ESL One & EPL VAC rules changed

ESL has introduced changes to its rules related to VAC banned players and will now bar players from competing in its standalone tournaments only if the ban has happened in the past two years.

The rule, which was formerly used in lower tier ESL and ESEA competitions such as ESEA Premier (where we saw Simeon "dream3r" Ganev compete and ultimately win the Global Challenge LAN), will now be added to ESL's top tier competitions: IEM, ESL One and ESL Pro League from Season 6.


Players such as KQLY will now be able to compete in ESL events 

The new rule, which will debut at IEM Sydney, can be found in the IEM Season 12 rulebook under "2.5 Publisher or ESIC Bans":

"CSGO VAC bans are specifically honored, but only until 2 years after they have been issued."

After reaching out to ESL, the tournament organizer has confirmed that the same rule will be used at future IEM and ESL One tournaments, as well as in Pro League from next season. The only exception to the rule will still be Valve-supported tournaments, such as the Majors.

This now means that players like Joel "emilio" Mako, dream3r, Hovik "KQLY" Tovmassian, Gordon "Sf" Giry and Anil "cLy" Gülec will get another chance to compete at the highest level of CS. Players who have been banned for match-fixing do not fall under this rule, however, and will remain suspended indefinitely. 

Professeur writes for HLTV.org and can be found on Twitter.

Sweden Joel 'emilio' Mako
Joel 'emilio' Mako
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
152
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.15
France Gordon 'Sf' Giry
Gordon 'Sf' Giry
Age:
27
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.99
Maps played:
183
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.14
France Hovik 'KQLY' Tovmassian
Hovik 'KQLY' Tovmassian
Age:
29
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
250
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.12
Bulgaria Simeon 'dream3r' Ganev
Simeon 'dream3r' Ganev
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.14
Maps played:
715
KPR:
0.76
DPR:
0.61
APR:
0.13
Germany Anil 'cLy' Gülec
Anil 'cLy' Gülec
Age:
-
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.18
Maps played:
107
KPR:
0.80
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.17
#2
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United Kingdom voxhyy 
OMFG KQLY BACK!!
2017-03-23 18:51
#77
Gux | 
Sweden EczeL  
KQLY BACK? No... KQLY BACK? No...
2017-03-23 18:52
Seriously? nooo ...
2017-03-23 18:55
#162
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India Cutlass 
Are you fucking serious in my eyes?
2017-03-23 19:02
#177
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Bulgaria _Jonathan_e 
noooo....
2017-03-23 19:05
Seriously?... no....
2017-03-23 19:19
KQLY!? Who cares, swag, steel, and dazed are back dude!!! Maybe now NA has a chance at some titles, I am so friggin happy. swag steel autimatic stewie2k rush
2017-03-23 19:23
Are you baiting dude?
2017-03-23 19:24
Rip
2017-03-23 19:34
Actually would be a boss team tho
2017-03-24 10:43
learn to read... "Players who have been banned for match-fixing do not fall under this rule, however, and will remain suspended indefinitely. "
2017-03-24 13:16
#432
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United States nytsuAcsgo 
swag, steel, and DaZeD were banned for matchfixing, "Players who have been banned for match-fixing do not fall under this rule, however, and will remain suspended indefinitely." CLearly says they will not be unbanned.
2017-03-24 13:44
#440
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Netherlands [Np]KNz 
si-ri-ous-ly ?
2017-03-24 23:00
#421
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Lithuania Woozylul 
But what about Players who did not cheat only threw one game for money ?
2017-03-24 09:29
Players who have been banned for match-fixing do not fall under this rule, however, and will remain suspended indefinitely.
2017-03-25 10:35
kqly vac unbanned?
2017-03-23 18:50
#56
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Afghanistan crywolf1337 
nooooooooo bitches hes back!!!!!!!
2017-03-23 18:52
#67
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Brazil coldzao2 
seriously? yeees, seriously? yeees, seriously? yeees
2017-03-23 18:52
#156
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Israel Stryger 
Srsly? Nooo
2017-03-23 19:01
#5
Denmark ndg 
KQLY UNBANNED HOLY FAK EZ FOR KQLY -BODY +KQLY
2017-03-23 18:51
#68
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United States No5712 
would also be lit
2017-03-23 18:52
but kqly not allowed to play major so yeah major tournament still better achievement than esl tournament am i rite?
2017-03-23 22:39
vac
2017-03-23 18:51
#8
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Poland Kagor 
n1
2017-03-23 18:50
#9
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Faroe Islands LIVING_MEME 
"Players who have been banned for match-fixing do not fall under this rule, however, and will remain suspended indefinitely. " Bible Thump
2017-03-23 18:52
what about swag ?
2017-03-23 18:51
#62
oskar | 
Czech Republic Lukooo 
is he vac banned?
2017-03-23 18:52
because of that throw yes he's
2017-03-23 18:52
#95
oskar | 
Czech Republic Lukooo 
ok so again is he VAC banned?
2017-03-23 18:54
its not from the throw
2017-03-23 19:06
#430
oskar | 
Czech Republic Lukooo 
thats not csgo ban
2017-03-24 13:16
#81
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United States DeasT! 
I was thinking the same thing, but match fixing is why the ex-iBP squad won't be coming back to the scene
2017-03-23 18:53
#85
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North America ksp52 
sadly nothing for the matchfixers
2017-03-23 18:53
so cheaters can play but matchfixers are banned forever ? #valvelogic
2017-03-23 18:55
nice bait
2017-03-23 19:05
#444
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United States lumpy seal 
Cheating worse than match fixing. At least the match fixers earned their spots honestly.
