NiP w/o Threat and such. It'd be disgusting.
2016-08-17 21:11
if you cant see all the good igl coaches bring to the game-meta, you might as well not follow this game at all.
2016-08-18 02:15
nt valve
2016-08-17 20:51
#575
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Europe nip_fanboy 
lol, what a bullshit. Valve is not destroying just game, but also events
2016-08-17 20:56
valve is retarded
2016-08-17 20:55
#577
kennyS | 
Germany LxyU 
Omg Rip NiP
2016-08-17 20:58
#580
Lekr0 | 
Sweden s4miz 
RIP NIP
2016-08-17 20:59
#583
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Finland RagingRame 
This is just BS from valve, it's supposed to be about the best team
2016-08-17 21:04
Wow so they want us to watch live MM or something? :D Each time they change something it kills things that made games exciting.
2016-08-17 21:06
right move. its a 5 player game not 6 so nice rule
2016-08-17 21:11
+ZEUS MOTHERFUCKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
2016-08-17 21:12
#590
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Bulgaria DeadshoT31 
why volvo... why
2016-08-17 21:15
#592
s1mple | 
Denmark konner 
could atleast have let them talk in freezetime... not that against setting some regulations, but this is a tad harsh.
2016-08-17 21:18
fck volvo, first skin betting and now this, no more GOD VALVE, fck this shit
2016-08-17 21:22
This is fucking stupid... Because Riot did it we must do it also?? Jesus christ.
2016-08-17 21:27
great news, ty valve now it is not 6vs5
2016-08-17 21:31
#599
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Macedonia AstralisGoat 
This makes Xizt even more useless now if NiP don't cut him they are retarded.
2016-08-17 21:31
Dafuq, he is more useful because of his in-game leading. He has full comms.
2016-08-17 23:51
#662
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Macedonia AstralisGoat 
Yeah the guy that frags once a month and every one says he's a good fragger, the guy that has literally has no strats at all, the guy that doesn't even study his opponent's, the guy that never adapts to the meta, the reason NiP has 1 good event a year, the reason NiP always look like their playing full pug, the reason none of the players are playing proper roles other than Get_Right. Other than his fragging 1 every 10 maps he brings nothing to this team who are already a sinking ship, at least he's better than Friberg though which isn't saying anything Friberg is worse than Fifflaren was.
2016-08-18 00:50
what an extremely dumb move
2016-08-17 21:44
valve, fuck, its not 1.6 u cunts. we need coach's. and we fkin need teamspeak pov
2016-08-17 21:47
VALVE! Sometimes it's better to do nothing!!!
2016-08-17 21:48
#609
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Brazil vicTHOR 
It will be literally a round and a pause. WTF are you on Valve?! There will be no momentum cause everytime someone will call a pause. It will kill the emotions, the match hype. RIP viewing experience
2016-08-17 21:51
Congratulation retards. ESL strikes again. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2016-08-17 22:01
VOLVO DESTROYING CSGO SCENE.
2016-08-17 22:06
rip coach jobs
2016-08-17 22:10
#615
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Finland jusba 
Go home Valve, u r drunk
2016-08-17 22:10
#616
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Spain akproxx 
FUCK U VALVE ALWAYS THE SAME SHIT VALVE MAJOR SHOULD BE NOT PLAYED
2016-08-17 22:11
Great, more pauses during matches...
2016-08-17 22:11
#620
NiKo | 
Poland Jaruzel 
Retarded idea, tactics level is going to go down. I'm disappointed.
2016-08-17 22:25
#622
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Germany jonko 
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.. >:(
2016-08-17 22:35
nice KAPPA
2016-08-17 22:35
#625
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Japan papa_smurf 
pronax is in the house baby
2016-08-17 22:40
LOL volvo pls
2016-08-17 22:45
this makes no fucking sense. I really would like to hear the reasoning behind this.
2016-08-17 22:56
The reasoning is in the article mate.
2016-08-17 23:50
One of the rare good decisions from Valve, good job
2016-08-17 23:00
#630
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Poland Marcines 
yep, valve is destroying cs go, time for cs go 2
2016-08-17 23:02
day by day this game only gets worse, good job valve, again...
