seized: "I think roster changes are necessary"

Natus Vincere captain Denis "seized" Kostin has acknowledged that roster changes "are necessary" for the team to overcome their current slump of form.

The Russian player's comments come in the wake of Na`Vi's elimination from PGL Major Krakow in the fourth round of the Swiss stage following defeats to G2, Immortals and fnatic.

seized hints at roster changes

After eight consecutive playoff appearances at Majors, Natus Vincere have lost their Legend status, and Denis "seized" Kostin admits that changes could be in the pipeline following a trophyless period that goes back as far as ESL One New York 2016.

"Changes? Yes, I think they are necessary, but I do not know what they could be," seized said in an interview for Na`Vi's Youtube channel.

"I have a couple of thoughts in my head [about what changes are needed], I think I cannot fulfil the captain role in the long run.

"It's best if the team has another leader, but I do not see anyone else from our team who can do it. Therefore, it must be someone who is already a captain.

"In CS:GO, the current best captains have been playing for 10 or 15 years, and they have been captain for most of their career. There are no examples of captains appearing out of nowhere."

seized then confessed that he would like for Na`Vi to re-sign Danylo "Zeus" Teslenko, who was replaced by Aleksandr "s1mple" Kostyliev in August 2016 and has gone on to help Gambit to win two DreamHack Open titles and to reach the playoffs at two consecutive Majors.

"It is a difficult question," he said. "Yes, [I'd want to see him return as captain].

The Russian player has averaged a 0.93 Rating in offline matches since the start of the year, which has earned him plenty of criticism from fans. 

Questioned about his dip in form, he stressed that he can put in great performances again "without certain circumstances."

"I realize that I have been underperforming lately, but I know that I can play as well as I did a year ago," he noted.

"Those circumstances include being an ingame leader and doing other things within the team.

"If the team decides to kick me, then that's the way it has to be. I will accept any decision, but I know that, if I get removed and join another team, I will play at the same level as before."

Meanwhile, s1mple echoed seized's sentiments, writing on Twitter: "There will be changes to the team." 

