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TSM drop sg@res after PEA letter***

23/12/2016 - 03:45

The recently signed player Sean "seang@res" Gares and his current team, TSM, are to part ways after the player and TSM's owner Andy "Reginald" Dinh had a disagreement over the handling of the recently released letter from 25 North American players to PEA team owners.

Sean "⁠seang@res⁠" Gares, who had been announced officially as a TSM player barely a week ago is to be released due to the fallout from the players' rights movement which started with a message signed by 25 North American players, including the ones in TSM, released by Scott "SirScoots" Smith—acting as their representative—regarding the PEA's attempt to stop players from its teams competing in ESL's upcoming Pro League season.

.@TSMReginald has told me that TSM is going to replace me due to my connection to the #playersrights letter.https://t.co/Lee3QzDos7
— Sean Gares (@seangares) December 23, 201

.@TSMReginald has told me that TSM is going to replace me due to my connection to the #playersrights letter.https://t.co/Lee3QzDos7
— Sean Gares (@seangares) December 23, 2016

After seang@res leaked the conversation logs with Reginald, TSM's owner released a twitlonger of his own accusing the aforementioned player of manipulating the rest of the team into signing something they hadn't read or agreed to. SirScoots, however, clarified that players had approved of the letter, in this tweet, and that none have asked to have their endorsements removed since.

seang@res will be back on the free agent market

The remaining players in the team then released a statement of their own in which they assure all of them understood what they were doing in signing the letter and that they were in no way manipulated by seang@res.

To address some of the statements made in Andy's post, in no way were we manipulated by Sean. Some of us may have had more information than others or been more involved in this endeavor, but we all understood what we were doing when we gave the okay to put our names on the letter. Also, the conversation logs with ShahZaM were before Sean was 'released'. We just want to make it clear that we weren't throwing him under the bus.

How Andy felt blindsided by the letter once it was published on Reddit, we felt the same way upon learning of the PEA's plans. We felt pressured to take action and make a response, which we did in uniting in the player letter. We just wanted to write this to clarify any misconceptions and bring everything into the light. There are two sides to every story, and we just wanted to make sure our narrative wasn't skewed and was clear.

To read the full statement, go here.

The drama continues with seang@res responding to Reginald's twitlonger with his own.

It seems like some people who have followed the situation think that I didn't speak with Andy at all during this process, or that I unfairly cut off contact with him. He basically implies it in his text to me and his community response, but this is just not the case.

On December 9th, Andy and I went to lunch together and talked about our new team and different esports industry issues. He asked me questions about different kinds of league structures in esports and traditional sports, and I gave him my opinions. This lunch, which came two days after Scott sent our first letter to the PEA, was very friendly. We specifically discussed how the players had selected Scott to represent us, and Andy said he was well aware of it. He even made a joke about how angry Jack (Cloud9's owner) was that the players had picked Scott.

You can find the rest of seang@res' clarification here.

TSM's current lineup:

Skyler "⁠Relyks⁠" Weaver
Hunter "⁠SicK⁠" Mims
Russel "⁠Twistzz⁠" Van Dulken
Shahzeb "⁠ShahZaM⁠" Khan

screw tsm wtf

2016-12-23 03:46

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2016-12-23 03:46

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sg@ares

2016-12-23 03:49

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TSM just managed to establish a REALLY REALLY bad reputation among pro players. Good luck acquiring and retaining good talent players in the foreseeable future. You will need it.

2016-12-23 05:51

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gyazo.com/83e7ed7aeca68de479e651e606e01d..

2016-12-23 07:19

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sga is still a member of the team until he gets official fired shaz already said he won't play w/o sean the rest will probably follow

2016-12-23 12:08

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lolwut...no. The other TSM guys are young and want money, they ain't gonna follow them

2016-12-23 20:48

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guess they won't follow? lul

2016-12-24 19:10

are u specil? twitz say he gon foolow sean and team will too

2016-12-27 09:05

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Oh, you don't know how to read timestamps?

2017-01-03 21:13

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b8ed noop

2017-01-03 21:34

Well, you have to read what Sean and Andy discussed to understand that Andy played it well, i mean, it was Sean that started everything without telling a word to Andy, he decided to do all this for "Player rights" but for teams like C9 and Liquid or Immortals that are going to EPL and making tournaments, TSM was actually favored with this PEA. But ofc, Andy told him to fix the problem with their reputation and Sean never answered about that. Imo, Sean was a dickhead, he should've talked with Andy, as C9 players should talk with Jack, both are respectable owners and want the best for their players and ofc TSM/C9's wallets. It was Andy telling him that he dropped the PEA as soon as they told him, and there's no moment of Sean saying "We told him 1 week ago and he didn't answer" or anything like that. So yeah, Sean is a dick.

2016-12-23 16:27

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past incidents with reginald such as firing the manager of the 2015 danish team without the players permission, or the shady things he does in league of legends make you think that telling regi about the move was not a good idea,

2016-12-23 16:52

+4 Imagine if an employee writes a letter to the media protesting the position and actions of their employer. Meanwhile the owner, manager, supervisor are left asking, "woah wait a minute, why didn't you bring this up to us before opening a public forum? You are supposed to be a reflection of our brand and we were unaware of how you felt. We no longer wish to employ you do to your failure to communicate serious problems with the appropriate parties."

2016-12-23 17:23

In a new sean's post, he says he was on lunch with Andy and discussed everything for 2 hours, 2 days after they sent the letter..

2016-12-23 17:35

Did you read Sean's reply? He literally said they went out to dinner and talked about it.

2016-12-23 22:09

any team that doesnt support players rights simply isnt worth playing for. sean could do no wrong here.

2016-12-23 23:39

Before you judge the org too much try and understand both perspectives. Andy statement here twitlonger.com/show/n_1spfdes is his perspective. Which I can completely understand. I do not know what actually happened (Did Sean Gares manipulate the other players? Etc.), but I will say this. If he did not take the time to work things out with the owner of the Org he is working for, I would feel blindsided too. Sean is saying they had a lunch and talked about it then, but there is no evidence of that so its just hearsay. Sean and each of the players should have spoken to their organization about what they wanted to see happen. Not completely go around Andy and hit up sir scoots (Nothing to do with their org), before speaking with TSM. I would be pissed off too. You dont like PEA? Ok, talk to your org, see what they are willing to do for you, which, it looks like Andy was willing to leave PEA. If your org is not willing to do what you wan to do, then take actions from there. Sean did not handle this the right way. Period.

2016-12-23 18:45

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nt andy

2016-12-23 23:39

there is also no evidence that they didn't talk at dinner. so it's statement vs. statement. and with the mentioned moves TSM was making (firing the manager w/o talking in to the team,...) i tend to believe that there are serious communication issues both ways. the decision making on tsm's side, however, was more than questionable in the past. why did they chose scott when he's not involved in any of the orgs? the question answers itself. because he's NOT INVOLVED. PEA can suck dick. just like CGS did. i've been playing cs (with breaks) for over 15 years now and i've always followed the evolution of the scene ever since with great interest, from CPL, to EPS and so on. but a new league just poppin out, having not hosted a SINGLE event, trying to bully out the longest running league im the biz is just big headed. without ESL the whole esports thing wouldn't be the same as it is today. you can't deny that.

2016-12-26 13:47

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Definitely cant deny that they did try to bully a long standing league out, which was dumb. The payout offered to NA teams IS much greater with the PEA structure, by alot. I am not defending the PEA's way of doing things (They even admitted making mistakes along the way). What I am saying is that if Sean did not talk to the owner of his team (who was willing to drop PEA if they wanted), and went around him, he did not act the way a professional would. Had he come to Andy/His Org and they were still saying sorry but you dont have a voice. Fine, then go to an outside source. These guys went around the people paying their salaries right away instead of trying to find equal footing together. From a business perspective that is not acceptable. I have also been playing CS since the ol CAL days and have followed the scene on and off for years. Again, I am not saying that the PEA acted correctly, I am saying that the players who went around their organizations instead of trying to work things out internally only made it harder to come to agreements. What if all of these players went to their orgs and through them, structured agreements they could all say yes to? If they went to them and the orgs say no? Then pen the shit out of that letter. Hand it to Scoots and see what happens. Did you see the payout difference from the PEA to ESL? ESL has done alot for the community, I absolutely agree with that. But the money NA teams were being offered is much greater with PEA. You cant deny that. WESA/ESL tend to pay Euro teams a much higher portion than NA Teams. I think that PEA recognized that and tried (In a manipulative way), to get NA teams to switch to their new league. Again, not defending PEA, I am defending the owners of org's being pissed off. From a business perspective I do not think the players handled this well. PEA also didnt handle it well. ESL rightly said f#$% you we have been here for forever. Personally I think that they (ESL/WESA) should have counter offered NA Teams a larger payout and shut out PEA completely.

2016-12-26 18:32

I would also like to add, that each of the players handled this poorly. What PEA is trying to do is offer more money to NA teams. medium.com/@nwhinston/an-open-letter-to-sirscoots-the-counter-strike-players-contracted-to-pea-organizations-and-the-5e80446b61c4#.k53li8yb0 It is almost like they are working Against their own interests. How absolutely stupid are these guys?

2016-12-23 18:57

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oh yeah because every sport is sooooo much better when players have to spend their time thinking about business politics isntead of playing their best

2016-12-23 23:41

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You didn't read anything did you? Thats ok, one day you will grow older and realize that you need to research then react.

2016-12-24 20:22

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you sound like you have a stick up your ass lol

2016-12-25 04:19

"What PEA is trying to do is offer more money to NA teams." - and their own pocket by eliminating the biggest competitor for viewers in NA... btw NT Andy... /edit: before you try to picture me as a non-informed dipshit, i've gone trough EVERY statement made officially by players and leagues. there's no such thing as tl;dr for me mate

2016-12-26 13:51

The worst org for CS players

2016-12-23 11:00

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agreed

2016-12-23 23:35

2016-12-23 11:19

Usually he just gets dropped because he sucks. This is a first.