2017-03-25 03:10
Valve didnt unban anyone
2017-03-23 19:12
I like your name
2017-03-23 18:56
#12
Monkey | 
Poland vexq 
HeheXd
2017-03-23 18:51
ez
2017-03-23 18:50
#15
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Ukraine vrbcs 
cool
2017-03-23 18:50
oh shit ' will now bar players from competing in its competitions only if the ban has happened in the past two years. ' + this is bullshit. VAC BANNED people can play but those who were banned for match fixing are still banned?
2017-03-23 18:52
i know its sad :(
2017-03-23 18:57
Should be the opposite
2017-03-23 19:18
gj...
2017-03-23 18:51
#18
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Sweden BubbaKush 
ayy
2017-03-23 18:50
#19
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Russia AyvaN 
KQLY IS BACK!
2017-03-23 18:51
#20
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Finland terquie 
nice i take ban now
2017-03-23 18:50
#21
tarik | 
Yugoslavia bleaq 
KQLV UNBANNED
2017-03-23 18:50
#22
NiKo | 
CIS swikzie 
ez kqly
2017-03-23 18:50
#23
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Belarus Sumerechniy 
LOL
2017-03-23 18:51
#24
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Brazil Gunzel 
wow
2017-03-23 18:51
crazy
2017-03-23 18:51
looooool
2017-03-23 18:51
#27
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Argentina roulettesoad 
KQLY is back 4Head
2017-03-23 18:51
KQLY IS BACK
2017-03-23 18:51
#29
JW | 
Netherlands HOI123 
valve logic. cheating is okay, throwing a match is not okay.
2017-03-23 18:51
#73
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Sweden Trojka03 
It has nothing to do with Valve, it's an ESL ruling. Notice how this rule change came after ESL lost Cologne as a major (and Katowice). I don't think we'll see ESL majors for a while.
2017-03-23 18:52
volvo punishing them for wanting exclusivity :)
2017-03-23 19:57
+1 lmao,makes no sense
2017-03-23 18:53
#228
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Slovakia TatKo 
Your logic is even better bro
2017-03-23 19:15
cant tell if youre trolling or just the typical hltv retard
2017-03-24 09:03
#445
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United States lumpy seal 
You think cheating is better than throwing lol??? Cheaters don't even DESERVE to play at the top tier because they're not good enough and couldn't be there without cheats. Throwers at least earned their way to the top with their skill and dedication, but made a stupid decision to throw a match. Not even comparably close. Cheating is far worse than throwing.
2017-03-25 03:12
what the fuck are you on about, i never said anything about that. i said the guy is a retard because he blames valve when this has nothing to do with valve, they did not make this decision.
2017-03-27 10:11
#450
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United States lumpy seal 
I am on about that booty
2017-03-28 20:05
kqly unbanned
2017-03-23 18:51
#31
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Sweden Trojka03 
WB KQLY
2017-03-23 18:51
" Players who have been banned for match-fixing do not fall under this rule, however, and will remain suspended indefinitely. " Cheaters can play, but not them, okay...
2017-03-23 18:51
#76
tarik | 
Yugoslavia bleaq 
volvo being volvo
2017-03-23 18:52
#159
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World mackzim 
its not a volvo thing, this changes are being made by esl these players cant participate in any valve supported event
2017-03-23 19:01
valve didnt make this decision
2017-03-23 19:05
#188
tarik | 
Yugoslavia bleaq 
yeah, my bad
2017-03-23 19:06
yeah, thats why esports are joke and will never be valued like normal sports
2017-03-23 18:53
+1
2017-03-23 18:55
#115
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Estonia swag420weed 
Like in normal sports. Doping=2year van. Throwing football match=lifelong ban.
2017-03-23 18:55
#173
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Guatemala KlassiKer 
Still retarded af
2017-03-23 19:05
#245
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Estonia swag420weed 
Intentionally losing is worse....
2017-03-23 19:20
#321
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Bulgaria mango_csgo 
No it is not. If you throw intentionally, that is the worst thing you can do. The lowest of the lowest. They deserve permanent bans
2017-03-23 20:26
#426
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Portugal mrsc 
dont think sports logic apllies here. imo cheating in cs is much worse than cheating in football for example. while using doping does give you an advantage it can never outclass your natural habilites (dont know if i made myself clear here). on the other hand using wh or aimbot will give you an edge on skills you wouldnt possess by your own not only that but when youre cheating in fps youre basically taking control of a lot of variables while in sports doping will only favor the physical side of stuff, not the technical one (which in football or basketball holds the same or even more importance) tldr: esports arent comparable to real sports when it comes to sanctions
2017-03-24 11:53
Wise words, agree
2017-03-27 14:46
not like any of them will ever play in IEM or EPL
2017-03-23 18:51
niceeee
2017-03-23 18:51
WELCOME BACK SWAG
2017-03-23 18:51
#37
United States Acw 
EZ
2017-03-23 18:51
#38
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Germany liddeb0b 
good choice
2017-03-23 18:51
#39
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Switzerland TyRRRR 
HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK AND FXYO DIDNT GET UNBANNED WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK
2017-03-23 18:51
Wtf lol
2017-03-23 18:51
#41
Denmark DMGZ 
Welcome back mupzG <3
2017-03-23 18:51
kqly on lan finally
2017-03-23 18:51
Xdddd
2017-03-23 18:51
KQLY KS BACK BOIIS
2017-03-23 18:51
#46
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United States No5712 
KQLY to replace xms? xd
2017-03-23 18:51
#192
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Europe Instabait 
nV try to qualify for major so ...
