Teams come to agreement not to use "crouch jump"

All 16 teams at the PGL Major Krakow have come to an agreement not to use the crouch jump mechanic that BIG brought to light in their matches against FaZe and Cloud9.

Over the course of the last few months, a new mechanic was brought to light that allowed players to spot over various objects without being seen by using a specific combination of a crouch and a jump.

After the issue was brought up at the Major, the tournament's head admin confirmed that the mechanic was indeed legal, which led to several teams making isolated gentleman's agreements not to use it in their matches.

All teams including BIG agreed not to use the crouch jump mechanic

Later on, more teams came together to discuss the issue in the tournament area, before the conversation was moved behind closed doors with representatives from most of the teams, including BIG.

In the end, all 16 teams present at the Major have come to the agreement not to use the mechanic in the remainder of the tournament, as explained by Scott "SirScoots" Smith, who helped the teams unite on the issue:

RIP big
2017-07-17 23:41
3 replies
+1 RIP BIG
2017-07-17 23:53
#143
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Brazil POISONJR
+1
2017-07-18 00:19
RIP
2017-07-18 04:45
#4
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Germany cartii
Good
2017-07-17 23:41
Rip BIG
2017-07-17 23:41
Yay
2017-07-17 23:41
nice
2017-07-17 23:41
#11
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Poland Shlatter
XD
2017-07-17 23:41
#13
suNny | 
United States VAZ1R
RIP BIG
2017-07-17 23:41
3 replies
They already won their first 2 games because of it.. it's fkn bullshit.
2017-07-18 02:41
2 replies
#185
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Europe haHAA_
haHAA
2017-07-18 03:27
ofc xD
2017-07-18 13:01
Nice
2017-07-17 23:41
BIG 2-3
2017-07-17 23:41
#17
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Algeria NS!
This is BS.......
2017-07-17 23:41
#18
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Russia Q1F
-big
2017-07-17 23:41
Rip big
2017-07-17 23:41
#20
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France Sofio
rip big
2017-07-17 23:41
#21
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United States Apokalypce
C9 died for this
2017-07-17 23:41
11 replies
#72
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Luxembourg fowkingell
C9 wouldve lost anyways
2017-07-17 23:49
10 replies
#86
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Germany LMX_onfire
Big startet on T side and got a 12-3 lead. Jump bug was used by C9 but didnt help much
2017-07-17 23:52
4 replies
And it was used by BIG on t side so.... Ez A hold when you can see short from pit w/o any problems as big players did.
2017-07-18 00:21
Yes, a team that has all of its tactics practically revolving around the bug will generally get more out of it than a fairplay team that's forced to use it in order to still have a chance against aforementioned team.
2017-07-18 00:21
2 replies
so you are saying that BIG was better prepared? i agree.
2017-07-19 01:11
1 reply
Exactly. While all the other teams were preparing tactics and playstyles, BiG was busy finding more spots to abuse the bug. :^)
2017-07-19 12:55
idk I just wish Shroud wasn't forced to play on a potato
2017-07-18 00:00
4 replies
#113
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World Maradonna
you mean shroud wasn't to dumb to ask an admin about his issue? I wish that too bruh!
2017-07-18 00:06
#117
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Spain Alser
2017-07-18 00:06
1 reply
nvm I was misinformed. thankyou spanish friend
2017-07-18 00:11
If only he was smart enough to check beforehand... like everyone else
2017-07-18 00:07
#22
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United Kingdom Thomas278
cool
2017-07-17 23:41
nice
2017-07-17 23:41
BIG 2-3
2017-07-17 23:41
#26
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Brazil prkz0r
RIP BIG 2-3
2017-07-17 23:41
rip BIG 0-3 incoming But good on them for realizing it's a scummy thing to abuse
2017-07-17 23:42
2 replies
2-3 you mean?
2017-07-18 00:33
1 reply
I meant 0-3 from this point on, but yes 2-3 overall
2017-07-18 00:33
Why? Crouch Jump? Ok make an agreement on 1 way smokes pls
2017-07-17 23:41
8 replies
1 way smokes are easy to counter man
2017-07-17 23:42
7 replies
#62
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Brazil prkz0r
yea, spray the smoke dahhh
2017-07-17 23:47
This crouchjump too. Alternate attax already found smokes to counter that jump. Get real bois. Big isnt 2-0 only cause they use the jump
2017-07-17 23:49
5 replies
#173
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Ukraine Bidus
No, they aren't, but they earned reputation of cheaters and not trustworthy.
