fancy1: "We didn't damage TyLoo"

BenjaCS
January 11th, 2017 17:26

YuLun "fancy1" Cai has given a detailed statement about his removal from TyLoo and what led up to it.

The Chinese team fired their coach QiFang "Karsa" Su and ousted two of its players, YuanZhang "AttackeR" Sheng and YuLun "fancy1" Cai, on Monday. The organization also suspended HaoWen "somebody" Xu who was later pardoned and joined the team for the WESG 2016 World Finals.

The TyLoo organization claimed Karsa and fancy1 got in contact with other organizations and persuaded teammates to join them. Consequently fancy1 and AttackeR supposedly received bans from various tournaments, including ESL, WESG, Pro Gamer League, and WCA.


The Chinese player opened up about the latest events 

Two days after the news, fancy1 gave a comprehensive account of how this matter developed:

"I am willing to accept legal responsibility if anything I said is not the truth," stated fancy1 in the beginning.

"This is fancy1, professional CS:GO player for TyLoo Gaming. The announcement by TyLoo about banning us from attending future tournaments has been made public to the Chinese CS:GO scene. However, I am feeling the absolute necessity to clear up this whole thing to you, since all four of us (fancy1, somebody, AttackeR, and Karsa) have been the biggest victims. We have been under unfair treatment by the TyLoo organization. More seriously, we have been threatened and menaced, and banned by TyLoo and other tournament organizers. All these measures have been taken only because we planned to not extend our contract with TyLoo. This is the Chinese esports scene. I clearly know that what I'm saying will probably affect my future career, but I'm feeling the responsability of letting all Chinese CS:GO fans and industry people know the truth and facts.

The whole thing, I think, originated from the loss we had at the end of 2015 at the SL i-League China qualifier. Before that, TyLoo had not been champions in a long time. The vital tournament to be at SL i-League. After that loss big internal issues occurred among the team. However, unlike what happened now, we (players) didn't have contracts with TyLoo back then. The night of the loss I had a long talk with AttackeR (when he wasn't in TyLoo yet) about the possibility of forming a new team because we had the same dream, which was not motivated by making money. Only when we achieve our dream will we have a clear conscience about the money we make. We did make a lot of effort to climb to the top of China from the bottom. The night after the loss, Kindy (TyLoo's manager) found us and talked about the future of our team. I said: "If we still can't become champions, our team will part ways". Kindy said with tears in his eyes and appearing sad: "Please stay, even if I need to invest on team personally. No matter what happens, I won't let TyLoo break up. We will stay on for one more year." I was feeling bad, seeing him in tears, and I really wanted to help him. After that talk we got a one-week break. Meanwhile, one other interested organization contacted me about forming a team built around me. "We will give you a nice treatment and you can pick anyone you want to be teamed with. I'll give you 20 times salary as you have now," they said. I was shocked and even talked about it with my family and friends. All of them recommended me to have a go at it, but I wasn't convinced. Finally, when I considered how Kindy looked when we had that talk and what he said, I refused the offer because I didn't want to hurt a friend (Kindy) who I had been with for a long time. In addition, I did feel there was potential in Kindy and TyLoo. I thought he would help us pursue our dream. So I just refused the offer from the other organization.

After i-League, we had our first contact with JasonP (shareholder of 5EPlay.com and 5Ewin.com), who later became the biggest shareholder in TyLoo. I thought he would just help make a plan for our future development. At that time, JasonP appeared to be a very smooth talker. What he said made good sense. And what he offered us seemed to be much better than what it had been before. (However, everything he promised was just talk, and it only seemed to be good. In the end most promises have not come to fruition even by now). So we struck a deal. After that, I introduced Karsa and AttackeR to the team. Since then the TyLoo team have achieved much.

At the beginning of 2016 the team did a great job and we were moving along step by step. After that, we achieved many goals and TyLoo was satisfied with our achievement. More importantly we felt the distance to our dream was closing. During this pursuit we didn't ask more from the TyLoo organization while making every effort to work hard and improve. Before we signed the contract, TyLoo management promised us a lot, but it was never in any in contract. Still, most promises haven't been realized. We had trust in TyLoo so we didn't consider a possible dispute. We signed contracts. Later when we reached our bottleneck, specifically at the time when we were about to go to the US for the Major Qualifier, we talked to management a little about changing the roster. After the Major Qualifier Kindy said to me he was disappointed in Mo and may have to replace him. The new roster would include Karsa instead of Mo. This decision was made by all of TyLoo's management and team. At that point everyone was satisfied with this and promised to keep working.