2017-03-23 19:07
No chance doing anything at the major tho just a 0-3 record in swiss system or 0-2 in other
2017-03-23 20:04
#361
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Europe Instabait 
Nevermin they wont take player who cant even play at qual
2017-03-23 21:26
but a team like LDLC fools don't have a chance to even getting t3 at the minor
2017-03-23 21:39
#371
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Europe Instabait 
LDLC why not ...
2017-03-23 21:50
#48
wrath | 
World XRAy1999 
KQLY IS BAACK
2017-03-23 18:51
#49
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Korea 2814 
Cool now let the IBP guys compete
2017-03-23 18:51
#50
Monkey | 
Poland vexq 
yea unban cheaters but don't ppl who weren't XD
2017-03-23 18:51
pls ibp
2017-03-23 18:51
cheat at tier 1 get banned come back cs scene in a nutshell
2017-03-23 18:51
#53
North America Oakz 
KQLY
2017-03-23 18:52
nice
2017-03-23 18:52
rip DaZeD
2017-03-23 18:52
KQLY TO ENVYUS -xms
2017-03-23 18:52
OMG KQLY UNBANNED
2017-03-23 18:52
This is great. Such in other sports. Doping dosent ban you permenantly, but beeing vacced did.
2017-03-23 18:52
#87
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Sweden TutsiGOD 
so throwing is permanent? thats stupid
2017-03-23 18:53
What do you mean? Throwing shouldn´t be permenent either. If you reffering on IBP
2017-03-23 18:59
lul
2017-03-23 18:52
#61
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Europe FazetoGardian 
so cheating on game get less punishment than throwing for skin i got it
2017-03-23 18:52
#63
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Palestine hevCS 
Unban ibp
2017-03-23 18:52
#64
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United States LeafyIsHere 
If you give cheaters another chance, you better unban ex-iBP!
2017-03-23 18:52
#65
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Uruguay Faq^v^ 
KQLY UNBANNED AND IBP NOT, CSGO LOGIC
2017-03-23 18:52
#66
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Sweden TutsiGOD 
how stupid
2017-03-23 18:52
#69
Slovenia yack 
Yes don't ban the people that are cheating like crazy and now even let the people that cheated in the past play again. Beautiful
2017-03-23 18:52
KQLY will be back.
2017-03-23 18:52
#75
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Moldova OptimusBlyad 
KQLY STYLE AGAIN MAYBE xddddddddd?
2017-03-23 18:52
#88
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Moldova OptimusBlyad 
BUT WHAT STILL NO IBP KAPPA
2017-03-23 18:53
#80
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Turkey Ilairon 
Cheating>Scamming xd
2017-03-23 18:53
kick_esl_ffs
2017-03-23 18:53
#83
hippien | 
New Zealand TEEZY 
>unbanned VAC-banned players >ex-iBP still banned nice gj csgo
2017-03-23 19:02
nothing to do with valve
2017-03-23 18:59
#161
hippien | 
New Zealand TEEZY 
yeah i know i just had a fail
2017-03-23 19:02
but still its sad that esl wont unban matchfixers :(
2017-03-23 19:05
#176
hippien | 
New Zealand TEEZY 
true +1
2017-03-23 19:05
#FREESWAG #FREEFXY0
2017-03-23 18:53
#86
neeve | 
Portugal neeve 
So people who threw a match YEARS ago can't compete in any of these competitions but cheaters can? Alright.
2017-03-23 18:53
+1
2017-03-23 18:58
#89
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Poland sajlent 
only esl events which mean max 2-3 events per year doesn't change anything
2017-03-23 18:53
#103
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North America ksp52 
yeah and the vac banned players still can't play in the major which is the most important.
2017-03-23 18:54
I think it is good idea. Lets give a change to players who made mistake's.
2017-03-23 18:53
I can see already the jump shots
2017-03-23 18:53
#93
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Germany Tunio 
Cheating is ok but match fixing is not?
2017-03-23 18:54
+1 this is getting retarded, should be the other way round
2017-03-23 18:56
swag still banned?
2017-03-23 18:54
#111
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Poland Redrumowy 
he throwed, not cheated anyway these are ESL rules only
2017-03-23 18:55
VAC bans are 100% accurate cheating punishments, and they let players who DEFINITELY cheated play after 2 years but fxy0, steel, brax, dazed etc are banned for life even though what they did is less significant imo
2017-03-23 18:54
this is the biggest bullshit ever i feel so bad for ibp
2017-03-23 18:54
DaZed, steel, swag, azk ub?
2017-03-23 18:54
#FREEIBP
2017-03-23 18:54
#102
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Denmark kaspeRztw 
They should do the same with matchfixing.
2017-03-23 18:54
#104
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Poland Redrumowy 
ibp fanboys butthurt incoming
2017-03-23 18:55
#105
f0rest | 
Estonia Rebae 
LETS GO KQLY
2017-03-23 18:55
What about new team full of ex-cheaters? :)
2017-03-23 18:55
WTF
2017-03-23 18:55
Players banned for cheating - yeah, ok compete. Players banned for match-fixing - UUU OOO BANS ARE PERMANENT DO NOT EVEN TRY #freepeoplefrommatchfixing
2017-03-23 18:55
GG TOWA
2017-03-23 18:55
"Players who have been banned for match-fixing do not fall under this rule, however, and will remain suspended indefinitely" #freeBrax
2017-03-23 18:55
Kukli unbanned :O
2017-03-23 18:56
#118
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Czech Republic thek!ng 
KQLY won't be back. These players can't compete on majors. They are useless
2017-03-23 18:56
Exactly, no top team will hire any of these players because they can't play in Valve sanctioned events
2017-03-23 19:00
#119
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Korea Damianlee 
Ok ESL proclaim that match-fixing is worse than cheating. This is a nice game really.
