Pro League EU finalists determined

With the last round of ESL Pro League Season 4 European division and the sixth place decider coming to a close, six teams have secured their place at the Finals taking place in São Paulo from October 26-30.

Over the last two months 14 teams fought in the European division of ESL Pro League Season 4 for six spots at the $750,000 Finals.

Both Swedish teams, fnatic and NiP, made it to the top of the league with 19 wins and 7 losses, with the former taking first place due to the head-to-head encounter.


fnatic finished first in ESL Pro League Season 4 - Europe

mousesports and FaZe followed closely, securing 18 out of 26 matches, and Envy only secured their spot earlier today with two wins over DignitasThe Danes and Virtus.pro finished 6th-7th and their head-to-head encounter ended up with each team grabbing a 16-7 win.

That meant the two teams had to play a best-of-three tiebreaker. Mathias "MSL" Lauridsen's team came out on top of the decider after two maps and grabbed the last spot at the Finals.

ESL Pro League Season 4 - Europe final standings are following:

1. Sweden fnatic - spot at ESL Pro League S4 Finals
2. Sweden NiP - spot at ESL Pro League S4 Finals
3. Europe mousesports - spot at ESL Pro League S4 Finals
4. Europe FaZe - spot at ESL Pro League S4 Finals
5. France Envy - spot at ESL Pro League S4 Finals
6. Denmark Dignitas - spot at ESL Pro League S4 Finals
7. Poland Virtus.pro - $18,000
8. CIS Natus Vincere - $15,500
9. France G2 - $13,000
10. Denmark Astralis - $10,500
11. Europe HellRaisers - $8,000
12. Denmark Heroic - $5,500 (Relegation vs. 3rd placed in Premier)
13. Germany PENTA - $3,000 (Relegation vs. 2nd placed in Premier)
14. CIS FlipSid3 - $1,500 (relegated to Premier division)

The North American division will also be finalized later today. Cloud9, Immortals and SK have already secured their place at the Finals. The remaining three spots will be decided between NRG, OpTic, Liquid and Echo Fox, as Renegades decided to prioritize the Minor over the Pro League Finals.

Denmark Mathias 'MSL' Lauridsen
Mathias 'MSL' Lauridsen
Age:
24
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.91
Maps played:
1530
KPR:
0.64
DPR:
0.72
APR:
0.15
LUL
2016-10-13 23:41
#24
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Germany inbroso 
hi
2016-10-13 23:41
VP TOP 1 LUL
2016-10-13 23:43
believe me or not but VP makes it's most money by throwing games after big high performances.
2016-10-14 00:04
Yeah, throwing is worth more money than $200,000 first place prize. VP must has 500 bots betting. Moron.
2016-10-14 00:42
online leagues are stupid. LAN teams like G2, NaVi and VP aren't in the LAN finals, but you get shitters like mouz and faze..
2016-10-14 00:50
#207
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Germany JuaNiko_^ 
Lol if you are a great team you should still be able to win online matches
2016-10-14 05:27
So you're saying VP isn't a great team?
2016-10-14 05:35
Times have changed, now we have these high paying tourneys happening every month. I would take half of the prize money by throwing games and staying home over travelling cross country every month. Plus these VP guys all have to spend time with families and they are not kids anymore.
2016-10-14 01:19
if sk played in eu they wouldnt havr qualified
2016-10-14 00:26
cause Shoowtime lacks basic CS skills.
2016-10-14 00:48
TaZ: jkaem should look where FaZe is
2016-10-14 00:43
#161
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Ukraine Al13nB0RN 
In EL! Shots returned
2016-10-14 00:53
haha bye TAZ
2016-10-14 02:02
LMAO what a fitting comment XD
2016-10-14 02:15
SK couldn't even finish 1st on fucking NA LEAGUE hahahahhahaha.
2016-10-14 01:36
lolz sad to see top 3-6 and 7-10 in reversed order..... Like how??? 7-10 is supposed are supposed to be better teams than top 3-6. faze mouz dignitas and envy better than astralis, navi vp and G2????? .. sad day for europe
2016-10-14 15:54
#30
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United States Drifter808 
Mouz, faze, and envy > vp, g2, and navi LUL
2016-10-13 23:42
#46
tarik | 
Belgium kaebboy 
Ez lul
2016-10-13 23:45
#3
SPUNJ | 
Brazil FalKsCS 
throwstralis xD
2016-10-13 23:41
#52
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Italy ErR0Rleet 
xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2016-10-13 23:47
nah, astralis are just not better than this at the moment
2016-10-14 00:04
1
2016-10-13 23:41
VP TOP 1 THEY SAID LUUL NaVi TOP 2 THEY SAID LUUUL Can't even qualify for ESL FINALS LUL WHAT A JOKE!
2016-10-13 23:43
who cares about online?
2016-10-13 23:47
ESL FINALS is not online. Is a lan event with a huge prize.
2016-10-13 23:48
but the league was online
2016-10-13 23:48
who cares about online? when its an online league that qualifies for a international lan with a huge prize money, I really believe that everyone cares.