After returning from the US our contracts were about to end so we started a talk with TyLoo about salaries and other treatments to see whether there would be a chance to increase it. But unexpectedly, the talk, which I think is absolutely normal, led to many disputes and unhappiness from the TyLoo management. Probably the TyLoo management started to feel the possibility that we will leave TyLoo if they didn't increase our salary. They planned on other ways to make us stay, like by buying someone or a couple of us. Previously we were a whole entity, and that was why we won a lot. However, after many wins, we became divided somehow. Now it finally ended with three of us being banned. I'm absolutely sure that this guy, who was offered money like me, used to stand beside us. The reason he betrayed us was that JasonP had a talk with us and he promised both of us a better treatment than the rest of the teammates if we kept it from them. JasonP knew if we (DD and I) stayed, the whole team would stay. We were a brotherhood and that is how we would keep improving. However, I was feeling disgusting about keeping this from my teammates. I didn't want to hurt my brothers by accepting a higher salary. We have been a team and brothers for a long time, inside and outside the game. I can't live with keeping such a dirty secret while getting more money. If the secret leaked, our team would be hurt way more seriously. At that point I stood to lose five friends. So I told others about the talk, and asked JasonP to offer us money evenly. JasonP refused my request. Since then, things started to spiral downards. Since JasonP failed to deal with me, he turned to somebody, and he failed again because he was on my side. What AttackeR posted on Weibo is what we are holding on to, "we just want to play with brothers."

JasonP told us "the salaries can't be even, this is an esport club." During the last meeting he said "if you guys want to stay and pursue your dream, I'll cooperate with you guys fully. If you want more, it's okay to form a team by yourselves or head to other organizations. We can part ways without bad words. I won't stay in your way and will wish you guys my best." After this, we began to rethink our decision. But considering the way JasonP conducted business we were afraid of what he might do, "kidnapping us by contract." We asked if a few clauses in the contract could be modified, and JasonP agreed. Considering all the things he promised at the start of the year, which never panned out, we decided to start an org and form a team on our own.

After that day we didn't ask for more but planned on how we can play our best in the next tournaments until our contracts end, so that we will finish our duty. A few days later, JasonP talked to Karsa, somebody, and AttackeR to persuade them to stay by promising to keep the current roster unchanged. After a long discuss among us, again, we changed our minds. However, surprisingly, only one night later, we got to know that TyLoo was going to sign HZ (previously playing for AG), which meant JasonP lied to us again. We decided we wouldn't trust him anymore. One day he said the roster would stay the same and the next day he would change it. We couldn't take this anymore.

During the last meeting we had with JasonP at 5E, everything turned black. They decided to ban us claiming that we contacted other organizations under our contracts, damaging TyLoo's business. I'm certain we didn't break any rules. We just lost trust in our org. Our shareholders were just turning us into a profit-earning machine. We were drifting away from our dream and our goals. What I am certainly sure about is the reason we decided to leave TyLoo—because we are feeling hopeless here. And we informed our shareholders and management about our decision. We didn't sign any contract with other orgs during the time contracted to TyLoo. We didn't leave. What we were thinking was to keep playing our best for TyLoo. Moreover, we promised to play the tournament after our contracts expired (DreamHack Masters Las Vegas) and do our best to make the leaving process amicable. However, TyLoo banded with Chinese tournament organizers to ban us from attending their matches, even after our contracts expire. This is absolutely ridiculous! The reason they banned us, TyLoo claimed, is that we'll damage their profit by leaving the team while TyLoo has other contracts, which are longer than ours, with sponsors. This makes no sense. Relations between org and sponsors have nothing to do with relations between players and orgs. We are feeling really wronged. We have been victims for no reason. We really look forward to being freed. It is absolutely unfair that an esports club colluded with tournaments to ban players. This is bullying.

Lastly, I heard JasonP's abuse directed at me during our last meeting. I was very upset. TyLoo's achievement throughout the whole year all came from our tireless efforts. We did nothing to damage TyLoo. What we were thinking was to get a deal, be it staying or leaving amicable, and a peaceful agreement. TyLoo banned us from CS:GO for leaving their organization, they wanted the only way to play CS:GO for us to have been staying in TyLoo. In the announcement by TyLoo, they claimed that I personally tried to persuade other teammates to leave TyLoo. I have to respond that I never did this. Now everything has made me lose faith in TyLoo. Nice words and promises are just means to cosy up to players. Within the contract, they can and will do everything unfair to us.

