hades to miss WESG, knc1 to stand in

January 8th, 2017 11:29

The Canadian team which will participate in the WESG 2016 World Finals will use their coach Matt "knc1" Arnold as a stand-in because Warren "hades"Rettich will not be attending the event.

subtLe is facing trouble again after their player Paul "Nerdy" Gill got VAC-banned two weeks ago. David "DAVEY" Stafford joined the squad for WESG in place of Nerdy but soon afterwards Warren "hades" Rettich didn't get his visa.

Matthew "knc1" Arnold who is the coach will be stepping in to become the team's second stand-in. subtLe are in Group A alongside tough opponents such as EnVyUs, Epsilon, and Virtus.pro.

els' team will use two stand-ins 

According to Ellis "els" Clay, hades dodged the LAN intentionally. The Canadian player has released a statement a part of which can be found below. You can view the whole statement by clicking this link.

"Canada has a huge Chinese population thus obtaining a visa is incredibly easy. There are literally 4 Chinese consulates within 10 minutes driving distance from each other in my city. It only takes 3 days (2 if you get it express) if you ACTUALLY apply. Everyone who applied got theirs within 3 days except for ocean because he had to mail in his. Three of us got our visas before Nerdy got banned - more than 2 weeks ago in December." els said in his statement.

"He (hades) had weeks to go and get his, he even lied and told us he did seen here: http://i.imgur.com/exkohVY.png (December 20). You can see me asking for proof which is easy to provide - the pickup form given to you regardless if your visa is approved or not, a valid photo taken within the past 90 days (for the visa), a parking ticket or ANYTHING. He ignored the request and claimed he applied.

…the groups get released and hades is blatantly shook. http://i.imgur.com/84T4DYR.png http://i.imgur.com/NIvphrW.png http://i.imgur.com/mwHsvLB.png. The next day is spent finding a ringer and convincing hades to come. Obviously we have a low chance of making it out of the group of death, but we also have nothing to lose since we're using a ringer and we had already paid for our visas, so why not go?

After some convincing and getting davey on board to replace nerdy, he gives us the OK and we're back to practicing as usual, except he reveals that he hasn't gotten his visa yet (shocker). http://imgur.com/na1oKuU. At this point he has a small window to get it (January 3 or 4 with 2-day express, the same dates davey gets his). Only he doesn't go on the 3rd because he "got too drunk the night before" http://imgur.com/Zakx2xf. He then claims he applies for it the next day and didn't drop the pickup form at my house because "he was tired and forgot so he drove home" even though the entire reason he was delaying getting his visa was because he didn't want to drive ~2 hours to the consulate and then pick it up.

Fast forward to saturday (a day before we leave for china) and he drops the bombshell that he isn't coming: http://imgur.com/OIe6p2t. A day after he supposedly went to the consulate and there was a problem that couldn't be fixed.

Tbh we don't care too much that he isn't coming, we care that he kept lying and practicing with us when we could have brought somebody else if he had just said no. We had a person ready to pay his own ticket to come represent his country on the world stage. Now we're left using a ringer with 1 week practice and a coach with zero practice.

I don't think he deserves a 100-year ban, but he absolutely deserves to never play professionally again which is funny because that's already almost the case since he's been kicked from every team he's ever been on. Ocean and I gave him multiple chances and he's f*cked us over multiple times. I didn't want to bring him to china because he didn't deserve it, and if he had earned it he would have wanted to come, but he was gifted a free ride that he just didn't take."

Thus, subtLe will have the folllowing roster at the event:

Canada Kyle "OCEAN" O'Brien
Canada Ellis "els" Clay
Canada Jonathan "Jonji" Carey
Canada David "DAVEY" Stafford
Canada Matthew "knc1" Arnold

WESG 2016 World Finals kicks off on the twelfth of January and you can find more information about the event on our event page.

BenjaCS is a staff writer at HLTV.org and can be found on Twitter.

