kNgV-: "Some players preferred Immortals over the team"
Vito "kNgV-" Giuseppe has shed light on his departure from Immortals and the issues surrounding the Brazilian team.
Vito "kNgV-" Giuseppe is currently a free agent after being released from his Immortals contract as a result of playing for the Brazilian team in an EPICENTER qualifier match against CLG while being suspended by the North American organisation.
The 22-year-old had been in hot water after threatening Pujan "FNS" Mehta on Twitter in the aftermath of DreamHack Montreal following a tweet from the CLG member in which he stated that three of Immortals players had been "hungover" during the semi-final match between the two teams, which left kNgV- fuming.
kNgV- addresses his departure from Immortals
In a lengthy Facebook post, kNgV- argued that Immortals had never told him what his punishment was, and revealed that he had been given permission to step in for team coach Rafael "zakk" Fernandes and play against CLG in the EPICENTER qualifier.
"After DreamHack Montreal, I returned to Brazil and I was told that I was going to be punished," he wrote. "But they never told me what the punishment would be. Our meeting was supposed to take place after the match against CLG.
"When I came on the team's group chat, I wrote that I was going to play against CLG, even if there was lag. After 10 minutes, steel came to me and said I would not be able to play because I was suspended for a month.
"I was mad because no one from the organisation had told me that. Then they lost the first map, and Lucas "LUCAS1" Teles and Henrique "HEN1" Teles asked me to play and said that they had messaged [General Manager] Nick [Phan], who had given permission for me to play.
"It was then obvious that I was going to play, it was a qualifier for EPICENTER, a big event. After watching my teammates lose, I decided to play despite the lag, I wanted to help my team.
"After the match, I read Noah's post on Twitter. He then called me and he said that it was over."
kNgV- then revealed that, upon returning from Malmö with the team, he was denied entry into the United States by the Immigration services after they discovered that he was being paid by Immortals while staying in the country under a tourist visa.
This is the reason why he was forced to sit out a number of ESL Pro League matches and also the team's ELEAGUE Premier group encounters, in Atlanta, where Raphael "cogu" Camargo filled in for him.
"They found out that I was playing for Immortals and that my work visa (which was delayed) was not ready," he explained.
"I was entering the country with a tourist visa... I was refused entry and I had to return to Brazil. I was held for two days before I could return."
Regarding the night before the DreamHack Montreal final, in which Immortals forfeited the first map after arriving late at the venue, kNgV- rejected suggestions that he, LUCAS1 and HEN1 were partying.
"zakk, HEN1, LUCAS1 and I were playing cards in the twins' room and talking about the match against CLG," he revealed.
"At 1 in the morning, zakk and I went to our room. I am going to be honest, I could not fall asleep and I only went to bed at 7.
"We woke up at 9.30 and we were already late for the match [against CLG]. After lunch, we decided to get some rest. We were only supposed to meet at 3.30 (the final was scheduled for 5pm).
"zakk was really sick, so he fell asleep, while HEN1 went to our room, where we watched the other semi-final. HEN1 also fell asleep, while I stayed up, and then steel messaged us saying that we would play one hour after that match.
"I knew that would be earlier than 5pm. I should have stayed up, but I thought I would be able to take a nap and we would have plenty of time because the first map of the semi-final was still being played.
"zakk and I woke up at 3.30, and we ran to the venue. We got there at 3.40, and, for the first time, we were late. It was just five minutes, it would have been good sense [to wait] to not ruin the final... Oh well, rules are rules.
"We were sad about everything and we also had to listen to all the jokes about us being drunk. We really like to party, but we did not go out that night.
"My reaction was obviously an impulsive one because it was a big lie. We were already being criticised and for something we had not done.
"Losing a tournament because you slept in? That is very wrong, for sure, but losing because you were out drinking, that's a whole different story."
kNgV- also opened up about the strained relationship between the organisation and the team, and lamented the way that Immortals CEO Noah Whinston publicly handled his case.
"Obviously, our relationship was not good after the Major, we demanded a valuation that never happened, and then there was horvy's signing, with which most players did not agree," he noted.
"As Noah wrote, honor > all. Noah, honor would be you telling me that I was suspended, because, for me, honor was wearing your team's jersey with all my will and commitment.
"But unlike you, I am not here to judge you or criticise you. Just like me, you make mistakes, and I wish you all the best, for everything you did for us."
