Players protest PEA exclusivity

An open letter signed by members of Cloud9, CLG, Immortals, Team Liquid and TSM has been released by Scott "SirScoots" Smith, who was selected as a representative of 25 affected players. The goal of the letter is to protest the decision by PEA team owners to not compete in ESL Pro League next season.

An open letter, signed by the likes of Jordan "n0thing" Gilbert, Spencer "Hiko" Martin and Sean "seang@res" Gares, was released earlier today, citing "being told by the PEA and our team owners that we do not have the right to choose where we compete and that they intend to prevent us from playing in ESL Pro League" as the main reason.


n0thing's Cloud9 is one of the teams that signed the open letter 

According to the letter, PEA representatives had in the beginning stated that the league has no intention to be exclusive and assured the players that their voice will be heard in league operations.

Around IEM Oakland, the players' concerns grew due to rumors they were hearing, which started a discussion between them and PEA, with the help of Scott "SirScoots" Smith. 

An extract from the letter:

"The same week as IEM Oakland, we started seeing more serious reasons for concern about what the PEA was doing. We started hearing rumors that some of us were about to be told we would have to withdraw from the next season of ESL Pro League. We also heard rumors that the PEA and EPL actually had no active or ongoing discussions to ensure that they wouldn’t conflict with each other. This was contrary to what we had been told back in September and October, and it was at this point that we realized we needed help." 

"A few of us reached out to Scott “SirScoots” Smith, who has been a valuable friend and mentor to many of us over the years. He was happy to help, and was pretty quickly able to confirm that the PEA and EPL hadn’t really talked about working together to make sure there wouldn’t be issues. From what we heard, it seemed that EPL welcomed the discussion, but the PEA was not interested in talking. We decided to ask Scott to represent us more formally in approaching the PEA and our team owners about the situation, and thankfully he accepted. Scott has been in esports for 16 years and has been a consistent advocate for professional Counter-Strike players in that time. He’s outspoken and critical in all directions, and also has experience as a team owner, so we felt he would be a great central voice for us to work through. He now represents all of the 25 players who signed this letter in discussions with the PEA and our team owners, and we hope that our friends from NRG and CompLexity will turn 25 into 35 after they read this."

Read the full release on Medium.

According to the letter, players were not able to accomplish much by talking directly to their team owners and the league commissioner Jason Katz, so they have decided to open up the topic and include the community in the discussion.

As the letter states, this is how you can help:

Thank you all for taking the time to read this letter. If you understand where we’re coming from, and you want to help, the best way to do so is to speak out. Contact the PEA and our team owners — let them know how you feel. Tell your friends and colleagues about what’s going on, and be vocal on Twitter and other social media outlets. If you’re a professional player, whether you’re on a PEA team or not, and whether you play Counter-Strike or any other game: get in touch with us by sending Scott an email. We’d love to add you to the conversation.

"Thank you all for taking the time to read this letter. If you understand where we’re coming from, and you want to help, the best way to do so is to speak out. Contact the PEA and our team owners — let them know how you feel. Tell your friends and colleagues about what’s going on, and be vocal on Twitter and other social media outlets. If you’re a professional player, whether you’re on a PEA team or not, and whether you play Counter-Strike or any other game: get in touch with us by sending Scott an email. We’d love to add you to the conversation." - Medium post

The letter was signed by all five players from the following teams:

United States Cloud9
United States CLG
United States Liquid
Brazil Immortals
United States TSM 

Out of the current PEA members, only the NRG and Complexity players have not signed the open letter at the release of the article.

Professeur writes for HLTV.org and can be found on Twitter.