2017-07-18 02:23
4 replies
But it's not cheating. It's a small exploit in the game which every player aims to find. Immortals did it first btw
2017-07-18 02:55
2 replies
#182
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Ukraine Bidus
So they had advantage over teams that didn't know it. You have different understanding of word "fairplay" I guess.
2017-07-18 02:56
1 reply
What if you find a 1 way smoke? is that not fair? lmao ur argument just crumbled. its an exploit in the game mechanics, get mad at valve not BiG, would you not use it in a major lmao
2017-07-18 17:43
#186
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Europe haHAA_
haHAA
2017-07-18 03:28
#30
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Finland MarcusXGod
BiG 2-3 confirmed Kappa
2017-07-17 23:41
#31
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United States MaceCS
Lol good one BUG. They still gonna use it 100%
2017-07-17 23:42
#32
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Europe mlok401
BIG 2-3 inc. :))
2017-07-17 23:42
Finally...
2017-07-17 23:42
#36
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United States C_BIG
BIG just lost their competitive edge lol
2017-07-17 23:42
nice
2017-07-17 23:42
Big 2-3 hahaha ez
2017-07-17 23:42
Big 2-3 confirmed
2017-07-17 23:42
#43
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Poland Feym
Really nice
2017-07-17 23:42
BIG 2-3 confirmed
2017-07-17 23:42
#45
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Brazil HueyNewton
Great to know about this, happy to see the players acting together
2017-07-17 23:42
"All teams including BIG agreed not to use the crouch jump mechanic" thats fake news lmao, no one even asked them to meet and discuss
2017-07-17 23:43
2 replies
Thats actually true but afterwards all teams gathered again incl. Big
2017-07-17 23:47
after that they were invited too
2017-07-17 23:50
RIP big
2017-07-17 23:43
BIG won't win another game now
2017-07-17 23:43
Yeaaa nice omg such a good thing, but BIG got 2 wins, Atleast they will stop that shit :)
2017-07-17 23:43
#51
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Germany Bennime
good. Big doesnt deserve thsi h8. They made it worse for themself by defending themself the whole time instead of just go with everyone else. gl big in the next game believe you will still come out victorious
2017-07-17 23:43
1 reply
+1
2017-07-17 23:45
can we do the same in mm pls guys
2017-07-17 23:44
2 replies
hahahahahahahaha
2017-07-18 00:16
best comment so far
2017-07-18 09:32
They should just all use it
2017-07-17 23:46
#56
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Turkey justSyntax
big 2-3 inc
2017-07-17 23:46
Nois
2017-07-17 23:46
Horrible management. "Players agee not to use it" what happens if and when someone will use it in a crucial round on an important game? This issue was already known in the minors and the main qualifier, but Valve and PGL only took action in the middle of the major. This fixes nothing.
2017-07-17 23:47
6 replies
Then they get penalized.
2017-07-17 23:50
5 replies
no they don't.. PGL said it's legal to use it, the "agrement" is just a word, not a contract or terms signed on paper. But I don't think anyone will use it :) That saying, the only thing that would happen is everyone in the community would hate on the team, player. Nothing else imo.
2017-07-17 23:53
4 replies
It's foolish to have the teams gather without PGL admins involved. I realize that PGL initially put out a statement saying the boost is legal but with this having occurred I really hope that they changed their opinion on the matter. I'm sure thats what the majority of the players would want and if they really want it enforced that bad they should have definitely asked PGL to instill a punishment for offenders.
2017-07-17 23:56
3 replies
Perhaps.. but it's a bit strange to just change statement after half a day. Since nothing official from PGL came out that I know of, I assumed it was just players vowing not to use it. But what do I know, i'm just a viewer :D
2017-07-17 23:59
2 replies
I guess neither of us really know because we weren't at the meeting, but I hope that as a viewer PGL would make the right decision and follow up on the agreement with actual punishment.
2017-07-18 00:00
1 reply
I agree with this. Would be better for everyone, not just us :)
2017-07-18 00:06
It's all pre-planned by Valve. they want the players to work together and agree not to use the bug until someone uses it in the finals.
2017-07-17 23:47
make it illegal to use jump on major, ez
2017-07-17 23:48
For all the idiots saying it's not game breaking lol... Check what the pros at the most important tournament of the moment got to say about it.
