chrisJ: "lmbt called everything on the Terrorist side of Cache"

mousesports were able to beat SK convincingly and move on to the playoffs. We talked to Chris "chrisJ" de Jong to hear about the team's run in the tournament so far.

The European team, who now sit second in the ranking, had a rough start in Marseille, struggling more than expected against Valiance and losing to NiP in three maps. Today, they were able to win against SK without skipping a beat and will be in the playoffs to try and make DreamHack Masters the third event in a row they lift the trophy at.

chrisJ believes he has much to learn as IGL, but is going in the right direction

Chris "chrisJ" de Jong and the rest of his team were all smiles after their two map victory over SK, for which the team's in-game leader reveals they had done their homework. The Dutch rifler and AWPer also went into detail about how the group stages went for his side, and Miikka "suNny" Kemppi's rise as a star among a variety of topics.

We haven't gotten to talk yet until today, so just run me a bit through your preparation coming into the event. A lot of playing online matches and so on, but anything else in particular worth mentioning?

I would say our preparation was actually quite bad, because STYKO had eye surgery like a week or so ago, which meant we couldn't play as much as we wanted. I mean, we even played a few officials without him, so we prepared a bit less in that sense. I'm actually not sure we would have played that much more otherwise, but still, it wasn't optimal. We didn't bootcamp, but as you said with the online schedule it's really busy, so we're still playing a lot.

You're among the most stable lineups coming into this tournament, a lot of teams have been making changes. Do you think that's one of your strengths and makes you a favorite for this tournament?

Yeah, I think it helps, for sure. Maybe we didn't prepare so much, but we have a lot of playing time together now. We have a lot of rounds on every map in our head that we know can work against certain opponents, and other rounds that work against other opponents, so we're basically prepared for a lot, and since we've been winning lately there's no tension in the team at all. Everybody is relaxed and just ready to play their best at every tournament.

Obviously, our coach [lmbt] is making some adjustments to our tactics, and players themselves are playing things a bit different than usual just to catch people off guard, but we have all of the basics for the team down and that's definitely an advantage.

So you took on the in-game leader role as a bit of a necessity and you've been doing it for quite a while now, how are you evolving and what is your relationship with lmbt? You're also fragging well in matches, so are you getting more comfortable with it?

I think the main thing is that lmbt and I work really well together. I totally trust his input. I mean I called before on Dutch teams a long time ago, obviously on a completely different level than this, but that didn't really count as true in-game leading experience so I just knew I had to learn a lot, pay attention to what he says, and try my best. It's going well now.

Also, here, at DreamHack Masters, we can have the coach call. He didn't call anything on our Mirage CT-side, but on T-side Cache he called everything because we don't play so much Cache and I don't have a routine calling on it yet, which is different than let's say Mirage or Train where I feel more comfortable calling. It's coming along well I think, but I just feel like I have so much left to learn, and at the same time, the team is playing so well that it's the perfect time to get even better with calling. I think it's going in the right direction.

So when you came to the event, was the goal to win it? For instance, karrigan the other day said it's your tournament to win and show you're the best team.

I mean, when you win the last two tournaments, not winning now would be a disappointment, so we're coming here to win for sure, that's how it is.

When you played Valiance we saw the classic mousesports choke-and-recover, where you played a really good first half but then struggle to close it in the second. What do you think causes that?

I don't know, against Valiance... honestly, I don't want to put it too much on the fact that we underestimated them, because we came in fully focused and we knew they're pretty good. When we're leading by a large margin it can become a problem for us, we can start to give it away because everybody starts to take more liberties and things can start to fall apart.

On the other hand, I really have to credit Valiance because they played well. Tactically, they played way better than I expected them to. That's why I myself was rotating really poorly, often because I thought they would be worse and they were playing well. Before we realized "OK, they have a good T side," it was already like 13-11 or something and they were coming close. In the end, we figured out how they play, and that's something you just have to do in the match sometimes, we're not going to prepare too much and overthink things, but we learned during the game and we ere able to adjust to it.