Canada Jonathan 'Jonji' Carey
Jonathan 'Jonji' Carey
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Canada Warren 'hades' Rettich
Warren 'hades' Rettich
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Canada Matthew 'knc1' Arnold
Matthew 'knc1' Arnold
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Canada Kyle 'OCEAN' O'Brien
Kyle 'OCEAN' O'Brien
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Canada Paul 'Nerdy' Gill
Paul 'Nerdy' Gill
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Canada David 'DAVEY' Stafford
David 'DAVEY' Stafford
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Canada Ellis 'els' Clay
Ellis 'els' Clay
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LAN dodging in 2017 LUL
2017-01-08 11:29
R.I.P hades
2017-01-08 11:30
United States yvr 
Expected, tbh.
2017-01-08 11:29
Europe Esivo 
Nice one
2017-01-08 11:29
Albania LDK_Hltv 
Nice Dodge Dude!
2017-01-08 11:29
s1 | 
Armenia gr1nch 
lan dodger
2017-01-08 11:29
lol Americans biggest pussy again? from the screenshots he was scared of playing top teams TyLoo beat SK(Major champs) and Liquid (major semifinalists) on their FIRST LAN in EU/NA.
2017-01-08 11:30
2017-01-08 11:31
Hoody | 
Finland jleh 
he's pathological liar like the twitter post says. i've been in a team with one and dear god it's terrible. always bullshit excuses, playing the victim and blaming others. i'm sure hades is going to come up with some bullshit story of the situation. overall tho it's obvious that chinese have wiser state of mind when it comes to esports. work hard, be hard on yourself and improve. instead of NA blaming others and bad luck when they fuck up.
2017-01-08 11:37
He is Canadian. As in French Canadian. Must be pathological the want to avoid conflict.
2017-01-08 11:42
why are you even talking, your trash event is rigged as proven by the groups. The chinese got the easiest groups which is a complete joke so first look at your scene before talking shit.
2017-01-08 12:39
please stop with your bullshit. please provide proof its rigged. or just stfu
2017-01-08 15:17
United States velocityy 
proof its rigged is in the groups lol. get good china.
2017-01-08 17:58
Take a look at group A that's already enough to say groups are rigged lmao
2017-01-08 19:46
they literally put all the threats to Tyloo not making it to the semifinals in the same group, how is that not shady?
2017-01-08 19:58
You provide a valid explanation for the group compsitions obviously contrived to benefit local teams or just shut the fuck up. The tournament is immediately a joke because of it, and it's obvious to anyone except brainwashed Chinese like you.
2017-01-08 21:02
^this. very fishy groups. sad that wesg does this and alipay looks over it
2017-01-08 23:34
Dude, you have to be totally fucking naive to think the groups aren't rigged. Chinese esports events have been notorious for giving chinese teams advantages. Even in game.
2017-01-09 00:09
lan dodgers everywhere
2017-01-08 11:30
Russia PumpKingRus 
100 years ban inc
2017-01-08 11:30
United Kingdom skuutv2 
Dunno, this isn't an essea lan. arkimonday dodged an ESEA lan so ESEA banned him for 100 years.
2017-01-08 15:55
United States koyoCSGO 
Is it indefinite or will the 100 year ban be reduced?
2017-01-09 10:29
United Kingdom skuutv2 
No idea, hades ISN'T banned yet though.
2017-01-09 16:55
Hades is shit af vaping idiot
2017-01-08 11:33
2017-01-08 12:41
2017-01-08 11:35
Liberia fishing_cat 
see what happens when u make a big event with hundred scrub teams attending including a shitty rule about nationality which breaks up half of the rosters that already exist? hope hades gets the fuck out of the pro scene anyway and kicked from rank S. scum like him has no place there, especially since he also sucks major dick.
2017-01-08 11:37
such a pussy
2017-01-08 11:51
I understand him, playing in the same team as OCEAN who probably is the worst player in the pro scene LUL
2017-01-08 11:51
rather play with ocean than some prick called hades (haids)
2017-01-08 11:58
2017-01-08 13:02
Without ocean we would have no stewie, twistzz, nitr0 etc. Brought unknown pugstars into the semipro/pro scene and helped them get discovered
