TyLoo remove AttackeR and fancy1 **

Tyloo players YuanZhang "AttackeR" Sheng and YuLun "fancy1" Cai, and the team's coach QiFang "Karsa" Su have been displaced by the organization while HaoWen "somebody" Xu was suspended for contacting other teams.

The most successful Chinese team TyLoo have removed two of its players, suspended one, and also fired their coach.

YuanZhang "AttackeR" Sheng, YuLun "fancy1" Cai, and HaoWen "somebody" Xu, who contacted players from other teams in order to create a new squad, have also received bans from various tournaments, including WCA, Pro Gamer League, ESL, and WESG. 


fancy1 is no longer with Tyloo

TyLoo will attend the WESG 2016 World Finals on January 12th with three stand-ins as only two players remain from their previous lineup. Here is their roster for the event:

China Ke "Mo" Liu
China Hui "DD" Wu
China Zhen "HZ" Huang
China LiKan "ryk" Luo
China Lei "bottle" Mao

* AttackeR, fancy1, QiFang "Karsa" Su, and somebody have given the following statement to HLTV.org and claimed players were actually not under contract:

"First of all, the players never actually had a contract in writing with TyLoo. The organization promised that the players would have the same basic salary for every single player but they failed their promise. DD, and fancy1 were later offered more salary but were told to not tell this to other teammates. DD accepted, fancy1 refused.

This caused resentment for attacker, somebody, and karsa. The organization didn’t keep their promise to pay everyone the same salary so players decided to leave. Then TyLoo made an alliance with the event organizers to ban the players.

We will give HLTV.org a more detailed statement on January 11."

** HLTV.org received an official statement from TyLoo saying that the players actually are under contract and have been removed due to damaging the relationships in the team and with the organization.

"Since TYLOO CSGO team returned to China after the E-League Major Qualifier, team coach Qifang Su (Karsa) and player Yulun Cai (fancy1) have been contacting with other organization, while still in the contract period, and also persuaded teammates to join the other organisation. The behavior has not only damaged the good relationship with the company, but also stimulated internal conflicts in the team.

After serious consultations, the company has make the following decisions:

1. Discharges Qifang Su’s (Karsa) position as team coach.
2. Yulun Cai (fancy1) and Yuanzhang Sheng (AttackeR) into inactive status, banned to represent TYLOO participating any events.
3. Haowen Xu (somebody) into suspension.

We also want to thanks to Hui Wu (DD) and Ke Liu (Mo) for trusting the company in any situation."

It has also been explained that AttackeR recently signed (in November) a new contract set to expire in April 2019, while the contracts of fancy1 and somebody will expire at the end of February 2017. That, however, does not mean that the players will remain banned from participating in all mentioned events until their contracts expire, but until the conflict is resolved.

The organization points out that the situation of somebody differs from the other two players as they are still in talks with him about the future.

BenjaCS is a staff writer at HLTV.org and can be found on Twitter.

