ELEAGUE Major 2018 to use Swiss format

Professeur
December 30th, 2017 18:40

The Challengers Stage and the Legends Stage of the ELEAGUE Major 2018 will be played out using the Swiss format, the tournament organizer has confirmed.

Min-Sik Ko, the VP of Tournament Operations at ELEAGUE, revealed details on the format that will be used at the upcoming Major.

The decision was made to continue using the Swiss format for both the Challengers Stage (formerly known as the Main Qualifier) and the Legends Stage (formerly the group stage of the Major). 

ELEAGUE will continue using the Swiss format for the Major

The Swiss format was first used at a CS:GO event during the Main Qualifier for ESL One Cologne 2016. The format was then accepted and utilized for both the Main Qualifiers and the group stages of the two Majors that were held in 2017, ELEAGUE Atlanta and PGL Krakow.

#1
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United Kingdom iMarbot 
This isn't news... it has been obvious in-game since sticker release. Also an awful format, but everyone already knew that too... - All Bo1s - Terrible 1st round seeding - No re-seeing after 1st round - Upsets very likely to screw over better teams
2017-12-30 18:50
WHERES THE TOP 20 2018???????
2017-12-30 18:42
#60
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
On January 1st
2017-12-30 18:52
It was always the end of the year
2017-12-30 18:54
sorry! memory erro
2017-12-30 18:58
#75
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
Iit's fine.
2017-12-30 18:58
#88
BnTeT | 
Indonesia TopChek 
It's* lit means basically amazing, sry i had to correct it :)
2017-12-30 19:10
#98
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Denmark Twikzera 
No lit's fine is the correct word* Get your own grammar on track kiddo
2017-12-30 19:16
#131
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Austria DR!FT 
^no just monkey
2017-12-30 19:52
happy new ban easy report, thank you
2017-12-30 19:54
#139
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Austria DR!FT 
2017-12-30 20:08
you did not hurt me, I do not feel sad about losers, their lives usually suck already.
2017-12-30 20:10
#145
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Austria DR!FT 
UHU UH UHH HHUU HUHH did u understand that? :D
2017-12-30 20:14
I do not know Austrian, sorry.
2017-12-30 20:14
#158
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Austria DR!FT 
hahaha ik that monkeys dont speak german
2017-12-30 20:26
Austrians do not either :P
2017-12-30 20:54
#175
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Austria DR!FT 
:ppPPpPPppPpPP
2017-12-30 20:57
:P
2017-12-30 21:16
#159
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Austria DR!FT 
UHU U HUHUH UUHUHUH UHUHUH
2017-12-30 20:26
Dont mind him, he is probably 12.
2017-12-30 20:54
that's fine m8 :) the aggressiveness and lack of happiness is within him and he will not pass me have a great new year
2017-12-30 21:21
#192
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Austria DR!FT 
"within him and he will not pass me" dude wtf, im not trying to make you cry, its hltv. youre talking like your lifes shit dude wtf
2017-12-30 21:23
#194
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Austria DR!FT 
if youre looking for ppl to cheer you up, youre in the wrong fcking website, its about cs and monkeys uhuh uhuhuhu
2017-12-30 21:24
Lula's voter the best cancer in the world 0/8
2017-12-30 21:29
who is you?
2017-12-30 21:29
#206
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Austria DR!FT 
who is you?
2017-12-30 21:40
Have a nice, 2018 :)
2018-01-01 00:21
thank you mr w1nthoil
2017-12-30 21:30
NiKo #11 LOL
2017-12-31 00:39
#116
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Germany zeolikk 
No
2017-12-30 19:36
its not end of the year yet maybe tomorrow
2017-12-30 21:10
i think we need 2017 first
2017-12-31 16:03
why not bo3 groupstage???? Kys eleague
2017-12-30 18:42
Good teams need to get good by being consistent.
2017-12-30 19:07
that doesn't mean anything, at the end of the day, with the state the game is atm, any team can beat any team. Why do you think finals aren't bo1 ?
2017-12-30 19:12
Consistent winning is part of being a good team even best BO1. Lose 1 or 2 BO1s and you are still fine. CSGO teams have never been (consistent). If you ever watch the leagues now, teams only occasionally go 2-0 and usually go 1-1. Being consistently winning in any situation has always been the anchor of a good franchise for ANY sport. Top teams aren't as good as they think because they shit the bed when it comes to consistency.
2017-12-30 19:16
tell me how can a team train to get consistent. Cuz there is only one way and they're all doing it seeing how pros take cs seriously nowadays. " If you ever watch the leagues now, teams only occasionally go 2-0 and usually go 1-1" You just look at scores and jump to conclusions, without even taking the maps into account, or actually watching the games and analyze what went wrong.
