ESL's bsl: "No ideal timing to introduce Dust2; continuing with Cbble was pointless"

MIRAA
April 23rd, 2018 20:23

We had a quick chat with ESL Tournament Director Jonas "bsl" Alsaker Vikan following the recent Dust2 announcement to know more about the process of adding the map to the pool for its big events.

ESL has become the first tournament organiser to embrace the new Dust2, which was added to the Active Duty pool in Cobblestone's place in Friday's update, with the map set to make an appearance at the upcoming IEM Sydney event, kicking off in a week's time.

Players like Jesper "JW" Wecksell and Gabriel "FalleN" Toledo have expressed concern about the timing of the announcement, with the SK captain stating that teams should be given at least a month to practice a map that has undergone changes.

bsl addresses the map pool change ahead of IEM Sydney

Read on to find out why ESL is introducing Dust2 just days leading up to an event, how the teams were consulted in the decision-making process and their reaction to changes in this brief interview with Jonas "bsl" Alsaker Vikan, the German company's Tournament Director since August.

What made ESL decide to add Dust2 this close to IEM Sydney, with teams having very little time to practice the map?

At this point there was not a great option or any ideal timing. Valve introducing it into the Active Duty sends a strong signal to all, the early stages of the Major will start soon and on our end there are two huge tournaments coming up in little over three weeks. From there it’s back-to-back competitions up until the player break. Continuing with Cbble when it won't get played just because teams are used to it seems pointless. Also the time frame involved here is the same for everyone. Teams who do not feel comfortable can always use veto. 

What was the process behind this decision? Was this previously discussed with teams and players, or was it made by ESL alone?

I began the process here as always by contacting player representative Scott Smith. While that marinated we had discussions internally at ESL. After talking to Scott again, we reached out to the Sydney teams to ask for their feedback. Most rendered opinions and they were weighed against the facts; equal time to prepare, no good moment to introduce due to condensed schedule and the fact that Dust2 will be part of a Major everyone is gunning for. Ultimately I have to make a decision in these matters. They will not always be right or popular, but I think the process here was fair, given the time restraints everything was working under.

Don't you think teams will make a pact and outright ban the map?

How teams choose to use their vetos is one of the many things that make CSGO so interesting. From my position I’ll be careful in having an opinion on how they use their vetos, they will do what they feel is best for their team on the day and the rest we’ll all see on the server.

How have teams reacted to the news?

Reactions have been mixed, some are happy, some are not. I realize it is a challenge for them, but you have to remember these are, by now, highly paid professionals, and I am confident they will handle Dust2 just fine.