Do you think the opposite happened in Train against NiP? You guys started out winning 5-1 on CT side, you had it under control, but then you failed to read their game properly and they were able to bring it back with a solid late first half and you didn't adjust.

Yeah, we also didn't prepare for them and we lost Train against them before in one of the online leagues. We didn't learn anything from that match because they basically did a lot of the same stuff. STYKO and me got caught off guard in alley multiple times, which when you watch one demo of NiP you should realize that they go there a lot and you can't just stand there in the middle of alley and do nothing because dennis is going to come and run you over, and that's what they did.

They were playing well and they were playing their game and we weren't ready for some of their stuff and yeah, maybe because we were leading 5-1 we thought we were going to have a good CT side, and then we were just not ready for them to be so confident and just them doing their pushes, which in a way is what they always do but they do it really well, so if you're not ready for it they'll beat you.

So you didn't prepare that much against Valiance or NiP, did you prepare at all against SK when you found out you'd play them? Did you do your homework or did you just come in to play your game?

No, no, no, against SK we came prepared, especially because we felt like we lost against NiP because we didn't prepare enough. I did some more work, I watched some stuff about how they liked to play, and so did our coach. He had a plan about how to play on Cache, because he thought they might pick it, and obviously we thought we'd end up on Mirage because we both like that map. We were ready on those maps, and also to play a third, so I guess the preparation certainly helped this time.

Are there any key things you saw and applied to the match today?

More just generally how they like to play, like, okay, sometimes they like to throw smokes and go somewhere else, or they like to get together and push at this point in a round or at this point in a game. Of course, we keep things in mind, like that fer is always going to push underground and stuff like that, or he's going to push somewhere and you always have to be ready for it. You talk about those things again before the match to have it really set in your head, and it worked really well because we were pretty much ready for anything they could do.

To close it out I just wanted to talk about suNny a bit, he's a great player and he has been showing that he's a great player for a while now, but I think more and more he's becoming more present in people's minds when they think of him as a star, and it's more expected that he plays at the level he is. So what do you think has allowed him to make this progress and become this solid star player?

A lot of credit just goes to him, the guy is just working really hard. Even now after winning a few tournaments, some people might get lazy or something, but suNny is still fully motivated, playing a lot of CS every day, and trying to learn from his mistakes. As I said before, even if we don't change a round or a gameplan completely, he's adjusting. He's doing things a little bit differently to catch opponents off-guard. Obviously, the way he's feeling right now, which is really confident, is also helping, but he's just working hard and it's showing.

