ESL about streaming platforms: "We are definitely evaluating what to do for 2019"

In a sit-down with Ulrich "theflyingdj" Schulze, ESL's Senior Vice President of Product, we heard about building up ESL One Cologne, the company's partnership with Facebook and the Major rumors.

ESL's fourth event at the LANXESS Arena and the second consecutive sold out one is coming to a close today as Natus Vincere and BIG will meet in the grand final of ESL One Cologne.

ESL understands the frustrations with the Facebook viewing experience, Schulze says

Earlier in the week, we conducted an interview with Ulrich "theflyingdj" Schulze of ESL, who admitted that he expected more from Facebook as a streaming platform and that they are evaluating their options for 2019.

You sold out the event, so let's start with that. Cologne has been a Major in the past but isn't one anymore, yet it continues to sell out. What do you think that is the key to making it such a big event? Because we have a lot of big events in the CS:GO scene, but I feel like Cologne has a special place.

I think that one of the reasons was that it was the first real stand-alone event for Counter-Strike in an arena. I think that at that time, in 2015, it was still a bit risky, to be honest. We didn't know how it was going to work. And it worked great, it was really full in year one, the atmosphere... You hear people talking about what they remember and a lot of them remember Cologne 2015, the first event, a lot of great plays that they remember, that just helps build a legacy.

I'm not going to lie about it, having two Colognes [at the LANXESS Arena] that were Majors also helped to just cement it, as well as the fact that people kept having a great experience, and because all the teams really wanted to be here. I think last year Astralis skipped because of the Major, but, other than that, every team wants to be here. Disregarding prizemoney, disregarding everything else, this is an event they want to win, and where they know the arena is going to be full, it's going to be loud, there is going to be a great crowd no matter which team plays, and that has really helped build Cologne up. And that's why, even as it moved beyond the Major, it stayed successful or became more successful, because it never sold out as a Major, but after it wasn't one anymore, it did. I think that just because people have such a great experience every time, both on stream and on-site, and because the teams like it so much, it has become such an important event in the year.

Taking a big risk in 2015 paid off in the long run, making Cologne an iconic event

I obviously have to ask you about the Facebook deal as well, because it is being brought up all the time, for the average viewer I guess it's a topic they like to discuss. Talking about the numbers themselves, the live counter on Facebook is the first thing the people see and they obviously see that the number not as big as it used to be. Is that number the actual number of viewers, and if it's not, how close is actually to the active live viewers you have for the streams?

Unfortunately, it doesn't count anyone who is not logged in and anyone who is watching on embedded streams, which I think is a significant number. The unfortunate reality is that, for a lot of people, it's more stable to go to HLTV and watch it embedded there than it is to go on the platform itself. So the number is bigger than the counter. It's still not as big as we think it can be, and that has to do—which is something we are open about—, with the platform just not being where it should be at this point, technically. It's not as reliable as other platforms, it's not as easy to find the streams, it doesn't have all the functions that it should have, both on mobiles as well as desktop, to provide a really great experience.

Our expectation was that we would be further along since half of the year is over and some of the things just haven't materialized in the way we expected them to. But our contract is for this year and as much as people on different platforms suggest that we should just stream elsewhere, a contract is a contract so we don't just do something else. But we are definitely evaluating what to do for 2019. While we still think that Facebook has potential because of the sheer number of people on the platform, the way it has performed so far certainly hasn't been up to the expectations we had. We can totally understand why there is frustration about the viewing experience, and that is something we have to fix going forward. There is no doubt about. Maybe it can be fixed on the platform, maybe not, that is something we will see, but we understand if people are frustrated after a couple of events and there are still things that don't work right.

Are there specific things which you think are missing at the moment, that are not up to par? The stability of the stream? Do you have some specific things in your mind you can disclose?