Russia Denis 'seized' Kostin
Denis 'seized' Kostin
Age:
25
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.99
Maps played:
1224
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.15
Ukraine Danylo 'Zeus' Teslenko
Danylo 'Zeus' Teslenko
Age:
31
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.92
Maps played:
1400
KPR:
0.63
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.17
Ukraine Aleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev
Aleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev
Age:
21
Rating 1.0:
1.23
Maps played:
1035
KPR:
0.85
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.11
#1
 | 
Poland Snacer1337 
-seized pls
2017-07-20 21:07
RIP seized
2017-07-20 21:07
#44
ruler | 
Brazil VAMOUZ 
-edward -seized -Guardian +electronic +b1ad3 +waylandeR waylander + electronic default riflers b1ad3 igl s1mple awper Flamie Lurker
2017-07-20 21:10
#52
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Sweden historia 
waylander lul
2017-07-20 21:11
#176
 | 
India TYZ4 
+1 That guy has one good game per ten thousand games.
2017-07-20 21:48
#248
 | 
Romania Vladootzz 
he played good in his last 3 games, stfu, he's good, everyone has bad games
2017-07-20 22:33
#264
shox | 
Sweden Mullbert 
Yeah. Not everyone has only bad games and then 3 good games though
2017-07-20 22:42
#265
 | 
Romania Vladootzz 
he will be good in next games i guarantee you
2017-07-20 22:43
He'll probably just smash the table again
2017-07-21 00:28
#341
 | 
United States STERBENVII 
LMFAO Waylander is horrible, gives the other team so many rounds because of his tilt
2017-07-21 00:31
Have you seen his statistic? Jump to his player profile; At best he's average, even when he is playing the game of his life, he is just slightly above average.. However when he's having a bad game, he doesn't even show up to the match.
2017-07-21 00:36
dude waylander is terrible, but good enough for any tier 1-2 team tbh
2017-07-21 12:43
#459
 | 
Sweden historia 
LOL. Good for 1 game trash for 6 months
2017-07-21 11:24
Well guardian has 0 good games
2017-07-21 04:45
#445
oskar | 
Czech Republic SteveCZ 
0/8
2017-07-21 10:20
Spotted the guardian fangirl who thinks it's still 2015
2017-07-21 10:37
it's not true!
2017-07-21 17:04
B1ad3 lul
2017-07-20 21:15
#81
Nifty | 
Ukraine kojuh 
Blad3 , aaxaxaxaxax
2017-07-20 21:17
#83
ruler | 
Brazil VAMOUZ 
dude they need an igl... since zeus left their play style has been fragging..
2017-07-20 21:18
#157
 | 
Sweden Tomakt1 
ange1 is a much better choice
2017-07-20 21:40
#211
 | 
Sweden LimeyGaming 
So they can go "RASH B!!!!" as their default strat?
2017-07-20 22:07
#435
 | 
Norway C9suso 
=+{
2017-07-21 09:29
#446
oskar | 
Czech Republic SteveCZ 
that's a good strat though :(
2017-07-21 10:20
#213
 | 
United Kingdom M0rr1s 
+1
2017-07-20 22:09
#214
huyak | 
Russia 50bombs 
+hooch pls
2017-07-20 22:09
ahahahahahaahahaahahhaahahahaahhaaha nt hooch
2017-07-20 22:21
#348
mir | 
Russia faos 
hooch one of the best igl`s of CIS
2017-07-21 00:58
+1
2017-07-21 03:09
#447
oskar | 
Czech Republic SteveCZ 
says a lot about CIS
2017-07-21 10:21
#515
 | 
World aagii247 
U are cis hahaha
2017-07-22 16:43
#516
oskar | 
Czech Republic SteveCZ 
no I'm not
2017-07-22 16:45
#527
 | 
World aagii247 
Ok wannabe Eu
2017-08-06 22:22
#528
oskar | 
Czech Republic SteveCZ 
alright geography grandmaster
2017-08-07 18:08
#251
 | 
Argentina W0LFy[RushB] 
Re-sign Markeloff -edward/seized +Markeloff MarkeloffBack
2017-07-20 22:34
#394
 | 
Serbia R4ngO 
Kucher
2017-07-21 04:06
#467
NEO | 
Denmark felpv1ceH 
hooch lol,nice bait.
2017-07-21 11:49
#229
 | 
United States GLITCH^QP 
+1
2017-07-20 22:21
Ange1 is one of the co-owners of hellraisers, so he won't leave
2017-07-21 19:56
#503
 | 
Sweden Tomakt1 
he can retain partial ownership or he can sell his stake off, it doesnt matter
2017-07-21 20:57
#89
 | 
Russia Misha_LOL 
waylander 0.94 roflimao
2017-07-20 21:19
#92
ruler | 
Brazil VAMOUZ 
he used to be the main carry of gambit, even better than AdreN + dosia combined, but then he started falling step by step and got replaced, and since then hasn't played well, however he's been playing well the past 2-3 weeks
2017-07-20 21:20
agree, it's actually really great player, but he is not fit in flipsid3 and did not fit good in gambit. It's a bit compares to s1mple, like when s1mple fits team (or actually team fits s1mple :D) and have a lot of space to work with and then he is not (like in navi). Waylander as s1mple need a lot of space and freedom to be good and it's not possible in much structured teams with little freedom.
2017-07-21 12:28
#93
VINI | 
Brazil AntiNIP 
-Edward and +electronic would make perfect sense tbh
2017-07-20 21:23
#96
ruler | 
Brazil VAMOUZ 
"I have a couple of thoughts in my head [about what changes are needed], I think I cannot fulfil the captain role in the long run.
2017-07-20 21:22
#108
 | 
Germany Zanooda 
+Starix -seized and NaVi will be great again :p
2017-07-20 21:25
Nothing against that thought
2017-07-20 21:46
Weeks
2017-07-22 10:49
#281
 | 
Turkey Shanon 
Nice to see some guy who has same thoughs with me cuz i've been saying this for weeks ffs.
2017-07-20 22:56
#468
NEO | 
Denmark felpv1ceH 
3 awpers,and starix is bullshit with rifles
2017-07-21 11:50
How to ruin Navi in 6 steps....
2017-07-20 21:24
#104
ruler | 
Brazil VAMOUZ 
aren't they already shit?
2017-07-20 21:24
Everything can be worse just look on NIP....
2017-07-20 21:25
#132
 | 
Russia xtkjdtr01 
Lmao
2017-07-20 21:33
#242
 | 
Spain Sperants 
Sick
2017-07-20 22:31
#131
 | 
Turkey CamelotzZz 
Hahahahaha laughed so hard. Edward>waylander Seized>blade
2017-07-20 21:33
#385
 | 
Russia Razor_88 
in aim seized maybe a little better than blad3, but in strats blad3 10 times better than seized
2017-07-21 03:47
#386
 | 
Turkey CamelotzZz 
They cant carry 2 player since waylander is complete shit and showing up 1 match out of 10
2017-07-21 03:49
#387
 | 
Turkey CamelotzZz 
and also there is Zeus who is much much better both aimwise and tacticwise
2017-07-21 03:49
#449
oskar | 
Czech Republic SteveCZ 
yeah but Zeus is doing much better now, than if he was in Navi or Flipside. Why would he give a fuck
2017-07-21 10:24
#507
 | 
Canada |Frog 
+1
2017-07-22 04:36
It would make everything worse.just kick guardian or seized and get blade or angel . i dont think zeus would like to comeback
2017-07-20 22:01
It would make everything worse.just kick guardian or seized and get blade or angel . i dont think zeus would like to comeback
2017-07-20 22:01
Nt allu pls change your flag we know it is you
2017-07-20 22:12
lol.. u are stupid kid xDDDDDDDDDDDD
2017-07-20 22:31
#266
 | 
New Zealand phpsolid 
Guardian, it's only a bad phase. But he's a CSGO legend.
2017-07-20 22:43
I don't know why GuardiaN is praised so much. He actually misses 100% chances very often. I think the past two months he played better but for me he isn't a top 5 AWPer. He is overrated!
2017-07-20 23:29
#324
GuardiaN | 
Sweden kvNr 
hey look kids, a pleb
2017-07-20 23:40
Just saying the truth
2017-07-20 23:41
#484
 | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Mancow 
People go easy on him for being an ancient beast, but recently nothing but average
2017-07-21 14:13
#484
 | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Mancow 
Mistake, text copied itself 2 more timr
2017-07-21 14:15
#484
 | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Mancow 
People go easy on him for being an ancient beast, but recently nothing but average
2017-07-21 14:13
Thank you! He may have carried Navi to two major finals but that was it. The rest of the time he plays average or even below.
2017-07-21 14:26
#450
oskar | 
Czech Republic SteveCZ 
He carried Navi to major finals twice bro
2017-07-21 10:25
Yes but now he isn't that good anymore
2017-07-21 11:41
Get_Right also sucks and he is a legend the same with friberg but he still were kicked cuz "Legend status" only counts in ads
2017-07-21 10:21
#311
 | 
Finland Smoonah 
blad3 lmfao
2017-07-20 23:20
#322
 | 
United States Moosk 
S1mple would not want to be lead under blad3's strict style.
2017-07-20 23:35
#331
 | 
Germany cylerion 
stay with edward, he is really good support player with experience
2017-07-20 23:57
#360
 | 
Russia RIGBOS_1 
blade dude
2017-07-21 01:46
how bout pachanga?
2017-07-21 02:13
#451
oskar | 
Czech Republic SteveCZ 
entertaining Semmler is not Navi's primary goal
2017-07-21 10:27
#390
 | 
Europe m9_ 
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
2017-07-21 04:04
+dosia
2017-07-21 05:39
- Edward + mir
2017-07-21 11:14
sounds ok
2017-07-21 11:26
Yes, add one more tilting inconsistent crybaby, and flamie will not feel lonely himself.
2017-07-21 11:28
#493
 | 
Spain c0c00n 
Please...b1ad3...the worst igl in the scene. Not only bad igl, look his stats in last 2 years...
2017-07-21 16:25
#196
 | 
Netherlands iLevi 
-edward -seized Pay dosia 1 million dollars for zeus +electronic Electronic Guardian S1mple Flamie Zeus This is assuming that zeus can go full man mode on s1mple.
2017-07-20 21:59
wow, It's good idea :O
2017-07-20 22:32
#261
 | 
Argentina W0LFy[RushB] 
Add markeloff
2017-07-20 22:38
zeus won't go back to na'vi 10/10 +ANGE1 guardian probably will leave too and will go to FaZe (-BOTallu) S1mple Electronic ANGE1 Flamie Edward
2017-07-20 23:04
#299
 | 
Slovakia SLAVak 
or he will go to HR if FaZe want to keep Allu... if HR get a good AWPer they might make it far in Majors...
2017-07-20 23:11
FaZe gonna change, they aren't winning anything, and going out 0-3 in major? i think they should kick allu (some say k1o but no, he's good) and bring GuardiaN but yea, there's the brotherhood of slovakians that could be formed in HR which also might attract him :D
2017-07-20 23:14
Lmao did you just put "k1o" and "good" in the same sentence. Nice bait.
2017-07-21 03:53
#452
oskar | 
Czech Republic SteveCZ 
K1o is not good. There.
2017-07-21 10:28
#414
swag | 
Canada akasauva 
Alu is much better than Kio what are you talking about. Kio has been the bottom fragger of Faze in 10 of the last 11 matches they played. Overall, bottom frag in 13 out of the last 17, He is straight up bad, can't compete with the likes of top teams aka Astralis/SK. He's on a top 3 team but can't constantly win duels against any player from top 5 teams.
2017-07-21 06:53
adding: french shufle might influence this too, G2 probably will change something and depending who goes out, this player might end up on FaZe, making GuardiaN's only option to go to HR
2017-07-20 23:17
s1mple to faze ;v Na'vi kick him
2017-07-21 02:28
#439
allu | 
Germany codeX29 
Thats the best idea so far
2017-07-21 09:56
#17
ruler | 
Brazil VAMOUZ 
hahaha poor guy doesn't know he's the one that's going out
