Snappi: "I still think the Swiss format is horrible"

During the third day of the StarSeries i-League Season 4 LAN, we sat down with Marco "Snappi" Pfeiffer and discussed the Swiss format, picking up RUBINO and the differences between peacemaker and FeTiSh.

Heroic is currently 2-1 in the Swiss group stage in Kiev, Ukraine, at the $300,000 tournament organized by StarLadder. The Danes opened up the tournament by losing to Cloud9, but bounced back with wins over HellRaisers and TYLOO.

Signing RUBINO was a management decision, Snappi says

In the post-match interview, the Danish in-game leader revealed that he doesn't think the Swiss system is appropriate for CS, but appreciates the full-BO3 format StarSeries decided to use. 

Getting RUBINO in, what was the expectation like in terms of what he would bring to the team? And how has it been faring so far?

We needed a good aimer that would give some input and hold some hard spots at certain times. It's really good to have a guy with no ego, who can fulfill every position, and I think RUBINO's firepower is kind of underrated, I know he had one bad game, but I don't think that is fair to him as a player, I think his aim is really good. When I spectate him, he has a really good headshot aim, so to say. I think he brings a lot to the team in different areas and he is certainly the guy we needed, there is no doubt that the roster change was the correct thing to do.

At the time that the roster change happened, maybe not exactly, but cajun b was also cut from North. Was he a player you thought about in the same way, to be potentially added to Heroic?

I'm happy it was RUBINO, but it's actually not us who control it, it's the sports director and Luis (Luis "peacemaker" Tadeu). Obviously, we will often have a say, but in this scenario it was RUBINO being signed and I'm really happy with the choice because I think it's the correct one. I think that RUBINO adds something that a lot of other players can't add.

How has the relationship between you as the in-game leader and peacemaker as the coach been working out?

We need to find the balance, I think we get better at it day by day because Luis has been used to having a lot more control of his teams, often times there haven't been any in-game leaders, so he has been calling, deciding all the setups, deciding all the strats. But I'm kind of experienced with all of that so we agreed that when we play, I'll control the strats and what I call, and then when we struggle, he will take the pauses and give input in English

There is also the thing that we speak Danish and he speaks English, so when he comes in, we might have already talked about some of the stuff he adds, so it's important we use his timeouts and his inputs for when we need it. If we lose two or three rounds in a row he will always call the pause, give his suggestion and maybe give a new idea to me that I can run. I think the relationship with him is getting better and better, day by day, and I think it's going to be only better in the future.

Can you compare him to FeTiSh, who used to be the coach?

FeTiSh was more the kind of a funny guy, giving motivation to people, he wasn't the guy that brought anything strat-wise. I think FeTiSh could be really good, but I also think he found out coaching wasn't really for him because he didn't want to watch the number of demos and do the number of setups that a coach needs to do. So I think he could've been really good, but it didn't work out in the end. But I really like Henrik as a person, I think he is one of the coolest guys out there.

Let's touch on the TyLoo game here, when I talked to MODDII yesterday, he said that Inferno was a bit shaky for you guys, was that the biggest issue here or did TyLoo play well as well?

I think we tried to work on Inferno, but the thing is, we were actually very good on the T side but we tried to develop it even more and then we got away from what really worked back in the days. That's why it has been shaky because I think that when we play our own game, we are actually a pretty decent team on Inferno.

What we have to find out is, we are holding new spots now, RUBINO is A, niko is B so on CT we kind of have to figure it out, but we are going to practice a lot of Inferno today and during the tournament to get more used to CT setups. I actually think our T-side is pretty decent most of the time, the reason why it didn't go so great today is that we lost two anti-ecos, and when you do that, it's going to get hard. I think we still got seven T rounds, so it wasn't that bad, it was just that we shouldn't lose to the pistols.

Can you tell me your thoughts on the format that's being used here?

I enjoy it, but I don't think you can do it for every tournament because it's already [a really long one]. For a team like us, it's not that bad because we don't participate in a million tournaments, that is obviously our hope, that we would get to the top and be invited in the future, but I think that this tournament provides every team a chance to really show what they have got. There is no excuse to going out, if you lose three BO3's then that is your own fault, and vice versa, if you win three BO3's then you deserve to be in the playoffs, right? I think that in general, using this format will probably give you the best teams overall, in the end.