Yeah, the stability of the stream is one thing, it seems to vary a lot, even depending on which browser you use or which kind of a computer you use, even on the same connection. And that's not how things should be. The mobile viewing experience is still difficult, you can't select the quality, that's a very core feature that is missing, people on a data plan, for example, wouldn't want the auto selection option. And then how difficult it is to find the stream, if you go to Facebook, even if you know what you are looking for, it's often very, very difficult to find it. And the features haven't been rolled out globally as they should have. So there are a lot of things where the experience breaks and we certainly understand that someone gives it a few tries and then stops after that.

That's not the case on other platforms, when we moved to YouTube with Pro League back in the day, that was a move people criticized, but ultimately they changed the platform and realized everything is the same and some things are even better because you can skip, rewind and all those things. That's great, and it didn't have stability issues other than the typical "my connection isn't good enough" or "my routing isn't good enough", which always happens, also on Twitch and on YouTube. But on Facebook it's more prominent, and you can't clip things, which is a big feature. All of that is what impacts the experience at the moment.

However, one of the side effects is that the alternative language streams have become much bigger because people now tend to go to the German stream or the Russian stream or the Spanish stream... we have a lot of them, I think we have streams in 22 languages for Cologne. Ultimately, our goal is still to make sure that the main English stream is also watchable for everyone without technical issues or without too many things that impact the experience.

Can you give your thoughts on how the Intel Grand Slam has gone so far? The first season is coming to a potential close, maybe here or in Stockholm...

I think it's interesting because at the beginning it wasn't a huge topic, obviously no team had won a significant amount of events and I think when we started last year, around Dallas, there wasn't any dominant team anymore. SK dominated for a bit but then they went into a slump. Then Astralis were good and then device was injured—every team had had its ups and down, no team was a clear favorite. Now, for the first time, we actually had FaZe being really consistent, but we also have Astralis, who on paper and based on results are much better than FaZe and they've shown so far in this tournament that they are really great.

Schulze is happy with the recent developments of the storylines around the Intel Grand Slam

Now it's where it becomes an interesting storyline. We also know FaZe can win this, but if they are defeated in the final then that team also gets $100,000. For Astralis, if they win this one and then Stockholm then that's it. They've closed it in four out of six events or something, which is huge. It's great that it's now becoming a better storyline and that's what we had originally envisioned. With so many different CS tournaments and no real connection between them, this is something that gives a bit more meaning beyond a ranking, which is also valid but the Intel Grand Slam gives more meaning to the tournament performance, for example, when you say that out of the last eight events FaZe have won three and they can now make it the fourth. And Astralis have won two out of the last four, that is just a more graspable storyline where you understand "Yeah, this team is really good now".

If the first season gets closed out at this tournament or the next one, is the second season going to be rolled out, is that already confirmed?

Yeah, it is basically a continuously rolling format that we are using, so we won't wait until someone wins to announce the second season—if somebody wins here everything gets reset and then we start again. I think Astralis can't win two Intel Grand Slams this year, but, theoretically, they could win one and three more events and make it really interesting. However, from our experience, the domination from the early era of CS:GO where NiP dominated, and then fnatic, those days are gone because it's so tough at the top. So we will continue right away with the second season, but it's great that we now have the story for Cologne and then Faze's last chance in Stockholm, which could maybe be Astralis' chance as well. So two teams in the same tournament, able to win it, that would be a really interesting storyline.

Any comments on the recent rumors about ESL getting the first Major of 2019? Obviously, you can't confirm it, but can you at least say if you pitched a plan and if so what did you have in mind?

We pitch for every Major, we used to run a lot of them, obviously. I think we haven't run one from 2016., which interestingly hasn't impacted us a lot, because so many of our events stand on their own feet as we see with Cologne. But we've pitched for every Major that is out there and we've also pitched for the next one. We had some interesting ideas for it, we think that there are a couple of ways that we could give the Majors something that sets them apart from the other events. We will learn about them in case there should be an announcement at some point, but we'd definitely be happy to host another Major because we think that with all the criticism the Major gets for its system it's still a great opportunity to appeal to the everyday CS:GO player, who might not follow an event like Cologne and still follows the Majors. And obviously, for the players, it's still really important, no matter what else exists in the ecosystem. So yeah, we'd be happy to host another Major and I'm assuming there will be an announcement at some point.