2016-10-13 23:49
It's easy to qualify from na, even flipside would qualify if they play in na.
2016-10-13 23:50
Your comment is kinda autistic. Nobody here is talking about NA. You have 24 EU teams, and the best 6 gets qualified. Navi/VP/G2/Astralis didn't qualify. Faze/Mouz qualified. What NA has to do with it?
2016-10-13 23:51
yeah but some tier 500 teams from na can qualofy that doesnt make any sense
2016-10-13 23:57
No, you're wrong. Read: hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=1279058 NA = EU right now.
2016-10-14 00:00
XD
2016-10-14 09:27
#103
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Canada PerspekCZ 
1. You're changing the subject to a sort of "EU>NA" argument 2. All the crappy NA teams like eunited and complexity did not qualify, where as top tier teams like cloud9 and SK did. 3. When it's a pointless online game, it doesn't matter. When it's an online league determining who goes to one of the biggest LAN tourneys of the year, it obviously matters
2016-10-14 00:05
c9 top tier pick one
2016-10-14 15:39
#257
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Canada PerspekCZ 
C9 ranked 5th on hltv and 3rd on gosugamers, since when is that not top tier?
2016-10-14 21:40
since they havent beaten any teams in top 10 inb4 you say envyus but they were outside top 10 and gosugamers is a joke so stfu
2016-10-16 08:29
#270
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Canada PerspekCZ 
They beat envy who is top 10 if you can read and liquid who is 6th consistently. Have any proof to say why gosugamers is a joke or you just saying your inferior polish opinion because you know you're wrong? Get mad toilet cleaner
2016-10-16 19:47
hltv.org/ranking/teams/2016/september/12.. ranking before dreamhack when they beat envy also when did they beat liquid on lan? saying gosugamers is accurate means liquid is not top 15 prntscr.com/cv6fz8 you cant say gosugamers is not a joke
2016-10-17 01:10
#272
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Canada PerspekCZ 
I can and do, and you wouldn't be able to pick a result from c9 facing liquid on lan since they haven't yet with pimp and autimatics in the rosters. The ranking at the time is irrelevant, you said ranking in general. You're simply trying to find a reason as to why c9 isnt top tier, which they obviously are considering ranking
2016-10-17 01:39
you cannot judge a team and say they are a top team based on them winning bo1's and the odd bo3 against teams that are not the best or close to the best last time they fought a world class team on lan where it matters was vp and nip, they got crushed both times. having sk top 11 in the world, nip #1, luminosity top 2, and mousesports top 6 isnt even a funny joke, that ranking cannot be taken seriously whatsoever you are obviously just a kid who beats off to shroud thinking cloud9 will actually win
2016-10-17 01:45
#275
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Canada PerspekCZ 
Gosugamers goes off organization wins, not players so lg will fall through the rankings as time goes on and sk will rise. They are 11th because a majority of their accomplishments are done under LG. I dont see how nip wouldnt be top 1, and considering mousesports insane online performance which covers 75% of the game then they better be top 6. A majority of NA league is tier 1-2 material with the 2-3 crappy teams just like EU with say heroic, penta and flipside. Shroud is overrated as he only shines mostly online, but c9 is proportionate skillwise. Bet you think online doesn't matter at all, and no im not a big NA fan
2016-10-17 01:53
online doesnt matter at all yes, a player can just sit at home easily find ways to cheat or has no pressure online but on lan is where it matters and where the real money is. if it is based on organization then it is autimatically irrelavant as it bases their rankings off of teams that are not the ones that the org owns
2016-10-17 01:56
#277
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Canada PerspekCZ 
Online is the original way the game was meant to be played, if you're shit online you shouldn't even be a pro. There's no point in hacking online if you're just going to bomb the lans for it anyways. Without the solid online performance you cant qualify for leagues or make the finals that you so submissively praise, therefore no good online perfomance=no make lans. They base it off the organization because it is the same, LG wont be #2 for long cause of their shit players and SK obviously won't be 11th. The end result is the same, its still accurate in time and its a diverse way of ranking
2016-10-17 02:08
There's no point in hacking online if you're just going to bomb the lans for it anyways. that logic is so shit, i didnt even mean hacks but either way look at the money for making the lan, look at how online some people are. thats like saying whats the point of shroud going to lan if he is gonna be shit org based ranking will never be relavant as the top teams are not in the ranking, the brazilians have been sk for over 3 months now and they havent breached the top 10 with a major? fuck off
2016-10-17 02:12
#279
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Canada PerspekCZ 
If you know how organizations work, you'll know that they get paid annual salaries in contracts, not direct tournament funds. The most the little boost in funds from making the lan does is having the org tolerate you so you don't get dropped. No, they have not reached top 10 as they literally started with t3 SKs leftovers and didnt exactly do amazing online, so its no surprise. I do believe player ranking is >org ranking, but saying its a joke is naive. I never said Shroud is shit on Lan, I simply said his online to lan performance does not match since he fully excels on the original way to play the game. No surprise of your immaturity, tends to happen in a third world country, lucky for you you're in a first world continent
2016-10-17 02:19
Favelas showing their IQ, bunch of retards
2016-10-13 23:57
Don't follow you man. I'm talking about VP competing with other 23 teams and don't getting qualified. I'm not talking about NA. Looks like your IQ is veeeery low.