I still think the Swiss format is horrible, I don't think it's a good suit for CS and I don't care if it's BO1 or BO3. I think that the fact that it is actually positive to go 0-2 or 0-1, regarding the teams that you face, is a really bad thing. And I think reseeding is even worse, because if you do reseeding, teams like MVP, TyLoo, us, teams that are lower ranked, are going to end up facing SK, G2, FaZe and Cloud9 in order to go to the playoffs and I don't think that is fair either, because one of those [lower ranked] teams could be a lot better than what is going to get showed playing against that opposition. So I hope Swiss will never be used again, I think it's the worst format.

A change that happened recently was on Nuke, Valve introduced a lot of changes and you are one of the rare teams that play the map, so what are your thoughts on the changes that have been made?

We already found out a way to play the new Nuke, I think, so it's not going to be a problem for us. If anyone wants to play us on Nuke, we are going to do it.

Brazil Luis 'peacemaker' Tadeu
Luis 'peacemaker' Tadeu
Age:
31
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.46
Maps played:
2
KPR:
0.21
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.17
Ok
2018-02-19 15:38
ok
2018-02-19 15:39
#7
strize | 
Canada DiiSCO 
snappi very bad
2018-02-19 15:39
mad cuz bad?
2018-02-19 15:46
#32
BnTeT | 
North America Sourced 
Snappi mad because he can't luck out in BO1s to get into playoffs. Why is every team Peacemaker coaching so toxic??
2018-02-19 15:48
#54
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Norway 142beni 
He hates the swiss format as a system, he hates the bo1 swiss format more
2018-02-19 16:11
#85
Aleksib | 
Denmark megz 
They are 2-1, they have a pretty decent chance at playoffs.
2018-02-19 17:15
I wouldn't say their chances are good. Beat HR with a ringer, and tyloo whom let's not kid ourselves is a t3 team with Good aim. Their only loss is to c9 whom is playing like garbage as well.
2018-02-19 17:38
snappi cryor
2018-02-19 15:39
Oh
2018-02-19 15:38
#5
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Sweden New@ac@low@id 
Ok
2018-02-19 15:39
#135
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United States Cs_dev 
OK 2
2018-02-20 10:35
K
2018-02-19 15:39
#1, #2 and #3? hax
2018-02-19 16:36
1 2 4 but yes
2018-02-19 16:36
rip but yes
2018-02-19 16:36
I hax
2018-02-19 16:36
I kno
2018-02-19 16:37
#6
strize | 
Canada DiiSCO 
he's bad lul
2018-02-19 15:39
He is very bad lul Sure it’s bad for t2 teams to upset in bo3s
2018-02-19 17:03
#8
f0rest | 
Estonia Rebae 
Agreed
2018-02-19 15:39
#9
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Finland Sandetek 
same
2018-02-19 15:39
Ok
2018-02-19 15:39
s
2018-02-19 15:39
+1
2018-02-19 15:39
#13
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Finland ceresje 
He is right
2018-02-19 15:39
ok
2018-02-19 15:39
#16
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Macedonia EXTOL[t] 
ITS FINE BUT WHEN ITS NOT Bo3 U FOOOL
2018-02-19 15:39
Bo3 does not allow any garbage, like qbfire and other, go to the semifinals
2018-02-19 17:06
#17
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Belgium stephano164 
he wants BO1 so he can get into the playoffs
2018-02-19 15:39
#77
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Ukraine DIE4THEKING 
+1
2018-02-19 16:54
learn how to read, he hate format, do not manner bo1 or bo3
2018-02-19 23:11
#18
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Latvia Sllork 
3
2018-02-19 15:40
#19
HS | 
Estonia qoznyyy 
swiss format bestest imo
2018-02-19 15:40
What the fu*k Means BESTEST ?? LUL :O Swiss format horrible Usual Groups Much better than this format ;)
2018-02-19 16:11
no
2018-02-19 17:49
#20
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Netherlands JeMoeder 
+1
2018-02-19 15:41
okay heroic wait for Katowice and we will see how good you are outside of swiss format.
2018-02-19 15:42
#22
NiKo | 
United States skurr 
cry more
2018-02-19 15:42
#23
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France StickyRice 
"I still think the Swiss format is horrible, I don't think it's a good suit for CS and I don't care if it's BO1 or BO3. I think that the fact that it is actually positive to go 0-2 or 0-1, regarding the teams that you face, is a really bad thing. " WOW, that guy is not that smart. It's not because NV once qualified from 0-2 and C9 did it as well in Boston (but they ended up winning the whole tourney so that 0-2 for C9 wasn't representative of their form at the Major) that it is a "positive thing to go 0-2"