Your Majors so far have been Europe-based, is that still the place you find best to hold Majors?

We've also pitched for other regions, I think Europe has some great advantages just by being so close together, so it's easy to gather a crowd. I think in North America, traditionally, Majors have struggled a bit. MLG was really successful with the Major they had. The ones that ELEAGUE had, they had by default smaller venues so they weren't as massive as some of the European events, the PGL Krakow Major, for example, which was huge. I think it's easier to attract a crowd just because of geography at the end of the day. But we certainly see the advantages of North America because the timezone makes it a bit easier to schedule it at a time everybody can watch. But yeah, from an attending point of view, the biggest success for us has been Europe.

#1
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Armenia cGev
Instagram is pretty good.
2018-07-08 12:34
13 replies
#37
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Europe _EpiC_
ergo: fb is sheit
2018-07-08 12:37
Please no
2018-07-08 12:47
+1
2018-07-08 13:10
just DON'T give them any ideas. we're gonna be watching it over screen share on skype if it goes like this
2018-07-08 13:28
1 reply
lmao +1
2018-07-09 13:09
Instagram Live yes + boomerang filter
2018-07-08 13:42
2 replies
How does XBOX Live Party sounds?
2018-07-08 13:51
1 reply
How theh supossed to stream
2018-07-08 13:53
#132
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United Kingdom Yuli
Twitter is pretty good.
2018-07-08 13:58
#143
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Denmark FredFlex
I just like twitch
2018-07-08 14:34
3 replies
#167
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France BeeenJaY
+10000
2018-07-08 16:19
#196
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India reDREAMER
Yes dude twich or yt others are shitty
2018-07-08 21:36
+1
2018-07-09 13:10
That took you long enough
2018-07-08 12:33
15 replies
#35
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Australia g00sey
Fuckin aye, hopefully they get off FB asap
2018-07-08 12:37
12 replies
They should stream it in tinder
2018-07-08 12:39
11 replies
#55
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Australia g00sey
Preferably grindr
2018-07-08 12:41
10 replies
Better make it a cross platform stream
2018-07-08 12:44
9 replies
#65
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Australia g00sey
grindr x tinder x habbo hotel
2018-07-08 12:44
8 replies
Tf is habbo hotel
2018-07-08 12:45
7 replies
#72
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Australia g00sey
I'll tell you when you're older :*
2018-07-08 12:47
3 replies
lmfaoo
2018-07-08 12:47
Wp.
2018-07-08 12:48
dem good old days :(
2018-07-08 12:52
Habbo Hotel LOL.. oh my those memories.. only legends know about it lul
2018-07-08 12:59
2 replies
Good times. Still remember how i used my dads phone to biy ingame stiff only to get my ass slapped afterwards
2018-07-08 13:57
1 reply
Asian parent always spank their children when they did something wrong
2018-07-08 14:39
worst logic ever. It's not because HLTV interviews them just now that it means ESL never realized this fb issue before
2018-07-08 18:42
1 reply
thats even worse
2018-07-08 20:25
#3
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Italy xythhh
"faze can win this" LUL
2018-07-08 12:37
4 replies
#47
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Latvia pumasiK
"astralis can win this as well"
2018-07-08 12:39
3 replies
#67
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Portugal _LMF_
+1
2018-07-08 12:45
rofl
2018-07-08 12:47
lmao
2018-07-09 13:10
lul
2018-07-08 12:33
#5
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Norway Goplen
SNAPCHAT 2019
2018-07-08 12:33
Jd
2018-07-08 12:34
234
2018-07-08 12:34
#9
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Brazil fuNNa
Next ESL stream on twitter checks out
2018-07-08 12:34
2 replies
Nah
2018-07-08 12:59
Twitter is already proven streaming platform and if they out bid their competitors they will get the rights to stream esl events
2018-07-09 22:40
instagram next
2018-07-08 12:34
#12
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Turkey CHAMPTZ
YouTube & Twitch pls