2017-12-30 19:24
#107
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United Kingdom iMarbot 
You're missing the point...
2017-12-30 19:25
#120
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United Kingdom iMarbot 
If you really want to understand the issues, watch this video... youtube.com/watch?v=fdKg97gkUtI
2017-12-30 19:40
You're using logic that doesn't apply to CS scenarios. But, to use your own flawed views against you: Let's look at baseball. Baseball teams play each other in series, because no single game really determines who won (it's the nature of the sport). The World Series is a 7 game affair, for the very reasons you're arguing "great teams" shouldn't have to deal with. A single game for determination of who is better is an awful misrepresentation of actual facts. Look at SK, when they first entered the international scene the only map they were good on was Mirage. Everyone who played Mirage against them lost. It's an imbalance due to any number of factors, but you're being close minded. The history of CS has shown us (for nearly 20 years, mind you) that Bo1 games don't tell us about consistency. Period.
2017-12-30 20:19
Talking about baseball to europeans lul. Fuck off Baseball we have Football ( the real Football )
2017-12-30 21:08
He said "any" sport, stop trying that weak ass bait.
2017-12-30 23:33
You can technically use your own logic against you to, hence College and NFL Football playoffs. ;P
2017-12-31 10:04
Which also is an issue with the College playoffs. Look at Auburn this season, they nearly booted GA and AL out of the playoff race entirely based on single games. GA was lucky since they got to replay AU, but AL only got into the games on grace. It just goes to show how often 1-off games can really complicate a scenario, it doesn't really counter my point it mostly enforces it.
2017-12-31 20:31
such a reasonable #1 comment. +1 so sick of this bo1 no reseeding bullshit
2017-12-30 19:15
#246
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Slovakia wai7ing 
Yes fuck the system like seriously There are 7 billions of people on this planet but there ain't one person that can bring us better format than this bullshit Can't believe man
2017-12-31 01:39
#126
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Europe fox_fanboyyy 
DUDDUUUDDUDUUDUUUDUUU
2017-12-30 19:43
#151
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United Kingdom Jet_ 
How did your type that all and get 1?
2017-12-30 20:21
#163
elemeNt | 
Russia G0A1L 
I still remember North vs. GODSENT IMO,the best BO1 on Majors
2017-12-30 20:30
#219
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Sweden Trkmag 
Was real good but flusha and JW broke their playoff streak at majors :(
2017-12-30 22:39
#177
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Sweden ThorinEk 
DUDUUDUDUDUUUDUDUDUDUDD
2017-12-30 21:07
didn't need to post that on reddit boi
2017-12-30 21:14
#208
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United Kingdom iMarbot 
The more people who realize Swiss in its current state is utterly flawed, the better...
2017-12-30 21:47
So its just good news for you since your favorite team is LIQUID
2017-12-30 21:57
#239
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Macedonia AstralisGoat 
Or you know the "good" teams could actually get prepared and actually put some effort and practice into the game instead of relying on their fanboys to make up every excuse possible for them losing.
2017-12-31 00:44
#249
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Norway Fant0s 
+1
2017-12-31 02:36
#255
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United States HEUGO1 
If you're worried about top teams getting upset by less expecting teams, a good way to fix that is by always having the better team win.
2017-12-31 03:34
#259
s1mple | 
Iceland cy_ro 
oinkoinkoinkoink
2017-12-31 05:10
#267
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Europe Pl4yed 
True, awful format for a "serious" tournament. Also I would add the luck of the draw in every round plays a huge role, much greater than say a group stage where you play every other team. That is why I love the international format for a serious lan, they play every other team two times in two groups of 8. By the time they are done the favorites pretty much guaranteed to be top 4, and if some other strong team messes up they have the lower bracket to prove them selves. Last international final 4 were the top4 from the group stage.
2017-12-31 08:12
#280
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Switzerland Captain_red 
If a team gets uoset its their mistake they could have done the preparation so why should lower tem not also have a chance and its better then the grouo format where there will always be 1or2 undfair groups and also in the group stages there where bo1s so i dint get your problem
2017-12-31 12:15
#282
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Finland TomiVerk 
Why do you consider upsets a negative thing? Obviously it's nice to have best possible match-ups in playoffs, but what about the long-term effect it has? If there were none, wouldn't it become boring?
2017-12-31 12:29
#297
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United Kingdom iMarbot 
The issue isn't the upset, the issue is there no no proper seeding, which when added with upsets and random draws can lead to 2 top 6 teams fighting each other in round 2, meaning one team is gonna be 0-2 after round 2...