2016-10-13 23:59
favela logic (wrong post)
2016-10-14 00:02
LUL don't have arguments right? I know :) Just accept, it's better for you <3
2016-10-14 00:02
what r u talking about? NA not even close to EU
2016-10-14 00:04
Ok man.. you are slow. I will slow down for you, so you can understand. VP competed in a league with other 23 EU teams and didn't qualify. What does NA has to do with it? Why are u mentioning NA at all? LUL. VP is bad. NaVi is bad. Just accept it. It's better for you <3
2016-10-14 00:05
Na has teams like nrg renegades selfless and what not. Even flipside would best them all.
2016-10-14 00:00
What does it has to do with the fact that VP didn't get qualified while Mouz/Faze did?
2016-10-14 00:01
LEWL!
2016-10-14 00:04
You said can't even qualify for ESL finals, it's because EU teams are far superior than the na trash. Na has like 4-5 good teams followed by rest premier teams. That's why I said even flipside would qualify in NA. Mouz faze are onliners, what did you expect?
2016-10-14 00:05
So, by your logic, VP can't qualify for ESL finals, because EU teams are superior than NA trash? LUL. Gr8 logic.
2016-10-14 00:06
cuz na has 6 slots for 3-4 normal teams while eu has 6 slots for 7-8 much better teams /closed
2016-10-14 00:13
hahahaha DUUUUUUUUDE pls stop! So VP didn't qualify because NA has 6 slots ?!?!?!?! Tell me why fnatic/nip/mouz/faze/envyus/dignitas qualified ?!?!?! Cuz VP is TRASH. So as NAVI. There's no logic in saying that they didn't qualify because NA has 6 slots. omg.
2016-10-14 00:14
#170
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Portugal dracø 
But there is a logic behind that. If NA had the 4 slots they deserve instead of 6, EU would have 8 and both Navi and VP would have been able to qualify. Edit: They should've placed higher anyway, they can only blame themselves for fucking up
2016-10-14 01:36
#222
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Australia Spionier 
+1 edit: NA doesn't deserve so much spots, but VP should have qualified regardless..
2016-10-14 11:50
still doesnt change the fact that navi and vp lost to envy dig faze and mouz..... cuz they suck online and they forgot 750k prize pool navi was up 7-0 at the start and finished 13-13 hahahahha they suck atm. faze and mouz were better
2016-10-14 16:02
1. Its online. Vp and navi are known to be mediocre online and good on lan. Online is also irrelevant when talking about how good teams are.im sure you know that. 2. What People are trying to say is that the competition is way more tough in EU. Take the worst team i.e.: flipside is not great skillwise, But they have a solid structure to Fall back to Which makes them dangerous and a pretty decent team Overall. Now look at the worst team in na:eunited. They have literally nothing and are a free win for every team. In EU the teams only need a little Bit extra to be competitive and online some feel more comfortable, Which is that little extra. Having a good Day or Bad Day could alone decide a Match, Which is not possible in many cases in NA
2016-10-14 00:18
So if EU had 24 spots, VP and NAVI were qualified, right? The fact that NA has 6 spots doesn't change the fact that VP and NAVI didn't qualify. Forget about NA division. Focus only in EU. You have 24 teams, the top 6 will be qualified for a LAN and that's it. VP didn't get qualified. Use the online excuse, but don't mention NA, cuz it makes no sense.
2016-10-14 00:22
Yeah i agree it doesnt make Sense,just wanted to clarify. I said this before, i Dont dislike the teams that qualified Because they deserve it for their online play (you decide whether thats a good thing or not) and i think the Format is Ok. Its just that we know that when it counts, vp and navi are Better than everyone except maybe nip at the Moment Edit: of course those matches count, But i meant more like Championship scenario
2016-10-14 00:30
Yea, every team is the best one until the next lan. Look at G2 for example, they were number #2 before ESL ONE COLOGNE, right after placing 2nd in ESL finals and 1st in ECS. Then got out in group stage, and got kinda in a slump. Right now VP and NAVI are kinda hot, but this will cool down things a bit.
2016-10-14 00:31
I agree. After this lan we will see who is Hot as well and can maybe challenge them on lan.
2016-10-14 00:33
A team that can't perform online can't be a top 1 team, because it can't qualify for most events, where they aren't invited. A real top team has to perform both on LAN and online. NA has nothing to do with this. VP, G2 and NaVi are inconsistent af and are no worthy contender for top 1 spot. Just accept it and stop with your useless excuses.
