FACEIT Major 2018FACEIT Major to feature Buchholz system, BO3 fifth Swiss round
FACEIT has announced some changes to the format for the upcoming Major, with the introduction of the Buchholz system as a seeding tool and of best-of-three matches in the 2-2 Swiss round.
Typically used in tiebreak scenarios, the Buchholz scoring system makes it possible to measure how hard a team's route at a tournament has been by summing the scores of their opponents.
The system had been suggested in an HLTV.org feature released in April by Milan "Striker" Švejda titled "Searching for the Perfect Format", which pointed out the flaws in the four-team double elimination groups and in the typical Swiss stage.
The Buchholz system would have prevented the Astralis-SK quarter-final clash in Krakow
FACEIT will be using Buchholz as a seeding tool in rounds 3-5 of the Swiss stage in both the New Challengers and the New Legends stages. It will also be applied in the playoffs, this way preventing a repeat of the infamous Astralis-SK quarter-final clash from PGL Major Krakow (both teams had a higher Buchholz score than North, who in the end got the easier match-up against Virtus.pro). For the first two Swiss rounds, the seeding process will be the same from previous Majors.
An extra day of matches has been added to both Swiss stages to facilitate the introduction of the best-of-three format for the crucial fifth round, which, according to FACEIT co-founder and Chief Business Officer (CBO) Michele Attisani, "will add value to both the competition and the storylines" of the tournament.
“Every decision we’ve made has been carefully considered with the competition, players and fans in mind," the FACEIT chief added. "We discussed formats with CS:GO stakeholders and presented multiple options to Valve to ensure the new format was fully supported across the board
"We are always looking for ways to improve the quality and integrity of the competition, and we did see a number of issues in past format structures. We can’t wait to see the new format in action next month, and to bring fans and players a whole new standard of CS:GO Major."
These are the first changes to a Major's tournament format since ELEAGUE Major Atlanta 2017, which was the first $1 million Valve-sponsored event to feature the Swiss system.
Meanwhile, FACEIT has revealed that both the New Challengers (September 5-9) and the New Legends stages (12-16) will be held at the Twickenham Stadium, in London. The venue, owned by the governing body of rugby union in England, staged the four Minors and will continue to offer an executive chef and 24-hour access to private practice rooms to all the competing teams.
The Major will then culminate with a live event from September 20-23 at the 10,000-seater SSE Arena, in London, which staged the offline finals of the first and the third seasons of FACEIT's Esports Championship Series (ECS). The New Champions stage will span four days, the first two of which will feature the quarter-finals. The semi-finals will be held on the 22nd, while the final day of the event will feature the title decider.
Interesting format!!! Like if you agree! xaxaxaxax
Gratx mate
Gambit was not Underdog lul
For Hltv users yes but for hltv guys they were Mid-Tier yes MID-TIER but no_one expected that thry will win a Major
It was the hardest pick'em challenge ever to got gold
I liked the randomness of majors, too. So many whined about an upset potential even though this makes the competition even more interesting.
and why shouldn't the best win against worse teams? Because they only play one map?
Thank god
who is BUCHHOLZ?
Luled.'
XDDDDDDDDDD
thanks))
But mibr alive.
isnt lol
MiBR needs NA to carry them LUL
it was a joke, buddy.
Mibr just signs rush ska and auti and c9 becomes a full eu team
yes it is
Huh
Nice
VP OMEGALUL
Mouz 13-2 QBF
Mouz 14-16 QBF
+1
How much has QBF done since the major? Nothing. How much will they do this major? Nothing. Flamie set a record in a MAJOR QUARTERFINAL for the most kills in a half during the inferno game, because that’s how amazing and deserving of the spot they were. In fact, they’re so amazing bookmark this when they go out of this Swiss system 0-3 and get utterly shit on by every team they play
+1
how can someone steal something that is their by right?
but this isn't the case, nor the system. They earned their spot on last major.
Majors are meant to be accessible to any team, without benefiting anyone, even the top 8 teams.
