European teams protest Minor invites

Striker
October 13th, 2016 19:59

Representatives of 11 European teams have sent a letter to PGL, protesting against invites for PGL Regional Minor Championship Europe, for which fnatic, Heroic, HellRaisers and Space Soldiers have been directly invited.

On Monday PGL revealed four out of eight teams at PGL Regional Minor Championship Europe had been determined via direct invites.

fnatic and Heroic received the first two invitations, while HellRaisers and Space Soldiers followed in the next announcement. The other half of the teams will come from two online open qualifiers, running from October 18-21.

Earlier today a letter was sent to PGL, who are in charge of the European Minor prior to ELEAGUE's Major, protesting against the invites and the qualifying process. 

"A core value when it comes to CS:GO Majors and qualifiers is that all teams should have an equal chance. There have never in the history of CS:GO Minor events been any direct invitations. Remember that the challenger teams already have a long way to go to get to the Major, starting from online qualifications, followed by the Minor events and finishing with the main Major qualifier. Inviting four teams to an eight team Minor, and forcing all the other teams to compete against one another does not seem fair.

"There is no definitive and agreed to CS:GO team ranking system, and as such there should not be any direct invitations for Minor events. Alternatively, if e.g. the HLTV.org ranking were to be used, it should be made clear to all teams, so they would know of a way to make their qualification route for the Major easier in advance. All teams should qualify on the same conditions. A closed online qualifier with seeded teams based on actual team ranking could be an agreed solution, but that is far away from the current system we perceive as unfair."

The letter calls on the organizers to change the qualifying format to a two-step process, including an open and a closed part (used by numerous organizers, e.g. DreamHack), and remove all direct invites for the event.

It also touches on the issue of separate Minor Championships for Europe and CIS, as the teams hope to dicuss and give feedback on the next Major cycle's qualifying process.

"At first, in the next 48 hours, we expect Valve and PGL to change the 'direct invitations' to 'closed qualifer invitations' for directly invited teams fnatic, Heroic, HellRaisers and Space Soldiers. Two online qualifiers should allow through four teams each, instead of two, to determine the eight teams at the Minor.

"We also hope that the next Minor qualifier will be announced at least a month in advance, and that combined qualifiers for Europe and CIS would be at least discussed prior to the next Major. We hope to get feedback and discuss these points together to make a good system even better."

The full version of the letter can be found here.

Representatives of a total of 11 teams (all European teams within the top 50 of our ranking affected by the decision) have signed the letter, including Epsilon, Kinguin and ENCE, among others. The full list of teams can be seen below:

Germany ALTERNATE aTTaX
Bulgaria Bpro
Sweden Crowns
Finland ENCE
Sweden Epsilon
Serbia Guerilla Method
Finland iGame.com
Germany PENTA
Denmark Rogue
Poland Kinguin
Denmark Tricked

Virtus.pro have also expressed their support, as their coach Jakub "kuben" Gurczynski can be seen listed under the document as well.

Contacted by the teams with the aforementioned letter, PGL began dicussing the issues and aim to respond to the protest on Friday.

