"Crouch jump" bug officially allowed at the Major

Professeur
July 17th, 2017 12:24

The "crouch jump" bug, that allows players to spot for information at some spots without the possibility of them being seen, has been ruled as legal at the PGL Krakow Major.

The "crouch jump" bug was brought into the limelight in the Major qualification cycle, when Nikola "LEGIJA" Ninić used the mechanic to gain information playing the white box on Cache as a CT. Following BIG's success, the "white box trick" quickly spread throughout the scene.

The crouch jump came into question after yesterday's FaZe - BIG match

Yesterday, BIG used the mechanic in a similar way on Inferno, when they took on FaZe. The German side ended up getting a win over Nikola "NiKo" Kovač and co., which started the discussion of the legality of using the "crouch jump" bug.

You can see how the mechanic was used in the BIG - FaZe match in the following video:

Today, the tournament's head admin Yehor "pANdA" Kolomiets confirmed that "crouch bug" is officially allowed at the PGL Major Krakow, and explained to HLTV.org the thinking behind the decision.

Firstly, Kolomiets stated that the mechanic is "a part of the game, and has been used for over half a year", and that fact "makes it similar to one-way smokes and silent jumps". Kolomiets then added that there is no rule that would disallow using the "crouch bug", and that "teams made inquiries about the ruling, but none of them officially complained about the crouch bug being allowed".

Shortly after the "crouch jump" bug was cleared as a legal mechanic, Finn "karrigan" Andersen tweeted that mousesports and FaZe have made an agreement not to use the crouch jump in an abusive, repetitive way.

Germany Nikola 'LEGIJA' Ninić
Nikola 'LEGIJA' Ninić
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.92
Maps played:
779
KPR:
0.64
DPR:
0.71
APR:
0.15
Denmark Finn 'karrigan' Andersen
Finn 'karrigan' Andersen
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
1094
KPR:
0.65
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.14
Bosnia and Herzegovina Nikola 'NiKo' Kovač
Nikola 'NiKo' Kovač
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.17
Maps played:
707
KPR:
0.82
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.14
cry is free
2017-07-17 12:24
#21
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Russia wEZETzhu 
EZ FOR BIG
2017-07-17 12:25
#goBIG GL & HF C9
2017-07-17 12:25
#86
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Germany zeolikk 
you are the hero we need and the hero we deserve bro
2017-07-17 12:37
#90
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Germany Bier 
ofc it's allowed. everything else would be stupid. teams also use bugsmokes w/o any consequences
2017-07-17 12:39
#39
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New Zealand fix_hltv_ffs 
good to see faze and mouz having a gentleman agreement
2017-07-17 12:26
All teams have been using this, just watch NiKo in ANY game, he always uses it, especially on A site on Cache.
2017-07-17 14:56
#2
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Czech Republic thek!ng 
Okay
2017-07-17 12:24
#327
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United States ferdog 
How to ruin a major 101.
2017-07-17 18:32
2017-07-17 18:54
Good
2017-07-17 12:24
#356
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Argentina W0LFy[RushB] 
The video song is too happy
2017-07-17 19:14
#5
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France Antreas488 
retarded?
2017-07-17 12:24
Af this is half a wh
2017-07-17 12:43
#181
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Germany Bodo1887 
how??? Cry more lmao
2017-07-17 13:29
U can see that somoneone cant see xD when u jump and control
2017-07-17 14:56
#281
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Europe simbrero 
u can also see someone without him seeing u when u aim at a particular spot and press the mouse while having a smoke in the hand.
2017-07-17 16:21
#242
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Mancow 
lol germans acting up for german teams being in the limelight, never heard from you guys before :D
2017-07-17 14:59
#258
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Norway xeb__ 
ofc german teams are gonna do better if win by exploiting a bug every round
2017-07-17 15:38
#389
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Germany r4jzN 
never heard of any bosnian team
2017-07-18 14:47
I really like big but this is absolutely fucking game breaking. Doing that jump on banana is super risky because people always watch for that jump, but if they cant see you, you can just spam that bug jump and get information. Broken af
2017-07-17 15:47
ofc it's broken and should be fixed asap, but big aren't the ones to blame. you should rather thank them for giving the bug so much exposure, maybe valve will fix it sooner.
2017-07-17 18:41
rly ? what a joke..
2017-07-17 12:24
volvo not being able to fix it is a joke. thats a bug from goldsrc and known in source as schrodingers crouch.
2017-07-17 12:27
Good connection Schrodingers crouch is the trick that lets you open the prison door in Nova Prospekt in HL2 speedruns right?
2017-07-17 14:16
yes, heres the link wiki.sourceruns.org/wiki/Schrodinger's_C.. the hitbox model desync is also the reason why you could take no fall damage in hl1. they fixed ceiling glitching in csgo by not allowing crouch spam anymore and introduced new crouch models which are the same as the crouch when you land from a fall. here is an 1 year old reddit post about fall model bug reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/4o.. this is 100% valves fault. i know they are probably not able to fix such bugs in an 13 years old engine but if they atleast declared it as known bug BIG could not abuse it in this way. edit: just reread about duckbug in hl1. it has nothing to do with the model. "It's possible to trick the engine if you are ducked in the last airframe and release duck when you touch the ground. However, the cs engine won't detect that, because you gathered a lot of speed while falling down causing that the next frame will be in air again, making the engine think that you didn't touch the ground at all. Nevertheless your vertical speed (falling speed) is reseted, just like if you did an edgebug, therefore you won't die anymore."
2017-07-17 14:29
This is a joke, even do that faze and mouz made an agreement on the jump, then how many time should it be used before you will called for abousing ?
2017-07-17 14:39
its just bad design like the old tec9 or pistol 1hs kill with the difference that valve cant change it fast. when they introduced the new models they just took that risk for having camera model desync. those problems are known since hl2 release and thats the mainproblem. if you fix something in an 13yrs old engine with 1000 new features the engine was never made for in the first place you will break something else. valve simply said they are ok with it in trade of other bugfixes.