Finland Miikka 'suNny' Kemppi
Miikka 'suNny' Kemppi
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.08
Maps played:
1041
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.15
Netherlands Chris 'chrisJ' de Jong
Chris 'chrisJ' de Jong
Age:
29
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
1464
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.11
#1
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United Kingdom iMarbot 
cool
2018-04-20 16:54
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Netherlands Deji 
dont reply to me for attention
2018-04-20 16:54
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Norway IndiZone 
Me neither.
2018-04-20 16:58
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smooya | 
Austria shaakeh 
Yes
2018-04-20 17:10
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Brazil PrestusHood 
no
2018-04-20 17:27
#59
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Germany Smelborp 
maybe
2018-04-20 17:30
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kaas | 
Netherlands ImKuru 
Certainly not
2018-04-20 18:32
ok, then from now on everyone reply only to me. nobody want the attention after all
2018-04-20 18:46
hello
2018-04-20 19:15
hi
2018-04-20 21:33
Sup
2018-04-21 00:00
#103
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Denmark KeyziiN 
wtf
2018-04-21 01:33
#115
s1mple | 
Iran Abolix 
hi
2018-04-21 12:57
#116
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Denmark KeyziiN 
Hey friend
2018-04-21 17:12
#117
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Norway SimonRed 
hi
2018-04-23 00:01
#82
Stewie2K | 
United States V1nyl 
Typical envy fan
2018-04-20 19:04
#98
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Netherlands Deji 
There are no much envy fans here wtf
2018-04-20 23:52
Can you even grammar?
2018-04-21 04:10
kool
2018-04-20 17:11
nice nAme
2018-04-20 17:27
#52
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Brazil coldzao2 
but coaches are not allowed to talk? he just admitted they cheated
2018-04-20 17:24
#54
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United Kingdom iMarbot 
They can talk during freeze-time (between rounds when buying and stuff) so I assume thats what he meant by call.
2018-04-20 17:26
Dumbest rule ever.
2018-04-20 17:44
they could talk during the rounds with the old rules, then they made it so they could only talk in tactical pauses, after that DreamHack made a rule that they can talk during the buytime/freezetime as well it is not that stupid because the coaches are not useless after all
2018-04-20 18:05
That is the point of a coach lol, no org would sign a coach just to make it look cool or just because they can afford, the point of a coach is to help the team as much as they can and give support, they are not playing so why ban them? Coaches should be able to support their team as much as they can and banning communication is just dumb.
2018-04-20 18:34
#97
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Europe tweekzter 
+1
2018-04-20 23:51
#105
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Netherlands jonsve 
Yeah, this is the reason why esports is soooo much behind on other sports, even something as basic as the coach being able to talk to his team isn't done correctly
2018-04-21 01:36
Well, they saw how it was before and felt that coaches shouldn't be the 6th man on the server with the calls (basically has no need to focus on the gameplay itself but can just read what's happening) and this also makes the team dynamic such that you don't really need a IGL. Imho it is good that coaches can't talk all the time, as that makes it more trivial to have a in-game leader or good comms and not just 5 aimstars. Also, if the coach has such a input during games all teams pretty much would require to have a coach that can lead in-game.. I'm not sure it's the healthy way to go for the scene (especially the parts of the scene below the pros) as it requires more from upcoming teams as they also need to either recruit a experienced coach or grow their own one while coming up. Currently the coach does things to improve the players outside of matches themselves and prepairing to the said games, still has a really big impact to have a good coach.
2018-04-21 01:45
#70
shaGuar | 
Hong Kong b1uhwk 
no cheating needed, they could have beaten SK with no comms and their monitors off
2018-04-20 18:03
Dreamhack tournaments don't follow the ESL rule of "Coaches can only talk during timeouts" Coaches can talk during freezetimes at dreamhack
2018-04-20 19:29
#87
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Brazil coldzao2 
thats why dreamhack is shit
2018-04-20 19:37
#96
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Germany Youngnibba 
Thats why dreamhack is good
2018-04-20 23:40
#106
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Netherlands jonsve 
