finally they're disbanding
30k a month seems to be enough to survive
An article out of a Facebook post lol
no pls guys :( you can do it, we believe
RIP VP, but let's see which excuse some of their defenders will pull out this time
That happens always to vp, bad matches in a row and from nothing...top 4 of the major at least. Mark my words
Stay strong pasha. We are number one, support us, hate us, fuel us. Love ya.
VP will take the Major. Mark my word.
just leave this team Pasha you only wasted your fantastic AWP skill 4Head
They got civilised. That's all it takes to go downhill.
Even though I'm not a fan of VP, this must be really heartbreaking for them and their fans.
25.000$ salary every month, they won't disband, they can take about a million $ in the 3 and a half years of contract they have + prizepools + stickers ...
God help Virtus.pro at this point
Goodbye my friend. At least he can stream again.
They have contract for 4 years more so they dont give a shit they will keep getting 25k after that taz will be 35 neo 34 pasha 33
if they cant beat vega then gg
stop with "vp is a different team in major"
vp is over. This aint 2014 and teams these days improved immensely
I doubt they will disband they just signed 4 year contracts and they usually bounce back
sad but true, VP's just lost in the shadows :<
They need a coach, psychologist or somebody to help them to beat vega and bring back the victory. I'd not like them to split and retires, 'cause most of them aren't young players and i don't think that pasha (or anybody of that old-players) with 29 years old goes for another team if VP splits up. I hope so, but i don't think so.
+bntet (only young polish player with superatar potential rn)
wont be top1 but will be better than current roster
Taz talking shit about how "you will see a good vp" At least pasha is being realistic.
It is pretty obvious that VP will change players after major if they cannot achieve anything.
Sadly but true :(
actually pasha playing good in this event, they must cut taz and maybe neo but who will join vp?
michu? innocent? poland cs is rip in pepperoni
I always thought people in HLTV mocked teams mostly for baiting reasons, but now it makes me sad to see people happy that the disbandment of the team (and likely retirement of such legendary players such as neo and taz) is a palpable reality.
Ooh. So sad to hear that but it's true. There's gonna be changes if VP won't show up on major. This VP is coming to end I think. And I really hope that I'm wrong.
The problem with the polish scene is the fact that all of the players like Kuben, LUq, Lord etc retired, and didnt contribute to creating new talent within the polish scene.
If VP had to swap players, I would still actually pick all the 5 VP players for the best polish lineup possible.
It seems as if they are burnt out, and need a longer break. Give them 3-6 months away from the game, give them the chance of having fun playing CSGO again, and things might change.
If they decided on changing roster - who would go? Pasha, snax and byali have been solid the last three months - so do you cut neo and taz? And who do you pick up? Michu and who? Innocent to get an IGL?
There simply is not enough talent for them to swap players. Much less enough players with the needed experience to be champions.
I have no idea why VP completly changed the whole team stras and players' functions. They were doing pretty good being 2nd in Atlanta and winning DH LV. Now when Snax is IGL and Pasha plays main AWP everything goes really bad for them. I hope they will find the way to win.
VP buys Vega Squadron roster.
Spoiler alert: VP won't change their roster until 2020 because of the 5-year contract in 2015.
Shocker, I know. :o
i think it's huge fake and vp will show up on major... REALLY. Just stfu and wait for major
Nooooooo :( This makes me so unbelievably sad.... Following the scene ever since 2013, near the inception of CS:GO when VP, NIP, LDLC and fnatic were always the 4 IRON pillars of the scene.... and now my favourite team could possibly be disbanding... I really hope that the core stays together but they try out SZPERO and MICHU... please guys :-(
Man, this is so sad. I really hope they somehow have a great run at PGL Major. Undoubtedly they have the aim, the raw individual skills, the knowledge and the teamplay necessary to do so, but I'm sure something outgame has been severely interfering in their performances. Whatever that is, I hope they can overcome it together and stay strong as individuals and as a team, because what they've built for this game and the whole community is priceless and they can for sure still contribute immensely. CS:GO would never have become such a great game if it wasn't for VP showing to their fans and to the world (is there anyone who dares not to have sympathy for them?) what having a team you can call family means, if it wasn't for each and every one of them always having immense respect towards their opponents. They've gone through so much together, from being at the top and remaining humble, to enduring many downfalls and keeping the hard work as if their comeback was certain. And it is bound to happen once again, hopefully they'll be able to pull off another miracle and keep helping CS:GO community grow bigger, stronger and as warm hearted as they are for many years to come. #respect
Love VP or hate VP but if they do disband a bit of counter strike history will be just gone, gotta appreciate the last matches of legends maybe
Why don't VP create academy team dedicated for taz and neo.