Poland Jakub 'kuben' Gurczynski
Jakub 'kuben' Gurczynski
Age:
30
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
168
KPR:
0.62
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.16
#1
tabseN | 
Denmark RealDon 
nice
2016-10-13 19:59
I definetly have to agree with that in my opinion it makes no sense you just have to have a big name in the scene and you get invitations to every tournament..
2016-10-13 20:02
Let them play, big teams never had a problem getting through the tier 3-4 before. The invite is just marketing, they want to ensure the most popular teams are there, except by doing that they kill the spirit of the major.
2016-10-13 20:10
so if you mean that where is the problem ? :)
2016-10-13 20:15
#121
allu | 
World iFatal 
play bo3 in qualifiers and volvo attacks cheating more agressively. there, now these better teams should have no issue going through minors.
2016-10-13 20:17
bo1 elimination is pure cancer, eventually it will go away but yeah bo3 would be the easiest fix
2016-10-13 20:20
BO3s would take forever, especially in open qualifiers where you have 4-6 teams you have to face. I think Double Elim BO1 would be more realistic. That or the qualifier would have to take place over 2 weekends.
2016-10-13 20:35
idk what they are talking about that this never happened before, maybe in EU, but in NA there were invites to the Columbus and Cologne Minors. PS: After doing a bit of further research there were invites given in the CIS Columbus and Cologne Minors as well. Personally I think that any team that made it into the Major qualifier in the previous major should get a direct invite to the minor. Just like how the bottom 8 teams of the major get a direct invite to the major qualifier. If that were to happen Hellraisers would be the only team to get a direct invite.
2016-10-13 20:24
invites are dumb, they qualified last time they could do it again if they are good enough, if they can't qualify vs. tier 3 teams then why should they get a shot at the major?
2016-10-13 20:26
It isn't as simple as that, especially if they are going to be going through ~5 BO1s then the closed qualifier to get in. Any team could easily pull off an upset and take them out in a BO1 especially when they are going to be going against 5 teams that they know next to nothing about (however their opponents sure know a lot about them). Also there is the issue that Fnatic and Heroic or whoever could face each other in the qualifier and knock each other out. It isn't like you would be giving them a free ride anyway, they would still have to get top 2 in the minor then top 8 (or maybe 9 with the whole Astralis issue) in the major qualifier.
2016-10-13 20:34
win-advance lose-go home It is as simple as that. I know that a top team missing a tournament is seems like such a tragedy but that is the nature of sport, sometimes underdogs win. Plus underdog stories are the best. That being said I am in favor of double elim or bo3. Also if you look at the seeding, top teams don't end up playing until deep in the tourney.
2016-10-13 20:45
Yeah I can understand that. I certainly don't like the idea of them just picking who gets in (at least for the minor, not so much against it for the closed qualifier for some of the reasons I stated previously) however I personally like the idea of basically using the system that the major uses where you automatically get into 1 step below wherever you got in the last Major (aka top 8 automatically get into the Major, the bottom 8 automatically get into the qualifier). I think that system should continue down into the Minor so teams that got into the Major qualifier but failed to qualify would get invited into the Minor and all the teams that got into the Minor but failed to come in the top 2 should automatically be invited into the closed qualifier. This way you get rewarded for your result in the past major by not having to go through as many steps as unproven teams (but you still have to go through some). Legends teams get even greater benefits as they don't have to go through any of the qualifiers, these teams are only skipping 1 or 2 steps in the process. And maybe I am wrong, but I don't see any complaints about the legends status and that a team like Godsent, Gambit, Flipsid3, or CLG (for Cologne) can instantly get in to a major while arguably better teams like Cloud 9, Dignitas, NIP, and G2 have to qualify to get in.
2016-10-13 21:05
It's bo1 qualifier upset can happen. LG before was cobsidered BO1 kings and they could beat fnatic in a BO1 but in BO3 they have no chance
2016-10-13 20:38
#268
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United States GeT_ReiCh 
Sounds like a reason why G2 should never be invited to tournaments LUL
2016-10-14 00:28
Good on them, no team should be direct invited
2016-10-13 20:10
Yeah we want the best and make no mistake i think thoose teams of thoose 4 or penta will go through will go through if they will not play each other
2016-10-13 20:24
#289
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Sweden snappE 
Pretty sure most of the teams on the 11 team list could beat SpaceSoldiers, be it on a good day, like crowns, or easily like Penta or kinguin
2016-10-14 11:06
I agree. There are many other tournaments that already successful teams can/are being invited directly and that's fine, but when it comes to the Major it should be pure qualification procedure; the team that played the best should qualify.
2016-10-13 20:51
Good to see teams sticking it to the man!
2016-10-13 21:10
This is really silly. I mean, sure, in the purest sense of the word, holding all teams to the same standard sounds fairer, but in online qualifiers based on bo1, teams that definitely deserve to go through based on other events not qualifying is kinda unfair honestly. I'd much rather have invites and a slightly unfair system on principle than fnatic getting eliminated by Team WeLikeToRageHack420 in an online bo1. Is it really fairer to act like the only thing that exists in the scene is majors? It makes MORE sense to base teams off actual past results and LAN than how they fare in the online bo1 hackfest that is open qualifiers. Sure, there needs to be a system to get new teams in there. And online qualifiers do that. But the end goal for these things is to get the most skilled teams possible for the tournament.