United States Spencer 'Hiko' Martin
Spencer 'Hiko' Martin
Age:
29
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
917
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.62
APR:
0.14
United States Jordan 'n0thing' Gilbert
Jordan 'n0thing' Gilbert
Age:
29
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
813
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.15
United States Sean 'seang@res' Gares
Sean 'seang@res' Gares
Age:
31
Rating 1.0:
0.88
Maps played:
713
KPR:
0.59
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.14
n1
2016-12-22 00:35
WTF
2016-12-22 00:36
#31
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Denmark chrkloster 
I knew it the second I heard about an org like PEA would be bad for the scene. Honestly the players should just go together and refuse to play after the major, if things don't change. I know it can be hard economical but the players have enough money to not play for at least a decent amont of months, and that will force the owners to listen to the players. Pro League needs to survive!
2016-12-22 00:44
#55
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Denmark WeiZy0 
I haven't gotten into the PEA thing, what is it? What do they do?
2016-12-22 01:06
Basically an NA WESA
2016-12-22 01:10
#62
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Denmark WeiZy0 
Oh okay.
2016-12-22 01:11
#126
REZ | 
Sweden jackir 
and since it's NA tey fucked up EVERYTHING
2016-12-22 05:11
New drake/moon project drakewing.com Code: summit (for 1$)
2016-12-25 12:57
#187
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Brazil LaicaBoss 
ok, so, they basically signed up the PEA deal and now they are protesting?
2016-12-22 14:58
there are plenty of good players in need of money
2016-12-22 09:01
ESL pro league is the shittiest thing that has happened is CS scene for a while. Rules are being changed according to how "big" teams make it during the season. A good example of this is VP being eliminated and then ESL making more spots and a "popularity" vote to get them back in.
2016-12-22 17:53
Exactly. It'd be deserving if they lost big NA teams as a result.
2016-12-22 18:17
The worst part about ESL PL is the fact that Americas has the same amount of spots as EU. Americas has only 3 good teams. Such a waste to let shit like liquid and echo fox play when EU has 10 teams better than that.
2016-12-23 10:27
Yes, you are right. Sadly ESL only cares about how publicly famous the teams are.
2016-12-27 01:46
#41
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Spain StarkForce1 
No NA on Proleague... where will the EU laugh about the smokes now?
2016-12-22 00:48
#65
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United Kingdom LANK 
Na
2016-12-22 01:13
WTF is PEA ? CSGO PETA ?
2016-12-22 00:37
ye
2016-12-22 00:37
can someone explain this article in english
2016-12-22 01:23
#156
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Singapore Prawblems 
Org owners don't want the players to play in the tournaments they want to play in
2016-12-22 10:07
basically an organization that controls which tournaments the teams play. And forcing them out of other leagues such as esl and Eleague. While they have their own league so they can profit from the whole NA region. They forced all NA region to PLay Exclusively on their own league so all the profit are theirs.
2016-12-23 05:24
NA protest lul
2016-12-22 00:36
Your part of NA m8.
2016-12-22 05:09
we friendly we loyal we are from mexico
2016-12-22 05:10
Please don't do this, I'm mexican Hispanic, don't make people hate mexican cs fans like they hate Brazilian cs fans.
2016-12-22 05:12
MarKE top 1 ez you will see
2016-12-22 05:13
He just asked you to stop acting like a complete moron/douche, but you continue to do so.. well done..
2016-12-22 06:47
HLTV in a nutshell. I guess its my fault for not expecting dissapointment in this shitty immature community.
2016-12-22 08:29
I like him, and hate stuck up people like you.
2016-12-22 10:25
Yee yee this cuck bean kid
2016-12-22 13:21
+1
2016-12-22 14:01
I hate people like you. Just letting you know. :^)
2016-12-22 14:22
+ fucking 1
2016-12-22 17:51
+1
2016-12-22 18:19
#245
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Argentina [Darkaren] 
Oh, so you don't get that he's being sarcastic?
2016-12-23 16:13
"we friendly we loyal we are from mexico" LMAO you made my day ! +1 :D
2016-12-22 08:41
He forgot "we smart". Oh wait..
2016-12-22 10:32
BUILD THE WALL ALREADY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD
2016-12-22 17:51
#5
Denmark zink 
ez info from that twitter guy
2016-12-22 00:36
#8
RpK | 
Iceland pumtac 
good read)
2016-12-22 00:36
gl teams
2016-12-22 00:35
ok
2016-12-22 00:36
FUCK PEA
2016-12-22 00:36
#14
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Syria Gonezxzx 
LOL
2016-12-22 00:36
Good For THem!!!
2016-12-22 00:36
#16
Jame | 
Iceland xijmplr 
why only NA teams tho?
2016-12-22 00:36
Only NA teams were included in PEA originally, EU already had WESA.
2016-12-22 00:45
whats pea and wesa ??
