FACEIT Major to feature Buchholz system, BO3 fifth Swiss round

MIRAA
August 1st, 2018 17:00

FACEIT has announced some changes to the format for the upcoming Major, with the introduction of the Buchholz system as a seeding tool and of best-of-three matches in the 2-2 Swiss round.

Typically used in tiebreak scenarios, the Buchholz scoring system makes it possible to measure how hard a team's route at a tournament has been by summing the scores of their opponents.

The system had been suggested in an HLTV.org feature released in April by Milan "Striker" Švejda titled "Searching for the Perfect Format", which pointed out the flaws in the four-team double elimination groups and in the typical Swiss stage.

The Buchholz system would have prevented the Astralis-SK quarter-final clash in Krakow

FACEIT will be using Buchholz as a seeding tool in rounds 3-5 of the Swiss stage in both the New Challengers and the New Legends stages. It will also be applied in the playoffs, this way preventing a repeat of the infamous Astralis-SK quarter-final clash from PGL Major Krakow (both teams had a higher Buchholz score than North, who in the end got the easier match-up against Virtus.pro). For the first two Swiss rounds, the seeding process will be the same from previous Majors.

An extra day of matches has been added to both Swiss stages to facilitate the introduction of the best-of-three format for the crucial fifth round, which, according to FACEIT co-founder and Chief Business Officer (CBO) Michele Attisani, "will add value to both the competition and the storylines" of the tournament.

“Every decision we’ve made has been carefully considered with the competition, players and fans in mind," the FACEIT chief added. "We discussed formats with CS:GO stakeholders and presented multiple options to Valve to ensure the new format was fully supported across the board

"We are always looking for ways to improve the quality and integrity of the competition, and we did see a number of issues in past format structures. We can’t wait to see the new format in action next month, and to bring fans and players a whole new standard of CS:GO Major."

These are the first changes to a Major's tournament format since ELEAGUE Major Atlanta 2017, which was the first $1 million Valve-sponsored event to feature the Swiss system.

Meanwhile, FACEIT has revealed that both the New Challengers (September 5-9) and the New Legends stages (12-16) will be held at the Twickenham Stadium, in London. The venue, owned by the governing body of rugby union in England, staged the four Minors and will continue to offer an executive chef and 24-hour access to private practice rooms to all the competing teams.

The Major will then culminate with a live event from September 20-23 at the 10,000-seater SSE Arena, in London, which staged the offline finals of the first and the third seasons of FACEIT's Esports Championship Series (ECS). The New Champions stage will span four days, the first two of which will feature the quarter-finals. The semi-finals will be held on the 22nd, while the final day of the event will feature the title decider.

#1
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Russia Baitzera_SK 
Interesting format!!! Like if you agree! xaxaxaxax
2018-08-01 17:01
Gratx mate
2018-08-01 17:00
This system is for tryhards but its will be more fair for all. But playoff major wouldnt be random, so underdog wouldnt win the major anymore((
2018-08-07 22:21
Gambit was not Underdog lul
2018-08-07 22:58
before major they lost 80% pracs and online. THey was underdog. BUT I WAS TRULY HAPPY WHEN THEY WON
2018-08-08 15:28
For Hltv users yes but for hltv guys they were Mid-Tier yes MID-TIER but no_one expected that thry will win a Major
2018-08-09 23:43
#326
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Brazil R1skySHOOOW 
It was the hardest pick'em challenge ever to got gold
2018-08-25 14:10
#329
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France PAPIX 
Dremhack Winter was a tough one aswell !
2018-08-25 21:26
#296
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Germany TheYStriker 
I liked the randomness of majors, too. So many whined about an upset potential even though this makes the competition even more interesting.
2018-08-07 23:34
SAME DUDE
2018-08-08 15:28
#308
Aerial | 
Finland S1rva 
Yea bro I get your point but the real point of majors is to find the best team atm in world
2018-08-14 10:24
#321
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Germany TheYStriker 
and why shouldn't the best win against worse teams? Because they only play one map?
2018-08-19 21:54
Njce
2018-08-01 17:01
Thank god
2018-08-01 17:01
who is BUCHHOLZ?
2018-08-01 17:02
#320
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Netherlands [Np]KNz 
I think he's the guy who plays beast on x-men
2018-08-19 13:28
and hit the bell icon so you won't miss any future videos!!!
2018-08-01 17:03
Luled.'