Dreamhack is the only sensible organiser in that sense.
2018-04-21 01:37
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Sweden Rexz 
nice
2018-04-20 16:53
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Thorin | 
Netherlands RafV 
TOP1 GodJ
2018-04-20 17:04
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minet | 
Portugal KeKaz 
Reply needs to have actual content
2018-04-20 16:53
#44
zboub | 
Algeria MinTaaa 
Yes
2018-04-20 17:08
#65
Estonia WRO 
Pls stfu then
2018-04-20 17:43
ok ty
2018-04-20 21:36
First
2018-04-20 16:53
Not even close :(
2018-04-20 16:53
#5
shox | 
France KR1MEZ 
what does LMBT mean?
2018-04-20 16:53
#11
broky | 
Latvia em1^ 
lick my big tits
2018-04-20 16:54
#78
k0nfig | 
Liechtenstein mary69 
+1
2018-04-20 18:46
#12
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Ukraine ravenous150 
mouz coach
2018-04-20 16:54
lesbian may bisexual trans
2018-04-20 16:54
LMBT is coach for mouz
2018-04-20 16:54
DEL
2018-04-20 16:55
#20
shox | 
France KR1MEZ 
thanks
2018-04-20 16:55
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Denmark far3l 
its their coach bruh
2018-04-20 16:55
Liquid Must Bait TACO
2018-04-20 16:56
haha
2018-04-20 17:00
lol
2018-04-20 17:01
+1
2018-04-20 18:16
#29
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World mukas17 
His nickname is lamabot. Russian isn't my first language but "lama/lamo" means something like noob in English and bot is just bot. I'm not sure if that's the actual origin of his nickname, I'm just saying what I'm seeing.
2018-04-20 16:58
#32
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Ukraine ksay 
yes basically noobbot/lamebot im not 100% if it's origins of his nick but yeah, in CIS we call him lamobot
2018-04-20 17:00
#38
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Bulgaria AboveYall 
lol in bulgarian we say lamer instead of lama :D i've seen russians typing lama and i never ever thought that has the same meaning of what we call lamer LMAO
2018-04-20 17:02
#43
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Ukraine ksay 
single lama does't really a complete word but it works in a context of a full nick we have lamer and lamak just as u are though
2018-04-20 17:08
#118
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Ukraine minemax 
lamo, not lama.
2018-04-25 10:54
#119
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Ukraine minemax 
Actually, I'm not sure what he (lmbt) meant it to be. But lama means a Buddhist high priest, and lamo means "lame, etc."
2018-04-25 10:58
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ottoNd | 
Brazil wIDt 
Thank you. I always thought it was a capital "i" instead of an "L".
2018-04-20 17:14
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flusha | 
United States MrNoodle 
Nice
2018-04-20 16:53
+rep
2018-04-20 16:53
#14
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Slovakia baucek1 
very good
2018-04-20 16:54
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Turkey CHAMPTZ 
Wallhacking PogChamp
2018-04-20 16:54
ok
2018-04-20 16:54
The "coach igl" thing should be banned from every event, not only majors now that many teams have adapted to the rule and brought in dedicated igls imo.
2018-04-20 16:59
#30
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Germany rotz 
It's just too stupid to play with 6 players. I can't believe it's still allowed in this kind of level.
2018-04-20 16:58
Yeah, whats the point of that rule if it only applies to majors meanwhile teams can still use their coaches as igls at the other events where the prize pool might be the same or even higher than the one of majors.
2018-04-20 17:00
5 players not stupid 6 players stupid. Nice logic
2018-04-20 17:26
#62
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Germany rotz 
I think you never played csgo at high level to undestand the difference full time igl outside game makes against 5 players.
2018-04-20 17:39
Lul. Are u ok? Someone stop other team from using full time igl outside game? It's their problem/decision
2018-04-20 17:41
#99
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Europe tweekzter 
Football teams are playing with 12 men according to that logic ...
2018-04-20 23:56
#101
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Germany rotz 
Yes because the coach can talk with 11 people at the same time lol. It doesnt work like that. Coachees in CSGO is way more powerfull. In football the coach does his job in the half time, while in csgo he talks every round (in this case ofc). The new major system is just like in football, he can only talk during certain times, diminishing the impact of the coach during the game.
2018-04-21 01:23
#113
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Europe tweekzter 