2016-12-22 02:52
ESports Exclusive orgs. They wanted to be special snowflakes and earn more money
2016-12-22 04:10
Where have you been the last year and a half?
2016-12-22 05:10
Well obviously fathering your baby.
2016-12-22 14:23
lol haha
2016-12-22 15:21
checkmate
2016-12-22 15:56
ive been around, but i didnt remember what is it
2016-12-22 15:22
what kind of question is this? do you see his flag? he is a SK dick riding brown rice eating pleb who only follows/pays attention when SK are playing a 'major' lul @ "fans" in 2016
2016-12-22 15:34
are you ignorant or stupid?
2016-12-22 16:02
are you fuck you?
2016-12-22 16:15
he is fuck him.
2016-12-23 05:35
i arent think that
2016-12-23 08:29
NA problems /closeeeeeeeee
2016-12-22 00:36
#19
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Hong Kong SHiFT^up 
Players' fault for being stupid and signing their rights away. Should have read those contracts.
2016-12-22 00:36
#28
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Austria db42 
reads kinda like they neither did have time nor a proper understanding to some extend what it even is and the veto thing is incredibly shady and PEA basicly backstabbed them in every way possible? I dont see how this is the players fault, besides "not reading their contracts", because im pretty fucking sure nowadays they give those to their lawyers before signing anything.....
2016-12-22 00:39
if they had given those to their lawyers then this might not have happened. at least if it was some esports lawyer like bryce blum who knows what should and shouldnt be in a contract like that. anyways this whole backstabbing shit will probably lead to players being more careful in the future.
2016-12-22 00:43
you could argue veterans like spencer and sean should know better, but half these kids sign their first contracts when they're barely even adults, if that. you really think they have easy access to lawyers or even agents? If they don't understand the industry, they might not even know who would represent their interests without bias towards the rest of the industry. It's not unreasonable for them to sign their first contracts based on good faith, even if they could afford a lawyer.
2016-12-22 07:34
NA orgs greedy.. Nothing new. Glad to see NA players stepping up tho.
2016-12-22 00:37
#30
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North America bloodwolf1710 
How tf is it greedy to not want to only play in 1 league especially when that league only has NA teams in its. Did u even read the post!!!
2016-12-22 00:41
do u suffer from autism by any chance xD i suppose u should read the comment and the post again xD
2016-12-22 00:44
Did YOU even read the post and my comment? LOL
2016-12-22 00:51
#53
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North America bloodwolf1710 
lol i read the first half and didnt c how u ended it lmao just assumed by org u ment the players too and i didnt bother to read the rest my bad
2016-12-22 01:00
You fucked up. Psych, I'm kidding again you idiot, no yuou didn't. That's just what I wanted to hear from you. Is that you fucked up ain't it?
2016-12-22 18:55
Ya I ducked up like I said in my reply u stupid favela
2016-12-22 19:45
no man i was just singing wtf chill dude
2016-12-22 22:04
singing wtf????????
2016-12-22 22:39
eminem - big weenie
2016-12-23 14:18
do you know what contract is?
2016-12-22 00:56
Yes... Did you read the post?
2016-12-22 01:08
i think it wasn't a question for you
2016-12-22 06:01
did i reply to you:)?
2016-12-22 09:09
TLDR
2016-12-22 00:37
PEA went back on what they said....PEA and team orgs don't give a fuck, but the players do. Most of the players don't want to be tied to an exclusive league/tournament, they want to be free to play when and where they choose. PEA trying to dictate their own agenda...no one likes a dictator! 'SirScoots'=LEGEND!!!
2016-12-22 01:05
+1 the last part is especially correct, Sirscoots is a legend!! I have even seen him direct/produce some live videos of a youtuber who played roleplaying games :D he's awesome.
2016-12-22 01:34
#190
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Brazil LaicaBoss 
ok, so, a few months ago who signed this were the org owners? And now, the players are protesting against bcuz it wasn't clearly explained to them? Also, the PEA dont wanna players playing other leagues which are not related with own PEA?
2016-12-22 15:10
Basically, yes. It's a little more complicated than that. When the orgs signed up with the PEA there were no outlined rules or anything saying that the players couldn't play ESL Pro League....now they are being told they can't. Out of 'good will', the PEA have allowed the players to choose between PEA or ESL. I don't know the whole story myself though, only what I have read (which is a lot), but it's mostly peoples opinions on the matter rather than the factual points and when they occurred. Best to look it up, than take my word for it tbh.
2016-12-24 04:46
Were gonna start a riot... Lol
2016-12-22 00:38
No stop, I don't want to play League of Faggots :(