2017-07-17 14:46
pgl had no choice, otherwise Big would need to rematch against Faze
2017-07-17 12:40
no? just state that since this was part of the game with no prior ruling, all uses of the bug up the this point were valid but from this point and omwards it's illegal. simple as that. PGL have no fucking balls, allowing abusing this shit bug
2017-07-17 13:21
ez win
2017-07-17 13:33
#198
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World b1uhwk 
That's really unfair, for a start. Also, how are you going to stop this? If you do it by accident are you disqualified?
2017-07-17 13:42
not really, can't break rules if they don't exist, but once they do you obviously have a choice. how the fuck do you do it "by accident"? just the admins decide if the intent is obvious, shouldn't be that fucking hard, point is to disallow the blatant consistent use of it like BIG did. not to disqualify a team for someone "accidentally" crouch jumping once. a normal jump for info is nothing like a crouch jump
2017-07-17 14:10
they had to force big to a rematch or forfeit, just like in the fnatic's case
2017-07-17 13:27
thats kinda interesting
2017-07-17 12:25
#13
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CIS TajMajal 
wtf
2017-07-17 12:24
ROFL VALVUE RUN EVENT
2017-07-17 12:25
#16
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Sweden FjordCS 
Why wouldnt it?
2017-07-17 12:25
Because it is like half a wh you can wait until your opponent peaks / turns his back on you without him knowing
2017-07-17 13:13
#222
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Germany moxx 
Then a one-way smoke is a wh too :/
2017-07-17 14:14
tbh I think they shoulve been fixed long time ago But theres still a difference you know it is a one way smoke and you to get a piece of info and can prefire or do whatever with it the jump you have no info at all
2017-07-17 14:31
#19
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Czech Republic FeltDown 
3-0 BIG
2017-07-17 12:25
ayyy kids gonna keep crying hahah
2017-07-17 12:25
#24
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France phenal 
Fuck BIG, honestly.
2017-07-17 12:25
why exactly,can you explain it to me...?
2017-07-17 12:29
Cuz they abuse crouch jump a lot
2017-07-17 12:42
and? was it forbidden? no. did other players/teams know about it? yes. did they complain before? no so whats the problem?
2017-07-17 12:43
I do not see a problem, but some teams/players are complaining about it and I completely understand them. It must be frustrating to play against this bug :P
2017-07-17 12:46
never ever seen anyone complaining about it at all...atleast officially(from pros...) and yea,valve should probably fix it...but saying something like "Fuck BIG, honestly." because they used it is just retarded
2017-07-17 12:48
i mean to this date(this event)...no after 1 bigger fuzz yesterday
2017-07-17 12:52
because big abuses it so heavily and major have a lot of viewers.
2017-07-17 19:21
how is this even relevant lol...? it doesnt matter at all if you abuse it twice or 10 times.its still the same... and how exactly is relevant on which tournament do you abuse it? lol...
2017-07-17 20:08
because it gets more exposure that way.
2017-07-17 22:06
so what? again,how is this relevant to what i said and how is this relevant to BIGs hate?
2017-07-17 22:09
i guess you meant to write something else then at #128
2017-07-17 22:11
i wanted to write exactly that...and if players care only bcs its major and they mock big bcs they use it here,they are bunch of hypocrites
2017-07-17 22:19
no, people started knowing about the bug because it got a lot of exposure.
2017-07-17 23:08
no, people started knowing about the bug because it got a lot of exposure.
2017-07-17 23:08
man pro players(and even casual players in MM) already knew about this before this event.it was used many times by many players before in official matches)...
2017-07-17 23:12
actually only some people knew about it.
2017-07-18 05:23
#318
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Brazil VAC0 
twitter.com/IMTHEN1/status/8811523841850.. "I think it's unfair that I can not see the guy and he sees me completely. (My opinion) Anyway it was well played by a big ggwp!"
2017-07-17 18:05
#129
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Germany HeXaDuS 
never played against a oneway-smoke in mm? same thing imo
2017-07-17 12:52
oneway-smokes is not even close to it imo, but whatever. People have different opinions about it anyway
2017-07-17 12:56
#145
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Germany HeXaDuS 
crouch jump bug=you see a person who doesnt see you. oneway-smoke=you see a person who doesnt see you and you can. actually shoot them
2017-07-17 13:00
There are so much different aspects between these two things, but i'm lazy to explain. That's your opinion tho and I must respect
2017-07-17 13:07
#168
Happy | 
Finland Waari 
A smoke has a limited time and makes you use utility. With the crouch jump bug you can gather info the entire round with no risk involved. Also very easy to prefire a player you have spotted this way.
2017-07-17 13:21
#172
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Germany HeXaDuS 
maybe prefire the same spots as t?
2017-07-17 13:22
#173
Happy | 
Finland Waari 
What do you mean? The T actually has to push out to the spot where as the CT can just abuse the bug and peek out and get the easiest frag of his life.
2017-07-17 13:23
#183
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Germany HeXaDuS 
wallbang?
2017-07-17 13:31
#219
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Brazil Otazul 
White box prevent it
2017-07-17 14:11
#223
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Germany HeXaDuS 
but not on inferno
2017-07-17 14:15
#230
Happy | 
Finland Waari 
You would need an AWPer to do so every round and go back to do so as well or take full banana control every round. It is extremely limiting.
2017-07-17 14:27
#106
Vietnam t4y 
Russian walking in 1.6 no cry there
2017-07-17 12:45
I'm not from 1.6 era, so I can't say much about it. Bugs always existed, but they must be fixed imo
2017-07-17 12:48
#179
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Finland Juvi 
It was part of the game if you didnt use mousewheel for it.
2017-07-17 13:28
#236
Vietnam t4y 
i know i totally agree with all of it !!