I just want to go back to our original dream and find how Chinese CS:GO can give us more passion."

This statement was written in Chinese and translated into English.

BenjaCS is a staff writer at HLTV.org and can be found on Twitter.

China YuLun 'fancy1' Cai
YuLun 'fancy1' Cai
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.16
Maps played:
450
KPR:
0.78
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.15
China QiFang 'Karsa' Su
QiFang 'Karsa' Su
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.98
Maps played:
173
KPR:
0.63
DPR:
0.62
APR:
0.15
China YuanZhang 'AttackeR' Sheng
YuanZhang 'AttackeR' Sheng
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.14
Maps played:
452
KPR:
0.79
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.16
China HaoWen 'somebody' Xu
HaoWen 'somebody' Xu
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.11
Maps played:
458
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.14
#1
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Ecuador PartisanGrill 
My favourite player, :c
2017-01-11 17:26
#92
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Turkey darkh1ous 
+
2017-01-11 18:05
Everyone who treats this like a scandal is straight up retarded this shit happens on a daily basis. The only scandal is this Tyloo organization.
2017-01-12 13:11
#252
gas | 
Korea kaiske 
+1
2017-01-12 13:52
#3
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Turkey ThoriGod 
oh you certainly did fancy1
2017-01-11 17:26
#61
Nisei | 
United States kooster 
How!?!?!? You didn't even fucking read the statement did you?
2017-01-11 17:47
#69
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Turkey ThoriGod 
the easiest way for a player to get out of a situation like this is to blame the organization about how they are money-hungry monsters and how the players don't give a fuck about money and they only pursue their dreams about being the best etc. It's just too much cliché in one statement for it to be believable. Sorry my angry chinese friend!
2017-01-11 17:49
#75
Nisei | 
United States kooster 
Assuming Fancy is telling the truth. The Org lying about roster changes and payment is bad enough, but for them to act like little fucking babies and ban them from competing in Chinese tournaments is so FUCKED. THEY'RE FUCKING ESL BANNED.
2017-01-11 17:52
#82
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Turkey ThoriGod 
I'd say it is ESL's fault as much as Tyloo's fault since they are the ones who instantly decided to ban people without listening to them just because the org wanted. Although I agree it is pretty FUCKED for the players.
2017-01-11 17:55
the players did nothing illegal, the chinee cartels did every fucked up thing
2017-01-11 18:09
#168
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France Fran6k1D 
There's a different mentality in China, you can't compare. Also fuck Tyloo even tho no Tyloo stickers anymore :(
2017-01-11 19:41
Dude dont listen to this Turkish cockroach they have a reputation for a reason
2017-01-12 06:11
You sure dont know much about eSport in China.:)
2017-01-11 18:05
#114
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Mongolia thechapchap 
Its like mafia or some othershit ?
2017-01-11 18:18
They have very strict contracts, and they dont treat their players nice if they dont do exactly what they are told or expected of them. :)
2017-01-11 21:23
#122
shox | 
Bangladesh Ploxzz 
+111111
2017-01-11 18:27
Chinese capitalism is a vicious beast my friend, maybe if we were talking about NA or Euro org, then sure, but this is completely possible talking about chinese org
2017-01-11 19:45
#236
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World lalt 
Now, finally, we have one version of what happened: "TyLoo banded with Chinese tournament organizers to ban us from attending their matches, even after our contracts expire. This is absolutely ridiculous! The reason they banned us, TyLoo claimed, is that we'll damage their profit by leaving the team while TyLoo has other contracts, which are longer than ours, with sponsors." So, that's how ESL, WESG and TyLoo do business..
2017-01-12 07:23
#6
EliGE | 
Argentina juanme555 
expected
2017-01-11 17:26
bait fancy
2017-01-11 17:27
Holy shit, this is some serious shit going on here. JasonP manipulated the players to go against each other using a typical machiavellian strategy(google it). What a dirtbag.
2017-01-11 17:35
#18
n2g | 
United States n2g 
Time to sign for CyberZen and make them #1 in China
2017-01-11 17:26
CyberZen won't sign him as long as his ban still remains. In the article he says its staying past their contracts with Tyloo due to sponsorship deals Tyloo holds, which is bullshit.
2017-01-11 17:40
#47
n2g | 
United States n2g 
Fancy's contract ends end of feb so he should replace advent tbh so he is fine
2017-01-11 17:42