2017-07-20 21:07
#43
 | 
World memyselfandI 
Hard to tell. He is an inexperienced IGL, which leads him to heightened focus on tactics, which inevitably makes him less focused on own play.
2017-07-20 21:10
#46
ruler | 
Brazil VAMOUZ 
look #44 give me opinion :)
2017-07-20 21:10
#51
 | 
World memyselfandI 
I can honestly not say anything about that change, as I know too little about the players to come up with something qualified to say.
2017-07-20 21:11
#60
ruler | 
Brazil VAMOUZ 
b1ad3 is one of the greatest igls in CIS, only that he's not consistent fragger, waylander one of best riflers that speaks russian, and electronic do i really have to do say?
2017-07-20 21:12
I would love to see electronic and s1mple in the same team they would dominate.
2017-07-20 21:24
#61
czech | 
Slovakia harek 
he knows
2017-07-20 21:13
really bad top1 hunt
2017-07-20 21:07
#39
 | 
Poland Snacer1337 
why? :/
2017-07-20 21:09
Because you edited it
2017-07-20 21:12
+1 seized is the shit one
2017-07-20 21:07
SEIZED TALKING ABOUT ROSTER CHANGES L U L
2017-07-20 21:07
hah :D
2017-07-20 22:33
+1
2017-07-20 21:07
+1
2017-07-20 22:21
Tbh they should remove Guardian, is not the same Guardian anymore and add Zeus. Zeus (c) edward s1mple (awp) seized flamie
2017-07-20 22:24
#268
 | 
Argentina W0LFy[RushB] 
Zeus (c) S1mple (awp) Electronic Markeloff Edward
2017-07-20 22:44
markeloff wont play with s1mple in one team after their conflict in f3
2017-07-21 00:25
#359
Zajda | 
Europe Zajda 
Zeus won't come back to NaVi
2017-07-21 01:45
- Guardin. + Zeus. S1mple awp
2017-07-20 22:26
#274
Dosia | 
Russia mp- 
Ez -seized +Decoy goo.gl/LijVJV goo.gl/NPydJu
2017-07-20 22:50
I dont think zews is gonna back. If they want another roster i sugest karrigan.
2017-07-21 03:59
#408
 | 
Indonesia BunCit 
NAVI need new IGL .
2017-07-21 05:35
#506
 | 
Lithuania Woozylul 
ha bye Seized
2017-07-22 02:41
-seized +Markeloff , edward can lead u fckin potato aimer
2017-07-22 10:33
who should they add then?
2017-07-20 21:07
#30
 | 
Spain JasonRacism 
Zeus Ange1 AdreN and or Electronic
2017-07-20 21:08
adren wont leave gambit for a non legend team i guess, Gambit is doing fine right now no reason for him to leave
2017-07-20 21:14
#94
 | 
Spain JasonRacism 
Unless S1mple and Flamie join Gambit to replace Mou and Dosia and keep legend status
2017-07-20 21:20
wait what that would ruin navi
2017-07-20 21:26
#126
 | 
Spain JasonRacism 
Oh well, It will most likely be Electronic and Ange1 in the mix to join Na'Vi but who knows maybe Zeus AdreN or H0bbit will be confident they can get legend status again
2017-07-20 21:29
hm a good CIS shuffle would bring some new Fire to the Scene now since FaZe sucks and Astralis and SK the only two Teams are who are likely to win a t1 Tournament
2017-07-20 21:31
#134
 | 
Spain JasonRacism 
FaZe had 1 bad tournament I wouldn't say they suck, Kio defiantly needs to step up though otherwise he could easily be replaced by someone like Valde, Allu always on the chopping block for Oskar or Mixwell, I'm sure FaZe will bounce back just not sure if they will have exact same lineup
2017-07-20 21:33
well at esl one cologne they also really werent in their best form, it just scares me how bad the teamplay overall was i mean if they just dont hit their shots they can fix it easier than the teamplay
2017-07-20 21:37
#338
 | 
Paraguay HighAIching 
Yet they still made semifinals
2017-07-21 00:28
#160
s1mple | 
Australia m3rky 
-kio +who is the question xd
2017-07-20 21:42
Lmao they won the major xd
2017-07-24 03:31
lmao i wrote this before they did xd
2017-07-25 15:25
Ange1 is going to Navi, wonder who is gonna play in HR instead :/
2017-07-20 21:09
#82
 | 
Poland DzonPrice 
Guardian would like to play with styko i think
2017-07-20 21:17
#86
Stewie2K | 
Russia t0ru_ 
Ange1 is one of the co-owners of HR, he won't leave.
2017-07-20 21:18
He is the one and only guy who possibly fits into Navi right now Experienced IGL Best IGL fragging after gla1ve
2017-07-20 21:47
FalleN sends his regards :D
2017-07-20 23:07
#353
 | 
Sweden Madrigals1 
You don't know the truth, actually TACO is igl, didn't you see how smart he looks with those glasses. And his stats are very close to ones that igls have.
2017-07-21 01:13
i'd argue but it's hard to debate against such arguments :/
2017-07-21 04:25
#295
France Dov 
Glaive fragger? when i watch him play, he eithers gets kills from behind or through smoke. You rarely see this guy take 1v1 duels.
2017-07-20 23:09
he is one of best fragging ingame leaders and best one in Denmark, who would you rather see instead of him, Fetish? Hunden? MSL? Berry? E3stag is decent, but not used to high level
2017-07-20 23:32
es3tag xD Snappi's calling on that team bro
2017-07-21 01:50
Hands off Gla1ve. Hes doing great combining leading and damaging role...
2017-07-21 04:48
Really? That sucks, I think Ange1 would be the best replacement for seized. He was also a great fragger back in 1.6 and his current form is pretty good.
2017-07-20 21:54
Styko said, that Ange1 won't leave HR when he was on Thooorin's podcast.
2017-07-21 14:20
Electronic 4 sure
2017-07-20 21:12
#262
 | 
Argentina W0LFy[RushB] 
Markeloff
2017-07-20 22:39
At least he knows he has to leave
2017-07-20 21:07
He always knew it
2017-07-20 21:59
#321
 | 
United States CWalker 
Which is a good thing team chemistry wise.
2017-07-20 23:35
#4
 | 
Poland cebulae 
LMAOOO
2017-07-20 21:07
#5
f0rest | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Fackyyy 
NUB
2017-07-20 21:07
#8
TACO | 
Denmark j[v] 
i aren't think that
2017-07-20 21:07
Free simple You guys kicked Zeus and he will not come back to navi
2017-07-20 21:08
True and it's so funny that after they kicked him Navi started to suck and now gambit has gone major playoffs two times in row when zeus joined.
2017-07-20 22:22
#425
 | 
Russia coolakaoff 
3 times in a row I think, or?
2017-07-21 08:16
two times the first was with hooch
2017-07-21 10:00
And they won with zeus closing the last map out
2017-07-24 03:32
unfortunately he is the one to be removed if so
2017-07-20 21:07
#11
 | 
Afghanistan aTaKaNGO 
NO GOD, PLEASE NO (-seized pls)
2017-07-20 21:07
#13
 | 
China Captain_TYLOO 
-seized
2017-07-20 21:07
HE SAID IT
2017-07-20 21:07
#15
 | 
World imbtrams 
he was replaced by s1mple though
2017-07-20 21:07
#16
KRIMZ | 
Denmark slacking 
oh snap
2017-07-20 21:07
BYE SEIZED!
2017-07-20 21:07
#22
 | 
Lithuania Paulius_CS 
yes
2017-07-20 21:07
#23
fer | 
United Kingdom DJ_Nr8 
[*] RIP, bye seized you dont deserve this ;/
2017-07-20 21:07
seized are think right
2017-07-20 21:07
#26
Thorin | 
United Kingdom Weldo 
Yes -seized lmao
2017-07-20 21:07
Funny how the player that should be replaced is the one calling for roster changes lol
2017-07-20 21:08
#139
 | 
Russia xtkjdtr01 
Why he should be replaced? Because navi management ruined his career? Are u retarded?
2017-07-20 21:36
If you don't know, seized was one of initiators of kicking Zeus. It was proved by a few persons who used to work on NaVi.
2017-07-20 21:42
#166
 | 
Russia xtkjdtr01 
Sad
2017-07-20 21:43
#491
 | 
Netherlands EliteBekkers 
And kicking Zeus would've been fine if the coach rules didn't change.
2017-07-21 16:23
First, It could be the game 6v6 (with coaches), not 5v5. And I think this rule was/is right. In every big sports coaches can't control all the game, but they can change tactics and players. In e-sports coaches used to control every move by their teams and it's not ok. Second, NaVi has players with big "ambitions", they thought they could be much better with 1 more great striker. And what do we see right now? Only s1mple can be named as a great striker, but the others don't even fit to the teams from the bottom of Tier1. And yes, I think they fit maximum to the team from the top of Tier2 (I'm about Edward, seized, Gurdian and flamie). Anyway, we have some gossips about only s1mple will stay in NaVi and the others will be kicked. They deserved it for their vainglory. P.S. I don't hate NaVi, but I think changes should have been made half a year ago.
2017-07-21 16:40
#496
 | 
Netherlands EliteBekkers 
Whether the coach rule or not was justified, does not change it heavily screwed NaVi. Kicking Zeus was a good plan if it didn't happen. Seized's performance can't be judged now considering how he dropped off after having to IGL. I'd rather see how everybody performs under a new IGL.
2017-07-21 16:43
It was a bad plan a year ago. Everybody understood that NaVi didn't have a player to replace Zeus as a IGL. May be, they thought coach can replace IGL and it could be like 5 strikers and a coach, who makes tactics. But, they have kicked starix, who is really good IGL/coach, cuz he used to be a second IGL in NaVi in 1.6. They have replaced starix by Andi, who wasn't a good player in the past, he wasn't IGL at all in the top teams. These two kicks could not affect NaVi, but the team became worse by themselves.
2017-07-21 16:52
#498
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Netherlands EliteBekkers 
They kicked starix after the coach rule because it didn't work out. If the coach rule never happened, Zeus kick was fine, s1mple would've added a ton of firepower and they would have starix as IGL.
2017-07-21 16:54
But now we see Gambit in top4 already and NaVi, who didn't manage to get top8 with their 1-3 games.
2017-07-21 16:56
You must be retarded for even asking this lmao. seized is a poor IGL and taking on the leader responsibilities has negatively affected his fragging. He either needs to be relieved of his IGL-duty or he needs to be replaced. NaVi's issue isn't exactly a lack of firepower.
2017-07-20 21:42
#167
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Russia xtkjdtr01 
Ok kid
2017-07-20 21:44
Hows that funny? Its more than clear that they need changes regardless of who is it
2017-07-20 21:38
Regardless of who is it? It doesn't really work like that, it matters who you replace. NaVi has the firepower, they are lacking on the leading and tactical aspect.
2017-07-20 21:47
What I meant is every player (regardless of who is it) of the team knows that theres a problem with them and they need roster changes. Imo not necessary Seized must go, he was good before he took the IGL role, but hes not experienced enough for that.
2017-07-20 22:05
Best option would be -seized +angel and -guardian +electronic
2017-07-21 04:54
guess somebody is going to be removed to make space for a proper IGL
2017-07-20 21:08
Tyloo somebody? Nice one blyat
2017-07-21 05:17
#29
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World rainsje 
-navi FaZe Guardian and s1mple
2017-07-20 21:08
-seized +ANGE1
2017-07-20 21:08
#32
fer | 
Brazil _Spike_Br_ 
-s1mple +Zeus
2017-07-20 21:08
