Winners and losers of the FACEIT Major

MIRAA
September 25th, 2018 02:00

With the FACEIT Major now behind us, we take a look back and reflect on the teams who caught the eye and the ones who were not nearly as successful.

There was no shortage of surprises throughout the three weeks of the event, starting with the New Challengers Stage, where North could not build on their DreamHack Masters success and fell flat, while Europe Minor champions NiP cruised to a perfect 3-0 record, with Astralis being their final victim.

The New Legends Stage saw five teams who had placed top eight in Boston eliminated, including defending champions Cloud9. compLexity strolled to a 3-0 run, while highly-rated duo FaZe and MIBR had to work hard to avoid elimination.

The second Major of 2018 came to an end on Sunday

The earlier stages had seen plenty of overtimes and nail-biting matches, but the playoffs were rather straightforward, with only one out of seven matches going to a third map. In the end, Astralis secured the title following a comprehensive 2-0 victory over Natus Vincere, and Nicolai "device" Reedtz picked up the MVP medal - his third so far this year - after inspiring the team to a memorable campaign with a 1.26 rating over the New Legends and the Champions stages.

Winners - By Lars "Yossarian" Esmarch

Astralis

This isn't even their final form.

As if comfortably winning a Major - and 2-0'ing the world's #2, #3 and #4 along the way - isn't scary enough, consider this: Astralis didn't have to dig very much into their preparations for the event to win it in convincing fashion. According to the Major's HLTV and Betway MVP, device, the undisputed No.1-ranked Danes can 'do even more, which is scary', a sentiment that was echoed by the analyst desk after the team's walk-over final against Natus Vincere.

It's well known at this point that Lukas "gla1ve" Rossander's men spend hours, days and weeks to perfect their craft, and that they approach being the best team in Counter-Strike as a job, meaning they show up every day, practice in controlled fashion and ensure that no individual comes before the unit. This leads to an overabundance of strategies and ways of approaching matchups that no other team in CS currently has, and also begs the question of how good this team can actually become. If they're not depleting their resources to win the biggest event of them all, where should we actually place their ceiling?

Just another day on the job? Astralis' work mentality has put them at the very top

While Astralis' playoff run was perfect, as the team didn't drop a single map in the knockout stages of the Major, they did not leave the Swiss stages unscathed. But it took an excruciating quadruple-overtime performance from NiP as well as a nail-biting Inferno game from Liquid for the Danes to fall, and they even came from a 2-13 deficit to force overtime against the North Americans.

The first player to hoist the trophy in London was the newest addition to the team, Emil "Magisk" Reif. As the only member without a Major title at that point, the team in true unified fashion let the rifling talent be the first to put his hands on the prize. The addition of Magisk and his seamless assimilation into the team by gla1ve and coach Danny "zonic" Sørensen are a major part of Astralis' recent success, a fact that his impressive 1.25 rating from the last two stages of tournament proves.

As the discussion about whether we are living the 'Astralis Era' rages, one thing remains true: we haven't seen a team work this hand and so convincingly reap what they sow in a long time in the history of CS:GO.

Natus Vincere

Despite faltering in the grand final, Natus Vincere looked frightening to play against. Their double-punch duo Denis "electronic" Sharipov and Aleksandr "s1mple" Kostyliev were the highest-rated players of the entire tournament at 1.36 and 1.34, respectively, with the pair stepping up in every game to garner a positive rating on all maps outside of the grand final against Astralis. Only the Danish champions were able to shut down the dynamic duo and put their numbers in the red, which is a testament to their strength, with Natus Vincere having beaten high-profile teams such as MIBR and FaZe en route to the final. The Ukranian side definitely could have performed better in the ultimate match, but their aggressive, 'organised chaos' style of play was shut down by the composed Danes, with s1mple unable to exploit the disarrayed feeling usually caused by Danylo "Zeus" Teslenko's unpredictable calling.

Na`Vi looked scary in London despite falling short in the grand final

Reaching the final of a Major in convincing fashion was just what Natus Vincere needed, as the team had looked lost at DreamHack Stockholm a few weeks earlier. Confusion had arisen about Egor "flamie" Vasilyev's attendance, and the squad lost to Ghost in their opening match and had to fight hard to beat NRG and take revenge against Joshua "steel" Nissan's men to reach the quarter-final, where they lost to eventual champions, North.