Let's go Vp <3 You are strong!!!!
so, major is your vp. GL.
tbh idk at the very same point i can say that there's something and there's nothing to be worried about,yes vps recent results have been shit without a doubt,even throught pasha did write something similar to this one year ago when they were also in slump,i guess we'll have to see it even throught even if they make the changes it might end up in fncsent...
you can't expect them to be a top tier team forever. this was certain to happen. I won't be surprised if in end of the year, they are not in top 30.
looking forward to their major run
blah blah blah. Of course you will survive doing nothing and getting 20k$ per month till 2020
I simply cannot imagine a competitive scene without Virtus.Pro with the roster they have now. They can fix their problems because they're no stranger to fixing problems in the past. Good luck VP.
vp needs 2 new players like a nip To grow again
If this roster keeps playing badly i could see a couple of PRIDE players joining the lineup.
Minise or even innocent from PENTA would work.
I really feel bad for the team, especially for Pasha, but Taz... he is a stupid arrogant player, devaluing his opponents thinking that his team is unbeatable. Really hope they choose to kick this moron, that lately is playing like a bot.
this team is trully legend, somehow it feel sad hearing this. being fans i want to give them time to fix this, but people want to see good cs, and there a thing that cannot be fix even they have time, they team full of synergy, i love them not because they superior with they aim, but it's they playstyle, trying to fight and find away to win eventhough they opponent outaim them.the first team that stoping NIP era at 2014. still remember when fnatic was so dominant and vp fast the first team to fight back and show other team how to antistrat fnatic. teaching people proper way to play new version of maps. but now thing getting darker for them, just wish them goodluck
VP will pull through, let's just give them time..
I still see a tier 1 lineup on them :/ kinda hard to believe still. But 3 of them will have to end up teaming with MICHU and MINISE, then we have a new golden 5
Wow botceps can't resolve the problem...maybe try B O O T C A M P or at least P L A Y T H E G A M E over 10hours/week...Of course you are bad if you don't practice, neither DM, and prefer playing PUBG... Virtus.Arrogant so annoying "b-but we need a miracle", stupid bots.
STAY STRONG VP, DONT FUCKING DISBAND
snax on faze would be insane! -kio or -allu?
They are so fucking old. This is not like NiP old. They are literally old. Taz and Neo should retire. And pasha has some talents but he can't go far. I give him max 2 years.
They really open the way for Snax and Byali. It's time. I think a major upset will be the end of G5.
I think RIP VP but hope they will be better soon.
actually surprised how many nonpolish and non VP Fans here in this article did show some "love" towards them. it is sad with this slump around but sadly this is what time does. nobody can beat the time so won't this legendary lineup be able to do so :-( The thing is Major Win or not (doubt that they will make it out sadly) how are they going to perform after? I guess the game vs Vega decides everything. an aggressive, solid tactical and good aiming team can bring them to an massive tiltmode...
neo, taz, kuben, loord, pasha. That's the solution :p
just disband already . you won enough , you earned enough , you settled families already , you are "legends" , wtf do you want more ?
we havr all seen enough of old school washed up players who are stubborn to play even tho they clearly suck at high level .
we want fresh young talents in the scene not the same old washed up faces.
respect for what you did but just disband already , bye.
Sucks they have been alot of fun to watch through out the years.
It would be sad if such a team that played together so many years has fallen apart, but maybe it's time
for the record, snax byali and pasha have from 60 to 70 hrs ingame in the last 2 weeks (couldnt check for neo & taz cuz their profiles are private)
it's not that much but it's not like they dont play at all
VP and Fnatic... amazing. Crazy how great they were even a year ago and how fast and far they've fallen. Nip was looking the same, but possibly staving off Father Time a bit longer
nice bait. they wont change anything xD
manewhile Botceps facebook reach new records this what we call master lvl click bait
yeah my friend, cs is for people who are hungry for the game :> u guys are washed up and dont have motivation anymore... so gtfo :>
papa dont cry , virtus 4 ever
I guess this is it then.. time to stop watching competitive cs.go for me. Hope Snax can replace allu in FaZe he deserves every victory he gets once he's on fire.
Guys, write and wait for this: VP to major semis or grand finals.
Papa thinks ahead of out time...
If virtus.pro disbands or even changes 1 player, it'll be one of, if not the worst thing to happen in csgo. End of an era, hopefully they fight to stick together and plow again soon.
Any team can have a bad moment, that's what it's all about. Not always everything will be perfect, some obstacle can always appear :/
Great guys and I hope they can move on to better things out of game
.... change the coach and see different results. Bye Kuben, best of luck.