2016-12-22 08:43
#26
Serbia FREb 
I'd like to thank the players for not being pussies.
2016-12-22 00:39
MURICA PROBLEMS
2016-12-22 00:41
if this so called PEA breaches the contract then they can be sued otherwise if they signed for an exclusivity contract unknowingly though luck lad
2016-12-22 00:43
apparently they signed for their orgs being able to decide what leagues and tournaments they play and dont play. but its not that tough luck really, since the orgs also signed for players being able to leverage the community against them which is whats happening right now. and with the whole community against the PEA they cant do whatever shit they planned.
2016-12-22 00:55
Um, what?
2016-12-22 02:49
contract breach is can be sued no?? isn't that logic?
2016-12-22 13:07
You seem to be very confused
2016-12-22 13:57
#36
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Brazil coachdag3x 
and a good drama to end the year
2016-12-22 00:44
Always in/from NA!
2016-12-22 03:29
nrg will sign the open letter
2016-12-22 00:46
damn...
2016-12-22 00:46
#40
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Sweden Mikacage 
hahaha xDD
2016-12-22 00:47
man that's a fucked up situation if PEA has it's way it would seperate NA and EU CS even more it really would hurt the competetiveness of the whole CS scene greedy retards
2016-12-22 00:58
#46
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France Roi_Arachnide 
Protect the players !
2016-12-22 00:55
That's a nice thing to say but at the end of the day it's he pro players that have to protect themselves. They are the talent they bring the goods and they signed the contracts they need to read them properly and assure that they have a fighting chance in these matters and can back it up via contract clauses
2016-12-22 22:08
Signing contracts in 2016 without reading it LUL
2016-12-22 00:55
Oh boy here we go
2016-12-22 00:55
I hope this will finally change the scene. Having a lawyer checking your contracts before you sign them doesn't automatically mean you can't have a relationship based on trust and friendship with the owners.. Gonna be interesting to see where this goes.
2016-12-22 00:56
#52
NEO | 
Poland camarpl 
and why would it matter if they play in a league or not, they have 2 good teams, both struggling to stay in top10, they are irrelevant, the fact that those teams don't play in a league won't affect viewership numbers at all, they are in no position to dictate terms, dunno what's PEA trying to accomplish
2016-12-22 00:57
+1 That would just kill EPL's NA division and make their scene less interesting.
2016-12-22 01:08
There is no good teams in pea...
2016-12-27 18:35
And the world is a simple place where everyone lives happily ever after. THE END.
2016-12-22 02:52
#56
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Brazil BuddyINSANE 
just do it... We smart, we loyal, we friendly, we are from BRAZIL! Kreygasm
2016-12-22 01:07
"Things change." ... How to alienate a group in two words.
2016-12-22 01:09
#63
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Other wholelottared 
lol col and nrg the teams that probably would have been regulated anyway
2016-12-22 01:11
#64
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Brazil wAc 
can somebody resume for me what is this
2016-12-22 01:12
#165
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Brazil Charizaldo 
It's like the ABCDE's issues in Brazil
2016-12-22 12:45
#228
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Brazil wAc 
i have no idea what is that
2016-12-23 03:58
#244
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Brazil Charizaldo 
so fuck yourself
2016-12-23 14:18
#246
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Brazil wAc 
sorry
2016-12-23 17:36
Fuck corporations!
2016-12-22 01:14
#68
smn | 
China HLTVMASTR 
Jason Katz > Riot Games esports senior management > Azubu COO only greedy orgs agree to do business with such shitstains
2016-12-22 01:19
#71
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Canada flame7 
if any of the 35 players had taken the time to check who Jason is and what he's done... they would have immediately known that PEA was not looking out for their interest.
2016-12-22 01:23
omg is that true? Just those 2 things are enough to stay as far away from that guy in terms of business!! :D I guess they didn't even glance at the contracts...
2016-12-22 01:41
I'll give you better... Vice President of Gaming and Vice President of Global Marketing Championship Gaming Series (CGS), a News Corp. company
2016-12-22 15:40
#205
smn | 
China HLTVMASTR 
fuck, i didnt find CGS on his linkedin it was the same shit with CGS, the teams could not participate in some tourneys
2016-12-22 16:16
all tier 2 teams
2016-12-22 01:22
NA problems NA drama NA letters NA everything so this PEA not allowed to play NA teams in upcoming ESL Pro League ? this means less slots to NA region and finaly VP can quali to LAN final ?
2016-12-22 01:30
Yes
2016-12-27 18:36