2017-03-23 18:56
#120
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Poland Marcines 
" Players who have been banned for match-fixing do not fall under this rule, however, and will remain suspended indefinitely. " LMAO Cheating>match-fixing nice logic
2017-03-23 18:56
they can actually create a new team aka TEAM VAC emilio dream3r KQLY Sf cLy
2017-03-23 18:56
XD
2017-03-23 20:09
they still cannot compete for majors regardless
2017-03-23 18:57
Doesn't matter. The amount of money that can be won around these major tournaments is still ridiculous.
2017-03-23 19:09
#397
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Bulgaria bUHALOVIC 
and how you gonna win them when nobody wants to play with you
2017-03-24 00:15
#126
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France cedd 
this is only ok if they unban ibp
2017-03-23 18:57
sad day
2017-03-23 18:57
YESSSSSSSSSSS KUKLYYYYYYYYY <3 <3 <3
2017-03-23 18:57
What the fuck.... unban ibp
2017-03-23 18:57
KQLY HYPE BOIZZZZZ
2017-03-23 18:57
#132
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Czech Republic MrM4sl0 
holy fuuuuuuuuck
2017-03-23 18:57
It would be epic if kqly, sf, emilio, cly makes a team
2017-03-23 18:57
#134
gas | 
Austria Phil_1337 
KQLY IS BACK
2017-03-23 18:58
Too bad for Sf cuz his second acc has been banned in less than a year :DD :D steamcommunity.com/id/thecommanSF
2017-03-23 18:58
-SIXER +KQLY TYYYYYY
2017-03-23 18:58
#138
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Brazil BuddyINSANE 
no way? they don't deserve! We smart, we loyal, we friendly, we are from BRAZIL! Kreygasm
2017-03-23 18:58
#139
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Poland ramones1 
LOL FREE IBP
2017-03-23 18:58
you think valve will be ok with this ?
2017-03-23 18:59
"The only exception to the rule will still be Valve-supported tournaments, such as the Majors."
2017-03-23 19:00
#186
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World mackzim 
the question remains esl not following valve rules after Cologne not getting major status do you think valve will be ok with this?
2017-03-23 19:06
>cheat in order to get money and bitches, <wild vac ban appears> >ohh its okay you'll be banned only for 2 years to try and cheat again gr8 logic
2017-03-23 18:59
#146
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Turkey BRUTALIXX 
cly holy shit
2017-03-23 19:00
top lul real cheates can play but swag can't
2017-03-23 19:00
and no unban for fucking throw? valve GTFO
2017-03-23 19:00
It's ESL rules, not Valve's ones.
2017-03-23 19:09
#FREEBRAX
2017-03-23 19:00
#152
Aerial | 
Finland iFatal 
This has no logic. How is an in-game cheater any better than some1 that cheated the system outside the game. ESL can obviously do what they want but i'd really give players like swag another chance if filthy cheaters like emilio can play again.
2017-03-23 19:00
it must be other way around..fck kqly,emilios,other fags get chance to play in bigger tournm,fxyo dazed steel swag still banned,..lost all respect for cs go,good job esl..stupidness of highest lvl..
2017-03-23 19:00
#158
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Sweden Donger89 
+1
2017-03-23 19:01
#154
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Belgium Axelele 
KQLY COMEBACK
2017-03-23 19:01
kwly should be banned from ever attending anything more than 1 euro tournament,banned from twitch,youtube,fck fagg
2017-03-23 19:03
Unban matchfixers if ur gonna let cheaters play
2017-03-23 19:01
Matchfixing getting a worse treatment than actually cheating to get a lot more of money AND not respecting their opponent & the fans... Also there was no rules for matchfixing when most of the matchfixers were banned while cheating to get an advantage on your opponent was always illegal and was severely treated. Which means you knew when cheating that if you got caught you will end up being banned. THEY KNEW IT ! And still cheated !(!) This is injustice at its best.
2017-03-23 19:02
Just to mention, fxy0 got 100€ from that matchfixing scandal... That fucking KQLY got Titan in a fucking weird situation disqualifying them FROM A FUCKING MAJOR, making them going from bad to worse. Not to mention he won a shit ton of money from cheating in tournaments...
2017-03-23 19:06
#164
device | 
Israel Aarod 
KQLY is back on the gear bois!
2017-03-23 19:02
2017-03-23 19:02
So cheating is okay but matchfixing isnt? Wow great call guys! This is the most retarded thing ive ever seen. Atleast make it the same for matchfixing/cheating, or just ban 4life
2017-03-23 19:03
Oh please KQLY if you're reading this, I fucking hope you find some players to attend the qualifiers with. Maybe you get lucky! GL KQLY!
2017-03-23 19:03
ROFL
2017-03-23 19:08
Holy shit im back baby
2017-03-23 19:03
#174
autist | 
Latvia ploxyS 
MATCH FIXERS GETTING BIGGER BAN THAN CHEATERS??? EXPLAIN DansGame
2017-03-23 19:05
#178
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India Reaper1 
Wtf? So you can have proven cheaters playing your tournaments again but you have a problem with players who threw a game for a few thousand dollars that too when there were no rules w.r.t. betting? Wtf is this shit
2017-03-23 19:05
ESL is my girl
2017-03-23 19:05
..ffs let these cheater fucks be banned...