The squad that got to the final in London looks more like the Natus Vincere we had come to know and that had won StarSeries i-League Season 5 and ESL One Cologne. As the team builds an even better game plan around electronic and especially s1mple, it's clear from their performance at the Major that it will be extremely hard to knock them off their #2 placement in the ranking as they have shown that they can beat most of the top 10 teams in convincing fashion. Zeus' men will do battle against several of them in the near future, as they're headed to the Big Apple to play ESL One New York and after that have EPICENTER 2018 and IEM Chicago in their schedule.

Liquid

This Major was supposed to be theirs. And it likely would have been, if not for the fact that Nick "nitr0" Cannella's men are peaking at the same time as a better-prepared and seemingly more unified Astralis squad, who have become the bane of their existence in recent times, with the Danes leading 16-3 in the games between the pair in the last six months. From the onset of the London event, Liquid had been touted as the team to lift the trophy, which also prompted HLTV.org's Milan "Striker" to take a detailed look at the side's chances to go all the way in London. The conclusion of the analysis was that, apart from Liquid's disadvantage in the head-to-head Astralis matchup, the team simply lacked the experience and the mental strength to pull through when it really counted, as they had often faltered in deciding matches and had only ever won cs_summit 2 when it came to LAN events.

Twistzz managed a 1.19 rating at the FACEIT Major

In spite of HLTV.org's prediction about the North Americans' Major run coming true, their performance in London is not to be depreciated. Astralis were the only team to beat Liquid, and only the highly-skilled talents in HellRaisers allowed the European team to take a map from nitr0's side before the semi-final against the dominating Danes. The team's big stars showed up and even went above and beyond recent performances, with Russel "Twistzz" Van Dulken, Jonathan "EliGE" Jablonowski and Keith "NAF" Markovic all managing ratings above 1.15 from the New Legends stage onwards. NAF especially shone at the event, as he managed a 1.24 rating, his best since joining Liquid, not counting the ECS Season 5 Finals, where the 20-year old Canadian superstar reached a 1.30 rating but was eliminated in the grand final by - you guessed it - Astralis.

Liquid had taken time off to prepare for the FACEIT Major, skipping the ZOTAC Cup Masters and DreamHack Masters Stockholm to be able to perfect their craft going into the most important tournament of the season. Considering the team's dominance up until the semis, it would make sense for them to continue skipping some events, something that Astralis and their Major final opponents Natus Vincere have done in the past with great results. It's also important to note that Liquid are also a very young team, averaging 21 years of age, so we definitely haven't yet seen what they are truly capable of, as they will look to capitalise on their impressive Major run and maybe eventually find a way to reach their ultimate goal: winning a deciding match against Astralis at a big LAN event.

compLexity

"We have all the pieces to really do some damage."

Such were the words from compLexity's in-game leader Peter "stanislaw" Jarguz when HLTV.org talked to him the day before the onset of the New Challengers Stage of the Major. The Canadian captain was full of confidence going into the tournament, but there weren't many voices in the community or on the analyst desk echoing the sentiment that the team could actually go far in London. Nonetheless, the squad surprised everyone by qualifying for the New Legends Stage after only losing their opener against Astralis, and later became one of the two teams to go 3-0 in the New Legends stage after beating three big names, fnatic, G2 and BIG, teams who we were all well above them in the rankings before the Major.

Reaching the playoffs of the Major is the best placement compLexity have ever managed, and the experience brought by stanislaw and AWPer Shahzeb "ShahZaM" Khan, mixed with the young talents Jaccob "yay" Whiteaker and Bradley "ANDROID" Fodor, proved a powerful combination that rattled their opponents, perhaps because the North Americans had not played much against top teams on LAN and thus were hard to read, as MIBR's star rifler Marcelo "coldzera" David pointed out in our interview with him before the two teams met up in the first quarter-final. This might also explain why their matches, even in the New Legends Stage, often ended up on Inferno, a map they had clearly practised heavily and on which they managed a 4-2 score throughout the tournament (including a rather close loss against MIBR.)

compLexity were the surprise package of the Major

The buck stopped there for the North American squad, as the Brazilian team would also take Train to eliminate them from the playoffs. One could argue that the nature of best-of-ones favours upsets and lets teams like compLexity get away without giving 'bigger' sides a chance to prove themselves like a best-of-three would. stanislaw and co. have definitely shown that they can indeed 'do damage', but they will need to go back to the drawing board if they want to do well at the upcoming events in their schedule, as the team will travel to New York for the MSI MGA Finals before flying to Kiev to play at Starseries i-League Season 6.