2016-10-13 20:06
Sure, there needs to be a system to get new teams in there well you just kind of said it yourself, getting rid of the abundant amounts of cheaters in these qualifiers is the only way to do so.
2016-10-13 20:08
#98
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Croatia mds818 
+1
2016-10-13 20:09
Top teams have never had trouble qualifying before why change now? It does nothing by ruin potential great story lines.
2016-10-13 20:12
I definitely remember times where teams that definitely should've made it to things like this didn't. Off the top of my head I only remember echo fox last NA minor, but I am sure there are plenty more. If this is true that top teams always make it anyway, why would you screw over teams that get put on their side of the bracket? Wouldn't it be fairer for the teams that will actually be contesting for these spots to face each other?
2016-10-13 20:13
#114
allu | 
World iFatal 
what has any of these teams achieved yet? nothing really. Also you could play the qualifiers as bo3, i agree that bo1 is bad. Also none of these teams seems like a big hackerteam. Valve should just attack cheating more agrresively, ban personal hardware etc. idk
2016-10-13 20:14
#124
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Croatia DYS7 
Thats why the 11 protestants want a closed qualifier where fnatic etc. will participate
2016-10-13 20:17
invite fnatic based on them having 2 old legends and fuck everyone else
2016-10-13 20:31
#236
TACO | 
Brazil TonimSan 
They can complain about the others, but not Fnatic... Olof and Dennis were semifinalists in last major, no point for them to play a 512-open qualifier.
2016-10-13 21:32
exactly! maybe they should just invite teams with atleast 2 players who played @ the last major
2016-10-14 07:16
So ENCE should have got a invite to all past majors cause allu played for them? Lul
2016-10-14 14:50
#298
TACO | 
Brazil TonimSan 
Don't be a brain dead, please. I'm talking about the best player of the world in 2015 and semifinalist in the LAST major and with granted access to the next, if it wasn't for the swedish shuffle.
2016-10-14 18:46
#5
Croatia Snypa 
Thats good
2016-10-13 20:00
#6
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Korea 2814 
LUL
2016-10-13 19:59
#7
Sweden TepaN 
why
2016-10-13 19:59
no
2016-10-13 19:59
#9
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Norway amadijo 
lol
2016-10-13 19:59
#10
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Latvia TdKappa 
n1
2016-10-13 19:59
Nice
2016-10-13 19:59
xD
2016-10-13 19:59
omg
2016-10-13 19:59
lol
2016-10-13 20:00
xd
2016-10-13 20:00
#21
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United Kingdom DarkOmen 
So all these shit teams complain and PGL should care why ?
2016-10-13 20:00
Cause the if the minor doesnt happen neither will the major and so all future majors will be ruined too also higher tier teams are supporting this so theh would protest too
2016-10-13 20:03
#67
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United Kingdom DarkOmen 
The minor can still happen without these tier 3/4 teams lol
2016-10-13 20:04
Yeah but if higher teams protest with them cause all players are mostly good friends they wouldnt be willing to play the majors unless valve change this
2016-10-13 20:07
Better teams wouldnt protest, its the fucking Major.. M A J O R Hey lets give up the sticker skrilla over some tier 3/4 teams complains.
2016-10-13 21:02
Well they already are xD vp for example
2016-10-13 21:04
Well, maybe i should rephrase that, they would still participate in the Major. And i dont see VP on the list, only Kuben, what he does doesnt necessary reflect on the org.
2016-10-13 21:06
Also its not about whos good or bad its a fucking major were talking about everyone should have an equal chance doesnt matter if its the number 1 team or number 100
2016-10-13 20:11
I like how your simple thought process constantly leads you towards their 'tier'. it shows just how much of an ignorant fuck you are, not realizing these minors are the chance for smaller teams to outshine the competition. Having 4 out of the 8 spots given away simply because they're those teams, is the same thought process you're using to disqualify the other teams as 'tier hurrdurr'. If they're as good as they say they are, they should breeze past this minor, now they're being coddled past the minor. Disgraceful, really.
2016-10-13 21:01
#210
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United Kingdom DarkOmen 
Jesus christ, calm down kanker kid. Free the spots up and give these shitty teams a chance to play like gods online then get raped in the offline finals, I don't care.
2016-10-13 21:03
Well, how is the truth disgraceful? Neither team on the list havent achived any big tournament success, tier 3 is pretty fitting. Surely its good for newer teams to start somewhere, but in the end PGL wants to show the best possible CS and i can understand why they choosed to invite teams that atleast have some better success at bigger tournaments.
2016-10-13 21:04
#77
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Bulgaria VIKILITEXX 
<UK <Cs scene Pick one
2016-10-13 20:05
#87
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United Kingdom DarkOmen 
Bulgaria Gypsy Pick both
2016-10-13 20:07
#91
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Bulgaria VIKILITEXX 
Said the Tyson Fury one
2016-10-13 20:09
#273
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Germany Bier 
triggered
2016-10-14 02:11
xd
2016-10-13 20:00
#23
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Finland Hunajaperse 
+1, this is ridiculous
2016-10-13 20:00
Direct invites for a minor are bs
2016-10-13 20:00
#43
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Finland tmziburger 
+1
2016-10-13 20:02
agreed
2016-10-13 20:00
lol
2016-10-13 20:00
Right thing to do. Why the fuck ss is there? LOL. Ence has won SS almost every time.
2016-10-13 20:00
With their strong roster not this shitty one.
2016-10-13 20:32
#194
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Germany xerbuf 
Lol, SpaceS has won the last matches
2016-10-13 20:50
spaces is shit team with only 1 good player. fact.