Did you read what i wrote? Their bans with ESL, WESG, etc continue on past their contract expiry with Tyloo. CyberZen will not sign a player that cannot participate in events with them.
2017-01-11 17:44
#67
n2g | 
United States n2g 
Surely it wouldn't be permanent, everybody knows there is always talk happening amongst teams, that's even more ridiculous than ibuypower being banned for 2 years when dota players are only banned for 1
2017-01-11 17:48
It won't be permanent, no, but we do not know how long Tyloo are in this sponsorship deal for. If it is, for example, a 5 year contract, they could find themselves banned for 5 years, unless ESL, WESG, etc decide to revoke the decision to ban them in the first place (Which i believe is likely to happen, given time) Also, only Solo was banned for 1 year. Any matchfixers caught since have been permanently banned.
2017-01-11 17:51
"..That, however, does not mean that the players will remain banned from participating in all mentioned events until their contracts expire, but until the conflict is resolved." from the earlier tyloo post
2017-01-11 17:50
This is true, yes, but i personally feel it is more likely that we will see ESL, WESG, etc lift the bans themselves after they see the public outcry regarding the bans in the first place. Tyloo and fancy1,Attacker,Karsa are all on pretty bad terms and are likely to stay on such, especially now that fancy has delivered this statement providing the truth of the situation.
2017-01-11 17:53
i dont get it. #71 and the news before said that they cant attend events under tyloo's name. so it means that they can attend tournaments with different teams right? if that happens, i'd like to see him joining cyberzen since cyberzen is the best team in china atm.
2017-01-11 18:29
Im more willing to trust in fancy1's comment on the statement, given hes gone into great detail regarding it and has put forward direct evidence of the Tyloo staff lying in the past.
2017-01-11 20:58
#65
fancy1 | 
Montenegro Winter1 
gonna be hard if they're banned ;_;
2017-01-11 17:47
tldr?
2017-01-11 17:27
#33
ISK | 
Brazil shagzter! 
he got kicked and explained the situation
2017-01-11 17:31
thx bro I was dont know this details
2017-01-11 17:38
#90
ISK | 
Brazil shagzter! 
np neither was i dont know this details
2017-01-11 18:05
#163
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United States MAY0 
The english is kinda bad but from what I understand Tyloo's biggest shareholder is JasonP who offered the players many benefits and upgrades to what they had before in Tyloo The players saw themselves as a brotherhood and did not care about money and practiced day and night to get where they are When contracts were about to end the players requested a salary increase Tyloo org feared that the players would leave them if they did not increase salary JasonP offered fancy1 and DD a salary increase because they had the most influence on the team Fancy refused because he wanted equal treatment They decided they were going to leave and make their own team and org but play with tyloo until their contracts ended (in february I think) JasonP and the bigwig dudes told them that they damaged the org and the sponsors and they were banned from tyloo and convinced chinese tournament orgs to ban them as well
2017-01-11 19:30
#23
United States BanU 
yawn
2017-01-11 17:27
LuL 109210 miles of statement
2017-01-11 17:28
#30
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Italy Div-\ 
GL to fancy1 and the other guys. Really sad to see an org being like this.
2017-01-11 17:30
#39
Norway Lykd 
:(
2017-01-11 17:35
This is appalling. Best of luck to fancy and the others.
2017-01-11 17:37
Now Tyloo will loose profit, not back then. GL fancy1!
2017-01-11 17:40
Typical chinese organizations
2017-01-11 17:41
#57
Nisei | 
United States kooster 
/ignore firefoxmccrash
2017-01-11 17:46
Now you cannot see me posting sexy images of koosta. Your loss
2017-01-11 17:47
#46
ayriks | 
Taiwan FAnCA 
Can this ban somehow effect these guys by getting visas to US or smth? I mean, if TyLoo is such a strong force in Chineese e-sports, it could effect and guy names could be in some black list lol? Best of luck, i hope u will get a new and good home
2017-01-11 17:41
They won't be blacklisted from receiving a VISA because an eSports organization wants to ban them from events lmao
2017-01-11 17:47
so tyloo still has to pay them salary, atleast till the contract ends.
2017-01-11 17:42
#50
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France p2l 
And ESL is complicit in this mess... shame on them
2017-01-11 17:44
ofc they are, pea is better
2017-01-11 18:12
#174
mouz | 
Poland M41K3L 
+1 wtf
2017-01-11 19:47
#52
Nisei | 
United States kooster 
Holy shit fuck the tyloo org LMAO
2017-01-11 17:44
If this in true, that's fucking sad, and shame on Tyloo
2017-01-11 17:45
#56
bENNY | 