The Brazilian player then admitted to being "sad" with the interview that Lucas "steel" Lopes and Ricardo "boltz" Prass gave shortly before their ELEAGUE Premier group matches in which they stated they were "not sure" that the remaining team members had been drinking the night before the DreamHack Montreal final.
Regarding the future of the team, kNgV- wrote that he would like the roster to stick together - even if under a new organisation -, but lamented that some of his teammates "preferred Immortals over the team."
"I was sad about the video in which steel and boltz said they were not sure that we had gone out, that was f*cked up," he added.
"They knew we had not gone out. And they did not even thank me for the effort I made... Like it was my obligation after the issues with my visa.
"I really would like us to stay together, regardless of Immortals' help, which was really big, only the seven of us (the players, zakk and our video editor, Ricky) know what we went through to get that Major spot.
"Regardless of the organisation, we should stay together, but some people preferred Immortals over the team.
"I understand their decision, but, in my opinion, it was not the best one. Our team was very good and we had achieved the best results of all of our careers.
"Counter-Strike has always been my life. I have fought very hard to be here. I have always had this explosive temper.
"I was already upset about what had happened, and listening that we were hungover made me lose my temper.
"I made a mistake. But that is not going to make me give up. The game is not over."
Following kNgV-'s departure, twin brothers HEN1 and LUCAS1 both asked to be allowed to leave the team, which forced Immortals to withdraw from the EPICENTER qualifier.
In a Reddit post, Mr. Whinston has revealed that he will make a public statement about the CS:GO team on Friday.
Pujan 'FNS' Mehta
Age:
26
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.90
Maps played:
736
KPR:
0.61
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.14
Ricardo 'Rickeh' Mulholland
Raphael 'cogu' Camargo
Age:
33
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
89
KPR:
0.65
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.11
Rafael 'zakk' Fernandes
Age:
-
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.77
Maps played:
90
KPR:
0.52
DPR:
0.70
APR:
0.13
Prove it or ill kill this meme by overusing it
+ 1 Prove it or ill kill this meme by overusing it
thats funny cuz i know zakk in real life and he told me what happened and this article nails it, stop spreading lies plz
They have contract. They need to find an organization that would pay for their contracts.
Like immortals is going to waste money on any of the following:
Paying players who can't play because they only have a 4 man roster
Paying players that flat out do not want to be there and thus have no motivation to win, or try to win
Paying players that disagree with management and the decisions they make and therefore are going to have no self motivation to prioritize the org in any way
Yes noah can keep the twins under contract, but what would be the point if they just don't give a shit? That's just a waste of money, and they could probably get away with refusing to play. Yes theoretically noah could sue them, but that would cost a shit load of money, and might not even hold up in court, not to mention it would take over a year to settle the case so at the end of the day, if they want to be released at this point, I reckon they will get their wish
Not really.
Ofc, you lose your squad, you can buy another without any major problem.
If you can't be sure what your players do and when you tell one is suspended and then the other 2 are like "nah, you okay bro, come and play" then you have no control over your players at all.
Not saying that they should move the players like in chess but they should be able to say "You can't play" and the team respects that decision and the player doesn't play...
If i were IMT CEO i would kick KNG no matter how good he is, being such a disrespectful guy is bad for sponsors and bad for public image.
It's going to be hard for KNG Hen1 and Lucas to find a good org, whatever they find is going to be scammy af that only wants the sticker money from the major.
u think imt gives a shit about their garbage cs team? they make millions off their league of legends team so why should they tolerate this behaviour, ppl making death threats in their name, fucking moron should never be allowed on a team again, imt was nice enough to give him a chance and get out of the shithole that brazil is and this is how he repays them.
lmao I think they had a conversation
What do you guys think now after Immortals disband and lose their Legends major status will their stickers rise in value? I mean there was only one event where there were Immortals stickers so probably there arent that much stickers on the market... At least the foil and holo stickers?
+1
Lies! Unprofessional and anti-etical. Hope never see you again playing. Sry for boltz and steel
Except as told before in comments, his side is a lie since one twin have been seen cheering for lol team while he was sleeping according to kng.
Or you take the word of the guy fired - who is looking for another team and if word came out he was late because they were partying too hard.............
I really hope his career dies and everyone forgets about him since no reputable org will ever pick them knowing they're unprofessional ticking time bombs. Kid is an alright player but he thinks he's on top of the world.