lul. s1mple best in Navi. And one of the best in the world.
2017-07-21 01:08
you will play with a man who will destroy teamwork, do not respect the opinion of teammates ? I'm talking about the s1mple. My friend
2017-07-21 08:52
You don't know what you're talking about. If you knew Russian and could see the interview with him (for example on Zeus channel), you would understand how wrong you are.
2017-07-24 02:13
Yep, just finished watch this interview, if he does everything that he says, I take my words back.
2017-07-24 14:13
- SEIZED
2017-07-20 21:08
pentagram
2017-07-20 21:08
#35
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Sweden Donger89 
Yea -seized
2017-07-20 21:09
#36
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Poland Jaldokin 
-seized +zeus
2017-07-20 21:09
LOL the worst player in the team saying that chances are necessary
2017-07-20 21:09
Maybe because he's a captain?
2017-07-20 21:15
#124
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Ukraine ConTriiD 
Dumb favella can't see he's just forced to play role he isn't fit for. Still quality player
2017-07-20 21:28
#318
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Italy steven513 
+1 he played well in events in 2015-2016, but the forced role really took a toll on his individual performance.
2017-07-20 23:33
#332
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Ukraine ConTriiD 
Thanks friend
2017-07-21 00:02
"forced role", he was the one that kicked zeuz....
2017-07-21 03:36
#413
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Italy steven513 
So? That didn't mean that he wanted to be IGL
2017-07-21 06:36
#492
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Netherlands EliteBekkers 
When they thought they could use starix as IGL, before the coaching rule stepped in. Stop acting like they kicked Zeus without an IGL planned.
2017-07-21 16:24
Damn cyka blyat no need to insult, haha He is the captain so he is supose to assume his mistakes like when he kicked Zeus and changed the positions. Seized even said that now he wants Zeus back as captain, that's just retard
2017-07-21 13:12
#520
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Ukraine ConTriiD 
1. He was not made captain when the roster change happens 2. Starix was captain/IGL when change made, short time after volvo say no more 6th man (coach calling mid round) What this means it was not his mistakes made, instead unfortunate timing where his is force into bad spot
2017-07-24 03:27
#38
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United States 7TH_HLTV_ACC 
OMG ... CIS SHUFFLE
2017-07-20 21:09
#40
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Portugal cufwipe 
Its Guardian whos gonna leave. Simple to take the awp...
2017-07-20 21:09
Seized is obviously the weakest player atm, Zeus was also a better IGL although he sucked at fragging... Like seized atm. Overall considering both suck at fragging, Zeus > Seized since hes a better IGL
2017-07-20 21:10
Seized will play better if he isnt calling
2017-07-20 21:34
#319
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Italy steven513 
+1
2017-07-20 23:33
Seized was one of the best supports in CIS region before IGL and was the 2nd best player on old navi for a while, he even said that taking IGL role has burdened him and made him underperform. I think he will get back to previous level if someone else IGLs. Navi needs someone like him who can lurk/clutch/get info and do the dirty work or else you're going to see someone like fucking s1mple lurking again instead of playing his best spots.
2017-07-20 22:02
There's no solution then. Guardian obviously won't be removed, S1mple is their best player atm, Edward performed well in this major, all thats left is flamie and seized...
2017-07-20 22:04
Well it has to be -seized or -edward because unless you are replacing guardian (and forcing s1mple to be main awp) there is no one else on the spot and you can get away with just one support. It is sad and hard though because these two are the best supports in the CIS region, pistol king Edward is a very solid veteran player and seized was probably the best support in CIS before taking on the IGL role and was great at lurking/clutching/2ndary awping, does all the dirty work in the background and is very versatile. IMO edward is more replaceable then seized, I don't see edward taking the spots seized used to do (which is why you still see seized lurking quite a lot as a IGL and even have players like s1mple put into flank/lurk duty a lot) and willing to constantly lurk and flank and get map control for info.
2017-07-20 22:08
LOL Zeus isn't gonna leave for a worse team. should be -seized +ANGE1
2017-07-20 21:10
#494
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Netherlands EliteBekkers 
NaVi with Zeus > Gambit with Zeus
2017-07-21 16:25
cause he know they will kick him first XDDDD
2017-07-20 21:11
#48
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Finland hltv_b8r 
guardian is going out btw
2017-07-20 21:11
#49
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Nepal Narstie 
" There are no examples of captains appearing out of nowhere." - *oh look, a wild yung stew appears* -
2017-07-20 21:11
lol
2017-07-20 21:16
if you think that stew is a leader in the same sense as zeus, karrigan, fallen, etc you are retarded. stewie is basically a better version of seized.
2017-07-20 22:05
#334
ScreaM | 
Romania SeDaTy 
Stewie has n0thing, a very experienced player who was calling in the past and who can help him with in-game leading
2017-07-21 00:19
#50
Ukraine psiz 
Denis "decoy" Kostin
2017-07-20 21:11
Wow
2017-07-20 21:11
#54
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North America Neonnanz13 
Expected this tbh
2017-07-20 21:12
its very bad that u all dont speak russian. its interview very emotional :( sorry for my bad english guys
2017-07-20 21:12
There are Eng. subtitles so it's understandable for non-Russuian speakers. Yeah it's truly emotional.
2017-07-21 03:37
#58
steel | 
Belarus Ruble 
-bot seized and +starix atleast it cant go worse than what navi are atm
2017-07-20 21:12
#59
Xyp9x | 
Vietnam vex0 
No, I think he's about to convince Na'Vi to let him go. I bet he already knew that he underperformed too many recent matchs due to lost eco rounds.
2017-07-20 21:12
#62
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World Buick 
I predicted this would happen a few days ago hltv.org/news/21106/seized-i-think-roste..
2017-07-20 21:13
-Edward +Electronic
2017-07-20 21:13
#65
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Russia razorVJ 
-seized +Zeus NaVi back to top2
2017-07-20 21:14
#66
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Argentina EnvyJ 
Good thing he realizes that cuz he's the one that is going to be replaced
2017-07-20 21:15
#67
Xyp9x | 
Romania Old_Guy 
So -seized/Edward and +ANGE1, how about that?
2017-07-20 21:15
#293
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Brazil diixon 
How about that = -seized AND -Edward +ANGE1 +Electronic
2017-07-20 23:07
#296
Xyp9x | 
Romania Old_Guy 
I kinda wanna keep seized to see if he can perform like he used to once the pressure of having to call gets taken away from him, the less roster changes you make = the more team chemistry you retain, not that electronic is a bad player, but if seized can start performing again, there's no need to remove him
2017-07-20 23:09
bb
2017-07-20 21:15
Paving the way for Edward to be kicked
2017-07-20 21:15
#72
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Europe aNCIOn 
yes. -toxics1mple +eletronic -edward or seized +angel or blade
2017-07-20 21:15
#73
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Denmark Experative 
CIS SUPERTEAM +S1mple +ANGE1 +electronic +AdreN +GuardiaN
2017-07-20 21:15
no sex god no party
2017-07-20 21:42
Dosia will eat you.
2017-07-20 21:46
No Zeus in CIS SUPERTEAM LUL
2017-07-20 22:04
Is he considering -himself
2017-07-20 21:15
#75
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Spain chokOOO 
seized S1mple GuardiaN electronic ange1
2017-07-20 21:15
#76
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World Prince_ScreaM 
-edward -seized +zeus +adreN Most likely -edward/seized +zeus
2017-07-20 21:16
#77
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Spain akproxx 
rip seized
2017-07-20 21:16
#78
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Turkey spazen 
-seized +electronic -guardian +zeus
2017-07-20 21:16
seized is a brave man since he knows he might be first one to quit ANGE1 or B1ad3 for seized would make most sense
2017-07-20 21:16
#85
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Finland neksu 
b1ad3 to coach and ange1 to igl imo
2017-07-20 21:18
Yea B1ad3 only coach now
2017-07-20 22:04
with coaching rule as it is I think it's unnecessary
2017-07-20 23:55
It has to be -seized or -edward because unless you are replacing guardian (and forcing s1mple to be main awp) there is no one else on the spot and you can get away with just one support. It is sad and hard though because these two are the best supports in the CIS region, pistol king Edward is a very solid veteran player and seized was probably the best support in CIS before taking on the IGL role and was great at lurking/clutching/2ndary awping and is very versatile.
2017-07-20 22:05
#84
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Turkey SG^^ 
Bring in ange1
2017-07-20 21:18
#87
f0rest | 
Germany d0000dy 
they need another igl
2017-07-20 21:18
#88
f0rest | 
Serbia dankooo 
Yes it will be you
2017-07-20 21:19
Good you need to leave
2017-07-20 21:19
decoy
2017-07-20 21:19
#95
f0rest | 
Estonia Rebae 
lol
2017-07-20 21:21
lol is he delusional? He is the first one who should get kicked.
2017-07-20 21:22
stupid hltv users , -edward ? wtf hes back why should kick him
2017-07-20 21:22
Na'vi- - s1mple - Flamie - Edward - ANGE1 - electronic HellRaisers- - STYKO - Zero - GuardiaN - mir - jR Flipsid3- - B1ad3 - hutji - Worldedit - keshandr - chopper Spirit - COLDYY1 - Davcost - s0tf1k - wayLander - bondik
2017-07-20 21:23
OPERATION: SAVE SIMPLE
2017-07-20 21:24
- Seized + electronic all.
2017-07-20 21:24
#116
Nessa | 
CIS CA1MAN 
this is one most retarded things i've read today
2017-07-20 21:26
n1ce try retard.
2017-07-20 21:35
#140
Nessa | 
CIS CA1MAN 
2017-07-20 21:36
c00l story. Get a life. Cya nerd
2017-07-20 21:37
#144
Nessa | 
CIS CA1MAN 
P O O R L A K tries to act relevant NT
2017-07-20 21:37
I do not see the flag, you are ashamed of your country? Are you probably from pathological Russia?
2017-07-20 21:38
#149
Nessa | 
CIS CA1MAN 
You'd wish. I suppose even that is better
2017-07-20 21:39
ye lets remove shitty igl and play without him at all stupid poorlack
2017-07-20 21:26
#165