2016-10-13 20:51
#197
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Germany xerbuf 
2016-10-13 20:53
and? shit tournament and ence won bo against ss.
2016-10-13 20:55
#201
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Germany xerbuf 
Allu gone ence over :)
2016-10-13 20:56
sunny better than noobtares :>
2016-10-13 21:00
#205
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Germany xerbuf 
^^
2016-10-13 21:01
#28
allu | 
World iFatal 
agreed.
2016-10-13 20:00
Agreed.
2016-10-13 20:01
#30
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Poland mamba99999 
Interresting. And expected, ofc.
2016-10-13 20:01
well all other teams are trash thats why
2016-10-13 20:01
HUNDEN
2016-10-13 20:01
well they are right
2016-10-13 20:01
Good job. Minor is chance for show weaker teams not the big teams, or mainstream names.
2016-10-13 20:01
#35
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Poland sajlent 
list of shame ALTERNATE aTTaX Bpro Crowns ENCE Epsilon Guerilla Method iGame.com PENTA Rogue Kinguin Tricked HAHAHAHAHAHA pls no chance for you my friends anyway
2016-10-13 20:01
#53
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Finland tmziburger 
ez4ence :>
2016-10-13 20:03
#83
rain | 
Serbia BODIROGA 
+1
2016-10-13 20:07
#54
allu | 
World iFatal 
inb4 u realise that there is not too big of a skillgap between most of these teams. Excluding fnatic. Still invites to minors is bs, thats not how it works.
2016-10-13 20:03
#64
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Poland sajlent 
yeah I agree teams like SS or HR shouldn't be invited fnatic and Heroic? I can say yes to that.
2016-10-13 20:04
#78
allu | 
World iFatal 
yes fnatic and heroic are better than most of these teams. But this isnt about whos good and whos bad. That should be decided by playing cs, you should not get invited to minors from where you get to the fucking majors. Do you get it?
2016-10-13 20:05
#182
oskar | 
Czech Republic DorolXc 
Heroic are complete trash compared to HR atm..
2016-10-13 20:38
#185
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Poland sajlent 
lol HR is shite compared to Heroic HR last lan events? significant wins? yeah ahah
2016-10-13 20:40
#306
oskar | 
Czech Republic DorolXc 
ATM is pretty important there, LUL
2016-10-15 02:26
Epsilon > Heroic
2016-10-14 00:02
#308
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Poland sajlent 
on what basis? online matches? 5-6th DreamHack ZOWIE Open Bucharest 5-8th SL i-League StarSeries Season 2 3rd Northern Arena 1st Power-LAN 2016 Epsilon? 9-12th WESG noice
2016-10-15 10:11
and kuben
2016-10-13 20:03
It's minor bro :D
2016-10-13 20:05
#94
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Turkey OdinA 
+1 spaces and hr better than all off them, just atn is good
2016-10-13 20:09
#97
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Poland sajlent 
that wasn't my point SS and HR are shite and shouldn't be invited
2016-10-13 20:09
#120
mir | 
Slovakia TatKo 
So who should have been ? Attax ? Tricked ?
2016-10-13 20:16
#141
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Poland sajlent 
fnatic and Heroic and that's it
2016-10-13 20:23
The whole point is that no one should get invited.....
2016-10-14 14:54
#102
allu | 
World iFatal 
ENCE, Epsilon, igame, penta, rogue and kinguin have a fair chance against these teams. If you cant see this youre delusional.
2016-10-13 20:11
pleb teams who'll never make the major, why even bother?
2016-10-13 20:02
Cause higher tear teams are supporting this if valve dont do as teams say this major and all future majors will not happen or only have no namer teamd
2016-10-13 20:05
wtf did you just say...
2016-10-13 20:07
Also it doesnt matter if the teams are bad its the fucking major every team should have an equal chance
2016-10-13 20:13
#144
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Iceland fatboislim 
some of them have already been in a major, so why not bother?
2016-10-13 20:24
lol who even? dont come with the ENCE bullshit because that was the biggest waste of a spot at a major. none of these teams will make the major, just mark my words...
2016-10-13 20:26
#155
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Iceland fatboislim 
ence kinguin and penta and who gives a fuck if they are waste of spots, they got there and deserved to get there.
2016-10-13 20:30
n1
2016-10-13 20:02
#40
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Russia razorVJ 
I agree with that, neither of those 4 teams have achieved anything notable.
2016-10-13 20:02
Great thing
2016-10-13 20:02
"With full support of currently the best European Team: Jakub ‘Kuben’ Gurczy&#324;ski, Virtus.pro"
2016-10-13 20:02
yeah lol that was kinda funny.. they lost to Navi and to russian mix in the last two tournaments they were to lol
2016-10-14 01:40
Lmfao!!!!! THEY ARE ALL TIER SHIT. COINCIDENCE?
2016-10-13 20:02
#45
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Slovakia cheatersw0w 
Tier 3 teams crying
2016-10-13 20:02
seems fair
2016-10-13 20:02
#48
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Finland eMBeJaana 
finland mad xD
2016-10-13 20:02
Nicolai Petersen, Tricked-esport oh shit he is angry
2016-10-13 20:02
Nice one
2016-10-13 20:03
#51
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Russia Reph 
fnatic,heroic,HR and SS>>> all this teams
2016-10-13 20:03
#84
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Poland kurwafa 
Kinguin epislon attax (maybe) ence >>>>> SS and HR And even then its not about team A being better than team B, its about giving everyone a fair chance
2016-10-13 20:08
HR is in another league compared to these shitty teams. Have you been watching cs lately? lol
2016-10-15 00:24
#304
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Poland kurwafa 
Well last time epsilon played hr epsilon won so i wouldnt say hr in another league and kinguin could probably give hr a run for their money
2016-10-15 00:35
HR on a good day can pretty much beat any team of rank 5-20 and even take one map off of top 5 teams. They have great potential unlike these other shit teams.
2016-10-15 00:43
#56
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Turkey sessizjohn 
NOOBS
2016-10-13 20:03
LOOOOOOL
2016-10-13 20:03
AHAHAHAHAHA
2016-10-13 20:03
#60