2018-07-08 12:34
3 replies
+1
2018-07-08 12:43
1 reply
#200
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Sweden ak1do
+1
2018-07-09 09:52
+1
2018-07-09 13:10
facebook is the best platform to stream on and always will be!!
2018-07-08 12:34
7 replies
-1
2018-07-08 12:38
lmfao
2018-07-08 12:41
nt
2018-07-08 12:45
0/8
2018-07-08 12:48
nt Zucc
2018-07-08 14:15
nt Z U C C
2018-07-08 15:57
n t Z U C C
2018-07-09 13:11
No questionning needed, just end Facebook stream
2018-07-08 12:34
can we watch it on pornhub?
2018-07-08 12:34
10 replies
0/8
2018-07-08 12:36
5 replies
why not?
2018-07-08 12:36
4 replies
Actually, it can be
2018-07-08 12:37
3 replies
ik right? you wont get distracted by backround
2018-07-08 12:37
2 replies
Hahahahaha No
2018-07-08 12:38
1 reply
Possibly multitasking. Good one
2018-07-10 00:01
#50
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Poland Aloes
Yea, better than Facebook IMHO
2018-07-08 12:40
2 replies
imagine esl is on the break for the next match , hmmm you know what to do with that time:)
2018-07-08 12:46
1 reply
#187
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Australia Shlapsham
That's what i do anyway...
2018-07-08 19:23
open Pornhub go to live streams type 'esl' watch in 720p wow more functional than facebook already
2018-07-08 20:06
what's up 2019
2018-07-08 12:34
So much text and only 1 word "Twitch" used..
2018-07-08 12:35
Instagram live in 2019 inc
2018-07-08 12:35
bring back twitch idiots
2018-07-08 12:35
Just go back to twitch to have PogChamp on chat
2018-07-08 12:35
1 reply
#125
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Other kFelidae
also LUL
2018-07-08 13:52
Snapchat next .
2018-07-08 12:36
Smart
2018-07-08 12:36
stream.me soon....
2018-07-08 12:36
Twitch & Youtube ffs
2018-07-08 12:36
Instagram live in 2019. Calling it.
2018-07-08 12:37
#32
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Estonia RaimanS2k
Just stay on twitch, much better and more viewers
2018-07-08 12:37
stfu with this facebook shit
2018-07-08 12:37
twitch please :( u are killing cs man
2018-07-08 12:37
stream on pornhub pls
2018-07-08 12:37
Go back to Twitch.
2018-07-08 12:38
Stream on dingit.tv please
2018-07-08 12:38
#44
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Latvia pumasiK
stream on instagram lmao
2018-07-08 12:38
#45
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China longkas
ESL disband
2018-07-08 12:38
Twitch pleaseeeeee
2018-07-08 12:40
SUCKERBERG TAKE THIS YOU SOB
2018-07-08 12:40
holy shit thats the smoothest bald head ive ever seen
2018-07-08 12:40
#54
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Indonesia firaun
i don't care the platform, just don't delay
2018-07-08 12:41
2 colognes that were majors? Retard much? 2014 2015 and 2016. Thats three, fakkink knoop
2018-07-08 12:41
2 replies
I think he was referring to ESL One Colognes which are held in the LANXESS, the first one was part of the GamesCom game show
2018-07-08 12:47
1 reply
Ah, okay. Sorry fam.
2018-07-08 12:55
Good interview and good answers. Even though its not about this topic, i wish they had some common sense to fix ESL Wire until now since it's obvious they know what they are doing outside of that, the anticheat issue persists for such a long time...
2018-07-08 12:41
#59
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Australia Mosski
Cool
2018-07-08 12:42
You can use streamlink to bypass FB and watch esl streams in VLC/MPV or whatever you like. Ez and 1% CPU usage plus better quality.
2018-07-08 12:43
8 replies
I do this for all streaming platforms, and generally speaking, use MPV over VLC whenever possible (better CPU utilization, esp for streaming content). No browser overhead, flash not rearing its shitty ugly head, etc. It has been a real gem for Facebook, at least you can buffer your own data so you can rewind a bit.
2018-07-08 13:01
1 reply
I also prefer mpv and ffmpeg self compiled, but VLC can be set to use the same amount of CPU. MPV is just so smooth that I revert on VLC only for upnp streams on windows.
2018-07-08 16:51
Watching twitch uses more ram but less cpu for me. Vlc 1080p60 uses 3x the cpu as twitch at the same level. It's still better than Facebook though.
2018-07-08 13:57
3 replies