China Hui 'DD' Wu
Hui 'DD' Wu
Age:
22
Team:
Rating:
1.13
Maps played:
399
KPR:
0.77
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.17
China Ke 'Mo' Liu
Ke 'Mo' Liu
Age:
27
Team:
Rating:
1.13
Maps played:
406
KPR:
0.78
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.13
China YuLun 'fancy1' Cai
YuLun 'fancy1' Cai
Age:
20
Team:
Rating:
1.17
Maps played:
326
KPR:
0.79
DPR:
0.62
APR:
0.15
China QiFang 'Karsa' Su
QiFang 'Karsa' Su
Age:
25
Team:
Rating:
1.01
Maps played:
98
KPR:
0.65
DPR:
0.61
APR:
0.14
China Lei 'bottle' Mao
Lei 'bottle' Mao
Age:
23
Team:
Rating:
1.12
Maps played:
235
KPR:
0.78
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.14
China Zhen 'HZ' Huang
Zhen 'HZ' Huang
Age:
27
Team:
Rating:
1.09
Maps played:
165
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.19
China YuanZhang 'AttackeR' Sheng
YuanZhang 'AttackeR' Sheng
Age:
20
Team:
Rating:
1.09
Maps played:
329
KPR:
0.76
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.16
China LiKan 'ryk' Luo
LiKan 'ryk' Luo
Age:
30
Team:
Rating:
0.90
Maps played:
200
KPR:
0.62
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.13
China HaoWen 'somebody' Xu
HaoWen 'somebody' Xu
Age:
21
Team:
Rating:
1.11
Maps played:
408
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.14
n1
2017-01-09 13:08
why the fuck would they get banned from different tournament cause they wanted to create a new team? Damn all of French superteam squad would've been banned if they were chinese lmao
2017-01-09 13:10
its cause they went behind orgs back
2017-01-09 13:12
and why tournament bans ? Also all of shuffle are made behind orgs back cause the players decide then they tell the org, that's how it works
2017-01-09 13:15
TyLuL
2017-01-09 13:16
EZ for bottle
2017-01-09 13:29
Bottle ayy lmao!
2017-01-09 14:02
Bottles name Lei Mao L.Mao :()
2017-01-09 17:21
its retarded yes but the tyloo became a child and wanted revenge or some shit
2017-01-09 13:57
you are right, but that is in a country with more freedoms and rights. Government and than businesses come 1st there
2017-01-10 09:28
Following this logic, ex-Luminosity with Fallen must get ban from these tournaments (I'm not a BR hater, but the same situation). Braindead rules.
2017-01-09 13:33
#164
2017-01-09 13:57
*facepalm* sad but true
2017-01-09 14:12
Well Ex-LG and Ex-SK were both banned from Eleague season 1 so.
2017-01-09 14:20
#205
2017-01-09 14:40
the rules arent braindead, the rules can be so broadly interpreted they might as well not exist bans are at the tournament organizers discretion.
2017-01-09 14:57
They were not under contract though, ya it might be scummy but its not ban worthy if there isn't a contract
2017-01-09 14:13
i dont agree with it ffs I agree its fucking retarded by tyloo is apparently run by an 8 yr old who wanted revenge
2017-01-09 14:37
Trump owns Tyloo?
2017-01-09 17:51
Then they'd be top1 and make the rest of tier 1 look like silver III, so no.
2017-01-10 02:12
why SK didnt banned?
2017-01-09 15:00
Cause the org isn't run by a little cuck
2017-01-09 15:26
"DD, and fancy1 were later offered more salary but were told to not tell this to other teammates." "This caused resentment for attacker, somebody, and karsa. The organization didn’t keep their promise to pay everyone the same salary so players decided to leave." How is that the players going behind the orgs back????
2017-01-09 15:11
look at the time I wrote it pls i dont agree with it for fucks sake Im just pointing out the org is retarded shut the fuck up the lot of you please
2017-01-09 15:23
doesnt matter they all look the same anyways
2017-01-10 09:38
after the org went behind the players' back :P It's always the player's fault, except when it isnt...
2017-01-09 15:31
actally they didnt go behind the orgs back because they didnt have a contract
2017-01-09 15:45
#287 oh my fucking god and atleas tjust look at the fucking time ffs why cant you fucking delete a comment why is everyone replying as if im the fucking spokespman of tyloo, fuck tyloo for this and fuck you for thinking I give a shit about what you have to say
2017-01-09 15:47
yes fucking But they seem to have changed their bosses
2017-01-10 03:57
So going behind an orgs back is a ban, going behind players backs(SK-Luminosity mess up) is rewarded?
2017-01-09 16:10
shut the fuck up
2017-01-09 19:11
Yeah dude, what the fuck, offering some players more money and inform them not to tell anybody and then when they refuse and want to form another team you're crying like a little girl that the team went behind your back...the fuck's with that shit??
2017-01-09 20:30
for fucks sake why do retards think I support the decision shut the fuck up you retard and read when I wrote the comment man everyone who replied is literally mentally ill
2017-01-09 20:59
Naaah, we're not mentally, we're just fucking with your nerves dude :)) Chill, you're gonna have a heart attack someday.
2017-01-09 22:33
having one atm
2017-01-09 22:34
you shut up
2017-01-10 11:45
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2017-01-10 14:15
Well done. Here have a free browser cookie for ur copy paste trouble
2017-01-12 12:43
Just look at my other comments mad for fucks sake
2017-01-09 21:01
do you understand that everything about esports is going behind orgs and everyone else's back
2017-01-09 18:56
china
2017-01-09 13:21
different culture I guess. U could just turn it around and say "why the fuck would they go behind their employers backs" i mean that's nothing here in EU but in China maybe thats rly a big no no? idk...
2017-01-09 13:24
Yeah, different culture. I remember when Zhang Jike (table tennis player) didn't get his prize money of like 40k dollars because he celebrated his victory. (damaged a fucking paper barrier and threw his shirt into the crowd)
2017-01-10 00:16
Tyloo have a lot of weight in the Chinese scene + i've heard it may just be until their contracts run out which is next month. Just a way of making sure they can't play for anyone else whilst not getting paid lel
2017-01-09 13:38
Its China bro, their fucked up
2017-01-09 22:30
players should strike and boycott the events. ludicrous these players can be controlled on this level. consiracies!
2017-01-09 22:31
French superteam consists of the world best players. Of course it is the organisation that work with them instead the other way around
2017-01-10 00:19
Why the fuck did you reply to the 1st comment fegit?
2017-01-10 14:29
n1??????
2017-01-09 13:38
COMMUNISM AT ITS FINEST, THANKS CHINA.
2017-01-09 14:30
Not bad! They needed to make changes tbh