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United States 7TH_HLTV_ACC 
lol
2017-07-20 21:43
yup - seized ez roster change
2017-07-20 21:24
zeus s1mple adren electronic guardian
2017-07-20 21:24
Probably Gambit won't swap with Na'Vi, cuz Gambit now is really successful, and those swaps can destroy both teams.
2017-07-21 12:54
-seized -andi +b1ad3 +electronic
2017-07-20 21:25
#110
Nessa | 
CIS CA1MAN 
N O S H I T S H E R L O C K
2017-07-20 21:25
i bet seized i gey and he hide it duno why
2017-07-20 21:26
Wtf.... Rofl
2017-07-21 08:12
-seized -Guardian +Blad3 +Angel1 +Drastical change of roles
2017-07-20 21:26
fnatic forced Na'Vi to change the roster finally expected
2017-07-20 21:26
again
2017-07-20 21:40
GOATs
2017-07-20 22:04
SEIZED SAID LMAO
2017-07-20 21:26
fuck this team, kicking zeus then when they lose they are crying to want him back..
2017-07-20 21:27
just throwing it out there, has any team ever worked well together, with s1mple in the lineup?
2017-07-20 21:27
lulquid
2017-07-20 21:34
#193
2017-07-20 21:55
#146
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Sweden Trkmag 
Results yes, internally I think no?
2017-07-20 21:38
#152
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Turkey CamelotzZz 
Liquid played major final with hiko and simple Also hr played quarter with him i think
2017-07-20 21:40
liquid was a complete mess, they had good results but you can see what happened with that team
2017-07-20 21:55
liquid (too bad they threw it all away because of egos), old flipsid3 overachieved quite a bit with him (him with b1ad3's structure was great and frightening but they never had quite enough firepower besides s1mple), hellraisers was kind of a shitshow due the fact HR kept switching multiple players in the roster and was unstable (and the fact s1mple was the stand-in to completely different rosters many times to HR) and later on due to the overlap in roles between oskar and s1mple (at the time, esp since s1mple was used mostly as a main awper around then) and both not meshing well although they were always a good upset team as any team with s1mple + ange1 is a great core. He did work well with ange1 on HR (and b1ad3 on f3), so the fact that those may be the IGL who are joining navi is a good sign. I think ange1 was great (maybe perfect) for s1mple, perfect loose structure for him and let him be the explosive player he is while taking advantage of his skills and gave s1mple a lot of freedom to do what he needs/wants. b1ad3 with s1mple was also scary because b1ad3 utilized him in the best positions and set him up to succeed in the main star role and basically moved and used s1mple as the queen chess piece although I remember s1mple didn't like b1ad3 super strict rigid structure (and the complete lack of b1ad3's fragging, he is pretty much pronax level most of the time).
2017-07-20 22:25
#122
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Argentina ZaraLarsson 
it will be -seized +starix -GuardiaN +markeloff since yegor twitted that he will go back to AWPing
2017-07-20 21:27
#123
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Ukraine take_away 
Started to laugh and cry at the same time after <<Natus Vincere captain Denis "seized" Kostin>>
2017-07-20 21:29
#125
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Poland furleppe 
watch the interview plebs, he knows he might the one to be cut
2017-07-20 21:28
navi dead since 2012
2017-07-20 21:29
beggining of 2016****
2017-07-21 12:15
good player shit igl
2017-07-20 21:30
Oh so NaVi kicked Zeus for s1mple and now want him to return ? Nice joke dudes, 2faced stuff right here
2017-07-20 21:32
bot seized gonna get kicked from navi
2017-07-20 21:33
#135
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Turkey CamelotzZz 
-seized -edward -flamie +zeus +adren +electronic Top 1 world
2017-07-20 21:34
#143
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Russia Elvem 
I'm very sorry, but it's the end. As long as Zeus was in NAVI, it was my favorite cis team. Now Zeus is in the gambit, and of course I'm rooting for them. But how sad I am to see how the top 1 team merges all before, and the captain says That we need shuffle..
2017-07-20 21:37
just check the interview. its obvious that guardian is the problem, they are going to invite either blad3 or ange1, s1mple is going to take the awper role, and seized will become amazingly consistent rifler&clutcher once again. also faze will get a chance to become stronger. rip allu
2017-07-20 21:38
trading guardian with angel actually might work
2017-07-20 21:48
#180
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Russia Lightsaber 
That will not happen
2017-07-20 21:49
You are right that faze will get chance to get stronger when they kick kio. well probably allu too haha
2017-07-20 22:26
-seized or edward -guardian +markeloff as primary awper +zeus or ange1 as igl
2017-07-20 21:39
blade is the best option.
2017-07-20 21:39
- seized - Edward + Snax + Zeus
2017-07-20 21:40
markeloff Edward Starix Zeus s1mple
2017-07-20 21:40
#158
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Sweden godname 
nice interview, i hope see zeus or markeloff back to NAVI
2017-07-20 21:41
#159
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Dominican Republic Morda_Killa 
-Edward +Zeus -Andi +Kane
2017-07-20 21:41
#161
s1mple | 
Russia tRym 
+angel
2017-07-20 21:42
Ange1/zeus S1mple (awper) flamie AdreN Eletronic Best cis roster on paper
2017-07-20 21:45
#171
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France LinkDream 
-na'vi +gambit
2017-07-20 21:47
#174
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Bulgaria GreoN 
If gambit won't go to semi-final, the changes will come.
2017-07-20 21:47
#177
s1 | 
Armenia gr1nch 
sad but show must go on
2017-07-20 21:49
#178
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Russia RomJkeH 
-navi +sk
2017-07-20 21:49
-Seized -Edward Guardian s1mple flamie Zeus Electronic
2017-07-20 21:49
Of course it is necessary you need to get the fuck out of the team
2017-07-20 21:50
#182
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Denmark eqztah 
Seized should not be replaced because of his performance lately.. Every player that suddenly have to be ingame leader have been struggling with the performance.. Like Shox for example.. when he became ingame leader(dont know if he still is) he didnt drop the 30 bombs like normally. Its a fact that your performance will dip when you are ingame leader. You have so much more to focus on than just fragging. Before the round, in the middle of round and after.. you need to have a strat for what to do... that have a huge impact on your kills.
2017-07-20 21:50
CIS SHUFFLE LADS LETS GO
2017-07-20 21:50
I think -simple+ electronic maybe he tilting them or seized gone since the way he talking +Angel or best yet -guardian and make him enjoy being married s1mple ask a and +electronic and make Edward igl.
2017-07-20 21:50
lol electronic is a known tilter and toxic player as well, s1mple has matured but electronic is still very young and known for it in the CIS community, but s1mple's skill is greater and more proven then electronic at this point anyway. Anyways s1mple is basically untouchable and navi won't change their best player, the reason why they made such a rash decision to remove Zeus at the time was because they were in a hurry to lock down s1mple when he was available. Also what you have to understand is most of the best talents from CIS region usually tend to be toxic/tilt (s1mple, bondik, electronic, oskar, flamie, all of current navi except guardian was known to tilt and be toxic,etc) even Zeus the IGL was known to be toxic but most CIS players have a higher level of tolerance for toxicity then other regions because it is normal (even russian matchmaking is very toxic in its very nature).
2017-07-20 22:38
Oskar and cis? lul
2017-07-21 02:14
s1mple is 19 and electronic is 18, they are both still very young and can develop a lot..
2017-07-21 13:09
-seized +ANGE1 Thats all.
2017-07-20 21:50
Seized is being under pressure lately because of igling and everyone wants him to be cut off. What everyone is forgetting is that seized was Na'Vi 2nd best player after GuardiaN and atm he is not the only one who is not in form. GuardiaN rn is pretty useless with s1mple and s1mple is a better overrall player than GuardiaN. The best choice if they will change things is -GuardiaN +CIS IGL (Angel?).
2017-07-20 21:51
True guardian is really bad rifler and s1mple is as good as awper.
2017-07-20 22:28
There are a lot of newfags that dont know that Seized was actually good before he took the igl role. -edward or -guardian would be better since s1mple is a very good awper
2017-07-20 22:36
#301
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Yugoslavia Malityc 
+ 1 seized shouldn't be kicked, he was good as hell back in the days when he didn't igl
2017-07-20 23:12
I don't understand why everyone wants s1mple to be the primary awper for Na'Vi, s1mple is a great secondary awper because of how insane he is with the rifles, and if navi have s1mple mainly on the awp they will lose a lot of rifle firepower, plus with the awp its very hard to pull off the crazy plays that we know s1mple for. In my opinion Guardian should stay primary awp and s1mple will be mainly a rifler. What navi now need is a good IGL. If they can pick up someone who can fix this disjointed team they could preform very well because they don't lack firepower, only the tactics side is not there.
2017-07-23 11:19
#187
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Portugal Death_Hack 
Bring Zeus kick s1mple and them s1mple to FaZe - allu
2017-07-20 21:52
Keep Seized. He will play much better when he isn't the IGL. Keep Simple and Flamie as well. Replace Edward or Guardian with an IGL.
2017-07-20 21:52
#189
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Germany turbo_rolg 
s1mple (awp) AdreN Ange1 (IGL) electronic flamie
2017-07-20 21:53
I don't understand why everyone has a problem with Guardian, he preformed well in the past matches and it makes little to no sense to switch him out. Furthermore how can you propose to put s1mple in an awping role? Sure he is a great awp'er but his true potential stays with the rifles, and if s1mple will play the primary awp there wont be that much firepower to back him up. Na'Vi as a team don't lack firepower they just lack a leader and cohesion as a team, If they would finally put the hours into practice they could preform very well with a good IGL.
2017-07-23 10:45
#190
Zeus | 
Other Chuckeee 
Seized needs to go. Just add ange1
2017-07-20 21:53
#192
s1 | 
Armenia gr1nch 
looks like its gonna be b1ad3 cuz seized said someone who is igl-ing for 10-15 years...