You must set hw acceleration properly or use MPV/MPC-HC. I7 4790k balanced profile = 0.5% CPU usage on both arch and windows.
2018-07-08 16:44
2 replies
I also prefer mpv and ffmpeg self compiled, but VLC can be set to use the same amount of CPU. MPV is just so smooth that I revert on VLC only for upnp streams on windows.
2018-07-08 16:47
I actually had last installed and updated it over a year ago lol. When I tried to mess with settings it gave me trouble and when I went to their site I saw a new one was out. With my i5 4690k I use less than 1% now too.
2018-07-08 17:38
Does this work on mobile?
2018-07-08 15:48
1 reply
No, sadly there's no port for mobile.
2018-07-08 16:45
Stream on livejasmin confirmed
2018-07-08 12:44
if you keep streaming on facebook you will kill cs as an esport since you are one of the most important companies that have big events, this is the worst viewership of cologne since the whole event launched in 2014, facebook stream barely hit 10k viewers, the russian stream on twitch has 60k .. people are willing to watch the game in a language they don't know to have a better viewing experience.. ESL seriously fucked up going after money which will end up hurting them and their sponsors when people start boycotting their events GO back to twitch jesus.
2018-07-08 12:45
5 replies
While I agree with most of what you said, it's much more than 10k viewers. The counter does not consider viewers who are not logged in or who are watching on embedded streams on other sites (like HLTV). Only ESL has the real numbers, I guess.
2018-07-08 12:51
4 replies
Does HLTV track embedded views on their end? You could probably expose some supplementary data if you had it (or are even allowed to share it?). From a recent NIP tweet about their minor qualifier, ~200k viewers came from Twitch, ~100k cane from external websites (68% of that being from HLTV).
2018-07-08 12:58
2 replies
Not really sure, to be honest, I only handle the editorial part :o)
2018-07-08 12:59
1 reply
#FakeNews
2018-07-08 12:59
Even if its more than 10k viewers, most of the people who watch in facebook because they don't have any other alternative, People won't be comfortable in the long run if they keep streaming it in facebook. Twitch chat is something completely unique that no other streaming platform have never been able to grasp it. I barely met anyone who went and said, "oh my god facebook stream.. that is next level.. what a great decision by ESL"
2018-07-08 13:05
do all of you here want them on twitch just so you can spam your emotes there? OMEGALUL
2018-07-08 12:50
#80
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Denmark Ahandii89
It fucking sucks. I cant watch it reliably on my tablet, which is what i use for the most part when im busy doing other things while watching.. Which means that i generally cant really watch esl events, or i can but i just cant be bothered.
2018-07-08 12:51
Just stream at Twitch
2018-07-08 12:52
You an actually watch the English vod 9n mixer as soon as it's over which is decent and better than waiting.
2018-07-08 12:55
ESL killed CSGO in 1 year. Thx ESL. You never think about community.
2018-07-08 12:55
what are you still evaluating?
2018-07-08 12:56
I think they should sell their rights to snapchat for a year, would be great.
2018-07-08 12:56
#90
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Poland neverbait
dead game and you want to do smth lol
2018-07-08 12:56
1 reply
How is the game dead? Only kids and gamblers left lol. It's perfect now.
2018-07-08 17:33
Chaturbate in 2019 100% confirmed
2018-07-08 12:57
ESL.tv inc
2018-07-08 13:00
#98
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Bulgaria VPSkype
Stream On Twitch and Make next major in Europe because it has better time zone than USA and fits well with the average viewer and will get higher viewer count.
2018-07-08 13:00
nice
2018-07-08 13:01
#101
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Latvia Tibro
nice one
2018-07-08 13:03
The Facebook deal probably wouldn't be as bad if there were constant front-end developments to their streaming service; their current system just seems so ad-hoc and last minute. Shit, look at Mixer & compare that to Facebook. Clipping & VODs would be a nice start.
2018-07-08 13:05
1 reply