2016-12-27 04:28

this is ridiculous

2016-12-23 03:47

Expected from monkey Reginald

2016-12-23 03:49

2 replies

this guy just keeps fucking up with professional players

2016-12-23 04:10

reginald is the problem

2016-12-23 04:32

They just tarnished their own brand. This is why Astralis left TSM in the first place. Sean is a leader and doesn't need to be told what to do. Sir Scoots should never have been questioned for being paid. PEA seems like some political BS when all we want is to see the best teams play CS as often as we can.

2016-12-23 03:53

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+1 Good point

2016-12-23 04:08

Well said my friend. +1

2016-12-23 04:10

2016-12-23 04:30

Yea fuck TSM, when they fucked with Astralis I disliked them, ok now new roster trying to rebuild, then now do this shit? rofl

2016-12-23 04:32

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Please tell me how TSM fucked over Astralis

2016-12-23 06:05

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No publication by their team for a start

2016-12-23 06:44

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You mean TSM not taking advantage of the players status? Give me a source that states that the players left because they got screwed by TSM. They made Astralis for completely different reasons

2016-12-23 06:53

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He didn't say that the players left because they got screwed by TSM, and Astralis was formed several weeks after the players left after denying several other offers, so they didn't leave just to form Astralis.

2016-12-23 09:21

Gimme reasons why players will leave orgs ? They made Astralis so they had ownership in own hands so plz dude get lost plz you know jack shit .

2016-12-23 12:05

They terminated the contract earlier than it should be. They didn't provide much media exposure. Didn't pay for their manager made them made him by themselves.

2016-12-27 18:06

i don't exactly remember but I think TSM fired Byskov(manager) or something like that, but they wanted him

2016-12-23 06:58

by basically firing their manager and forcing them to pay him outta pocket if they wanted to keep him and the lack of comms with the players from what i remember them saying when they left prretty sure there was more to it but these were 2 key facts i remember from last year

2016-12-23 07:12

+100000000000000000

2016-12-23 04:55

+1 Americans are so smart

2016-12-23 05:14

PEA the CS government political BS scheme FTL

2016-12-23 05:20

I hope the other players also follow sean and leave behind him, join dignitas maybe.

2016-12-23 06:02

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now thats something i would love to see but regi being such a douche would honestly make a buyout impossible (talking about the amount of the buyout) i just think hes the type imo that would try to handcuff the players into staying with TSM and i love how sick can just come out probably after learning about sean and say oh i didn't know when the first rule in signing anything is to read what youre signing but tbh i dont see how sean signing this is hurting their "brand" its not a beef with just TSM it has to do with all the teams in PEA so regi making it all about him/TSM is unfair to put it on sean like that i dont see n0thing getting cut from C9 or felps from immortals after signing it just a bunch of bs imo

2016-12-23 07:17

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Seems like the differed in their opinions and things simply escalated. Quite unfortunate. With sean, they seemed like a decent package of players.

2016-12-23 08:01

Regi said that sean will be released without a buyout. I wouldn't be surprised if TSM allows other players to leave without penalty.

2016-12-23 17:26

But the players don't want to play so much. And they want to choose which tourneys to play in. So they just want rights, but not duty.

2016-12-23 12:27

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Players want liberty, freedom.

2016-12-23 15:50

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But the orgs are not paying them to be free, they are paying them to play. IMO the best solution would be that the organisers release the schedule in the beginning of the year (which cant be changed later) and the orgs and the players together decide which tourneys to play (each party caves in a little).

2016-12-23 23:48

If they want freedom, they shouldn't sign with an organization

2016-12-24 08:02

2016-12-23 12:37

+1 true dat

2016-12-23 13:06

+1 This is soooooo to the point. Hope TSM-owner/management really gets what it deserves for mistreating its players.

2016-12-23 14:32

I have always hated Reginald

2016-12-23 15:20

Honestly this is fucking dumb for TSM; they caused so much Drama over this scandal. I think honestly Sean is gonna get in to a good team where he can say hes opinon. TSM is a probs not gonna be a Team any longer cause Shaz and Twist is both gonna leave now. So goodbye TSM :/

2016-12-28 18:00

RIP TSM

2016-12-23 03:46

expected

2016-12-23 03:46

1 reply

u tried

2016-12-25 06:20

LUL

2016-12-23 03:46

NA being NA XD

2016-12-23 03:46

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haHAA

2016-12-23 05:30

NA drama foreva

2016-12-23 08:31

2016-12-23 03:46

deserved

2016-12-23 03:46

rip

2016-12-23 03:46

lul

2016-12-23 03:46

rip

2016-12-23 03:46

nivce

2016-12-23 03:46

lil

2016-12-23 03:46

LUL

2016-12-23 03:46

RiP TSM :( Possibly C9 coach?

2016-12-23 03:46

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maybe -shroud +sean?

2016-12-23 04:27

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mmm, he would be a great igl. but his fragging has gotten a bit weak recently, and C9 really need a coach if they want to do well, so i reckon coach would be better way to go for c9

2016-12-23 06:25

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ya ur probably right

2016-12-23 06:26

Yeah. Sean as C9 coach would be great for the team.

2016-12-23 07:29

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They alrdy have dazed as a coach

2016-12-23 07:45

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+1 tru

2016-12-23 13:14

source?? wtf i didn't knew that. Is he behind them on the games?

2016-12-23 16:47

I don think think Sean wants to coach though, I'm pretty sure c9 offered him straight after he said he wasn't playing for them anymore and he turned it down because he wanted to play. And maybe also he didn't want to coach that group of players.

2016-12-23 13:15

and why on earth would he want to be a coach when he said he wants to be back PLAYING ??? Sean is maybe the best NA igl, why would he be used as a coach when a coach can only speak during TIME OUTS ???? damn think a bit pls

2016-12-23 15:19

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Coaches don't only speak during and inbetween mathces, they help the team with strats, help them focus on individual performance, teach them what to do under certain circumstances, etc. List could go on. "damn think a bit pls"

2016-12-24 01:02

Hes probably gonna be in the new Dig lineup

2016-12-23 04:40

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yea jasonr just9n davey sean desi maybe imo the best na free agents rn would be sick to see them play under the dig banner

2016-12-23 05:51

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Idk about desi and davey but Just9n is sick so it would be a t2-t3 MA team

2016-12-23 08:38

DAVEY is a sick player, idk why he got cut from Splyce

2016-12-23 08:56

DAVEY seangares Wardell + 2 EU players

2016-12-23 14:14

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Davey sgares jasonr jkaem draken

2016-12-23 17:51

tards

2016-12-23 03:46

#FuckTSM

2016-12-23 03:46

1 reply

CLG spotted

2016-12-23 14:58

wow savage

2016-12-23 03:46

lol

2016-12-23 03:46

Idiotd

2016-12-23 03:46

tsm idiots

2016-12-23 03:46

bad org.

2016-12-23 03:46

And so begins a great shitstorm.

2016-12-23 03:46

Fuck TSM

2016-12-23 03:46

LUL

2016-12-23 03:46

lol

2016-12-23 03:46

wtf

2016-12-23 03:46

Still can't believe this happened #FuckTSM

2016-12-23 03:46

This is bs

2016-12-23 03:46

Wat

2016-12-23 03:46

THE WAR IS ON, LET THE NUKES FLY CAUSE NA IS IMPLODING

2016-12-23 03:46

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Imploding with more $$$ Also, 1777

2016-12-23 03:53

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This simple action is going to cause a maaaasive backlash, not just from fans but i can see players pressuring their orgs (na specifically) also dig might just have their first player ready to sign with this going on, and i can see shazam following suit

2016-12-23 03:56

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then how is NA imploding... ps. 1777

2016-12-23 03:59

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Ahaha dont really care bout 1777 :)

2016-12-23 04:02

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You shouldn't because the war started in 1775 anyway

2016-12-23 04:14

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nice montessori education the british surrendered in 1777, that's what it matters

2016-12-23 06:02

10 replies

They surrendered in 1783 but nice try

2016-12-23 06:24

9 replies

Saratoga. Also, go back to Britain

2016-12-23 07:09

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If you try to bait , come with straight facts you fucking downie . Its not for shit you have trump as president . Uber downie tells the lower class downies what to do :). It made my evening to see those mental disabled people cheer or cry their ass of , do you know why ? Cause you are doomed :D and thats so satisfying .

2016-12-23 12:15

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Dude, this isn't a cringethread.

2016-12-23 12:48

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His attempt to bait is even worse . So fuck you .

2016-12-23 16:12

Calm down Anne Frank I clearly have Internet and a gaming PC which means I'm not in the poorest 40%. Just by not paying for poor people health next year I save $120 per month. Sure sounds like doom

2016-12-23 16:05

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Dude the country you life in is 1 fucking shit hole so i dont really care. And living @ your parents doesnt count , thats how all you fat fucks get your stuff .

2016-12-23 16:15

1777 ? Ok en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_du_Motier,.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-American_al.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-Ren%C3%A9_Le.. 1777 = When french came help u. Thanks to us.

2016-12-23 15:02

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1944

2016-12-23 16:07

1 reply

1944 ? Ya, thanks to russian, not to you.

2016-12-26 19:01

what does that have to do with NA CS?