2017-03-23 19:06
#185
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Poland cebulae 
chill guys, they wont come back anyway, esl hosts 4 events a year its not worth for them
2017-03-23 19:06
lol let me hear those who go:"players would never risk to cheat and end their career" Here you go. Cheat your way up, get caught, take a 2 year vacay and return to earn monies. They should have been fined the amount they earned on a pro level where you at jonty?
2017-03-23 19:07
LMAO What a shitty way to discredit the game itself by unbanning cheaters
2017-03-23 19:07
LMFAO
2017-03-23 19:07
When you think about it, it's actually quite idiotic that ESL decides to take this stance and at the same time do not forgive match fixers for their mistake. They're delusional if they think that some of these VAC-banned people have not made a profit from their cheats, especially in the (semi)pro scene. I would be very comfortable betting on my own games, knowing I've got an extra hand. Questionable and discussable stance on VAC-bans (or VALVe bans) in general.
2017-03-23 19:08
It's just beyond stupid. Two-tier justice. It's so fucking unfair for the players who matchfixed, cheating was always illegal and it was pretty clear in all the official rulesbook from all the tournaments. So if you get caught cheating, it's your fucking problem, enjoy being banned, you know what you were risking. Whereas matchfixing, nothing was set yet. I would be fucking upset if I was swag or fxy0 for example, who were arguably just collaterals.
2017-03-23 19:15
Yeah, I mean a punishment for match fixing (despite there being no clear rules at the time) is still, obviously, justified as it is a form of cheating in a way. But the fact that these guys could've literally cheated their way to money instead of throwing and get away with it sooner, is beyond ridiculous.
2017-03-23 19:18
#194
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United States VerySmartGuy 
LMAO CHEATERS UNBANNED BUT NOT THROWERS.
2017-03-23 19:08
>cheats to win tournaments and thousands of dollars >gets unbanned >throws a match in an online match for a couple of dollars >banned for life
2017-03-23 19:08
seriously? seriously? seriously? NOOOOOOO
2017-03-23 19:08
#204
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Sweden Dukwooo 
This discussion again but it is valid, because seriously. Throwing - Cheating, which is worst? In my opinion I will always dislike cheaters more then throwers (both should be punished ofc!) But seriously lifetime ban for throwing? But time ban on cheating? That is not how it should work.... In my opinion it should be same punishment for both 2 years for both OR if they actually want to have different ban times, it should be lifetime for cheating vac bans and time decided for throwing, but not this......
2017-03-23 19:10
lmao -xms +kqly
2017-03-23 19:11
n1 one
2017-03-23 19:11
>cheats to win tournaments and thousands of dollars >gets unbanned >throws a match in an online match for a couple of dollars >banned for life
2017-03-23 19:11
#216
shrek | 
United States shrek1 
your name fits
2017-03-23 19:12
#236
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Israel Kryst1 
Lul you are dumb.. KQLY still cannot play majors,so is iBP...
2017-03-23 19:17
#208
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Spain akproxx 
THIS IA A JOKE LMAO
2017-03-23 19:11
how can players who literally cheated have another chance and players who did something with no consequences established do not? ofc what ibp did was wrong and they know it but there was no punishment settled. On the other hand, people who cheat know it's wrong and have their VAC bans for it wtf is wrong ESL
2017-03-23 19:11
what with players who sold matches but DONT HAX ON FCKING LAN!!!
2017-03-23 19:11
#214
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Brazil daiivin 
What a ridiculous decision
2017-03-23 19:11
qkly ez win! Pascha is scared for jump hs from USP
2017-03-23 19:12
what the fuck, by this logic unban iBP as well. cheating pieces of shit like KQLY and Sf should never be allowed to compete again yet ESL are giving them the chance to do so. fucking disgusting
2017-03-23 19:12
#219
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Poland 0VERATED 
Why dont unban ibp then
2017-03-23 19:12
#221
Aleksib | 
Finland Emvi 
"Lets cheat and try not to get caught and EVEN if we get caught you can return 2,5 years later anyway"
2017-03-23 19:13
crazy bullsh*t rule..!!!
2017-03-23 19:13
welcome back again kqly
2017-03-23 19:13
Who will play with cheaters anyway.
2017-03-23 19:13
#226
EliGE | 
United States mehrfth 
Match fixing effects the integrity of that match. Cheating effects the integrity of the game.
2017-03-23 19:14
kqly is back PogChamp
2017-03-23 19:15
bullshit
2017-03-23 19:15
#232
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Estonia cvnt669 
gotta be fucking kiddnig me...
2017-03-23 19:15
#233
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Yugoslavia ToBeHonest 
Valve wanna fix vac? Yeah ofc , they doesnt give a fck about cheaters..
2017-03-23 19:15
#414
dupreeh | 
Kazakhstan axakz 
Can u read? Its ESL rules, not Valve...
2017-03-24 08:46
#234
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Germany GeoRg___J 
poor decision imo. lower tier players gonna cheat most likely more often now.
2017-03-23 19:16
#235
s1 | 
Armenia gr1nch 
kukli is back bitcheeeeeeeees
2017-03-23 19:16
WHAT A BULLSHIT! And what about swag?
2017-03-23 19:19
#241
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Denmark U w0t m8? 
Fucking retarded, how can you unban fucking cheaters and not people who has been match fixing? In my eyes cheating is much worse than matchfixing... Cheating is not a "mistake" that should be forgiven, this decision is fucking ridiculous. You don't see athletes who used doping comming back either, if CS wants to be identified as a sport, they need to get a fucking grib. (This is not about me being salty about IBP, honestly I don't think they should be unbanned either, but when we're about to let cheaters play again, I don't see why not."