2017-07-17 14:36
why? imo its faking great thing in game and how its ''cheat''? :D
2017-07-17 12:36
#25
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Finland kappaboi 
wp valve
2017-07-17 12:25
#26
AdreN | 
Turkey asikbey 
omg
2017-07-17 12:25
ok, lets whait when they allow cheats, lul
2017-07-17 12:25
#63
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Europe jUN^ 
YOU are 4 years late
2017-07-17 12:30
#29
JW | 
Sweden reverentan 
gj valve
2017-07-17 12:25
#30
NiKo | 
Bangladesh XalYWero 
TOs in 2017
2017-07-17 12:25
#33
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Australia aucs 
Wow
2017-07-17 12:25
#34
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Albania Heavon 
Good.. cuz nobody knew this before BIG. It would be unfair to BIG if this wasnt allowed suddenly.
2017-07-17 12:25
niko gtr automatic and probably others are using it since months. its well known.
2017-07-17 12:28
#58
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Albania Heavon 
No it wasn't known.. BIG used it in Minor or previous tournament.
2017-07-17 12:29
it was all over reddit when they patched crouch spam. also t1 pros used it before. just because it wasnt know to you doesnt mean it wasnt known to everyone else.
2017-07-17 12:30
#70
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Albania Heavon 
I remember it was all over reddit AFTER Big (mainly LEGJIA) used it first...If you can find a reddit thread like 5 months ago about this bug, then pls post link
2017-07-17 12:31
2017-07-17 12:41
#102
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Albania Heavon 
1/8 This was not the same thing, LUL!! NT. Also, if this bug was known among the pros for months and months, then why did many pros on twitter get surprised when LEGJIA did it first? If this was known bug, then torunament organizers would most certainly put this on their rules to not use it. NT.
2017-07-17 12:44
ok
2017-07-17 12:45
I've seen this before with GTR on Cache, behind the white box. At first idk why did he peek like that, but after this video, now I know what GTR's doing. They already did this, but no one knows how that benefits then until now.
2017-07-17 12:54
#209
Nisei | 
United States kooster 
niko used it months b4 big did
2017-07-17 14:03
As much as this is unfair. I'm glad they set it to legal. However valve fix this ASAP... I had FaZe to win 3-0 :((
2017-07-17 12:25
#340
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United States DemiFiend 
Damn that sucks
2017-07-17 18:46
yeah rip faze
2017-07-18 18:04
Ez 4 big
2017-07-17 12:26
GOB B TOO STRONK INVOLVED INTO THE GAME MECHANICS = BIG MAJOR WIN
2017-07-17 12:26
i hope it won't be long till valve patches it. i guess they can't do shit now it's already been used many times.
2017-07-17 12:26
LULULLULULUL
2017-07-17 12:26
#42
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Serbia Svipke 
Non abusive and repetative way. Check here and there mostly when are most important rounds.. well that's not repetative right? :D
2017-07-17 12:26
only way for BIG to win a game. Pathetic
2017-07-17 12:27
yes that was the only reason they beat faze. nothing else contributed to the win.
2017-07-17 12:45
nah faze actually sucks at the moment i dont expect them to win such a major or tournament but ive been seeing BIG is the only one abusing this bug
2017-07-17 12:47
get_right has been using it
2017-07-17 12:50
oh lol, its such a fucking desperate idea dude . and how come can a game bug be "officially allowed" ... this is just dumb
2017-07-17 12:54
#227
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Germany moxx 
NiKo used it too, will provide VOD later.
2017-07-17 14:25
#272
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Germany moxx 
2017-07-17 16:03
yes that was the only reason they beat faze. nothing else contributed to the win.
2017-07-17 12:45
#174
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Finland kimiNd 
are you stupid? they clearly played better... good retakes and good holds
2017-07-17 13:24
#46
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Kazakhstan Bombardian 
Nice game volvo
2017-07-17 12:27
> Major > Bugs Pick one Valve ...
2017-07-17 12:27
#48
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World witt3e 
This is ultra retarded.. How is this compared to one way smokes? Wtf
2017-07-17 12:27
you get information or kills because you see opponents while they cant see you sounds pretty much the same for me
2017-07-17 12:28
#81
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World witt3e 
When you put in this way it looks the same, but on the game its not (in my opinion)... When you die because a one way smoke, the next time you see you will get morr attention to it, right? Or right from the start you will spam the spot (connector on overpass, for example, when you get down the ladder as a T). The use of this crouch jump bug doestn allow you to have a chance against the opponent, since you dont know if he is there or not... Its wrong. Especially on inferno, ita like you have wallhack on banana and short, two of the most important and crucial spots on the map.
2017-07-17 12:35
well of course its retarded, one way smokes should also be removed from the game im just pissed cause guys like stewie or gtr are using this jump for months and nobody gave af, and now legija does this in two games and everyone is freaking out and blaming them, even tough the jump had no real impact on the game
2017-07-17 12:37
The difference is that you can see the player in the smoke,it's just hard
2017-07-17 12:44
dude, im not saying that its not retarded, i just want to point out that this bug is in the game for 1,5 years now and nearly every pro used it and every1 is blaming big now for using it in 2 matches where the jump had no impact on the result of the game
2017-07-17 12:45
#50
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Portugal BoPeTheBeSt 
NOW BIG have to go PLAYOFFs.
2017-07-17 12:27
actually i dont understand why it shouldnt be allowed its in the game for 2 years now and every1 can use it, its not like an olofpass boost where you can spot one complete bombsite i dont like hltv memes but this time the cry is definetly free
2017-07-17 12:27
I agree. But I also think valve should fix it. In the meantime anyone can use it. Its not gamebreaking lol
2017-07-18 09:14
They make Fnatic forfeit for their "pixel walk" which clearly wasnt pixel walk since looking at the map editor but this shit is allowed just because BIG is a new team in the major and valve/organizers dont want to do anything to upset viewers = less money
2017-07-17 12:28
olofs positions glitched texture so he could see through. you cant compare those both.