I agree with the high probability of upsets that can happen on the actual system, and I think that elimination matches should be played as BO3 instead of BO1, but u cant blame the lower tier team for those upsets. they're fighting for their spot as any other team
Tbh it wasn't a fuck all. They beat on form VP last majors to make their way into this. So basically they had the talent but i agree they wont last with this new system.
amen sir
Who cares if it's interesting or not, all my friend just have their accounts linked to get drops. Besides people are working, I wouldn't have time to watch even if I for some weird reason actually wanted to watch a game
If you really believe that most people watch the major only for the drops why did the major final last map inferno had over a million viewers when the souvenir it was droping had the cheapest price of them all and your logic is flawed cuz if the major becomes more interesting to watch wouldn't that be a weird reason to actually watch games hmm
Do you think people care about the prices? You start every account and just let the streams run throughout the entire major. So the only real viewers are the difference between amount of viewers in group stages and the final.
If a tier1 team loses
A bo1 to a tier2 team in a major the t2 team deserves to prove themselves in playoffs imo
if they are that much better they should win bo1 aswell
Ofc i do, a team that has 5 better players shouldnt lose a bo1 either, specially when they have had time to prepare for a major... (i replied to the first comment you made)
Luck is a part of the game, some
call it timings
>LOL not popular
>having 106.000.000 peak viewers (ok 104 Million of them were Chinese but still.)
Also I personally like long events where you have the story lines building up over the weeks and not just an event with 8 teams over a 3-4 days even if those are the best in the world. Obviously that'S different for everyone tho.
ahahahaaha retard alert
like i already said: retard alert lul
Nice.. maybe?
nice
wtf
Awesome
neato
omfg this is so nice, finally we can see a prestige major not like the last 2
nice
thank mr george bushboltz
"this way preventing a repeat of the infamous Astralis-SK quarter-final clash from PGL Major Krakow."
This isn't a prevention of both teams play shit opponents. The people who like these ranking systems are the same people who only want astralis faze mibr or navi to win every tournament
We need drama not scripted events that help enhance the top 4 teams chances of winning.
top 4 are less likely to eliminate each other in the playoffs until the end. They will play underdogs the entire time and if one of those underdogs win then they will just play another top 4 team the following round
Who's to say who's worse and who's better? By you saying someone's worse you're clearly showing your bias. How cba you even call yourself a CS fan when you don't care about the scene?
Im not determining who's worse and who's better. Buchholz will do that in a fair and logical way.
And how is it biased to say that some teams is worse than others? Do u just think that all teams in existence is equally good? I never mentioned teamnames so how the fuck could that be biased?
Biased clown is so obvious "I want the best to win" what a lame ass approach and clearly biased. Keep insulting me and being a bully but all that projecting will get you no where with real CS fans.
You're probably the type who'd like the majors to be played with 0$ pricemoney. At least thats what u sound like cuz clearly u dont realize that esports is a fulltime job where some people earn actual money that they use to survive and live.
U could keep baiting all u want, but realize this. People like u need help. Your parents were probably drunks or drugaddicts who didn't know how to raise a child. So u used cs as a safehouse and started to be a cunt to everybody, cuz thats all u ever knew. Go seek mental help before its to late. And call the authorities right away.
Or maybe you're just a typical hltv cunt who doesn't have a life outside of hltv and therefor lashes out on those you can.
Whichever you are, make sure u fix it before adult life reaches u cuz this kind of behavior sure as hell won't help u.
ive already reported you for your childish behavior but it seems im going to have to do it this time for further insults you have thrown my way
keep trying to bully me it wont work
now youre attempting to attack me? You lost the "debate" and now since you have no comeback you attempt to just sling mud. You lost take the L and move on, stop being a bully and grow up kid
not thanks to any teams from ukraine of course
You criticized the last guy for childish behaviour, yet you go on to insult teams from my country as your first reply instead of constructing a sentence that is actually related to my response.
Your reply is probably the biggest piece of hypocrisy I have seen in my life.
Again, if you need drama, you could watch some TV series or an actual reality show.