it's honestly so terrible... like it's quite literally a decade behind twitch in terms of development and features...
2018-07-08 14:00
Money money money
2018-07-08 13:06
#105
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Russia dushmanSP
let's make it to see LANXESS Arena ESL Matches on... game ranger.
2018-07-08 13:08
its not a streaming platform if i cant spam TriHard
2018-07-08 13:14
#109
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Turkey Mustafa-
Just quit facebook and streaming in twitch Maybe twitch will give money for doing tournament
2018-07-08 13:15
#110
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Europe erhansol
bring back youtube it is great
2018-07-08 13:19
fucking idiot stream on twitch and stop with the nonsense
2018-07-08 13:20
#113
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Norway Fant0s
TWITCH.TV
2018-07-08 13:25
#114
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France 1Faren
Lmao no one watches stop thinking people watch whilst logged off XD excuses
2018-07-08 13:26
just make skypecall at this point
2018-07-08 13:28
I’d watch on face book but tired of getting my identity stolen and seeing fake news articals. Mark suckerburg as liberal as them come. GG California the most liberal state in American and has more homeless drug addicts then anyone else(3rd world numbers)and the most millionairs/wealthy people but yet dems try and make u believe they are for the poor people hahaha.
2018-07-08 13:39
#119
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Estonia E$t0
they should stream again on YT or Twitch since facebook literally sucks & u need to watch russian streams all the time
2018-07-08 13:42
inb4 musically streams
2018-07-08 13:46
Esl too poor to stream on normal streaming platforms. Next is probably Instagram instead of Facebook
2018-07-08 13:47
Idiots actually thought ppl were gonna log in to their facebooks to watch CS THEIR FACEBOOKS LMAO
2018-07-08 13:47
Fuck Facebook
2018-07-08 13:56
oh my god, esl finally publically acknowledged facebook is dogshit after literally every single person in the community has complained all year.... at least that is a step in the right direction, i hope....
2018-07-08 13:58
Nothing beats Twitch chat and reactions, legit just give it back to them.......
2018-07-08 14:02
#137
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Germany Kereka
bring back twitch bring back esl cologne major fuck facebook
2018-07-08 14:18
Facebook really sucks at streaming. Going back to Twitch or Youtube, it was much more enjoyable to watch. Even if I am French and I look on the stream FR, many English people come to ask where is the stream EN... And there are no links available on HLTV for Facebook
2018-07-08 14:21
TWITCH > ALL
2018-07-08 14:29
Why not stick to a dedicated streaming site like uhhhhhhhu Twitch
2018-07-08 14:31
twitch/youtube or PRESS F . period.
2018-07-08 14:31
lol still cant admit that facebook was a horribile idea.
2018-07-08 15:14
2 replies
+1
2018-07-08 15:34
+1
2018-07-09 13:12
facebook sucks man, youtube and twitch are the best platforms right now. Please ESL change your mind, your viewership count is decreasing.
2018-07-08 15:15
how bout chaturbate, they seems good for streaming platform tho
2018-07-08 15:18
I will never forget tosspot (twitch) flaming this flying dj on european events... the brit always won the arguments tho xD
2018-07-08 15:30
Thanks for killing csgo. Not watching any of your cringe events btw
2018-07-08 15:38
wow took them long enough to realize that facebook is utter garbage who's using facebook in 2018 anyways lmao
2018-07-08 15:39
1 reply
#158
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United States Acehavok
I’m feeling thank you. They realized it right away just no one ever got a statement out of them, they’re not stupid, they’re sellouts. A lot of people still use Facebook mainly non-thots, it’s less attention whoring than Instagram, and Twitter is kind of it’s own thing.
2018-07-08 15:46
#155
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Germany Tompelele
Esl on Tv heared it first here
2018-07-08 15:40
#156
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United States Acehavok
2019 MySpace contract??
2018-07-08 15:43
Sherlock Holmes
2018-07-08 15:51
