Fierce Tiger and VG.Flash comment on Asia Minor qualifier final

May 21st, 2018 12:45

In the most recent controversy in Chinese esports, Fierce Tiger qualified for the Asia Minor due to VG.Flash's internet issues, and both parties have now gone into full detail about the situation.

Turmoil continues to unfold in the Chinese scene following Kun "LEo" Hou's VAC ban on Saturday, which led to Fierce Tiger being disqualified from CS:GO Asia Championships. The former ViCi trio used an unknown player nicknamed "tbgirl" in the Asia Minor Chinese qualifier, and FACEIT is currently waiting on Valve to confirm if there is a connection between him and LEo.

VG.Flash experienced internet issues just before they were set to face Fierce Tiger in the grand final of the Minor qualifier. After a delay of more than hour, Fierce Tiger refused to wait any longer, and FACEIT decided to hand them the forfeit win over VG.Flash. The losing side discovered that external parties had tampered with their network connection, preventing the players from joining the server in time. Police and technical experts were contacted to investigate the matter, and both Chinese organizations have revealed their perspectives on the situation found below.

VG.Flash go into full detail regarding the recent Minor qualifier

Fierce Tiger announced their side of the story about the final match, which was set to take place on May 20 at 2pm (Chinese local time):

"1. We followed the rules set by the organizers and joined the FACEIT Asia Minor China qualifier match lobby on time.

"2. VG.Flash could not start the match on time due to unexpected issues.

"3. After communicating with the admins initially, FACEIT said we should wait 10 minutes (all chat logs with the admins are in the video provided).

"After 10+ minutes, none of the admins notified us of when we could start the match. After a while, one of VG.Flash's members came online and notified the admins that they had problems with their internet connection at their place, even after switching servers. They then asked the admins if they could be given more time to fix their issues, this occurred at 2:25pm. After learning about the situation, we understood and agreed to wait a little longer. After waiting for an extended period of time and without any further communication with us, they rescheduled the grand final to 4pm.

"We feel that we aren’t being respected and properly treated so we sent the following points to the admins:

"Yesterday in the same tournament, our opponent in the first match didn’t enter '.ready' in the specified time slot after joining the server, which caused the server to close down by itself with the opposition losing by forfeit.

"The second match versus MAX, only one of their players entered '.ready' before the match started. Therefore, the match took place as a 1v5 scenario until the end of the game. They appealed the result to the admins but they were also given the loss.

"Finally, the events of today happened, we gave VG.Flash 1 hour and 10 minutes to handle the unexpected issue. However, they delayed the match to 4pm without communicating with us beforehand. Although ‘friendship comes first, and competition comes second’, there should be no exception to the rules, we hope that FACEIT's decision is based on their rule set. In the end, the decision was made by the organizer, and we feel deeply sorry."

On the other hand, VG.Flash gave a more detailed explanation of their situation on Weibo following yesterday's initial tweets:

"1. Internet disconnection

After the map vetoes were completed, three of our VG.Flash players joined the server, and at this time the internet at our place disconnected. After a lot of retries to re-connect, we swiftly got in contact with the FACEIT admins about the situation. After the admins agreed to delay the match, we immediately moved our PCs to the house next door and borrowed their internet connection to play the match (as you can see in the video below, our players are carrying their computers over).

At the same time, the technicians arrived to check. They found out that the cable coming into our house that was in a connection hub/cabinet outside the house was specifically marked and unplugged intentionally. The technicians contacted their headquarters and told our team leader that there were some unknown people asking about our address and the internet connection layout yesterday.

2. Communication during the match

When the internet issues happened, our leader immediately got in touch with the admins. They agreed to delay the match until 4pm (as seen in the screenshots linked here). Then we moved our PCs next door to setup.

The admins said that they hope we can all display good sportsmanship to ensure the completion of the tournament at 3:15pm. All of our players then joined the server at 3:17pm but at that time there were only the 5 of us on the server (screenshot at 3:23pm shows that our team is already in the server setting up). The admins told us at 3:57pm that because we could not join on time, the opponent could not wait any longer. Therefore, we were handed the loss. We don’t understand the reason behind this considering we were already in the server.