Norway Jonas 'bsl' Alsaker Vikan
Jonas 'bsl' Alsaker Vikan
Age:
-
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.00
Maps played:
0
KPR:
0.00
DPR:
0.00
APR:
0.00
Brazil Gabriel 'FalleN' Toledo
Gabriel 'FalleN' Toledo
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
879
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.60
APR:
0.11
Sweden Jesper 'JW' Wecksell
Jesper 'JW' Wecksell
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.08
Maps played:
1349
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.14
Rush b
2018-04-23 20:24
how is this first
2018-04-23 20:25
#36
Stewie2K | 
United States V1nyl 
I am the third one
2018-04-23 20:28
#90
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Europe Z4NY 
lol
2018-04-23 21:38
#157
JZFB | 
Australia legesex 
Fifth
2018-04-24 13:38
#37
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Russia FIN_MAX! 
I was the first actually:(
2018-04-23 20:29
I was second wtf
2018-04-23 20:36
#52
chrisJ | 
Germany 1buffen 
Yeah saw your 'Hallo!' haha
2018-04-23 20:37
#97
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Russia FIN_MAX! 
What has happened? I don't see that before...
2018-04-23 22:09
#99
chrisJ | 
Germany 1buffen 
Me neither...
2018-04-23 22:10
#39
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Australia USTlLO 
it deserves to be first
2018-04-23 20:29
haha yes
2018-04-23 20:26
cyka?
2018-04-23 20:26
#127
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Switzerland IJesuZzzz 
I agree
2018-04-24 00:32
Rush B is back bois
2018-04-23 21:08
you forgot on inferno :(
2018-04-24 13:01
Hahaha! Yaaass! RUUUUSSSHHH B!!!
2018-04-23 21:53
when my team rushes b i never rush with them i stay back in tunnels and wait fro flank kappa xDD
2018-04-24 07:17
#6
flusha | 
United States MrNoodle 
Interesting
2018-04-23 20:24
ok
2018-04-23 20:24
#8
NiKo | 
Austria Phil_1337 
What?
2018-04-23 20:25
#10
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Asia dimazhto 
LIQUID TO GET REKT BY SIMPLES AWP
2018-04-23 20:25
#11
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Moldova OptimusBlyad 
oh bsl
2018-04-23 20:25
Good, good
2018-04-23 20:26
#14
s1mple | 
Denmark JustYes 
Yes
2018-04-23 20:25
#15
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Europe traqqi 
makes sense
2018-04-23 20:25
#16
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Czech Republic Atten_xD 
Noice
2018-04-23 20:25
#17
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Denmark Master_Baitor 
cbble bad map
2018-04-23 20:25
+1
2018-04-23 22:08
#18
Golden | 
Czech Republic moky 
Understandable, have a nice day
2018-04-23 20:25
#20
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Brazil erfur 
cbble > nuke... wrong decision
2018-04-23 20:26
#79
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Portugal kippster 
Just because sk suck on it doesn't mean it's a bad map, it's one of the best maps for viewers actually
2018-04-23 21:13
#82
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Brazil erfur 
Cbble is better than nuke... is my opnion, very few games in this map nuke, the map by having floors makes it difficult to choose a camera who is streaming for example... the map is very unbalanced... because I'm a fan of sk you already insinuate that I dont like because of them... its a bad map period.
2018-04-23 21:21
#86
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Portugal kippster 
It's an amazing and unique map while cobble is just dull
2018-04-23 21:34
Cbble worst map by faaaaaaaaar. The most boring map to watch, super passive map for the CTs, just sit and wait.
2018-04-23 21:37
#91
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Sweden Zae 
Cbble is trash so is dust2 Pls add de_tuscan to active map pool valve....
2018-04-23 21:40
Ooo yes please I loved that map
2018-04-23 22:09
De_Cpl_mill please
2018-04-23 22:49
season old nuke overpass cache mirage/old mirage train/d2/cbbl/tuscan inferno
2018-04-23 23:06
#167
shaGuar | 
United States brieN 
Russka or death
2018-04-27 01:37
#156
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Portugal CS|CRMN1 
Nuke should still leave. It's not really about SK but statistic will never lie and it point out that Nuke is by far the least played and the most banned map. It's not like SK is bad on Dust 2 either, but there's not a bit of logic following cobbles removal in my eyes. Actually, I also feel like Nuke is a better map because of what it offers, but if it was up to me, I would keep the same map pool until the end of the major
2018-04-24 13:37
#21
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Russia FIN_MAX! 
Thumbs up
2018-04-23 20:26
"continuing with cobble was pointless" +100000000000000000000
2018-04-23 20:26
#24
L.K.S | 
Brazil Exfm 
I agree bsl. That was the nest choice to add teh best map ever, it took too long though but thanks anyway