2016-12-23 16:04

sg@ares

2016-12-23 03:47

sg@ares

2016-12-23 03:47

worst move 2016

2016-12-23 03:47

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NA move

2016-12-23 03:51

THIS FUCKING ORGANIZATIONS IS A SHIT, A SHIT. FUCK PEA, FUCK ALL THAT SHIT. sori i was mad

2016-12-23 03:48

LOL WAT

2016-12-23 03:49

lmaoo

2016-12-23 03:49

haha get rekt

2016-12-23 03:49

rip TSM

2016-12-23 03:49

oh god, just when NA scene started to look stronger

2016-12-23 03:50

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Lul

2016-12-23 07:13

na scene at its finest

2016-12-23 03:50

SEAN GARES WAS THE OBLY REAON ANYONE GAVE A SHIT ABOUT TSM ROSTER AGAIN LMAO

2016-12-23 03:51

TSM is getting more hate by dropping sg@res than by signing the player rights letter xdddd is Reginald dumb or what

2016-12-23 03:51

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he clearly is lol

2016-12-23 04:00

We're talking about the same guy that dropped a Danish super team for a tier 4 NA team

2016-12-23 04:03

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Wouldn't say dropped is the right word. The astralis players realized he was a cunt, got up and fucked off lmao

2016-12-23 04:23

Yea, no one really hates them on signing the letter lol

2016-12-23 04:40

yes he is, he did even more shit in League of Legends

2016-12-23 10:32

reginald get aids

2016-12-23 03:53

Inb4 other 4 leave the org aswell

2016-12-23 03:54

tsm trash

2016-12-23 03:54

TSM's owner hurting is own brand is hilarious

2016-12-23 03:54

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funny how he wanted to maintain the brand image, yet this decision just rekt it off the face of the earth lol

2016-12-23 03:58

so fucking stupid

2016-12-23 03:54

Reginald is actually retarded. Hes actually worse for the org than sean was. Great job, couldve been a good team.

2016-12-23 03:55

Seans fault. Any time you are going to do something like this you bring everything up with your team owner first.

2016-12-23 03:56

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makes sense but how was TSM's brand affected by this? No one thought about teams' representation in public when people read this letter. I think the manager or whoever he is, was pissed because of the reason you said. I think of this move as degrading the organization's name actually. The boss could have been supporting his players instead of kicking.

2016-12-23 04:14

yeah i don't get peoples reactions here. I mean c'mon sean is 25+ right? He should know better.

2016-12-23 04:25

You are seriously suggesting that Sean should have had trust in his organization instead of acting quick and effectively? After basically getting boned by an org that TSM is a part of, and team owners most likely knew from the start what wws going to happen? Yeah, no. I totally get Sean.

2016-12-23 08:53

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+1 @

2016-12-23 09:00

2016-12-23 10:05

+1 I totally agree. If Sean would have waited after everything would have gone through with PEA exclusivity in NA etc. etc. it would already be late. Sean (and perhaps the rest of the players) would then be blamed for not acting in time. So yeah, Sean's actions (notwithstanding the grace with which he has conducted them) are absolutely understandable.

2016-12-23 14:35

He doesn't have to trust Regi or TSM but he should always consult with them before making a move with the name of the brand on the line. Whether sean likes it or not, Regi is his boss and you are never on equal footing with your boss. Your boss runs the shit, not you. Sean had to consult with Regi. Regi didn't have to consult with Sean.

2016-12-23 16:07

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They fucked sean and the rest of the squad when they let things go this far in the first place. I would do the same.

2016-12-23 16:20

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You would make a move with other employees against your employer? Some weeks after just getting employed? I hope you are also prepared to get fired.

2016-12-23 16:25

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I hope you understand you cant really compare CS players to employees in some corporation. Thats just silly.

2016-12-23 19:14

the entire reason why this is happening is because the org owners in PEA are restricting them from EPL.

2016-12-23 12:02

+1 After reading the chat logs it seems like the players did minimal to communicate up the chain of command before releasing a public statement. Pretty sure a different picture would had been painted if the letter was sent to the appropriate parties first.

2016-12-23 17:31

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yes, they would have been made to shut the fuck up about it for a little extra $$$, that the LoL lineup brought in.

2016-12-24 14:22

Rest in piece TSM

2016-12-23 03:57

sean gares acting like a fucking idiot lol

2016-12-23 03:58

Regi is one dumb mother fucker lol

2016-12-23 04:00

Fucking Regi

2016-12-23 03:58

uhh, reginald you just tarnished the brand anymore than sgares ever could have. And learn the difference between your and you're ffs

2016-12-23 03:58

haha good job by sean gares fuck the system

2016-12-23 03:58

TSM should disband as an org. Always been a fucking disgrace towards the players. This should not be tolerable

2016-12-23 04:00

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2016-12-23 04:01

Smart for TSM to drop him tbh, hes a liability to the brand.

2016-12-23 04:01

both TSM and seangares are idiots just laugh at this and move on

2016-12-23 04:01

y tho

2016-12-23 04:01

his brand was better before this pics. lol ez 4 sean

2016-12-23 04:01

welp, thats what u get TSM. Sean did what he thought was the best option, if he talked to the org first they would try to blanket the problem anyway. At least it is exposed for what it is. Sean to Liquid needs to happen anyway.

2016-12-23 04:01

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As much as I would love him in Liquid, I just don't see him and hiko working together.

2016-12-23 11:13

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in that case -Hiko? lol i mean literally he hasn't been THAT good, also sean could maybe unlock the potential in Elige and Nitro again. Those two need an igl, look what Adren was able to get out of them.

2016-12-23 11:16

sgares and Hiko never had any issues in C9 apart from the choice on whether or not to cut n0thing. Which was only won over by the fact that semphis also wanted to keep him. Which lead to Hiko leaving C9 because his team was unwilling to do roster changes.

2016-12-23 16:58

Can someone explain me why? I don't really wanna read all the messages

2016-12-23 04:02

I barely paid attention to the PEA stuff, but TSM has made sure that I look into it now. Sean should have 100% talked to his owner first, but it's not a reason to let him go, especially if the fear was that the letter was "hurting the brand." GG all around. I forgot how hilariously incompetent esports is as a whole.

2016-12-23 04:02

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i guess he wanted some coverup on social media stating that the org stands with players and shit, which sean failed to do or didn't want to do, hence the drama

2016-12-23 04:04

I think its a good reason. If you work for a brand, say they treat you like shit without attempting to communicate almost every business would instantly can your ass...source: i worked for falken tire. An employees car was featured in toyo's booth with toyo tires. Employee got fired lol.

2016-12-23 04:18

3 replies

Work at discount tire, while I understand why that happened, toyo>Falken. R888 are rowdy. :D

2016-12-23 11:43

1 reply

I agree. We couldn't compete with those TOYO MT tires lol. Every driving test (trophy truck) we did with them the driver said the TOYOs felt like they were made of glue!

2016-12-23 17:42

Yah, if you're some anonymous employee you'll lose you're job pretty quickly pulling stunts like these. The difference is that TSM's players are the face of the brand - losing them is pretty significant. If a NFL player wears Adidas when they were supposed to wear Nike, they'll get a fine, not jettisoned immediately. In situation like these, the common move is suspend pay for month or something, or give a fine.

2016-12-23 13:56

I'm surprised that people are calling Reginald dumb for doing this. Did you guys even read the chats? He's right. You need to talk to the org before going ahead with such public letters speaking against the org's decision.

2016-12-23 04:03

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lets say if sean going to inform regi at the first place, surely he will be threated to leave the roster. Maybe that's why sean didn't let him know.

2016-12-23 08:34

Had he gone to Regi first, his exit from the roster would've been faster. TSM is a business, and businessmen protect their business. Sean knew what was coming.

2016-12-23 11:16

1 reply

Exactly, TSM is a business and sean was an employee. If he was unhappy about any agreement that TSM had entered into, which involves his interests, he should obviously talk to the management first and if things don't turn out well there, then moving out of the org is the only option. Their protest is actually against the Org and not PEA. And he isn't in the roster even now, so doesn't make any sense as the public letter won't help in anycase. It would ultimately depend on the org, they'd do what they think is right for their business. This is how real world works. If hes thinking that he can do anything under "player's rights" tag, then its only a misconception.

2016-12-23 12:37

So much hate thrown at the team owners that have helped eSports grow. I would be mad AF too. Sean is TSM's employee and they have every right to cut him for the crap him and others pulled. Imagine you just joined a new company because you have been out of work for a while because you are bad at your job (playing cs) and before you have even done anything, you start telling your bosses what they need to do for you. You would be fired immediately. At least Reginald was willing to work with Sean but the idiot never even went and talked to him. You teenagers are immature idiots with no careers have no idea how the real world works at all. I am siding with Reginald on this one regardless of how stupid his history is.

2016-12-23 04:05

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2016-12-23 04:06

comment matches flair

2016-12-23 04:09

+1. prepare to get flamed by all the armchair activists.

2016-12-23 04:18

Agree with you in almost all situations, but see #142 - Sean is his own brand himself within esports, and thus this will cause TSM even more problems than had they just let it slide. Your analogy works with regular people in regular jobs - non-entertainment, outside of the public eye. Sean is currently a shitty CSGO player as you said, but his popularity is still there, and that's all that matters in the entertainment industry, not actual competence in whatever you're doing.

2016-12-23 04:38

1 reply

This is the reason why dignitas could afford to drop the team and bring on an NA Team. They have a brand. They only have to show up now and publicity would be good.

2016-12-23 06:13

lol

2016-12-23 04:04

both are retarded

2016-12-23 04:07

1 reply

^this

2016-12-23 05:34

The behind the scenes of CSGO as an E-Sports is just gross. Let's not forget when ECS ignored Immortals (Tempo Storm at the time) because someone didn't liked their CEO. Also when Eleague kicked EX-LG and EX-SK for pressure from other NA teams.

2016-12-23 04:09

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And what was Sean supposed to do? "Sorry guys, i'm not signing the letter, TSM is going to work it out for us. I wish you good luck on trying to solve this issue on your own, cheers." Doesn't sound right, it's a player's matter and they should stand united on the issue.