2018-02-19 15:42
IKR - wtf was that comment? Cannot make heads or tails of it.
2018-02-19 15:50
#40
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France StickyRice 
Yeah, it's never positive to go 0-2. Of course if you go 2-0 you may play FaZe on the third game, but if you lose it you still have 2 chances. Going 0-2 is full pressure even if you're gonna start the "comeback" facing weak teams.
2018-02-19 15:53
Don't seem like you guys get the point. The reason why the format is flawed, is because you get overall easier opponents going 0-1 or 0-2, cause the best teams usually go 1-0 and potentially 2-0. Therefor you might face 3 weaker teams in a row by going 0-2. That's the flaw.
2018-02-19 16:02
#49
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France StickyRice 
That's now a flaw, that's even a great thing of that system Of course the system isn't perfect (and there is still a random part to it) but it makes perfect sense that you would have to face a strong (or likely to be strong team) team as your third game if you're 2-0. Opposite way goes if you're 0-2 down. Then if you lose your 2-0 game odds are the team you're gonna face on 2-1 is likely to be not as strong as the team you lost to on 2-0. Same goes to the 0-2 team that won and now is 1-2 : odds are that 1-2 team she will face will be tougher than the 0-2 team she just beat. Your odds of getting through at the end are still way better if you're 2-0 than if you're 0-2 down ...
2018-02-19 16:10
+1
2018-02-19 18:10
It's not POSITIVE, but it's really easy for even a weak 0-2 team to slide through even if they're a little better than the other weak teams.
2018-02-19 16:09
#50
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France StickyRice 
Yeah positive wasn't maybe the best choice of word to describe snappi's thought but still the system makes perfect sense, as i explained it on #49
2018-02-19 16:11
the thing even if you got good chance competing with weaker team ina 0-2 is you might get upset by the other 0-2 team and lose it lol
2018-02-20 07:15
#24
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Poland zerodesire 
you are horrible, heroic
2018-02-19 15:43
#25
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Europe wai7ing 
I agree, the format is stupid
2018-02-19 15:43
lol
2018-02-19 15:43
finally get 1st
2018-02-19 15:46
heroic on katowice 0-3 and cry how swiss is good xD
2018-02-19 15:47
#30
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Brazil DooteR_ 
yes
2018-02-19 15:47
#31
JORDAN | 
Jordan LBJ 
Old majors format was better
2018-02-19 15:47
#36
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France StickyRice 
GSL was the worst. We had a Fnatic/G2/SK group + FaZe (FaZe wasn't that good at the time) and these 3 first teams were the best 3 teams in the world LUL
2018-02-19 15:49
still salty about that retard group. killed G2's chances of becoming a real consistent team
2018-02-19 17:18
#33
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Serbia Lzrk 
When it's Bo1 they complain, now when it's Bo3 they also complain. Bo3 swiss is great tbh
2018-02-19 15:50
i agree but bo3 is better then bo1
2018-02-19 15:49
sure you can get a bit unlucky with matchups, but its still far better than the group of death alternatives This is the best system and if it werent for the length of time it takes, it would be flawless
2018-02-19 15:51
#41
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Poland Hell2k 
Normal groups>Swiss
2018-02-19 15:56
Selvagem
2018-02-19 15:56
so his logic is that some unfair matchups are worse in comparison to a team that gets into playoffs by winning 2 bo1 out of an easier group while others might need to beat 2 top teams and play bo3 to stay alive (gsl) ?? im not a fan of swiss bo1 but swiss bo3 is actually good i think. And his point that the tournament is so long already is somewhat retarted...because if you dont have a second stream in bo1 swiss and teams play one game a day it takes the exact same amount of days for the groupstages...i get the point from a viewer standpoint but as a player that shouldnt be an argument to dislike the format since you play 1 bo3 a day just like you would play 1 bo1 a day
2018-02-19 16:05
#59
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France StickyRice 