NiP

To name a team as "winners" of a tournament when they didn't even make the playoffs might be a stretch, but considering that NiP had not played the last three Majors and had probably the roughest drafts throughout the Challenger and Legend stages, they're worth a mention here. Jonas "Lekr0" Olofsson's men came all the way from the Minor after finding themselves outside of the Major circuits for two years, as NiP had not played on the biggest stage since ESL One Cologne 2016.

The Ninjas beat Virtus.pro and TYLOO before squaring off against the later champions Astralis in a behemoth of a Mirage match that went to four overtimes, where the Swedes finally pulled out the victory and became the only team apart from Liquid to take a map from the Danes in London. NiP then took down the world's #5, mousesports, and had to face challenging teams such as Liquid, Natus Vincere and MIBR to get to the playoffs, three teams that would later go to the semi-finals alongside Astralis, ultimately leading to the elimination of the Swedes.

in spite of missing out on the playoffs, GeT_RiGhT and his Ninjas shone intermittently at the Major

Coming all the way from the Minor and going toe-to-toe with the aforementioned top teams is something Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund and co. can be proud of as they now seem to have fought themselves out of their recent slump, as the team had gone out in the group stages of ESL Pro League Season 7 Finals, StarSeries i-League Season 5 and ESL One Cologne. While NiP still have some work to do to call themselves a top team again, their run at the Major will most likely boost their self confidence and help them play 'more freely', as Fredrik "REZ" Sterner put it in our interview with him after the squad had secured Legend status.

Other mentions:

Vega Squadron: The Russian team impressed once again with their unconventional play style and caught many teams off-guard. Even if, in the end, it was not enough for them to progress to the playoffs, they were still an entertaining team to watch, as always.

BIG: After a disappointing performance in Boston, the German side regained Legend status with some quality Counter-Strike, though Owen "smooya" Butterfield did not get the stage match that he wanted as his team got dismantled by Na`Vi in the quarter-finals.

Losers - By Luís "MIRAA" Mira

mousesports

It has all gone downhill for mousesports, whose Major run must be deemed a massive failure as they bowed out of the New Legends Stage without a single victory after losing to NiP, MIBR and FaZe.

mouz drew the short straw every round, having been paired with two teams that would go on to reach the playoffs (one of them even going as far as the semi-finals) and one that was without a doubt the strongest of the trio that ended up in the 2-3 lot. But those were all teams standing below them in the ranking heading into the event, and Chris "chrisJ" de Jong's looked well off the pace in every match, only once managing to hit double digits. To make matters worse, two of their losses came on Mirage, where they have won just four of the last 11 LAN encounters, even though it used to be a strong pick for them.

The Major was a horror show for mouz

The StarSeries Season 4 champions had already shown some frailties in Atlanta and Stockholm, but it was hard to expect such issues to be exposed like this at the Major. After finishing top eight in Boston at the start of the year, mouz are out of the Major circuit and will now have to qualify via the Minors following Valve's recent changes to the slot allocation - a huge setback for a team that has spent most of the year in the top five in the ranking and that at one point was sitting in second place.

mousesports have reached the final at just one of their last nine Big Events, and it happened in Belo Horizonte, where they were fielding a stand-in. The recent change from Martin "STYKO" Styk to Janusz "Snax" Pogorzelski has done little in the way of steering the team back on course, and questions remain about whether the Polish star is the right fit for the team, especially after he recorded in London the worst LAN tournament rating of his career (0.69). Now is not a time for reflection, however, as mousesports are set to appear at ESL One New York, later this week - where they will need to show improved communication if they are to keep this roster for the final quarter of the year.