2016-12-23 04:20

2 replies

He should hsve spoken with his boss first.

2016-12-23 11:02

1 reply

Not really. The letter is a Player's matter, signed by the players as individuals, not as a team. His "boss" and every other team manager are the ones who should have explained to the players what their intention with PEA was. (...) This was contrary to what we had been told back in September and October, and it was at this point that we realized we needed help.

2016-12-23 18:23

wow man, you are comparing apples and oranges.

2016-12-23 04:29

2 replies

Excuse me but i'll have to disagree with you. Am i comparing apples with oranges? How come? Managers interfering in the scene on the interest of their own teams and personal disagreements.

2016-12-23 04:38

1 reply

I am talking about ECS Immortals thing.

2016-12-23 04:39

ex-LG wasnt kicked for EL getting pressured by na orgs. EL made their decision before the na orgs signed that petition.

2016-12-23 09:12

Eleague dq'd LG because it was written in their rule book. The pressure from other NA teams happened after they had planned to dq LG.

2016-12-23 17:45

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reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/4r.. Colzera just said on a interview yesterday for a brazilian gaming portal that it was very upsetting because Eleague said that "it was ok" and later they still got kicked from the tournament. I can link the interview but it's in portuguese.

2016-12-23 18:00

thank you hltv for coverage!!

2016-12-23 04:09

tsm 2 smart 4head

2016-12-23 04:11

LUL

2016-12-23 04:12

wow

2016-12-23 04:12

IM CALLING IT NOW ALL TSM PLAYERS WILL RIOT LEAVE THE ORG DIGNITAS PICK THEM UP IM CALLING IT NOW ALL TSM PLAYERS WILL RIOT LEAVE THE ORG DIGNITAS PICK THEM UP

2016-12-23 04:13

2 replies

Good bet

2016-12-23 04:15

! ALL TSM PLAYERS WILL RIOT

2016-12-23 14:08

I love the ex-tsm/astralis players' tweets xDDD

2016-12-23 04:14

1 reply

device: "oh. okay"

2016-12-23 16:16

Reginald is right,sg@res cant do this kind of things without talking with the team OWNER or whatever who is in charge.Players want to be treated like PROFESSIONALS but instead they look so amateurs when it comes to contrats and the basic of team management. Fallen did something similar with Luminosity,this is next level bullshit.

2016-12-23 04:22

2 replies

Imo some players should be sued once in a while :). Make them know this is a legit business.

2016-12-23 04:33

1 reply

I agree, how Sean can release images of a private conversation without consequences I got know..

2016-12-23 11:07

Important to note that SEAN said he wanted to leave, it was not initiated by Reginald

2016-12-23 04:22

2 replies

Dude are you for real? He said he wanted to leave after he had no other choice but to make it mutual or officially get kicked

2016-12-23 04:23

i.imgur.com/of8tLfP.png <<< this was said BEFORE sean stated he wanted to leave. read before u comment u buffoon

2016-12-23 04:27

Hang on a minute, why is sean gares getting cut when all the other players also signed the agreement? Even if sean encouraged them to sign, there's no way he could've actively forced them to do so. Also none of the remaining 4 went to Reginald either. Extremely bad move by tsm imo, this isn't going to go down well with the community, nor most likely the rest of the tsm squad

2016-12-23 04:25

2 replies

Apperently he told the other players on the team to sign the letter... As far as I know, they have an option to decline to sign, doubt that he ever forced them.

2016-12-23 06:11

1 reply

Tbh the players themselves lack professionalism and yet set expectations from orgs. They didn't even know what they're signing up for and then play victims that they were fired for standing up for their rights (through public letter and not internally).

2016-12-23 12:46

teraLUL

2016-12-23 04:26

hope tsm leave csgo scene!

2016-12-23 04:27

This is mind boggling. Not to mention, he just screwed TSM's image even more HIMSELF (if any significant damage was done in the first place).

2016-12-23 04:28

Retaliating against employees for union organizing activity is a big no no

2016-12-23 04:28

2 replies

this is true

2016-12-23 06:18

Huge hit tbh.

2016-12-23 07:23

tsm cs:go l0l

2016-12-23 04:28

And he thinks this move won't affect TSMs reputation? wtf... his balls muste be in a chokehold.

2016-12-23 04:31

LMAO Reginald what kick your igl because he doesn't want to work with a shady business

2016-12-23 04:36

Welp ul.

2016-12-23 04:38

Also reginal quote "Your playing the victim" Key word "Your"

2016-12-23 04:39

TL;DR Someone please explain short...

2016-12-23 04:41

3 replies

seangares signed an open letter to PEA, which the TSM owner reginald is apart of, expresses his issue with player rights. Regi didnt like that he didnt come to him first and sean said he went to someone who he can trust(SirScoots) to deliver the letter

2016-12-23 04:58

it is time you should learn how to read m8

2016-12-23 11:34

But regi thought that he would only do good, by letting the PEA players play in a non-exclusive PEA league with a bigger price pool and profit interests for the players. And because of the players opinions (because of image reasons imo) regi cut ties with the PEA. Then regi pulled the victim card on sean for not publically saying: "TSM is cool, they left the PEA because of what players want" and sean got kicked. In the end, sean should have contacted regi before the publification and regi should have talked with the players about what the PEA does. BUT regi is the bigger retard for also kicking sean and obviously abusing his position of power

2016-12-24 14:34

if i was in TSM, I would leave that org. teams should stick together. knowing sean he probably has put effort into helping tsm

2016-12-23 04:42

Nothing could hurt TSM's brand more than Reginald himself.

2016-12-23 04:50

Wow Reginald looks like a typical asian but with down syndrome look at his instagram pic LUL

2016-12-23 04:58

JEWS LUL

2016-12-23 04:58

Want to be treated like a sports professional, then fucking act like a sports professional. Dont agree he should have been cut but not surprised. If I was to jump into social media and directly or in directly say something about my employer then I should expect to cop the consequences.

2016-12-23 05:04

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Except eSports isn't fully professional, hence why the players made a public letter to boycott PEA to have public support. Most people support this action. Regi now has a bigger mess since he just kicked a player for standing up for his right to choose where to play. TSM only looks worse and if you think about it, if Regi only wanted good press then he wouldn't be mad at this he should have jumped on this opportunity and said I stand with the players and made his org look better by supporting the players. Regi is just a fucking moron and can't do PR correctly...

2016-12-23 06:03

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and at this rate, its not going to be professional. Regi could have handled it better but everyone is acting shocked that he was dropped/removed/fired for this whens its perfectly understandable in any other work place. This is the reasons why 99% of workplace contracts now include line items that refer to social media. My work for example reminds users every year about speaking to media and expressing views on social media. Those who have chosen to ignore this warning have been let go.

2016-12-23 06:29

4 replies

+1 agreed

2016-12-23 07:42

Both parties at fault here. But Regi did not to push Sean out over this. The team will have less success because of Regis retardation and Sean's too

2016-12-23 08:00

2 replies

Agreed, both parties are at fault but unfortunately from a legal perspective, Regi appears to be within his rights. Someone on reddit mentioned something about California law and unfair dismissal when an employee chooses to align with a union but not sure how that one will play out or if it will at all.

2016-12-23 09:09

1 reply

someone else mentioned that they are in fact "independent contractors" and hence not "employees" thus lack the legal protections thereof this is unverified though

2016-12-23 16:54

tsm's reputation wasn't ruined until just now. Way to go reginald

2016-12-23 05:05

this IS NOT the way to handle this. bullying players to follow along with the grand scheme. Sean was a good fit for this team and its a shame we dont get to see what comes of it.

2016-12-23 05:08

who cares tsm is a trash team that will never achieve anything

2016-12-23 05:10

wow

2016-12-23 05:14

Sean fucked up. Signed something blindly without asking the owner about his decisions.

2016-12-23 05:19

LOL pea is retarded

2016-12-23 05:19

Fuck TSM, i won't ever be supporting any new roster that they field. They think his support hurt their brand? Well they are horribly misinformed and congrats on not getting any love from the community. Trash company.

2016-12-23 05:27

LOL ridiculous

2016-12-23 05:27

what the fuck is PEA?

2016-12-23 05:31

5 replies

penis enlargement application

2016-12-23 08:51

NAs WESA

2016-12-23 09:13

3 replies

And what's WESA? I don't really follow csgo. Thanks in advance.

2016-12-23 11:55

2 replies

wesa.gg/ Cant really explain it with my own words. Their (secret) goal is to make an exclusive league (with ESL) so these teams can only play there or just for much money somewhere else. PEA is the same for NA. The players arent happy about it because they understand now that they cant play where they want.

2016-12-23 11:59

1 reply

Looks weird. An org created to protect players is trying to fuck them over. Thanks for explanation.

2016-12-23 12:01

just insane and unbelievable! Good luck seanGares! We smart, we loyal, we friendly, we are from BRAZIL! Kreygasm

2016-12-23 05:33

fucking ridiculous...

2016-12-23 05:32

sg@res with the knockout blow

2016-12-23 05:34

Well sgares fault.

2016-12-23 05:35

lol rip

2016-12-23 05:37

TSM was already a joke or when they lost their Danish roster XD

2016-12-23 05:45

typical reginald ugly retard

2016-12-23 05:46

Tfw advocating for player rights so they can play at more tournaments and make more money for you hurts the org and tarnishes the brand, but getting rid of your only really solid pick up other than SicK doesn't apparently EleGiggle. I don't actually understand why Sean never talked to Reggie about it though; Maybe I missed it.