2018-08-01 17:20
XDDDDDDDDDD
2018-08-01 21:28
this is so sad can we hit wOmAn
2018-08-02 01:13
this is so original, can we hit children
2018-08-05 02:04
This is so original, can we hit HLTV admins
2018-08-27 03:18
#48
f0rest | 
Netherlands PATOZR 
gonna sub on you, great content
2018-08-01 17:06
#54
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Russia Baitzera_SK 
thanks))
2018-08-01 17:08
#61
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Denmark MeToxi 
----------- | Like | -----------
2018-08-01 17:09
#80
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India swast1k36 
Sk dead team
2018-08-01 17:15
But mibr alive.
2018-08-01 17:20
isnt lol
2018-08-06 02:41
#255
oskar | 
Czech Republic ufonk 
G2 dead team and KennyS dead player.
2018-08-04 12:18
MiBR needs NA to carry them LUL
2018-08-05 07:19
#278
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Brazil |Guts| 
bottom fragging?
2018-08-06 02:23
it was a joke, buddy.
2018-08-08 01:26
#322
rain | 
United States br1sK_ 
MIBR soon to be MINA
2018-08-20 19:41
Mibr just signs rush ska and auti and c9 becomes a full eu team
2018-08-21 00:20
#309
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Czech Republic milan1322 
Lul
2018-08-14 11:43
yes it is
2018-08-02 00:50
#2
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Ukraine twil 
noice
2018-08-01 17:00
#4
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Netherlands Idioot 
Huh
2018-08-01 17:00
#5
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Romania Warrior516 
Nice
2018-08-01 17:01
#8
Snax | 
United Kingdom LFX 
Cool
2018-08-01 17:01
VP OMEGALUL
2018-08-01 17:01
#10
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Germany dxciBel 
nice
2018-08-01 17:01
#12
Dosia | 
Poland WrzodX 
BO3 should become a standard in majors TBH.
2018-08-01 17:02
No way, its not intresting, bo1 fair enough to be honest. Swiss will take whole week if it will be played in bo3
2018-08-01 17:03
#52
ropz | 
United Kingdom Roarhaven 
Yes, but when you have BO1s in Swiss with no reseeding like the last major you have shit like QBF making the top 8 when they did fuck all before it and have done fuck all since
2018-08-01 17:08
We have reseeding now ok
2018-08-01 17:09
Nah, qbf deserved playoff spot for these comeback.
2018-08-01 17:11
Mouz 13-2 QBF Mouz 14-16 QBF
2018-08-01 17:33
#150
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Argentina Zestv2 
+1
2018-08-01 19:23
+1
2018-08-01 19:31
Yeah you’re right actually, so deserved they got utterly embarrassed by navi over 2 maps where they made Zeus look like 2013 shox. They were lucky in bo1s and never should of got to the top 8
2018-08-01 17:52
Pff wtf are you talking about, you can say the same about every team which lose top 8 stage. Knockout in 2 maps.
2018-08-01 18:00
How much has QBF done since the major? Nothing. How much will they do this major? Nothing. Flamie set a record in a MAJOR QUARTERFINAL for the most kills in a half during the inferno game, because that’s how amazing and deserving of the spot they were. In fact, they’re so amazing bookmark this when they go out of this Swiss system 0-3 and get utterly shit on by every team they play
2018-08-01 18:07
#292
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United States ItsImpact 
+1
2018-08-07 01:37
#306
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Finland Pikkun0va 
+1
2018-08-10 09:47
#311
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
+1
2018-08-18 13:17
#98
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Malta aidsss 
But it makes majors more interesting cuz tier 1 teams could be eliminated before the play offs
2018-08-01 17:35
If being more interesting is having shit teams in the bo3s idc, qbf would of never got through a bo3 Swiss System. And also, I don’t want to see winstrike at this major because they’ve done fucking nothing since and are literally stealing a spot from a better team
2018-08-01 17:53
how can someone steal something that is their by right?
2018-08-01 18:42
Because the system shouldn’t be like this in the first place, imagine a world where majors were invite only for the top 8 and everyone else had to qualify, in what world even after finishing top 8 at the previous major would you invite these schmucks?
2018-08-01 20:04
but this isn't the case, nor the system. They earned their spot on last major. Majors are meant to be accessible to any team, without benefiting anyone, even the top 8 teams. I agree with the high probability of upsets that can happen on the actual system, and I think that elimination matches should be played as BO3 instead of BO1, but u cant blame the lower tier team for those upsets. they're fighting for their spot as any other team
2018-08-01 21:40
but he's not blaming the lower tier teams, he blames the system for allowing those bo1 upsets in the first place. i'm not gonna get into the debate about 'earning' and 'deserving', it tends to lead to nothing.
2018-08-02 00:40
#201
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Australia CaZeR01 
Maybe the "better team" should have played better
2018-08-02 03:06
#277
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Norway daniel98 
+1 Doesen't matter if it's a bo1, the better team team should win anyway.