"I think that just because people have such a great experience every time, both on stream and on-site, and because the teams like it so much, it has become such an important event in the year." We fucking USED to have a great experience on stream. The shitty fucking FB stream experience is abysmal, not just because of the awful quality of the stream (and the fact that when I wanted to watch Cologne on my phone, as I wasn't home for most of the days of the group stage, it literally wouldn't load half the time), but also because the chat experience on the FB stream is HORRIBLE. There is not even 10% of the hype I used to have during Cologne on Twitch, with the hundreds and/or thousands of people cheering for teams, commenting on what was happening, and calling out VAC and whatever else. There is annoying spam often, sure, but for a stream, the fucking interaction you can have with it beyond just the video you see adds so much to it, and currently, Cologne is one of the best events, with easily the shittiest experience for people at home.
2018-07-08 16:15
make LAN scene clean from cheating and people will comeback
2018-07-08 16:15
no shit
2018-07-08 16:18
next year esl will stream on brazzers or pornhub cuz they got faked by facebook so hard
2018-07-08 16:34
facebook is ded why he dont understand he is ded bro ded
2018-07-08 16:37
twitch is the best streaming site atm. also the chat + emoticons add a lot to the experience
2018-07-08 16:37
everyone focusing on the facebook stream and the faze and astralis bit with the grand slam. Most interesting bit was "We've also pitched for other regions" and "But we certainly see the advantages of North America because the timezone makes it a bit easier to schedule it at a time everybody can watch.". I have a strong feeling ESL getting the first major next years means it's in NA. Considering the pattern since 2016. I'm putting money on maybe New York or Chicago since he emphasized in the paragraph getting a big crowd is difficult
2018-07-08 16:42
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it will be never in NA stop dreamin and the schedule everybody can watch is a lie
2018-07-08 16:45
it will be a nightmare for eu viewers when its in NA, 2 stay up till midnight and then watch wtf go fuck yourself then
2018-07-08 16:48
I hope it goes to Oakland/San Francisco. I would totally go to it.
2018-07-08 22:45
it's all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$
2018-07-08 17:02
As long as CS is on facebook i dont give a damn about it. CS = twitch, like it or not. If they are shaving you off a lot of money, then YT is (worse but acceptable) way.
2018-07-08 17:31
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depends what you want, if you want with chat reaction than twitch is the best ( i prefer this way also ) If you want to watch quality wise i would say youtube is better.
2018-07-08 20:57
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+1 YT over FB any given day.
2018-07-08 21:10
Facebook is shit
2018-07-08 17:31
FACEBOOK = -80% VIEWS AND HALF THEY ASSIST ARE CASUAL PUBLIC NOR KNOW THE RULES OF A COMPETITIVE
2018-07-08 19:48
Fb stream is the worst. Couldn't use Chromecast and it was lagging and freezing every 15 minutes or so. Ended up watching the Russian twitch stream or not watching at all.
2018-07-08 20:43
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I keep getting some small lags when im watching the stream from FB spike lags. Annoying as hell and i have 200/200 fiber. YT or Twitch no problems what so ever. Worst deal they made (for the viewer perspective)
2018-07-08 21:11
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Macedonia thrash94
Watching the events on Twitch was 100 times better than Facebook as I was able to use the pop-out feature on the Android app and do something else on the phone during the breaks between matches.
2018-07-08 22:00
steam on facebook = most dumbass move ever.. congratz
2018-07-09 01:04
No Facebook please. OMFG my phone is like on the fire watching game. So I have to switch to Twitch, though I cannot understand any Russian.
2018-07-09 10:28
Not a fan of facebook too .. it was working bad for me past week too
2018-07-09 12:26
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