In football the coach can give input either by screaming or by talking to certain nearby players. Happens all the time. Some coaches are more active than others. The coach doesn't play, so there is still the discrepancy between instruction and execution which is solely in the hand of the players. If you have a coach, he should be able to help you. Besides, I think we would see more raw skill and higher quality CS like that.
2018-04-21 08:30
I are think it is so that coach can talk on all freeze times in DH/ESL tournaments, but not during the game play.
2018-04-20 17:56
"Also, here, at DreamHack Masters, we can have the coach call." You are think wrong.
2018-04-20 18:55
No I am not. They can only "call" during freeze time and timeouts: twitter.com/YNk/status/98735925858394522..
2018-04-20 19:56
Then why would he say that "Also, here, at DreamHack Masters, we can have the coach call." when he can only call during the freeze times? I'm confused now. I thought coaches could talk during the freeze times/pauses at majors as well.
2018-04-20 19:59
In major, coach can only talk half time and timeouts. Stupid rule. Should be freeze time as well. Much better system and still keeps the coach out of infulence during the round like Valve wants.
2018-04-20 20:03
+1
2018-04-20 20:03
Chris propably the hottest player eu 👌👌
2018-04-20 16:56
Nice info for those who think that ChrisJ is a beast IGL.
2018-04-20 16:56
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World neomax360 
Lol who think ChrisJ is a beast IGL lol. Mouz play with basics tactics. it is just that they have good players who are play makers like Sunny, Oskar, even ChrisJ. And Ropz is a smart player and solid fragger, and the chemistry of the team is good. Styko as IGL
2018-04-20 23:29
#102
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Netherlands jonsve 
Styko as igl????
2018-04-21 01:33
#104
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Netherlands jonsve 
It's not like he's a bad one. Remember that they were 13-2 up before lmbt started calling.
2018-04-21 01:34
LMBT most underrated coach in CS atm? You can even trace back to when he replaced kassad and see noticeable improvement from mouz.
2018-04-20 16:57
BOT DEAD LUL
2018-04-20 16:57
#31
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World Notb8ing 
Haha, best how people rate this guy great IGL. Actually he is still only learning...
2018-04-20 16:58
He's simply being humble, lmbt can only call on Dreamhack events and on top of that he specifically pointed out ONE T side that lmbt was calling. The fact that they got most of their success on CT sides that BO3 and Chris said he was calling those means enough. Can I remind you they went 13-2 up on their mirage CT?
2018-04-20 17:24
that feels standard at this point for mouz on mirage
2018-04-20 18:18
It's standard but he's the one that calls when to do it, and doing it at the right times nets them all the important gun rounds. Also, calling each variation of it... you have the aggression where Oskar watches top mid and Sunny + Chris go underpass, the version where Oskar holds underpass and ChrisJ does short jump or even the one where Oskar holds underpass and Chris + sunny push short and mid respectively.
2018-04-20 18:42
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Czech Republic Jurys 
LMBTQ best coach rn
2018-04-20 17:00
lmbtq?
2018-04-20 17:02
#39
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
im sorry, ofc its LGBTQ+ EDIT: love your name <3 same here
2018-04-20 17:03
#41
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Ukraine extezy10 
lmbt krasavec
2018-04-20 17:05
That is cool that the coach can be more interactive and direct play.. at least at the start of the round. Otherwise, the coaching rule is virtually useless. Should be allowed to give input call strats at the start of round in all events.
2018-04-20 17:06
#48
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Turkey Thunderball 
gj LMBT and chris
2018-04-20 17:19
#49
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Croatia feelsbadmane 
Cheating,coach can only talk during timeouts,ez report.
2018-04-20 17:21
#61
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Netherlands Legendarycrab 
cancer
2018-04-20 17:39
#50
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Finland nowords 
suNny numba juan
2018-04-20 17:22
<3 Chris Bring back coach IGL. Tactical CS best CS.
2018-04-20 17:25
#56
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
ez first
2018-04-20 17:27
time to get LEGJIA back in mouz
2018-04-20 17:31
#63
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Netherlands Legendarycrab 
yes they look so weak only #2 on the world ranking ffs.. hope you die
2018-04-20 17:39
#67
f0rest | 
Germany Gloin 
Coaches as IGL is allowed in this event?
2018-04-20 17:46
#77
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United Kingdom cacafuego 
In freezetime they can talk
2018-04-20 18:43
In every other sport coach can talk to his team. Why it should be different in e-sport ?
2018-04-20 19:27