2017-12-31 18:28
How is that awful
2018-01-15 05:19
so tired of swiss. we've had it for like 3 majors straight and now its getting so annoying. great teams are getting eliminated because they aren't good at bo1s and shit teams are getting lucky
2017-12-30 18:42
#32
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Germany elseen 
I want the old group System back
2017-12-30 18:43
#49
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Hungary Tschonti 
yeah because a 100thieves, big + 2 challangers would be great and balanced. Imagine this: Group A: 100thieves, Big, SS, Renegades Group B: Astralis, SK, FaZe, G2 This would be easily possible if ss or renegades did well at the qualifier, and faze or g2 struggled Edit: I prefer the GSL groups too, but the majors from 6 months ago should have no impact on the seeding
2017-12-30 18:49
-SS -LAN Pick one
2017-12-30 18:49
BEASTARES
2017-12-30 18:57
#80
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Germany add_xizt_ffs 
HAXARES
2017-12-30 19:05
THANKARES
2017-12-30 19:22
#114
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Kazakhstan TimaTea 
GODTARES
2017-12-30 19:35
LANTARES
2017-12-30 21:21
OBI-WANTARES
2018-01-01 12:18
No
2017-12-30 19:42
#152
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Croatia DNM_ii 
SS 16 - 14 SK :D
2017-12-30 20:22
Throw,fluke,luck,Bo1 that was only reasons why ss won this
2017-12-30 21:45
Fuck off kiddo
2017-12-31 11:57
Oh sorry that Im denying only achivement which this onliners have
2017-12-31 12:23
#76
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Japan Trolek 
Make major for 32 teams, Legends would be in each group of 8 and random teams would be choosed, like in champions league...
2017-12-30 19:00
#81
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Hungary Tschonti 
again, RNG they should rather use either HLTV's or some familiar rankings
2017-12-30 19:06
#93
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Japan Trolek 
Easy, First team = legendary Second team = 1 of 8 teams which ended up 8-16 in previous major 16 teams left from qualification or stuff, split them into 2 group by the results and 3. team in group team with better results and 4th team some shit...
2017-12-30 19:13
#99
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Hungary Tschonti 
"but the majors from 6 months ago should have no impact on the seeding" Which word do you not understand? Edit: according to you, big and 100thieves would still be legends, which is total bullshit
2017-12-30 19:19
#101
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Japan Trolek 
i didnt read it anywhere, sorry :/ then make 1 big league like LCS and it´s done
2017-12-30 19:21
100thieves arent bullshit immortals was actually good and this team has potential
2017-12-30 21:22
#284
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Hungary Tschonti 
But a team that hasn't played an official match in like 5 months shouldn't have the top seed, regardless of their achievements. They also changed two players, including their igl, so we don't know shit about them
2017-12-31 12:42
they achieved in last major so its fair. dont bitch about legend spots. Maybe bug was unfair
2017-12-31 15:52
#296
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Hungary Tschonti 
we want the majors to be the best and fairest event of the year. Look at cologne 2016, g2 was eliminated in the groups after losing bo1s to fnatic and sk, two top4 teams at that time. They won ecs s1 (?) like a week before that, they could've easily made it to the semis. Instead, clg had a high seed, even tho their team was failing apart. The legend system is broken and pointless with 6 months between majors
2017-12-31 17:14
#94
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Czech Republic PZKenny 
Yeah, old system was great.. Like when TOP 3 teams was in 1 group at ESL One Cologne 2014.
2017-12-30 19:14
#122
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United States chovka 
LMAO
2017-12-30 19:41
People complained about old system for about year, but now that there is Swiss system, they want it back. Jesus, how stupid HLTV "analysts" are? Prime example of old groups system - ESL One Cologne: - SK, Fnatic and G2 - 3 top 4 teams at that moment in the same group, with 4th team being FaZe who were #8. - Na'Vi, F3 and Gambit getting legends spot due to other groups being shit, all of them got shrekt in QF. - Fnatic having easy opponent (Gambit) to get into semis. - Liquid having easiest run of their life, being lucky to win against slumping Na'Vi, slumping Fnatic to get into Finals + being heavily carried by s1mple. - SK getting easiest major belt of their life, rekting Liquid 16-7 16-6 (who were just lucky to be in finals), only team that wasn't shit at Cologne 2016 except SK was VP, whom SK won, but otherwise easy major and Astralis was not bad, but they had 2 standins.
2017-12-31 11:40
#129
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France StickyRice 
GSL is the most boring thing ever, especially with awful seeds we have had in the past. At least with Swiss draws are made after each round of play.
2017-12-30 19:50
Good teams need to get good by being consistent.
2017-12-30 19:07
#212
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Europe RBN_FRT 
"Good teams need to get good by being consistent." an already good team doesn't have to become good anymore, don't you think?