2017-01-08 17:16
EliGE too.
2017-01-08 18:16
World smash143 
Why would you not wanna hang out with ODEAG, he seems like the coolest dude.
2017-01-08 11:56
Australia aHooligan 
Fuck you Hades, you fucking scumbag. Leak di's nudes (but fuck, she has a good pussy) and dodging lans. Fuck you cocksucker.
2017-01-08 11:58
2017-01-13 20:43
So they had a cheater to carry them and they still have their spots...facepalm..this scene
2017-01-08 12:04
Russia sNQ- 
wat? they won lan @ SA, not online
2017-01-08 12:19
American Joelz are that you?
2017-01-08 12:12
Finland Madd!z 
joelz at least says that he won't go to lans.
2017-01-08 12:28
United States lybrel 
joelz went to a LAN and has a 100% win rate
2017-01-08 16:49
Canada Keiosz 
"didn't get his visa". He was going to but skipped it. He literally dodged the tournament cause he is a little pussy :/ :))
2017-01-08 12:16
I bet he dodged because everyone would see that he's actually 5'4 and not 10 lel
2017-01-08 12:19
So you only go to a LAN if you feel more confident in winning? A big tournament is your chance to make a name for yourself, let alone sticking with your teammates and not letting them down. This seems super iffy, and i feel bad for the rest of the team. Regardless i hope Ocean, els, jonji, davey and knc1 have a great trip and do well.
2017-01-08 12:19
shitty mentality tbh, glad i dont think like him
2017-01-08 12:44
agreed mate :)
2017-01-08 12:58
He's a known dick in the community, playing rank s drunk, leaking di's nudes, getting kicked from almost every team he's been on despiye being solid player any shit he gets is deserved
2017-01-08 17:20
Another NA lan dodge
2017-01-08 12:22
Na lan dodge regular in 2017
2017-01-08 12:44
France France98123 
players are too young theses days, wtf is going on refusing to travel to to oposite side of the earth to play some CS, lose or win , who care. free ride, free hotel, free food, what to ask more.
2017-01-08 12:50
too young? hades is like 30 lol
2017-01-08 12:53
France France98123 
then he's a retard
2017-01-08 13:18
its okay to dodge lans, learn from the best
2017-01-08 13:37
WTF, seriously.
2017-01-08 13:39
tarik | 
Lithuania FerrumGO 
"hades - the greek pleb of the bottom of the scoreboard" - DaZeD, 2016
2017-01-08 13:53
just kick him from rank s. pathetic guy
2017-01-08 13:54
who the hell is Hades I never heard of him in my life and sounds like in 100 years no one still have no idea who he is
2017-01-08 14:16
You're one of the few that doesn't know him then.
2017-01-08 14:40
North America S1lentz 
Garbage NA player known for being toxic and has a strict igl style kind of like DaZeD but with worse tactics.
2017-01-08 14:54
You forgot to mention that he is 5'10.
2017-01-08 15:00
North America S1lentz 
lol, as other people have said, "WHO'S 5'10 NOW MOTHERFUCKER?"
2017-01-08 15:05
im here if they need me for china, im better than the hades garbage
2017-01-08 14:42
Belarus Starvoid 
ban him pls
2017-01-08 14:49
Are these teams actually sponsored? WTF? Who would in their right mind sponsor and invest into a team with a mentality like that? A professional player afraid of playing other professional teams. LMAO NA CS
2017-01-08 14:53
Omg, who the hell CARES Americans just love drama, kick the prick and move with your life, no one wants to hear you bitching like a woman
2017-01-08 15:00
Player dodging a $1.5 million lan 4 days before it starts shoudln't be news? got it.
2017-01-08 15:12
Sure, its news, but does this eels guy have to shame him with a tldr? Which btw, tldr. This just 2 days after the pea crap. Boring.
2017-01-08 15:15
He does. Now people will partly know why he has been kicked or left every team he's been on even though he has improved some of them.
2017-01-08 15:21
Who cares lmao
2017-01-08 15:31
Nice nice. I you guess weren't here yet when people were actually questioning as to why hades was kicked from whatever team cause when he got there they actually improved. People were saying he was toxic then others saying his teammates were just being pussies and couldn't take criticism. Of course from all the teams he's left or kicked he just became irrelevant nowadays and newer people in the scene wouldn't know him.