+1
so much drama about this guy, ffs.
or maybe they want to keep playing CS on a high level instead of throwing their career away
Its giving the brazilian scene a bad image. I think thats what he wanted to say
Its giving the brazilian scene a bad image. I think thats what he wanted to say
"I'm Brazilian and I hate this guy destroying the Brazilian scene."
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
+1
prove
it
I'll
kill
+1
This nice guy act is coming a little late after his drama queen bullshit on twitter earlier. I don't feel any sympathy for him, but it's undeniably sad that such a promising player (and improving lineup) will have no future due to these actions. Sad..
Well, only if the twins + kNg stick together. And even if that happens, I'm not sure which org would ruin their reputation and pick them up.
And you're right, "no future" was a bad choice of words, but their future won't be as bright as if they had simply worked their differences out and stuck together (imo).
>was
>is
>Na'Vi
>Top teams
So, wtf Immortals
nothing learned that day
this comment is too wise for this place. you are wasting your time.
but what he said makes sense, for instance where he says that Immortals never told him that he was suspended, it seemed like only steel knew about it since even the people behind immortals twitter tweeted saying that they would bring KNG for the 2ND map, him not being able to enter USA was also true since he went back to brazil before dreamhack toronto and news sites said that he wouldn't even be playing dreamhack toronto because of visa problems and that zakk would play as a sub
what an idiot. why would anyone ever beloeve him
I do.
I do.
FakeFlagger
do you have any evidences ?
"I do"
Good for you.
Convo with yourself?
No. He is a disgusting impersonator trying to make me look bad on HLTV.
You're a shit wanting to show up with lies, I really do have you! garbage and liar, you owe me respect.
Prove it or he'll kill you.
"...only the seven of us (the players, zakk and our video editor, Ricky) know what we went through to get that Major spot.""
Yeah you went through Vega, NaVi, F3, Big, and VP, none of which are ranked in the top 10.
Other than that I am with KNG on this one, I feel bad for him.
kng is a retard he should go back to his shithole and learn how to be civilised
Other than being late to a game, what did he do that is uncivilized that other players don't do?
Rofl ask fns
So he made a joke tweet on twitter, ok that was a mistake, but FNS started it and did the same thing.
Even if you say kNG was actually furious, that's still no reason to be kicked from a team.
« FNS started it » rofl how old are you ? That FNS started it or not is not the question. He didn’t have to make dead threat that’s all.
He wasn't really threatening him, it was a joke, calm down.
So chasing FNS in the hotel was a joke?
Source or didn't happen.
If you can show me these reports, I will believe you.
Sounds more like a he-said-she-said to me.. Idk who to believe.
Dang, calm down. I was just saying that FNS might exaggerate things.. no need to get mad over it.
My apologies, I had commented before even watching the video since I did not have time to watch the video with sound. I just saw it as a podcast with people just talking about it. Now that I watched it I believe FNS.
The only thing that in unforgottable here is the fact that they got late and forfeited the first map. That was totally unprofessional and KNG(and the others) really deserved a punishment over it. And that is it.
Disregarding the Twitter bravado, which everyone here know that it is just BS. Everyone keeps telling that KNG went after FNS... but guys, come on... Am I the only one here who thinks that confrontating someone (non phisically) who is spreading lies about you is the right thing to do? In the heat of the moment i bet that y'all would've done the same.
The funny part is that everyone here is putting a blind side over the thousands of hate messages and latent racism towards Brazilians... but hey... that is ok!
Agreed.
And another point on the twitter threat is that people might not consider the cultural differences between countries. In portuguese, if someone says his words on that context means more like "I'll kick your ass"... not a nice thing to say to anyone, but definetly not the same meaning I'd expect if I hear that from anyone in US.
And was awesome to see that someone else noticed the hate speech on all those comments.. but <irony>I think that's acceptable over the internet, right?! Where everyone is annonymous, brave and don't suffer any consequences on their words.</irony>
Good to see that we have at least some people mature enough to show their point of view without look like a under-10 crybaby which only use bad words.. we already have enough of those in game...
Regards!
FNS wasn't the one who started the rumour though? He made a self-deprecating joke that even when the twins and kNg were supposedly "hungover" CLG still lost. If anything, that's a compliment towards them.
And no, in the heat of the moment I would have come clean to stem the bleeding. I'd rather everyone hate me for forfeiting because I overslept rather than for sending a death threat and hunting for a rival player.