Ikr? This is why “Electronic sports” isn’t a real thing, only nerds who try to be something call themselves “esport players”. Esports won’t be at the level of any real sport NEVER
2018-04-20 23:10
How stupid do you need to be to think eSports is a sport? It sure hell isn't, that's why it's a different word. It has enough sport-like qualities and requirements that it can be very well called what it is. Also, if you can't realize what the difference of allowing a coach that doesn't have to perform in-game to call the whole game while he has vision over all the 5 players.. It dumbs down the requirement for a gamesense and it is ridiculous. The two of you don't have a single valid point.. I am not even gonna start explaining to you why the coaches igl'ing matches for the team (not just start of the round strat calls but also the mid-round calls and so forth) isn't comparable to a football or ice hockey match. If you really don't realize it, you should just refrain from commenting altogether.
2018-04-21 02:02
that’s what I said esports wasn’t , isnt and never will be as big as real sports wtf hello? Also... THATS The ROLE OF A COACH! To fucking lead the team geez you are actually retarded man to have FULL CONTROL of the team and the situation, that’s the fucking point of having a coach because a coach is there ALWAYS, outside and inside the game. If the coach is only allowed to talk for 30 seconds for each pause why bothering to have a coach in stage then? In 30 seconds the only thing you can do is reset your mind and start playing again not pull out an insane call that will lead you to a comeback. You don’t have clear what being a coach means, Valve already banned coaches to be there with the teams but they realized how dumb it was but because Valve “is always right” they left them with this rule of only talking during pauses. Many players with the IGL role work with their coaches because of the simple reason that they are there for something, they aren’t just analysts standing behind the team, if you are gonna ban them then ban them all the way (like they did, still a stupid decision). TL;DR a coach has to be there with full communication, if not they are just analyst standing behind a team.
2018-04-21 02:26
Ridiculous how dimwitted you can get if you don't realize that the coaches can easily have a heavy impact even if they just get to input 10-30s, telling people what is not working and building a clear image of what the opposing team is trying to do. It's quite a tad bit harder when you've got only vision of your own screen without taking your eyes off yours as you can't do that very often in a CSGO match.. Try and you'll find out. The coach doesn't need full communication to have a impact, if they did have full communication their impact would be ridiculous. A coach in a ice hockey match f.e. isn't able to have a as heavy impact to a game that a full-comms CSGO coach would, it isn't even remotely comparable. The coach doesn't make mid-round calls or communicate directly consistently to all the players, he communicates to them when they come out of ice or shouts something that the players might or might not hear. They train as a unit and that's where the coach makes most of his input. Obviously in matches he finds weak spots and tries to get the full potential out of his players, recognizes weaknesses and strengths and utilizes that information by formation changes and such. In CSGO, the coach would efficiently take a role out of the game that is important on the playing field. A coach doesn't have the pressure of the game and what's happening inside there to cloud their judgement, it would make the game just a show of hand-to-eye cordination performance and 2 people utilizing these living chess pieces (that don't always perform expectedly) and trying to play them like marionettes. It just isn't remotely the same and it shouldn't be compared to traditional coaches being able to communicate 100% as they truly usually aren't. And even the point about eSports not being on the same level as sports "EVER" is ridiculous, how do you even compare the level of eSports to sports? :D There sure as hell are a equivalent amount if not even a greater amount of potential competitors..
2018-04-21 02:42
Esports is already bigger than cricket kiddo Stats don't lie
2018-04-21 05:35
IM PLAYING WITH A COACH A MANAGER HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO WIN
2018-04-20 19:31
Amazing how Chris evolved, back in the days I told my Friends in school that mousesports is gonna be the best team in the world and ofc they laughed at me because there was nV with kennyS VP or fnatic who were at the top but I kept following mousesports and chrisJ, be motivated me to become a better sniper and he is just a great guy and I hope he's gonna lead his team to the top :)
2018-04-21 09:24
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