2017-01-08 15:37
I do.
2017-01-09 00:13
United States lybrel 
That's not his point. Absolutely no one cares enough to read about the whining or the story. It's like if a CS player were to post something this long about their mom dying. Not a single person would give a single shit. 5 words on Twitter would have sufficed.
2017-01-08 16:52
I care. And alot of others do too.
2017-01-09 00:14
He's Canadian lmfao
2017-01-13 20:44
Germany nadero 
hades, the petite looking fella
2017-01-08 15:02
Might as well just not go to the event at all :)
2017-01-08 15:06
North America S1lentz 
They all had their visas, a day before they were supposed to fly over, hades was like "sorry guys didn't have my visa on time." Even though he was dicking around just because he didn't want to go.
2017-01-08 15:08
Thats why might as well just not bother going at all as this team wont get anywhere anyway; not a single matche would be won whetther with or without hades anyway and also the experience they would gain playing eu teams wont help them in the future anyway due to the work ethics thats missing, theyll just play, get knocked out andtheyll just forget anout it, there wont be any reviews kf demos to u derstand why they lost, there wont be any serious conversations about the future and how to make sure they counter the teams bext time they play them and especially if players simply dont wont to go to the event with such ahigh price pool. Should disqualify from the event and let another team who wants to go GO and use this opportunity wisely.
2017-01-08 15:16
2017-01-08 17:37
EnVyUs, Epsilon, and Virtus.pro in their group, smart man for staying home instead
2017-01-08 15:26
United States koyoCSGO 
Smart? If he wanted to get better, he would take that ass whooping. Because that ass whooping would be worth gold. The sheer amount he would learn would frack his brain. But he would get better. (Then again, he's as old as TaZ is so if he's not at TaZ's level already, RIP haids)
2017-01-09 11:40
AnJ | 
Latvia `DinGo 
Pathetic moves from hades
2017-01-08 15:58
should still be ez for ODEAG
2017-01-08 16:23
GuardiaN | 
World Darge 
Damn it, I always thought hades would someday get a IGL spot on a top NA team and be worthy of it. Feels bad when a player you support end ups being a shithead, he's for sure dead on the pro scene after this.
2017-01-08 16:24
lan dodger lmao
2017-01-08 16:38
I don't get it why the fuck would you dodge lans, who the fuck cares if you lose. Its about gaining experience.
2017-01-08 16:56
1 week into 2017 and two people have already LAN dodged LUL
2017-01-08 17:29
United States velocityy 
Is anyone else bothered that Ocean used the word "right" instead of "write" .... or just me?
2017-01-08 18:03
nice lul
2017-01-08 18:41
what a fuckboy move
2017-01-08 18:51
shox | 
United Kingdom dezmondo 
sad that people who have such a rare opportunity like travelling across the world to play cs on stage and just dodge and fuck people around. ill never understand it :( such a waste
2017-01-08 18:58
Org got played by a silver scrub
2017-01-08 19:11
they should have taken that wabbit guy, heard he was pretty good for not playing anymore
2017-01-08 20:25
KNC1 dece 1.6 player, GL dudes. I believe
2017-01-08 21:24
Why didn't they take steel in? He even said he was up for it on Twitter.
2017-01-08 22:49
United States mrobbins 
was a pretty solid player in 1.6, wouldn't be surprised if hes better than hades lol
2017-01-08 22:52
he says flying to china just to 95% chance lose all matches isnt worth it....how is a free trip to china not worth it? Also how has this team been playing with him for so long if they all hate him? He isnt even good, why not find another player?
2017-01-08 23:24
So pretty much he has social anxiety and is scared to go. I don't see any other reasoning. Finding "excuses" like this is pretty much all I did with anything in life in the past when I still had problems with it.
2017-01-09 15:03
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