2017-12-30 22:08
#166
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Italy Div-\ 
+161651651
2017-12-30 20:40
#3
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Finland Nikkoton 
First Edit: feels bad man
2017-12-30 18:41
Your comment was even dated before #1
2017-12-30 18:54
#125
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Finland Nikkoton 
yeah feels bad man
2017-12-30 19:43
#260
BnTeT | 
Other TEEZY 
2017-12-30 18:50 this is the date when it got edited, not posted, so no, his comment wasn't dated before #1
2017-12-31 05:30
expected after pick em challenge
2017-12-30 18:41
#41
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Denmark oskarsports 
agree - dont know why people are surprised
2017-12-30 18:45
People are surprised?
2017-12-30 20:12
IE
2017-12-30 18:41
#6
GeT_RiGhT | 
Russia W!z3r 
Lol
2017-12-30 18:41
why not bo3 groups tage???? Kys eleague
2017-12-30 18:41
#38
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CIS c4ncie 
don't you want qb fire in play off's?
2017-12-30 18:44
#57
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France Waiit 
Bo1's is better for shitty team...
2017-12-30 18:51
#221
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Norway FLEX9INE 
WHY NOT EPICENTER FORMAT!!!!!1!!!!
2017-12-30 22:43
Xui
2017-12-30 18:41
looooooooooooool ez for 100 thieves and big again.
2017-12-30 18:41
Bad
2017-12-30 18:41
Ffs
2017-12-30 18:41
#12
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United States loltyler1 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RUINED
2017-12-30 18:41
eZ for AE86
2017-12-30 18:41
#14
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Turkey lulpump1 
Yess
2017-12-30 18:42
#15
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United Kingdom alxmeister 
ez for nip
2017-12-30 18:42
#180
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United States FlagMaster 
+1
2017-12-30 21:12
dont understand how people is that fast. They must sit F5 all the time LOL
2017-12-30 18:42
#209
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United States MarkerTassel 
If I'm fast it's because I have notifications on and see the post
2017-12-30 21:57
#17
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Denmark MikeKerr 
You know an event is a joke when the worlds best has admitted that they're not practising for it
2017-12-30 18:42
they are practising. and when they lose they will use their "not practising" excuse
2017-12-30 18:43
#44
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Denmark MikeKerr 
I'm not an sk fan in this context, but they have admitted that they'd rather practise with boltz to focus on the later tournaments than practice with felps and lose training time with boltz. I'm sorry but for more than just sk this is the worst major in years
2017-12-30 18:46
its only because felps. if they had boltz they would practice so its not that the event is bad its just that fallen is 2faced
2017-12-30 21:25
FaZe too doesn't practice?
2017-12-30 18:55
#78
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Denmark MikeKerr 
Ok my comment says it kinda bluntly and stupidly Sk will have to play with felps instead of boltz, and boltz should be allowed to play had it not been for the absolute stupid minor system and all the immortals drama. Sk have stated that they're going to practise with boltz to focus on the other tournaments after the major, and therefore don't want to lose training time by playing with felps. This is the least prestigeous major in a very long time. Sk can't play with steel, astralis may have to play with zonic and sk with a player that they aren't going to practice with. Don't quote me on this but guardian has said himself that winning that major wouldn't be much more than an average tournament with a big pricepool
2017-12-30 19:06
#112
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Slovakia SLAVak 
Liquid can't play with steel*
2017-12-30 19:34
againnn swiss format... agaaiinnnn
2017-12-30 18:42
#20
fnx | 
Estonia Pervertb0Y 
This was to be expected, but it was necessary to change the format.
2017-12-30 18:43
#22
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Russia PumpKingRus 
Won't be surprised if a tier3 team wins the major again
2017-12-30 18:42
#113
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Ukraine Chipaet 
Bo3 shows who is really strong.
2017-12-30 19:35
tier 2**
2017-12-30 21:26
#24
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Brazil LukkasYuki 
So ez for Sk and 100Thieves
2017-12-30 18:42
#25
oskar | 
United States tmbs1 
Fuck E-League
2017-12-30 18:42
#26
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Brazil cadik 
SWITZERLAND BANK ACCOUNT
2017-12-30 18:42
#27
kNgV- | 
Brazil codezera 
ez for BIG
2017-12-30 18:42
#28
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Poland raaVz 
rip
2017-12-30 18:43
Are you fucking joking with me? How are we still lightyears behind every other esport when it comes to organizing. So fucking shit. Actually wouldn't surprise me if we see FaZe go out in the challenger stages. Fucking retards
2017-12-30 18:43
It won't be surprising because FaZe's team is a clusterfuck. Virtus.Pro will win the Major.