2016-12-23 06:03

I'm leaning on the fence here. I get what Sean is trying to do, and I'm happy someone like him is standing up for the players because that's exactly what this scene needs. HOWEVER... That letter and Sean's involvement did make TSM look bad when it really didn't need to. Sean should have at the VERY least told the TSM owner his intention to AT LEAST give him some warning before he did it. At least they both agreed to go their separate ways and they're both fine.

2016-12-23 05:55

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Agree. Without reading the full leaked convo, I was pissed at TSM and immediately felt Sean was in the right. Upon closer examination it makes perfectly sound and reasoned sense that Andy was offended that a BRAND NEW EMPLOYEE didn't even engage in a conversation first without attaching his signature to a letter denouncing the very brand that he works for in the name of "players rights" All of you with kneejerk reactions feeling that Sean is the victim need to look closer as well. If you were the employer would you want your brand new hire throwing your company under the bus without even talking to you first???

2016-12-23 06:49

Well you read Sean's response and it seems that he did...

2016-12-23 13:41

Regi you have more negative press now for not being sympathetic to players rights. Grats on not thinking forward. No way you could have spun it either considering he just joined and the letter came out. I stand with the players. Fuck this greedy org.

2016-12-23 05:57

Are you serious TSM...?

2016-12-23 06:00

Jason Katz's trailing wake of esports disasters is nearing Russian containership levels. xD

2016-12-23 06:04

lol, TSM fcked themselves with this, not Sean or any of the players.

2016-12-23 06:09

I can understand the owner being pissed off if the players didn't talk to him before signing the letter, but this went way further than it needed to, and the added drama makes TSM look even worse

2016-12-23 06:09

HAHAHAHA. SOO Expected from NA orgs. EVERYTHING that has NA in it = SHADY + GREED. Just look how fast he changes his "face/personality" toward Sean.

2016-12-23 06:16

sean is not a good player so it won't matter for team during play but the brand TSM will carry this mark. Just NACS things

2016-12-23 06:17

didnt even know they signed him, he's trash now & its fucking tsm who gives a shit about a tier 4 na team lmfa0

2016-12-23 06:23

That's bs I can't believe this just happened. Kicking one of the most experienced players in the NA CS scene for standing for his and other player's rights? This will definitely ruin TSM's reputation.

2016-12-23 06:27

LUL TSM, THEY DON'T DESERVE SEAN

2016-12-23 06:31

na orgs smh

2016-12-23 06:31

retarded league player trying to run a org

2016-12-23 06:35

Expected from pussies like Shahzam to drop out when its get tricky. NA scene is "run" by little kids who have no idea whats going on.

2016-12-23 06:44

1 reply

it gets tricky*

2016-12-23 08:04

yes!!! not having shazam on the team is best thing possible to sean

2016-12-23 06:45

good, he's not very good anyway

2016-12-23 06:46

sean should make a new team and pick out the remaining free agents and some people from rng. sgares desi jks brehze some random awper. this line up under sgares direction could be really really good. but really c9 should cut someone and resign sgares. i would say -ska but he performed really well and under sean he can do the same and get back to his old level. n0thing will never get cut, so i gues it's just -shroud.

2016-12-23 06:53

3 replies

and that would be the new dignitas.

2016-12-23 09:22

1 reply

this confirmed?

2016-12-23 11:25

Breeze isn't a free agent though, just got picked up by nrg.

2016-12-23 11:50

TSM died after astralis left them. Sorry for sgares.

2016-12-23 06:56

I love how the owner thinks sean had somehow "tarnished" the TSM brand by standing up to what seems like a market share takeover by empty promises and lawyer BS. Gotta love CS tho, even when there´s no tournaments around you have juicy drama.

2016-12-23 07:01

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the owner thinks Sean went around him in the name of Players right when (in his opinion) the actions were misguided and baseless. He, as a brand new TSM employee, decided to sign this letter without even engaging management in a conversation first. New employee = no tenure. It's sean's own fault he got cut. Now if someone like Hiko tried this it would fare better imo.

2016-12-23 07:45

6 replies

why the fuck should he ask someone for it? He wants to play more league, more leagues -> more money for org -> more money for players. The managment is so useless that players had to do something. So first what TSM should do is kick their own manager because he didnt communicate with their players about the steps what he's gonna do to prevent colidating terms of both leagues.

2016-12-23 08:04

5 replies

why are you getting triggered? He has every right to play more leagues and shit, but he can't hold the organization hostage in order to do so. Ownership dictates the direction of the org. A Player is just an employee. What does "colidating" mean?

2016-12-23 08:29

4 replies

i mean conflicting terms. I am not triggered, i am just confused, why the NA fanbase doesnt stand behind their players, but the orgs.

2016-12-23 08:45

3 replies

So the players/ employees are always right? Talk about some bias.

2016-12-23 09:52

1 reply

expected from china

2016-12-23 12:09

I'm sure most of the fanbase does stand behind the players, but the simple issue is there is no player's union right now, so individual players lack power. If all the players stood up and said, we will quit and/or refuse to participate if you (the orgs) treat us like this, then it would demand bargaining power. Unfortunately, in NA most players seem to be self-motivated for income and would rather not jeopardize their careers and current organizational affiliations in order to form this collective bargaining unit.

2016-12-23 16:48

rip sean, gl search job in mcdonalds

2016-12-23 07:02

2 replies

So with all his experience in esports and education with a good physical appearance to boot, McDonald's is his only option left while people like dustmouret and fake Anders are making it in esports. Sounds logical. Classic Russian comment.

2016-12-23 09:13

1 reply

gym coach 0k, but if serious, every year i see sean falling down starts from complexity/c9 and now i see no options for him in good orgs so..

2016-12-23 17:10

bae didn't die 4 dis no

2016-12-23 07:36

TSM is such a dumb org

2016-12-23 07:52

Well thats the end of TSM GeT_RiGhT.

2016-12-23 08:03

tbh this Reginald guy just tarnished his brand even further. lol

2016-12-23 08:13

LUL xD

2016-12-23 08:13

The drama is getting more interesting with each update. We're gonna run out of popcorn bois!

2016-12-23 08:24

andy is such a bitch, fuck him^^

2016-12-23 08:27

Andy is so retarded

2016-12-23 08:32

TSM lol

2016-12-23 08:37

I really like what Sean did. I just hope he will be able to find a new team after all of this. But still, I believe that ESL would be happy to use Sean as a host/caster/analyst or whatever. GL

2016-12-23 08:49

3 replies

then you are totally retarded, everyone hating on regi but he is right.

2016-12-23 09:51

2 replies

regi is right? how? by one day discussing with sean about pea problems and agreeing on scoots being their representer and next day saying "why u didnt tell me about this?" does he have some memory problems or some shit?

2016-12-23 10:07

1 reply

He said it's ok about scoots being representing the union but it wasn't ok not going to speak to regi first. It's not rocket science

2016-12-23 10:51

LMAO TSM

2016-12-23 09:02

Wukong is pissed that seangares can fuck fine Asian bitches whilst his Asian ass can't even buy Asian whores

2016-12-23 09:08

Go to hell TSM or Totally Stupid Manager

2016-12-23 09:28

yes

2016-12-23 09:38

Stupid Reginald, one of the worst League of Legend NA player, and a fucking scumbag manager

2016-12-23 09:53

What the fuck is this :D In my books the other players indeed did throw sean under the bus. BEFORE sean was released everyone was like "nah I dont even know much what it's about but I signed it because sean did blabla" Then they afterwards say they actually were perfectly aware of what they're signing? Is there something I dont understand because this what I described is exactly throwing someone under the bus.

2016-12-23 09:55

1 reply

it's damage control by the PEA trash. They said players didn't know what they signed and now TSM players came out and said they knew exactly what they signed. PEA bullshitting to try and save some face; obviously didn't work for them

2016-12-23 12:14

My boi seang@res. Btw the whole team could have quited together to join another organisation like echo fox

2016-12-23 09:58

leave CSGO and never come back @TSM

2016-12-23 09:59

NA CS

2016-12-23 10:05

I really want to see sean go to an EU team like mouz

2016-12-23 10:07

2 replies

tbh -denis +sgares could be a great move, but I don't think he wanna try his luck somewhere else

2016-12-23 10:13

+1. It would unleash niko from leading and sean is as good as denis, so its all profit. Also igl being native english speaker cant be a bad thing.

2016-12-23 13:14

hahaha welcome to cs 2017, its gonna be a complete shit show with like 3 different exclusive team locked up league. so many orgs trying to make their own exclusive leagues now to earn the big money and this will probably end up destroying cs pretty much when every big good team will be locked up in different leagues i think its time for valve to really step in and make it clear no exclusivity league should ever be allowed

2016-12-23 10:10

1 reply

+1 comon valve do something!

2016-12-23 10:19

Can u guys explain me what is this pea bullshit?

2016-12-23 10:16

bullshit

2016-12-23 10:21

wp TSM, that was the perfect move, no your team will have even less visibility :D More players should follow sgares, fuck this greedy ass mofos orgs #Pray4TheEndOfThisShitTeam

2016-12-23 10:23

Damn man this team looked so promising and i was so happy that sean is in a good team again and this happens..

2016-12-23 10:32

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2016-12-23 11:00

Tsm sign sgaers, now tsm kick sgares, nice move tsm

2016-12-23 10:33

FUCK TSM MANAGEMENT ! cunts

2016-12-23 10:34

Good move tbh

2016-12-23 10:37

I don't think TSM did anything wrong tbh. I believe if you're paying a Teams wages you really should be able to tell them which tournaments to participate in, as it's their job to represent your brand. And by the sounds of the first few messages it looks like TSM weren't even asked about ditching PEA before the PEA/rights post happened

2016-12-23 10:38

NA CS LUL

2016-12-23 10:42

NA CS 4Head

2016-12-23 10:48

shit player anyway, who cares

2016-12-23 10:50

Reg just destroy TSM . And I hope TSM will burna and crasha. I didnt care about the letter. Slut happening in sport. But this!? This is som fucked up.