fnatic

After 12 consecutive playoff appearances in Major playoffs, three of which resulted in titles, fnatic were made to watch from the sidelines as the eight best teams in London duked it out at the SSE Arena. The Swedish side had looked shaky prior to the event, but only a few expected them to bomb out of the tournament prior to the Champions Stage, given their impeccable track record at events of this calibre.

fnatic were dismantled by compLexity in their opening match after going for a risky Inferno pick - a sign that all was not well. They managed to bounce back with victories over CIS duo Winstrike and Vega Squadron, but were ultimately denied a place in the playoffs by Natus Vincere and HellRaisers.

fnatic were left frustrated by their London results

The Swedish team looked uninspired and devoid of ideas, a far cry from the side who had won IEM Katowice earlier in the year. So it was with no surprise that they were one of the first victims of the post-Major shuffle, with Robin "flusha" Rönnquist being benched after recording the second-worst tournament rating of his career at a Big Event.

Since bringing Richard "Xizt" Landström in, fnatic have only once reached the playoffs of a LAN tournament. They are now languishing in 14th place in the ranking, almost 300 points away from the top five, and it may take a while for them to get back on their feet and start challenging for titles once again.

North

North were one of the biggest disappointments of the Major as they had travelled to London with confidence running high after winning DreamHack Masters Stockholm, only to crash out in the New Challengers Stage after losing to HellRaisers and to CIS duo Spirit and Vega Squadron.

It is the second time North have flunked at a Major, after previously going out of ELEAGUE Major Boston in the New Legends Stage with a 0-3 record. And just like eight months ago, the poor results seem to be triggering massive changes in the team.

North's fortunes turned in just a week

In Stockholm and in London, North showed their tendency to blow hot and cold. With StarSeries i-League Season 6 right around the corner, they will have very little time to fix their issues and develop a new style before the Ukrainian event kicks off.

FaZe

FaZe are the only team who made the playoffs and still feature on the losers' side of things, mainly because of the team's stature and ranking place - which in the end they could not back up with results as they placed 5th-8th, eight months after nearly hoisting the trophy in Boston.

After a dismal start to their London trip, with a 5-16 thrashing against BIG, FaZe were thrown into the lion's den as they were paired with Natus Vincere - a match they ended up losing after enjoying a 10-5 half-time lead. With no margin for error, they dug deep and still made the playoffs after Nikola "NiKo" Kovač took up the in-game leadership duties, but the damage was done: a quarter-final encounter with Astralis proved to be end of their London adventure.

FaZe could not repeat their final appearance from Boston

It is easy to forget that FaZe were the team that fared the best against Astralis in the knockout stages. Finn "karrigan" Andersen's side took 26 rounds against the eventual champions (11 more than both Liquid and Natus Vincere) and forced the Danes to play all 30 rounds on Mirage. No one can take that away from FaZe, but it is impossible for the players and the supporters to be happy with just a top-eight finish. It is now three Big Events in a row where they have not even reached the semi-finals, and it will not be long before fans start calling for changes.

Other mentions:

Virtus.pro: With Paweł "byali" Bieliński having one foot out of the door before the event, it was hard to envisage a different run for the Polish team. Three defeats from as many matches will force Virtus.pro to go to the Minor if they want to compete at a Major again - just another painful chapter in what has been a disastrous year.

Winstrike: Unlike Vega Squadron, who gave a good account of themselves and at one point seemed like they could reach the playoffs, the former Quantum Bellator Fire team looked thoroughly out of their depth, giving credence to critics of the Legends system in place at Majors.