2017-07-17 23:48
#65
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Brazil PlNGUlM
In my understanding, exploiting bugs is anti-game. In an event of this magnitude this form of cheating can not be tolerated.
2017-07-17 23:48
#66
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CIS sergioff
RIP BIG
2017-07-17 23:48
#67
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Brazil rauni90001
RIP BIG
2017-07-17 23:48
haha rip cheaters only winning because bug abusing 2-3 inc
2017-07-17 23:49
#70
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Brazil metzu
2017-07-17 23:49
#71
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Paraguay mcraepy
RIP Big
2017-07-17 23:49
RIP BIG 2-3
2017-07-17 23:49
BIG will go 3-0 anyways. This jumbug is just a gimmick.
2017-07-17 23:50
#79
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Germany crippz
Haha, some silver scrubs really think that BIG just won their games because of that jump bug... classic cs community
2017-07-17 23:51
#80
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Turkey DebbSoray
what about this arrogant cocky guy? twitter.com/SK_fer/status/88703328298197..
2017-07-17 23:51
4 replies
#87
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Brazil Juneco
Msl said it too Cry is free
2017-07-17 23:52
2 replies
#95
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Turkey DebbSoray
Msl is arrogant cocky too and if you defend this tweet just because fer is brazilian, you are stupid. I'm just telling.
2017-07-17 23:54
1 reply
+1 fer Try to look like a joke all the time..... tsc tsc
2017-07-18 00:19
#104
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Germany crippz
BIG vs. SK for the first playoff spot tomorrow and tabseN gonna show fer how to play, that the the dream!
2017-07-17 23:59
#81
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Brazil Juneco
Rip german dream
2017-07-17 23:51
#82
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Germany BIG2020
BIG 3-0 inc
2017-07-17 23:51
#84
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Brazil rickz1996
Good to see teams united :D
2017-07-17 23:52
#91
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Brazil conradosu
BIG is over now lol
2017-07-17 23:53
#93
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Portugal dracø
Ffs, now valve wont fix this shit
2017-07-17 23:53
2 replies
Hard to fix when the devs are at the major. So take this 4Head my portuguese friend
2017-07-18 00:17
1 reply
#158
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Portugal dracø
>If everyone agrees not to use it in the next tournaments as well there is no need to fix it Csgo devs logic :(
2017-07-18 00:33
#94
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United States vaporwave
BIG 2-3 LUL
2017-07-17 23:54
BIG "no chance my friend" anymore xD Kidding, BIG are pretty good even without it.
2017-07-17 23:54
Nice
2017-07-17 23:55
#100
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Brazil wnttl
RIP BIG 2-3
2017-07-17 23:57
BIG from 2-0 to 2-3 eks deee
2017-07-17 23:57
ban all the twitter kids pls: Konfig Magisk Simple fer ty my friends csgo needs age 21 pls ty.
2017-07-17 23:58
5 replies
Fer is like 25 what are you talking about? and I happen to like his brutal type of comedy. I know some times he's just being a dick but other times he's quite comical.
2017-07-18 00:06
2 replies
in his head he is 12 thats the problem.
2017-07-18 00:15
1 reply
Well, it's too bad that does come out in his CS play...
2017-07-18 00:17
Fer was joking, but I understand you.
2017-07-18 02:49
#197
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Yugoslavia mrmojo
<3 fer tweets he totally rekt them :)
2017-07-18 07:46
i'm sure faze and cloud9 are happy about this now xD
2017-07-17 23:58
#109
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Poland c1eslak
It's too late... FaZe and C9 lost because this bug.
2017-07-18 00:01
2 replies
#112
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Germany crippz
Cloud9 used it against BIG aswell and NiKo used it at Starladder Series months ago. Stop talking shit!
2017-07-18 00:06
#188
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Europe haHAA_
haHAA
2017-07-18 03:29
What is going to happen is BIG will lose tomorrow and the entire HLTV community will lose their shit. They will lose again the next day (which means they will be 2-2). And again the entire HLTV community will lose their shit. Finally, they will win and go 3-2 and absolutely nothing will happen and everyone will lose their shit because absolutely nothing will have happened...
2017-07-18 00:05
Sad to see BIG's massive achievement being downplayed and ignored by people because of this one caveat.
2017-07-18 00:07
2 replies
#175
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Ukraine Bidus
Don't use a bug next time and your achievements will not be diminished? Kinda logical isn't it?