2016-12-23 10:53

hooooly shit what a bunch of fucking idiots.

2016-12-23 10:54

just because of their brand name they cut sean like seriously wtf

2016-12-23 10:57

EL YOU EL TSM LUL

2016-12-23 11:01

You have all the rights in the world to sign a fucking letter that gets you to join an association standing up for something. 1- It doesn't have to mean you're against your boss, but standing up for other people facing issues. Like I could stand up for human rights even if in my company they're doing no harm to me. 2- Blaming a person for doing so and kicking him because he supposedly enrolled other to join this cause, is so fucking dumb... This is SO unprofessional from TSM, this is beyond stupid. If I was to play with a guy like Sean, I would stop playing until they kick me out of this shitty org to follow the guy. This roster has so much potential.

2016-12-23 11:05

2 replies

1- he's a representative of TSM so what he says in the csgo community does affect them. The fact that TSM were mentioned in the letter gives Reginald every right to be upset. 2 - I think the fact that Sean was willing to go behind the organisation back is what made them uncomfortable. A player who does that could be dangerous to the organisation in the future. Especially since he had only been with them for a week. Plus leaking a private conversation he had with his ex-boss is VERY unprofessional. In my opinion I think he has done himself more harm than good, most orgs will probably be unsure if they want an employee who acts in that manner.

2016-12-23 11:31

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1. What the fuck would he be upset about? Signing something like that does not bring bad publicity xD 2. If you read what was in the news, he actually didnt and reginald is just shitting on people. Besides, what is there to keep behind the orgs back? He didnt do anything bad or anything that would hurt the org. Theres no reason to hide or specially tell about. Guess reginald is just even dumber than he looks.

2016-12-23 13:23

Wow wtf! This is shaping up to be really important news. If PEA really go through with this crap, its a huge hit for cs esports next year.

2016-12-23 11:14

for me the funniest thing in all of this is how those team owners think they can dictate terms to leagues or else their team won't participate, like what the fuck are you thinking that your team is SK or NiP or something? nobody's gonna care that TSM is not in the league they will watch it anyway

2016-12-23 11:16

NOOOOOOOO FUCK Skyler "Relyks" Weaver Hunter "SicK" Mims Russel "Twistzz" Van Dulken Shahzeb "ShahZaM" Khan This team would have been fucking sick W SEAN, but I guess they could pick up FNS or smth again...

2016-12-23 11:16

Well from a manager´s point of view sgares was not acting in TSM´s best interest. I would kick sgares too if i was the manager.

2016-12-23 11:30

TSM is such a spastic org dropping astralis for na trash and now this

2016-12-23 11:32

TSM doesn't recognise their CS:GO team. I mean even with the old Danish Line-up, there was barely any posts on their FB page. What does TSM do then in CS? CS is another e-sports that LOL. Mostly players with a strong opinion of their own, lot like the Asian sheep. They almost got some more talent into their team, but throw it out of the Window. Sean should think about creating an independent team or go to coaching/managing with his experience. It would be interesting now, how the remaining players (also other NA teams) will react to this. We now, NA labour laws are relly non-existent. And speaking up against managing decisions is considered free speech. The players have to perform hard labour, not the management.

2016-12-23 11:34

Good move, what else can he do? Botgares have to realize that it is not just about the game anymore, it wasn't a professional move from him and he gets punished for it, good.

2016-12-23 11:34

lul csgo wouldnt be enternaining without these NA topkek stories.

2016-12-23 11:35

sg@rel

2016-12-23 11:54

everybody knows shit's fucked

2016-12-23 11:56

he stupid? holy shit what a dumb move...

2016-12-23 11:59

I dont think Reginald is much into csgo. In league of legends its all about the organisations because there are so many tier 1 players on the free markets, So he can more or less choose what he wants. - In csgo its the other way around, too many organisations compared to tier1-2 players.

2016-12-23 12:03

Really unprofessional, but kinda expected by that org. GG TSM.

2016-12-23 12:06

PEA is so dead.

2016-12-23 12:09

Cant have a player union in CS, gotta fire everyone that tries to make one LOL

2016-12-23 12:17

yet again reginald proves what a shithead he is. gg on fucking your own "brand". idiot

2016-12-23 12:18

Also if you want more some fun info about the future of csgo you can check Richard lewis new video youtube.com/watch?v=4hsdSv0kYJg&t=0s every one of these PEA, WESA/EsForce and RFRSH group is making their own streaming platforms where they will stream the exclusivity leagues, so there will be atleast 3 different new streaming platforms to watch these new leagues, and PEA and probably WESA will be pay to view aswell. So have fun watching csgo in 2017

2016-12-23 12:21

rip tsm

2016-12-23 12:29

Nice work from Reginald dragging his own brand through the mud lol

2016-12-23 12:42

The players' are just making asses out of themselves. "I'm just here to play CS" is not a valid argument anymore. First of all, the PEA league and the EPL are scheduled to play out at the same time, so it's practically impossible to play in both. Which means that they HAVE TO choose one or the other either way. "Exclusivity" is not automatically bad. Second, not even CHECKING with their boss to see if they CAN choose before firing shots in every direction, because they assume they can't - it's ridiculous. Third, yet again a case of players apparently not reading their contracts and complaining about something they themselves signed. They are free to negotiate these things like in any other line of work. Regi is not only right to cut gares, but he should probably have taken legal action against gares for leaking private, work-related, conversations. (Not sure if it's illegal where they are, but it is in many places.) Fucking hell, players need to grow the fuck up. They are not 16, getting help from their mommies when something doesn't go the way they wanted it to. They are just damaging the scene with this, while the PEA actually operates as a business should...

2016-12-23 12:44

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They are not employed tho, they are independant contractors. There's a big difference

2016-12-23 13:09

1 reply

To which point does it make any difference?

2016-12-23 17:01

If you read the news you'd know sgares did actually talk to reginald. Imo reginald is a dumb fuck because signing something like they did does not bring bad publicity, but this on the other hand does, a lot.

2016-12-23 13:30

7 replies

Link please. Wanna read it.

2016-12-23 16:26

1 reply

twitlonger.com/show/n_1spfdng Its all in there.

2016-12-23 16:28

You know what, if that's correct, and I don't know that it is (you shouldn't trust something sgares says just because his name is sgares, you know,) that does not take away from my other points.

2016-12-23 17:00

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Leaking is not good, I agree. But idk whats wrong with reginald because signing a letter like that doesnt bring bad publicity to any org. Actually its so insignificant thing that I cant understand what is this fuzz all about.

2016-12-23 19:10

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Okay, so if you own a store and your employees sign a letter that says "we should have the right to choose what clothes we work in," you don't think that implies that you don't allow that? What if you had a dress code which every employee agreed to when getting the job? People reading Scoots open letter will think "wow, the orgs are a bunch of bastards who wont allow their players to choose" when in fact, they ARE allowed to choose (at least in the case of TSM.) Pretty sure that will hurt their brand.

2016-12-23 21:00

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No, not really, its just equals uniting for better future so to say. The guys that have it good in their store can and always should help out the others that dont. If I worked in a store I wouldnt even think its worth mentioning really if I signed something like that half of the countrys store workers already signed. I mean thats the case here just in a smaller scale. Atleast half of the notable NA teams signed it. This is like any other petition imo. Everyone should be allowed to sign and it doesnt bring bad publicity unless you sign something like "all niggers should be killed" or something else negative.

2016-12-24 09:42

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Agree to disagree then.

2016-12-24 18:26

Actually lol'd when reading this crap. The players are damaging the scene for not wanting the orgs to dictate which tournaments to play in? Get real. The orgs are just following the smell of money like flies to dogshit. Ofc they're gonna make a fuss out of players organizing together, they've been abusing the lack of unionizing in e-sports for years. Now their scummy era is finally starting to come to an end, and the scene will be better off afterwards.

2016-12-23 14:37

8 replies

Looking forward for more player owned orgs.

2016-12-23 16:31

1 reply

+1 same

2016-12-23 16:46

Oh, so they were forced to sign their contracts with clauses that explicitly say that their owner can choose which tournaments they attend? And then somehow "forgetting" about it and get offended when their orgs do just that? I also think the players should be able to choose, bitching about it when they signed a contract stating the exact opposite is fucking nuts. That tells you how damn ignorant the players are. And to unionization I have to say this: It's the players' fault. THEY are the ones who can make a union, yet no one has gotten their thumb out their ass and made one. Why?

2016-12-23 17:04

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Have you seen the contracts they're signing? Some of the are absolutely ridiculous and are so far away from any contract in any other major sport. Why? Because they don't have unions or any form of organizing to help them negotiate fair contracts and put pressure on the organisations. Sure, no one is physically forcing them, but it's either sign the contract or get lost. No middle ground. Yeah exactly. And what are we seeing right now? First steps towards making a union. And what is the first thing the organisations do? Straight up fire one of the leading figures in the player's rights movement. Tells you all about the situation right there. But you just continue licking the organisations and corporations asses, scab. I'll stand with the players. You know, the people who actually make up the scene we're supposed to defend?

2016-12-23 22:52

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"Sure, no one is physically forcing them, but it's either sign the contract or get lost. No middle ground." Nope, not even close to true. "And what is the first thing the organisations do? Straight up fire one of the leading figures in the player's rights movement." Lets get one thing straight, it wasn't out of the blue. He did tarnish the brand name and therefore risk alienating sponsors and fans by implying that he did not have a choice. "But you just continue licking the organisations and corporations asses, scab." How am I doing that? By saying that a legally binding document that the players should have read and understood is... well, binding? How about you take a hard long look at how you imagine it SHOULD work and get back to me when you have an answer. No organization will hire a roster that does (read: can do) whatever the hell they want. You can't just give the players what they need and expect nothing in return. Doesn't work like that.