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World waltsuu 
people are afraid of not qualifying eventho like top 20 teams are already in the circuit. it really couldnt get any easier. useless to complain about such thing
2016-10-13 20:04
#61
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Poland Redrumowy 
I agree.
2016-10-13 20:04
#62
woxic | 
Slovakia HRTomi 
fight for slot simple as that!
2016-10-13 20:04
#63
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Korea KimDahyun 
"Space Soldiers" like really ? ENCE, Kinguin, Epsilon and iGame are actually way better ... These tier2-3 teams are so right actually
2016-10-13 20:06
Not a fangay or something but ence without allu is not better than space soldiers. and epsilon is not better either. dunno much about kinguin tho, i mean i know they are a good team but im not watching their games. And iGame? like seriously? u gotta be kidding with that shit
2016-10-13 21:03
#215
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Korea KimDahyun 
Maybe Space Soldiers are a bit better actually but they're not more known than these teams and it doesnt explain why they were directly invited ^^ I wasnt blaming Space Soldiers :)
2016-10-13 21:05
Yep. Teams are not the ones that getting the invites, its actually organizations. I have no idea how they invited Space Soldiers. I remember Space Soldiers beat Dignitas 2-0 in a Dreamhack qualifier and then failed to qualify for the main event. And after the qualifiers Dignitas got invited to the main event xD
2016-10-13 21:09
fnatic shouldnt be there. its a tournament for the lesser teams
2016-10-13 20:04
I guess SS got invited only because Turkey became 'World Champion' as a CSGO nation EleGiggle
2016-10-13 20:04
Guerilla method protesting?LOOOOOOOL
2016-10-13 20:05
tier 3 is rioting LMAO hahaha
2016-10-13 20:05
8/11 teams are very bad... and they protest HAHAHHHHHAHHAH
2016-10-13 20:05
#73
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Switzerland Alpollo 
NO DONT! VALVE PLEASE NOT JUST NO!
2016-10-13 20:05
#74
CIS Ume 
hahaha who cares about tier 10 teams?
2016-10-13 20:05
So mostly shit Tier 4 teams crying.
2016-10-13 20:05
funny xD
2016-10-13 20:05
These 11 teams should shut the fuck up :)
2016-10-13 20:06
#85
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Slovakia cheatersw0w 
+1
2016-10-13 20:07
Thats correct, even though I rather not see any of those teams in the major.
2016-10-13 20:06
lol @ all the "these teams are bad anyway XD" comments really shows how shitty this community is
2016-10-13 20:07
+1
2016-10-13 20:08
+1
2016-10-13 20:16
#125
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Azerbaijan Talley 
they're just being realistic.
2016-10-13 20:17
...what?
2016-10-13 20:18
they're just being realistic.
2016-10-15 00:25
I agree and support this... already had my doubts why they got invited in the first place
2016-10-13 20:08
#92
allu | 
World iFatal 
People please read the fucking article. Its not about whos good and whos bad. The thing is that every1 should have an equal chance to get to the minors from where you get the majors. If these teams are so good that they should be invited, they could just play against these "shit" teams and beat them fair and square. This is a shit system and its good the smaller teams are standing up for themselves. All these kids commenting about tier 4 teams crying, piss off.
2016-10-13 20:09
why u cry if u get paid for attention given to u by esl pro league quals and other leagues where you holding the bottom?
2016-10-13 20:09
#95
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World breezy0 
100% agree
2016-10-13 20:09
#96
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Poland morosek 
they're right even if those teams are bad af
2016-10-13 20:09
#103
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Costa Rica Gomezio 
Yeah man, I really want teams like Fnatic and Heroic, proven to be decent teams to get knocked by massive fucking onliners like Attax. Get the fuck out of here.
2016-10-13 20:11
yea but inviting HR and SS is BS
2016-10-13 20:19
ss is bs but why hr? They won a minor and came 2nd in another.
2016-10-13 20:40
lol getting called out by shitters.
2016-10-13 20:11
lmao a bunch of tier 3s crying, not like they would beat fnatic, heroic anyway
2016-10-13 20:11
#112
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Poland kurwafa 
I could see Epsilon or Kinguin upsetting them tbh and even then its not about team A being better than team B, its about giving everyone a fair chance
2016-10-13 20:13
Its doesnt matter if their bad every team should have an equal chance at the major
2016-10-13 20:14
Guerilla method lol
2016-10-13 20:11
#109
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Poland kurwafa 
Good, every team should get a fair chance without the minor organisers playing favourites
2016-10-13 20:12
#113
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Turkey osmanabi 
I'm not mad and I even agree but where were these teams when SS got literally f*cked by Dreamhack because Dignitas got invited even tho they failed in qualifers. Maybe next time muchachos.
2016-10-13 20:13
#127
JZFB | 
CIS Ansoro 
life is brutal ma frend
2016-10-13 20:18
I agree.
2016-10-13 20:15
Fully agreeing with the article. The system that dreamhacks work with(invites to a closed qualifier in which invited teams play the best teams from open qualifiers) seems the most fair at the moment. Also I still cannot believe how would these idiots invite HR and SS and skip Kinguin and Epsilon X-D.
2016-10-13 20:16
#138
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Turkey osmanabi 
HR lost power after oskar left and ASUS ROG final was SS vs Epsilon and SS won so it is kinda logical. Dunno about Kinguin they need more chances imho.
2016-10-13 20:22
based on that, Epsilon destroyed Heroic 3-0 in Finals China.
2016-10-14 00:03
#122
Sf | 
Turkmenistan Autista 
mad cuz bad
2016-10-13 20:17
#128
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Croatia mds818 