Brazil Marcelo 'coldzera' David
Marcelo 'coldzera' David
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.20
Maps played:
947
KPR:
0.80
DPR:
0.60
APR:
0.12
United States Shahzeb 'ShahZaM' Khan
Shahzeb 'ShahZaM' Khan
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
841
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.10
United Kingdom Owen 'smooya' Butterfield
Owen 'smooya' Butterfield
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.16
Maps played:
316
KPR:
0.79
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.11
United States Nick 'nitr0' Cannella
Nick 'nitr0' Cannella
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
1013
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.15
Poland Paweł 'byali' Bieliński
Paweł 'byali' Bieliński
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
1381
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.15
Denmark Danny 'zonic' Sørensen
Danny 'zonic' Sørensen
Age:
32
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.75
Maps played:
20
KPR:
0.49
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.11
Canada Russel 'Twistzz' Van Dulken
Russel 'Twistzz' Van Dulken
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.14
Maps played:
733
KPR:
0.76
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.12
Bosnia and Herzegovina Nikola 'NiKo' Kovač
Nikola 'NiKo' Kovač
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.17
Maps played:
986
KPR:
0.81
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.14
United States Jonathan 'EliGE' Jablonowski
Jonathan 'EliGE' Jablonowski
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
986
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.16
Sweden Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund
Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.12
Maps played:
1482
KPR:
0.76
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.15
Denmark Nicolai 'device' Reedtz
Nicolai 'device' Reedtz
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.17
Maps played:
1264
KPR:
0.79
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.13
Netherlands Chris 'chrisJ' de Jong
Chris 'chrisJ' de Jong
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
1318
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.11
Russia Egor 'flamie' Vasilyev
Egor 'flamie' Vasilyev
Age:
21
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
1114
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.14
Denmark Finn 'karrigan' Andersen
Finn 'karrigan' Andersen
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.94
Maps played:
1373
KPR:
0.64
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.13
Sweden Jonas 'Lekr0' Olofsson
Jonas 'Lekr0' Olofsson
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
693
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.14
Canada Peter 'stanislaw' Jarguz
Peter 'stanislaw' Jarguz
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.99
Maps played:
829
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.15
Sweden Fredrik 'REZ' Sterner
Fredrik 'REZ' Sterner
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
717
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.14
Ukraine Aleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev
Aleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev
Age:
21
Rating 1.0:
1.23
Maps played:
933
KPR:
0.85
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.11
United States Jaccob 'yay' Whiteaker
Jaccob 'yay' Whiteaker
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
469
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.71
APR:
0.13
Canada Keith 'NAF' Markovic
Keith 'NAF' Markovic
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
948
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.16
Denmark Emil 'Magisk' Reif
Emil 'Magisk' Reif
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.11
Maps played:
842
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.14
Canada Bradley 'ANDROID' Fodor
Bradley 'ANDROID' Fodor
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
663
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.13
Canada Joshua 'steel' Nissan
Joshua 'steel' Nissan
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
335
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.16
Russia Denis 'electronic' Sharipov
Denis 'electronic' Sharipov
Age:
20
Rating 1.0:
1.11
Maps played:
682
KPR:
0.77
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.14
Ukraine Danylo 'Zeus' Teslenko
Danylo 'Zeus' Teslenko
Age:
31
Rating 1.0:
0.92
Maps played:
1300
KPR:
0.64
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.17
Sweden Robin 'flusha' Rönnquist
Robin 'flusha' Rönnquist
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
1420
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.18
Sweden Richard 'Xizt' Landström
Richard 'Xizt' Landström
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.01
Maps played:
1428
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.17
Denmark Lukas 'gla1ve' Rossander
Lukas 'gla1ve' Rossander
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.01
Maps played:
1107
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.17
Slovakia Martin 'STYKO' Styk