2018-08-05 20:18
Tbh it wasn't a fuck all. They beat on form VP last majors to make their way into this. So basically they had the talent but i agree they wont last with this new system.
2018-08-02 07:15
I think you mean VP that were a year into a slump?
2018-08-02 11:18
amen sir
2018-08-07 14:37
Who cares if it's interesting or not, all my friend just have their accounts linked to get drops. Besides people are working, I wouldn't have time to watch even if I for some weird reason actually wanted to watch a game
2018-08-01 17:10
#117
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Lithuania Woozylul 
If you really believe that most people watch the major only for the drops why did the major final last map inferno had over a million viewers when the souvenir it was droping had the cheapest price of them all and your logic is flawed cuz if the major becomes more interesting to watch wouldn't that be a weird reason to actually watch games hmm
2018-08-01 17:45
#127
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Russia xtkjdtr01 
+1
2018-08-01 17:52
Do you think people care about the prices? You start every account and just let the streams run throughout the entire major. So the only real viewers are the difference between amount of viewers in group stages and the final.
2018-08-01 18:00
BO1 is nowhere near as fair. All BO3 would be the best. Just do two games at once....no one is gonna watch all the games anyway
2018-08-01 17:11
Its right desicion
2018-08-01 17:12
The right decision is all BO3. BO1 have no place at majors
2018-08-01 17:12
Why, its not single elimination. Teams need to warmup, you can see how bad they are at start of major. More drops,more maps,more intresting. + we have bo3 already at 2-2. Qbf outplayed navi gambit and mouz, so by your logic they do not deserve spot?
2018-08-01 17:16
Because BO1 are a cause for upset. QBF winning 6 BO1's, getting knocked out in the QF's and then doing fuck all after the major is proof that 1. BO1's fuck everything up and 2. The chances that QBF making playoffs ofF of BO3 would be a lot lower
2018-08-01 17:18
They have no invites and no sponsors, no support, every team will lose matches in t3 online league btw. Even Navi can. 1/2^6= 1/64 MAGIC OR SKILL? They play inferno and train, is cs go players to stupid to ban inferno for example?
2018-08-01 17:24
And dont qualify for tournaments. If they're legend status level, then getting through quals shouldnt be a problem.
2018-08-01 17:42
Say it to nip ok, 1-2 year ago
2018-08-01 17:45
Comparing NiP to QBF....wow
2018-08-01 17:46
Any problem? Nip is not better when qbf even now cmon
2018-08-01 17:50
NiP: can beat North, optic and Ence in BO3 QBF/Winstrike: Lose against LDLC, Dreameaters and Fragsters in BO3 Yeah, not any better
2018-08-01 17:52
If a tier1 team loses A bo1 to a tier2 team in a major the t2 team deserves to prove themselves in playoffs imo
2018-08-01 17:43
lol no wtf
2018-08-01 17:44
if they are that much better they should win bo1 aswell
2018-08-01 23:11
You realise BO3 and BO1 arent the same right?
2018-08-02 00:40
Ofc i do, a team that has 5 better players shouldnt lose a bo1 either, specially when they have had time to prepare for a major... (i replied to the first comment you made)
2018-08-02 00:43
Prepare for a team that (at the time) had barely any demos of against top teams? QBF Did not make Playoffs purely off skill
2018-08-02 00:43
Luck is a part of the game, some call it timings
2018-08-02 00:44
Exactly, everything that needed to right for them did go right for them. It was a complete anomaly
2018-08-02 00:47
well if everything that needs to happen happens they deserve imo
2018-08-02 00:47
#112
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Germany Cyasera 
Well I don't think that would be a problem. I think the Majors should be the largest tournaments of the year, so I think having the major go 3 weeks is not a bad thing. LOL worlds for example also take a month.
2018-08-01 17:43
Thats why lol is not popular
2018-08-01 17:46
#122
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Germany Cyasera 
>LOL not popular >having 106.000.000 peak viewers (ok 104 Million of them were Chinese but still.) Also I personally like long events where you have the story lines building up over the weeks and not just an event with 8 teams over a 3-4 days even if those are the best in the world. Obviously that'S different for everyone tho.
2018-08-01 17:50
This is gay game, nobody plays it in russia, dota won competition. Srsly, i dont know any people who plays lol
2018-08-01 17:53
#132
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Germany Cyasera 
Well true in CIS Dota is much bigger. But everywhere else it's either similar sized or larger. Obviously especially in east asia LOL is a lot more popular.