While I am not FNS, if you know his nature and most of the NA player's attitudes, they "joke" about many things and say them in a playful tone, but most of the time they do believe in what they joke about to some extent. I am pretty sure his comment was not self-deprecating in nature, but more of a demeaning tone while still lamenting that they lost to a bunch of drunkards
Come on dude, do you really believe that KNG would be able to put his hands on FNS? There is no way in hell that he would be able to reach him. FNS phisical intregrity was never in peril.
Joking about somethings is not cool at all, specially if the joked side has a history about it. It is not ok to throw drunk jokes over people who may indeed have issues with drinking. Even if it FNS intent was to joke about himself, that is simply not ok. The point is: the trio had been acused of being drunk/partying on several ocassions and were hardly criticized over it. It is ok for us, the community to make jokes about it. RYU/FNS had no reason for making such jokes, their behavior was totally unprofessional. It should be easy to see that their lack of profissionalism was the catalyst for all this drama, and therefore they should also be hold accountable on this, and yet, they received no punishment whatsoever. (It is not ok to publicy spread lies in the corporate world, Ryu and FNS would get fired instantly if they worked in a multinational). KNG and IMT could easily make a case against CLG and sue them over this.
Again: The only thing that is unforgottable here is the fact that they got late and forfeited the first map. That was totally unprofessional and KNG(and the others) really deserved a punishment over it. And that is it.
But even then, as a professional player in one of the most toxic online communities, you would think kNg would be used to that kind of petty insult. Regardless of whether or not Ryu or FNS should be held to blame, it was a drastic overreaction from kNg. All he had to do was say what he has now at that time and this whole thing would have blown over. Though I have trouble believing his reason for why they were late given that he didn't come clean with that earlier.
Nice joke.
Lol half of bra71l's women have that exact description
FNX's son...
Hope he never join a tier1/2 team again...
Maybe a tier5.
Yeah, but if I were a CEO of a big org I would double/triple think about picking them up. What if the rumors of them partying before the major finals are true? What if I pick up a team made up by a bunch of jerks that would rather spit on my org's name than anything else? I dunno, it's a risky investment.
Immortals can just hold on to hen1 and lucas until after next major and keep them on the bench. That way they have zero value and noone will likely want to touch either one of those guys again. Immortals holds the cards, not the other way around.
No my friend, it is the other way around. Lucas was already called to play in SK in place of FNX, but he did not accept because of the HEN1
hahaha
Sure, they will drink and use cocaine during the break to win something hahaha
FNX will be the drunk leader
And they will still win against the NA teams
As if they didn't before?
excelent words, no more to say
fly to brasil and then to canada in the same day because others fault it's a shame
(sry 4 my english)
BRASILIAN SOAP OPERA omg THATS WHAT EXACTLY ESPORTS IS .. FULL OF KIDS WHO THINK THEY ARE BIG ... BIG EGOS SMALL BRAIN
MOSTLY SCANDINAVIAN AND BRA PLAYERS ...
If we believe on each word he's saying, this testimonial clarifies for me a series of errors.
1- kNgV guilty on showing up late in the final (looks like he didn't give the importance needed for that schedule change)
2- Whoever sent a message to Steel should (IMO) reach out zakk, since he's the coach... but Steel should also let every single person know about that change (again, IMO)
3- IMT staff miscommunication, with a manager saying something different from his CEO
4- Noah to expose the problem on Twitter. Dude, you can argue anything but I don't see CEOs for big companies going on Twitter to talk about internal matters... specially in that scenario, which kNgV looked critical for IMT victory.
But most of all above, kNgV full statement (which is not reproduced in here so far) just shows me that the team wasn't united in the first place.
How the other players simply go to the finals without their teammates? How we have a controversial video statement like Boltz and Steel did, where they say the guys might or might not be partying during the finals?!
And don't get me wrong: I love watching Boltz, Steel and the whole crew, but I'm not 20 and can understand differences on how people do their job. I feel in the end the only big guilt is on IMT shoulders, to put together people so different and incompatible and don't be able to predict something like that would happen...
Your conclusion is off base.
1. Correct
2. If zakk isn't at the venue but steel is, they reach out to steel. Hence they have fulfilled their duty of communicating the change with the team.
3. Yes, or a blatant lie from lucas and hen that wanted their teammate to play. Not too farfetched to think it could be this way to force themselves out from an org they didn't like anymore. They have proven capable of childish behaviour at a number of occasions.