2017-07-17 12:29
I can compare whatever I want. Both gave an advantage which clearly wasnt meant to be used or are u saying valve wanted players to use this jump bug and built it in the game on purpose?
2017-07-17 12:30
this bug is know since source came out as schrodingers crouch. it originates from goldsrc where you could take no fall damage due to crouch in the right moment. valve never fixed it and never mentioned it even when t1 pros like gtr and niko were doing it months ago. better comparion would be scoutjumping back then when jump model and hitbox were not synced. or olof abusing obviously broken tec9.
2017-07-17 12:34
Doesnt matter if it's known or not. It's not meant to be used and shouldnt be allowed. Valve just dont care and with idiots buying stupid stickers they even laugh
2017-07-17 12:36
also fnatic decided to forfeit. the official ruling was for a rematch
2017-07-17 12:48
this bug only for information gainer, while fnatic boost used for make kill and there no way to stop fnatic boost. on top of that fnatic boost not been alowed because volve find away to fix that. but this...... look likely they can't fix it
2017-07-17 13:01
#56
apEX | 
Brazil XEMBAO 
what a shit job haha
2017-07-17 12:28
LOL, WHY SHOULD BE A BUG ALLOWED IN A ''''MAJOR'''' . FUCK OFF VALVE, YOU ARE THE PROBABLY WORST GAME DEVELOPERS EVER
2017-07-17 12:30
#64
shox | 
France Telt 
I'm reassured to see it allowed as it was already known before the event, I just hope Valve will fix this afterwards
2017-07-17 12:30
FaZe would have definitly won the game if that bug didn't exist. Kappa
2017-07-17 12:30
thank you, im so serious thank you for the first comment with iq > a piece of wood
2017-07-17 12:33
That still helped BIG in a lot of crucial rounds.
2017-07-17 14:04
+1
2017-07-17 18:36
It's a feature now bois
2017-07-17 12:30
#69
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Faroe Islands shubaNNN 
Disqualify BIG.
2017-07-17 12:31
Is that really a solution? Using every element of the game is not a foul play.
2017-07-17 13:00
#71
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Estonia Chaostic 
Imo things like this and olofboost should be rewarded not punished. I love this being allowed :)
2017-07-17 12:32
i want gob to give a statement in an interview about is for all these little bitches here pros like stewie or get right are using this jump for MONTHS and nobody gave any fucks, now suddenly everyone is crying the fuck out "only way for BIG to win a game. Pathetic" its not like immortals or faze got completely outplayed and just sucked aimwise and thats why they lost but seems like nobody cares
2017-07-17 12:32
hello Legija!
2017-07-17 12:33
Show me those stewie and gtr clips.
2017-07-17 14:01
u serious? just take the last official and search theyre doing it daily or better watch demo
2017-07-17 17:20
thats the fucking joke about all this, dont search for stewie or gtr, just watch the actual major just watched lucas doing it on bombsite a on train wtf
2017-07-17 17:20
#300
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Korea Rohkoh 
"Crying the fuck out". Interesting way to phrase it lmfao.
2017-07-17 17:19
#73
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Brazil conradosu 
only way for BIG to win something lmao
2017-07-17 12:35
Inb4 cheating is officially allowed since it's been around for ever and everyone uses it already Valve worst shit ever and the players even worse, disgusting to live your life hiding the truth and lying to everyone
2017-07-17 12:33
#77
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Sweden newerth4nu 
If they say it isn't allowed Valve are gonna have to fix it and can't hide from it anymore. And as we all know Valve doesn't give a shit about CSGO
2017-07-17 12:34
+1 someone with a brain that understands the trouble and money loss for valve trying to fix the game. Valve + skins/sickers/cheats = moooooney Valve + bug fixes/updates/VAC = no scene, no money
2017-07-17 12:38
its not a bug its a trick nO0bZ
2017-07-17 12:35
#80
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Italy Div-\ 
Firstly, Kolomiets stated that the mechanic is "a part of the game, and was used for over half a year", and that fact "makes it similar to one-way smokes and silent jumps". Kolomiets then added that there is no rule that would disallow using the "crouch bug", and that "teams made inquiries about the ruling, but none of them officially complained about the crouch bug being allowed". I mean HALF A YEAR that we have this bug and no-one complained before...
2017-07-17 12:35
half a year? this kind of jump is existing for 1,5 years
2017-07-17 12:42
#120
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Italy Div-\ 
Yeah even worse isn't it? As soon as a top team loses everyone goes mad... I wonder what would have happened if it was the other way around (just kidding, we know nothing would have happened).
2017-07-17 12:48
yes...
2017-07-17 12:55
Yes but when kids see their team lose, they cry
2017-07-17 12:43
#123
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Italy Div-\ 
Yeah... And I am disappointed with Karrigan's behaviour, I mean you mastermind are supposed to know and counter it, a simple molly would have done the trick, or just fucking spam the wall... But they didn't do it (spam thru the wall would have been enough imho).
2017-07-17 12:50
And how to deal with the white box on cache? That's OP as fuck.
2017-07-17 14:07
#217
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Italy Div-\ 
Yeah that's op but for example you don't see the boost position on the top left, you only see the exit of garage in mid if i'm not mistaken (I could be wrong tho, but I've seen the big/imt match and Legjia was timing the smokes and other utilities on the garage guy, when they did the "upper tour" from boost they caught him).
2017-07-17 14:10
You could left one CT in sandbox and one doing this shitty jump in whitebox, ez mid control.
2017-07-17 14:12
LOL, fucking tier1000 alternate attax counter it in esl meisterschaft with a simple double nade legija is always jumping towards right side, its so fucking ez to counter
2017-07-17 17:22
im serious, cant realy unterstand why every1 is so mad can it be so hard if fucking alternate attax manage to deal with it and even win against big on cache and immortals cant??? stop fucking crying im sick and tired
2017-07-17 17:23
+1
2017-07-17 19:01
What a fucking joke
2017-07-17 12:36
#87
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El Salvador Xyt0 
Valve need to fix this game...