It's called "Competitive Counter-Strike" for a reason, not "Dramatic Counter-Strike".
now youre trying to bully me too??? Shows that simple isnt the only bully in ukraine
now youre insulting me? Seriously get a life
now youre insulting me again? Kid plz
the only people that dont like that arent real CS fans
u are not a real cs fan
u are an incurable romantic which loves when underdogs win, even when it's not deserved at all.
if an underdog is going to win a major let it be because they beat all of the top teams, not because a bad format without reseeding put them in the position to do so-
if they're really good, they're gonna get the higher seed sooner or later
You mean real cs Fans
I thought you wanted asstralis to win?
i dont care your opinion is irrelevant
NTC would win ez
You do R even watch open teams through map you sit there and stroke yourself to 3 teams and can give a shit about the growth of the game. You cheer when players get poached from smaller teams. You are the worst how can you even call yourself a fan of anything you make me sick. And on top of it all you're projecting so tell me champ why is it that you hate yourself
Implying you're a brain dead idiot who doesn't like when CS teams that are too 10 best those team cuz you're petty
They did if you think otherwise it speaks volumes for what kind of an awful fan you are. You're the problem
gg VP
this system is the one that we use when we are playing chess come on xD
This is comparable to the tie-breaker system used in Magic: The Gathering tournaments! Basicly the better your opponents scores, the better your tie-breaker becomes. This way, losing against two teams that went 3-0 and 3-1 increases your tie-breaker a lot, while winning against a team that went 0-3 doesn't increase it much. Can't wait to see the system in action at the major!
Fuck off with this shit ass swiss system
Its a major. Every match should be b03 so the truly better team advances not teams like QBF...
but qbf was better lol
Yeah we saw that after the major...
after a major and on major are different things
great change!
Aint that Stadium a little big? 82.000 thousand seats?!
Definitely a good middle ground when best of threes cannot be played all the way through the swiss stage
Nice, FaceIt doing good job. Might be one of the best majors ever organised.
WTF BUTTHOLE SYSTEM POGGERS!!!!
Nice, now we need a 2M usd prizepool major and a bo5 grand final
WE DID IT BOIS
haha after 5 years :
- still bo1 on major - another undeserved team like QBF/BIG team with legend status
- bo3 in final instead bo5 why the fck ; (
rest seems ok ; Buchholz system atleast something new ; /
Better use bo3 on all elimination matches.
Then we won't have teams eliminated by upsets
the fact that a team can go to playoffs or qualify just for winning three BO1s is equally as big a problem as teams getting eliminated due to losing three BO1s.
seeding is a good step forward though
This SK - Astralis example is idiotic, there was always before a chance to get clash in the Quarter no matter which system was used. And as we have later seen VP won their quarter and in the final there were 2 underdogs who played the best at this very tournament. Who could imagine that BIG would go 3-0 and win against SK in the group stage? Can't solve every "problem" with a system but it is more likely to make everything complicated which will make CS less attractive
NIP will win the major!
Somebody explain me how QBF was "lucky" at the last major? They were throwing dices?
hltv.org/matches/2325384/winstrike-vs-fo..
hltv.org/matches/2325166/fragsters-vs-wi..
hltv.org/matches/2325076/winstrike-vs-qu..
hltv.org/matches/2324982/winstrike-vs-ld..
hltv.org/matches/2324132/winstrike-vs-no..
hltv.org/matches/2323645/sk-vs-winstrike..
hltv.org/matches/2324121/winstrike-vs-ki..
tell me how they werent?
hltv confirmed
NICE!
finally! ty, faceit
AHAHAHAH group LUL, and then you ez get group with astralis, navi and mouz in same group, or even worse navi, astralis mouz and liuqid in same group, so good that this decision is not up to u
explain to you, navi semis - 1st seed, mouz 1/4 = 2nd seed, astralis to win qual 3-0 = 3rd seed, liquid could get 4th seed if they lose at least 1 game(to astralis for exmaple) so you might get 4 best team in the world in 1 group nice one
but the best should fight in playoffs not in group, we could ez get 1 group, astralis navi liquid mouz, 2nd faze, fnatic north and big\tyloo
and 3rd and 4th with only tier-3 teams, mibr, c9 winstrike, g2 +4 chellengers, and in 1 brecket we have navi, astralis, mouz faze/liquid, in other side mibr, c9, g2 and winstrike, nice one
p.s. just stupid polak that think that group is better, without good seeding groups suck
no actually having four groups with 2 legend teams and 2 challenger teams and having first 2 games as bo1 and the rest as bo3 with double elimination is the best system imo
the four best teams in the world ending in the same group isnt likely because there are 16 teams....