2018-08-01 17:53
The Ruski doesnt have a lot of braincells
2018-08-01 17:53
I share it with you
2018-08-01 18:01
Nah, you dont
2018-08-01 18:01
ahahahaaha retard alert
2018-08-01 18:20
Just random guy who try to bait me. Nt, now play lol
2018-08-01 18:38
like i already said: retard alert lul
2018-08-01 18:44
#13
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Spain L3gi13 
Nice
2018-08-01 17:01
Nice.. maybe?
2018-08-01 17:01
#15
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Lithuania SH4NKER 
nice
2018-08-01 17:01
#16
cyx | 
Belarus bys3l2k 
nice, gj, 4etko
2018-08-01 17:01
nice
2018-08-01 17:01
#20
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Russia sneakyboy 
who
2018-08-01 17:01
I dont understand
2018-08-01 17:02
wtf
2018-08-01 17:02
#23
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Norway Phancy11 
Fair enough
2018-08-01 17:02
NICE
2018-08-01 17:02
Nice, gj
2018-08-01 17:02
#28
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Netherlands Dust2isBest 
Awesome
2018-08-01 17:02
neato
2018-08-01 17:02
#30
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Spain GonGon 
Final is still BO3 tho...
2018-08-01 17:03
#32
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Russia Scorceze 
Ez major for 5balls
2018-08-01 17:03
#126
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Albania insiderED 
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
2018-08-01 17:52
#307
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Russia Scorceze 
5balls > Astralis
2018-08-12 19:00
good, better teams win
2018-08-01 17:03
Maybe one day we'll have a real major (like in tennis) with a single bracket and BO5 games and not some over complicated shit systems.
2018-08-01 17:03
Its not intresting, bo3 will be fine with bo5 final
2018-08-01 17:05
Btw, some teams deserved 2nd chance, swiss allow them to play 5 times.
2018-08-01 17:08
Well I do think a Bo5 single elimination tournament based on HLTV rankings for seeds starting from Ro16 would make a hell of a Major. If you lose you're out. I dont want second chances. It would be incredible.
2018-08-01 17:12
Pff, its waste of time to be honest. 4 bo5 games. 3-1 is most shit score i ever seen. 4 hours for pretty onesided game.
2018-08-01 17:13
#37
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Belgium jorneiro 
Smh how will Gambit win another major with this format
2018-08-01 17:04
#38
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United States Prattatat 
Much better
2018-08-01 17:04
#39
Dropzera | 
Russia r3sp 
So bo3 only in 2-2 matches?
2018-08-01 17:04
Yes
2018-08-01 17:06
Better than nothing
2018-08-01 17:06
#40
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Slovakia Kurki 
gj
2018-08-01 17:04
Sounds good Nip top1
2018-08-01 17:04
#42
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Indonesia Speartuna 
Nice, longer games means more dramas. Let’s go major!
2018-08-01 17:05
omfg this is so nice, finally we can see a prestige major not like the last 2
2018-08-01 17:05
nice
2018-08-01 17:06
thank mr george bushboltz
2018-08-01 17:07
#50
dycha | 
Brunei S4jko 
nice to see
2018-08-01 17:07
"this way preventing a repeat of the infamous Astralis-SK quarter-final clash from PGL Major Krakow." This isn't a prevention of both teams play shit opponents. The people who like these ranking systems are the same people who only want astralis faze mibr or navi to win every tournament We need drama not scripted events that help enhance the top 4 teams chances of winning.
2018-08-01 17:09
#67
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Denmark MeToxi 
And how does this change in any way help scripting the events?
2018-08-01 17:11
top 4 are less likely to eliminate each other in the playoffs until the end. They will play underdogs the entire time and if one of those underdogs win then they will just play another top 4 team the following round
2018-08-01 17:42
#163
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Denmark MeToxi 
so what you're saying is that the worst teams should be more likely to be in semi's than the best teams?
2018-08-01 20:32
Who's to say who's worse and who's better? By you saying someone's worse you're clearly showing your bias. How cba you even call yourself a CS fan when you don't care about the scene?
2018-08-01 20:38
#168
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Denmark MeToxi 
Im not determining who's worse and who's better. Buchholz will do that in a fair and logical way. And how is it biased to say that some teams is worse than others? Do u just think that all teams in existence is equally good? I never mentioned teamnames so how the fuck could that be biased?
2018-08-01 20:41
Biased clown is so obvious "I want the best to win" what a lame ass approach and clearly biased. Keep insulting me and being a bully but all that projecting will get you no where with real CS fans.