2017-07-17 12:37
#89
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Czech Republic SteveCZ 
These things have to be fixed by Valve, not by some ruling.
2017-07-17 12:39
EZ BIG
2017-07-17 12:40
#96
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Other chanse 
the music made it good lol
2017-07-17 12:43
better to 'cheat' in this way than by using aimlocks like some others.....
2017-07-17 12:43
you never used and never played any tournament to now so you can't affirms #CryIsFree
2017-07-17 12:44
Thats a fucking joke,considering what happend to fnatic for exploiting a bug too,BIG wont do a shit at this major anyway
2017-07-17 12:44
you never used and never played any tournament to now so you can't affirms
2017-07-17 12:46
Sure BIG fan, i actually liked BIG before they started to abuse this shit,the fact that they abuse it isnt the worse thing actually,the way they are arguing on twitter and shit is just pathetic
2017-07-17 12:48
nt LDLC
2017-07-17 12:47
Expected from PGL and Valve.
2017-07-17 12:44
#116
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Lithuania Paulius_CS 
lmao that is so fucked. This major has the lowest legitimecy because of slow and lazy valve.
2017-07-17 12:48
#122
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Belarus Starvoid 
valve cant fix the game -> allowed to use bugs during the major
2017-07-17 12:49
Hahaha cry is free damn.FaZe fans such a babies
2017-07-17 12:50
#131
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
+10000
2017-07-17 12:52
#130
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
LOL CRY IS FREE
2017-07-17 12:52
#133
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Australia Raychippy 
WTF IS THIS LOL
2017-07-17 12:54
do you keep crouch pressed during the whole jump or do you release it?
2017-07-17 12:54
Good decision, considering it was public knowledge way before the tournament started. Still hope to see it fixed after the major though
2017-07-17 12:55
#138
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Sweden wyv0 
Lmao i Read it as bug fixed.... LOOL
2017-07-17 12:55
#142
kennyS | 
Estonia BlameS 
Kind of embarrassing, Apex always the type of guy that makes his info jumps the widest, shows the most body and then these kids jumping for info without showing themselves.
2017-07-17 12:59
If its not banned in event rules so its allowed.
2017-07-17 13:00
gob b too smart! heil gob B!
2017-07-17 13:00
#148
Algeria W0r 
Now you have to define "abusive" way...
2017-07-17 13:01
+1 Exactly, what's the limit?
2017-07-17 16:00
dat gay video omg.
2017-07-17 13:02
#151
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Sweden Muppenlol 
I hope that valve officials come in and stop this. Because this is not acceptable. Getting information on the enemy while not detected is a unfare advantage.
2017-07-17 13:02
say that to felps
2017-07-17 13:12
When he did that?
2017-07-17 14:09
Good it should be legal.
2017-07-17 13:03
Lol i've been using this for some time now, isn't this the jump where you land silently aswell?
2017-07-17 13:04
Remember a crouch spam bug? E.g. when you are in pit on dust2, you position yourself the way that allows you to see your enemies entering long from long house when you stand, and hide from them when you crouch, then you start spamming Ctrl and you can see them when you stand up, but your enemies can't see you even when you stood up, because spamming Ctrl fucks up player's model behavior. Something like youtu.be/VFKVUzjzI7Y AFAIK they never fixed it in CS:S, but thankfully zBlock author did it for them. In CS:GO the bug existed too (didn't it?), and Valve "fixed" it by disallowing you to crouch and stand up fast (instead of fixing their stupid model mechanics). Guys, this is the same as wallhack and should be fixed, I'm sure the stupid Source engine just doesn't allow you to fix anything though.
2017-07-17 13:11
#160
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Moldova OptimusBlyad 
WTFF THIS GAY MUSIC?
2017-07-17 13:13
how do you do this jump pls explain
2017-07-17 13:16
crouch jump crouch
2017-07-17 13:19
jump while crouched, release crouch after jumping off and immediately crouch again?
2017-07-17 13:20
jump while crouched and release while jumping
2017-07-17 13:44
"VAC bug allowing players to cheat on lan is offically "acceptable". I would just like to thank volvo for this oppurtunity.
2017-07-17 13:17
#166
kNgV- | 
Libya Autista 
big too smart
2017-07-17 13:20
Bullshit
2017-07-17 13:22
WTF, This is ridiculous this is not similiar to silent jump or to oneway smoke, because those two are physically possible, but jumping and seeing another player without being seen is not possible... WHATS IS WRONG WITH YOU?!
2017-07-17 13:22
#176
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Canada mtlb4l4 
OMG Valve is such a joke!
2017-07-17 13:24
#180
Bulgaria v35 
Im soo dissapointed from valve..and this is major with big prize pool.Now everybody gonna abuse this shit
2017-07-17 13:28
#186
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Germany nadero 
so much fuzz about nothing... ugh
2017-07-17 13:34
#232
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Germany moxx 
+1
2017-07-17 14:32
it's clearly an advantage over the opponent
2017-07-17 16:01
#188
dead | 
Brazil luconesc 
"PUSSY TRICKS" Biceps, Pasha
2017-07-17 13:35
expected from valve
2017-07-17 13:35
#191
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Europe NatFlav 
EXPECTED FROM PGL
2017-07-17 13:36
Good, i think this is LEGAL BUG OF THE GAME, and im not sure if it is writed in some rule (like- DONT USE GAME BUGS)
2017-07-17 13:37
great, now Big is going to be the most hated team of the tournament
2017-07-17 13:40
lol BiG
2017-07-17 13:48
really? new update please
2017-07-17 13:48
#202
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Brazil Charizaldo 
good job volvo
2017-07-17 13:51
so fucking stupid this isn't a feature its a bug you see actual teams like mouz and faze not using but then you have a team like big who is ruining it for everyone
2017-07-17 13:56
Also what even is that announcement? "oh man."