2017-01-09 13:09
True, but gutting the squad wasn't necessary.
2017-01-09 13:14
tyloo without fancy1 is like astralis without device =D
2017-01-10 18:59
Well he'll get to make a better team of players :D
2017-01-10 19:13
id like to say -any1 from VG.CZ +fancy = top1 china + more competitive for world scene than any VG.CZ or TL atm
2017-01-10 20:40
wtf
2017-01-09 13:08
wut
2017-01-09 13:08
b8ed
2017-01-09 13:09
contacting organisers to ban players because your trash org can't pay them lol, bye tyloo why did it reply to my comment wtf
2017-01-09 14:46
wtf
2017-01-09 13:08
wow
2017-01-09 13:08
0h my
2017-01-09 13:08
wat?
2017-01-09 13:08
wtfff
2017-01-09 13:08
#19
Sweden bzm 
?+
2017-01-09 13:08
Are you fucking serious?
2017-01-09 13:08
wtf
2017-01-09 13:08
OMG
2017-01-09 13:09
whaaa?
2017-01-09 13:08
rip tyloo and their fixed groups
2017-01-09 13:09
unexpected
2017-01-09 13:09
well, that's a great move.
2017-01-09 13:09
well, that is fun
2017-01-09 13:09
#28
Denmark yanb 
rip tyloo
2017-01-09 13:09
rip
2017-01-09 13:09
rip tyloo
2017-01-09 13:09
WTF why did they remove fancy-dA-k1ng??
2017-01-09 13:09
He is not just removed, he is fired and Banned from alot of tournaments.
2017-01-09 13:25
Got it! I posted this reply before the additional description was added.
2017-01-09 15:15
fancy was a choker, but surprised with attacker removal, guess some personal conflict
2017-01-09 13:09
They got banned from tournaments, not personal conflict
2017-01-09 13:14
right right, just now read the actual text
2017-01-09 13:21
why do you even post before reading the text? makes no sense...
2017-01-09 13:30
ofc everyone reads everything on hltv then posts, but when i posted there where like 2 lines of text, then they updated it.
2017-01-09 16:49
Brazilian reading skills
2017-01-09 13:16
Fancy is their best player xD
2017-01-09 20:14
No, Mo has been their best player by far in big tournaments, then it's Somebody.
2017-01-09 23:21
Wtf Fancy1 was the best player in the team!
2017-01-09 13:09
+ S1mple + Get_Right - Attacker - Fancy1
2017-01-09 13:09
lul
2017-01-09 13:17
+ stewie2k + autimatic 100/8
2017-01-09 14:12
+1
2017-01-09 16:10
rip tyloo
2017-01-09 13:09
Go to NA or EU TyLoo players. You need to improve to get to a Major.
2017-01-09 13:09
Cant. they get banned cuz of China's culture
2017-01-09 13:53
elaborate on this? srs question
2017-01-09 14:15
they broke the bushido code
2017-01-09 15:06
lol
2017-01-09 17:19
hahaha
2017-01-11 21:50
Let's just say that language would be the first problem. Then it comes to the visa,the most important factor. For many of those esports players in China,their family backgrounds can be not so trustworthy from the perspective of visa officials,coz many of them were just kids who did not come from decent families(financially I mean) several years back,thus without enough education(developing countries with so many problems,you name it).That's why they would spend a lot of time on gaming in the Internet bar.You always need something to kill the time right?XDD Now they've become adults.But when they have interviews at the consulate in order to get visa,their backgrounds are likely to show that they don't have any kinds of foundations or basis here.No apartments on their own for example(RIP housing prices in China,so expensive)(You won't believe it but TI2 champion IG's member YYF spent most of the prize money buying an apartment in Shanghai).Besides no proper diplomas or certificates.For many visa officials,esports is something fresh new even kinda bullshit.They'd simply consider their visa application as a potential intention of illegal immigration.Valve even contacted the US consulate once before TI to assist visa applications from Chinese dota2 players.Unfortunately few can be done for them.And that's the same situation Tyloo players are faced with now if they truly wanna play CSGO abroad. Hope my poor English can help you understand.I've been learning German for 2 years.My English vocabulary has significantly dropped.FeelsBadMan
2017-01-09 15:30
Finally some insight from a Chinese person, thanks a lot, but charles is a really strange name for an asian.
2017-01-09 15:50
eh,in case that you haven't seen my comment below,I should probably add this,that since Tyloo has already played in the international scenes,they certainly have no problem with visa,but I think that'll stay cool only for csgo tournaments which lasts for a relatively short period.If they plan to work for any NA/EU teams,I don't think their visa can allow them to stay abroad for like a whole year or so. And as for my English name,the pronunciation of my first name in Chinese starts with alphabet "C",so that's why I choose Charles as my English name back in the childhood. xD
2017-01-09 16:38
your english is fine don't worry.
2017-01-09 16:17
Well, they are not moving to NA (because NA sucks). They would be moving to EU, preferably Sweden. And Sweden would definitely let them in. So Visas can't be the problem.
2017-01-09 18:31
lol, only US visa conditions are retarded as fuck. Should move to Europe. Say in Germany they are political reffugees and they will gladly accept them xdf
2017-01-09 22:33
well language is a problem
2017-01-09 14:03
sry I don't know if you can see my comment below. I wanted to reply to you, but it seems that I've replied to a wrong guy lol. You can check #274 if you want.Hopefully that I've made it clear why it's not easy for tyloo players to play csgo abroad.It's true they've got the visa for tournament,but I don't think that's the long term type.
2017-01-09 15:45
Rip in pieces tyloo
2017-01-09 13:10
Chinese orgs have the power over them .... so harsh :c
2017-01-09 13:10
That's it, it's in China,not in France, Sweden, or any others.
2017-01-09 14:12
maybe is that why you guys are shit, i missing old bebe days korea > jp > china
2017-01-09 14:51
can you explain to me how exactly theyre banned from tournaments now?
2017-01-09 15:29
They cant attend tournaments organised by "organiser who banned them"
2017-01-09 16:09
What exactly are you trying to say with this comment?
2017-01-09 23:51
Chinese organization tend to be more dominating in case of discussion between workers and owners? Idk
2017-01-10 00:14
ya boii!!
2017-01-09 13:10
why are they banned though?
2017-01-09 13:10
ez rip
2017-01-09 13:10
lul
2017-01-09 13:10
Tyloo tier 10 now
2017-01-09 13:10
CZ is Asia namba wan
2017-01-09 13:10
Nice organisations. Welcome in 2017!
2017-01-09 13:10
rip china scene
2017-01-09 13:10
Chinese GULAG incoming
2017-01-09 13:11