2017-07-18 02:29
1 reply
#189
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Europe haHAA_
haHAA
2017-07-18 03:30
Imagine if BiG 2-3 actually happens
2017-07-18 00:13
nice to see this; it didn't even affect the game anywhere near the levels people are exaggerating it to, anyway.
2017-07-18 00:14
10 replies
#145
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Brazil R_ananias
I beg to differ! That little wall on banana is the perfect to place to do it and NeX abused that a lot on T side versus C9. And that shit doesn't even make a sound!
2017-07-18 00:20
9 replies
Perhaps if the game was closer it would be a more relevant issue, but, as it stands, C9 were never in that game bug abuse or not. Besides, a soundless jump-spot already exists that people have been using for some time - the fact that with this version you can't be seen is the problem. If BIG had been abusing it on CT to, say, have one player B, that would be a different case entirely.
2017-07-18 00:26
8 replies
#176
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Ukraine Bidus
Maybe it wasn't closer because the bug gives advantage? Stop defending action that can give a lot of information for ONE team.
2017-07-18 02:31
1 reply
-there was no ruling not to abuse the bug prior to the match -C9 could have used it themselves in the same fashion
2017-07-18 12:18
#198
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Yugoslavia mrmojo
Did you actually see the game? There was a moment when someone from BIG was using the bug in banana and clearly saw 2 c9 players when they didn't see or hear him and just prefired both. That is a clear advantage and there were many other instances where the bug really helped them win. Around the cart at A site is another great example. Also you can see BuG really mastered using this bug where c9 just used it out of frustration and didn't really know how to gain similar advantages.
2017-07-18 07:52
5 replies
I couldn't watch the whole game, no, but I have seen clips of BIG using the bug and none of them were ultimately game changing; C9 got outplayed whether the bug abuse is accounted for or not.
2017-07-18 12:21
4 replies
>i haven't watched the game >i know better what happened than someone who watched the game. On T BiG abused it to absolute shit in pit, effectively completely cutting off short without a single risk. The bug was the main reason they won.
2017-07-18 13:39
3 replies
"i haven't watched the game" not sure where you got that from, nor the conclusion you reached as a result. You're greatly exaggerating it, you can already do a soundless jump-peek behind pit wall and show your head for such a small time that you're impossible to kill. Try not to spew bullshit, it massively discredits any argument you present.
2017-07-18 14:23
2 replies
Show your head? Like...giving the spotted player equal information about positions? Oh my..
2017-07-18 15:31
1 reply
Yes, exactly, the ONLY difference is the jump spotter can't be seen when abusing the bug. You seem to disregard the fact it's being used in very common CT and post-plant positions that players will, if not check, absolutely be aware of. As such, while it obviously results in an unfair way to obtain information without giving away your position - if the regular soundless version was used the outcome would likely be the same.
2017-07-18 15:52
BIG dishonest pLAYERS
2017-07-18 00:14
cs go !!!! best game in hall word :D come on cs 1.6 double duck lel :D
2017-07-18 00:14
1 reply
csgo pros more cringey than cs1.6 pros
2017-07-18 06:13
Since PGL is not going to do anything, the players are the who have to save fairplay. Congratz
2017-07-18 00:15
BabyRage BIG cheating! how could tier 3 team beat us BabyRage
2017-07-18 00:15
valve devs not able to remove crouch bug. sad story bro better get some professionals gaben
2017-07-18 00:16
When you are already 2-0 it's easy to agree to not use the bug anymore lol
2017-07-18 00:16
#136
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United States joke_cs
Thank god we have awesome players that can come to a decision like this. Fix your fucking game valve was hard to even watch the major today with the dumb ass bug in the back of my mind.
2017-07-18 00:17
RIP BIG ;D
2017-07-18 00:17
#140
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United States CWalker
Glad they did agree to it, but I hope BIG shows their tactics and skills are really why they're succeeding.
2017-07-18 00:17
Love how people are calling out BIG for doing it, having made no prior agreement not to do it... Yet completely fail to pull up on teams that supposedly agreed not to do it... But still did it anyway. Hi SK.
2017-07-18 00:18
I think it is the best option to agree that nobody uses it at all. I like BiG, but this bug had nothing to do with finding out new ways to play (like the penta runboosts at their first major) because it just takes away part of the skill and tactics. I don't like the player internal hate that was building up towards Big though. If a team uses this now, even if it is just a single time they should get a shitstorm for it because it's laughable when teams would still do it at crucial moments.
2017-07-18 00:24
What Manner Of Sissyness Is This?