2018-08-01 23:49
#185
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Denmark MeToxi 
You're probably the type who'd like the majors to be played with 0$ pricemoney. At least thats what u sound like cuz clearly u dont realize that esports is a fulltime job where some people earn actual money that they use to survive and live. U could keep baiting all u want, but realize this. People like u need help. Your parents were probably drunks or drugaddicts who didn't know how to raise a child. So u used cs as a safehouse and started to be a cunt to everybody, cuz thats all u ever knew. Go seek mental help before its to late. And call the authorities right away. Or maybe you're just a typical hltv cunt who doesn't have a life outside of hltv and therefor lashes out on those you can. Whichever you are, make sure u fix it before adult life reaches u cuz this kind of behavior sure as hell won't help u.
2018-08-02 00:17
ive already reported you for your childish behavior but it seems im going to have to do it this time for further insults you have thrown my way
2018-08-02 03:25
#208
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Denmark MeToxi 
Sure thing bro. I'll just report u right back since it was u who started the negative and insulting comments.
2018-08-02 07:26
keep trying to bully me it wont work
2018-08-02 18:55
#226
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Denmark MeToxi 
I think u need to rework your entire lifeview. Btw, dont bother writing again cuz i won't answer. I've had enough of your bullshit
2018-08-02 21:25
now youre attempting to attack me? You lost the "debate" and now since you have no comeback you attempt to just sling mud. You lost take the L and move on, stop being a bully and grow up kid
2018-08-03 11:15
#281
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
lol if you want drama, go watch reality TV. eSports and CS is not about drama, it's about competition.
2018-08-06 08:21
not thanks to any teams from ukraine of course
2018-08-06 20:54
#285
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
You criticized the last guy for childish behaviour, yet you go on to insult teams from my country as your first reply instead of constructing a sentence that is actually related to my response. Your reply is probably the biggest piece of hypocrisy I have seen in my life. Again, if you need drama, you could watch some TV series or an actual reality show. It's called "Competitive Counter-Strike" for a reason, not "Dramatic Counter-Strike".
2018-08-06 21:41
now youre trying to bully me too??? Shows that simple isnt the only bully in ukraine
2018-08-06 23:29
#287
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
I'm not bullying you, just trying to prove you wrong.
2018-08-06 23:30
now youre insulting me? Seriously get a life
2018-08-06 23:34
#289
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
You're acting very immature.
2018-08-06 23:35
now youre insulting me again? Kid plz
2018-08-06 23:44
#92
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Switzerland wHIt3wHISk3Y 
man if an underdog team comes well prepared to the major and beats many top teams then well, deserved top8 or whatever they get. What people doesn't like is that underdogs get long runs in tournaments after just beating other shitty teams.
2018-08-01 17:22
#103
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Europe Vallon 
+1
2018-08-01 17:33
the only people that dont like that arent real CS fans
2018-08-01 17:42
#162
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Switzerland wHIt3wHISk3Y 
u are not a real cs fan u are an incurable romantic which loves when underdogs win, even when it's not deserved at all. if an underdog is going to win a major let it be because they beat all of the top teams, not because a bad format without reseeding put them in the position to do so- if they're really good, they're gonna get the higher seed sooner or later
2018-08-01 20:28
#164
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Denmark MeToxi 
agreed. And besides, even if an underdog wins, it'll just be that more exciting for underdog fans
2018-08-01 20:33
You mean real cs Fans
2018-08-01 20:41
#170
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Denmark MeToxi 
Just because i want the best team to win a tournament that is held to find the best team.
2018-08-01 20:42
I thought you wanted asstralis to win?
2018-08-01 23:47
#186
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Denmark MeToxi 
Sure i do. As a fan. But that doesn't change the fact that i'd be disappointed if astralis had to play against freaking NTC in a final of a major. Cuz that wouldn't be a well deserved victory
2018-08-02 00:20
i dont care your opinion is irrelevant
2018-08-02 03:24
NTC would win ez
2018-08-06 08:43
You do R even watch open teams through map you sit there and stroke yourself to 3 teams and can give a shit about the growth of the game. You cheer when players get poached from smaller teams. You are the worst how can you even call yourself a fan of anything you make me sick. And on top of it all you're projecting so tell me champ why is it that you hate yourself
2018-08-01 20:41
#313
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
implying that QBF deserve top 8
2018-08-18 13:21
Implying you're a brain dead idiot who doesn't like when CS teams that are too 10 best those team cuz you're petty
2018-08-19 07:32
#318
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
implying that QBF deserved top 8
2018-08-19 07:33
They did if you think otherwise it speaks volumes for what kind of an awful fan you are. You're the problem
2018-08-19 09:41
#53
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Romania RBK_GOD 
It was better also for 0-2 1-2 2-2 matches
2018-08-01 17:08
#84
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Brazil 16|0 
+1
2018-08-01 17:17
#55
byali | 
Japan KasPro 
Undergododododo
2018-08-01 17:08
#57
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Poland icelake 
gg VP
2018-08-01 17:08
this system is the one that we use when we are playing chess come on xD
2018-08-01 17:08
#59
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Slovakia NyKnight 
ast lose to nip
2018-08-01 17:09
#62
RUSH | 
United States Sn0W_CS 
I love how faceit is dedicated to making a good major
2018-08-01 17:10
This is comparable to the tie-breaker system used in Magic: The Gathering tournaments! Basicly the better your opponents scores, the better your tie-breaker becomes. This way, losing against two teams that went 3-0 and 3-1 increases your tie-breaker a lot, while winning against a team that went 0-3 doesn't increase it much. Can't wait to see the system in action at the major!