2017-12-30 18:53
0/8 bait
2017-12-30 19:09
You're free to bookmark it, truth isn't a bait.
2017-12-30 19:30
virtus.pro always gets to playoffs so wouldnt be as big of a surprise as gambit
2017-12-30 21:27
#211
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United States MarkerTassel 
People don't talk about it much but Gambit are definitely OnLaners.
2017-12-30 21:58
just like VP but worse
2017-12-30 22:13
Good.
2017-12-30 18:43
#33
BigDog | 
Japan LiLeX 
Fuck
2017-12-30 18:43
BIG EZ WIN
2017-12-30 18:43
RIP FAZE 0-3
2017-12-30 18:43
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
2017-12-30 18:43
Oh wow misfits vs qbf final you heard it here first
2017-12-30 18:44
#43
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Austria SplasJ 
Would be nice
2017-12-30 18:45
Would be nice
2017-12-30 19:09
#108
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United States ichibaNcs 
Would be nice
2017-12-30 19:27
#117
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Kazakhstan TimaTea 
Would be niiiiiiice
2017-12-30 19:37
#261
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Indonesia FinZzz 
Nice would be
2017-12-31 06:43
nice be would
2017-12-31 11:41
a potentially good system but no seeding again? you would think by the third major and many tier 1 events theyd have this down already so disappointing tbh
2017-12-30 18:44
#42
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Sweden aer1aL 
0-3 FaZe
2017-12-30 18:45
FeelsLULMan Fucking valve seems like they want upsets, well I'm not complaining since now FaZe at least has a better chance at 0-3 again :D
2017-12-30 18:46
Bring back the old system ffs
2017-12-30 18:46
#48
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Brazil gabriezz1 
SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT, ELEAGUE = SHIT
2017-12-30 18:48
nooo and its valve tho
2017-12-30 21:27
#53
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Slovakia bombmeister 
omfg...group system better...
2017-12-30 18:50
#56
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Nepal Mury1611 
neasi best format
2017-12-30 18:51
expected from valve, boring group stages inc, wake me up when quarterfinals will be
2017-12-30 18:52
#69
sergej | 
Finland Jonzu95 
Kappa
2017-12-30 18:57
#59
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Spain ThePatron 
Ez 4 Optic
2017-12-30 18:52
unexpected
2017-12-30 18:56
Terrible format :/ Why do they insist in it?
2017-12-30 18:56
#71
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Netherlands Maksta 
Valve want upsets
2017-12-30 18:58
#77
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
People do not like the format, but I think it's the best to use for tournaments of this scale. I love the Swiss format and it'll be an incredible regardless of who loses to who.
2017-12-30 19:00
#79
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Netherlands Maksta 
You forgot your regards. I didn't teach you to be so disrespectful.
2017-12-30 19:05
#85
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
My regards? I will always wish others well and that they have the best of days, I don't need to type it in every post in order for this to be true. Have a good day, friend. ^^
2017-12-30 19:09
#215
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Europe RBN_FRT 
I totally see your point here, but don't you think BO1s lets too much space for upsets, and that using this to their advantage some lower tiers teams could go much deeper in the tournament than they actually deserve? Don't get me wrong, I totally see reasons why some people like swiss system, but idk, I don't really like the format, imo I'd rather have BO3s and watch less surprising wins for the minor/group stage results and have better matchups in the playoffs, if lower tier teams made it up there I guess they would deserve their spot more than by wining a bunch of BO1.
2017-12-30 22:17
#226
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
At least the format is consistent and fair. BO1's might be taboo in many ways, but the format is extremely easy to follow the for all players - hence why CS:GO Majors will always use this format. There are pros and cons to this format, but for the audience and management/organisation (ELEAGUE, this time being), it's the easiest to work with by far.
2017-12-30 23:11
#299
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Italy 1257Legend 
You don't even give a compelling reason.
2017-12-31 19:54
#305
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Post #215 disagrees with you. I also elaborated further in post #206 - but instead of instantly denying a post, why don't YOU give examples, FLCEVY5? Have a good day and I hope you had a great New Year.
2018-01-01 13:13
#306
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Italy 1257Legend 
Both of those posts were made long after you posted yours. You just said you love the swiss format and not much else. I expected better from you. Me? I dont like it because BO1s just suck, upset heaven for all underdogs.
2018-01-01 13:15
#307
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Well that is respectable and subjective. You didn't "expect" anything at all from me as I know from our previous conversations with one another. I simply gave my opinion as you did yours, that is that. Have a good day and I hope you had a good New Years.
2018-01-01 13:17
#309
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Italy 1257Legend 
Understood You too.