2016-08-17 23:04
#635
kNgV- | 
Canada AyWays 
Inb4 csgo promod
2016-08-17 23:07
Record keeping tasks hardly make for a sixth player...It's a first person shooter in which two teams of 5 can win in one of three situations: elimination of the other team; defusal or complete prevention of the bomb being planted; planting and exploding the bomb. Can a coach shoot? No. Can a coach plant/defuse? No. Is the coach even allowed to even be "alive" in the server? No. Q.E.D. The coach is not equivalent to a player. Stop fucking with the evolution of the game, Valve.
2016-08-17 23:07
#644
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Brazil MommyStealer 
igl = in game leader and not out game leader
2016-08-17 23:30
So by "leader" are you trying to compare the role to other competitive sports having things like "Team Captains" or are you trying to say that having a coach and an IGL is totally redundant? Is the football coach standing on the side of the pitch in the game, or out of it? Seems ambiguous at best, and in no way a rebuttal of my point that "Coach" as it stood before today cannot reasonably be considered a player, and as a result Valve's reasoning is shown to be totally absurd.
2016-08-18 00:01
#656
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Brazil MommyStealer 
coach with igl role = player cuz igl is a role for a player
2016-08-18 00:05
Sorry, my mistake. I thought you were going to add something to the discussion, but hey, this is the internet, so mah bad.
2016-08-18 03:15
#688
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Brazil MommyStealer 
I explained why valve consider coach as player
2016-08-18 03:26
STOP RUINING OUR FUCKING GAME
2016-08-17 23:13
#645
NBK- | 
CIS pebb1e 
Why so many IDIOTS in volvo ??!
2016-08-17 23:31
very good decision from Valve. it's just lame to have that guy next tournaments gonna be great CS
2016-08-17 23:41
VALVE is retarded.
2016-08-17 23:48
I completely agree with the decision. Strong points.
2016-08-17 23:49
oh look, another example of how dumb valve is
2016-08-17 23:53
I thought the use of coaches as igl was great.. Let all the players in the team focus more on how they played.
2016-08-17 23:54
Since when did this become F1 :/
2016-08-18 00:01
Gotta love those passive aggressive "adopt our standards or we won't let your host our majors" jabs valves throws with their rule changes.
2016-08-18 00:02
valve is legit raping the corpse that is csgo brb switching to world of tanks
2016-08-18 00:11
#658
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Turkey Mustafa- 
this is good LMAO i hate threat because he is so bad and overrated
2016-08-18 00:25
rip nip and navi
2016-08-18 00:25
Finally, hated that shit. They even reached the point where they give PCs to coaches, however, 4 timeouts is a retarded idea.
2016-08-18 00:41
I think in the long run this will be a good change, but I think it's unfair to just dump it on teams so soon. Teams have organised themselves around an coach-IGL setup because, up until now, it was perfectly legal. As I said, I think it's a good change, but I just think Valve should give more warning, eg. in 6 months time, no coach communication during games, to give teams time to properly adjust.
2016-08-18 01:19
"four 30 second timeouts" 4 for each team? this is going to be fun for the viewers.... -.-
2016-08-18 01:22
Perfect for "This timeout is presented you by..... Pizzahut, ESLs official Pizzasupplyer, you are fat and nerdy, get your Pizza now, at Pizzahut"
2016-08-18 01:28
Fuck your fucking fat ass GabeN.
2016-08-18 01:29
Why also not at freezetime? Makes no sense, will fuck up teams with less resources that can't pay someone to just be there in warmup and timeouts, will decrease motivation to caches, therefore lowering their quality and preparation, and a large etc.
2016-08-18 01:44
Was just going to mention this. Valve is just stupid, lol.
2016-08-18 01:47
valve is so fucking dumb its unreal
2016-08-18 01:47
#674
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Brazil c0mplexy 
It reminds of radio ban in Formula 1
2016-08-18 01:52
rip navi
2016-08-18 01:57
Good.
2016-08-18 02:05
Light a candle for valve & welcome riot
2016-08-18 02:08
This is classic dumb valve bullshit. The addition and expansion of coaching roles have made for some good CS, but now they are taking it away. Hopefully this doesn't go past this one season of EPL before they realise their mistake
2016-08-18 02:47
#683
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Taiwan SCVready 
cs is 5v5 instead of 6v6 nice!
2016-08-18 02:49
Rip Na'Vi. Team Liquid have a IGL in Hiko.