Europe Naitee 
damn I feel sorry for them. I hope they can find a nice organization soon.
2017-01-11 17:45
China democracy model was exported to esport. Feelsbadman
2017-01-11 17:46
#59
draken | 
Singapore Seanzzz 
this guy... really deserves respect, hats off to you fancy1, asia scene has been insignificant but glad there's still upright people like youself.
2017-01-11 17:46
+1
2017-01-12 16:13
+1
2017-01-13 09:46
w0w. If this is true I lost all support and hope on the org of TyLoo. This is why eSports needs an player union. I feel sorry for them... But fight. No dreams ever came by just feeling setbacks. Its by conquering your setbacks that you achive your dreams
2017-01-11 17:47
SO JASON IS THE "BAD GUY" HERE
2017-01-11 17:47
This is a bullying us. sadly esports is corrupt. gl to all the player banned, may you participate in csgo turnaments again
2017-01-11 17:47
china mafia
2017-01-11 17:48
#70
Nisei | 
United States kooster 
Holy shit i feel so bad for fancy, wtf. This is actually awful.
2017-01-11 17:49
#74
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Switzerland Jubei 
+1 fancy1
2017-01-11 17:51
somebody at ESL should explain why they got banned, I dont care about chinese event organizers but ESL atleast should explain
2017-01-11 17:53
#79
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United States NoriZ 
"What TyLoo did is if we leave Tyloo, they will make us eternally away from CS:GO; the only way to play CS:GO is to stay in Tyloo." How can something like this even happen?! I'm stunned.
2017-01-11 17:54
#103
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Poland Zobbe 
its china evetything can happen there
2017-01-11 18:12
Tyloo shit org
2017-01-11 17:54
damn, that's rough shit gl fancy1
2017-01-11 17:54
fancy1, the Chinese CS GO phenom, what an incredible talent when he first appeared in the Chinese pro scene fancy1, died for Chinese CS GO. Respect!
2017-01-11 17:56
damn this jasonp guy should be lynched... i hope these guys get unbanned
2017-01-11 17:56
It's a great chance to break the Chinese dryout, him and savage will get china to top again!
2017-01-11 18:00
Dignatas pick these guys up and move them to europe :(
2017-01-11 18:01
#91
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Mongolia thechapchap 
This is how chinese things works
2017-01-11 18:05
#108
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Faroe Islands shubaNNN 
that's actually true lol
2017-01-11 18:13
[*]
2017-01-11 18:07
didint deserved for rekt!!1 :()
2017-01-11 18:07
fuck orgs and moneymakers, freedom to all players, those guys talent will take them places!!
2017-01-11 18:09
#104
ReDWateR | 
United Kingdom Runt 
respect for standing up for his morals and not just falling for the money pit, hope fancy can find a team soon <3
2017-01-11 18:12
#105
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Faroe Islands shubaNNN 
Fuck Tyloo, typical China shit company.
2017-01-11 18:12
#109
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United Kingdom trtr098 
Should've accepted that 20X salary and formed a Chinese superteam. Edit: #Freefancy1 #FreeAttacker #FreeKarsa #FuckJasonP
2017-01-11 18:17
#110
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Germany ConAction 
JasonP ......
2017-01-11 18:15
Tyloo Good TEAM
2017-01-11 18:16
Don't forget the cannoli.
2017-01-11 18:19
#117
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Mongolia thechapchap 
2017 gonne be hard time for tyloo org kk :) goodluck with captian mo tho
2017-01-11 18:20
scamaz
2017-01-11 18:24
too long didnt read
2017-01-11 18:27
takes 5 minutes to read, my honk gong friend, that's 0.3472% of a day.
2017-01-11 19:42
well for me, it takes 15min even tho i,ve read the chinese version
2017-01-12 02:35
#124
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Japan SleepSpeed 
What a fucked-up org TyLoo is.
2017-01-11 18:30
stopped reading at "Before that, TyLoo had been out of champions for a long time." This stupid punk boasts about a national championship.
2017-01-11 18:31
He's talking about how TyLoo hasn't won since the CS 1.6/Source days...
2017-01-11 23:03
stay strong guys! "baby don't cry, you gotta keep your head up even road is hard never give up" (c) 2Pac
2017-01-11 18:31
#139
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Armenia HaRRyarm 
yo
2017-01-11 18:45
#127
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Azerbaijan M1R4CL3 
sad story :)
2017-01-11 18:32
Who the hell is this JasonP?? But fuck him already
2017-01-11 18:33
#130
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China Purplewind 
According to the original Chinese version of fancy1's statement, JasonP is the owner of TyLoo and 5Eplay, which is Chinese version of ESEA.
2017-01-11 18:42
well top shareholder so he has the most power at least
2017-01-11 23:04
5e&#65309;5eplay&#65291;5ewin, its not just an ESEA but also some kind of HLTV