2017-07-20 21:54
#195
 | 
Russia alabar 
-seized +mir
2017-07-20 21:56
#200
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Portugal MR_CAL 
fuck seized u suck, i play better than u
2017-07-20 22:02
-seized -edward +ange1 +electronic
2017-07-20 22:04
+1
2017-07-20 22:11
#206
mir | 
El Salvador NotHotMan 
ADD ELECTRONIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2017-07-20 22:04
#216
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Finland ginbay 
This might hit hard but, -Seized +Zeus. Zeus has trained so much for being Igl and it shows on gambit gaming. He is also good fragger. Starix was key for navi's success but when coach rule came he couldn't help them anymore. Navi got good players but they need to know what is right.
2017-07-20 22:12
I hope they don't kick edward, wouldn't really be na'vi any longer if they go rid of all the old lineup :D
2017-07-20 22:12
Ange1 only logical choice i guess not that he is amazing igl but he is new blood so at this point -seized +angel hr already shithole
2017-07-20 22:13
#220
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Bulgaria Eso177 
-Seized +Ange1 -Flamie +Electronic
2017-07-20 22:13
#221
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Europe trey_ 
-s1mple +ANGE1 in Faze -allu/kio +s1mple
2017-07-20 22:14
Respect for seized Legend. Yeah he is suffering from bad luck.. Hope you become good again.. ! <3
2017-07-20 22:14
#223
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Russia Voka2H 
He wasnt rdy for interview, he's scared as shit, scared of kick, scared of questions, scared of say somthing wrong. And yes he'll be kicked after that interview.
2017-07-20 22:15
#224
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Brazil stmm 
-seized +dendi Kappa.
2017-07-20 22:17
+1
2017-07-20 22:32
#272
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Korea GodPutin 
rip navi dota2
2017-07-20 22:48
Seized kicked Zeus and now he wants Zeus back ? retard
2017-07-20 22:20
#226
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World WestSideDude 
Sick info from HLTV.org as always! GJ.
2017-07-20 22:20
-seized +starix
2017-07-20 22:22
Anyone know who he's talking about? My guess is s1mple....
2017-07-20 22:23
#285
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Latvia FENICH 
No, it's not s1mple. Because yesterday Navi's ceo said that he have big plans about s1mple. Sorry england is not my city.
2017-07-20 23:03
#286
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Latvia FENICH 
+ s1mple have best rating in 80% of the matches
2017-07-20 23:04
Seized said someone on the team is having commitment issues and are not putting enough effort and time into the game and making excuses and lies to avoid playing. If anyone is having commitment issues to the game and is not motivated, it sounds like anyone BUT s1mple, I think it's guardian who has had motivational issues since he got injured and he has been playing other games more than playing CS which is his job.
2017-07-21 13:54
-seized and Guardian +jR and mir/electronic
2017-07-20 22:23
bye seized
2017-07-20 22:25
YEP XD
2017-07-20 22:34
no hate , but just kick seized pls he sucks , go some tier3 team pls
2017-07-20 22:26
#241
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United States floobie 
Seized is a good aimer, decent supporter, also has a good map positioning and timing; the thing is, he cant iGL. The best option would be -seized +ange1, but very unlikely to happen. I'd love markeloff go in guardian's place and go back to AWP, that would raise the communication on team and also make it more versatile. Na'vi current line up proved that firepower alone cant do much without cordenation and good leadership. I'd love to see +electronic -flamie, since he has also been on a very poor form for a while. But very unlikely aswell.
2017-07-20 22:30
Well best would be to bring ANGE1 in for Edward, edward is secondary support but seized is the lurker/flanker of the team while edward only anchors a site (which is easy to replace, while no one else on navi is willing to lurk or do all the dirty work like seized) + when seized stops IGLing he will probably return to his previous form. I doubt markeloff returns to his CS 1.6 form, he's been in CS GO for years and only recently has expressed a desire to awp but it may be harder to come back to then he thinks + having worldedit on the team makes it hard for him to awp. I think he's a nonfactor until he proves himself, navi is not going to take a gamble or roster spot on markeloff who suddenly decides like he feels awping after all these years, he needs to show some star awping before they even think about it. Flamie is good but inconsistent, but it may be because the structure for the team is all fucked up, right now they have a system of 3 stars in s1mple/guardian/flamie but not enough space for them and the structure and IGLing that flamie had under zeus doesn't exist. I think with a proper IGL flamie is still a monster, he is just not being utilized well. Removing Guardian is also a option, he is no longer the star he used to be and probably will never return to that form, he is inconsistent and has cost navi a lot of games and I think maybe it's time navi move on from him. S1mple on the awp would be more impactful most of the time but I really did like guardian awping so s1mple is free to rifle as he wishes, unless they add another beast rifler (i.e. electronic/adren/maybe hobbit) in place of guardian it would be a waste to let s1mple main awp when he is one of the best riflers in game (well he is also one of the top awps in the game too I guess lol but there needs to be some1 like electronic or adren to compensate for the lack of s1mple main rifling)
2017-07-21 14:05
#244
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Bulgaria AboveYall 
-seized +Electronic -guardian +Ange1 Make s1mple prime awp
2017-07-20 22:31
No no.. -seized +electronic only, because Guardian is ok :)
2017-07-20 22:34
#256
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Bulgaria AboveYall 
There is no point.. They still need igl and Ange1 is one.. They have to cut at least 2 but idk who is the second guy
2017-07-20 22:36
Maybe you are right.. but Guardian had a wedding... My opinion -seized, +electronic and -flamie, +Ange1 or someone else from CIS :D Why Flamie? I don't know, but i think he stopped playing very good :/ he is young so maybe i am wrong and he need time to rehabilitate Guardian same... he need time to rehabilitate S1mple is solo player .... This may also be the reason why they can not agree with pushing on A or B plant, etc. Edward ..... i dont know... He has more problems with psyche
2017-07-20 22:54
#250
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Argentina kratoS_fsa 
- seized +ange1 -edward + electronic
2017-07-20 22:34
Lost all respect for seized, blaming guardian and fans. Even with zeus they lost games in unbelievable manner, org is rotten
2017-07-20 22:35
#257
NiKo | 
Poland Jaruzel 
-seized +Zeus / B1ad3 -Edward +electronic The only problem is that Zeus probably wouldn't want to leave Gambit to join worse team, but who knows.
2017-07-20 22:45
rip either seized or edward. Hope its not edward [*] CIS shuffle inc, volodyas time has come.
2017-07-20 22:37
CIS shuffle confirmed... i know this idea is a reach but hear me out, what if navi got rid of s1mple and and replaced him with ange1 as an igl that way as seized stated he will "come back to old form" and and seized will play on HR navi will get and electronic from flipside and gambit will pick up s1mple in replace of dosia (nothing wrong with him but he just not in old from like he used to be) and dosia will play for flipside so final rosters are... navi: guardian, flamie, edward, electronic, ange1 flipsde: blade, markelof, worldedit, waylander, dosia gambit: zeus, hobbit, mou, adren, s1mple however its hard to say that gambit is going to participate in the cis shuffle because they are the only team doing well and they are in very good form right now
2017-07-20 22:37
No way gambit ends up with the best roster in shuffle imo, -dosia +s1mple makes gambit into a championship contender (my god, s1mple, adren, and hobbit all with Zeus directing them? although probably -mou +s1mple is much better for the team, dosia does all the dirty work anyways and they need a player like that and mou's awping is inconsistent and not good enough for a championship contender imo) navi is not going to give them s1mple (their golden egg) the best player in CIS and end up with the 2nd best roster, they were very rash to kick out Zeus just because they wanted to lock down s1mple when he was available again. Also you made flipsid3 even worse and into trash with no real star player lmao
2017-07-20 22:48
that is very tru and yea XD flipside would be a fukin train wreck
2017-07-20 22:50
#260
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Latvia Flinchester 
+seized
2017-07-20 22:37
Angel is a co-owner of HR so he won't join navi. electronic is the best choice, they are playing without any strats anyway, so adding even more firepower looks logical
2017-07-20 22:41
#269
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Yugoslavia houschwitz 
2017-07-20 22:45
navi sucks anyway
2017-07-20 22:46
-flaime +hooch
2017-07-20 22:46
#275
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Brazil Charizaldo 
kick_s1mple_ffs
2017-07-20 22:50
Actually Confirmed -Seized Source: Seized HLTV
2017-07-20 22:51
#277
NiKo | 
Ukraine NESTR0 
Indeed big problems as for captain role They need Angel not Blade as I think
2017-07-20 22:51
simply -seized +zeus
2017-07-20 22:53
#298
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Canada TwistZzZz 
zeus leaving for a worse team lul
2017-07-20 23:10
#308
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World WestSideDude 
worse? look at HLTV stats.
2017-07-20 23:16
yes worse, actually Gambit > NaVi, major counts the most my friend
2017-07-21 01:59
Navi +Starix +Zeus +Edward +Markeloff +Flamie
2017-07-20 22:55
#307
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World WestSideDude 
flamie? i'd keep S1mple better since he is their best player and 1.43 rating at even losing major.
2017-07-20 23:16
Zeus stays in Gambit...
2017-07-21 02:00
#282
REZ | 
Sweden Error_rl 
-s1mple, he just a big diva with to much of an ego
2017-07-20 22:59
-edward +angel the only one I see right now.
2017-07-20 23:01
#284
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Brazil LucaS10 
NaVi was a better team with Zeus, Liquid was a better team with S1mple
2017-07-20 23:01
he sounds like a moron and is giving out way too much inner team info.....on top of that hes making excuses as to why he has sucked for like a year now....