2016-10-14 00:30
Actually its pretty even in Terms of invite/ online qualifier tournamemts. And im not excusing Nobody man,they didnt perform online and Didnt qualify, im fine with it. When talking about rankings tho its only lan that counts, and it will always be this way. i agree that Top teams should perform online as well, But as you See thats Not always the case Because the competition is pretty close. Ill and this: if i had to decide if My team is gonna be good on lan or online, i definitely chose on lan Because thats where Championships are won and money is Made. Online doesnt matter in that regard. And explain to me why faze, mouz and fnatic are good online and Bad on la, maybe you have some excuses for that Which i didnt know
2016-10-14 00:42
I agree that LAN is way more relevant, but online matches can still be very important. In the past the top teams NiP, fnatic and SK were able to perform online and on LAN in a very dominant fashion, which made them clearly the number 1 team, but right now, there don't seem to be such a team. And FaZe, mouz etc probably don't perform that well, because they pressure them self too much, I think its mostly the mindset, but that is no excuse. A champion needs to be calm and focused even under pressure on LAN.
2016-10-14 01:47
Fair enough, i agree with everything you said.
2016-10-14 03:41
#147
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Europe MyNameIsWho 
Talk after the event is over please
2016-10-14 00:36
#219
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Russia razorVJ 
VP and Na`Vi have always been bad online. But you probably don't care because you're just a troll.
2016-10-14 10:49
l
2016-10-13 23:41
#7
Ant1ka | 
United States MDDDDDD 
neat
2016-10-13 23:41
omg i click the picture, fuck
2016-10-13 23:41
n1
2016-10-13 23:41
#11
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Korea 2814 
FLIPSID3 LEGENDS 4Head
2016-10-13 23:41
1
2016-10-13 23:41
#13
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Netherlands artiKuno 
gg
2016-10-13 23:41
#14
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Latvia Faaakk 
Ez for NiP
2016-10-13 23:41
#16
k0mplex | 
Europe R4as0n 
ESL need to change lan slots from 6 to 8 so VP can attend. 49/50 posts left
2016-10-13 23:43
ez
2016-10-13 23:41
ncie
2016-10-13 23:41
damn
2016-10-13 23:41
#21
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Brazil LaicaBoss 
gonna be good
2016-10-13 23:41
RiP VP
2016-10-13 23:41
dig > all danish teams
2016-10-13 23:41
+1
2016-10-14 00:06
#26
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Lithuania Paulius_CS 
rip navi
2016-10-13 23:41
VP 4Head
2016-10-13 23:41
no vp no navi joke of a tournament
2016-10-13 23:41
#43
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World Vidua 
Just shows what kind of crap BO1 online is. Both ECS and EPL should look at ELEAGUE.
2016-10-13 23:43
it's not the tournament that's a joke. it's the fact that those teams didn't qualify that's a joke
2016-10-14 00:06
they are a joke. navi and vp i mean
2016-10-14 00:25
can confirm
2016-10-14 02:26
#29
CIS Ume 
TaZ: jkaem should look where FaZe is hltv.org/news/18892-taz-jkaem-should-loo.. look now TaZ?!
2016-10-13 23:41
Faze owning people one then group stage exit at lan. VP #2 in rankings, can't see faze though. Haven't seen jkaem on lan, he is as visible as John cena
2016-10-13 23:47
+1 rip I wish they played just as decent on lan
2016-10-13 23:57
Dreamhack Cluj napoca 2015. After that they got mostly difficult groups......
2016-10-14 04:29
jkaem on lan it doesnt matter what groups are.
2016-10-14 12:16
faze onliners TaZ +1
2016-10-14 00:09
FaZe will get much money anyway.
2016-10-14 02:03
#31
rain | 
Norway saebo 
9
2016-10-13 23:42
gg vp
2016-10-13 23:42
No VP, NAVI, G2... ez SK.
2016-10-13 23:42
LOL VP and NaVi OUT!!! FUCK!
2016-10-13 23:42
fnatic #1 again.
2016-10-13 23:42
#36
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Israel ZiinTotH 
What the hell happened to VP in this matchup? What a disappointment
2016-10-13 23:42
Well according to VP-fans they probably "threw" or "didn't care" or "had bad ping"
2016-10-14 00:08
and "tired of playing"
2016-10-14 05:30
^^
2016-10-14 18:20
#37
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World rainsje 
FaZeUp
2016-10-13 23:42
#38
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Spain Alser 
Sad for G2 and Na'Vi but ggwp to the qualified teams
2016-10-13 23:42
#84
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Spain akproxx 
g2 xddddddd
2016-10-13 23:58
conratz to Taz and Pasha for losing VP slot !
2016-10-13 23:42
#40
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Armenia KKegham 
"f3 relegated to premier" LUL
2016-10-13 23:43
#41
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Poland Acravis 
No vp no fun :(
2016-10-13 23:43
#44
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Lithuania Paulius_CS 
NO VP and NAVI for the LAN RIP Brazil event
2016-10-13 23:44
Good. That will teach both of them to treat online games with more respect.
2016-10-13 23:47
#55
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Lithuania Paulius_CS 
And now we have a bunch of teams that are boring to watch on lan.....
2016-10-13 23:48
Na will have a great event considering the shitty EU teams attending
2016-10-13 23:49
Both of the teams can only blame themselves. You can't win tournament without qualifying.