2018-04-23 20:26
It's not their fault, they couldn't do it until valve did it. I guess technically they could have but no one does anything until valve does it
2018-04-23 22:10
ouch
2018-04-23 20:26
FRENCH SCENE WILL BE BACK DUST2 BEST MAP FOR MY BAGUETTES
2018-04-23 20:26
#44
chrisJ | 
Germany 1buffen 
Well 'old' mouz was very decent on D2 as well. All in all I'm very happy that there will be something fresh in the tournament's again. Can't wait to see how teams will perform on this map
2018-04-23 20:30
There is no 'old' mous
2018-04-23 22:00
They were good on dd2 because dd2 was legit the only map Denis played really well on, at least on a semi-consistent basis. Now that they kicked every player from their old lineup besides Chris, I'm not sure if dd2 will be a good map.
2018-04-24 11:35
#165
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France Moutono 
Baguettes love D2 !
2018-04-25 21:50
imo teams shouldn't be afraid of this map. Sure it was taken out the pool for roughly a year but it was on the calendar for the previous four years.
2018-04-23 20:27
#43
World Jeza 
I know right? Teams afraid of Dust2? AKA literally the most played map in CS history. Not surprised if many players still have more time on D2 than many other maps in CS:GO pool overall despite being out of active pool for so long.
2018-04-23 20:30
#46
chrisJ | 
Germany 1buffen 
+1
2018-04-23 20:31
#65
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World locky0000 
definitely they might be fine individually but as far as team play, nades, setups, strats many of those things need time to practice...and get to a lan quality. not to mention how many teams are the exact same as a year ago. i think it would be fun to see right off the bat, but if no teams have been practicing it with extra time then it will probably get vetoed in every match
2018-04-23 20:52
#29
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Finland Emvi 
Agreed
2018-04-23 20:27
#30
FalleN | 
World Vechnyp 
xantares is back
2018-04-23 20:27
#38
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Europe Dan Zero 
Xantares vs Shox? :D
2018-04-23 20:29
#47
chrisJ | 
Germany 1buffen 
vs Scream?
2018-04-23 20:31
Rush b, protect conector. Ez dust 2.
2018-04-23 20:27
Cobble>dukenukem>trainpass
2018-04-23 20:27
Train > overpass> nuke> cobble
2018-04-23 23:54
>with the SK captain stating that teams should be given at least a month to practice a map that has undergone changes. The new version of Dust2 has been available to play since October last year. You've had about 6 months
2018-04-23 20:28
+1
2018-04-23 20:29
#48
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Poland Kobel_ 
You think that teams practice maps that are not played in the pro tournaments?
2018-04-23 20:32
Everyone knew that Dust2 was coming back sooner or later. You'd have to be insane to think otherwise, it's fucking Dust2 for Christ's sake. Fallen is just being a little bitchboy. Don't pamper these guys, who get paid very well to play video games for a living.
2018-04-23 20:34
this
2018-04-23 20:38
u r braindead probably
2018-04-23 20:44
>giving a shit what some subhuman thinks I don't think so pedro
2018-04-23 20:55
#76
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Poland Ktav 
Savage :D
2018-04-23 21:08
the diagnosis was confirmed: braindead sorry!
2018-04-23 21:34
#122
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Australia Lolfeminists 
Lmao Pedro rekt
2018-04-23 23:34
2 australian bois wasting their time on me?? that is sooooooo CUTIEEE ! and sooooo fag at the same time..! LOL rekt OMEGALUL
2018-04-24 04:51
#140
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Australia Lolfeminists 
Hi Pedro or poordro?
2018-04-24 06:35
fag! LOL
2018-04-24 08:48
+1! fallen should be thankful valve gave him an excuse to lose games... i can already taste the salty tears of "mimimi"
2018-04-23 22:48
Everyone should have known that sooner or later it will be intrduced to active map pool again. Any team captain or coach should have seen this day coming.
2018-04-23 20:39
LOL +1.982.379,00
2018-04-23 20:43
he probably plays de_cruise or canals
2018-04-23 23:23
Love the fact he's reaching out to so many different representatives from every part of the CS:GO proscene, instead of making it an inhouse decision. Props to ESL/bsl.
2018-04-23 20:28
#35
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Europe Dan Zero 
It was the right decision!
2018-04-23 20:28
Esl bsl
2018-04-23 20:30
Esl bsl
2018-04-23 20:30
#45
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Can't disagree with his reasoning tbh
2018-04-23 20:30
#49
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Europe Autumn7 
I think it will be the most vetod map at Sydney
2018-04-23 20:34