The VG.Flash roster was created not long ago, and were given significant attention by the Chinese player base. VG.Flash is a powerful contender in the Minor qualifier and we were confident in securing our slot to the Asia Minor. The internet issues are purely unexpected and highly possible that it was done maliciously. We don’t have any reason to intentionally delay the match by creating the issues ourselves.

Many factors that caused this ending has impacted our organization and the players heavily. We are fully committed to keeping the communication up with the admins, and our circumstances are totally different than the other teams that were disqualified in the tournament. We hope that the organizers improve their online tournaments' rules and allow more tolerance for any unexpected issues during online matches. Please make the correct decision and have a rematch played, FACEIT."

Here is the English transcript in the video provided by VG.Flash (shown above):

Technician: Supposedly there should be a wire here, but he checked on your cable, pulled it out and made a mark.

Team Manager: So it was only pulled out? Then what about this wire?

Technician: Maybe it's because of this plug area.

Team Manager: So he unplugged our plug?

Technician: No, they unplugged the cable inside.

Team Manager: They unplugged the cable inside and you've already fixed it for us?

Technician: Yes.

Courtesy of /u/KaiHongTan for the Chinese to English translations in the article.

China Kun 'LEo' Hou
Kun 'LEo' Hou
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United States ascendaNt_88 
Nice Edit: ooh damn this is some shady shit
2018-05-21 12:48
epic video
2018-05-21 12:48
2018-05-21 12:48
Austria shaakeh 
2018-05-21 12:50
Palestine zwe 
2018-05-21 12:54
Indonesia royBeast 
2018-05-21 13:50
Nepal TYZ4 
Flash crybabies. Rules say wait for 1 hour. Fierce Tiger waited for 1 hour
2018-05-21 13:56
Australia sini_ 
Yeah but this is a total different situation, nobody expects tampering like this.
2018-05-21 14:18
Gas | 
Germany te1mo 
2018-05-21 15:42
no, admin say wait until 4 pm. VG joined 3:20~, FT were gone by then
2018-05-21 16:13
Nepal TYZ4 
FT waited for 1 hour from 2:00 That is upto 3:00 They followed the rules. Admin doesnt the know the rulebook.
2018-05-23 08:08
Admins have the right to change the rules accordingly if they feel it’s judtif. If the admins want to wait , tiger have to wait. Also it’s obvious fierce tiger fixed all of these matches, flash clearly didn’t want to throw so they tampered with their equipment. You don’t think it’s fishy they’re crying so much about wanting a forfeit victory? Not playing a single match yet qualifying. And last week they had a player vac banned who’s identity is murky, and pick up a new unknown player and miraculously don’t play any matches in an important qualifier where 9 players failed to type .ready..... it’s all cheating and match fixing bullshit
2018-05-23 01:01
World _EpiC_ 
so much drama
2018-05-21 12:49
Finland 7259yrret 
LEo still can move his crosshair at the end of the whole match.
2018-05-21 15:35
Denmark W0LFy[RushB] 
Just restart modem, you dumbass -Average technician
2018-05-21 12:54
Australia Fut1lez 
their cables got unplugged how can that fix the issue omegaLUL
2018-05-21 13:20
Denmark W0LFy[RushB] 
*AVERAGE* Technician
2018-05-21 13:28
2018-05-21 15:01
Philippines sirpj21 
More like *DUMB* technician
2018-05-22 04:07
sadboys | 
Czech Republic fyroee 
2018-05-21 12:46
Nice cheaters
2018-05-21 12:46
2018-05-21 12:47
United States Rosetta_Stoned 
lol china
2018-05-21 12:47
10/10 would read again
2018-05-21 12:47
Brazil 4raer 
Chni chi chun
2018-05-21 12:47