2016-12-23 23:11

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Organizations should beg for players to represent them, not the other way around. Players have already proven they don't need them, orgs are desperate now, trying with shit like PEA to force a monopoly to stay relevant and continue the exploitation. Resorting to scare tacticts, manipulation and ultimatums. Fuck them, we don't need them im the scene anymore. Any tarnish on their shit brands are well deserved and honestly I wish them and their bootlickers even worse.

2016-12-24 15:01

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"Players have already proven they don't need them" Are you talking about player owned organizations? Because that's the same thing but the players' writing up their own contracts. They still have a brand to protect and they hire people to run the org while they play the game. Organizations allow players to not think about stuff like sponsorships, plane tickets, event bookings, housing, or if they will even get a paycheck next month. Saying that you don't need teams to back up the players is incredibly ignorant. I know of NO team that ever played on a top level that didn't have an organization behind them to back them up. There was 1 guy in SC2 I think that won something(?) but that's about it.

2016-12-24 18:31

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I didn't say teams weren't needed, I said we don't need the current organizations. Player owned organizations are not the same thing, they are what the name suggests: player owned. The people booking the plane tickets can't fire the players. the actual foundation of the team, for signing an online letter. That's the difference. No fucking business man telling the players which tournaments to play, how many hours to stream and what they can and can't say. No ridiculous buyouts. Players in charge, just like it should be.

2016-12-26 00:33

we need a revolution. fuck this powerhungry mofo

2016-12-23 12:46

Reginald lmao, now the brand is besmirched and he just lost one of the best IGLs NA has to offer.

2016-12-23 12:46

This Andi Dinh is a real cunt (and nickname Reginald sounds like a cunt)

2016-12-23 12:52

biggest a-hole in LoL Beta i remember.

2016-12-23 13:08

We desperately need a player's union, this would never have happened under a player's union.

2016-12-23 13:08

Team Solo Shit xD LUL

2016-12-23 13:09

Wait i don't get it Why exactly did they dropped sgares? I can't understand shit plz help

2016-12-23 13:12

2 replies

same..

2016-12-23 13:30

In the chat logs Andy said that Sgares was getting fired because of the man decided to write a letter that hurts TSM's brand instead of talking with him in look of a solution avoiding this monkey's show.

2016-12-23 16:31

hahahahha these players must stop playing under they tsm name

2016-12-23 13:19

Typical Reginald.

2016-12-23 13:25

2016-12-23 13:29

Too much drama! just fking play you girls!

2016-12-23 13:35

only retards here, reginald has a point

2016-12-23 13:40

3 replies

have you even read SGares reply?

2016-12-23 13:45

2 replies

yes I have

2016-12-23 14:49

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Then I don't think it's fair to say only Regi has a point, they both do.

2016-12-23 15:32

Wow. Political repressions in cs. Thats new

2016-12-23 13:43

TSM owner should suck balls. I don't believe he's that stupid ... But on the other hand he's american so i'm not that surprised. Anyway, SGares should go back to TSM and this idiot who kicked kim should retire and leave. If i were this CEO i'd kick sgares 2 weeks later telling he's not performing to our standards, but this idiot was too stupid and too quick to think about it. TSMReginald is more like TSMRetired now

2016-12-23 13:48

happy xmas sean, lmao

2016-12-23 13:51

There's so much money in Esports now, this kind of cutthroat grab for the lion's share of the profits by teams owners was to be expected all along, to be honest. They just want the horsepower, they don't want to waste money pouring oil and gas into the machine. Is anyone really surprised at this point? Players now want health insurance, retirement and investment plans, the whole nine yards. And team owners now feel that's a bit too much to ask, it cuts into their profit margins. Who would've thought it, eh?

2016-12-23 13:54

what in the fuck LUL

2016-12-23 13:58

Fuck reginald, go Sean, i'm standing with u 100%. TSM go behind the back of the players with the PEA thing by not letting them compete in EPL, any player would be angry and i totally understand why players did an open letter. Then players go "behind the back" (but i don't see it like this, i see it as a moove to protect themselves and keep an option to be sure that their voices are heard) and are punished for it. So, why in a way it work, and not in the other ? Oh yeah, because it's the reginald's brand. But, how can you expect from your "employees" to respect things that u don't respect as a boss ? And how can u blame them for protect themselves and asking freedom about what tournament they can compete in ? The matter is, if u are the boss, you can do whatever shit u like, but if u are the player, you can just stfu and eat the shit your boss is willing to feed you with. Sean didn't hurt the brand, in csgo as far as i know, since the astralis lineup, TSM are irrevelant. The only hype with TSM on csgo came in with Sean, 1 week ago. Since more than one year, they are irrevelant in csgo, even in NA. So why punish the only bankable player on your lineup if u are afraid that the brand can be hurt ? Fuck you reginald, go Sean

2016-12-23 14:03

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did you read the convos between reginald and the other tsm members? Sick etc told reginald that they didn't knew the content of the letter and sean told them to sign it. TSM has big sponsors, like axe, they could lose those orgs. Also TSM is known to treat their (league of legends)players well.

2016-12-23 15:01

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yes i have read the convos but on my comment i'm defending sean, he has for sure an implication in the decision of the other mates, but they are just throwing him to not loose their job, it's obvious. Otherwise, why would you let your name on the letter then ? They said they had a talk with sirscoot and he didn't make them read the letter but he exposed the content to all the player in "personnal call". Sean here is the scapegoat. It's a matter of liberty to choose as a player what you do, not damaging any brand, look the shitstorm with Sean kicked made a much more shitstorm than it should have been.

2016-12-23 17:37

RIP

2016-12-23 14:07

We ran up them digits we ran up that money

2016-12-23 14:11

so hard for me to read this shit,tell me what's happening in less words plox

2016-12-23 14:14

what do you expect from a organisation based on LoL und with Reginald as the ceo.

2016-12-23 14:15

NA drama, Eu need to show the wesa shit to

2016-12-23 14:16

got balls

2016-12-23 14:16

In Brazil, we have a shit like PEA and his name is ABCDE, a shit conglomerate of League of legends org to want monopolize de esport in brazil, we neeed to stop this shit

2016-12-23 14:17

dignitas inc

2016-12-23 14:20

1 reply

This guy knows+1

2016-12-25 12:46

Ty TSM for releasing best NA IGL and welcome to being trash again ;)

2016-12-23 14:26

RiP but shit lineup anyway ^^

2016-12-23 14:28

Respect to Sean, and TSM shows their true face. Let's hope the rest of the TSM squad stands backs up Sean and tells this shit org what they think about this.

2016-12-23 14:37

sg@res :(

2016-12-23 14:42

LoL WTF ?

2016-12-23 14:49

TSM are a joke Lol

2016-12-23 14:55

lmao the tsm owner got no chill lol

2016-12-23 15:09

TSM is a shitty organisation lol. Never gonna cheer for that shitty org

2016-12-23 15:11

1 reply

i'm with you let's be friend and hate TSM together

2016-12-28 05:21

NA orgs keep proving their stupidity after the ELEAGUE/SK drama

2016-12-23 15:13

Respect for Sean. Hope he'll turn the table.

2016-12-23 15:28

rip Skyler "Relyks" Weaver Hunter "SicK" Mims Russel "Twistzz" Van Dulken Shahzeb "ShahZaM" Khan cause idiot sean and idiot reginald

2016-12-23 15:40

This andy or whoever it is, together with his thing called TSM is just a big fat joke and an absolute marketing-antitalent. Whining through pages to Sean about the brand's reputation being damaged -> ends up being on the internet having no idea that he alone did the biggest damage to the brand's reputation... Who the hell will cheer for a team playing for an org like this anymore? From now on I don't even wanna watch games that have TSM in them xD

2016-12-23 15:50

Let the war begin

2016-12-23 15:52

#fucktsm #fuckfatregi what else would you expect from this fat little fuck reginald..

2016-12-23 15:54

Feel sad... This team actually had quite alot of potential :/

2016-12-23 15:55

Respect for Sean.

2016-12-23 16:10

rofl

2016-12-23 16:10

2016-12-23 16:21

Shaz said that he would play without Sean. So i dont think there will be a TSM soon. gyazo.com/6696ef8f8ba8fa69f12fefa7dc7a54..

2016-12-23 16:26

2 replies

Wouldn't**

2016-12-23 16:33

1 reply

my bAd

2016-12-23 16:34

Sean is an ass, and we won't be working with him again. Gabe

2016-12-23 16:36

Respect Reginald! U ARE THE BOSS! fuck sgres tier 1000000 NA player

2016-12-23 16:42

TSM needs to go fuck themselves

2016-12-23 16:51

minus shahzam too.

2016-12-23 16:55

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Oh yeah semphis and fns are going to get picked up again since shahzam already stated he wont play without sean

2016-12-23 17:07

So fucking stupid xD , sean is the best or one of the best NA IGL xD kys TSM

2016-12-23 17:09

respect sg@res

2016-12-23 17:32

Fuck TSM and especially FUCK REGI

2016-12-23 17:35

1 reply

Actually nvm... fuck seangares for not having a call with regi

2016-12-30 14:36

lmfao fuck tsm

2016-12-23 17:40

sign me ty!

2016-12-23 17:44

Did a lot of the original PEA posts get trimmed or nuked? I know that's a weird question, but I distinctly remember fielding my opinion, but the original post is not only small, but now locked... Also, I've said it before. Exclusivity in eSports is awful for the players. These are young people who aren't getting paid an NFL salary, so their main source of revenue is attending as many events as possible (which also allows them to better compete at a higher level). Until players are making a multi-million dollar salary or something, demanding that players adhere to one league over another is horrifying.