I think u will be suprised then
2018-04-23 20:40
are u mad?
2018-04-23 20:38
This sucks
2018-04-23 20:41
the map is out since November, plenty of time to prepare something for it. You can't tell me no one practiced it, everyone knew it would be replacing another map this year.
2018-04-23 20:41
Ikr. They all act like its a conpletely new map. Like for example overpass was
2018-04-23 21:05
it kinda is completely new when you dont play it.
2018-04-23 23:25
Its not like teams haven't played the new d2 yet. They only DM on it every day...
2018-04-23 20:44
#62
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Turkey Jarrod 
Bsl vac banned by GABEN
2018-04-23 20:49
I loved this one: "Reactions have been mixed, some are happy, some are not. I realize it is a challenge for them, but you have to remember these are, by now, highly paid professionals, and I am confident they will handle Dust2 just fine." Eat it! Love the map though, nice to see it back!
2018-04-23 20:51
#104
NEO | 
Germany BALDRIAN 
you are right! good comment!
2018-04-23 22:21
Yap, great reply. It seems the more some players are paid the more they tend to complain, and it's dust2... how can you even think of whining. And in general it's interesting to see how teams are able to adapt to new rules or maps given limited amount of time.
2018-04-24 20:54
Needs time to "practice" dust 2 lmao
2018-04-23 20:51
this is why you guys will always be dmg's at best
2018-04-23 23:26
#66
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Belarus ruv1ck 
Rush "B" suka blyad!
2018-04-23 20:53
#68
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United States Prattatat 
Actually a real good back and forth, glad ESl are sticking with their decision and that it was made with input from all sides
2018-04-23 20:56
#69
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Finland STICKOShaha 
"pointless" dust2 same sentence ?????
2018-04-23 20:56
>with the SK captain stating that teams should be given at least a month to practice a map that has undergone changes. It's the same for every team, whine, whine, whine is all i hear from fallen and his comprades.
2018-04-23 20:59
nice
2018-04-23 21:01
Definitely the right move. Cbble wasnt fun to play and/or watch. And dust2 beeing revisited is the perfect map now for the active duty pool. I expect great matches from teams like mouz, nip and astralis
2018-04-23 21:03
#73
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Europe i_love_queen 
Nice map in pro scene ... but in mm its terrible huahaua ... it will be nice to see sk playing this.
2018-04-23 21:03
dust 2 in MM = hacks
2018-04-24 13:19
i mean if u cant adapt idk what to tell u
2018-04-23 21:09
#78
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Germany vipitis 
Map has been out for months; there should be another smokes out there and smart enough teams knew it would come up before the major so they picked up a few practise matches. I really hope to see it in Sydney.
2018-04-23 21:12
+111
2018-04-23 21:36
rush mid syka blyad
2018-04-23 21:13
#81
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Europe erhansol 
classic fallen bitching about everything all the time. "if there wasnt a game called Cs:Go, we wouldnt be losing" -Fallen
2018-04-23 21:15
"At this point there was not a great option or any ideal timing." Yeah, except a whole FUCKING MONTH without tournaments. Anyway, better late than never.
2018-04-23 21:21
+1 xD
2018-04-24 13:04
#84
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Portugal zpm 
lol
2018-04-23 21:25
Not having d2 in the pool was always a really weird move, it's a map most spectators and majority of players favor above all other maps
2018-04-23 21:29
#94
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Malaysia byaIi 
jw jump from short to box killining t spawn
2018-04-23 22:02
Not the first tournament organizer. Blast was first.
2018-04-23 22:10
well done
2018-04-23 22:11
cbble is fine wtf.
2018-04-23 22:14
#103
NEO | 
Germany BALDRIAN 
good decision by esl and they are right, highly paid profis should handle the most common map of counter strike without complaining.
2018-04-23 22:20
#105
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World bigb1rd 
I hope bsl employs MSL to work at ESL and drives him about in an M3 csl dressed in YSL to some GSL format events and ask him "a/s/l?" using Jsl which they've both been learning.
2018-04-23 22:42
omegakek
2018-04-23 22:52
Good. Cbble have always been shit
2018-04-23 22:45
bye bye dlore hello ez money on skins and packages
2018-04-23 22:53
Piss cache off. Sick of seeing it on every bo3
2018-04-23 22:59
D2 is BACK BOIS
2018-04-23 23:04
#114
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United States Will767 
Rush B! Don’t stop!!!! ughhhhh yeahhh oh baby!!! I like it how u waterfall like that!!!!