2017-07-17 13:57
It's all fucking broken. Maybe valve should fix the fucking game. Also lost all respect for BIG.
2017-07-17 13:58
haha, comparing this to a one-way smoke is pretty stupid. A oneway smoke can (just like this abusive bug) only be used at some spots. The main difference being that the smoke bug is obviously given away by the fact there's a smoke present, thus it is a possibility. Aside from that you can spray through a smoke.. This bug gives the enemy team zero information on wether or not an enemy is actually present at the spot of the glitch (Banana/Whitebox) so a team has to completely adapt their playstyle to work around the areas in which the bug is, or waste utility on it in some way. Just like League, the threat of a skill is sometimes bigger than its actual usage. BIG should pull a Fnatic and just ff, this is pretty dirty play, even though the bug has been around for longer..
2017-07-17 14:01
#214
SAMU RAI | 
Germany SA_ 
Can I use this without a script?
2017-07-17 14:09
#218
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Finland ginbay 
WTF
2017-07-17 14:11
Who ever made that video has got to be pissing himself laughing with the music choice hahahaha. And its being used at the source thats the best fucking part
2017-07-17 14:12
nice game valve add more skins and gloves
2017-07-17 14:19
oh wow
2017-07-17 14:21
#229
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Portugal martim114 
OMG CS GO IS DEAD
2017-07-17 14:27
#233
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Brazil MateusLeeYu 
srsly? nooo... srsly? NOOO... SRSLY??? NOOO!!!
2017-07-17 14:33
#238
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Portugal Death_Hack 
hahahahahaha
2017-07-17 14:39
so this is what BiG came up with after bootcamp? I'm so proud of my bois:*)
2017-07-17 15:01
#252
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India alex_gupta 
smart german boiiis
2017-07-17 15:28
#244
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Portugal dracø 
Good, hopefuly this forces valve to fix their fucking game.
2017-07-17 15:01
#245
f0rest | 
Slovakia axelis 
VALVE is a joke
2017-07-17 15:02
I think PGL did good thing. This is Valve's game and "Valve's tournament". Its their fault and They should fix this before this tournament. They didn't so let fanboiz cry.
2017-07-17 15:04
#247
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World larster 
official allowed. but bug is looks like cheat.. BIG was checked that pre situation almost and shot.. i think it is legal wall hack.. major krakow will remain worst major..
2017-07-17 15:17
#248
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Denmark LnDcsgo 
One-way smoke etc... Why do ppl complain so much? 1 : You can dodge that "bug" 2 : This just showin' whos committed to this game
2017-07-17 15:18
#249
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Brazil gabriezz1 
PGL IS A FUCKING JOKE
2017-07-17 15:25
#262
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Germany So_Dumm 
It is not about PGL , valve is a Boss right there . So these stupid rules come from them
2017-07-17 15:43
LMFAO
2017-07-17 15:25
I will say that its like cheating, cause its exploiting an existing bug that you know of and other ppl might not know... and besides you can do it on every single map, not only cache, even if some ppl find out that they could do it on white box that doesnt prove that they will know every spot they're using it on! The places this bug can be used are countless and you're not going into every round expecting that bug on every corner. The same thing happened to Fnatic vs LDLC on Overpass, and it was considered cheating back then why is this not considered?
2017-07-17 15:25
It's funny that people were calling SK cheaters when they used the chat on a technical pause but now nobody gives a shit if BIG cheats to get some kind of advantage... go figure
2017-07-17 15:28
+1 u know why? because Thecryisfree :>
2017-07-17 15:31
LOL The SK WILL be punished. It's not up to you which punishment they gonna take.
2017-07-17 16:17
Here's in PTBR for you: "É divertido que as pessoas estivessem chamando de trapaceiros do SK quando eles usaram o bate-papo em uma pausa técnica, mas agora ninguém dá uma merda se BIG usam truques para obter algum tipo de vantagem ... vá figura"
2017-07-17 16:33
I have no idea what you understood from what I wrote
2017-07-17 16:35
I was triggered and made a mistake. I'm embarrassed, my bad.
2017-07-17 17:19
#256
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Germany unsalted 
That HLTV even has to make this news shows how retarded the community is.
2017-07-17 15:33
It is like silentrun in 1.6 :pD
2017-07-17 15:34
#259
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Brazil rauni90001 
SK chatting on tech pause = cheating. Volvo:"you better pay me 5k for each player". BIG exploiting bugs = not cheating. Volvo: "It's fine, since we're not able to fix it, we'll allow everyone to use it :D ".
2017-07-17 15:40
#260
ppk | 
Brazil 4vengerr 
ALLOWED ?? LUUUL
2017-07-17 15:40
#261
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Brazil Mirekz 
so the major organizers admit that it is a bug yet they allow it? WTF, what happened to this rule? 6.5 Use of Bugs and Glitches The intentional use of any bugs, glitches, or errors in the game are penalized with six (6) minor penalty points per incident, up to a maximum of eighteen (18) minor penalty points per match. Furthermore, it is up to the admins discretion whether or not the use of said bugs had an effect on the match, and whether or not he will award rounds, or the match to the opposing team, or to force a rematch. In extreme cases, the penalty for abusing bugs may be even higher.
2017-07-17 15:41
#289
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Germany vitzen 
did you even read what you just posted?
2017-07-17 16:32
#291
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Brazil Mirekz 
did you? the rule talks about bugs and glitches in general and PGL just admited that it was a bug so this rule applies, i expect you to be biased since germany flag and probably BIG fan.
2017-07-17 16:34
Admins should decide for a rematch when teams start to abuse this glitch, that happened with Fnatic, why not with BIG?
2017-07-17 19:59
#263
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Germany So_Dumm 
Cheat ~ Bug
2017-07-17 15:43
If the result is to get an advantage over your opponent, that's cheating.