2016-12-23 17:47

Bloody hell Sean you're such a drama llama.

2016-12-23 17:53

Reminds me of when me and my GF are arguing only I didn't know we were arguing. Then my GF goes to all my friends, parents, and facebook to complain about the argument I didn't know we were having. Then I realize this GF probably isn't a good idea to have around and dump her. Regi and Sean in a nutshell.

2016-12-23 17:53

Just NA things

2016-12-23 17:55

Sean really acted retarded. Saying that he got kicked because of standing up for players rights, thats bullshit. Looking at the logs of their conversations, i fully respect reginalds decision of kicking him. As he never even contacted regi before going out as if TSM were against playing in the league.

2016-12-23 17:59

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reading comprehension 0/10 he didn't say he was kicked in the first place, he said he was being released from tsm for his involvement in the players right letter, he didn't say he was getting kicked for standing up for players rights as you seem to think get your facts straight, pr even better some reading comprehension classes! and btw, if you fully respect anything that Reginald does, you either don't know who he is or what the fuck you're talking about

2016-12-23 18:50

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Jesus dude, if you really side with sean on this.. He takes the victim role and tries to get the community with him, like a real dramaqueen. I've read more since i wrote that and no, he didn't get kicked as they talked and got to the point that they had to split up. And belive me, i know who regi is. And i respect him in this, even though im not a TSM fan in any category. But if you really now side with sean, i have a question for you. As Sean said that he had talked with regi about it before the letter went out: Then why didn't he say it when regi confronted him about it in the messages?

2016-12-23 19:13

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if you read Seans replay to Regi you can see that he answers to the question you just made, at that point I think Sean was already aware of the scumbag he was dealing with. "As players, we should be able to stand up for ourselves and each other - and tell the truth - without being afraid that our team owners will accuse us of damaging them. The way I see it, if the community finding out what really happened is damaging to you, then you only have yourself to blame." And that is exactly the point, at no time did Sean or Scoots "tarnish" TSMs brand, they don't even mention it or Regis name... Regi felt blindsided when his players united against PEA, just like his players and the rest of the teams in the association felt when THEIR OWNERS betrayed them and unilaterally decided to scratch their players from EPL

2016-12-23 19:20

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I've read the reply to him, and there is no explanation to why he would say that they had a meeting were they talked about this and it was ok for regi, but not even mention in in the messages that he screenshotted. What im trying to say is: If someone asks you why you did something behind their back, when they knew what you were doing before as he was a part of it, wouldn't you say that to him when he asked? Like why would he not reply on regis text with that he did know because they talked? Btw, TSM is no part of EPL.

2016-12-23 20:12

#playersrights

2016-12-23 18:01

Reginald continuing to be a complete fuckwit. Everyone should just leave and find a new org.

2016-12-23 18:06

They made a good team And they Screwed everything up by Removing their ingame leader without him everything will go to shit Retarded TSM first losing top 3 Team in the world cuz they can't Pay how much the players deserve then they get Shit Na players after failure change trough so many People and now when they actually have a good team He one again Screw everything up. This guy deserve to be Homeless fucking moron

2016-12-23 18:38

TSM are shite, should stick to LoL fuck them cucks.

2016-12-23 18:39

poor sg@res...

2016-12-23 19:01

huck fsm

2016-12-23 19:03

its gg ?

2016-12-23 19:19

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2016-12-23 19:52

TSM's owner is so money whore...

2016-12-23 20:14

i love how you use the *** to show updated posts now. I made a comment like 6-12 months ago that it should be done this way. Did you read my comment and decided to do it because of it? or is it just coincidence that you do it exactly like this?

2016-12-23 20:25

what

2016-12-23 20:53

I was so excited for the new TSM line up. Rip my dreams of seeing TSM at cologne.

2016-12-23 21:19

Those of you who are saying sean is at fault are fucking retarded. Reginald, being the owner and actively participating in the development of PEA should've known that if the players have a representative, they are not obligated to speak to the owners. That's like speaking to the plaintiff when you've already hired a fucking lawyer. Also, sean was threatened and it was either leave or stay and suck on Reginald's dick. Richard Lewis dissects this very well in his video. Also, Reginald's "evidence" that sean was tarnishing tsm's image? How so and where are the evidence? Oh wait, he has none. Having #player'srights or whatever doesn't send out any negative context unless you're an insecure faggot that is Reginald. Even from the video where he blamed WildTurtle for the loss, he shows signs of arrogance, thirst for dominance over others and refuses to that he is anything but right all the time. He can't handle people who aren't pushovers. Did I also mention he's ugly af too? To call him a pig would be an insult to all pigs out there.

2016-12-24 04:42

Orgs really tying to have their players as slaves to advertise their shitty products and sponsors, people that defend orgs are the same type of people that defend corporations, mongoloids. Shit like this needs to happen in order for the scene to grow I hope players keep fighting for their rights and keep outing shitty orgs for malpractice cause this shit is getting out of hand. Sean wasn't at fault here, this isn't an Eric Snowden type of situation, I hope people really try to understand what happened and why the ORG should have a member meeting and pass around wine glasses full of bleach.

2016-12-24 04:58

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Why wasn't Sean at fault, exactly? I didn't understand the whole shebang, so correct me if I'm being a retard... I personally, would have gone to the CEO if something was wrong. Fix the problems internally. The CEO seemed keen on fixing whatever issues they were having, and Sean just told him he didn't have energy (or what the fuck??) to call him. I don't know about you, but I think it's Sean's fault (if I understood the case...) But I also think the CEO went full retard when he mentioned replacing him over a thing like that. Not a professional move what so ever... I could see why Sean eventually wanted to part ways aswell.

2016-12-25 04:01

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He wasn't at fault cause he never once put any negative shit out about TSM and the owner of TSM kept lying and bullshitting about everything Sean didn't say. That being said both Sean's representative and PEA's representative spoke to each other and Sean had no legal obligation to ever have a 1 on 1 with Reignald or whatever his name is. Everything was done properly from Sean Gares side. Above all that Skylar (team mate at TSM of Sean Gares) put out a unified statement speaking for his other team mates saying Sean Gares never manipulated their decisions, they spoke to the players rights representative and well aware of what they were signing on and even sublimely hinted at the management of TSM was lying about the whole situation. Sean was cut for something he didn't even do, literally the most retarded situation ever in CS eSports not even joking.

2016-12-25 08:21

NA drama LUL

2016-12-24 06:36

THE SAME PROBLEM , IN 90S BACKSTREET BOYS, the boys F@CKS "LU" AND STAY QUIET IN ORGANIZATION, NOW REGINALD GET OUT SEANGARES BECAUSE THEY DONT WANNA F@CK HIM.

2016-12-24 06:43

TSM owner, Reginald, is a Monkey, full of shit, he asked for compensation for his team to attend the IEM LoL Tournament.

2016-12-24 14:10

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Reginald: The original monkey in E-sports. To this day, when hltv talks about Brazilians as monkeys, I always imagine them having reginalds face

2016-12-24 14:17

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Yeah indeed, Reginald is the original Monkey.

2016-12-24 14:25

-ShahZaM -Twistzz

2016-12-24 16:24

C9 about to drop n0thing and get sean back

2016-12-24 20:09

Great move by TSM. Anyone who have ever worked with some kind of branding will understand that what Sean did was going to hurt their brand. Reginald gets all the bad publicity because the community just dont understand his position. Sean had no reason to go public the way he did, in doing so he did hurt the brand when it could have been avoided by discussing the matter internaly. Not saying it would be solved (not knowing TSMs intentions) but i´m saying it could have been. If i where the owner of TSM i would have kicked the entire team and pressed charges against them. I´m not even american.

2016-12-24 23:43

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ikr, was thinking this the entire time I read it.. If something isn't okay at your work place, you tell your boss. Which, in this case, sg@res didn't do.

2016-12-25 03:50

you cant sue people for saying something you dont like. you know i believe in sweden you guys still have these things called unions, too?

2016-12-29 11:29

Press charges? lol what are you talking about what charges could of been pursued against sean or the team for that matter??

2017-01-01 20:42

This fucking chink first refuses a better salary to astralis a top5 team, and now makes sure that the actual TSM roster does not sign the PEA letter, a fucking moron in the CS scene, someone somehow has to sue the shit out of this retard, unreal.

2016-12-25 07:34

So... anymore news or tweets? I really want to see how this plays out lol

2016-12-25 07:49

Lmao

2016-12-25 15:03

After having read the log I'm actually on TSM's side on this one, although I'm against exclusivity in general.

2016-12-25 15:58

LUL. But I'm actually on TSM's side ot his .

2016-12-25 22:23

Loled xD

2016-12-26 04:06

fuk reginald man

2016-12-27 18:54

PEA was contentious when it was first established, and all the Pro's were all for it, because they saw it as a way to maximise profits from comps. now that PEA want to ensure that they have the talent pool on hand when they host their own comps, "that clash with established tourneys?" kids done lose thaaaar minds...? They had the foresight it was all written down and was there plain as day. Andy has my respect based on that conversation. BL Sgares, WP PEA. Who cares if it clashed, it's all about the benjamins, baby!

2016-12-28 05:13

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And where do you think PEA will get their money?

2016-12-29 16:04

Reginald worried about brand? This is about the worst thing he could possibly do. Fuck TSM.

2016-12-29 17:10

owned

2016-12-29 20:52

So I get why "seang@res" was kicked from the team, and it seems there are multiple answers to the same questions depending on whom you ask. But my issues with this is, why the hell does anyone agree to sign something they haven't read? It's something you learn at an early age, and these players are 20+, how stupid do one get? really....

2017-01-02 08:37