Why be such a huge drama queen ? xd
Just make like 2 roster changes, give Michu a chance lmao.
A few changes and I can see vp be top 5
they would not be in such shit position atm if they replaced taz some time ago.
No VP, no reason to watch tournaments. It was always big hype when VP playing, without them CS will be boring.
Time to shake up the line-up
Hearing talk like this is sad, but think back on VP's CS:GO history. One of the last big teams to make the switch from 1.6, started out awful, eventually rose to the near-top, and cycled between peak and plateau ever since. It's just the nature of their form, for whatever reason. I can't think of a time since 2013 that they stayed near the top for more than a handful of months
So sad... they are great guys and been following them for at least 10 years...
refer to recent performance of vp
>win the major
if they disband or kick 2-3 players they won't find poorlacks who will play on the same level their scene is almost non existent outside of vp
On 1 hand it's really tragic if they end up splitting, the history behind this team(Zonic's mTw springs to mind as one that hurst just as much)
But refinding motivation really means so much, and changes "can" do wonders.
Maby take a year apart on others teams to then reunite even stronger with newfound energy/experice and again be amongst brothers in arms :)
Just replace 1 for Michu, Give them the hunger to win again with a fresh new young player
Thats bullshit, they've had worse periods , like. 2012 and 2013 until the line up change and katowice 2014 , before that they were nobody in csgo so , get over it and work harder
dont disbanderhino my friend :c
Just Disband the team, Kick allu from faze and take snax as the AWPer. Then Faze would be the best team in the world.
RIP VP polska
2014-2017, you had a good run and won just a major
no fear my friend, next time it will be better ))
Hope VP will earn Legends spot again at major
The amount of happy people here, show how badly they hated vp xD
Age is irrelevant. In functional terms, the only thing age will impact on in this game is reaction time and hand eye co-ordination. Reaction time will happen further down the line, certainly not in your 30's, hand eye co-ordination MUCH later than that. I don't see any playing reason why someone can't stay in this game until 40.
Becoming a father will no doubt have an impact on performance, however, by all means it's possible to manage this given an initial period to adjust.
No one here knows what's going on in the lives of each of these players and inside the team, everything on here is pure speculation. Fact of the matter is they have a large number of results under their belt, they are capable and have the skill to still win Majors.
Have the players grown tired of the game? Are they suffering burnout from all the time they've given up and dedicated to the game? If they're prepared to put in the hours and improve, it's going to be a psychological issue. I would have thought an organisation such as VP would have access to a sports psychologist, I'd be shocked if they didn't. Pasha's comments certainly seem to lend weight to consigning the team to all being in the same boat. To be asking, 'What to do' it seems they're at a loss of what the issue is, again suggesting they're putting in the hours and it is something beneath the surface (psychological). I hate bringing the psychological issue up as its very much a buzz word in eSports at the moment. While it's undoubtedly needed, and great to see, a lot of people are jumping on the bandwagon with it. However, this situation screams of needing one.
Again, if the players have the desire and commitment to fix this, they can certainly do it. They may have to dismantle everything and start bottom up, but the capability is certainly there.
It's cliche, but if you get through this, you'll only be stronger. Every team, in every sport, is going to experience slumps in form. The best teams pull together more when things get rough and ride it out.
You're at a fork in the road VP, you going left? Or going right?
go get 0-3 in the upcoming major, ty.
noooo i hope they do smth good at the major
maybe its just mind games
Wether they disband or not, they are forever engraved in CS history!
If they disband it will be huge step back to the csgo scene.
Maybe im stupid but i sill believe in them. GO GO VP
Wow I expected something like "We will strike back" or so, but they really seem to have problems this time
Make this disband happen , Papa is a great guy ! He deserves better than the crying retarded VP fans..
Saw what he wrote on Facebook, this article is fucking pure clickbait. It will just stir up unneeded drama, gj hltv!
I hope they will find their way out. I really hope they can still have the same lineup. but we all know what happened to NiP. they tried for two years without doing anything major to their team, and finally they changed out two players and got their coatch back full time. This seems to have changed them totally from the ESL Cologne 2017 tournament.
maybe its time for a change.
Just win this major and leave in glory man before it'll too late, do this!