RIP
2017-01-09 13:11
Cloud9 fancy1 Cloud9 attacker LUL
2017-01-09 13:11
And leave shroud for online qualifiers
2017-01-09 13:15
-skadoodle +koosta Ez China9 Top 1
2017-01-09 19:15
Asian9
2017-01-09 13:35
China9 or Cloud9.G2asia
2017-01-09 16:25
gg rip tyloo
2017-01-09 13:11
RIP tyLUL
2017-01-09 13:11
Did they get suspended by tournaments for "only" trying to create a team or did they tried to do something fishy ? Like poaching players out of their contract ?
2017-01-09 13:11
The Tyloo organisation asked those tournament organisers to ban them.
2017-01-09 13:15
Hopefully that's only until they get released of their contract
2017-01-09 13:20
like the article says they don't really have contracts. and how i see its its more like TyLoo tryed to get them banned but orgnisators won't ban them because obviously there aren't real reasons
2017-01-09 13:56
like they asked them to get easy groups? no.kappa
2017-01-09 13:20
yes, seems like u know so much about the china scene xd
2017-01-09 13:22
You have to be pretty fucking disgusting as a tournament organizer to accept banning players without question. That, or you're getting payed a handsome amount of cash, which also makes you pretty fucking disgusting.
2017-01-09 14:06
Yes, that's what they do ,It's very ridiculous ,good louck to 4 players (Attacker,cy1,krasa,somebody,}
2017-01-09 14:31
rip china scene
2017-01-09 13:11
why banned wtf
2017-01-09 13:11
omg
2017-01-09 13:12
rip china
2017-01-09 13:12
Ez for VG.CyberZen
2017-01-09 13:12
#63
Australia cwns 
so are the three players banned from ESL events (majors, EPL etc???)
2017-01-09 13:13
Nono, only limited to the one's organized in China, like the qualifiers and such. But still basicly banned from all local tournaments.
2017-01-09 13:18
They have visas at least, NA is coming!
2017-01-09 16:15
lol R.I.P China CS :D
2017-01-09 13:15
noo!!!!!!!!!
2017-01-09 13:16
they must acquired savage
2017-01-09 13:18
+1
2017-01-09 14:17
#77
Australia JaGy 
so fucking stupid.
2017-01-09 13:18
#78
Finland f0pZ 
expected
2017-01-09 13:18
hehe it looks like turkish teams will make a lot of money out of this stupid tournament.
2017-01-09 13:18
Too bad China never pays prize money rofl
2017-01-09 13:24
actually, that is my concern too lul.
2017-01-09 13:26
why is this your concern you wont get pay
2017-01-09 17:51
i am concerned for turkey's gdp.
2017-01-09 17:59
10/10 comment Loughed loudly
2017-01-09 19:39
xd
2017-01-09 19:40
Rip feelsbadchina
2017-01-09 13:19
Why was somebody only suspended, if he was also contacting other teams it seems fair he should get the same punishment
2017-01-09 13:20
He probably wasn't trying to get the whole team to leave like fancy and attacker i guess? I believe it was fancy and attacker who instigated, creating mutiny within the team thus the harsh punishment.
2017-01-09 13:22
oh ok, just wondering is that just an educated guess or is there another source, and the article said they were contacting other players, chinese shuffle maybe XD
2017-01-09 13:23
It's just an educated guess. lol Reasoning is why they layed the hammer down on fancy and attacker is pretty obvious.
2017-01-09 13:26
yeah fair call, the dazed and steel of chinese scene, dirty ringleaders XD
2017-01-09 13:26
Captain Mo Zedong and btw the reason why the coach was fired is that he was sexing a esports host (smix)
2017-01-09 13:22
what's wrong with that?
2017-01-09 13:33
I don't know but they didn't like the connection I guess
2017-01-09 14:25
i'm sure the connection(!) was great tho.
2017-01-09 14:33
<10 ping for sure
2017-01-09 14:37
No karsa was trying to find a new team with fancy1
2017-01-09 13:39
OMG! NOOOOOOOO!!
2017-01-09 13:23
noooooooooooooooooooooo wtfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
2017-01-09 13:23
so sad rip cncsgo
2017-01-10 08:00
Tyloo... Sleep well sweet prince.
2017-01-09 13:24
What the fuck? Tournament organisers banning a player for fucking trying to create a new squad?
2017-01-09 13:24
Tyloo asked them to do it.
2017-01-09 13:28
Why tf would tournament organisers follow what the org says
2017-01-09 13:29
This is China, m8 You can't use the normal logic there.
2017-01-09 13:31
true but ESL isnt from china
2017-01-09 13:35
That is the domestic ESL in China, and actually the orgs' and tyloo's owner have a close relationship ....so it's not weird . Its china
2017-01-09 14:09
ESL is ESL, doesn't mater where the decision was made. ESL should come out and explain WTF is going on. At the moment, it looks like ESL is taking side in TyLoo's internal politics. Weird, really, really weird.. I can imagine some possible explanations but tournament organizer banning players because team asks is not one of them.
2017-01-11 12:28
The ESL ban is limited in china mainland, and I think maybe it is a decision just made by the ESL China and not supposed to have been considered by the general ESL.(ridiculous though)
2017-01-12 14:59
If ESL HQ is not backing this, they should do something about it. At the moment, they look like TyLoo's whore.
2017-01-12 15:22
it's fucking ridic
2017-01-09 13:28
Yeah this is beyond stupid.
2017-01-09 13:35
It says Tyloo asked them to do it, it doesn't say they actually banned them i really doubt very known orgs would do such a thing
2017-01-09 13:57
Rip in piece TyLoo. The last hope is Vici.CyberZen
2017-01-09 13:26
Chinese logic.
2017-01-09 13:26
Detective Thorin needs to get onto this ASAP! edit : There is hope for Renegades at quals now :)
2017-01-09 13:26
ahah lol'd at Detective Thorin
2017-01-09 13:37
Do people even read the articles before they comment?
2017-01-09 13:26
RIP TYLOO
2017-01-09 13:26
wow. wtf ?
2017-01-09 13:27
omg finally no more somebody
2017-01-09 13:27
china orgs best orgs :D i hope the bans arent long duration
2017-01-09 13:33
Why would they try to form another team while TyLoo has been on a constant rise against world class teams ? That's like the UK teams, working well for some months then they disband cause they act like kids.
2017-01-09 13:35
Did you see their recent results ? They were clearly in a slump but you are also right in some way ! They upset pretty big teams ! I hope that fancy and Attacker are still going to play after their contracts expired
2017-01-09 13:40
I don't think their ban is going to last that short.
2017-01-09 15:31
It clearly says they have no contracts.
2017-01-09 15:43
That comment was posted before the update from fancy1
2017-01-09 15:43
Did you even read the article?
2017-01-09 15:40
Did you ?
2017-01-09 19:01
You did?
2017-01-10 16:07