2018-08-01 17:10
Fuck off with this shit ass swiss system
2018-08-01 17:11
The thing is with swiss is, when it's not all BO3 and there is shit seeding...its trash But when its all BO3 and there is good seeding, I like it just as much as GSL
2018-08-01 17:14
Its a major. Every match should be b03 so the truly better team advances not teams like QBF...
2018-08-01 17:15
+1 100% agree
2018-08-01 17:15
but qbf was better lol
2018-08-01 19:27
Yeah we saw that after the major...
2018-08-01 19:54
after a major and on major are different things
2018-08-01 20:02
#314
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
they’re still playing the same game lmao its not like the major is cs1.6 and after the major they start playing csgo qbf suck trash
2018-08-18 13:22
#69
steel | 
Belarus Ruble 
very good :)
2018-08-01 17:12
#72
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United Kingdom FEodAL 
Can someone tell me the correct dates for the legends stage as faceit website saying 20-24th of september and here 20-23th
2018-08-01 17:12
it's 20-23rd, i've just double checked with FACEIT
2018-08-01 17:23
#99
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United Kingdom FEodAL 
Thanks a lot, means final should be on sunday so no need to book extra day!
2018-08-01 17:26
#282
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
I think it's always been on Sunday.
2018-08-06 08:25
great change!
2018-08-01 17:15
#82
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Germany Delf1n 
Aint that Stadium a little big? 82.000 thousand seats?!
2018-08-01 17:17
Definitely a good middle ground when best of threes cannot be played all the way through the swiss stage
2018-08-01 17:17
#88
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Pakistan d1ckweed 
Sexy!
2018-08-01 17:20
Nice, FaceIt doing good job. Might be one of the best majors ever organised.
2018-08-01 17:20
#93
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Malta aidsss 
The best swiss format so far
2018-08-01 17:22
#95
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Brazil cadik 
Buchholz system POGGERS
2018-08-01 17:23
WTF BUTTHOLE SYSTEM POGGERS!!!!
2018-08-01 17:26
Nice, now we need a 2M usd prizepool major and a bo5 grand final
2018-08-01 17:27
#104
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Europe Vallon 
Lmao, it seems even tournament organizers agree that Krakow major was shit.
2018-08-01 17:34
#105
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Denmark kazzb 
This is so much better
2018-08-01 17:34
This sounds like a Ww2 invasion plan
2018-08-01 17:36
#107
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
are you just in a funny mood today and it indeed does cus the word is German
2018-08-01 17:41
How on earth do you see every single reply I post
2018-08-01 17:42
#115
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
idk
2018-08-01 17:44
#165
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World breezy0 
Operation Buchholz
2018-08-01 20:35
#124
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Colombia AlejoBuh 
PogChamp
2018-08-01 17:51
#125
k0nfig | 
Germany Trax_ 
Now BO5 in the Final PLZ GABE LISTEN
2018-08-01 17:51
#137
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CIS eddie42 
nice. plus big kudos to HLTV, I'm pretty sure that great article triggered this change.
2018-08-01 18:03
WE DID IT BOIS
2018-08-01 18:10
haha after 5 years : - still bo1 on major - another undeserved team like QBF/BIG team with legend status - bo3 in final instead bo5 why the fck ; ( rest seems ok ; Buchholz system atleast something new ; /
2018-08-01 18:12
#180
s1mple | 
Poland Hell2k 
BO5 is boring lol
2018-08-01 23:08
#315
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
subjectively
2018-08-18 13:23
#142
somebody | 
United Kingdom suge 
Good changes
2018-08-01 18:23
Better use bo3 on all elimination matches. Then we won't have teams eliminated by upsets
2018-08-01 18:50
the fact that a team can go to playoffs or qualify just for winning three BO1s is equally as big a problem as teams getting eliminated due to losing three BO1s. seeding is a good step forward though
2018-08-01 18:56
This SK - Astralis example is idiotic, there was always before a chance to get clash in the Quarter no matter which system was used. And as we have later seen VP won their quarter and in the final there were 2 underdogs who played the best at this very tournament. Who could imagine that BIG would go 3-0 and win against SK in the group stage? Can't solve every "problem" with a system but it is more likely to make everything complicated which will make CS less attractive
2018-08-01 19:05
NIP will win the major!