2016-08-18 03:15
FUCK valve
2016-08-18 03:36
#690
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United States barsad 
FUCK YOU VALVE
2016-08-18 03:36
Dumb valve, coach is useless now.
2016-08-18 03:39
RIP CSGO 2012-2016 [*]
2016-08-18 03:44
useless patch
2016-08-18 03:57
#695
s1mple | 
Sweden DiTzZ 
I actually like this, although RIP NiP </3
2016-08-18 03:59
retaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaards
2016-08-18 04:55
#698
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Brazil VAC0 
very ez for fallen
2016-08-18 06:53
RIP MOUZ! niko doesnt want to call!
2016-08-18 07:17
Very good imo. Good job for preserving it as 5vs5 game with actual IGLs.
2016-08-18 07:30
Zeus comeback pleaes
2016-08-18 07:33
1 year ago this news would have been GOOD! now its a fucking joke....
2016-08-18 07:48
Just change to goal to best 5 man plus coach, this hinders cs go from becoming serious sport.
2016-08-18 07:48
#705
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United Kingdom benje 
Agreed, however there are not massive fucking ACTUAL WALLS between Competitors in any of these sports, dickhead.
2016-08-18 08:01
Teams should just boycott a single event and Valve will change back. Even in fighting sports it is allowed for the coach to advice the fighter. Sixth player, well, it never stopped the NBA teams to have six players, why is it a bog deal in CS? I even though at some point the CS teams may do player replacements in-game, that would be cool and would add even more depth to the game. But no, fuck you and your coaches, go back to the stone age...
2016-08-18 08:43
#721
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Poland mamba99999 
The gaming organizations also have a profit from their team playing at a major, so it wouldn't be that easy - if the players decided to boycott the major, the orgs could cut their salarys or something like it.
2016-08-18 13:48
whatttttt
2016-08-18 08:46
Hopefully we have dennis.
2016-08-18 08:53
volvo smoking weed
2016-08-18 10:05
#712
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Macau Raphpro390 
What... the fuck is this shit? You're talking about completely nulling out some of the best captains from being in-game leaders.. that's a huge fucking decision to make without consulting professional players..
2016-08-18 10:12
RIP Navi without Zeus
2016-08-18 10:15
Volvo = Riot
2016-08-18 10:27
rip FAZE and any all aim no brain teams lul
2016-08-18 11:23
5v5 not 6v6 cry abaaat it.
2016-08-18 12:22
Low tier teams with no coach be like we got a chance yuss
2016-08-18 12:34
FOUR timeouts? Fucking hell. Need to get some more ads on the screen or what?
2016-08-18 13:04
good
2016-08-18 13:19
It's like they don't want the public to take this game seriously......... It's incredible that Valve can't focus on fixing the game, but blur out with new rules/sounds/stupid shit instead of actually making a great esport-game! -.-
2016-08-18 15:36
Nice decision, back to basics in a way, it was getting ridiculous in the end two coaches allowed
2016-08-18 16:16
If you compare new teams, and well established teams, often times the newer(worse) team will not have a coach, as it is expensive(very few actually want to coach for free). This makes it harder to break into the pro scene. It should be amazing for IGL with this update, but of course sad for most coaches, as they can't do their job anymore.
2016-08-18 16:25
bad decision, this one will just lower the overall skill cap a pro match can reach
2016-08-18 16:37
I like it.
2016-08-18 17:25
So valve have stopped the coaches from doing what coaches do in every other sport. How moronic.
2016-08-18 18:47
idiot Valve
2016-08-18 19:16
#737
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Brazil oskadopLis 
Eu sou um estudante do jogo counter strike global offensive e digo rip cs
2016-08-18 19:16
#740
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Brazil hugoooo 
I like it... the game should always be focused on players themselves, I thought the coaches were too damn active nowadays, good decision. I bet zews saw this coming weeks ago.
2016-08-19 00:48
This is a HUGE MISTAKE! Of course they do need limits but this is too much. The best thing to do is allow commu with all DEAD players from his team. Thats it, he is NOT player talking ONLY with DEAD. This subject is really OLD and i'm surprised by this decision!
2016-08-19 05:01
#747
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Spain Xcalibur 
oh shit...no more info from crowd....no way to cheat anymore in lan....
2016-08-26 09:58
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