2017-07-20 23:04
-seized LUL
2017-07-20 23:04
YOU GUYS ALL THE BEST CLUB MANAGER IN THE WORLD If roster changes can solve the whole problem then there'll not be problem any longer. think twice ,navi,pls. think twice ,seized,pls. we can do much butter . learn sth about vp is even effective...
2017-07-20 23:05
Everything went downhill when they got s1mple and then after that starix left and tgey fell even more down. I think that even if s1mple is one if the best players out there he doesn't work great in a team but maybe i am totally wrong with it and he is the best teammate but i really doubt that
2017-07-20 23:06
#294
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Sweden Kasidro 
Just kick seized
2017-07-20 23:08
#297
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Ukraine admiralz0r 
disband NAVI and NEW NAVI: zeus markeloff edward adren hobbit
2017-07-20 23:09
#305
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World WestSideDude 
s1mple must stay in whatever it will be.
2017-07-20 23:15
#400
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United Kingdom Recks 
I know its a troll post but lets pretend it isn't. Why on earth would Gambit make any changes when they're arguably the strongest and most consistent CIS team. Also why would this team have Edward and markeloff, both aged 29.
2017-07-21 04:44
#300
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Russia Djas 
zeus markeloff dosia adren hobbit/edward
2017-07-20 23:11
#303
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Canada TwistZzZz 
lul gambit should just -mou +s1mple, and you have a top 5 team world, and ofc you can also -Dosia +electronic, but just 1big move would be enough. Zeus AdreN H0bbit s1mple Dosia
2017-07-20 23:16
-s1mple +Dosia top 1 inc
2017-07-20 23:14
#306
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World WestSideDude 
top kek.
2017-07-20 23:15
lmao even admins are starting to bait b8 r8ing: 4/8
2017-07-20 23:16
NaVi Before Kicking Zeus: 5 Faces 8 Chins After kiding Zeus: 9 faces 8 Chins ROSTER CHANGE NEEDED. MORE CHINS ARE NECESSARY FOR THE TEAM TO SURVIVE. To me this lineup sounds pretty good: S1mple Guardian Flamie Edward /Siezed Ange1 OR S1mple Guardian Flamie Siezed /Edward Zeus
2017-07-20 23:28
not the last one cause Gambit > NaVi and they kicked him so I dont think he will want to come back and he wont leave Gambit
2017-07-21 01:58
Just drop the entire squad and buy the gambit squad already, we all know you want to do it.
2017-07-20 23:29
you mean vp should do that
2017-07-20 23:32
Nah let the old farts play.
2017-07-20 23:42
-seized +b1ad3 or +X-GOD top 1
2017-07-20 23:31
#320
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Paraguay mcraepy 
Navi 2017 rip
2017-07-20 23:34
-seized +starix
2017-07-20 23:35
-Na'Vi S1mple +Faze S1mple
2017-07-20 23:44
#328
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Venezuela xoile 
smell Ange1 and markeloff + Faze S1mple -kioshima zeus wont comeback to navi, not now!
2017-07-20 23:52
I can see Edward retiring soon, even though he's playing well, and ultimately a player like electronic stepping in as a secondary rifler. seized to stick to rifling, and have a coach come in to help.
2017-07-20 23:53
#333
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Sweden paddeyo 
If i were gambit i would probably kick dosia and try to get seized, makes sense to me. Seized is a really good player, but the igl-ing doesnt suit him. And navi should probably go for ange1 instead of blade considering ang1 is a better fragger. That could potentially solve navis problem and give gambit that extra mile. But what do i know, simple might just be one big problem.
2017-07-21 00:03
-guardian inc, mark my words
2017-07-21 00:24
Zeus will never go back to you, TRAITOR! GOGO Gambit
2017-07-21 00:28
lol now they'd want zeus back
2017-07-21 00:28
zeus will never go back. gambit has been better than navi for good amount of time already. :]
2017-07-21 00:45
money:)
2017-07-21 00:46
-seized 100% no way zeus is coming back why would he leave a team which most likely will reach semi finals of this major
2017-07-21 00:42
seized dont say this you will lose your job
2017-07-21 00:45
Seized need to go, one of the worst igl eve ever seen, and became an shitty player
2017-07-21 00:55
Well, nice interview. It seems like -GuardiaN, +igl and s1mple will become main awp. Ez
2017-07-21 00:59
#350
smooya | 
United Kingdom azrl 
Guardian retired due to wrist injury. Confirmed.
2017-07-21 00:59
That is what u get and deserve buy kicking the man that putted Navi on the top1 spot for years, Now u just seem like a skilled bunch of idiots runing in the server and loose to everyone. Zeus should never comeback, and u will never find another Zeus to replace him!
2017-07-21 01:04
Just ask to leave seized! Navi k/d ratio Major: simple +38 flamie -3 edward -4 seized -19 guardian +3
2017-07-21 01:16
#355
f0rest | 
Argentina GZ^ 
byebye seized.-
2017-07-21 01:21
Na'Vi ANGE1 OTW!
2017-07-21 01:26
#357
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Portugal samf0rd 
-s1mple +zeus
2017-07-21 01:30
So seized is volunteering to leave the team? That would be a great first move for Na'Vi.
2017-07-21 01:32
probably ange1 or sbd from flipsid3, not b1ad3 cause he is really bad but electronic is must have plauer for navi
2017-07-21 01:55
With 0 igl on navi, picking electronic is waste of talant
2017-07-22 07:23
-seized +ange1 -edward +electronic
2017-07-22 12:47
Simple to Faze plz
2017-07-21 01:57
Remove Zeus is a biggest mistake in CS:GO history.
2017-07-21 02:05
#373
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Slovakia mysterycsgo 
why? they removed zeus before coaching rule. if the coaching rule stayed as it was navi is top2 with starix as igl... but now it sucks because they dont have igl and seized is not good but rest are shit igl in navi. -seized + zeus top 5 team again. zeus too good igl. if zeus joined t3 team it becomes t1 within 1 year
2017-07-21 02:34
yea roster change -seized -guardian
2017-07-21 02:09
Edward Electronic Zeus Markeloff (AWP) Flamie S1mple wont play with Markeloff.
2017-07-21 02:41
Rip Edward, last real Na'vi member in the team still left, they won't kick seized even though he's shit feel really bad for edward he isn't even the problem. Edit: Also hope Na'vi goes for someone like electronic young skilled player who has lots of potential over picking up some washed up shitter tier 2 garbage like ange1.
2017-07-21 02:47
#430
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World WestSideDude 
+
2017-07-21 08:49
ange1 is one of the best fragging igls, not washed up lol
2017-07-22 07:21
Tier 2 tournaments, playing tier 2 teams.
2017-07-22 08:25
RiP seized
2017-07-21 03:16
#379
cajunb | 
China Kistah 
- s1mple - edward - guardian - flamie 5 * seized will make NAVI great again
2017-07-21 03:25
SOON: "SEIZED LEAVES NA'VI"
2017-07-21 03:34
#383
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China M1rAiwOw 
-seized it's enough
2017-07-21 03:37
#398
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United Kingdom Recks 
I highly doubt replacing seized would fix the teams problems. I swear kennyS said in an interview that NaVi tried to recruit him to replace GuardiaN in the past. The fact that they tried to replace GuardiaN shows his spot on the team isn't safe. GuardiaN's performance has dropped year after year and Im pretty sure s1mple wants to be a main Awper. Edward's performance has also gone down hill plus hes 29 years old so in my opinion they should let Edward and GuardiaN go. That being said i think GuardiaN could go on to do great things with another team like HellRaisers or FlipSid3. Edward should retire. Seized has been playing very poorly lately but hes only 22 years old so hes far from washed. I think a fresh team with real leadership could get him back on track so i would be suprised if they dropped Seized and kept Edward/GuardiaN. I doubt Zeus would leave Gambit for NaVi, if i was him i wouldn't go im guessing NaVi would have to look for players from HellRaisers & Flipsid3.
2017-07-21 04:40
plus seized playing in his top form is a great, great rifler, even awper sometimes. IGLing harmed his gameplay, sadly. they need Zeus back and Edward out. also GuardiaN hasn't been the same, the injury, now the marriage. two possible players to change. thoughts?!
2017-07-21 04:44
#402
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United Kingdom Recks 
Yes ideally they need Zeus back but i highly doubt he would leave Gambit after all this success to go back to a team that dropped him. I feel like half the comments on this thread are saying drop Seized but in my opinion he shouldn't go no where. I would release GuardiaN & Edward.
2017-07-21 04:48
#384
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Faroe Islands shubaNNN 
ya you are out
2017-07-21 03:37
INB4 Hltv- Kick Zeus! Now- Please Zeus come back we need you!
2017-07-21 04:04
#392
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Europe m9_ 
SEIZED WONT BE KICKED FUCKIN NOOBS ITS EDWARD
2017-07-21 04:05
#393
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Europe m9_ 
"no cases of captains appearing out of nowhere" stewie2k hope of NA, best IGL in NA completely out of nowhere, best player in NA completely out of nowhere. nice b8 seized
2017-07-21 04:06
-flamie -edward +mir +chooper test this mix
2017-07-21 04:37
kicked zeus and starix then say "we need a leader" lul
2017-07-21 04:37
-edward +zeus
2017-07-21 05:12
Yea i think so to, - you :)
2017-07-21 05:22
#410
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India nathanekka 
Kicking out the team player and bringing in the individual talent was the game changing decision. Gl for future anyway. And yes i am Zeus fan
2017-07-21 05:56
-Guardian and make new slovak/cech team: -Guardian -Oskar -Frozen -Styko -Zero Navi: -s1mple -flamie -Zeus -Adren -Hobbit Any suggestions?
2017-07-21 06:22
zeus comeback to navi, rly?!
2017-07-21 07:01
Start
2017-07-21 06:30
#415
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Luxembourg alex24 
-simple +zeus easy fix, they need an IGL, not a trigger happy eco hunting NA fpl pleb like simple
2017-07-21 06:58
B1ade Electronic S1mple Guardian Styko
2017-07-21 06:59
#417
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Brazil Collee 
Yes, -seized is completely necessary
2017-07-21 07:00
-seized +ange1 -edward +electronic
2017-07-21 07:00
Ur team need disbanded that's all
2017-07-21 07:06
#429
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World WestSideDude 
nt hater
2017-07-21 08:48
hooch
2017-07-21 07:27
i always delight to see navi fall down ..
2017-07-21 07:30