2018-08-01 19:20
Somebody explain me how QBF was "lucky" at the last major? They were throwing dices?
2018-08-01 19:28
hltv confirmed
2018-08-01 19:35
#155
fox | 
Portugal VAC69FOX 
Butholez major
2018-08-01 19:43
#156
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
FACEIT I LOVE YOU HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS IS GOING TO BE AN INHUMAN MAJOR!!!!!!
2018-08-01 19:45
#158
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Malaysia byaIi 
ok lets go
2018-08-01 20:01
NICE!
2018-08-01 20:24
#176
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Denmark Xipingu 
FINALLY SOME BRAIN! Thank you Faceit! +813457197561795
2018-08-01 22:36
#177
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Europe Cariocazera 
finally! ty, faceit
2018-08-01 22:37
FINALLY! Thank you! I'm so happy that best of 3's will determine who gets eliminated and who advances. I don't prefer when every match is bo3, too many games, but this will be perfect!
2018-08-01 22:53
#179
s1mple | 
Poland Hell2k 
2-0 matches should be BO3 too
2018-08-01 23:07
#181
s1mple | 
Poland Hell2k 
swiss system is shit should be normal group system al matches BO3
2018-08-01 23:09
AHAHAHAH group LUL, and then you ez get group with astralis, navi and mouz in same group, or even worse navi, astralis mouz and liuqid in same group, so good that this decision is not up to u explain to you, navi semis - 1st seed, mouz 1/4 = 2nd seed, astralis to win qual 3-0 = 3rd seed, liquid could get 4th seed if they lose at least 1 game(to astralis for exmaple) so you might get 4 best team in the world in 1 group nice one
2018-08-02 00:57
#198
s1mple | 
Poland Hell2k 
if you want to be the best you need to beat the best
2018-08-02 01:31
but the best should fight in playoffs not in group, we could ez get 1 group, astralis navi liquid mouz, 2nd faze, fnatic north and big\tyloo and 3rd and 4th with only tier-3 teams, mibr, c9 winstrike, g2 +4 chellengers, and in 1 brecket we have navi, astralis, mouz faze/liquid, in other side mibr, c9, g2 and winstrike, nice one p.s. just stupid polak that think that group is better, without good seeding groups suck
2018-08-02 10:58
no actually having four groups with 2 legend teams and 2 challenger teams and having first 2 games as bo1 and the rest as bo3 with double elimination is the best system imo the four best teams in the world ending in the same group isnt likely because there are 16 teams.... it will also guarantee that the 2 best teams in the group make it out 1 out of the four groups might be unbalanced but it would ensure balance in majority of the groups
2018-08-02 03:58
but it possble, cuz astralis and liquid are challengers, or other group to have c9 and winstrike as a legends in group
2018-08-02 10:50
like i said ,saying that "what if the top 4 teams out of 16 end up in the same group" is pretty damn dumb
2018-08-02 18:32
or atleast 3 teams top-5 team in 1 group is possible, and 1 group - tier-3 squad with g2, c9 + 2 challengers, groups suck
2018-08-02 18:35
yes but there is only a slight chance of 1 group being slightly tough and 1 slihtly easy (qbf legends...), but even from those groups 2 top teams will make it out and in the worst case 1 team from top 8 is left out but the majority of them will qualify
2018-08-02 18:41
qbf c9 and g2 - 3 tier-3 legends, mibr 1 tier-2 legend, astralis and liquid 2 top-5 teams as chellengers, so ez change to get shitty group stage, and have smth like g2-optic 1/4 and astralis-mouz\navi\faze\liquid, no groups suck
2018-08-02 19:03
g2 isnt t3. they will be tier 1 at major its a new team just like fnatic give them time and they will be a top 5 team at the end of the year
2018-08-02 19:05
g2 tier-1 AHAHAHHA, ex6, smitzz body tier-1 aAHHAHAHA, cmon groups suck cuz you can ez stuck with 3 best team in the world in 1 group and wont have chance or at least 2 top-3 team, but in swiss if you are top-4 team in the world the is no change that you gonna lose in group stage
2018-08-02 19:09
ok have a good day
2018-08-02 19:15
damn i think it's way to comlicated system for example team A play open match agaist 2nd best team in the world, 2nd best team in 1-0 face agaist the best team and goes 1-1, so team A in 1-1 match-up had 1-3 result, but team A faced 2nd best team in the world, and i think it could ez goes like that up to 2-2, Just make it so team that goes from 1-0 to 1-1 will face agaist team that had 0-1, and team that had 2-1 play agaist team that had 1-2, and bo3 whole groupstage
2018-08-02 01:08
#199
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Hong Kong Ver1tasC 
Great improvement, but I still think that the double-elimination across the tournament like dota's TI is the best format.