Of course I did, but if you noticed, they edited the article with further informations, which now are clearer than it was before. The article just related the fact that they were trying to approach other players from multiple organisation to form a new team. That's why they got banned and removed. But apparently you prefer jumping onto people to start arguing.
2017-01-10 19:38
Nt. I read both the updates. And imo if trying to form a new team is "act like kids" like you said, then RIP worldwide sports. Especially when the players felt like they were treated like sh#t from their org.
2017-01-10 19:50
china #1
2017-01-09 13:35
Leave the gun, take the cannoli... Damnnnn.
2017-01-09 13:36
C r y 9 Stewie2k autimatic somebody fancy1 AttackeR EU > SA > CH > CIS > AU > NA
2017-01-09 13:36
Yes, because they wouldn't want to attend events like WCA, Pro Gamer League, ESL, and WESG, right? Fuck big events, let's just have a team who can't attend these.
2017-01-09 15:33
autimatic can't speak anything, but koosta and stewie2k can and + they need an AVP player
2017-01-10 06:07
chinese teams be like. they no play with us, they play with no one
2017-01-09 13:37
you guys aint play no more
2017-01-10 00:19
Rip TyLoo [*]
2017-01-09 13:39
rip tyloo
2017-01-09 13:40
What in the fucks name is that. Banned for contacting other teams now thats shits a crime against humanity im calling for execution
2017-01-09 13:40
rip, never forget the 2-1 vs LG
2017-01-09 13:40
EZ FOR FNATIC
2017-01-09 13:41
honestly just ban tyloo from events for working like this
2017-01-09 13:41
what
2017-01-09 13:41
TYLOL retarded org
2017-01-09 13:42
TYLUL*
2017-01-09 13:59
gz hah
2017-01-09 13:42
feels bad
2017-01-09 13:44
Mo, DD, and fancy1 were later offered more salary but were told to not tell this to other teammates. Mo and DD accepted, fancy1 refused. Seems like unfairness and corruption are grasped not only by chinese government, but by gaming orgs also lmao.
2017-01-09 13:45
such a pussy organisation
2017-01-09 13:51
tylul
2017-01-09 13:45
worst org
2017-01-09 13:46
nice drama. i like drama
2017-01-09 13:47
this is a sad day for international cs
2017-01-09 13:48
they should make china team like fancy1,zhoking,tb,lovey,mo
2017-01-09 13:50
no Savage no party, sick awp
2017-01-09 13:54
huge respect to fancy1!
2017-01-09 13:50
+1 MO and DD are dickheads
2017-01-09 13:53
So fancy , Attacker , somebody and Karsa were the good guys in this situation ! And I cant understand why they would offer only to those 3 players ! Mo and DD are some pricks
2017-01-09 13:57
tbh the players aren't good or bad guys in this situation. The org is just full of shit in the story. imagine you're 20 you're earning some money playing cs and your orgs tell you you can win even more, well 95% of us would accept that you don't know how many they earn, if it's a viable thing to be a "pro chinese cs player" (lets face it they are not a very good team so is it worth it playing all day every day ?) so mo and DD aren't dickheads, but huge respect to fancy1.
2017-01-09 14:01
imagine you're 20 you're earning some money playing cs and your orgs tell you you can win even more,but you can't tell the people you work with, who put in the exact same amount of time and effort.
2017-01-09 14:09
it's easy to call out this afterwards, but it's the org's fault, not the player's. you can't blame them for accepting this, you can only respect the one who refuses. you can trash talk tyloo tho because they deserve it so much
2017-01-09 14:13
imagine you're 20 you're earning some money playing cs and your orgs tell you you can win even more,but you can't tell the people you work with, who put in the exact same amount of time and effort. ^^ What your saying is retarded tbh, do you think all players in Real Madrid earn as much as Ronaldo because they put as much effort and time???? If Club chooses to pay more a certain player cause the club believes he's worth more value, that's their decision. Also all contracts are confidential this includes sharing any information with friends/teammates. So yes your not suppose to share the information, you just have no idea the amounts going through in eSports atm.
2017-01-09 14:47
if you read the article you would see tyloo promised the players they would all get equal saraly and then went back on that without being up front about it
2017-01-09 14:59
time and effort isn't your worth
2017-01-10 00:25
Yeah huge respect <3
2017-01-09 14:12
Lost respect for tyloo
2017-01-09 13:51
smh total bullshit this is why player-owned orgs need to become the standard
2017-01-09 13:52
RIP tyloo
2017-01-09 13:53
lol and they still allowed to play with 3 standins xd
2017-01-09 13:53
Chinese drama here we go
2017-01-09 13:53
GG this will be a embarrassment for Tyloo, when the trio will give entire details
2017-01-09 13:53
attacker and fancy1 to cyberzen?
2017-01-09 13:54
Lol if that is true that seems to be total bullshit by Tyloo. But who knows most of the time there are two sides on a story like that. I would like to see a video by thooorin or RLewis on this topic.
2017-01-09 13:54
well let me make it clear for you, the boss of Tyloo is like a mafia/Hitler in Chinese csgo, and you can't expect a man like that to keep his promise. VG always lost to Tyloo but up till now they got a better salary then Tyloo players, and when the players decided to leave, he use his relationship with org in Chinese to ban the players :).
2017-01-09 13:59
Thank you a lot for answering me. Most people from europe like me don't have a clue about the east asian organisations. Yeah I thought that its more into that direction because banning players from leagues like Tyloo did is unbelievable :D Really sounds like a mafia
2017-01-09 14:01
China CS in 2017 LUL
2017-01-09 13:58
BAN FROM THE LISTED EVENTS ?:D IS THIS A JOKE ?
2017-01-09 14:01
only until they are under tyloo contract
2017-01-09 14:16
but there is no contract right ?:D according to the players statement ... lel
2017-01-09 14:24
there are always two sides of every story... tyloo claims that players are under contract and i think they will last until february;: who knows we will have to wait and see
2017-01-09 15:15
dd and fancy1 were later offered more salary but were told to not tell this to other teammates. DD accepted, fancy1 refused.
2017-01-09 14:01
What ? Did they cut Mo ? Because the article said he also accepted , alongside DD
2017-01-09 14:04