2016-10-14 00:07
They tried, but the onliner teams will always prevail and grab the top spots, waiting for amazing performances from mouz and faze on lan. Oh wait.
2016-10-13 23:48
I just wonder how easily SK win the tourney and how far can fnatic go.
2016-10-14 00:07
Agree
2016-10-14 00:20
FaZeUP & mouzgehts
2016-10-13 23:46
#48
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Europe MyNameIsWho 
Astralis,Na'Vi,G2, VP. Gonna be boring lan
2016-10-13 23:46
#57
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Brazil SK|coldzera 
but we have 6 NA TEAMS INSTEAD POGCHAMP kappa
2016-10-13 23:48
Faze and mouz to own on lan. Kappa nrg to destroy everyone as well.
2016-10-13 23:49
#61
FalleN | 
World Vechnyp 
when only one team from top5 has qualified you realize how dogshit these rankings are
2016-10-13 23:50
Rankings are given with more emphasis on lan performances, if the qualifiers are online, how the fuck do you expect the lan teams to play good? Inb4 vp lost to Russia and Norway yada yada cry cry Salty swede with pea brain strikes again. Do you ever think before typing, or just write whatever rubbish comes to your mind? According to your dogshit logic fnatic mouz and faze should in top 5?
2016-10-13 23:54
#71
FalleN | 
World Vechnyp 
28 matches and if you are legit top5 team you should be capable to be in that top8 list of the group. You should stick to spamming hltv matchpages
2016-10-13 23:53
Top 6 VP are horrible online and still managed dame points as 5th place, which is an achievement. But then you ignore the fact that faze and mouz are dogshit on lan. Atleast I spam sensible shit, unlike the pea brain stuff you do. Oh wait a good team lost to a shit team, yeah the rankings must be dogshit. All swedes are so salty for some unknown reason. Maybe it's because their teams are dogshit now and they know it as well.
2016-10-13 23:58
#82
FalleN | 
World Vechnyp 
online, huh
2016-10-13 23:57
Renegades 16-0 SK Time to crawl into cupboard and cry
2016-10-13 23:59
#89
FalleN | 
World Vechnyp 
That is legit your only answer for everything. Consider checking your mental state, you clearly have some decent issues right there.
2016-10-14 00:00
Damn you have no shame, still coming for more after getting humiliated everyday, must be common for you at home irl I guess. You are not affected by it. Admire your dedication to continue being salty kappa You have literally been spamming the words excuse, jetlag and mix team for the past 2 weeks.
2016-10-14 00:03
#97
FalleN | 
World Vechnyp 
sk won 2 majors and multiple lans in this year, the only lan vp won this year is E League, definitely LAN team Kappa. You are that type of guy who will find excuses for vp at any time.
2016-10-14 00:03
You are clearly trolling and it was successful, got em My nigga
2016-10-14 00:22
Think you guys should get a room and get rid of all that sexual tension right here.
2016-10-14 00:12
#72
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Spain Alser 
LOL blames the rankings instead of the teams playing online Online leagues should decide the top 5 fo' sho
2016-10-13 23:54
What do you expect from a salty sk fan, who keeps spamming anti vp stuff, on every vp thread, like its his hobby.
2016-10-13 23:56
thats so ironic considering youre doing exactly the same lmao
2016-10-14 01:56
im posting anti vp stuff ? wtf
2016-10-14 12:16
i just have to scroll through this thread to see you whining about mouz and faze qualifying over vp
2016-10-14 13:23
ayy lmao
2016-10-14 12:40
#66
Spain SR4 
EZ 4 FNATIC
2016-10-13 23:52
#69
flusha | 
Costa Rica XzD 
I smell some tilt 4Head
2016-10-13 23:53
#70
byali | 
Poland vezz. 
The thing is, the online matches are often scheduled close after/before other big LAN events. Most of the teams that qualified are not going to many LANs so they could mainly concentrate on EPL. Anyway, seems like this will be a close tournament. SK will probably win, but the fight for 2nd place is open.
2016-10-13 23:53
#231
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World Vidua 
Hm, that's an interesting argument - I wonder if it has factual impact. Teams like VP and NaVi usually reach top 4 on LANs and get late from those LANs to home (on Monday). Then on Tuesday only 24 hours (or less) after coming home they are required to play EPL game online.
2016-10-14 12:48
#74
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Turkey OdinA 
gj nip and sweden
2016-10-13 23:54
VP should be banned from these leagues. Giving no fucks, throwing matches like they're just random online matches and not matches to go to LAN. People rushing and leaving the team 4v5 10 rounds in a row (Pasha) or not holding basic spots for the pushes or not buying guns and keeping mp9s or Novas just to throw. They could be throwing cause they don't want to go to more LANs and nothing happens to them. They don't give a fuck when they are already qualified for WESG, E-League or the majors which have bigger prizes. Should be investigated and banned from these leagues and their LAN events if necessary
2016-10-13 23:55
What would be the point in throwing? If you qualify you can decline the invitation, y'know... VP weren't doing anything remotely suspicious imo, they just seem to be a team that 'expirement' Online too much - that's hardly a crime. Maybe they're just getting sloppier.