Protest now cause could be something worse later on, that they hit them with.
2016-12-22 01:30
Scoots is going to make those cunts at PEA beg for mercy, they don't want this fight. Literally the entire community is going to fix this, so good luck PEA and those concerned, you will need it ;)
2016-12-22 01:34
#78
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Sweden Kasidro 
jason katz being a scumbag, what a surprise
2016-12-22 01:36
who cares about NA? maybe stupid NA fans making noice in Eleague studio, so I cant fucking hear anything casters say... So it would be actually nice, if they play in exclusive league, it will make CS great again, we only want good teams participate in pro leagues
2016-12-22 01:43
Cloud 9 won the last Pro League you dumb cuck
2016-12-22 05:25
Yeah and Cloud9 have been insanely good after that, even qualified for the major, en route to wining it.
2016-12-22 07:32
just like #4 in the world NIP you no scener
2016-12-22 07:36
NIP is trash,not the first time they have got rekt by no scener teams
2016-12-22 16:41
Fluke
2016-12-22 12:10
I think NA people care about NA, it's a huge market. So calm your tits, guardian.
2016-12-22 11:53
#81
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Canada flame7 
I can't believe the amount of stupid replays on this article (mostly coming from EU people), don't you guys see that this is relevant to EVERYONE and EVERYWHERE! Restricting these 7 teams from EPL is just the beginning, if the orgs get away with it, (EPL being the most famous and biggest league on the world) what stops them from cutting their players from every other event but theirs in the future? Yeah sure you might be from Poland and you don't give a shit about Team Liquid or Cloud9.. but if those big names are not around for the events that YOUR TEAM DOES PLAY (the teams you I like I mean), that means that there will be a lot of less exposure and overall money around the sport, and that affects EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US! Don't be a fucking dick about, speak your mind and support the players when they need it the most (right now!) we, together as a community.. have the power to raise or erase associations like PEA from the face of Earth, do you really think that PEA will go ahead with their shitty NBA-esque structure if the viewers boycott their league? they're gonna have to swallow a bag of dicks and go back to the already profitable business strategy that eSports is nowadays.
2016-12-22 01:44
Sweden ia best so we dont care. Saves us the time of beating u guys all the time. Thx and bye, try again next year
2016-12-22 01:46
#86
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Canada flame7 
yeah you're right, CS should only be played and watched by Swedish people so it can die as fast as your culture is being raped by Islam
2016-12-22 01:49
+1 on muslim raped country, can confirm from stolen cell phone in refugee shelter
2016-12-22 01:52
Flame7 is right you are a stupid troll and we should ignore the stupid shit you wrote
2016-12-22 02:21
"us" So you playin' for Fnatic? NiP? no? ...us?
2016-12-22 14:30
Y would I wanna play for our shit teams? Godsent > Fnatic + NiP same time 16-0 5v10
2016-12-22 14:33
"us" "We" Not you. Please stop taking credit for other people's achievements as if you coincidentally being born in the same country gives you any right to.
2016-12-22 14:35
U mad cus u havnt eaten any "brownies" today? WE are better than you, accept and leave my post thx bye
2016-12-22 14:39
Stay pleb. :^)
2016-12-22 14:42
,,Yeah sure you might be from Poland and you don't give a shit about Team Liquid or Cloud9.. ,, what you say about Navi what also fail to quali to last LAN final together with VP from EU division ? but you fuckign enjoy 6x slots from NA what goes to that giants like NRG optic rengades TL C9 immortals
2016-12-22 02:10
#91
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Canada flame7 
"what you say about Navi what also fail to quali to last LAN final together with VP from EU division ?" they failed to qualify because historically they don't give a shit about their online game, if 7 teams from the other side of the world stand down from the league that won't change the fact that VP doesn't give a shit. Also, its safe to assume that just because of those teams not playing EPL, it doesnt mean that there will be 8 slots for EU in the LAN finals, given that exposure on the US and America in general is valued much higher for sponsors and enterprises altogehter (a US viewer is more likely to spend money on the products advertised in said league, than for example... a polak) so if the league is getting less money from sponsors and partners because the most valued viewers are not represented in the competition, that hurts not only VP, but the community as a whole. PS: VP wouldn't qualify even if all 8 teams going to the finals were from EU, they just don't give a fuck about online and therefor lose to tier3 teams there. (they are legends on lan tho)
2016-12-22 02:17