no YuanZhang "AttackeR" Sheng, YuLun "fancy1" Cai, and HaoWen "somebody" Xu, who contacted players from other teams in order to create a new squad, have also received bans from various tournaments, including WCA, Pro Gamer League, ESL, and WESG. hahaha wtfffffffffffffffffff
2017-01-09 14:06
No man , I meant if he was cut from the update article cause it said that Mo also was offered bigger salary and accepted it
2017-01-09 14:07
#176
Brazil jz- 
rip tyloo best players
2017-01-09 14:02
asian drama best drama they really live in their own world
2017-01-09 14:05
RiP Asia CS
2017-01-09 14:05
respect fancy1
2017-01-09 14:06
Omfg tyloo. No more ez win vs chinese team
2017-01-09 14:07
there will never be tyloo sticker in the game 100%
2017-01-09 14:07
mad respect for fancy1
2017-01-09 14:07
If MO is leaving as well, and they manage to get savage from CZen, then we might have an actual good chinese team on the horizon. PS. I hope that the situation with tournament organizers will be resolved soon. This isn't drastically differebt from the LG/SK drama, they don't deserve bans.
2017-01-09 14:13
those guys partnered up with savage would be amazing
2017-01-09 15:35
this is big mistake i guess
2017-01-09 14:08
RIP CHinese CS Scene forever
2017-01-09 14:12
its 2017 year and we still have a dramas about contracts, salaries and other bullshit in teams. and im laughing even more, cause its best team in China, they attended a big tournaments, etc. its was ok i think for cybersport when it was 2008-2010, but this shit keeps happening again and again. Tyloo beat VG in many tournaments, but who laughing now? VG have same roster, while Tyloo now in a big troubles. im sure they will fail so much on WESG finals
2017-01-09 14:13
TyLoo = TSM now such a shady org
2017-01-09 14:14
Fak dis shit shitty tyloo
2017-01-09 14:14
LOL DAT WIERD
2017-01-09 14:17
Lmao, gj tylul
2017-01-09 14:19
TyLoo = TSM
2017-01-09 14:19
ez for Hui
2017-01-09 14:19
time to #freeqz
2017-01-09 14:22
TyLoo is a scummy org, Mo and AttackeR have no respect for their teammates and fancy1 is the real MVP.
2017-01-09 14:23
Rip Tyloo
2017-01-09 14:24
Well that was (savage)
2017-01-09 14:25
Wow...fancy1 got dropped for doing the right thing
2017-01-09 14:26
seems like a lot of people commenting didn't finish reading the article: "First of all, the players never actually had a contract in writing with TyLoo. The organization promised that the players would have the same basic salary for every single player but they failed their promise. DD, and fancy1 were later offered more salary but were told to not tell this to other teammates. DD accepted, fancy1 refused. This caused resentment for attacker, somebody, and karsa. The organization didn’t keep their promise to pay everyone the same salary so players decided to leave. Then TyLoo made an alliance with the event organizers to ban the players.
2017-01-09 14:29
that part wasn't there when it was first published
2017-01-09 14:46
oh alright :D
2017-01-09 14:56
rip
2017-01-09 14:29
Whaaaaaaaaat? #FreeFancy1
2017-01-09 14:30
According to the statement Tyloo has made today, the players are only banned till their contract problem with Tyloo is resolved. Therefore they can still make a new squad and shoot everyone in the head after that.
2017-01-09 14:34
This is an internal conflict between tyloo and its players. Why are they banned from tournaments? Sounds corrupt as fuck.
2017-01-09 14:37
not really, this happens alot in any sports including football. But it's also the reason you see it happen alot less cause football players know the risk. At the end of the day, its another set example of what contracted CSGO players can expect. Reminds me of the fxy0 ban for throwing games/bet.
2017-01-09 14:51
"First of all, the players never actually had a contract in writing with TyLoo"
2017-01-09 21:01
RIP Tyloo [*] :(
2017-01-09 14:38
shady chinese business dealings, can't say this comes as a surprise to me
2017-01-09 14:38
Coming from NA. LOL
2017-01-09 15:01
it's much worse in china with all that under-the-table money flowing in and out like crazy at a huge amount of white collar jobs
2017-01-09 15:02
Well, you can't compare it like that. I mean NA has like only 1/4 of the population that China has. And still we hear enough shadiness from NA.
2017-01-09 15:03
You hear more about NA than China, but China is more corrupt. It's just common in China, everyone knows its like that and no one cares.
2017-01-09 17:06
NOOOOO!!! TyLoo the end :( very good team. very very perspective... cry ;(((( now VG.CyberZen TOP1 China
2017-01-09 14:43
bring then to A M E R I C A
2017-01-09 14:45
TyLoo ? More like TyLUL.
2017-01-09 14:54
-tb -LOVEYY +attacker +fancy eztop1
2017-01-09 14:55
Why remove loveyy? They should remove advent. This guy sucks.
2017-01-09 16:15
ez4cyberzen D:
2017-01-09 15:01
wtf lol
2017-01-09 15:04
rip chinese hope
2017-01-09 15:10
TyLoo trash org..
2017-01-09 15:12
Welp lol
2017-01-09 15:13
scumbag tyloo
2017-01-09 15:14
Couple days before WESG, they probably refused to use some external help, so they've been kicked.
2017-01-09 15:16
They will never be the same strength again.. Sad to see this
2017-01-09 15:18
they will probably bottle this
2017-01-09 15:24
ashamed to be a part of cn csgo &#65306;>
2017-01-09 15:28
They have to get unbanned. This is fucking ridiculous.
2017-01-09 15:29
Better migrate to Singapore and eat da Singapore logic.
2017-01-09 15:30
VG top 1 china inc
2017-01-09 15:32
This is stupid. Talking to other players while your team is in a turbulent state and arguably not under contract just makes sense career wise
2017-01-09 15:35
fancy1 is the chinese beast, what are they doing?
2017-01-09 15:38
yeah the punishment seems sort of harsh. attacker and fancy are like top5 cn players.
2017-01-09 16:20
"DD, and fancy1 were later offered more salary but were told to not tell this to other teammates. DD accepted, fancy1 refused." fancy1 +respect
2017-01-09 15:39
What the fuck?!?!
2017-01-09 15:39
#FreeFancy1
2017-01-09 15:43
Hard to say who is telling the truth. Because according to tyloo's official claim, they have the official contract and these players did betray that contract. This official claim is published much earlier than this message here. If you can read Chinese and go to different forums in China you will find many different stories about this. What is interesting is that many csers including legends such as Alex44, aiwa, tb, etc. support the tyloo club but not these players. At least we know the fact that Attacker said that they were not doing this for money on his weibo (i.e., Chinese "twitter"). However, they said this is completely the money issue. So... really hard to say what happened. Wait for more details and more proves.