2018-05-21 12:48
2018-05-21 12:48
buster | 
China batil 
a hahahaha
2018-05-21 12:48
2018-05-21 12:48
mafia lul
2018-05-21 12:48
Europe HyperCreep 
who? who? who?
2018-05-21 12:48
United Kingdom Fizzhaz 
i feel keked
2018-05-21 12:49
Norway RainTop1HLTV 
2018-05-21 12:49
Sweden Zae 
2018-05-21 12:49
China M1rAiwOw 
2018-05-21 12:50
a drama
2018-05-21 13:13
REZ | 
United States zSnuxy 
How much do you wanna bet fierce tiger had it unplugged
2018-05-21 12:50
Norway NoregNik 
Maybe not the players personally but definitely someone from the org. or some guy they paid to do it. It's shady af.
2018-05-21 13:11
rain | 
Singapore lonely123 
its china, corrupt af. the org 100% hired someone to do that
2018-05-21 13:44
China Hammurab1 
From the screenshots it's the manager of Fierce Tiger who is being super pushy about the rules and that Flash should be disqualified. Shady indeed.
2018-05-21 13:46
Norway NoregNik 
I hope they get investigated and not only disqualified, but arrested too. It's not a small thing if they did it.
2018-05-21 14:28
Usually, a bet on a match cancelled later on will be cancelled too, am I right?
2018-05-21 18:59
China lovebotyy 
STFU my seeker MO. FG fight with my power.
2018-05-22 16:52
chill bro, I misread #21. GL to VGFG, I personally dont think they can achieve sth in intl. event, but missing a chance in such a sick way is so so unfair to them.
2018-05-22 21:52
China lovebotyy 
U didn't get my point. Mo. U know only one guy always supports VG in ur friend list. :) gay Mo
2018-05-22 22:07
No i dont. it may be another seeker XD. or maybe, show me ur credential, i think i really need more clue to tell who u r.
2018-05-23 08:38
Xeno | 
Netherlands Xenoo 
Next level DDoS
2018-05-21 12:50
Denmark W0LFy[RushB] 
2018-05-21 12:57
Lithuania gime114 
2018-05-21 13:52
denial-of-service, literally, in a physical way.
2018-05-21 18:59
Macau Bent0 
following csgo scene since 2014, and this is the first time ever that I've seen somebody pull a cable of their opponent lmao
2018-05-21 12:51
Denmark W0LFy[RushB] 
Master plan
2018-05-21 12:57
Lithuania gime114 
Goes to show how competitive China is xD
2018-05-21 13:52
Xeno | 
Netherlands Xenoo 
Only when some camera guy pulled the cable at an event from some SK player's PC and the time some one in the I believe envyus gaming house tripped over the internet cable during an online match. But none of that comes close to this lmao
2018-05-21 22:16
RGN Pro Series 2015 LG vs Liquid, camera man unplugged fer’s PC LOOOL
2018-05-22 05:15
Xeno | 
Netherlands Xenoo 
Yeah that's the one I was thinking of :)
2018-05-22 16:51
China XDreamVimanas 
2018-05-21 12:51
hardcore gangsta sh*t
2018-05-21 14:36
Ireland TGC_ 
Asian scene is a mess..
2018-05-21 12:51
said someone from ireland and a big fan expected
2018-05-21 13:45
Lithuania gime114 
Well the Irish scene can't be a mess, because there is no scene, but look at Neil_M and you'll realise why. xD
2018-05-21 13:54
you don't need to be from china to notice that... and your argument is the standard BS defense thats used everytime here. Think of something new
2018-05-21 15:37
BS = ?
2018-05-21 19:02
Xeno | 
Netherlands Xenoo 
2018-05-21 22:16
Just Leo things.. Unplug the cable to make it swift
2018-05-21 12:51
Sweden zeromeister 
Expected from China
2018-05-21 12:52
omfg what kind of a team is Fierce Tiger wtf???
2018-05-21 12:52
United States n0bodyez 
Mafia team
2018-05-21 13:50
Europe Markss 
Damn, fuck Fierce Tiger seriously.
2018-05-21 12:52
woxic | 
Europe artilele 
2018-05-21 12:53
What the fuck is this shit lmao, are they claiming someone came to their home adress and fucked their internet wire up so they couldn't play a qualifier?