2017-07-17 15:52
every good strategy gives you an advantage over your opponent that's what counter-strike is all about
2017-07-17 16:06
MY GOD you are really trying to defend cheaters? What's wrong with you meine Kameraden?! Strategy is part of any competition. The use of bugs is forbidden by the rules and now they just changed for this specific case on a ongoing tournament, which is pathetic. I know you know the difference between an advantage originated from a good strategy and the one from a bug.
2017-07-17 16:13
#280
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Europe haHAA_ 
haHAA
2017-07-17 16:19
+1 it isn't cheating if everyone has it at their disposal, and since there's 500k on the line for the winner I don't see why you'd keep yourself from using it. Flashbangs give you an advantage over your opponent, are flashbangs cheating?
2017-07-17 16:31
#293
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United States chovka 
No way you're this stupid in real life
2017-07-17 16:36
Please, explain.
2017-07-17 16:39
#267
tarik | 
Indonesia LosD 
Just make a rematch and play In Other maps
2017-07-17 15:56
#271
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Europe haHAA_ 
haHAA
2017-07-17 16:03
#273
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Brazil pedrokun07 
Then why Fnatic boost wasn't? the same rule should be used.
2017-07-17 16:04
#305
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Denmark LnDcsgo 
How far can your stupidity reach? boost = crouch??? wtf ??? Not even close. Now im going to teach you / rest of these idiots a little thing.. You can counter that crouch jump, if ppl want to remove crouch jump = They need to remove one way smoke, jump shots, boosting, running boost etc. You can also see them do the crouch jump (you can see their head)
2017-07-17 17:22
#331
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Brazil pedrokun07 
We have a specialist here.
2017-07-17 18:35
#283
f0rest | 
Germany xeeeoN 
You can see the head everytime... not good but you can see it. So it is not a bug and now stow whining
2017-07-17 16:28
#288
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Brazil Collee 
FaZe and mouz acting like real men. Fuck this bug. It's only allowed because people did it in the qualify and didn't get punished. Otherwise they wouldn't allow it
2017-07-17 16:32
its not a bug, its a feature
2017-07-17 16:38
no fucking shit this game is so broken even pros can legally cheat fuck you valve
2017-07-17 16:47
#304
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Brazil waveeee 
This is a shame of the sport! Valve is skiping the duty of fixing this terrible bug and giving to the players the problem they created. #SHAMEVALVE
2017-07-17 17:21
bad news! next is scroll duck :D
2017-07-17 17:24
Interesting, Bunny Hop is also a bug, but i don't see anybody complaining about it...
2017-07-17 17:28
Maybe cuz you should have movement skills to use bunny hop?
2017-07-17 18:30
#312
FalleN | 
Brazil Lk1Ng 
pussy trick, commom for germans LUL
2017-07-17 17:35
Germans are simply the smartest people of the world in every aspect ! Well done BIG found an advantage now use it .
2017-07-17 17:58
#319
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Hungary raffai 
Cry more noobs. Karrigan also try to be the kindest man in the world always. Disgusting.
2017-07-17 18:06
#320
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Brazil VAC0 
2017-07-17 18:07
Valve: oh we can't fix this bug. So it will be not a bug it will feature
2017-07-17 18:29
#323
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Austria Faguette 
this is the dumbest thing for valve to do since the r8
2017-07-17 18:30
See vid below from day1 anim update
2017-07-17 18:44
#325
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United States netsirt 
lmao
2017-07-17 18:31
shit major
2017-07-17 18:32
Karrigan respect yet again When they first did the models and animations update Karrigan was the one to find, record and report the worst exploit, related to this but was because you could uncrouch and peek yet recrouch in time to not be seen. Sure, same thing basically, info from cover But you could tap peek as well and hold cover in many places then easily kill people who never see you at all if you were good at the crouchspeed exploit keystroke combo and perfect timing of it. A beginner was able to do it to the extent of barely being seen and get good at it in no time. Funny AF I thought, it gets Karrigan giggling near the end and I still can't not laugh now. TSM KARRIGAN at the time seems like forever ago youtube.com/watch?v=6hSjIYif72s
2017-07-17 18:33
BIG <ew3333333333333333333
2017-07-17 18:37
#335
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Montenegro Welfey 
If you need to use a bug to edge off an opponent than you don't deserve to play at this level.
2017-07-17 18:38
agree, also they dont even discovered that bug, that was not a "hard work" or some shit like that
2017-07-17 18:45
Using it shows lack of integrity/morality and suggests being a team that gets hated for it forever is less important than possibly getting guaranteed sticker money again. I can't respect that when the point of the scene is excellence and all that eSport stands for gets reduced to taking a dirty shortcut to.. victory ? legends spot ? anything that was earned with shortcut is not truly earned and will always be tarnished as such. Integrity and fair play remember ? Valve can't use rulebook but can do whatever they want in their game.. I hope they formally address teams and highlight what they're competing for, glory of winning via this is shame not glory.. I'm surprised anyone would use it, rulebook legal means nothing who could really not feel ashamed deep down. Maybe time and reflecting on it will bring some shame and self growth, only positive that could come from this IMO
2017-07-17 18:52
#339
rain | 
Norway Norsk 
Germans cant win without cheats
2017-07-17 18:46
normal germans haha, cant live without cheat
2017-07-17 18:48
#342
KK | 
Denmark s0denone 
Stewie and n0thing already used the bug in this game, haha. Probably more that weren't picked up on stream. Get real.
2017-07-17 18:48
Yep once it started people can justify it to themselves far more easily ! they weren't the one who did it they are just levelling the playing field because someone else is stooping to that level.. Pretty significant time and Valve's view is... pending I guess ? all eyes on Valve and hopefully not too many witchhunt videos pop up to label teams cheaters and so on.. maybe one day this will be gone but chance of lot of drama ? seems A FUCKING BIG CHANCE to me ><
2017-07-17 18:56
#347
KK | 
Denmark s0denone 
Stewie and n0thing already used the bug in this game, haha. Probably more that weren't picked up on stream. Get real.