2017-01-12 02:37
#132
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Europe crittentao 
#fucktyloo #fuckjasonp good luck to fancy1 and others. this is such a bullshit
2017-01-11 18:43
#FuckTylul
2017-01-11 18:43
#134
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United States ^mac^ 
#freefanc1 #freeattacker #freekarsa
2017-01-11 18:43
So Mo and DD will leave to play with their friends? Or they will stay on tyloo just because they are afraid of ban?
2017-01-11 18:44
it means dd betrayed fancy but mo, he didnt even get involved in this mess becoz he was suppose to be kicked at 1st
2017-01-12 02:39
That's shit :/ those guys started so good when they first made the team
2017-01-12 08:22
Classic chinese esports.
2017-01-11 18:44
who the fuck is JasponP
2017-01-11 18:44
The Mongolz under tyloo ez
2017-01-11 18:45
#144
f0rest | 
Portugal KSED 
Cases like these are why a player union is needed. I hope they get out of this mess and achieve their goals.
2017-01-11 18:51
GG
2017-01-11 18:53
Fancy1 and AttackeR are innocent. Fuck JasonP. Fuck Tyloo.
2017-01-11 18:56
ez for Freakazoid
2017-01-11 19:01
#154
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Bahrain CRY_A_RIVER 
tl;dr
2017-01-11 19:09
SirScoots !
2017-01-11 19:13
#156
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United States regnant 
I'm from China and this is exactly the kind of behavior that you come to expect from Chinese companies. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of nice people who genuinely care about others, but there are also a lot of people there that are really desperate to make money and will do really shady stuff to get their way. I remember a few years ago, I was with my uncle at a mall parking lot in Shanghai, and a man jumped in front of his car. Then he preceded to claim that my uncle had hit him and that he would file a lawsuit if my uncle didn't pay him 10,000 yuan. Furthermore, he had a "stranger" (someone who he is in kahoots with) record the accident as proof of it occurring. In Beijing, there was this scandal in 2008 (I believe in 2008 at least) where select producers of the Beijing yogurt that Beijing was really famous for was made with the rubber from shoes. To this day, I'm not sure if I consumed shoe rubber. Also, less people bought yogurt because they were afraid of what was in the yogurt. Their social media is also really odd, to say the least. WeiBo is basically a monopoly in China. Almost everyone has it and there aren't other social media sites that are that popular (the once popular ones like qq can't really compete with WeiBo). They're like a Chinese Facebook because they spread a ton of fake news. The only difference is that almost everybody reads their fake news and believes in whatever it says, so WeiBo has a huge control over the population's opinions. I know it's not necessarily the company's fault that other people are releasing these shady articles, but they really need to regulate it better. The point is, a lot of corporations will do really scummy things to make a quick buck. What Tyloo did just hurts China's rep. To make matters worse, they managed to get these players banned. Shows the kind of corrupt power they have.
2017-01-11 19:17
Yes, I feel like many people reading this would think that the problem is just one individual, JasonP, being a scumbag, but it's really the entire society as a whole, specifically how corrupt and vicious China's capitalism is.
2017-01-11 19:34
#191
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Azerbaijan Talley 
Are you for real? China is a communist country.
2017-01-11 21:12
It has a capitalist economy for the most part. (since 1980s)
2017-01-11 23:05
#253
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Korea kaiske 
China is capitalist since 35y+
2017-01-12 13:58
#199
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United Kingdom trtr098 
so you just accepted capitalism is corrupt and communism is the only way forward
2017-01-11 22:06
no
2017-01-12 02:09
#238
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World lalt 
Anyone who have read all related HLTV-articles about this knows there is more than TyLoo involved: ESL, WESG and some smaller orgs all ganged against players for no reason.
2017-01-12 08:11
chinese slavery and communism
2017-01-12 13:44
#157
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Germany Bongskie 
too much didn't read
2017-01-11 19:15
#158
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Portugal Shion 
Expected from China. That shit is an uncovered dictatorship. Fancy1 will soon be erased from earth and the only way you can see him again is in Esl rebroadcast. RIP in piece my friend
2017-01-11 19:19
Lul
2017-01-11 19:21
wtf is this haha
2017-01-11 19:24
This is a bullying us
2017-01-11 19:38