2018-01-01 13:17
#84
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Germany Vini_1337 
DUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUD
2017-12-30 19:08
ARE U HYPED FOR SPROUT VS QUANTUM BELLADOR FIRE PogChamp
2017-12-30 19:11
#91
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Liberia GibMoneyPlox 
DUDUDUDUUDUDUDDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUUDDUDUDUDUUDUDUDDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUUDDUDUDUDUUDUDUDDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUUDDUDUDUDUUDUDUDDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUUDDUDUDUDUUDUDUDDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUUDDUDUDUDUUDUDUDDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUUD
2017-12-30 19:11
#92
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Kuwait Aleksndr 
N1
2017-12-30 19:12
DUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDU MEME btw shit format
2017-12-30 19:15
Ez 0-3 FaZe
2017-12-30 19:19
imagine faze clan & sk gaming out of groups.. hltv will explode haha xD
2017-12-30 19:22
gg
2017-12-30 19:23
What does it mean? Was it different on the previous Major?
2017-12-30 19:31
swiss is good retards, i remember when people liked it before circlejerking
2017-12-30 19:33
#165
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Azerbaijan Talley 
yeah why people think swiss system is bad? because faze can't win 3 bo1 games out of 5 against tier3 teams?
2017-12-30 20:33
#115
liTTle | 
CIS Dowa) 
shit format*
2017-12-30 19:36
#118
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World smash143 
I like the swiss format but its main flaw is the random seedings, if EL fixed that it would be mint.
2017-12-30 19:38
#119
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Kazakhstan TimaTea 
Thank you Switzerland Fuckin med kit
2017-12-30 19:38
#121
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France StickyRice 
Swiss is by far the best format (round robin with 6 teams per group is great as well), only overrated teams complain that they are out after losing 3 BO1 out of 3, 4 or 5. Good teams (almost) never lose 3BO1 out of 5 max.
2017-12-30 19:40
#124
f0rest | 
Argentina GZ^ 
shit again
2017-12-30 19:42
Happy new year from mars
2017-12-30 19:46
#128
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Norway anMu 
FUCK YOU WITH SWISS FORMAT FFS!!!!
2017-12-30 19:47
getting to playoffs without winning a bo3 :-D :-D and its a major hahahaha
2017-12-30 19:57
#134
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Brazil ItsAvenn 
Lool
2017-12-30 20:00
#135
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Turkey Ch0p$1sh 
It should be nice format for viewers. It contains A lot of excitement bc the format causes al llot of upsets and surprises
2017-12-30 20:02
#136
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Sweden godname 
NOO FUCK HELL
2017-12-30 20:04
#137
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Russia good1s0n 
Fuck this bo1 shit, honestly. Any team can just grind the fuck out of 3 popular maps like Mirage, Cache and Inferno, and they will in 99% of cases ban down to one of them. Then get a legend spot and instarekt in quarters. Ez
2017-12-30 20:06
#245
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France StickyRice 
BO1 swiss system is not the problem. 8 (so you only need to reach quarters) teams remaining legends is the problem. There should be 4 legends maximum, maybe only 2.
2017-12-31 01:01
#250
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Russia good1s0n 
I don't think we can single out one "main" problem with the Majors. It's the seeding (or the lack thereof), the legend status issue, bo1s to gain the said status, ridiculous roster lock rules. And that's just off the top of my head
2017-12-31 02:50
fuck this shit dude
2017-12-30 20:08
nice
2017-12-30 20:10
#142
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Germany add_xizt_ffs 
Faze 0-3 Fnatic will win ez #runFNC
2017-12-30 20:11
#169
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India bozzmob 
I so badly want to see them comeback! Fnatic <3
2017-12-30 20:49
faze 0-3 ez vp top 1
2017-12-30 20:12
#146
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Turkey eXeF 
1-3 Faze, 2-3G2, 3-2 SS I think.
2017-12-30 20:14
not again... ugh
2017-12-30 20:15
#149
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Canada Matomoto 
Would be much better if it were Bo3s
2017-12-30 20:17
#270
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Russia AyvaN 
xDDDDDDDDD
2017-12-31 09:25
not really a bad format, but it needs a better seeding system, like for example facing teams according to their result during last major for legends and previous qualifier for challengers, or maybe do it according to HLTV ranking, also teams that lost 2 games should get BO3 matches to be saved, it is fucked up that a team could get eliminated without any BO3's played
2017-12-30 20:25
fucking hltv bug made my comment appear 3 times
2017-12-30 20:26
not really a bad format, but it needs a better seeding system, like for example facing teams according to their result during last major for legends and previous qualifier for challengers, or maybe do it according to HLTV ranking, also teams that lost 2 games should get BO3 matches to be saved, it is fucked up that a team could get eliminated without any BO3's played
2017-12-30 20:25
not really a bad format, but it needs a better seeding system, like for example facing teams according to their result during last major for legends and previous qualifier for challengers, or maybe do it according to HLTV ranking, also teams that lost 2 games should get BO3 matches to be saved, it is fucked up that a team could get eliminated without any BO3's played
2017-12-30 20:25
#157
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Germany sunnyrain 
its sad how the majors always have the worst format and that valve needs ages to adapt
2017-12-30 20:25
#161
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United States blinDi 
GOD DAMNIT
2017-12-30 20:27
whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
2017-12-30 20:29
Shit format again ffs
2017-12-30 20:30
#167
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Italy Div-\ 
Imho swiss is good but elimination matches -the ones between x-2 teams- should be bo3s since a single bo1 can be so random...