2018-05-21 12:55
Europe Markss 
Major qualifier. And they only won 1 game of 4 because of "internet connections". And they got a player banned in another tournament. A bit suspicious don't you think?
2018-05-21 12:58
I mean they obviously played with a cheater under another nickname but to think they'd go this far and actually be stupid enough to think they will get away with it is ridiculous.
2018-05-21 13:00
2018-05-21 13:51
it's China, man, anything can happen
2018-05-21 18:35
LeX | 
Russia mddn 
The second match versus MAX, only one of their players entered '.ready' before the match started. Therefore, the match took place as a 1v5 scenario until the end of the game. Best part hahah
2018-05-21 12:55
Norway NoregNik 
Lmao ikr it's insane
2018-05-21 13:17
this1v5play is apparently unfair, why was MAX still given a loss?
2018-05-21 13:35
2018-05-21 13:43
The original clip has a adjective here. "a 1v5 scenario" should be "a hilarious 1v5 scenario". Dont know why translator dropped this adjective.
2018-05-21 19:07
cajunb | 
China Kistah 
Chaos and conspiracy.
2018-05-21 12:56
What the fuck ? How could faceit didnt disqualified leo ? He got vac banned and still playing at the minor qulifier ?
2018-05-21 12:56
LEo got caught during another event and got disqualified. He didn't play in this Asia Minor qualifier by FACEIT. Some other unknown player "tbgirl" played and now they are working with Valve to see if LEo = tbgirl. If you would just read the first paragraph, it's all explained there: "Turmoil continues to unfold in the Chinese scene following Kun "LEo" Hou's VAC ban on Saturday, which led to Fierce Tiger being disqualified from CS:GO Asia Championships. The former ViCi trio used an unknown player nicknamed "tbgirl" in the Asia Minor Chinese qualifier, and FACEIT is currently waiting on Valve to confirm if there is a connection between him and LEo."
2018-05-21 13:15
tbgirl was banned for cheating on 5EPLAY tbgirl = supreme 100% sure
2018-05-21 13:25
What the fuck happens here ?
2018-05-21 13:46
"Leo" is just a player ID. This Kun "LEo" Hou, no one heard from him after VAC, he has no twitter or Weibo account. He is a ghost player.
2018-05-21 13:53
liTTle | 
CIS Dowa) 
2018-05-21 12:56
lmao fierce tiger shady af, next up : cs go players assassinated before minor grand final? china pls..
2018-05-21 12:59
Xeno | 
Netherlands Xenoo 
Honestly wouldn't surprise me with the Chinese mafia betting ring.
2018-05-21 22:18
how would a betting ring profit if they caused the game to not happen?
2018-05-22 14:05
Because FT got a default win, which means they can bet on them in the minor qualifier matches or the actual major if they make it that far.
2018-05-22 15:01
next level shit lol
2018-05-21 13:00
Japan ameaoi5 
Gosh, this hurts. Feels so bad. :(
2018-05-21 13:01
What's up Mr Translator here😎
2018-05-21 13:02
thx for your service my guy if this isn't troll profile
2018-05-22 17:04
2018-05-21 13:02
China Flash_kaze 
CNCS is a joke
2018-05-21 13:36
Netherlands itsm 
Handsdown best strat ever to win a game. Doesnt justify it tho
2018-05-21 13:05
next time we will see player murdered before match begins
2018-05-21 13:07
anyway, police will reveal everything.
2018-05-21 13:07
China Maltose 
maybe not, there'er too many unclear things undergone in cncs. i dont mean that 100% ft hired someone to pull out vgf's cable, but if that's true, it means more things happened than we can read here
2018-05-22 04:58
Russia xtkjdtr01 
2018-05-21 14:56
allu | 
Indonesia KAKKIKU 
Wow, if this is true, valve should perma ban the org and the players for this.
2018-05-21 13:08
They even broke a law which is punishable in a law holding court.