ALTERNATE aTTaX-up and down team. Bpro-somewhat good team,quite unknown. Crowns-1 good showing as far as I remember? ENCE-unprooven talent,but they did beat TYLOO. Epsilon-fair enough,good team. Guerilla Method-terrible showing at wesg,1 capable player. iGame.com-2weak to cry about invites PENTA-LMAO MATE Rogue-team with potential,2 new players=they need to proove theirselfs. Kinguin-fair enough. Tricked-shit team,only 2 capable players. SS-consistant team with good showing-deserve. HellR-they improved recently,SOMEHOW HeR-quite good team,they deserve invite. Fnatic-"Terrible" showing at first time(for fnatic)unprooven talent from their current 5 core team,questionable if they deserve invite or not,but from the others team in that union they surely do deserve. Overall,fucking bullshit protest,I see bunch of teams which are not even playing good enough to get any invite for any event,and peaks of good teams.
2016-10-13 20:18
#179
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Serbia Svipke 
This is probably the worst summary of team quality ever made.
2016-10-13 20:37
#186
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Croatia mds818 
Well,you can make your summary,but look,attax is team which at one day can beat someone like SK and other day lose to MVP project.Crowns have total of 8 maps,seems great.Ence got 2 new members in lineup,you dont know anything about them,Epsilon is fine,Guerilla only have nexa which is playing fine,others are shit.igame is ex idk what=ex rtic,not some top tier team. penta is shit team,just look at their proleague run.rouge added victor and bubble maybe two days ago? kinguin is good team,tricked got niko and jugi which are playing fine,other 3 are inconsistant bots.
2016-10-13 20:41
#188
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Serbia Svipke 
You do realize that all teams you named here with your explanation for each can beat each other? That is the point of qualifications, to see who is better and who deserves to be in event. If one Attax or Penta can fall to someone like iGame or Crowns, then they do not deserve spot. That's it. Simple as that.
2016-10-13 20:43
#190
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Croatia mds818 
Yes,but that qualifier is not 11 teams that are competing,if you consider 300 or 500 teams which are in the online qualifier,those 11 teams are crying why do they have to win online qualifier to get invited into offline,somewhat what FNC HR HeR and SS dont have to do-
2016-10-13 20:45
#192
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Serbia Svipke 
They simply do not agree that Minor event as such(chance for MINOR teams to show themselves and have a shot at Major) should not prioritize ANYONE. Everyone good enough will qualify anyway. And if some FAMOUS name fails, it's fail. There is no need and there should not be any need to more push "famous" teams into events which are originally designed to help MINOR teams to progress as organizations, teams and players.
2016-10-13 20:47
#223
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Turkey VAC3R 
Nice analysiss
2016-10-13 21:10
With the full support of currently the best european team : Virtus pro SHOT FIRED
2016-10-13 20:20
HLTV kids makes fun of this ranking and apparently navi is top 1 according to hltv logic
2016-10-13 20:23
#131
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United States LeafyIsHere 
69nd
2016-10-13 20:20
EZ4ENCE
2016-10-13 20:21
#218
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Turkey VAC3R 
No allu GG ENCE
2016-10-13 21:07
That's like back in time - everyone was begging for a de_nuke invite. @Rage2k you still around ?
2016-10-13 20:22
#143
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Turkey powergs 
SALT
2016-10-13 20:24
Jaroslaw Smietana ftw :D:D
2016-10-13 20:26
#150
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Germany Bennime 
pretty bsthey are right its pretty bs that they get invited to the minor.
2016-10-13 20:27
#151
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Greenland duedue 
qualifers at faceit ez for MMC CLUB
2016-10-13 20:27
#187
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Croatia mds818 
+1 but its MM Club
2016-10-13 20:42
#152
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Finland coswell 
Penta, attax and Kinguin seemed to have been fucked over with the invites. They fuck up with the Space Soldiers invite...
2016-10-13 20:27
really? spaces better than both attax Kinguin. i remember ss defeated dignitas at semifinal and dreamhack invited dignitas instead of ss
2016-10-13 20:33
#175
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Finland coswell 
Yea, maybe theyve had some success. They still have not been able to qualify for the "big" leagues. Penta and Attax have. Kinguin, in my own opinion, are the best team out of these 4 teams.
2016-10-13 20:35
#153
JW | 
Sweden reverentan 
I agree 100%
2016-10-13 20:27
#154
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Poland Spanksss 
THATS UNFAIR
2016-10-13 20:28
Lmao a bunch Tier Trash teams are revolting.
2016-10-13 20:28
#157
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Finland Madd!z 
4 invites, but increase the total team amount to 16 problem solved
2016-10-13 20:28
Even if its a little silly on some of these teams to complain about invites, its really cool to see that the pros are able to come together and actually protrst anything and not just follow like blind sheep
2016-10-13 20:30
Guerilla method HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
2016-10-13 20:31
stopped reading at Guerilla Method KEK
2016-10-13 20:32
#165
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Turkey osmanabi 
I'm stating the truth, if one of those teams got invite instead of HR/SS/fnatic/Heroic they wouldn't f*cking complain lol.
2016-10-13 20:32
#168
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World Tenshi_R 
i agree
2016-10-13 20:32
#171
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Sweden MasturB 
Sum this for me please
2016-10-13 20:33
for those that dont know PGL is run by Silviu, a fat, annoying, overassertive, non-democratic person who likes to abuse his power every chance he gets. many years ago while playing in PGL, they had these rules that you were not allowed to say anything in game, and if you did you would be issued a warning. of course everyone was saying "n1", "hf gl", "ns", ":)". but the difference came when teams (or players) that Silviu didn't like were using "say" in game, they would always get warnings, and get threatened. so just so you know PGL = Silviu (owner) = communist = corruption