4. The fact you compare big companies with esports is hilarious in so many ways. Compare it with SPORTS. Not big companies. Most big companies CEO's aren't exposed to the public light in the way sports are. If a player isn't performing his duty for a team in pro sports (NFL, NBA or w-ever) he's gonna receive open criticism from a majority of the executives of his team. I can provide a number of examples from the NFL (the league I follow the most), which also happens to be one of the highest turnovers when it comes to money in pro sports.
This is on the players. Act professional to begin with and nothing would fucking happen. Even if those persons doesn't like eachother it's their god damn job to fit as a unit. If they don't produce results as a unit then it's on the org. Having people that don't like eachother but produce results means the org is succeeding. Then it's all down to the players acting like spoiled kids.
Imo, I hope to dear God immortals holds on to lucas and hen until after the next major. Don't care about trade offers. That way they hold zero value for any team to pick up, only insane amount of risks. These retarded ungrateful kids doesn't deserve to be pros. They lost that privilege with their childish actions.
Thanks for the comment! I really appreciated!
I don't feel there's a big gap on our understandings. Sorry for not being so clear... I feel I didn't go deeper I would need, trying to avoid a huge post...
One part of what I was thinking has more about responsibilities wihtin the team. I see coaches as "managers" for the crew, which make me feel that they should be the only ones reachable from any Championship staff. And I base my argument on the same example you used: sports. It's interesting to read from you how NFL works about it, because I mostly follow soccer leagues and feel they act little bit different. Of course executives go and talk when things go really bad, but usually coaches try to shield the team of those critiques, to keep them focused on the game. And then, I go back to zakk role in all of this: maybe it's time to re-think the role of coaches in CSGO pro scene.
Talking about professionalism, I think the lack of it was shown on hen1 and lucas1 asking to leave after kNgV departure. I mean, I won't quit my job if a friend is fired! And I also hope that IMT doesn't let them leave until the next major. But one side of (at least the brazilian) CSGO pro scene is that teams are more than players under the same org budget. They build a relationship even because most of them need to move from their houses, live together with teammates, struggle together... the whole interation, I think, is different from what we should expect from a soccer team, for instance. So, I don't like someone from my job, I don't need to go back home and face him again another 16 hours...
And that's why I feel that, even having players causing some mess, the lack of people management skills from IMT executives contributed (a lot IMO) to create a bigger problem that this should be.
And we all like to call out about professionalism about those pro players, but in the end we're talking about 20-aged people, which don't have much years as "professionals". So all CSGO orgs need to understand that and guide the players and help them to be more mature. Again, I'm not saying there shouldn't have punishment and orgs need to accept anything, but managers who deal with players need to adapt their managing skills to their audience.
+1 he will, him lucas and hen have the major spot, imt is fucked =p
Rofl that’s what kids think. You are dumb af if you think that they will win something without steel and botz.
but are they hard workers like boltz and steel?
yep I have no doubt there are good players in brazil, but is there in game leader that has a good lead and/or can frag?
that's why I'm saying that they need Boltz and steel
Lucas, Hen, Kng, Fnx, Bit
You are dumb as fk if you think they hold the cards? Immortals still have the rights for hen and lucas. They won't drop them until after the next major regardless of what happens. That way they have zero value only risks for the next org to sign them. You think the players have leverage? Think again. This time, use your brain.
dude, wtf you saying lol
first of all calm down, I know sweden and nip are tier 3 and you mad about it, but calm down, reported for calling me dumb =D
dude, it doesnt matter, lets say imt fuck the players over in every aspect possible: still, they need another cs go team
who da fock will they get??????????????
think with your brain this time =)
if hen lucas and kng dont play for 6 months, they have more chance of success in 2018 than imt lol
and btw, learn some education, why are you losing control and start cursing over people LMAO
sweden tier 3 keep crying pls ='(
#thecryisfree
Who says I'm not calm? I'm just amazed by your stupidity. Didn't think anyone could be this stupid, but gratz for proving it is possible.
Also 0/8, you are just the definition of human garbage.
LMAO
dude you are mad af cursing and talking shit, cuz someone has a different opinion than you
you never said where I'm wrong, or where you are right =p just talking nonsense
and btw
still
swedish cs tier 3 :>
#thecryisfree
why would you feel bad for him? He's not sorry and hasn't apologised for anything he's done
he fucked his career himself, why being sorry for him?
gl knGOD, you will get better!!