2017-12-30 20:43
#185
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United States FlagMaster 
+1
2017-12-30 21:17
that's what I said, but no one gave a fuck T_T
2017-12-30 22:36
#279
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Italy Div-\ 
I feel you man.
2017-12-31 11:59
#285
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Norway FLEX9INE 
ur not alone BibleThump
2017-12-31 13:01
#313
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
NiP 2 - 16 Vega Memoiries ;-;
2018-01-03 12:44
#168
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Norway felt 
Why is it "Swiss"?
2017-12-30 20:48
it was first used in a swiss chess torunament if I'm not mistaken
2017-12-30 22:38
#225
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Norway felt 
thanks
2017-12-30 23:09
#170
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Kazakhstan ezBORAT 
nice format LUL
2017-12-30 20:50
RIP FaZe
2017-12-30 20:55
#174
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Brazil kick_michu 
rip VP i think
2017-12-30 20:55
#182
NiKo | 
Poland Jaruzel 
Shit format. Could be so much better if all deciders (if you have 2 wins or 2 loses) were BO3 and the rest of the matches could be BO1.
2017-12-30 21:14
why cant they just copy dota 2 major format
2017-12-30 21:15
Because they're stupid nothing more to say.
2017-12-31 15:12
#186
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Ethiopia Venom_ 
How 2 ruin the major 101
2017-12-30 21:18
bo1 deciders oy vey
2017-12-30 21:19
#191
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Brazil spaark1 
nooooooo please
2017-12-30 21:22
#200
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World sexhaver_420 
Rip faze
2017-12-30 21:28
#204
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Poland crouzzz 
boring zzzzzzzzz
2017-12-30 21:35
Swiss system has some problems, but we should not forget that GSL also had a lot of problems (win 2 bo1s and get to playoffs, groups of death). I think both can be fixed with better seeding, though.
2017-12-30 21:38
#244
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France StickyRice 
Swiss > GSL GSL is the most boring and predictable thing ever, basically top seed wins the group most of the time, weakest team gets out in 2 games and you get the BO3 decider between the two "middle of the pack" teams.
2017-12-31 01:00
#308
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Italy 1257Legend 
Isn't this a good thing. Y'know, having the best teams make it far?
2018-01-01 13:17
#310
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France StickyRice 
Yeah it is. But having some upsets is even better (not that upsets can't happen in GSL, but they are a bit more likely in swiss system), to be sport/competitive gaming is great when a weaker team starts to go hard on the expected favorite. It is more likely to happen on BO1 (BO3 and BO5 are great) and to begin the Major it's not a bad bad thing that some upsets happen. It's not like "great" teams have to lose 3 BO1 to get eliminated so basically 0 or maybe 1 GREAT team will be out after swiss phase - FaZe at the previous Major was just complete trash, same thing likely would have happened on BO3 as they went 0-3 ... (losers game on GSL was BO1, so you could be eliminated after 2 BO1 which is a lot worse + some really bad seedings on GSL whereas games are drawn round after round on Swiss which is great).
2018-01-01 13:22
This major is trash
2017-12-30 22:14
rip matches random bo1
2017-12-30 22:37
Ah yes this is where C9 shines
2017-12-30 22:43
Nooooooooooooooooo
2017-12-30 22:52
just becous this format krakow was worst major ever and of course becouse shitty production. gambit i understand but immortals in final waht a joke
2017-12-30 23:01
#227
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Canada gritabit 
Great. 66 BO1 matches b4 the playoffs. Ffs everyone's sick of swiss system at this point.
2017-12-30 23:14
Not like this..
2017-12-30 23:18
#229
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Bulgaria Dimicha 
Here's my idiea for the Swiss system: *All matches that decide wether a team goes through to the playoffs or gets eliminated will be B03 *All initial matches and matches that only affect the record of the team will be BO1 Example: *Initial matches and 1-0, 0-1, 1-1 matches are BO1 *2-0, 0-2, 2-1, 1-2, 2-2 matches will be B03 This way teams and players will not get tired an bored from too many matches and also they won't be able to proggres further in the tournamnet by playing just one map.