2017-01-09 15:44
Fancy1 Respect
2017-01-09 15:47
Guys...Usually I play with chinese because Im from far east of Russia...Trust me, a lot of chinese are retards...They are really re f*cking tards...Not all but a lot of them.They can't understand casual things like eco.A lot of chinese just buy every round xD.Not about this.So, I think that Tyloo is dumb and retard organization...
2017-01-09 15:57
Out of curiosity, what rank are you?
2017-01-09 15:59
Sorry, just come to PC. Rank global, 2000 elo at 5ewin league.
2017-01-12 08:28
It's not that they're stupid. It's that Chinese companies are very very power hungry and want their "workers" to know that thy cannot betray them without a ridiculous punishment. I hope the tournament organizers can lift these undeserved bans.
2017-01-09 15:59
I can confirm this. Force buy every round.
2017-01-09 16:08
im chinese, im a retard too?
2017-01-09 16:46
No no. Actually I said that not all chinese are retards.I know that everyone chinese should know 4 languages, it means very good education.Chinese in my team even don't know English...I can' understand this.I know that now in China a lot of Russians schools...You are good dude :)
2017-01-12 08:30
And people thought TSM was a shady org LOL wtf is this
2017-01-09 15:56
It's bullshit. They were legit my fav team. Fancy was my 2nd fav player. But hey, now he's banned from important events.
2017-01-09 15:58
yeah. and the remaining two will never be seen in a big international lan again it's a lose-lose for everyone involved. I dont get it.
2017-01-09 16:00
It's the, "If I can't get MY way, NOBODY can" mentality. Chinese people are VERY power hungry.
2017-01-09 16:02
Can't he just move to na, join a semi-decent team there and attend all events? Tyloo's power is just in asia, no?
2017-01-09 16:25
YuanZhang "AttackeR" Sheng, YuLun "fancy1" Cai, and HaoWen "somebody" Xu, who contacted players from other teams in order to create a new squad, have also received bans from various tournaments, including WCA, Pro Gamer League, ESL, and WESG.
2017-01-09 16:26
why the fuck does tyloo have power over esl and wesg
2017-01-09 16:26
"Then TyLoo made an alliance with the event organizers to ban the players." - Karsa
2017-01-09 16:28
tbh the event organizers should just ban tyloo instead of induvidual players, fucking corrupt system, what a shame.
2017-01-09 16:29
The whole situation is fucked right now. The only hope is other orgs/players stand up for the ex-TyLoo players.
2017-01-09 16:30
dafuq :(
2017-01-09 15:58
Fuck tyloo management!They have no contracts with players. So why cant they "creat a new team". Chinese way trick!
2017-01-09 16:05
karsa to play again as igl + savage ez 4 new tyloo
2017-01-09 16:07
These hoes ain't loyal
2017-01-09 16:26
Tyloo sounds like a real scumbag organization is that statement by the players is correct.
2017-01-09 16:30
never seen a stupid bullshit like this if some people want to create a new team they get banned from all tournaments ? wtf also isnt that hz guy vac banned they disqualified from minor cause of him or is that kz lol
2017-01-09 16:32
Thats qz, not hz or kz
2017-01-09 16:49
cool nicknames dude
2017-01-09 16:51
age: 30 lol
2017-01-09 16:31
what the fuck??
2017-01-09 16:34
chinese 3 symbols nicknames LUL
2017-01-09 16:40
3 symbols is australia bro jks, yam, azr
2017-01-10 04:28
They lost 3 good players... I guess RIP TYLOo
2017-01-09 16:41
Are those 3 players able to speak English? Since they have visa to work in EU they could try EU team.
2017-01-09 16:45
-shroud -nothing -skadoodle +attacker + fancy1 +zhoking c9 top1 "NA"
2017-01-09 16:49
>Then TyLoo made an alliance with the event organizers to ban the players. lmao sounds like North Korea but why ESL also banned them, didn't know ESL is North Korean aswell
2017-01-09 17:02
chinease orgs are always fishy asf , fuck tyloo
2017-01-09 17:07
Good guy fancy, didn't take higher salary to keep the promise.
2017-01-09 17:09
Tournament organizers should ban Tyloo from participating their tournaments. Force them to humble oneself.
2017-01-09 17:12
china always have this dark sh&t. owners making organizers scr3w players
2017-01-09 17:17
LUL ESL
2017-01-09 17:21
typical chinese shit XDdDdDD
2017-01-09 17:33
So there is no contract in writting, but tyloo expect players to stay with them even tho they are in fault (according to the players at least). Tournaments should be banning tyloo instead of the players if this is truly the case. Anyway [*] tyloo
2017-01-09 17:40
not gurante 100% win
2017-01-09 17:46
no written contract?
2017-01-09 17:56
chinese shuffle
2017-01-09 18:05
Good move Tyloo, everybody hates your org now
2017-01-09 18:08
Disgusting from tyloo org
2017-01-09 18:12
typical fuckin China org
2017-01-09 18:13
rip tyloo
2017-01-09 19:02
wtf is this shit xD gj tyloo
2017-01-09 19:03
nice gl
2017-01-09 19:14
TyLoo will die now, i just hope the guys actually will make a better team xDDDDD
2017-01-09 19:28
Interesting news. Does Csgo players have same salary usual? I was thought Karrigan should be pay world Toppest salary in csgo player area.
2017-01-09 19:29
depends on contract, but usually not a good idea
2017-01-09 19:53
valve (+ esl, faceit, eleague etc)should ban tyloo from every of their event
2017-01-09 19:31
If you are employed, I think you should respect your employer enough to let them know your discontent
2017-01-09 19:53
overreaction
2017-01-09 19:58
China namba wan!
2017-01-09 20:00
pride > brains for tyloo. fuck are they gonna do now? leech a player off Vici gaming? as if.
2017-01-09 20:04
RIP Chinese scene!
2017-01-09 20:06
wtf tylul
2017-01-09 20:18
lol their 2 best players
2017-01-09 20:24
Why tourney bans?
2017-01-09 20:33
Another part of this story reported by GAMURS: TyLoo collaborated with WESG so that the dropped players couldn't compete in the tournament with another team. Kinda BS shit going on
2017-01-09 21:06
So it means that fancy and attacker can still compete in any local events but they cant participate in any local events under tyloo name, right?
2017-01-09 21:11
** I think the org is lying But don't care at all, just procrastinating and reading hltv
2017-01-09 21:12
Full BS ... No need for a ban to tournaments.
2017-01-09 21:15
#407
United States n2g 
Time to replace advent with fancy on cyberzen
2017-01-09 21:17
CRYLOO 4Head
2017-01-09 21:42
Are you kidding me? ....
2017-01-09 21:48
RIP Tyloo 0.87 rating lul
2017-01-09 22:05
???
2017-01-09 22:09
lul