Goes to bed at 1am
Couldn't fall asleep until 7am
Hmmm... Prove it or ill kill you
lol retard if you have insomnia you just can't sleep even if you're tired notice that he says on his facebook post that he took pills to sleep but still couldn't only ppl that take pills to sleep are people that have insomnia my mother has it and some nights even tho she takes a bunch of pills she can't sleep.
I have big problems to fall asleep, so i understand he couldnt sleep at the right time
ok
I was not drunk! It's not true! It's bullshit, I was not drunk, I was not... oh hi Noah.
hahah nice reference, I lol'd.
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no comments...
Thats like a novel's end!
We smart, we loyal, we friendly, we are from BRAZIL!
Kreygasm
this guy should stfu for like 2 years straight before publicly speaking again.
#runkNgV
i can't wait till you return and kick all these pussybois asses
lol thinking anyone has to apologise to some slanderer. nt. kNgV already allowed him. FNS should be grateful.
This guy is entitled af lol.
Go kNg!! he is clearly a great guy, and deserves to continue playing the game :D I'm sad steel and boltz will not be playing with kNg and the twins, they were looking amazing !! :( but regardless, nice to see your side of the story, people are jealous and will criticize you and even make up lies to burn your image, sadly there is lots of people like this in our world. Succes my friend!! wish you the best
Stopped reading at "great guy"
Said "great guy" sent a death threat to someone who made a self-deprecating joke and refuses to take full responsibility for what happened.
He's a terrible guy.
Irresponsible, aggressive, unfair to his org and unfair to his teammates Steel and Boltz.
"...some people preferred Immortals over the team..." well, when 3/5 of the team are backstabbing children, I would prefer IMT too
How can you possibly think that "his story" justifies any of what he did? That card doesn't work on the real world son. I'm not "quick to judge", he did wrong again and again and refuses to even apologise for that, he has had more than a second chance and still fucked all up
Mistakes? What did the IMT CEO do? LUL You're saying that just because kng said it... in a very vague way btw... grow up
There is no hard evidence of them going out partying in Montreal the night before their matches. All we have is some stupid tweets. I'm not saying I believe everything kng is saying here but to be fair DH montreal was t3 event and everybody can make a mistake when they are young. Hope he can learn from his mistakes and that these players can keep playing together. It does seem like IMT management had some poor communication with their players.
i think kng is saying the truth. he has been the only who speaks with names and times. before this statement we didnt knew it was kng zakk and hen1 the ones who came up late. we all thought it was kng hen1 and lucas. so, if zakk got late too, why he wasnt kicked? its strange. noah is acting weird. he lost his best roster ever and now probably wont ever have a legend status again
This guy is my idol.
How can you dislike someone like him ???
Best wishes King Vito. Ill be always cheering for you.
still didn't apologize for his ridiculous behavior what a retard
For those who didn't understand why he said "Some players preferred Immortals over the team":
Basically, kng stated that it was steel who told him that he was punished from the game vs CLG. And during the second game of the BO3, Lucas1 and hen1 messaged Nick (immortal's manager) to let him play, and apparently Nick had given him permission. As kng steps in, their CEO secretly kicked him and didn't say a word before publishing the tweet. So basically he's telling that the org Immortals backstabbed him. The expression "some players preferred immortals over the team" means that the plan was to keep their team + coach and all of them left the org because they were two faced towards kNg, but boltz and steel refused to leave with them.
It's insane how the things turned out to happen, how a simple miscommunication ends up in such a big split up, and a team simply not be able to continue their big journey together... it's sad.
They won't. Immortals will, if they aren't stupid, hold on to the rights of lucas and hen until after the next major. That way all three have zero value only risks for the next org that might have been looking to sign them. Noone with a reputation is gonna touch them at that point.
wow now i see, kng is a good boy, i feel sad for him :(
I just posted "prove it or ill kill you" , some salty br cunts reported it and it got deleted.
talk about being triggered
pls kng stop playing
Punjabi fucked him over. Hahaha
Deserved to get kicked. Hopefully no organisation picks this asshole up
lol you morons knows nothing about business. No big company will sponsor a team who has a player throwing deaththreats left and right, kngs only chance of a career is to find players whos willing to live off tournaments winings only, which will never happen so basically he's done, love it.
Ok
Is it just me, or does kNg look a LOT like byali??