VP and Navi are GLOBAL BRAND in e sport and they have fans around they world you dickhead you can compare this teams to fucking real madrid barcelona and only who is on ,,-,, are sponsors event organisers and less ppl on crowd twich without this 2x big organization not 12 years old polish kids what cant spend 50 euro for this teams T-shit acesories for example 1000000 mln ppl in china will be know what i Navi recognize player like Dendi from dota but i give cut me penis they dont know nothing about NA shit eaters from call of duty aka faze optic and dont give shit about them like everybody in EU
2016-12-22 03:45
#117
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Canada flame7 
I can already see you using insults trying to give your argument some credibility... dickhead. I'm sorry I'm not trying to be a dick but your english is so broken I can't understand 2/3s of what you're trying to say, btw sponsors dont give a shit about team tshirts... you think INTEL/GFUEL/ASUS/BENQ/ETC gives a fuck about how many apparel VP or NAVI sells? get a fucking grip on reality kiddo, they are interested in selling their high-end products to the viewers of said event, and 99% of Poland can't afford an i7 processor without breaking the bank, meanwhile in the US a 15 year old working part time at mcdonalds can get it with 2 weeks of his salary. Yeah I get it, Euro teams have fans outside of Europe... Those represent a marginal fraction of the revenue that American teams like optic and c9 can drive towards the industry being that they represent a nation that consumes more of everything than your entire fucking continent. I repeat myself, get a grip on reality.
2016-12-22 03:59
#118
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Canada flame7 
BTW your arguemnt from an outside POV reads like this: "This PEA thing is good because there is less competition for the teams I like, hence they have a better chance at doing good" That's just fucking pathetic, mediocre AT BEST from you my friend
2016-12-22 04:04
well, it seems you are the only guy with a decent brain around. you should start ignoring these kind of ppl. i mean, they don't deserve any atention at all.
2016-12-22 12:46
VP and Navi are GLOBAL BRAND haha, no. Just like some people like Stewie2k and therefore support C9 doesn't mean C9 is an international brand. CIS teams are most popular, and always will be, in CIS countries. VP will always be a Polish team. Every team has some fans in every corner of the world. Does not mean VP or Na'vi as a brand is global.
2016-12-22 14:34
+1 as a starting position for some remotely intelligent discussion.
2016-12-22 02:56
Good, CS is shit anyways. They can disband the whole scene. Cheaters, iBP, ur mother can go sleep in garbage, HLTV? Nothing good has come from CS Gaben, I stand by your frequently updated dota2
2016-12-22 01:45
wut
2016-12-22 01:47
Honestly, if the player's owners aren't going to let them compete in EPL, there is no reason to not leave their orgs and either create new ones like Astralis or join with existing orgs like Dignitas or even see if more sports teams want to join the CS scene.
2016-12-22 01:49
#93
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Canada mattyfinch 
Players signed to Contracts in the NHL NBA NFL and so on are restricted to competitions inside that league only. The PEA obviously aims to create the same dynamic. The issue here is obviously the amount of money the players stand to lose ATM with the prize money discrepancies. This is a classic example of their being too many cooks in the kitchen.
2016-12-22 02:30
Honestly, the players should just tell pea to fuck off. Yes they are theoretically "lawfully binded" by those contracts but what are pea actually going to do? Thorin made a video on this a while back. If all the players turned around and straight up refused to play, PEA would be finished anyway, as well as that there's no way they could take 25 - possibly 35 players to court, they wouldn't be able to sustain it. There's no way PEA is ever going to last now this has gone public
2016-12-22 02:32
#95
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Europe ROMAG 
seriously there are a bunch of org unions players should make a union to represent them and fuck off WESA and PEA
2016-12-22 02:36
Back then when I first saw this, I knew right away, something bad would happen: youtube.com/watch?v=7aqlgI760Ps
2016-12-22 02:49
NA PROTEST 4Head
2016-12-22 02:49
This is ridiculous, PEA needs to back the fuck down. The players are free to manage their career how they want to. Fuck you PEA.
2016-12-22 02:51
#103
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Canada flame7 
Just think about it, why is every org owner and Jason denying a copy of their presentation material to the players and SirScoots? because they know that once they have it, it's going to go public and people are gonna go batshit crazy against them over the stupidity of their claims (PEA claiming they're only looking out for the players interest) fucking scumbags pieces of shit... backstabbing their own players, of whom they are all getting dirty fucking rich.