2016-10-14 00:48
LUL
2016-10-13 23:58
#85
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Poland trancemeister 
NiP , Mousesports , FaZe on lan xDD i aren't think that. :D
2016-10-13 23:58
NiP are decent wtf r u want dude
2016-10-14 00:10
#253
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France t3r4byt3 
doesnt like NiP and has no respect for f0rest or GTR ¯\_(&#12484;)_/¯ Huck FLTV
2016-10-14 18:27
Everybody is so salty that their favorite teams got beat out by Mouz and EnVy, lol.
2016-10-14 00:00
NAVI and VP have many fans in brazil, sad :(
2016-10-14 00:00
Haha..... SK Win ESL SAO PAULO!!! GO! SK!
2016-10-14 00:05
FaZe, Mousesports, fnatic qualify Na'Vi, VP, G2 don't. the problem with online leagues. good tournament for nV though, and Dignitas are going to make a deep run. inb4 SK out in groups.
2016-10-14 00:08
VP should not have even been in the Pro League. NaVi have this one toxic bully that is now not going to annoy us in Brazil. G2 were a summer-hype team, now it's fall and they are back at tier2. the finals teams are just fine.
2016-10-14 03:04
it's good VP were eliminated because they had an unfair advantage, but no matter what they should deserve to play in events like this. This could've been a massive tournament with all the big teams but now its just going to be a stomp. name me a summer hype team that beat 3 top 5 teams 2-0 in the same event and then beat the best team in the world, in their prime, 2-0 in the grand final of a big tournament, when no one else could. you're comparing Cloud9 players to legends like shox and ScreaM.
2016-10-14 16:10
wtf VP...
2016-10-14 00:08
'online games doesn't matter' here's the result ahah, enjoying watching from home VP and NaVi
2016-10-14 00:13
#233
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World Vidua 
I'm sure they will cry getting some rest finally after 6 weekends of LAN events in a row that majority of qualified teams don't attend.
2016-10-14 12:51
#122
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Sweden godname 
lol bad lan teams xd
2016-10-14 00:16
are they tho? really think about it
2016-10-14 02:24
onliners tourmanent GL NiP
2016-10-14 00:17
Yes, a tournament consisting of teams that have been performing well and showing their worth in online matches. That is correct :) I suppose that's what you mean when you say "onliners", right?
2016-10-14 00:20
being good online doesnt make you a good team. I Dont have anything against this Format or against the teams that qualified. But Lets be real, vp and navi are Better than everyone except nip maybe
2016-10-14 00:25
no, being good offline AND online makes you a good team.
2016-10-14 01:21
But where do you win money and trophies..cmon we both know online means nothing compared to lan. Sure i still agree with you, But if i had to decide between them i would wann be Better on lan.
2016-10-14 01:37
To your credit I agree, that being good at LAN is more impressive than being good online, as it takes more coolness with big money at stake and filled arenas. I just don't like the whole discourse around online matches as being something that we can't measure anything by. Online matches are IMO more "neutral" than LAN, where the crowd have their favorites and can affect the moral of the teams. Just look at the recent "world cup" where Argentina got into the final cheered on by the crowd (and casters). Had this been online they would have never gotten there.
2016-10-14 02:06
Ok thats a good point Because i felt the Same way. I always thought you could see tendencies and map development from teams online Which would be relevant on lan. Like i said, i do still think this way and online matches have their place. I respect that those teams could rise to the occasion. Its just when i see People Talk about rankings where i tend to disagree. Its good that only lan events count in those, i cant even.imagine how they would look like with online play. Cloud9 Top 1 probably
2016-10-14 03:47
I don't think LANs should be the only thing that counts in the rankings. Online should imo be included, but teams should just receive much less points from winning online matches compared to LAN.
2016-10-14 12:32
The Problem is where do you draw the line. Some teams are famous for not giving a shit online for example. Some teams are known to be more comfortable at home. On lan however all of them care and it Shows not only if youre a good enough Player, But if youre a strong enough character. At least in my opinion
2016-10-14 14:52
Maybe they should start caring about online matches then?
2016-10-14 18:16
haha they probably should , But we cant do anything about that. Maybe that will change though with These big leagues
2016-10-14 23:35
mobile.twitter.com/Thooorin/status/78673.. No hate i just thought it fits perfectly Hahah. Not my opinion
2016-10-14 23:47
I completely agree with Thorin :) And you'll also notice that I didn't say that teams that can't perform online are "not very good". I said that teams that can't perform online can't claim to be called the very best in the world.
2016-10-15 02:16
Yea, Which is basically what thorin did putting vp at number 1. But i would rather agree with you
2016-10-15 02:25
tbh i think it's fine that rankings are made based on LAN. what rly gets to me is just when people make excuses when their team lost "because it's online". You can talk about motivation but we as spectators cannot possibly know if the team is motivated or not. So in the end no - it's because your team did not perform well. Period.
2016-10-15 02:29
There definitely are some salty Ass losers in our community
2016-10-15 05:26
Also, fuck thorin that arrogant prick :D all patronising and shit. Edit: Thorin is a lot of fun and a good analyst, but damn he's arrogant as fuck!