2016-10-13 20:35
#202
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Romania Zadro 
Esti retardat. Nu mai veni pe aici ca ne faci de ras.
2016-10-13 20:56
thow PGL did alot for the e-sports community, the dark story doesnt end here. the biggest upset was the monopoly they put on esports in our country. there were other organizations who tried to start similar CS leagues but guess what: PGL stated that any team that would sign-up to play in other (Romanian) CS leagues would automatically be BANNED FROM PGL. so basically as a team your were only allowed to play PGL or you were out. does this ring a bell stupido?
2016-10-13 21:09
Dear deni! You are full of shit, Silviu made something awesome with the cs 1.6 in Romania and seems like slowly he is doing something nice with csgo also. You are just a frustrated little shit. If PGL doesn't want you to play in other leagues then is fine by me,those are internal rules of PGL , not Romanias Esport rules. If you didn't like the rules from the get go, you shouldn't sing up for PGL in the first place. I myself played in PGL for some seasons back in 1.6 and the rules were on point! No say, no bm, taunts and stuff like that, I even played in 2 PGL organized lans and it was peacefull, no one was allowed to taunt, shit talk , etc. , a very good enviroment to play a game. If you are one of those guys who talks shit on the internet , yea, I understand why you didn't like Silviu , PGL and all the rules and restrictions. Bye kiddo.
2016-10-13 23:09
"If PGL doesn't want you to play in other leagues then is fine by me" reflect on that, will you?! do you have a backbone? does PGL tell you what to eat and what not? "those are internal rules of PGL , not Romanias Esport rules." There was no other ROMANIAN ESPORTS ORG because PGL put monopoly on it with STUPID BAN.
2016-10-13 23:13
I will not continue this
2016-10-13 23:15
I also played on PGL organized LANS and they were well organized + there was always a nice atmosphere. Communist country = communist thinking = not allowing teams to play in other e-leagues
2016-10-13 23:16
is that romani language?
2016-10-13 21:39
It's Romanian
2016-10-13 23:12
lul
2016-10-13 20:37
No surprise that no "Big" Team signed that letter ... getting free spots in Tourneys ezPz im looking at you Godsent
2016-10-13 20:37
#216
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Poland kurwafa 
why would any big team sign the letter though? they have nothing to do with the minor
2016-10-13 21:06
t3 letter
2016-10-13 20:40
#191
NEO | 
World sndblstr 
Winning matches should determine if your team should or shouldn't be there, not the names of the players and their respective organizations.
2016-10-13 20:45
rigged af. all teams should have equal chance. hope the protest goes thru.
2016-10-13 20:54
t3 BabyRage
2016-10-13 20:54
#203
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Turkey VAC3R 
PENTA,Kinguin > SpaceS > Others
2016-10-13 20:58
Both times CIS Minor had 4 invites (of 8 teams). Teams were invited considering their rankings and results. And no one ever cried. Considering late info about dates (maybe because of late agreements between orgs) its harder to make online + closed quals. IMO invites are fair. Fnatic, Heroic and HR are higher in rankings. SS not far too and havent changed roster unlike others. Also complaining about giving CIS less slots or comparing scenes is stupid. Because CS needs to be global and regions should be supported. Thats why CIS and ASIA should have same slots, so its scenes will grow faster. And world gonna see more international teams which is way more interesting. So stop crying, start improving.
2016-10-13 21:04
#243
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Slovakia fpmK 
+1 And if I remember corectly even american minor had invites before. About CIS minor i have to say i wasnt big fan of it when the first 4 minors were announced, but at the last major CIS teams showed their strenghts and potential by qualifying to playoffs and getting legend status. I fully agree with everything you stated there. Edit: I forgot to mention that they are saying It's unfair etc, but if they got that invitation, they would accept it and act like It's totally fair.
2016-10-13 21:52
#258
DD | 
Russia @sL4Mtv 
+++++
2016-10-13 23:22
#213
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Turkey ladarr 
Pls dont rage about this when space soldiers win on dig, dig had an invite to dreamhack but they didnt sign so dont KUDUR
2016-10-13 21:05
Even though I really like Epsilon I think the teams they invited are better than the ones they didn't so I don't agree with these guys freaking out, PGL invited the better teams nothing wrong with that and that's how it should be.
2016-10-13 21:07
I agree with them. It's justified But on the greater scheme of things, obviously, this fairly irrelevant as far as the quality of the major is concerned.
2016-10-13 21:09
#228
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Czech Republic Skleepy 
They are right in this case. I would be pissed too if I were playing for a team like ATTAX, Epsilon or PENTA and trash team like Space Soldiers got the invitaion over me.
2016-10-13 21:18
>spaces >trash go check what these teams have achieved in last 3 months and talk again
2016-10-13 21:24
#241
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Czech Republic Skleepy 
nt fake flag
2016-10-13 21:43
nt retardo
2016-10-15 00:30
#274
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Germany Bier 
lol triggered kebab
2016-10-14 02:14
Lol, all the shit teams whining about invites. ENCE ::D
2016-10-13 21:20
#231
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Turkey layzer 
don't cry t5 teams
2016-10-13 21:24
#233
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Faroe Islands LIVING_MEME 
Ok, HUNDEN signed it. Shit is real.
2016-10-13 21:26
#235
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France p2l 
These invites are a shame Everybody needs to qualify, there are a lot of t2/t3 teams with a good level in EU and invite for half of the only 8 spots is ridiculous
2016-10-13 21:30