2017-01-09 22:12
wut rip tyLUL
2017-01-09 22:14
"DAMAGED A GOOD RELATIONSHIP" wtf? So they lied to the team about salaries in their contract and to the public about the duration of those contracts (or they weren't fullfilled by tyloo if they expired, who would try to leave the best team of his country?)......aaand they call it a good relationship. Seriously, fuck Mo and DD
2017-01-09 22:44
thats retarded -.- fancy carry that shit
2017-01-09 22:44
Light a Candle for Chinese CSGO Scene ( More TyLoo) [ i ]
2017-01-09 22:45
Lmao this fucking shite tyloo team will attend DH LAS VEGAS TO LOSE 16-0 ?
2017-01-09 23:28
fancy1 to cyberzen would be nice
2017-01-09 23:36
TyLoo aka mafia org #1 what a stupids authoritarian mafioso bosses. Play for me, never complain, no? ok ur banned. ill tell my mafia friends in ESL, PGL and WESG and so on. Rip Fancy, Attacker and Somebody also DD And Mo who are probably being blackmailed by Tyloo management. xd
2017-01-09 23:52
Does it mean they still can compete in local tournaments but they cant attend tournament if they represent tyloo?
2017-01-10 04:58
First TSM with Seangares. Now Tyloo with Attacker/Fancy. I LOVE IT. GIVE ME MORE DRAMA! :)
2017-01-10 00:46
Congrats vg cyberzen. #1asian team
2017-01-10 00:49
I hate orgs...never listen to players...sad tyloo had potential I hope the players will be unbanned soon RIP TYLOO
2017-01-10 01:34
Is there any eu or na teams who can hire them for mercy?
2017-01-10 01:48
they need translators for interviews I'm pretty sure there are bunch of NA orgs looking for talents but as long as they can't communicate there's no way they are playing for NA orgs(like dig) EU orgs are more domestic oriented since they have way more talents there
2017-01-10 02:16
RIP CN CSGO
2017-01-10 02:06
fancy1 and somebody have so much potential
2017-01-10 02:19
Now I hope Tyloo does shit. Fk them
2017-01-10 02:46
tier10 expected..
2017-01-10 03:13
I hope ESL and valve just ban Tyloo org haha
2017-01-10 03:56
Tyloo the organization has lost all my respect to them. They pretended nothing happened but let the cheater QZ play in their team. And now this drama...
2017-01-10 04:02
Hope big org in dota2 will take them as csgo team, Tyloo is such retarded
2017-01-10 05:16
I watch interviews of the owner and kinda like him. I feel like he knows alot about csgo pro scene and is a cool guy. Didnt know he is that kind of person.
2017-01-10 12:11
well that's one of his faces xD
2017-01-10 13:00
Hold up. Is the manager also the owner?
2017-01-10 13:38
If you mean owner = director, then there are 2 ppl
2017-01-11 06:13
It's not stupid.It's just savage.Welcome to China.
2017-01-10 05:30
savage not play for tyloo www.hltv.org/player/180-savage
2017-01-11 14:50
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2017-01-10 05:39
yessss, now RNG can finally beat Tylol :D
2017-01-10 06:17
Banned from tournaments for this? Pathetic.
2017-01-10 06:22
nice org LUL
2017-01-10 07:28
tyloo -mo -dd random org +whole tyloo roster of 2016 mak my words
2017-01-10 08:20
RIP AND GG CN CSGO
2017-01-10 10:28
if i were mo or dd, ill seek another organization. lost respect for tyloo(org)
2017-01-10 12:10
shitty of an org to do so > We also want to thanks to Hui Wu (DD) and Ke Liu (Mo) for trusting the company in any situation. fucking communism
2017-01-10 12:32
omg, wtf China???
2017-01-10 13:27
this is bullsh#t, why would you ban players for looking into other orgs? so lets say GeT_RiGhT is talking with olof about switching and then he gets banned from every tournament? Nah. This is so messed up. china wake up
2017-01-10 14:24
https://twitter.com/tolkienfanatic_/status/818848113993588736 somebody will be playing at WESG apparently
2017-01-10 17:07
fancy1 into VG.CZ to top1 china and more competitive chinese team
2017-01-10 18:59
more competitive ??? Both are absolute trash against good non Asian teams.
2017-01-10 20:42
TyLoo ---This company nasty!
2017-01-11 14:49
Updates from fancy, attacker and karsa's weibo (Chinese version of twitter) accounts. In summary, according to them (mostly fancy, who spoke out the most): 1. fancy and Attacker do have a contract with Tyloo starting from early 2016 until early 2017. Karsa the coach, however, never has one all the way, and therefore is unbounded by any supposed restrictions to do anything from the club whatsoever. 2. Before their formal contract, fancy already played for tyloo for a while, and had been approached by other Chinese clubs with a much higher salary (20 times more than Tyloo offered) 3. In 11.2016, after their loss in US (presumably the 0-16 defeat from Cloud9 in IEM Oakland), tyloo, with consent of all the team members, "decided" to remove Mo from the roster and put Karsa in. But somehow it didn't happen. 4. After coming back to US, with their contracts expiring soon, they approached the club for a better salary and some modifications of unfavorable terms in their contracts. The response from Tyloo management was to secretly offer Fancy and "another player" (presumably DD) higher salary than others. "Another player" accepted, fancy rejected and immediately informed it to other members. 5. Thereafter, the members met with the management again, asking for equal salaries but the management openly rejected it. It seemed that then the members did not insist on it and ask for modifications of the unfavorable terms in the contracts. The management only verbally promise the improvement but refuse to apply it in the contract. Fancy, Attacker and Karsa were then determined to leave the club after the expiration of their contracts (Karsa can do it whenever he wants in fact) 6. The management seemed to be still eager to keep the players and conversed with karsa somebody and attacker with grateful words. Karsa was partially convinced and there seemed to be an agreement that the roster will be kept until the end of the contract period. 7. Only one day later they leared that HZ from AG club will come to Tyloo, thus chaging the roster and breaking the promise just made by the management. Totally intimidated by this change, they met with the management again and the decision of removing them from the roster was then made and informed by the managemet. 8. They deny any attempt of joining other existing clubs but said that they have only considered establishing their own club.
2017-01-11 14:53
TYLOO is a rubbish company!Mean shameless! &#65306;&#128545;
2017-01-11 14:53
All I get from this is that DD is scummy
2017-01-12 08:43
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