TL;DR: They've lost a trust to org, because owner (JasonP) is a tricky liar
2017-01-11 19:29
ty, way tl;dr
2017-01-11 20:00
Shame on you TyLoosers! How can you try to manipulate players to this extend... This is beyond ridiculous.
2017-01-11 19:33
if real brothers , than everyone shouldn't be playing at wesg
2017-01-11 19:34
+1. You're a genuine piece of shit if you decide to still play for the team from which one of your 'friends' got kicked because he didn't want you to get unfairly treated. It's really disgusting they're still playing. Really, really disgusting.
2017-01-11 19:58
ye, you're right
2017-01-11 20:54
Worth reading it all^
2017-01-11 19:41
#171
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France Fran6k1D 
Tyloo sticker hype :( No moar
2017-01-11 19:43
Fancy is actually the best chinese player tbh
2017-01-11 19:46
#175
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United Kingdom FEodAL 
what a ridiculous situation, they should be free to leave, join, do whatever they want
2017-01-11 19:53
#177
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World neomax360 
I can understand that they fired him for professional reasons. But why he is banned from tournaments???
2017-01-11 19:58
This is Chinese scene man. you either work with me or noone
2017-01-11 20:29
rip [*]
2017-01-11 20:00
Yeah boi Now the whole world knows
2017-01-11 20:16
#183
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Portugal dracø 
"More seriously, we have been threatened and menaced, especially banned by TyLoo and other tournament organizers. All these measurements has been taken only because we planned not to extent our contract with TyLoo." I'm pretty sure this is not only wrong but actually illegal. You can't just force someone to resign a contract. This bans are a joke and I hope that tournament organizers stop sucking org's asses and do the right thing.
2017-01-11 20:25
#196
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United States lybrel 
union laws in China? i aren't think that
2017-01-11 21:45
#206
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Portugal dracø 
True enough. [*]
2017-01-11 22:48
Mad respect to Fancy1. Ban is ridiculous tho. I hope everything will be fine!! #FreeFancy1
2017-01-11 20:39
Huge respect to Fancy for releasing this, will hopefully raise some awareness <3
2017-01-11 20:46
same +1
2017-01-11 21:14
really hope they will be unbaned, wishing good luck
2017-01-11 20:55
#195
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Europe Tejmn 
CRY IS FREE
2017-01-11 21:44
he chose friendship over 20x more salary, that deserves respect
2017-01-11 21:46
not just friendship, tyloo cs is like the manchester united in football scene, its about faith and profesion, kindy is a trustive manager but the new shareholder, 5e' s jasonp, i dont know
2017-01-12 03:10
#198
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Brazil BuddyINSANE 
nice statement, stay strong buddy! deserve the unban! Just do it, We smart, we loyal, we friendly, we are from BRAZIL! Kreygasm
2017-01-11 21:49
Thats why CHINES's called dogeaters Doggy org curse them
2017-01-11 22:35
#201
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Brazil BuddyINSANE 
it's a suck! sad!
2017-01-11 22:36
i love ur comments
2017-01-11 23:03
#215
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Brazil BuddyINSANE 
thank you, we appreciate that buddy!
2017-01-11 23:29
#202
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Brazil wAc 
FAncy1, come to brazil and play here mate, u can make a team with me
2017-01-11 22:44
#203
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Germany Lennard 
Bs
2017-01-11 22:45
#204
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Korea Rohkoh 
I really hope fancy1 and co. get the treatment they deserve. Their passion to come back match after match displays their incredible resilience and motivation to better themselves. I really hope you guys get the justice you deserve in the future, CS:GO needs more Asian prominence. Good luck, guys!
2017-01-11 22:45
rofl JasonP is the new moriarty
2017-01-11 22:48
#207
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Sweden shirre 
God what a shitty thing to do by JasonP. I feel really sorry for fancy1 and the others. That lineup really needs to stick together imo! They are really good players and it would be sad if they would have to split up because of a stupid thing like this.
2017-01-11 22:49
#208
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Malta +EV Master 
Valve pls ban tyloo the org from every tournament!
2017-01-11 23:01
wtf
2017-01-11 23:30
there really needs to be a players union. too many orgs are trying to fuck over players
2017-01-11 23:55
Good luck fancy1, hope everything works out brother.
2017-01-12 00:36
Tyroo
2017-01-12 00:46
somehow im not surprice. china is so wierd. my uncle is chinese and he is so wierd also