Yes it would be great to see fnatic, heroic, space soldiers, envyus getting eliminated by a random hacker team right?
2016-10-13 21:36
are you sure all of the teams you mention arent hacking ?
2016-10-13 22:30
#250
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France p2l 
it was not a problem for the last minor so why it should be now ? And why others good teams like Kinguin or Epsilon should play the qualifier ? By the way Envy Us is not playing the minor, they're already in the major qualifier cuz it's not a t3 team like the best kebab team
2016-10-13 22:55
#240
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Turkey ElijahGlass 
11 'Butthurt' teams are crying about invites.Where were you when SS fucked by DreamHack Community?A bunch of idiot supporting this protest.Its just funny.
2016-10-13 21:41
#275
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Germany Bier 
flag checks out
2016-10-14 02:15
mad?
2016-10-14 06:31
#290
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Germany Bier 
lol why should i be mad and what should i be mad about? Couldn't care less about that shit team spacesoldierz. You are the fakeflagging kebab who got triggered by #232 rofl
2016-10-14 13:50
All the shit tier -25 teams have signed!!!!!!! Low homos that want to qualify
2016-10-13 21:44
shit tier teams speaking their voices whot the fuck cares
2016-10-13 21:53
#245
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United States liche 
some of these teams got invited because they couldn't play the qualifier for the minor like HR
2016-10-13 22:20
fagnatic got invite :> LOL
2016-10-13 22:31
3 cis team is legends LOL , stfu please and cry more
2016-10-13 22:42
#260
DD | 
Russia @sL4Mtv 
+1
2016-10-13 23:26
#299
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Belarus f1nesse 
Rip CIS cs
2016-10-14 19:20
#249
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Portugal dracø 
I kinda agree tbh, sure it's would be a shame to have teams like fnatic or heroic fail to qualify to the major pre qualifier because of a bo1, but this minor system was created to give new teams a chance.
2016-10-13 22:49
I'd be so pissed if I was epsilon... Literally better than all 4 of those teams.
2016-10-13 23:08
+1
2016-10-14 00:06
no they are not
2016-10-14 16:11
I liked how champions league and europa league worked in football. Not sure if it is still the same. Teams are bound to countries, countries have slot limits, from national qualifiers teams proceed to global major qualifiers, losers can still compete in minors which should be legit tournaments by themselves. No invites at all, no legends etc, bo1 or bo3 depending on number of teams to make realistic schedule. I feel those 11 but at the same time unlikely any of them get to major with whatever the system is
2016-10-13 23:10
ok the fnatic situation is kinda weird but why invite Hellraiser, Space Soldiers AND FUCKING HEROIC??? all of them are just as good as Epsilon, Kinguin, ENCE, and ATN playing through a qualifier does require consistency, but i guess thats too much to ask from fnatic and co.?
2016-10-13 23:25
#282
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Russia RacerJuiced_ 
HR can't play at the same time Epicenter and minor qualifier
2016-10-14 06:09
at the end of the day if your going to do on invite, just do 8 invites. Fnatic Heroic Kinguin Epsilon Hellraisers SpaceSoldiers Penta ATN
2016-10-14 00:09
80 percent of HLTV users should be fucking gassed. We need a german specialist in this matter. Everyone should get a fucking chance. Online qualifications have been here for at least 2-3 years, why change it now? Valve is slowly turning into EA with its retarded decisions.
2016-10-14 00:12
I definitely agree here with the teams. It's a hard fight to even get to the minor for teams of less calibre and exposure, and the fact that half the slots were to be taken by direct invites seemed completely unfair. In a sense, the teams of less experience are essentially being pushed aside to make way for teams with big names and organisations.
2016-10-14 00:15
yeah down with the bureaucracy
2016-10-14 00:43
Oh boy! shots fired! :D youtube.com/watch?v=RLuVVIztVXA
2016-10-14 01:20
#271
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Turkey ogmass 
gj from these teams. directly invite system is fucking unfair.
2016-10-14 01:23
or better save money and time who fuckign care about this tier8 shiters they know enemy organizer everybdody just they dont have chance to secure and win spot to major same should do it ESL with this fucking LAN in brazil and eventualy let max 2x spot to online quali
2016-10-14 02:59
#278
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Faroe Islands _shubaN 
Yes, it is unfair, but these 4 invited teams can easily qualify the minor qualifier tho.
2016-10-14 03:22
Maybe Asia teams should also argue the spots distribution for minor :D
2016-10-14 04:21
These 11 teams should get directly invited to the major, and playing every round with unlimited economy. Those holding legendary status should qualify through online open qualifiers. Rifles/SMGs not allowed. Fair enough?
2016-10-14 06:06
ENCE and iGame will play against each other in the finals
2016-10-14 07:34
#286
ScreaM | 
Denmark Kranzz 
They all suck anyway? why inv them?
2016-10-14 08:28
They don't want an invite, they want qualifiers for everyone.
2016-10-14 10:11
I completely agree, the invite system is too biased. If the organizers want to favor the teams who performed well in the previous iterations, then do so according to their results, but not just based on invites.
2016-10-14 10:10
its fair
2016-10-14 13:53
This is outrageous LUL
2016-10-14 15:41
No one. I mean not a single one of these teams would have protested if invite would have hit them. Now they are protesting coz they werent invited. Hope pgl isnt changing their decision because of some cryteams.
2016-10-14 16:06
good
2016-10-15 00:26
agree
2016-10-15 03:27
haters gonna hate
2016-10-15 11:26
#311
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Romania DAX1k 
Fnatic would've qualify anyway,the spaceS...not sure,hr probably and heroic probably as well
2016-10-16 15:41
#312
resu | 
United Kingdom Revilo* 
Missing UK invite
2016-10-17 15:18
Nothing happened i guess
2016-11-03 15:18
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