2018-05-21 13:17
2018-05-21 13:08
fuck Fierce Tiger, VG.Flash better at least get a rematch. this is some really shady shit.
2018-05-21 13:11
Next in the news: Renegades and Tyloo forfeited minor spot due to death threats
2018-05-21 13:12
Fierce Tiger win FACEIT major 2018 as all other opponents found dead in their hotel rooms.
2018-05-21 13:16
The suspected killer hired by the chinese organisation known as Vito Giuseppe has been found dead after a gunfight with FBI agent under the codename "Finesse" on the street of Favela
2018-05-21 13:26
Brazil Raphzzz 
uheuheuehuehue +1
2018-05-21 19:56
Kill all opponents, and you win.
2018-05-21 14:18
well, that's the point of this game
2018-05-21 21:28
China 70x1c 
LOL fierce tiger fierce af
2018-05-21 13:14
Physically hacked
2018-05-21 13:14
FFS can we ban Fierce Tiger and all the members associated with it already? A guy got VAC-ed, team got banned from the tournament, 2 matches of their were weirdly won with one of them being a 1v5 match through the end because the other 4 couldn't connect, and then this absolutely malicious event. There's still some proof to be found but i hope whoever did this gets behind bars as stuff like this is taken very seriously in China and I think they even have laws against hacking in-game. Pathetic to be honest.
2018-05-21 13:15
2018-05-21 13:25
I think you're jumping to conclusions here...
2018-05-21 14:32
Might be, yes, but there's definitely more to the picture here.
2018-05-21 14:43
One of them got banned and sudenlly they are playing with player nobody knows. Seems weird to me, hope they are trying to figure out if it's someone else or not.
2018-05-21 21:31
tbgirl also has a cheating Ban but only on a chinese gaming Website Like esea or pvpro
2018-05-23 15:59
200 IQ
2018-05-21 13:15
nothing suspicious here
2018-05-21 13:18
ZywOo | 
China |Kasper| 
DISGUSTING for whoever had done it
2018-05-21 13:18
Totally out of my imagination, agree with u.
2018-05-21 19:13
tbgirl was banned for cheating on 5E platform (chinese faceit)
2018-05-21 13:20
This is interesting drama
2018-05-21 13:20
hahaha +1
2018-05-21 13:25
Poland Kobel_ 
Wow, if they allow FT to go through it will be ridiculous. This whole org is shady AF
2018-05-21 13:26
2018-05-21 13:27
Estonia publiccer 
mafia cs
2018-05-21 13:28
Finland 7259yrret 
Next level Next level 😈
2018-05-21 13:29
Australia theman123459 
ok now this is shady
2018-05-21 13:32
Next Level Drama. GJ Fierce Tiger.
2018-05-21 13:32
Leo(VAC banned for cheating) = fanxychild=cheater 100% sure tbgirl(5E banned for cheating)=supreme( WCA & PW banned for match fixing)=cheater 100% sure Leo=tbgirl? need further information Leo cheating fanxychild cheating tbgirl 5E banned TOT match fixing (supreme) XD
2018-05-21 13:46
2018-05-22 12:01
ropz | 
China seekerNN 
my guess is FIERCE TIGER is responsible for everything. VAC ban and this CUTTING opponent's net wire. Because this team is shitty and dirty and all of the team members are famous for betting and getting money in dirty way.
2018-05-21 13:37
2018-05-21 13:38
especially savage and tb
2018-05-21 13:48
World ZMDR 
+1 its obvious. no way all 3 of their opponents had internet issues coincidentally.
2018-05-21 13:59
Philippines KieRR 
The next level move
2018-05-21 13:40
France MIK120 
HAAHAHHAAHAH now THAT is a true clownfiesta x chinese mafia collab
2018-05-21 13:40
the problem is not the players, the problem is the organizers because they allow it. FACEIT. Look asian qualifiers, random teams in final cause bo1, bad timeznes, servers pings, shedules and now this.
2018-05-21 13:42
inb4 in game "internet has been defused"
2018-05-21 13:42