it will also guarantee that the 2 best teams in the group make it out
1 out of the four groups might be unbalanced but it would ensure balance in majority of the groups
but it possble, cuz astralis and liquid are challengers, or other group to have c9 and winstrike as a legends in group
like i said ,saying that "what if the top 4 teams out of 16 end up in the same group" is pretty damn dumb
or atleast 3 teams top-5 team in 1 group is possible, and 1 group - tier-3 squad with g2, c9 + 2 challengers, groups suck
yes but there is only a slight chance of 1 group being slightly tough and 1 slihtly easy (qbf legends...), but even from those groups 2 top teams will make it out and in the worst case 1 team from top 8 is left out but the majority of them will qualify
qbf c9 and g2 - 3 tier-3 legends, mibr 1 tier-2 legend, astralis and liquid 2 top-5 teams as chellengers, so ez change to get shitty group stage, and have smth like g2-optic 1/4 and astralis-mouz\navi\faze\liquid, no groups suck
g2 isnt t3. they will be tier 1 at major its a new team just like fnatic give them time and they will be a top 5 team at the end of the year
g2 tier-1 AHAHAHHA, ex6, smitzz body tier-1 aAHHAHAHA, cmon groups suck cuz you can ez stuck with 3 best team in the world in 1 group and wont have chance or at least 2 top-3 team, but in swiss if you are top-4 team in the world the is no change that you gonna lose in group stage
ok have a good day
damn i think it's way to comlicated system for example team A play open match agaist 2nd best team in the world, 2nd best team in 1-0 face agaist the best team and goes 1-1, so team A in 1-1 match-up had 1-3 result, but team A faced 2nd best team in the world, and i think it could ez goes like that up to 2-2,
Just make it so team that goes from 1-0 to 1-1 will face agaist team that had 0-1, and team that had 2-1 play agaist team that had 1-2, and bo3 whole groupstage
Thank fuck they’re giving the quarters their own 2 days instead of forcing a team to play the quarters and the semis on the same day. SK/MiBR got fucked in Boston from that.
Let's say you are 2-2 (you won two matches and lost two). 1st team beats you and ends tournament 3-0 (+3 for you as 3 - 0 = 3). The 2nd team loses to you and ends 0-3 (-3 for you as 0 - 3 = -3). The 3rd team beats you and ends 3-1 (+2 for you as 3 - 1 = 2). The 4th team loses to you and is 2-2 (0 for you as 2 - 2 = 0).
You add this values and get your current 'buchholz score'. In this example it's 2. The rest od the 2-2 teams also have this score. Let's say that two have 1, two have -1 and one have 2. If you didn't play this team already you will get one of the teams that are -1. In short: if your current score is good you will get teams with worse current 'buchholz score' in round 3 and 4/5 (if you are not qualified already) but they still have to have the same amount of wins and loses - if you are e.g. 1-2 you will get the team that is also 1-2.
It is also used for playoffs so the best 3-0 team will get the worst 3-2 team by 'buchholz score'. The second 3-0 team will get the second worst 3-2 team. The best 3-1 team will get the best 3-2 team and the last two teams with 3-1 score will play each other.
TL/DR - if you will play very good teams in the 1st and 2nd round you will get easier matches in next round/rounds. If you will play bad teams you will get harder matches in next round/rounds. You still can only get teams with the same score (0-2, 1-2, 2-2, 2-1, 2-0) but this should mean that you can't only beat bad teams and go to playoffs or play only good teams and don't qualify because of that. This also should help create the best playoff bracket. That is the simplest way I could explain this I think...
Yeah, pretty much that will happen in round 3/4/5.
Still for the swiss stage only teams with the same score in matches can play each other - you play teams that won and lost the same amount of matches, but Buchholz helps to make matches in these little 'groups' fair in most cases.
No problem - happy to help in something :)
wow
Swiss is good with BO3 all the way and re-seeding.
EZ4BUCHHOLZ
Buchholtsa
Buch-Buchholtsa,
(im not Rise wtf)
Rise, thanks
cool