2017-01-12 03:09
#228
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Japan mameloff 
rip #asianhope
2017-01-12 03:10
Reginald, jasonp, whos next
2017-01-12 03:24
Richard Lewis ripping into ESL and the other tournament organisers for standing by Tyloo and stabbing the players in the back : youtube.com/watch?v=WNEJBfZBPtQ
2017-01-12 03:44
Fuck ESL Fuck WESG Fuck Pro Gamer League Fuck WCA and Fuck JasonP lawyer up
2017-01-12 05:41
So now what happens to fancy1? i mean he is very talented and is one of my favorite players, i just want see more of his deagle headshots in future :)
2017-01-12 06:06
wait till his contract ends with tyloo, then he will sign somewhere else
2017-01-12 06:10
#237
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Germany ToxlC 
Rip china, bad at every game
2017-01-12 08:04
but you did :PogChamp:
2017-01-12 09:09
so talented and essential is fancy. sad to see him being in this fucked situation. and huge respect for him. tbh TyLoo is losing a lot, even more than those players. players will be free some day. But tyloo has lost two talented player and fucked its reputation.
2017-01-12 12:13
Rofl, Tyroo such a shit org.
2017-01-12 12:29
"Lastly, I heard JasonP's abuse directed at me during our last meeting." Actually there is detailed word said by JasonP in the chinese version. hard to translate to english though, its like "How can this stupid cunt still be sitting here, Why don't he just leave the fuck out of here?" shitty
2017-01-12 12:39
wow, thats so fucked up. i wonder how big is he in china since he can ban these players when he doesnt has right to do it. and how about the CN community out there towards tyloo and fancy1?
2017-01-12 13:30
"After i-League, we had our first contact with JasonP (shareholder of 5EPlay.com and 5Ewin.com), who later became the biggest shareholder in TyLoo." He can ban fancy because there is a close relationship between 5E,tyloo,PGL,WESG and more. This is just like jasonp had a call with them to talk about the ban and they all just agree with him. Actually now various voice in CN community cuz tyloo had some statement as well but still not put on hltv.org.
2017-01-12 14:54
what was tyloo said? i'm curious af hehe
2017-01-12 15:13
#245
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World Caine13 
FUCK THE PIECE OF SHIT ORG!
2017-01-12 13:23
OK. now the ORG has a right to ban players from attending tournaments? Fucking commies
2017-01-12 13:37
#248
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Singapore brotato!! 
typical chinese shit, gl fancy and the rest
2017-01-12 13:40
#249
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Turkey vortex1g 
tyLOL
2017-01-12 13:41
#254
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Korea kaiske 
jasonP destroy his own business image here,stupid shareholding
2017-01-12 14:01
#255
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Albania resick 
This is sad for fancy1.
2017-01-12 14:40
I want to add,jasonp is the current boss of "tyloo"&#65292;during the period of the cs1.6,Wang is the boss of tyloo,he likes cs1.6,he set up TyLoo club,with the decline of cs1.6,he withdrew from the club,so that's why TyLoo changed logo in 2016,this is done to make the club logo different from his company logo&#65292;if you observe it carefully,the original logo is different from the current one.on the surface "TyLoo" is no different from the past but it has changed a lot,different bosses&#65292;different...,so it isn't surprising that such problems arise.
2017-01-12 15:05
#260
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Indonesia YAYE 
what happened to Kindy?
2017-01-12 16:10
ESL - industry leader of supporting players slavery
2017-01-12 16:27
If you can read Chinese, go and read what Kindy (tyloo management) said. That's a totally different story. weibo.com/ttarticle/p/show?id=2309404063..
2017-01-12 16:57
who knows whose story is right, but what I do know is that no player deserves to be banned outright from the game in his whole country from trying to form a new better team when his contract is ending soon. That alone will tell you who are the shady fuckers here
2017-01-13 09:52
#264
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Canada KawaiiKai 
so sad that this is practically the Chinese way at this point. Over work under pay
2017-01-12 18:03
tl;dr anyone?
2017-01-12 19:38
boo tyloo
2017-01-15 01:32
very unfair, also was so close to the major that not many players and people cared now that major is over hopefully something can be done about this
2017-01-30 04:51
Nah. Nobody cares about the Chinese scene sadly...
2017-02-16 01:46
#271
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Switzerland GoTMedicine 
Tuck Fyloo
2017-02-16 01:22
how much?
2017-02-16 01:23
Did you not read anything?
2017-02-16 02:19
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