Yeah can't see how you could legitimately complain more about Swiss (especially BO3) than GSL when GSL had a group G2/SK/Fnatic (the 3 best teams in the world at the time) and FaZe as a 4th team (FaZe wasn't that good but still) at some tourney. Only thing you could use to improve BO1 swiss is to make elimination and qualification games BO3 but overall swiss is (far) better than GSL (especially with the seedings issue we have seen in the past).
2018-02-19 16:17
No matter the format, some dumbfuck will complain that it's bad. True champions will play any format and any opponent and will accept a loss afterwards and not complain like a little bitch. ("Oh man we were down 0-2 and had to play Clown9, instead we prefer to play "Ching chongs", NOT FAIR...")
2018-02-19 16:08
Yea 100% right!! USUAL GROUPS Much Better than SWISS FORMAT ;)
2018-02-19 16:09
the Swiss format is bad (even bo3?) so what do you propose .. bleh typical shitty talking
2018-02-19 16:11
I still think Heroic is horrible (despite they went 2-1).
2018-02-19 16:11
Snappi is a really clever guy! Agree on all points, double elimination please! Rubino, well underrated and a very good addition to their squad! Fetish never strategic, always motivating, a good player and a nice guy. Nail on the head, and Heroic is gonna push to go beyond North and Astralis as the second or best team in denmark. I see them going past North, if they continue this development.
2018-02-19 16:12
Snappi is a third rate player which shouldnt even be near a pro tournament as a cameraman...let alone play...
2018-02-19 16:14
Stfu retards they need to remove Swiss shit fucking bo1's allow shit teams to upset good teams
2018-02-19 16:23
#93
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World WestSideDude 
And you will be the first cry baby when Heroic (or any other tier3 team) will "luckily" f*ck your lovely SK in bo1 and move on while your SK will be packing home. Isn't it?
2018-02-19 17:26
You just can't win tier 100 teams That's why this format is bad for you Stupid farmer uninstall the game plz ty
2018-02-19 16:26
Just want ez draw Don't want to train skill GG
2018-02-19 16:26
#64
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Bulgaria bUHALOVIC 
if your team is shit every format is horrible 200 iq post by me ty
2018-02-19 16:28
#65
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Denmark ddkk 
+1
2018-02-19 16:33
#70
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Brazil Nickzim 
Of course he don't like this format, the guy is from a tier 3 team and knows that is much easier play on a lucky group.
2018-02-19 16:36
HARRY PORRA agrees
2018-02-19 16:39
#75
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
mad cos bad ranking expected from Marco "Twofaced" Toileto
2018-02-19 16:47
Don't complain about being at a disadvantage by winning the early games... If you're good, prove it by fucking winning, not getting an easy road to the playoffs. Whether or not it's easy, its up to you to win it.. simple as that.
2018-02-19 16:48
Mad cuz bad
2018-02-19 17:01
He probably wants BO1s LUL
2018-02-19 17:06
just ban Snappi from all Swiss Format tournaments.
2018-02-19 17:07
#83
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Korea Damianlee 
"Bo3 is too difficult vs t1 teams ='( "
2018-02-19 17:12
#84
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France cedd 
this starseries format is the best we've ever seen in csgo history lol bo1s are retarded....
2018-02-19 17:13
#92
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World WestSideDude 
+1 luckers / underdogs crying about format LOL. expected. no more luck for you guys.
2018-02-19 17:25
#87
KRIMZ | 
Brazil bldmn 
for sure, for heroic its much eaiser to win one map with lucky instead a bo3
2018-02-19 17:19
Gambit and C9 are won last majors, both with swiss format. Where is gambit now? C9 will also become garbage in 1-2 month,trying not to lose against heroic in some tier 3 events like summit was and ibp league. Shlt team, but still be called major champions. That is why swiss format is craap af. Like nV did in 2015-6. From winning Cluj to losing to tier 3.
2018-02-19 17:20
#91
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World WestSideDude 
How the f*ck can swiss format be crap? It's good for stronger teams, as all matches are bo3. It is only bad for luckers / underdogs. Gambit won Major with all Bo3s. Stop f*cking talking shit like they were l*cky or smth. They beat Astralis, fnatic and Immortals (which beat Virtus.low).