2018-08-02 03:03
Nice, Faceit shrekting all other platforms as usual
2018-08-02 04:05
Thank fuck they’re giving the quarters their own 2 days instead of forcing a team to play the quarters and the semis on the same day. SK/MiBR got fucked in Boston from that.
2018-08-02 06:05
+1 if you dont understand:( english is not my first language and I don’t really good at it. If somebody wants to explain to me simply the format
2018-08-02 16:06
#224
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
Let's say you are 2-2 (you won two matches and lost two). 1st team beats you and ends tournament 3-0 (+3 for you as 3 - 0 = 3). The 2nd team loses to you and ends 0-3 (-3 for you as 0 - 3 = -3). The 3rd team beats you and ends 3-1 (+2 for you as 3 - 1 = 2). The 4th team loses to you and is 2-2 (0 for you as 2 - 2 = 0). You add this values and get your current 'buchholz score'. In this example it's 2. The rest od the 2-2 teams also have this score. Let's say that two have 1, two have -1 and one have 2. If you didn't play this team already you will get one of the teams that are -1. In short: if your current score is good you will get teams with worse current 'buchholz score' in round 3 and 4/5 (if you are not qualified already) but they still have to have the same amount of wins and loses - if you are e.g. 1-2 you will get the team that is also 1-2. It is also used for playoffs so the best 3-0 team will get the worst 3-2 team by 'buchholz score'. The second 3-0 team will get the second worst 3-2 team. The best 3-1 team will get the best 3-2 team and the last two teams with 3-1 score will play each other. TL/DR - if you will play very good teams in the 1st and 2nd round you will get easier matches in next round/rounds. If you will play bad teams you will get harder matches in next round/rounds. You still can only get teams with the same score (0-2, 1-2, 2-2, 2-1, 2-0) but this should mean that you can't only beat bad teams and go to playoffs or play only good teams and don't qualify because of that. This also should help create the best playoff bracket. That is the simplest way I could explain this I think...
2018-08-02 19:23
In other word, team with higher buchholz score against the lowest score? Thanks anyway for explaining really appreciate that thank you <3
2018-08-03 01:49
#229
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
Yeah, pretty much that will happen in round 3/4/5. Still for the swiss stage only teams with the same score in matches can play each other - you play teams that won and lost the same amount of matches, but Buchholz helps to make matches in these little 'groups' fair in most cases. No problem - happy to help in something :)
2018-08-03 13:27
Hope you have a wonderful day, thank you
2018-08-05 15:47
wow
2018-08-02 19:11
#225
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United Kingdom Xradas185 
Swiss format is shit anyway I think this proves who's is the best this way not a flakey first game and your out... Shit for all teams
2018-08-02 19:36
#253
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Poland mamba99999 
Swiss is good with BO3 all the way and re-seeding.
2018-08-04 09:48
#302
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United Kingdom Xradas185 
Agree.... Being a VP fan,we need best of threes,they just shows who's got more talent with a warm up match at the start
2018-08-08 19:56
EZ4BUCHHOLZ
2018-08-05 14:54
#279
suNny | 
Vietnam Oida 
pronounce: Boo-ch(pronounce like Spanish J but more throat)-holts.
2018-08-06 02:37
Buchholtsa Buch-Buchholtsa, (im not Rise wtf)
2018-08-06 23:46
#299
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Ukraine 0nF1re 
rise inferno god
2018-08-08 11:24
#298
rain | 
Palestine S1rEz10 
Why the lies its just a butthole but in German accent
2018-08-08 08:58
Rise, thanks
2018-08-09 10:50
#304
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Argentina FranZera 
Thanks <3
2018-08-09 17:40
#310
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Russia ArT1CooL 
xD
2018-08-15 14:26
cool
2018-08-21 18:46
This is getting way too overcomplicated
2018-08-25 10:01
#328
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United States Acehavok 
Still no BO5 final...
2018-08-25 19:27
#331
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Slovakia Legeden 
Looking forward to this one, it feels like forever since the last major, so many teams changed since then. With the new format and BO3 we might get the best of finals yet.
2018-08-30 08:52
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