2016-12-22 02:58
this is ridiculous, fuck PEtA
2016-12-22 03:00
Jason Katz? Lmao 1. Whoever is resposible for leauge decisions in affected teams is retarded. 2. PEA is retarded if they think their azubu pile of shit will break 100 viewers with EPL running at the same time. 3. PEA is retarded if they think their azubu pile of shit will get decent viewership in any scenario. 4. The playera should hire personal lawyers to make sure they don't do retarded shit, like letting their team make such decisions with no exclusivity disclaimers 5. NRG and Col are actually not completely retarded, an exclusive leauge is not a bad deal for low teams that probably wouldn't achieve much in other leauges anyway. That being said, I don't really care too much. There is enough good teams in EU to fill an event. I'm looking forward to EPL.
2016-12-22 03:05
Probably the only time i will ever say this, but im with esl on this one
2016-12-22 03:17
#107
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France Evocat 
Isn't that exactly why Faze dropped out of WESA?
2016-12-22 03:18
What they trying is going to happen anyway. Its like that in every big sports and that is good. It will be less mixed up and time shedules will be better for teams. Becomming a big thing have negatives part but this isnt 2008 when you just traveled from lan to lan.
2016-12-22 03:20
#122
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Canada flame7 
By that logic you're implying that the only path for eSports its the one that was carved for regular sports more than a hundred years ago, don't be naive.
2016-12-22 05:05
If you don't like PEA, why did you sign up for it?
2016-12-22 03:26
Maybe if you could read, you'd be able to answer your own stupid question
2016-12-22 03:33
This is when greed meets shadiness. Deserved and expected from NA orgs!
2016-12-22 03:36
iBP number 2?
2016-12-22 03:42
yeah, number 2 on the ban list
2016-12-22 03:45
RESPECT for SirScoots!
2016-12-22 04:20
it's good that this became an open letter if this stuff remains in the dark and the best competitions end up being exclusive it will be a huge detriment to this game's growth (and growth to esports in general)
2016-12-22 04:23
FeelsBad :/
2016-12-22 05:53
with cs getting bigger and bigger, is is just the begginign, but is also a thing that can just kill the whole game lmao, good move from the players... 2017 will be a good year, but also a dangerous one... I hope the cs pro community and team owners prove they love the game, and not money =)
2016-12-22 06:09
Pardon me, I forgot what is the PEA. Could someone tell me?
2016-12-22 06:39
Wait for Thorin's video on this. He uncovered the ESL exclusivity tricks and shady stuff behind the scenes. Pretty sure he knows more than what's mentioned in the article. On the whole, exclusivity sucks. It creates segregation on multiple levels. People will be forced to play ball or gtfo. Any kind of exclusivity crap needs to be kicked in the face. The scene has finally stabilized in terms of talent across the board where anyone can beat anyone and now these fucking vultures have come along.
2016-12-22 07:13
tl;dr pls
2016-12-22 07:22
Please make more retarded associations. Thanks
2016-12-22 07:28
#143
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Portugal dracø 
SirScoots the hero that the players need and deserve! This companies's greed is trying to sabotage what took years to accomplish. I hope the players find a way to fuck them right back.
2016-12-22 08:05
#154
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Finland gouca 
fuck NA greedy motherfuckers can't read their contracts
2016-12-22 09:20
exactly what i thought
2016-12-22 21:09
PEA explained by Thorin 09.09.2016. www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ41OkPr97s
2016-12-22 08:55
lul so much cry about WESA and now this xDDDDD
2016-12-22 08:58
Ever heard of a contract lawyer? Between this and Fallen's SK contract I'm starting to think these players cant read.
2016-12-22 09:06
#155
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Austria neodan 
they only see $$ signs in the contract
2016-12-22 09:58
FREE AMERICA
2016-12-22 10:35
tips for better journalism: could you at least explain what PEA stands for, whos in it, when it was formed etc?
2016-12-22 10:43
Just what I was thinking. It would have been simple and easy to include the info.
2016-12-22 13:36
what is PEA lol im stupid
2016-12-22 10:43
PEA needs to issue a statement on this. This is some bad pr rite here.
2016-12-22 13:38
what the fuck is pea and why does anyone care
2016-12-22 14:05
#175
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Croatia mds818 
No wonder ESL is starting some shit again.
2016-12-22 14:16
So what the players are really saying is "I didn't read what I was signing and that's not my fault." I don't buy it. Especially after the loud outcry about player contracts that has been.
2016-12-22 14:27
#182
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Palestine ndr[o] 