2018-02-19 17:24
And where is your gambit now? Ha? Top 15 team at best. Look at SK, Astralis, Fnatic, teams that were winning theyr majors and establishing theyr dominance atleast for sometime and winning tornaments, playing in professional leages, not in faking premiere LUL. Some even get an era period. What gambit won after winning major? Nothing. Everyone can win major o go far in it. Look at qbf, where they are now? Vp in krakow reached semis being an UTTER TRASH, imt being top8 at best suddenly in major final against some premiere team. Shlt tornament with many delays, crappy top 4(2 teams fell down a hole again, one disbanded).
2018-02-19 17:45
With old system shlt level premiere team could not even reach 1/8 of a major,letalone win it.
2018-02-19 17:47
Its not
2018-02-19 17:20
#90
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World WestSideDude 
For sure underdogs will cry about that, cuz no lucky bo1 anymore! :D :D :D But true tier1 favourites are happy about this system.
2018-02-19 17:23
#94
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United States Texas_nigga 
So true Swiss system is utter dogshit
2018-02-19 17:26
#95
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Norway BigCannon 
I think without swiss system heroic would be out already. So far they are facing tier 2 opponents and in any other format they would face 2 good teams in group and ended with 1-2 out at best.
2018-02-19 17:34
bad player lmao
2018-02-19 17:50
I like how people calling teams bad, that cant win with swiss, when last two majors won by 2 bad teams. With old system shlt level premiere team could not even reach 1/8 of a major,letalone win it, because it got less chance to comeback and less lucky and team were fighting for every round and not waiting until 0-1/2 where they get worse opponents to comeback. Amnesia in it finest.
2018-02-19 17:52
That has nothing to do with the format. That has to do with the fact that in 2015 the gap between top 5 teams and the rest was fkn humongous.
2018-02-20 09:36
#102
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Vietnam rollofocker 
comments in this article proves that 90% don't read the article or have reading comprehension of 10 y/o bo3 swiss > bo1 swiss for sure. they should try first rounds of the swiss groups bo1 and the elimination game should be bo3 to combine tournament speed with bo3 elimination so shit teams don't reach playoffs bcz of luck. also maybe the game that qualifies you to be in play-offs should also be bo3. don't know how that would work but it would be cool that before you qualify for play-offs or before you get eliminated you have to had played one bo3.
2018-02-19 17:57
#120
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Vietnam rollofocker 
round 1: everybody play 3 bo1's to determine standings round 2: - teams with 2 wins play bo3 for play-offs qualification - teams with 2 loses play bo3 for elimination round 3: losers of play-off qualification and winners of elimination game play bo3 for qualification
2018-02-19 20:42
#103
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Europe Dismal 
27 y/o that has never even made groups in major opinion = invalid
2018-02-19 17:55
#106
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Vietnam rollofocker 
pro player explicitly bashing the system and the opinion is supported by maybe half the community no more swiss bo1 groups on majors and this bo3 takes too much time like he says.
2018-02-19 18:04
bo3 is shit, bo1 swiss is super good, if u cant win 3 out of 5 games, go home fickng retard
2018-02-19 18:41
#119
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Vietnam rollofocker 
bo1 is good for fast games but being eliminated because of bo1 games alone is supershitty. in bo1 the weaker team can accidentally win. in bo3 there are enough chances for the stronger team to come back.
2018-02-19 20:40
stupid logic with 0 arguments
2018-02-19 21:00
#124
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Vietnam rollofocker 
we don't have to agree but i def used an argument.
2018-02-19 22:32
"accidentally win" this is not an argument dude they won not bcs oppenent is retarded? or they are practice well? and they need to lose 3 game. 3 fcking maps. in 3 days
2018-02-20 08:22
#105
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Finland M0nzaa 