Martin 'STYKO' Styk
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.98
Maps played:
922
KPR:
0.66
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.14
Poland Janusz 'Snax' Pogorzelski
Janusz 'Snax' Pogorzelski
Age:
25
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
1371
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.14
VP
2018-09-25 02:02
#128
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Poland bot_taz 
VP PepeHands BibleThump R.I.P.
2018-09-25 12:21
VP PepeHands BibleThump R.I.P.
2018-09-25 13:13
#6
Xyp9x | 
Czech Republic not_puget 
Fluke
2018-09-25 02:02
after watching all the playoff series i consider myself a loser
2018-09-25 02:02
+1 my man u r not alone
2018-09-25 03:21
#40
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United States TylerLib 
I think I can relate to this more than anything I've ever read on this site.
2018-09-25 03:23
#56
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Israel raaVz 
+1
2018-09-25 05:09
#93
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World zebra_man3 
+111
2018-09-25 08:35
+1
2018-09-25 08:56
+1 Winner: Astralis Loser: everyone who watched these playoffs
2018-09-25 09:20
#147
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Paraguay HighAlching 
winner astralis and all smart peoples(astralis fans)
2018-09-25 14:34
#193
Zeus | 
Russia Klugervl 
Only if they had drop Nuke suvenir case ;)
2018-09-26 15:43
#143
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Malaysia byaIi 
+1
2018-09-25 13:49
#8
Argentina shiNs 
MSL LUL
2018-09-25 02:02
#9
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Denmark danishwarrior 
we outchea
2018-09-25 02:02
Mouz biggest loser omegalul
2018-09-25 02:03
#28
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United States sh0ckwavemodz 
Gambit tho... +1 tho
2018-09-25 02:35
#13
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France StickyRice 
FaZe can't be in "losers" in my opinion. Came back from 0-2 to 3-2 convincingly, put a great fight vs Astralis. G2 should be in losers.
2018-09-25 02:05
This article means absolutely nothing tbh.
2018-09-25 03:17
This. It's just an opinion in a sea of opinions. (._.')
2018-09-25 18:00
+1
2018-09-25 06:45
True, I agree with the rest though
2018-09-25 08:07
+1
2018-09-25 16:29
Nice article, but no offense - you can tell it was written by a Danish guy. The author still finds ways to hype up Astralis in the NaVi and Liquid sections. It was well written overall tho, and well, Astralis are definitely the best so maybe I am being bitter and he should be allowed to gloat a little.
2018-09-25 02:06
Godlike flair
2018-09-25 06:30
The beast!
2018-09-25 13:09
#85
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Norway The_Eyebro 
The writer is from portugal
2018-09-25 08:05
Yossarian is danish
2018-09-25 09:08
#118
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Norway The_Eyebro 
It says "MIRAA" and a link to his twitter?
2018-09-25 11:32
yeah although it was posted by the portuguese guy, the winners part was written by someone else as mentioned: "Winners - By Lars "Yossarian" Esmarch"
2018-09-25 11:49
#131
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Norway The_Eyebro 
Oh I see
2018-09-25 12:51
#17
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North America Jxmes 
TyLoo should be a winner. Didn't even expect them to make it as far as they did.
2018-09-25 02:09
#19
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Germany h0pe. 
I really don't think FaZe deserves to be a "Loser". Sure, they got surprised by BIG in the opening match, but after that their only losses were close games against the top 2 teams in the world & in the tournament. To come back from a 0-2 start in group stage takes some real strength & you can see that olof is slowly finding his way back into the team. They surely would've made it further in playoffs if they hadn't had to play Astralis in quarters. This roster still has all it takes to become a top 3 team & I'm looking forward to their appearance in New York where they are - in my opinion - one of the favourites to win the tournament.
2018-09-25 02:10
Faze losers? They could easily be third best team in the tournament. Losing to Astralis isnt bad or shamefull result. They even fought better than Navi vs them and who knows who would win bo3 between Faze and Navi.. You say Faze ended in play off now just 8 months after being in final in Boston, but what about winners in Boston..
2018-09-25 02:17
#26
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Paraguay HighAlching 
they are losers because they only reached quarterfinals
2018-09-25 02:29
Lmao they couldnt Reach more sińce Astralis looks so strong Faze was the only team that could have beat Astralis in entire event
2018-09-25 12:13
#160
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Austria swehy 
+1 it faze could have easier quarters and semis and maybe they would be in the final
2018-09-25 21:13
Astralis era incoming
2018-09-25 02:25
Congratz for the Winners: Astralis NaVi Liquid coL Vega Squadron NIP Sad for the losers though..... :) gg
2018-09-25 02:26
#27