2017-07-17 18:57
#344
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Poland axmar1 
fck this major
2017-07-17 18:53
Nah PGL are amazing production has been great, that HUD was worth the work, best casters analysts no shit tier hosts nothing to hate on IMO.. and am expecting playoffs to be some of best CS ever if not best. If it gives us SK Astralis final plus huge semis, best major.. with this as a side note detracting sure but do you really think the top2 teams would stoop to this ? they are at the top from countless hours and care how they got there.. will give up though if that did happen, as much as I admire those 2 teams my respect would be.. somewhat destroyed Karrigan lead the way bro.. get everyone on board with just agree to NOT do it on principle !! get people in line ASAP heh
2017-07-17 19:02
AAAND I posted too soon. Another break in game like IMT Ast fuckup.. PGL production sorry big dirty red X for these problems.. even the gotv demos i always dl since dh13 are for the first time being broken by whatever technical issue.. and now a 2nd time already.. Fck this major.. a lilbit :D fck this exploit and fck a lot of other things. Pray for no more of this techincal issue though IMO.. the gameplay is everything :( need our CSGO ffssss
2017-07-17 19:07
#350
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Kazakhstan hypraaxfnx 
dann gibt es auch nicht welche die es Big auch noch gönnen xDDDDDDDDD bringt euch doch alle um
2017-07-17 19:02
This is completely retarded. By this same exact logic, fnatic should have been allowed to keep their win against the french when they did that legendary boost on overpass. Absolutely absurd.
2017-07-17 19:02
#354
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Brazil VAC0 
2017-07-17 19:11
Completely ignoring the fact that big was superior to imt in this game? imt played like a huge piece of shit, ez as that. Big won their 2 games at the major because they played better.
2017-07-17 23:10
Pretty close, forget what the rulebook exactly said, but yeah very good point.. I loved the fnatic thing but huge point you nailed there dude People were right to lose some respect, lot of resepct.. I dunno about the level of hatred that was going on but people see it their way and are right to do so. I realise how now I didn't have the right mindset because I was cheering for fnatic and as it happened it was exciting, but the core issue is as you say.. so so similar. Time to try avoid the drama for me, peace all. And CSGO ? pls ? PGL :(
2017-07-17 19:12
This "Crouch jump bug" is old it's not like they find it today the bug has been in cs: go for some weeks now if I'm not wrong a YouTuber have done a video about it.
2017-07-17 19:27
PGL are just going out of their way to make everyone not like this major.
2017-07-17 19:43
You have to do everything you can to win so ofc teams should abuse it
2017-07-17 19:47
This is like Fnatic glitch, in my opinion "crouch jump bug" must not be allowed
2017-07-17 19:51
#365
swag | 
North America Ares872 
just another reason why PGL sucks lol Theres a level of sportsmanship even in CS that BiG obviously cares nothing about. when every other team has a gentlemens agreement to not use the bug but according to Konfig Big turned down C9's first proposal of not using the bug before they went on stage. Just shows BiG have to resort to BM moves in order to even beat C9 LOL now thats sad
2017-07-17 19:58
not BIG's fault. It's Valve's. honestly not even mad that they're using it, hopefully it shows Valve how much their inattention towards the game's finer details hurts its competitive integrity
2017-07-17 20:02
karrigan gentleman choose one
2017-07-17 20:02
#370
shox | 
Europe Mrfloppy 
Comon sk use it too other teams too. Where is the Problem ? Again i Think boost on overpass was Harder then this
2017-07-17 20:17
@Panda - Admin - "makes it similar to one-way smokes and silent jumps". So u mean CTs can basically have unlimited smokes? When you, whether CT or T, can see opponent but he can't see u, it means unfair n is a fundamental game breaking. You don't deserve to be an Admin... if you don't habe basic ethics.
2017-07-17 20:48
#380
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Brazil VAC0 
silent jump: when you jump crouched the heigth is lower. OK one-way smoke: It is an effect similar to glass fumé where only who is inside sees who is outside. OK Jump bug: In the jump you can see the opponent's foot and the opponent sees nothing of you. WTF! physically impossible
2017-07-18 00:09
You kids don't remember but years ago a major decided to not allow the 1.6 bug "silent run" where you tapped +crouch. Players did it on instinct, everything was a mess, it all failed. Also long ago in a major the Nuke box near ramp, where you could throw a flash under and flash the whole room was also forbidden. NoA's elemeNt did it by mistake, they took some rounds from them, shaGuar did a scene. A mess. Of course it has to be legal if it's in the game. It's Valves responsability to fix it. And this isn't old CS, now things get fixed really fast. Complain to Valve not to the tournament.
2017-07-18 01:43
#383
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Norway sparta92 
+1 Was impossible to play esl tho without that silent run crouch :D
2017-07-18 05:37
#384
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Russia m8ms 
not BIG fault. valve, please fix this shit and make good anticheat ffs
2017-07-18 05:52
why would they do it? they just ban them after overwatch report, so they can buy new account every cheater have payed valve more than normal players, pros just suck their money
2017-07-18 12:11
#388
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Russia m8ms 
overwatch doesnt work effective, tbh but agree about there is no economical motivation for valve thats sad
2017-07-18 12:13
So people think that's okay? I haven't been playing for a while but what the fuck? If it gives one player an unfair advantage it shouldn't be allowed. One way smokes have nothing to do with bugs, but rather angles and the smokepattern. That is not the same thing at all. Furthermore, when I say it shouldn't be allowed, I mean for everyone... I don't care who uses it or not, because small things like this have a huge impact on the game being played. No matter how long it's been around. A bug is a bug. Bugs shouldn't be allowed. If it was a single-player speedrun attempt, fine, but in competitive multiplayer games, no. Seriously, what the fuck...
2017-07-18 11:45
#390
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Finland kaviyy 
This is stupid.
2017-07-18 16:02
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