2017-12-30 23:19
#243
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France StickyRice 
Good way to improve it. If the Major could last 2 weeks or even a bit more : whole swiss system on BO3, BO3 quarters, BO5 semis, BO7 final - this is the Major the biggest tourney of the year, let's play the whole pool - and BO5 3rd place decider.
2017-12-31 00:54
#272
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New Zealand Duck_Meat 
Bo7 is dumb basicly every team has a permanent ban. So those games would be so shit. Yay can't wait to watch ast vs faze on cbble.
2017-12-31 10:23
#283
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France StickyRice 
Yeah fair point, then BO5 final, and at least BO3 semis (maybe BO5) and 3rd place decider.
2017-12-31 12:32
#274
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Bulgaria vectralsoul 
+1, had the same idea a while ago, this is pretty much the best way to improve the Swiss system.
2017-12-31 11:39
this is a really good idea
2017-12-31 13:53
nice format lul favours trash tier teams allready have standins all over the place and now the tier trash teams have a chance maybe we have a new worst majors
2017-12-30 23:25
#231
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New Zealand JK_77 
big 3-0
2017-12-30 23:32
#233
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Brazil kick_michu 
lets some shit teams play BO3 in elemination and waste TV/twitch viewers time so we can enjoy BO1 against two hot teams on random map swiss format=randomes favour low teams to BIG upset potential and overa;l is just cancerus give us old groups with GSL system
2017-12-30 23:46
#235
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Germany Tunio 
Retarded as fuck Rip VP
2017-12-30 23:47
#247
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Estonia teremartin 
DUDUDUUDUDUDDUDUUUUUUUUUUUU NiP is playing well
2017-12-31 02:12
BO1 - friend of upsets and weak teams like QBF or Avangar
2017-12-31 00:02
#240
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Denmark Kridooo 
I'm sure that I'm the only one who really like this format
2017-12-31 00:50
#241
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France StickyRice 
I also like it. Best format imo (better than round robin and way better than GSL especially with unbalanced groups we have had in the past) Only way to improve it is #229 or make every game of that Swiss phase be BO3 but Major will last like 2 weeks (BO3 quarters, BO5 semis, BO7 final and BO5 3rd place decider).
2017-12-31 00:53
#257
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World sexhaver_420 
I like watching the format but in general I think that best of one eliminations are not good I wish the whole bracket were double elimination honestly
2017-12-31 04:14
it's a good concept, but it needs improvement
2017-12-31 13:54
#248
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Germany JeanKanne 
DUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDU
2017-12-31 02:31
dududududududduududududdudu
2017-12-31 02:53
i hate ze swiss format. 1/8 for ze efforts
2017-12-31 03:13
Look there are better formats for sure and valve should be listening but Swiss is at least better than the fucking groups from the old majors
2017-12-31 03:38
#258
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Poland dreamShow 
cya VP ;'(
2017-12-31 05:06
#262
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Indonesia FinZzz 
100 thieves vs tyloo final You heard it first
2017-12-31 06:47
#263
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Russia Skipoda 
Bo1 random again Ty volvo
2017-12-31 07:20
ok
2017-12-31 07:46
#266
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Russia MH- 
shit tournament and format don't use
2017-12-31 07:56
the format is ok at best. they should just set the groups by even rank and not by some shity seed from 6 months ago
2017-12-31 08:55
#269
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Romania skymeisteRr 
BRING BACK THE DUDUDUDUDUDU MORE MATCHES ==> NICE MAYJAH
2017-12-31 09:08
NOICE
2017-12-31 11:07
ELEAGUE Fucking with the major at fastest velocity
2017-12-31 11:47
#286
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Portugal offset_97 
Rip for some top teams...
2017-12-31 13:14
Cancer
2017-12-31 15:37
hi~~
2017-12-31 15:39
For fuck sakes. RIP FaZe
2017-12-31 16:37
It would be great if the in the first stage are group of 4 teams and there will be BO3 between each of those. Its the major championship, the teams should have chance to compete versus other teams not only on one map. And the final match BO3 as well
2017-12-31 19:45
sad
2017-12-31 20:49
IMO I think a team should not go out a major competition without playing a bo3 tbh so for them to have bo1’s as the only group stages matches is abit bizzare
2018-01-01 18:34
more matches - more money for me
2018-01-03 15:51
Bo1 are for Asian league coz they so bad. This is shid....fml eleague is going to suck.
2018-01-11 19:30
RIP
2018-01-15 21:26
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