Bring back the old roster: Zeus Edward Starix Markeloff Anyone (Since Ceh9 retired)
2017-07-21 08:02
ceh9 coach
2017-07-21 09:53
Since Zeus wont come back : Adren Electronic Simple Guardian Flamie
2017-07-21 08:17
why you think Adren go to navi if zeus wont go ? :D Gambit have good team
2017-07-21 09:03
#427
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Europe Pecheniga 
Seized is a good guy, but he cant be an igl
2017-07-21 08:33
#428
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World WestSideDude 
drop Party King, add true legend and amazing IGL Zeus.
2017-07-21 08:48
#433
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Portugal fatheroffive 
-seized pls
2017-07-21 09:12
#434
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Finland f0pZ 
i said in the beginning when -zeus +simple, it wont work
2017-07-21 09:29
hahahah seized will be kicked first
2017-07-21 09:46
Why change roster?? What about harder training? Maybe change IGL or something like this... look at VP no roster changes and they played well again. But if must be change roster i think Guardian and s1mple cant play together, so: - Guardian + IDK Markeloff or elektronic or someone like these two... and Guardian go to HR and - DeadFox :D Nice fantasy dont u think? :D
2017-07-21 09:51
- Seized - Flamie +adren +zues
2017-07-21 09:59
#442
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Russia HLTV_Admin 
-decoy +seized
2017-07-21 10:02
Just add Ange1 for Seized and they're sorted. Edward is a solid support and has actually put up numbers this tournament, Guardian might as well stay because with a capable IGL, he'll do better and flamie is still pretty good, just needs to be a bit more consistent.
2017-07-21 10:09
#444
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Spain chanSw0w 
I dont understand why all people want to destroy gambit, Na'Vi does a big error, now they can't pick Zeus, you kick him when he wasn't the problem..
2017-07-21 10:13
#454
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Ukraine oseredchukmm 
-seized worst igl ever
2017-07-21 10:38
edward is 29 years old and not an IGL, if they kick someone it would be sadly, but most likely him -edward +starix/ange1/zeus and f3 pls kick waylander and pick up edward then thx xd
2017-07-21 10:56
I have no clue why would zeus join this comedy again especially knowing that they werent supergood back then (they won like 1 title only?). And that was when guardian went mental for majority of their games. -siezed +angel Blade is weak fragwise even for flipside standards (tier 2) so thats like their only chance. Not sure if angel wanna join them tho. It is not one of those offers you cant refuse i guess. Any IGL with decent fragging power (hi pronax and b1ad3 :D) is worth a lot nowadays. I think it is also huge problem for g2, shox is just waste. They should let/force NBK (or maaaybe bodyy) do that.
2017-07-21 11:00
Feel like shox is a good secondary caller but probably is not fit for the main true IGL role. G2 also looks like pugging chickens just like navi, no real tactics. It's not even a "loose style" like happy at this point, it seems like it's very puggy and they just play defaults a lot, he has been getting outsmarted and outmaneuvered by other real IGLs. Plus shox is wasted on IGL role, it seems he is no longer the player and star he was and is a shell of himself. At some point, I think the G2 experiment will need to be eventually fixed by adding a real IGL (maybe ex6tenz comes back to the scene, he's the only french IGL with real tactics and ever since he was removed from the t1 french scene he has improved alot especially at fragging). And also, -Edward + Ange1 or even -Guardian +Ange1, seized is doing bad right now but that is because he is having the burden of being a IGL, seized before he took IGL was the best support in CIS. If seized is removed then there's no one to do his role as the main support and lurker, seized lurks/clutches/flanks for his team (also can be a solid secondary awper) and gets information and does all the dirty work on the team which no one likes to do, when seized move to IGL he couldn't lurk as much and only s1mple was willing to lurk sometimes in his place (which was a waste for him esp since his team all died while s1mple was lurking, he is better used as a entry/on site), while edward's role (secondary support/being an anchor on site) is easily replaceable, hell probably Ange1 can fill in and do the exact same thing Edward was doing, it's basically to clean up and get frags and open things up/support Guardian/Flamie/S1mple. Also it seems obvious now that Guardian will never return to form and he will just keep getting worse and worse. He is so inconsistent now and alot of the time I feel the team will be better off if s1mple just picked up the awp. He keeps having motivational issues (he even said it himself many times in last few months) and recently has been spending more time on other games then CS (his real job). And seized said in the interview, there is a problem with commitment in the team and how they cannot practice properly because someone is not putting enough effort in and making lies and excuses to avoid it. My guess is that someone is Guardian, and he is also have a wedding soon which might also be distracting him.
2017-07-21 11:57
#458
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Europe RadduZEW 
-seized +zeus -edward +adren Best team
2017-07-21 11:18
lol that won't happen remember zeus got kick on navi? if you're zeus do you think that you would still join navi?
2017-07-21 11:36
#463
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Europe RadduZEW 
yes is second chanse to play on the better team in the world
2017-07-21 11:38
and zeus got very sad when he was kick and that's painful for him damn now Gambit looking strong
2017-07-21 11:43
rip rusiando verbatim he said not "roster changes are necessary", but "i failed as IGL so changes in the team are necessary"
2017-07-21 11:47
#471
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Ukraine potapUA 
My prediction, it is maybe not the best possible one, but In my opinion the most realistic. Natus Vincere: Angel - IGL S1mple - riffler 2nd AWP WorldEdit - AWP Edward - Support Flamie - Entry fragger Why no GuardiaN? As they said, someone isnt dedicated enough for the game and has been lying as well, i assume about practising and all that stuff cause he just wanted to spend more time with his wife and because of his age, counter strike is not going to be the priority anymore. He will either end his long journey, or he will try some for fun team with other Slovakian players. Flipside: Blade - IGL / support Seized - riffler 2nd AWP Markeloff - AWP wayLander - riffler Electronic - Entry fragger Markeloff tweeted that he is going to be back to AWP soon, so that is why I assume that he will have space for it and as I said up there, WorldEdit is the best AWP available after GuardiaN atm. There are not going to be changes in Gambit because they are currently best team in CIS they have amazing relationship and they have a big potentional. I would give Gambit more time together cause they have show some brilliant results in such a small period. I dont really give a shit about HellRaisers so..
2017-07-21 12:20
-seized +ange1 -guardian +adren or electronic or mir or -seized +ange1 -guardian +adren -edward +electronic or mir
2017-07-21 12:30
#481
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Europe RadduZEW 
is not good ange1 for IGL, if he was good hellraisers was play play on major
2017-07-21 13:51
* trading zeus for s1mple wasnt the great idea ever
2017-07-21 13:08
#489
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World WestSideDude 
Adding S1mple was the best idea, but not for Zeus. Would be better to drop seized or GuardiaN instead.
2017-07-21 14:54
"We've been on the verge of disbanding several times in the past 6 months due to personal issues, some lie and make things up" - seized
2017-07-21 13:12
navi ceo himself said s1mple is the future of navi
2017-07-21 13:12
that is right here... agree if he said that.
2017-07-21 17:04
-edward -guardian +electronic +blade s1mple-awp b1ade-igl electronic-entry flaimie-lurker seized-support
2017-07-21 15:09
#504
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Sweden MikyPanza 
Dont forget that Seized was a beast before Zeus was kicked. He´s not a leader and will be beast again after changes. We need -Edward (legends need to go sometimes =fifflaren) and +Zeus. = One of the best teams in the world
2017-07-22 00:03
Seized seems like a shitty person. He along with Starix was behind Zeus' kick, because he thought that he will be a better leader. Now he's blaming fans for critique, blames guardian for not throwing proper smokes and lack of professionalism, blames teammates for some "lies" which is ridiculous. He is a very good player. But he's bad captain and shitty person. I doubt that Na'Vi will keep him. Bringing in Ange1 doesn't look a good move to me. Even when Ange1's team was the one true rival to NIP Ange1 showed very poor tactical judgement many-many times. I think with Ange1 wont be much better than with Seized. But Na'Vi just doesn't have another option. Blad3 and Hooch both have conflicts with current Na'Vi players (Flamie and S1mple) and they both showing very poor fragging abilities, thus Na'Vi players wouldn't listen any of them. They don't have enought autorithy to lead such strong and caprise players.
2017-07-22 00:37
#511
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Switzerland Ha0 
Guys i dont want to kick out Guardian but last half year his skill looks so bad like tier 3 team... Best idea tonkick him and + zeus back as Captain , Seized again on Main player High skill high aimbot before zeus kick ! Flamie Edwa no changes , Simple main awp.
2017-07-22 10:24
#523
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China Ava1ondraGon 
Thank you for kicking Zeus, so he can have a chance to win a major. Thanks Navi.
2017-07-24 03:37
#525
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Canada gritabit 
Zeus to return to NaVi Fat chance with what just happened -Edward -seized +electronic +ANGE1 While seized used to be good before he played IGL, it could take way too long to recover. Edward is having no impact in the server compared to what he used to do as a support player. On the other hand, electronic is ranked #10 on HLTV player stats for the major and is clearly one of the best CIS players atm. ANGE1 will probably never leave HellRaisers, but the way he's still managed to stay relevant says that he could change the direction of NaVi.
2017-07-24 18:33
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