2017-07-18 00:33
BIG going to 2-3 now They are nothing without this wh bug
2017-07-18 00:39
1 reply
This is seriously stupid, they have great tactics, great igl by gob b and tabseN.
2017-07-18 08:32
I wouldn't be surprised if BIG still used the crouch jump bug lol. They have nothing to lose aside from getting shamed, and I don't know how much they care about their "reputation". I'm not taking away their credit from beating FaZe and Cloud9 because everybody else could have used the same bug, but we all know that the crouch jump bug can change a round.
2017-07-18 01:04
BiG's PR is ruined right now. They will be remembered as the team who got 2 wins only because of this bug.
2017-07-18 01:10
1 reply
ofc , they just won coz of this :D omfg
2017-07-18 01:15
i know what gob b was thinking while they were having the agreement
2017-07-18 01:41
Soon big 2-0 -> 2-3
2017-07-18 02:13
1 reply
#187
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Germany BIG2020
2-0 -> 3-0
2017-07-18 03:28
Actually it's really great to see players cooperating on this kind of issue, In other reallife sports pros would abuse the shit out of whatever it is
2017-07-18 02:16
BIG has on it's own hands the chance to make people forget about the exploit with some good CS or make it into another Olof boost situation for a Major.
2017-07-18 02:36
BIG 2:3, out
2017-07-18 05:20
#BIGSHAMECS
2017-07-18 05:43
#199
b1t | 
Yugoslavia mrmojo
You cannot know if BIG would win both matches without using that bug. Yes they played well, but not insanely well and even if you aren't pro it was obvious that bug was helping them a lot. Information is key, being able to prefire a guy and put numbers in your favor is even more key. Most here can't know what goes trough players' heads when someone is abusing a bug against you. You can't play relaxed it just fucks you up when you they get an unfair advantage and you can't even see them. It was obvious specially when watching the c9 match that they were aware BIG will abuse that bug and it showed in how c9 played. I don't even like c9, but they showed at Cologne that they can do good against even the best (SK) and shouldn't be losing to a team like BIG. I hope for BIG they win another match or they will be public enemy number 1. Pretty typical for germans to do something like this. All the way back to 1.6 they were always dirty, cheating, abusing bugs, etc.
2017-07-18 08:00
why not agree to not use scout jumps run and gun pistols aimlocks this is brainshit "D
2017-07-18 08:04
Everybody knew this bug at least since the minor and since it's still legal it was pretty sure they would use it here, but nobody gave a fuck about it before the major (maybe unterestimating BIG?). Now they aren't able to beat them (while using it too sometimes) and some "pros" start a witchhunt before they even talk to them. Really hope they will get one more win or at least show great games against the big teams.
2017-07-18 08:48
Can u exlpain or better send a video what does it mean??
2017-07-18 09:07
BiG allready exploited this at the minor, it's just stupid it hasnt been fixed by valve before the major or made illegal by PGL. This has been tve worst major ever imo, PGL sucks.
2017-07-18 09:08
valve being shitheads not fixing it in time, now BIG had to suffer in public from those little crybabies... to hell with this agreement
2017-07-18 10:02
who cares about a gentlemens agreement rofl , u cant be that stupid to fall for that BIG, just do it, valve wont ban u and ull get paid rofllllllllll 500k on the line looooool u just be dreaming look at tf2 exploits that delfy shows get immediately patched ololol
2017-07-18 10:42
plenty are now condemning BIG while not long ago only so little even cared about the blatant cheating in the pro scene. people surely have some great sense of honor and justice. and big to be the only team having used this "bug" in the previous matches? impossible.
2017-07-18 10:52
BiG will still use it despite the gentlemen's agreement BiG = pussies!
2017-07-18 10:54
1 reply
Yep, they're cowards that can't play fair.
2017-07-18 23:04
Expected
2017-07-18 12:41
#231
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United States Clayburg
When thinking of this we shouldn't be made at BIG, we should be mad at Valve for allowing these bugs to stay in the game. The Same thing goes for one way smokes.
2017-07-18 20:50
1 reply
Its not that easy to remove the bug in a day or even in a weak
2017-07-18 23:45
2017-07-18 23:44
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#241
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Slovenia Pitr_d_K
Pretty sure you can see his head
2017-07-19 00:12
#237
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Poland Trausky
BIG is shit
2017-07-18 23:45
1 reply
clean toilet Vp is shit
2017-07-19 00:26
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