I think that when we are in a bad moment, we think it is the end of the world and there is no solution, but there is always a solution. The evil of social networks is when we post something hot-headed and it will be for life. He should not speak what he said. I cheer for the Brazilian teams, but I'm a fan of the CS as a whole, and I appreciate the brotherhood of the members of the VP. I hope they get through this bad phase and return to the golden age.
major is their last chance
Reverse "from rags to richies" :(
From a team that would beat anyone, to a team that can't beat mediocree teams :(
In my opinion they are too much well off. Too much money and little motivation. They game says all. They have always missed something to make them a team like fnatic or SK. They had flashes of genuinely superteam, but never solidified themselves. Hopefully they sort it out and stay together.
just change byali and pasha...
everything comes to it's end :)
I want to believe :/ come on vp!
Last year everyone talked about personal changes in VP and then they back and did good job at few tournaments. In my opinion it's not personal problem becouse everyone of them can play this game better than 95% in the world. Well... You should forget about retire for some players. Maybe they have a huge problem inside team. In one of the latest interview Neo said something like "Maybe it's time for hire sport psychologist... but not every one of us want to do it. We must find solution from this situation" and "Some players prefer practice at home and don't like bootcamps. I prefer practicing at bootcamp". I think every VP player is playing for 100% but not everyone of them "believe" in tactic changes etc. so in the end the team playing "slovenly".
I will always be with them, no matter what. We celebrate wins together and we cry after lose together. It wont be easy, that's obvious, but you have to reach bottom to bounce to the top.
give neo oraz taz igl and snax should focus on killing everybody c'mon
They re gonna rock at the major,classic virtus pro
They are gonna secure their legends spots on major or eve n get to the semi's .Mark my words
Snax / Byali will form the VirtusPro.Academy team. Actually, Taz should form it and then retire to become a manager in a few years time. It's time to put more commitment on a child that has already learnt to walk and talk.
Just switch back to Neo-IGL, kick TaZ, and you will have a chance.
pasha to team Refuse xdd asfas fajslkfasf i cant imagine that
Pasha make nice clicbait post nice.
It is obviously time for them to retire.
They dont deserve for rekt
The problem is obvious: no aim, no teamplay, no new starts or gamestyle.
If pasha, taz and neo have no more time or motivation for play (because of the age, the family and other priority in thei own life)... well they should retire.
All of u kiddos getting hyped by by some facebook post that meant to sparkle shitstorm about them. they have contracts till 2020, they aint gonna disband u idiots.
The men. The myths. The legends. Polish giants, the timeless powerhouse, the unbrokable giants. And now it seems they are going to be broken...
Or not? It seems like they are in their biggest slump now, but now they have time to prepare for Krakow and find their last motivation. They are supposed to play that soccer match woth SK, aren't they?
And maybe this all is just a theatre, one bug play, one big false. Who knows?
And maybe not. We can't see into their heads. We can only see what they show us. Still don't forget about Krakow. It's their homeland. If the team needs something, it's motivation and support. Go then, Krakowians and Polaks. Go on Sunday, stand before TAURON and show them who stands behimd them. Show them who they play for, show them their logo, Polish flag, show them support. If it goes well, then.. Then you will recognize it.
I hope this legend team will come back...6 months ago they were winning DH Masters ...wtf
But a lineup change seems the only solution. With all the respect I have for these players, TaZ seems the one with the weakest aim. And changing IGL could be the right solution.
finally disband thank god
Pasha have to retire. He won't admit that he can't play with wife and two kids.
It's about time for them to leave the game
They already had a great carreer, stop while they're still "good" instead of getting worse performances
The CS community will always be thankful to you guys
Virtus.pro MICHU, make VP great again
Pretty sure they'll be back when they start winning aim duels again. Byali didnt hit any of his shots this event. They can do this, i believe, like always
: - )
Those are fans of CS:GO... When teams play good they are the best,fans are writing #GOVP #GONINJAS #FAZEUP etc. and when they don't they are suggesting lineup change.... Im just gonna say if you're true fans of team/s you'll be cheering for them no matter what happens,no matter in what form they're,no matter they win or lose... Cheers boyz!
Sad that the lost major final will kill this team. Pretty sure it would had looked different now, if they had won that.
Don't think they should disband. 2016 started very bad, bits of 2014 was bad. Just stick it then bash SK.
Man it's really sad all this... I love VP, it was some of my favorite players. I love the fact that they stick as team trough all this years! Hope they comeback stronger then ever.
i love this team, I would be very sad to see their separation
im alright with vp disbanding. im a vp fan since 2013. im a huge fan of byali, because his raw aim is absolutely amazing, but sadly hes so inconsistent that you rarely even see him getting a 3k. snax is a great player, and i hope he will rise with kinguin when VP disband. I can see taz having a future at ESL just like fifflaren or some sort of analyst. Neo is going to go back to normal life, hes old and is probably planning a family. Pasha is going to stream for himself and byali will stream or play together with snax at kinguin