2016-10-15 02:30
I fucking love his Content to be honest and i have watched all of his Videos and by the numbers as well. I recommend watching his New Video AMAs even tho they are very long. Believe me,you get a good Sense of what Kind of a Person he really is, how much time and love he Puts into things and How "real" he has been and still is. Very knowledgable and "wise" too. Same goes for Richard.i Dont wanna suck their dick or anything, im Bein real.I have so much respect for both, But i see why you say arrogant. I guess that is one of our human weaknesses. If you have a big fanbase you begin to think youre always right and those 2 can be very self-orientated and self absorbed. But the scene would be hella worse without them
2016-10-15 05:25
if your not good online you wont get to a lan IE navi or vp because thats obvious you support one of them
2016-10-14 02:21
I Dont Support one of them. Obviously you wont qualify if you play Bad online, But they win when invited,now what? Both is important,But lan is way more important
2016-10-14 03:51
now what? is this a competition or something lol shh kid, so every tournament should be invite only and no more online tournaments ever? and in this case you dont get to lan if you suck online end off its there own fault no on elses
2016-10-14 03:54
Did i say otherwise? People acting like they are worse than the teams who qualified, thats Not true. Online play has its place, its fine this way
2016-10-14 04:18
lol
2016-10-14 04:49
Sidenote : if you really are 20 years old, i would go easy on that whole kid thing.
2016-10-14 14:49
define kid
2016-10-14 22:37
Im just fuckin with you man. I know age doesnt matter when talking about maturity, But if you think im a kid age wise ima have to disappoint you. That now what was maybe meant in a different way than you think, But we good danny
2016-10-14 23:31
#234
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World Vidua 
I wasn't aware NaVi and VP are not going to LANs...
2016-10-14 12:52
25-1 in NA division cloud9 wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/Cloud9.. cant reach group satage in any LAN with EU teams or in best scenario rekt tier4 shiters like flipside helraisrs gambit etc... where in next match against tier1 teams losing 2:0 with less than 8x rounds Faze on LAN here is just R.I.P wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/FaZe_C.. Mousesports same R.I.P on LAN wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/Mouses.. but fuckign VP Navi teams what show beauty this game on LAN cant secure spot
2016-10-14 00:46
then VP and NaVi rly need to start working on their online play...
2016-10-14 01:21
If you want to be considered a top team you need to be able to perform both online and offline.
2016-10-14 00:18
#235
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World Vidua 
Never in history of this game online results had any impact on deciding the best team - never in past 15 years.
2016-10-14 12:53
no, but my opinion remains that a true champion should be able to pwn them n00bs online as well.
2016-10-14 18:19
#132
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Sweden hudgun 
-dig -nv -faze +vp +navi +g2
2016-10-14 00:24
This type of format only shows how bad BO1 are. Navi, VP, G2 out of lan finals with 750k dollars on the line, while faze and mouz, two dogshit teams on lan qualified. I think this only shows how much better BO3 is in comparison to a BO1. Everyone can have bad maps, but i dont think numbers 2 and 3 in the world, vp and navi, can keep using the excuse that it is an online match. I believe if they were BO3 we would have VP and Navi on the lan finals.
2016-10-14 00:24
This was a BO26.
2016-10-14 02:06
Exactly! The argument that BO1 is not indicative of who performed the best makes no sense when there's played no less than 26 games
2016-10-14 02:09
#236
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World Vidua 
But every game counts. Winning 16:14 single map and losing other one 16:1 gives you 3 points. That shouldn't be the case. If it has BO1 the way points are counted needs to change. It should be BO3 though.
2016-10-14 12:56
Yes, every game counts, but when you have 26 maps to play you have plenty of room to make up for potential slip-ups.
2016-10-14 18:17
#256
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World Vidua 
There isn't any room because you can't bounce back and win series as losing one map is the end. Imagine if NaVi lost in ESL New York with VP after login cbble 3:16. VP plowed through them but NaVi had the grit to fight back and win the whole series by a strand of a hair. Top 3 teams excel in such moments and there it's not possible to show it at BO1 online.
2016-10-14 19:58
i dont think you're understanding my point. my point is that when you have a season that spans 26 games you will have plenty of matches to make up for losses. when you play 26 games over the course of a season it will give a rather precise picture of who has played well and who hasn't. you could look at it as a BO26.
2016-10-15 02:23
+1
2016-10-14 03:15
I would agree if it was a short tournament. But the teams in E-League play 26 games, so even if it's BO1 there are a lot of games to make up for possible slip-ups.
2016-10-14 02:08
but both teams have lost 2-0 a few times this season so wouldst matter, stop making up bullshit excuses for them, even the players are not saying thats the problem, so shut it my fellow global friend
2016-10-14 02:23
agree 100%
2016-10-14 09:32
Flipside Top1 Universe (no, they're going to play in 2nd division)
2016-10-14 00:29
fucking cancer leaque with eve more cancerus format ehhhhh dont know what to write just let better team win this SK vs who? NIP??????? -nrg -clown9 -faze -renegades -mousespoerst -envy -fnatic (shadow old team) -imortals right now only waiting for news from ESL what increase slots numbers from 12 to 14 otherwise from tier1 lan we got tier4 onliners clash pls ESl kick this fuckers from ESEA what only had buissnes and profit to play this leaque ONLINE!! just bring all teams to own studio and let them play like do it this ELEAQUE !!!