There should be a rematch.
2018-05-21 13:53
i realy enjoy this drama
2018-05-21 13:54
very fishy ^^
2018-05-21 13:55
In my opinion, the whole team of fierce tiger should be banned for at least one year.
2018-05-21 13:55
China Hammurab1 
I imagine all of those extortion fees from various local store owners Fierce Tiger Mafia had to collect is the reason they couldn't play the match at 4:00 PM.
2018-05-21 14:01
China zileans 
Fierce Tiger: we have other thing to do after 3 pm. However The match start at 2pm, so that they managed to end it with 2 quick 16-0 against VG.flash in 1 hour ? LOL
2018-05-21 14:03
Next Step of DDos
2018-05-21 14:04
This some gangsta shit
2018-05-21 14:07
I'm the translator hi there
2018-05-21 14:09
Germany AYEON 
Just ban ft valve they will bomb out at the minor anyway
2018-05-21 14:10
too late, fierce tiger triad gang already secured gabe’s chest hairs which power the valve mainframe
2018-05-21 22:21
China wah095 
so sad
2018-05-21 14:12
mir | 
Slovakia TatKo 
Although ‘friendship comes first, and competition comes second’, there should be no exception to the rules, we hope that FACEIT's decision is based on their rule set. In the end, the decision was made by the organizer, and we feel deeply sorry." what a pile of crap
2018-05-21 14:13
angry savage and tb sent vac-banned leo to vg house to cut some wires that's whole story
2018-05-21 14:23
Just ban this fuckers wtf I hope this ding dongs get beaten up in a corner. They literally played 1 game in the qualifier. A VACbanned player the tournament starts. A "unknown" stand-in, obviously the vac banned player smurfing on a lvl2 account. Don't you tell me all the stars aligned just for them to get trough the series? I really hope they get through a live stage so we can laugh at this nerds.
2018-05-21 14:25
Triad probably did this
2018-05-21 14:25
China RoyZhang 
That's why i love TyLoo
2018-05-21 14:29
NiKo | 
China troyun 
the only one "chinese team"
2018-05-21 14:59
CNcsgo :)
2018-05-21 15:04
Most Hated Team in CS Scene now have a name! Firce tiger, no matter how underhanded, we must win! Strike first, strike hard, no mercy! if you need to kidnap the other team family so they throw the game, that is fair, if you need to burn the gaming house of your enemy, that is still fair game. Nothing is true, everything is permitted, May the odds ever be in favour of the best chinese team
2018-05-21 15:20
Next time just send someone to burn down their gaming house.
2018-05-21 15:43
2018-05-21 15:43
SS | 
Germany DerFuhrer 
10000 iq, no wifi ez gaem
2018-05-21 15:46
JW | 
China KillaQueen 
why so many DISGUSTING things happened in cncs since FT appeared??? WEIRD AS FUCK!
2018-05-21 16:21
Germany Smelborp 
What the hell?
2018-05-21 16:55
actual mafia
2018-05-21 18:34
what a shitshow this has become
2018-05-21 18:42
WTF it's more interesting than TV series now.
2018-05-21 18:56
Fierce tiger should not have been allowed to compete in the first place
2018-05-21 19:24
Denmark silfize 
savage whipping out the mafia on his ex teammates LUL
2018-05-21 20:49
fierce tiger aka chinese mafia backed team
2018-05-21 22:19
Singapore repu1se 
Lol winning 3/4 games from internet issues
2018-05-22 02:52
ban ft plz
2018-05-22 02:57
Macedonia the_hitman 
WTF they should actually play the qualifer or fierce tiger ban
2018-05-22 06:35
North America Mang0 
China numba won
2018-05-22 20:51
2018-05-23 01:51
Germany PeKay 
just play the game again ffs guys are playing cs 24/7 anyways my god its not a football game join server and play fierce pussies leftover shitters lose anyway in legal conditions
2018-05-23 02:04
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