haha whooooo could've thought? hmmmmm be always skeptical
2016-12-22 14:34
why the fuck did you sign the contracts in the first place then? XD
2016-12-22 14:57
ez money ez lyf
2016-12-22 15:09
PEA is the NA version of WESA. And WUCK FESA and PUCK FEA
2016-12-22 15:10
tldr version? someone?
2016-12-22 15:35
Players complain about over saturation, PEA wants to make an exclusive league like MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, players aren't happy and want to make more tournaments... WTF LOL
2016-12-22 15:45
different sports /=/ different tournaments
2016-12-22 16:06
It's good =)
2016-12-22 15:54
Luckily I think the demand for NA pro players compared to # of orgs is high. Take a stand.
2016-12-22 16:06
wow, PEA is such a great thing, only thinking about thier own wallets instead of the players.
2016-12-22 16:25
What is PEA? In September this year, 7 US based teams formed a group called Professional Esports Association (PEA). The teams that participated in this were: Team Solomid (TSM), Cloud9, Team Liquid, Counter Logic Gaming (CLG), Immortals, NRG eSports and compLexity Gaming. PEA decided to hold a league of their own which is supposed to span 10 weeks and with the alleged prize pool of $1 million. They even tweeted a nice picture which can be found here What was PEA supposed to do? This association promised to keep the players motives and benefits in mind and share the profit of the leagues among players and owners. In a way this was supposed to be a step forward in empowering the players and making their decisions heard. PEA was supposed to be a mediator between and along with the owners of the teams to share the rewards and strategic decision making with the players. They also promised transparency to the players and the community. What did PEA actually do? Nothing of what they actually proposed worked out in the benefits of the players. The player representation base in the decision making committe was easily out-voted. The players were forced to boycott a league (EPL) which they wanted to play, without asking them. And when clarifications were asked and attempts to negotiate this were made, they were out-voted and they were not given the entire picture, the documents that they asked for were not shared and they were slammed with the book (their contracts) when they asked what gave them the right to do so. TL;DR? So all the good things that PEA promised was not granted to anyone. The players from 5 of these 7 teams got together and chose SirScoots to represent them, as their negotiations with PEA and their owners did not go well, they did not want to keep this behind the curtains. Hence they decided to write this open letter showcasing the full picture of what was promised and what really happened. Below is the summary of the article listed in the post.
2016-12-22 17:13
So, it was association to defend players' rights, and now they just become a league? What a greedy sneaky bastards.
2016-12-22 18:09
Thanks for the summary. Pretty disgusting behavior from PEA. Seems like a bunch of greedy lawyers.
2016-12-23 11:28
#216
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Argentina MyMatkhev 
No one care about eSports, this is pure bussines. Fuck you PEA
2016-12-22 18:30
When WESA/ESL become the good guys. 2016 never fails to suprise.
2016-12-22 19:10
#221
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Denmark diOnysos 
When signing a contract with a business man who have worked on lcs and for riot, one can only assume that the players are the least cared for in that agreement. What may be an idea instead is to start their own thing like, Players Union Guild and run it like a good old fashioned Union. That said another way to go is like astralis did and make your own organisation. But GL NA hope you get off that bad contract and join the rest of the world on dust2 ;)
2016-12-22 19:55
typical NA. they were the first with exclusive league back in source. when europeans founded WESA they started a "uhh hilgers uuh esl exklusive uuhh evil" while WESA promised that there is no exclusive shit going on. muricans still mad, found their own shit org and now this ahahaha
2016-12-22 22:41
Woah.
2016-12-23 02:46
Kill me
2016-12-23 04:52
#233
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Brazil ztxizhan 
sean has been sacked, now what n0thing next?
2016-12-23 08:39
This is a huge issue.
2016-12-23 11:26
why SK dont approve this?
2016-12-23 11:40
SK isn't a member of PEA. The current teams in PEA are the 5 who signed, CompLexity and NRG.
2016-12-23 11:53
ty my friend
2016-12-23 11:56
PEA is just a tool to control the American CS scene. Big orgs want to maifest their "incest" smaller orgs have no chance to compete. This is worrying to me, because new talent has to go through large orgs to be able to be recognised. If PEA is put through, this will be the nail in coffin for NA CS
2016-12-23 11:50
any brazilian can explain to me?
2016-12-23 13:59
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