Cry little monkey, cry. Just got what you deserved. You dont belong to the human's world. Go back to your cage.
Prove it
yeah, noah whinston didn't tell kNg he was suspended. Fuck off. We all know that's bullshit. But even so, steel told him he was suspended. Absolutely no excuse for him playing at that point, and no excuse for the twins lying to him. All three of them should never be signed to a halfway reputable org ever again.
how do you know that's bullshit? lets bring up some facts
people responsible for Immortals twitter tweeted this twitter.com/Immortals/status/91030971435.. saying that they would bring KNG for the second map, so it clearly shows that the communication inside the org is shit
you said that Steel told him that he was suspended but after that Hen1 and Lucas spoke with twitter.com/swaguhsaurus Immortals manager, and he cleared KNG, now, maybe he didn't know Noah's decision too since we saw that people behind their twitter didn't.
plus there's the fact that Noah never made KNG suspesion public, what would be the reason behind that?
I didn't see the tweet saying they would bring in kng for the second map, do you have an actual link?
Idk why, but I think it's more likely that Hen1 and Lucas1 lied about talking to the manager. It makes no sense that steel would know, but the manager wouldn't.
And the reason he wouldn't make the suspension public is that the suspension was meant to give Immortals time to investigate. No reason to publicly announce a suspension if you haven't decided on a real punishment yet, and why let him play with bad ping if he's just gonna get kicked at the end of it?
misleading title
"some players preferred Immortals over the team" this statement killed me
He obviously didn't prefer the org over cachaça in Montreal
Everything happens for a reason, idc about his whimpers
"In a Reddit post, Mr. Whinston has revealed that he will make a public statement about the CS:GO team on Friday. "
he needs more than 24hours to perfectly formulate a perfect defence statement to tr discredit the players and protect himself, but whats the point. justification wont fix anything, you ruined a top5 team just because the community disliked 1 tweet reply to a defamation statement
maybe you should listen to kNg and ask FNS to prove they were out partying, instead of crucifying your own players FFS
"SOME PLAYERS PREFERRED IMMORTALS OVER THE TEAM"
Jeez I wonder why, they had to choose between getting a 15k salary from the org or playing with unprofessional ppl..
Can't believe he's playing the victim card after all the shit that went on LUL
I hope the twins open their eyes and realize how much they are throwing away because of this guy..
guess what....
CRY IS FREE!
Immortals CEO is a party pooper and should feel bad.
The party never stops.
These skilled players will now join an org that will respect their way of life.
respect their way of life???? they were late on f*cking MAJOR FINAL................. as a German you should understand it better than others. they disrespect respect all except themselves...
take a deep breath
ty
Sad that KNG won't just man up and take responsibility for his actions. Regardless of all the twitter shit, he could have said "we fucked up and were late to a grand final, this is unacceptable" instead he writes 4 paragraphs of excuses which are ultimately that they were sleeping. The fact is, you're a professional representing a multi million dollar organization with multi million dollar sponsors. You need to act like a professional and not make the org look bad. I hope he and the twins can learn from this and make better choices in the future. However, it really seems like they're doubling down and pretending it wasn't that bad. If the twins really do go back to Brazil, immortals will call their bluff and have some insane buyout that no org will pay. Feels bad for steel and boltz, they're both great players who will be stuck in this shit storm and probably get fucked over. KNG airing all this shit on Facebook makes him no better than the IMT CEO. Both should realize as professionals you keep that shit in house and don't take it public.
KNG fucked up hard by showing up late for semi-finals and finals game, and then talking shit to fns and not apologizing afterward. He is in the wrong-side on this story and deserved some punishment. However, I am pretty sure that the classic internet witch hunt blowed this shit out of proportion (I mean kicking him from IMT and dismantling a major finalist team) and I will explain why:
Lets be honest: there is zero evidence that the IMT trio was drinking and partying the night before DH grand-final other than clg ryu's tweet saying "some people, and I'm not saying who, told me they were partying".
Taking into consideration the story told by kng on facebook, that few days before DH Montreal he had serious VISA issues that made him be detained in USA immigration department for 2 days, making it necessary taking a flight to Brazil, and then flying back to Montreal THE SAME DAY, 12 hours before DH Montreal started, it is pretty possible that he was tired as fuck and jet-lagged during the tournament.