2016-10-14 00:37
the salt is real. you gotta respect the endeavors of the teams who qualified.
2016-10-14 01:24
vp fangay spotted
2016-10-14 02:18
els gives a chance to vp 2 times and they ruined everything, dont cry now.
2016-10-14 03:38
The stupidity in this post...
2016-10-14 06:49
fnatic > HOMESENT
2016-10-14 00:32
Not even sure how envyus makes for these tournaments
2016-10-14 00:43
rip vp and navi
2016-10-14 00:45
relax in next 14 start real tournament ELEAQUE SEASON 2 last season this fantastic leaque only prove teams like faze mousesports cloud9 waiting rough time
2016-10-14 00:53
ez SK!
2016-10-14 00:46
#160
HUNDEN | 
Other ToRu 
no VP sad
2016-10-14 00:51
VP c4ncer THROW team !
2016-10-14 01:01
no navi no funny
2016-10-14 01:20
#172
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United States sayNt 
f3 legend status every major but are now PremierSide LUL
2016-10-14 01:36
no VP/NaVi/G2 easy SK
2016-10-14 02:14
hahaha rip fnatic they said
2016-10-14 02:16
#237
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World Vidua 
Hahaha wait till LAN finals -.-
2016-10-14 12:57
#191
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Faroe Islands _shubaN 
fnatic top 1 LUL
2016-10-14 02:47
#192
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Brazil hugoooo 
LOL This favors NA teams a lot.
2016-10-14 02:51
It will be most boring ESL finals ever. Also -VP -NAVI = -200.000 viewers.
2016-10-14 03:00
#218
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Lithuania LuXe 
jup, im just gonna read hltv news about the finals, nothing more
2016-10-14 09:47
Not sure what the fuzz is about. Right now the depth(bottom of tier 1, tier 2 or whatever you wanna call them) teams are closer to the best than ever before. Any top20 team can beat anyone. Many teams going through the major qualifier actually has a chance to win the major itself. S Mouz made top4 in EL that was solely played on LAN, for all talk about it making all the difference to the outcome. The real reason here is actually that some teams don't bring the same intensity and preparation to online games. If they fail to qualify because of it that's their problem, has nothing to do with the format(26 fucking games, mind you, we're not talking any flukes here).
2016-10-14 03:33
first ask how this mousesport do it playoffs in eleaque i spoiller you organize DSQ 2x teams SK and Heroic this onliners should never play Last Chance Qualifier but lucky is luck and we take Heroic spot based on lose maps rounds difreance!!! out of tournament after own games in group wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/Turner.. jesus how i hate this onliners faggots they on paper end this tournament like all in group stage with quick and izi 2x loses
2016-10-14 03:52
#225
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Australia Spionier 
lol a VP fan hates onliners.. that just means you are biased. If VP would be good online and choke offline you wouldn't complain about them being onliners.
2016-10-14 11:57
hahahahahaha fnatic. online rekting everyone, at lan going out in groups. Undeserved spot
2016-10-14 07:52
literally played one LAN so far lmao stay salty
2016-10-14 08:19
stay delusional fnatic fangay
2016-10-14 08:24
#224
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Australia Spionier 
madcuzbad
2016-10-14 11:54
#212
nukkye | 
United States yvr 
flipside xD
2016-10-14 08:02
-fnc -nip cuz zika
2016-10-14 09:29
12. Heroic - $5,500 (Relegation vs. 3rd placed in Premier) 13. PENTA - $3,000 (Relegation vs. 2nd placed in I don't understand the meaning of this. Are they playing vs the 3rd and 2nd best team in Premier League, to stay in Pro-league?
2016-10-14 11:16
correct. F3 are gonna to swap places with the 1st place of the Premier league
2016-10-14 11:49
Thank you :)
2016-10-14 12:37
#254
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Turkey Shanon 
yeah
2016-10-14 18:28
Still: Fl1pside will have a major spot. EZ group
2016-10-14 11:53
World #1 and #2 not on LAN? GG. and onliners like NiP, FaZe, mouz (ROFL) on LAN. GG. Best tournament EU.
2016-10-14 12:48
mouse,faze onliners gj. out of groups
2016-10-14 14:49
Mouz and Faze instead of VP and Na'Vi FailFish
2016-10-14 15:13
#243
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Poland mamba99999 
This EPL will be sooo ResidentSleeper, practicly no top teams, half EU and NA. Screw it.
2016-10-14 15:20
#255
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France t3r4byt3 
when you realize that two of the Major legends are in Premier, you know the Legends and Challengers system should go
2016-10-14 18:29
#274
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Germany TnnX 
Or maybe just the semifinalists become Legends
2016-10-17 01:51
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