2017-03-23 19:19
#400
mixwell | 
Spain m4t4 
You don't see athletes who used doping comming back either ??? i guess u dont follow sports so much
2017-03-24 00:20
#243
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Turkey osmanabi 
"Players who have been banned for match-fixing do not fall under this rule, however, and will remain suspended indefinitely. " ok that is complete bullshit. ESL thinks that cheating is better than throwing. If you're unbanning VAC Banned players you HAVE to unban match-fixing players as well.
2017-03-23 19:19
VAC bans and bans for throwing should be both for 2 years. If a player gets "detected" again then it should be permanent.
2017-03-23 19:20
omfg are u mad?
2017-03-23 19:21
wow lost all my respect to esl oh wait, nevermind. I never had any respect for these suckers
2017-03-23 19:22
iBP???
2017-03-23 19:22
match fixing ???
2017-03-23 20:47
#253
flusha | 
Netherlands davin 
csgo becomes more ridiculous everyday
2017-03-23 19:23
#254
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United Kingdom rhyho 
but the players from IBP are banned from everything.
2017-03-23 19:24
IBP Squad are allowed to compete in every tournament that isn't a Major, while cheaters were NOT allowed to play in any IEM ESL tournament. Now things are equalised, dont see any issue on it
2017-03-23 19:25
#258
KRIMZ | 
Poland deolic 
rip fxy0 :(
2017-03-23 19:25
it is unacceptable !
2017-03-23 19:25
#261
steel | 
Macau V_M_P 
And matchfixing is a life time ban ye fuck these cunts fuck them all.
2017-03-23 19:26
The length it takes to get unbanned for cheating is shorter than the time it takes for EPL matches to be medic'd. Something something shit server quality in most EPL matches. Something something youtube... something something pitchfork. #MAGA
2017-03-23 19:27
They unbanned the guys that cheated,and still banned the guys for matchfixing,2 ez 4 volvo.
2017-03-23 19:28
#264
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Australia SUNSPY 
Bit of sense guys cmon. KQLY for instance was never proven to have cheated in any league or tournament. FACT VAC ban is account based and could truly have been a couple of times for a laugh without considering the account based possible future consequences From an IT security perspective, I agree with this move. Stopping players cheating on LAN where the actual money is, is not rocket science. Seriously, it just ISN'T ! Even if your LAN allows players to set up their PC on practice day, with full admin privileges, proper policies following the drive imaging process along with in tournament policies are enough. You can eliminate any possibility of cheating. It isn't hard, and almost everyone here does not understand that. HOWEVER ! Feel free to witchhunt if the following happens, I am all for that; Player is amazing in league/qualifier online and carries team to LAN, with very suspicious playstyle. Player then sucks nads on LAN and looks different in that regard. Additionally, if said player is later VAC banned, severe consequences should come to both them and team - e.g fined all winnings with player plus more, and player permbanned.
2017-03-23 19:29
#265
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Portugal Stifmyster 
match fixing is worse than cheating? i dont get it
2017-03-23 19:30
#325
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Bulgaria mango_csgo 
of course it is a lot worst than cheating. Match fixing you are INTENTIONALLY losing for personal gains. Losing on purpose is the worst thing you can do. Use ur brain please.
2017-03-23 20:28
#331
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Portugal Stifmyster 
both things are bad,my opinion plz respect
2017-03-23 20:35
Losing on purpose is worse than cheating... ok. Found the inbred of hltv
2017-03-23 20:53
#266
Aleksib | 
Finland Emvi 
ESL have always had shit for brains, they want to make the cheating scene bigger for whatever reason. Fuck them
2017-03-23 19:30
hahahaha IBP got rekt again
2017-03-23 19:31
start a VAC banned team only. lel
2017-03-23 19:31
THIS!!!
2017-03-23 20:26
#FreeiBp for fuck sake you ppl already unbanned cheaters.
2017-03-23 19:32
LEt all those 5 mentione in the news ppl make their own ppl of 5! :D
2017-03-23 19:33
"Players who have been banned for match-fixing do not fall under this rule, however, and will remain suspended indefinitely." haha fuck you
2017-03-23 19:33
#274
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Australia SUNSPY 
On the match fixing, it is a moral issue more than anything and there is no excuses or possible misunderstanding. They chose to hurt the scene and people who bet on them, for fast personal gain. No surprise it was an NA team, see latest ep of Counter Points with Thorin Moses and zews for some perspective on this point. Professional conduct is lacking..
2017-03-23 19:34
#275
Aleksib | 
Finland Emvi 
ESL wants to grow the cheating scene to avenge valve for not giving them the major, confirmed.
2017-03-23 19:34
#276
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Poland @skaddycsgo 
so just release the brax, let him shine finally :D
2017-03-23 19:35
ESL trash
2017-03-23 19:35
Once a murderer always a murderer. Same with cheaters.
2017-03-23 19:35
#281
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Spain all_in 
that is FUCKING SHIT
2017-03-23 19:37
lollllllll wtf? happy for kqly, but what about ibp?? #FREEBRAX #FREEDAZED
2017-03-23 19:37
kqly unbanned confirmed by hltv
2017-03-23 19:45
people deserves second chance, if u dont agree u can keep cry in the corner.
2017-03-23 19:46
#291
shox | 
Canada dB- 
But swag and ask can't comeback ever? So fucking stupid. I know that it's valve and not ESL but still
2017-03-23 19:46
wtf what about steel, dazed and brax?
2017-03-23 19:50
#293
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Sweden wyv0 
KQLY HYPE
2017-03-23 19:50
#295
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World madman112 
So basically they make cheating less punishable? Great
2017-03-23 19:51
kukli vac ban? siriusli
2017-03-23 19:51
sf main acc - steamcommunity.com/id/GordonG/ sf new acc - steamcommunity.com/id/thecommanSF 2X CSGO VAC-BANS.