I think FNS is a nice guy but honestly, I don't know what he was thinking when he made that tweet saying they lost to a team who had 3 players hungover. First of all, he NEVER MADE IT CLEAR it was a joke, his tweet literally only said "Worst part is I lost to a team with 3 players who were hung over >:(". Dude, come on, everybody already knows that the IMT trio has a fame of being unprofessional party animals, they had already been punished losing one map at the grand-finals for being late, cant you fucking see that this tweet is only throwing more fuel into the witch hunters fire? Can't you see that this joke was obviously feeding false rumors on people that had already put themselves in a very bad/delicate situation? Seriously how the fuck are people supposed to tell whether if it is a joke or a salty comment after losing the semi-finals game?
If KNG didn't party/drink the night before the grand-finals like he says, and let me say it again there is zero real evidence that they did, he has all the right in the world to be pissed off with FNS. OBVIOUSLY, IT DOESNT GIVE KNG THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT HE WILL KILL ANYBODY, but let's be fucking honest, seriously, what are the odds that he was talking about murder when he said prove it or ill kill you? If he had any real intention of murdering FNS, would he fucking post it on twitter before trying to do it? We all have seen a thousand times angry people saying I will kill you when they actually meant I will kick your ass or I will punch you. I KNOW THAT THREATENING ANYONE WITH VIOLENCE IS ALWAYS WRONG, but there is a very big difference between wanting to physically assault and wanting to actually murder someone.
KNG is definitely wrong for not apologizing to FNS, but seriously, who here has never done the same mistake of saying things you actually didn't intend to do in a moment where you were really angry? Yes kng may not be a very likable person and deserved some punishment, but the internet witch hunt made this shit go out of proportion. If the exact same story had happened with some pro-player that has a big fan base I am sure that 90% of the community wouldn't react the same way and it would end up with a 1-month salary withdraw, watching an anger issues seminar or something like that.
dude, you can say, ill fk your mum. but dont kill anyone...
+1
It doesn't comes down to this twitter post.
This Twitter post is a secondary part of this story.
More important is... Comes to late to an LAN final... Fans buy for this. Disrespectful as fuck to the fans and the tournament organizers.
Then he made a awful post...
But immortal suspend him and he gave a fuck about what immortal said.
That is not professional that is a behavior like a 12 years old kid
And that is the reason why hopefully never plays again in a pro clan
"It was just five minutes, it would have been good sense [to wait] to not ruin the final... Oh well, rules are rules." ..hahah
YOU GUYS ruined the finals! not the organizers! if you are too stupid to follow RULES it is YOUR FAULT! ffs that retard really is blaming the organizers...
Man, here in brazil the things are different. We never arrive at the right time... I know that for you it's a big mistake, but for us it's normal... Thatt's why he said it...
Learn not to be an intoleran, our culture is different in many ways as your culture too.
I explained to you, u didnt understand. It means that youre the only monkey here
Once again you're are acting like a monkey. I didnt say it is acceptable, what I said was that, here in brazil, we have a "jeitinho brasileiro" that something like 5 minutes wouldnt give WO to immortals. I didnt said it's right, just that it's normal that he think the game could be realized.
You're a professional, start acting like it. You will be given another chance elsewhere, but if you don't get your shit together and fuck up again like this, you're done.
I love all this drama
No one cares about kNg.. he should just cry himself to sleep
#freekng
WoW, here comes the perpetrator throwing the victim card. Dude..... Just accept you have a shitty behaviour, or you will never improve it.
pls stop using the internet kng... its anoying. stop it.
kNgV did nothing wrong. You're a virgin if you disagree because real men don't waste time playing games, they party and fuck bitches.
+1
I feel like all of this could have been avoided with an alarm.
Singapore scene LOL
still no excuse for the death threat... what a sad person he is
when 3/5 of the team is a bunch a irresponsible children, then yeah... I would choose the org too
+1
This liar and cry baby should finally leave esports. Go back to your home and come never back.
Immortal gave you work paid you a salery and helped you out of a bad life and you still not thankful.
Not need to be thankful but respect is the only thing that you should have... Nope you hurt them by ur selfish behavior.
Guys like you should never be able to play for money.
Steel, boltz, fnx, Horvyy, cogu. Crazy but interesting. xD
Vito "TwoFaced" Toledo
An Italian team should hire KngV since he's half Italian and
this team could be expose his wine and alcohol brands.
KngV the italian hope
/discuss
Don't have solid proof, but either way he's still shifting the blame and hasn't fully accepted responsibility for being late.