Needed good aimer but got Rubino instead :() Also swiss is like the best format out there with proper seedings :()
2018-02-19 17:57
#108
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Vietnam rollofocker 
bo3 swiss is decent yes but bo1 swiss is horrible. the more maps are played the less luck plays a factor.
2018-02-19 17:59
#118
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Finland M0nzaa 
True, but out of the bo1 formats swiss is the best imo. :()
2018-02-19 18:52
LUL, WHO?
2018-02-19 18:07
#111
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Romania silksz12 
i like swiss but the groups stage are more better
2018-02-19 18:14
#112
NiKo | 
Poland Jaruzel 
Wow, shittiest arguments ever, congratz.
2018-02-19 18:15
#113
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Germany Tunio 
swiss system is trash
2018-02-19 18:16
#114
KHTEX | 
Brazil madruuu 
in a nutshell, no format is "decent", everyone complain no matter what
2018-02-19 18:18
Swiss system is ok, stfu whiners
2018-02-19 18:24
why are u wasting ur time interviewing some cry baby scrub from heroic... u must have something else better to do with ur time
2018-02-19 18:49
swiss system without seeding is bullshit, #1 playing vs #3, then #3 playing vs #2 ....while other teams are getting free wins all over the place. Swiss system right now is just random and can turn out really lucky or unlucky ...its basically not better than the crappy bo1 groupstages before
2018-02-19 21:26
You want easy matchup like #5 vs #24 ??
2018-02-20 04:27
#123
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Canada Deppan1 
i would think its horrible too if i go 0-3 every tourny
2018-02-19 21:36
inb4 "peacemaker agrees to part ways with the Heroic organization" after this tournament
2018-02-20 04:14
#127
Zero | 
Slovakia Slovakia 
+1 Swiss is awful, and at all the idiots saying hurrdurr he wants bo1 to be easier for his team, he said bo3 swiss is better then bo1. GSL with bo3 matches for exits and advances (would be better if all bo3 but there are limits to time) would be the best
2018-02-20 04:22
the system is perfect to eliminate spoiled eggs
2018-02-20 05:03
#131
Magisk | 
Denmark T4nge 
Snappi Best player Kappa
2018-02-20 07:46
Yeah no if you lose 3 bo3 in group stage you just deserve to go Home Ofc it doesnt matter if you go 3-0 3-1 or 3-2 because of the luck of the draw but otherwise....
2018-02-20 09:12
swiss formate the best, what this anchor speaks
2018-02-20 10:36
"I still think the Swiss format is horrible, I don't think it's a good suit for CS and I don't care if it's BO1 or BO3. I think that the fact that it is actually positive to go 0-2 or 0-1, regarding the teams that you face, is a really bad thing. " It's not positive. Getting a loss, especially if you don't have any win, means that not only you're more at risk than the ones who got their wins, but you're also more likely to play longer. Furthermore, going 0-1 or 0-2 does not mean that you will necessarily face an easier opponent either, especially in a competitive scene like this one. "And I think reseeding is even worse, because if you do reseeding, teams like MVP, TyLoo, us, teams that are lower ranked, are going to end up facing SK, G2, FaZe and Cloud9 in order to go to the playoffs and I don't think that is fair either, because one of those [lower ranked] teams could be a lot better than what is going to get showed playing against that opposition." I agree, I don't think reseeding is necessary. "So I hope Swiss will never be used again, I think it's the worst format." Well if it's to replace it with GSL with groups, then no, I hope the swiss format stays. But I hope for round robin (Bo3) with 2 match-ups, without groups. and yes, that means longer tournaments, but personally I don't care about length.
2018-02-20 12:14
Is horrible because tier 2 team have less chances? LOL Best format.
2018-02-20 14:34
#140
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Denmark Xipingu 
Bo3 Swiss = so far the best format. Sorry Snappi. GSL gives the problem that a secondary team that reaches playoffs will make for a shitty quarterfinal because they got lucky with two other shit teams in that group. That's even more worthless. GSL good but not best.
2018-02-20 19:07
#142
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Bosnia and Herzegovina discoK1ng 
I still think you and your team are horrible.
2018-02-20 21:29
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