2017-03-23 19:52
CSGO is becoming a trash scene.
2017-03-23 19:55
#300
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Bulgaria bUHALOVIC 
THE BEST BULGARIAN PLAYER DREAM3R MAKE BG SCENE GREAT AGAIN
2017-03-23 20:02
best players dont cheat, ask Maniac.
2017-03-23 20:03
#306
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Bulgaria bUHALOVIC 
dream3r didnt too i believe kappa
2017-03-23 20:06
#304
steel | 
Belarus Ruble 
csgo such a nice scene you can cheat but if you throw 1 match life time ban :D Atleast this shows for the new players there is 0 sense to play without cheats
2017-03-23 20:04
I lost all respect I had to ESL. But expected from German company I guess, they try to help their citizen business such as ko1n or superx0
2017-03-23 20:06
sry boy but France is cheater scene Germoney is just coding scene XD
2017-03-24 00:33
ez for KQLY
2017-03-23 20:09
AAAAND IBP IS STILL BANNED...
2017-03-23 20:09
lol why would they come back since they were only good because of the cheat?
2017-03-23 20:10
#338
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Germany vitzen 
they just cheat again, ez
2017-03-23 20:44
this is retarded. why the fuck they unban emilio but not ibp
2017-03-23 20:11
#329
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Bulgaria mango_csgo 
Why allow match fixing scums to come back to the scene? Throw intentionally to make money? What happens when someone match fixes in real sports? They are banned FOREVER
2017-03-23 20:32
#316
vberg | 
North America Mang0 
Lol get raped ibp, scummy pieces of shit
2017-03-23 20:20
#318
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Switzerland EZ_KATKAT 
ESL is the stupidest company
2017-03-23 20:26
#319
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Poland Mannix 
ESL you never disappoint to amaze me LUL
2017-03-23 20:25
come down, no one will take a banned player in the team cos that team will only be able to participate in ESL events which is ridiculous. nobody will go for it.
2017-03-23 20:26
nice valve, we really need to support the cheaters 10/10
2017-03-23 20:27
#326
Friis | 
Canada uhJake 
#Freeibp
2017-03-23 20:29
#327
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Bulgaria mango_csgo 
Why do so many kids here think intentionally losing is not as bad as cheating? Are you guys literally dumb af?
2017-03-23 20:30
Rip iBP:(
2017-03-23 20:30
#330
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Portugal dracø 
Sounds about right, let matchfixers play as well now. This will be amazing to the wanna be semi pros, no cons in hacking now. If they get get busted all is good in a few yers, if they manage to get to the €€ even better. Hope orgs have the decency to let this filth rot as they deserve.
2017-03-23 20:33
makes no sense
2017-03-23 20:35
#333
fnx | 
Norway Trypticon 
Fucking stupid, as always...
2017-03-23 20:36
VAC : allowed. 300$ match fixing : double sentence perma ban.
2017-03-23 20:36
#336
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Bulgaria mango_csgo 
And how many people lost their money because of that match fixing?
2017-03-23 20:39
If you don't want to lose skins or money, don't bet. And who told you they would have 100% win without their bets on the opponent team? If they would have win, how many people would have lost their money because of Epsilon winning? They got 1 year ban for that, and it's totally understandable. But they got a new "perma" ban out of nowhere one day after the end of the first ban, for no good reason.
2017-03-23 20:44
#342
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Germany vitzen 
how many people lost their money because their team lost to cheaters?
2017-03-23 20:45
#335
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United States Theking5221 
That's mad bs
2017-03-23 20:37
1. come on kids u can cheat to be a pro. if u fail 2 years but get attention and maybe some money from tourney. 2. many t2-t3 maybe t1 matches beeing fixed these so they know about that and dont want to stop it because of the big money. 3. GG
2017-03-23 20:43
esl dgaf about valve anymore lol
2017-03-23 20:44
I think this permanent VAC ban by Valve is bullshit, it should not be like that. Athletes are not getting permanent bans in case they are caught using steroids.
2017-03-23 20:50
Absolutely horrible decision, do the crime do the time.
2017-03-23 20:52
can play after cheating but not matchfixing.........
2017-03-23 20:56
WTF ???? >KQLY played with cheats the whole year,unbanned >IBuyPower merged 1 match, a ban for life
2017-03-23 21:07
#IBUYPOWERUNBANNED #UNBANNED STEEL #UNBANNED AZK #UNBANNED SWAG #UNBANNED DAZED
2017-03-23 21:09
BULLSHIT. Are you kidding me ESL? How is this fair? These players blatantly cheated at the biggest stage of CS:GO and can now continue to compete but a young player like swag who fell for the pressure and got caught "matchfixing" (let alone, at a time when CS:GO players barely had salaries, iBP had no salary for example) and is indefinitely banned? This is awful, I can't believe you let a blatant cheater like KQLY who obviously cheated for a long time comeback to play and you still hold a youngster like swag responsible for what his teammates talked him into
2017-03-23 21:16
shame
2017-03-23 21:17
UZZZII and Fxy0 come back!!!!!!! Make france great again !!!!!!!
2017-03-23 21:23
superfighter inc
2017-03-23 21:33
Our dream its over, they trhow not cheat. :(
2017-03-23 21:41
Vac banned players should be banned forever, match fixers should be able to play now.