2018-04-23 23:18
Helps Aim teams. Bad for teams who are bad on dd2 and were good on cbble
2018-04-23 23:19
If you're the "Best" team in CS, this shouldn't be that hard of a challenge lol. D2 is the most played out map in CSGO. Pointless whining.
2018-04-23 23:21
#119
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Canada gritabit 
Dust 2 relies on great aim. Just because it is the most popular map in the pro scene does not mean that anyone can master the map if they're the best team. The best teams in the world aren't even the best on every map. But in agreement, the pros should have known that Dust 2 was returning to the map pool and prepared better.
2018-04-23 23:25
introducing a new map in the pool just days before an professional event is annoying for every team. the complaints are valid.
2018-04-23 23:29
Praccing a map to be as good as you can is one thing, but it's dust2 we're talking about here. I think it'll be one of the most played maps again in no time.
2018-04-23 23:59
dust2 is a 1000000 years old lmao act's like nobody knows it .. big cry babies
2018-04-24 00:18
#130
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Brazil Collee 
+1 it's such a simple map. Easy to understand. Probably the less "tactical" map, while being one of the best to play and watch
2018-04-24 01:24
#128
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Other mikecool 
DustPoo
2018-04-24 01:01
#129
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Brazil Collee 
Cobble and nuke are pointless maps. Both shouldn't have been around for more than 6 months, more than enough time to realize they're trash. Especially cobble, which was only played in like CS 1.3
2018-04-24 01:22
#131
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United Kingdom FEodAL 
what a shame, 20 years passed and we still play dd2, its the same map nothing changed just the looks. Would've been better to pay our respects and move on to new maps.
2018-04-24 01:35
#132
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Brazil kadota1 
cbble > nukshit nuke is most pointless map of csgo. Why the fear in put new maps on role? Valve is a joke! Valve in CSGO is so afraid to introduce new maps on role... more 20 years of nuke, dust and inferno's?! Where is Santorini, cpl_mill and fire, in workshop have much maps fun for competitive. I'm tired of watch csgo matches with same content
2018-04-24 01:49
#137
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Brazil $anji 
Nuke is actually good, what made the map unplayable was the "Unreal Engine" style. Maps should be simpler like they used to be on Source and GO beta.
2018-04-24 05:01
#134
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Thailand beam2546 
Fk u all eco round they will just rush B with CZ and when force buy round they will Rush B with P90 blyat When full buy round they will be 4 AWP and use fnatic tactic. Also rip u fking FPS too bye bye bobo
2018-04-24 03:40
#138
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Brazil $anji 
Cbble so overplayed
2018-04-24 05:02
#142
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
Good call. Who wants to keep practicing/playing cobble when it won't be part of the next major cycle? Sure, you might get fucked in this next event but overall you will improve your map pool for the future and the most important event on the calendar.
2018-04-24 07:30
#143
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
1
2018-04-24 07:31
good stuff was getting boring watching same maps
2018-04-24 08:57
ESL's bs: "No ideal timing to introduce Dust2; continuing with Cbble was pointless"
2018-04-24 10:06
#149
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Slovakia sanjuro 
the map is exactly same as before, no reason to worry
2018-04-24 10:18
#150
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Kazakhstan RiNat1337 
I play Cobble today,and i don't like that map!!! Drop Room is shit...If T get Drop - they wins the round! Please fix Drop Room pls,fuking disbalance!
2018-04-24 11:15
Cobble sucks, but pros generally agree that it is better than dust 2
2018-04-24 11:38
RIP Space Soldiers
2018-04-24 13:40
good fuck cobble. d2 still needs work though.
2018-04-24 14:45
cbble is way better than dust2, dust2 is just another map 100% dedicated to trash awpers.
2018-04-24 17:54
More confirmation on the future of cobble souvenirs. Prices haven't gone up much yet, I guess people don't think Valve would give up 0.00000001% of their income ? "oh they won't stop cobble cases they make SO much off them" lol? No reason Medusa or other rare can't just be added to an AD map collection before next major. I hope it doesn't happen, keep the Dragon Lore a rare special souvenir for the ages
2018-04-25 09:47
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