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United States sh0ckwavemodz 
Rip Gambit :(
2018-09-25 02:34
mouz somewhere #1 at least
2018-09-25 02:36
So I guess iyo, mibr is neiter a loser or a winner? kinda dissapointed, cause this is like the most interesting team to discuss about and you provided nothing. Could you tell me what you think at least?
2018-09-25 02:40
MiBR needs time, if they improve more with this line and coach they will be a good team
2018-09-25 02:48
I know. My issue is with mibr not being mentioned in the article, despite most likely being the most crowd attracting team. It just doesn't make any sense at all
2018-09-25 04:49
#61
Xyp9x | 
Denmark greenhz 
yeah mibr needs time, maybe 5-6 years later because they are always tired right
2018-09-25 05:53
Yeah they are saving energy to win yet another title in Copenhagen against asstralis
2018-09-25 17:37
#158
Xyp9x | 
Denmark greenhz 
sure 5-6 years later on copenhagen , they sure tired on every tournaments BAHAHA, 16-0 is a great score on major
2018-09-25 17:43
They had made HISTORY MIBR in the major, so they did somthing 😂
2018-09-25 08:26
+1
2018-09-25 04:58
mibr ranked #4 and faze #5 are you serious? when was the last time, MIBR actually won a game, no, a MAP against the Astralis, Navi, Liquid or Faze? points system my ass. get real.
2018-09-25 02:53
#50
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Brazil dox__ 
MiBR won against Liquid this year already, but they were under SK at that time, and won a map from NaVi (inferno), where Coldzera did some clutches against s1mple and electronic. They did not had the chance to play against FaZe after tarik joined, but I think they're equal.
2018-09-25 04:36
XDD fangay
2018-09-25 12:14
#34
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Europe themissionary 
astralis winner wow never saw that coming
2018-09-25 02:54
what about g2? forgot about them? lmao
2018-09-25 03:19
did slightly worse than expected so loser but not deserving of a "loser" spot
2018-09-25 06:31
#79
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Denmark Xipingu 
Overperformed, you mean. BOTzz and ExLUL can only frag on Dust II.
2018-09-25 07:30
They dont even worth mentioning.
2018-09-25 07:44
Why not cloud9? They were the reigning champions and went out 1-3 in groups.
2018-09-25 03:50
#117
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United Kingdom Gave2Haze 
+1 most obvious loser
2018-09-25 11:21
#44
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Europe Spoonman20 
This Major confirmed that Astralis will always destroy Liquid in bo3, I don't know how you can consider the NA boys to be winners.
2018-09-25 03:53
#65
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Canada Surzz 
with that logic, navi shouldn't be winners either smart one.
2018-09-25 06:09
#46
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Brazil Collee 
I don't think FaZe were losers. They did really well against Astralis, much better than Na'Vi. They just didn't have enough time with this lineup because of olof's fake comebacks. I feel like they're the only threat to Astralis in a near future. Na'Vi would need more fragging power from Zeus and Edward to be a threat And I'd say mibr were losers. Again they looked like they can only beat tier 2+ teams in best of 3s. It should be pretty clear by now that this lineup won't work and they should go back to portuguese. Got lucky they faced complexity in the quarter finals
2018-09-25 04:05
NiP Tier 2+? D:
2018-09-25 06:57
#123
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Brazil Collee 
Probably. Idk just feel like this lineup won't work, just like mibr, but for different reasons. But I'd say NiP are on a better spot right now. Mibr are having serious teamplay problems because of this change of language, and they were already having these problems with 5 brazilians and speaking portuguese, so it only got worse
2018-09-25 11:52
Yeah, I'd personally say NiP are going to do great. They've been together shorter time than any lineup besides 1 by a single map and they already have more Top 3 LAN placings than they've had in 4 lineups. They showed they can toe to toe with the best even if they need some work to really smooth out the kinks, and overall I think they'll be on an upward trend... idk tho .3.
2018-09-25 13:12
#156
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Brazil davidzor 
lol NiP tier 2. Nt. NiP is a legit top 10 team and can be competitive against everyone from 1-5 at the currently rank. As for MiBR they have shown improvements. Overpass against NaVi was a 16-10 game they losing both pistols. Dust 2 was a messed up veto.
2018-09-25 17:32
#184
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Brazil Collee 
Need to see more from this NiP, too early to tell. Na'Vi relaxed in the end, could easily have been 16-6 or 16-7. Them losing all pistols is just one more thing to worry about, and it's also consequence of bad teamplay
2018-09-26 02:31
#185
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Brazil davidzor 
Not really, just that NaVi is good with pistols. Against Astralis they won 3 out 4.
2018-09-26 02:36
#186