2017-03-23 21:26
#365
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Turkey OdinA 
Cly <3 back
2017-03-23 21:36
THROWERS > CHEATERS XD
2017-03-23 21:40
unban ibp right fucking now
2017-03-23 21:47
#372
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Hong Kong eldoodaks 
cheaters can play but match fixers are banned forever. so theres no consequences for ruining how the game should actually be played, no wonder so many other pros are still cheating.
2017-03-23 21:51
#373
fox | 
Portugal GoDtK 
Bad and Sad rule, Cheaters doesn't deserve a new chance at the highest level. This rule will give to cheaters more motivation to cheat. Bad move, #fuckthecheaters. Cheating is for pussys!
2017-03-23 21:52
#374
cAmyy | 
Other ToRu 
WTF both throwers and cheaters dont deserve a second chance
2017-03-23 21:53
pls let ibp play again :'(
2017-03-23 21:54
#376
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Australia arbiter6784 
ESL are fucking stupid.
2017-03-23 21:59
whats the explaination of Valve to unban Cheaters but not throwers ? Is it mean that is more serious to throw than to cheat ?
2017-03-23 22:01
:(
2017-03-23 22:09
sad
2017-03-23 22:11
#381
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Sweden shirre 
So banned players get another chance while swag is still banned? Makes sense.. This is fucking horrible.
2017-03-23 22:14
This is just a step backwards..talk about keeping integrity within the game!
2017-03-23 22:16
lolololololol
2017-03-23 22:36
LMAO LMAO LMAO AHAHAHAHA THIS GAME IS A JOKE LMAO CHEATERS ARE WAY WORSE THAN SOME MATCHFIXER
2017-03-23 22:41
#386
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Italy AlCapone1925 
What a joke, these mtfckrs who have cheated have a chance to play again but not the people who had make just 1 mistake of match fixing, fckoff Lets go kids, start cheating, you will not be perma banned.
2017-03-23 22:48
ESL LOGIC much w0w. Ex-Cheaters can play but guys who "just" throw are not allowed to play. This is so fucking trolling.
2017-03-23 23:03
Cheating is worse than match fixing, still retards favor former...
2017-03-23 23:13
+1 can't believe people think that, maybe they are cheaters themselves.
2017-03-24 03:38
really, dunno the logic behind it xd
2017-03-24 19:35
#391
NiKo | 
Poland Jaruzel 
So literally CHEATING is better than match fixing?! Are you out of your mind, Volvo? This is so retarded, I can't even... I'm not going to watch this bs if cheaters will be allowed to play the game at pro level again. Actually this might be the beginning of the end of cs:go.
2017-03-23 23:34
Cheaters being treated better than match fixers in 2017. LUL. Sick logic
2017-03-23 23:38
So by this logic IBP is worst than cheaters :thinking:
2017-03-23 23:41
Giving cheaters a second chance... disgusting to read.
2017-03-23 23:48
#396
Xyp9x | 
Denmark STATiC^ 
^ Agree with the rest about the matchfixing. #FREE.IBP!
2017-03-24 00:10
It's a great message that Valve and ESL are sending out to the kids. As if the scene didn't have enough problems with cheating already. Now its ok to cheat and even get caught. Eventually your ban will be overturned and you can return to playing. Just by cheating alone you could possibly get into FPL or Rank S and get yourself some connections. What is the chance of getting caught by VAC anyway? Like a 5% chance if you use a decent private cheat?
2017-03-24 00:15
#399
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Turkey mollesteN 
If this is true it plays from place
2017-03-24 00:16
#403
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Turkey DebbSoray 
what's the logic behind this?
2017-03-24 00:48
a new chance for Cheat? omg Give new chance to iBP or fxy0 pls
2017-03-24 01:02
Will get another chance to compete at the highest level of CS That is, assuming they will compete at the highest level 2 years after and of course, find some team on highest level. I think that it is the definitive way of making them disappear of the scene and from many minds.
2017-03-24 01:27
#409
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United States Free_Swag 
ESL man up and piss off valve by free'ing iBP...man the f up you cowards.
2017-03-24 02:11
lost all respect for esl
2017-03-24 07:20
wat
2017-03-24 08:58
It makes 0 sense. Lost my respect to esl. Fucking kqly
2017-03-24 09:20
#425
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Portugal mrsc 
cheaters get a temporary ban while matchfixing is worth a permaban. topkek
2017-03-24 11:42
#427
fer | 
Austria neodan 
why ESL allow cheaters to comeback CSGO dying ? fu ESL never watch that shit
2017-03-24 12:20
ex-ibp unbanned plz
2017-03-24 12:57
#431
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Denmark sleazyh 
Does this mean, that people that have VAC ban from anygame, can play ESEA? Because when im typing this, i have VAC ban from 835 days ago. Can i play ESEA now? :O
2017-03-24 13:25
#433
cyx | 
Armenia Lev1nnn 
do you have vac ban on csgo?
2017-03-24 13:45
#437
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Denmark sleazyh 
No CSS. :)
2017-03-24 19:58
#442
cyx | 
Armenia Lev1nnn 
you can play esea man. Happy has 1.6 vac ban playing on majors ;)
2017-03-25 01:03
#451
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Denmark sleazyh 
But its really weird that, i can't even logon on ESEA? Cus everytime it says "the id xxxxxx is not allowed" cus of the vac ban?
2017-04-08 14:32
goodd
2017-03-24 16:17
lmao, who cares about those cheaters, unban iBP you stuck up fucking cunts. what a joke, im telling this to my parents.
2017-03-24 18:00
#438
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World UltraHaxor 
cool
2017-03-24 20:01
Ban all of ban none. You can't pretend that match fixing is the cancer that ruins the CS-Scene the most, because it doesn't.
2017-03-28 17:05
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