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Brazil Collee 
Both are on another level if compared to mibr. Astralis also rekt mibr in the 2 pistols they had on dust2. So mibr lost 4 to Na'Vi and 2 to Astralis. Couldn't win a single one out of 6. They suck in pistols AND in gun rounds
2018-09-26 04:42
#187
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Brazil davidzor 
Well you completely changed the subject. I was talking that it was a 16x10 because they lost both pistols. Then you said that losing pistols is one more thing to worry about MiBR. But when I said that NaVi also won the pistols against Astralis you are saying something completed out of the subject. The point on my comment was never say that they are at Astralis and NaVi level atm, but that they have improved through. They won a pistol against Mouz and TyLoo.
2018-09-26 04:56
#107
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Indonesia linekerrr 
Not rly though. You only face what's in front of you. Mibr didnt beat teams above them in ranking bcs they only faced no 1 and no 2 in the rankings.
2018-09-25 09:50
#121
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Brazil Collee 
It's not about beating. It's expected that they'll lose, but they never even get close to win one map. They get totally rekt by tier 1 teams, and they easily won like 3 tier 2 tournaments this year. They clearly can best most of the teams in the scene, but they only get worse against the top 4 teams(from Astralis to FaZe). It's been months since Stewie2k and I don't see any improvement
2018-09-25 11:48
#154
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Brazil VAC0 
The only explanation is that I'm watching other games. The improvement was clear. Stewie and fallen have improved teamwork (remembering inferno matches). tarik in a short time already presented a good team work with fer and coldzera (new tacold). They became more patient preferring team plays. fer and fallen showed great individual improvement although fer is still irregular. They seem to be happy playing what only facilitates future progress.
2018-09-25 17:07
#113
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Romania hiei59 
Was not expecting that. Nice point of view.
2018-09-25 11:00
#152
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Europe @Wonky 
I think they need more time to prove themselves. Tarik just joined the team 1/2 months ago and ynk as well. They are doing a great a job but they need to work harder in order to be a top 3 team again. Since Ynk joined they look better and it seems like Fallen, stewie and Tarik are going back to their form. In general they just need a little bit of more time to prove they’re a top team but I see your point of view
2018-09-25 16:31
#153
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Brazil VAC0 
Superficial analysis of mibr. Easy to say that the team will not work analyzing the results. In the games I saw that they were able to win against NAVI but they made several mistakes in most important rounds (which can be fixed). tarik and ynk are still new to the team. In many moments you could see that the calls worked very well in English. It is a mistake to think that the team will improve if they speak Portuguese again. (before Stewie2k join they were already in bad phase).
2018-09-25 16:57
#183
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Brazil Collee 
Superficial? LOL they've been the same shit the whole year, and I've been saying the same thing about them the whole year: they don't look like a team. I'm analyzing them round by round, not just the results. And I've been through a lot of questions through the year. But basically they were already having teamplay problems with TACO and boltz, so they decided to get 2 players who are not even on the same level and change to a language they never played as a team. And it's not like they grew up with english, we all know that in South America you either use portuguese or spanish in games. The education isn't the same as a country like Sweden, and people there are actually forced to use english when playing pugs since they can't understand each other if they speak their own languages. If you understand how a team works, you know they're totally off synchronization and they don't do basic stuff a team should. Check the dust2 game against Na'Vi. There was a CT eco Na'Vi won with only a flashbang on cat. They all picked together against 4 or 5 mibr players with rifles and easily won, because mibr were picking 1 by 1 against 4 pistols. There was a long push mibr were making as T, with 40 seconds left. They had a lot of nades, including 2 molotovs, and s1mple was on car. Still it took them 30 seconds just to move him away from that position and push, and they got to the bombsite with 4 seconds left. There's just too many examples of this, you only need to watch their games
2018-09-26 02:25
#188
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Brazil davidzor 
"They're totally off synchronization and they don't do basic stuff a team should." Yet they had the best flash assist from the whole tournment and the second opening duel kill hltv.org/stats/teams/ftu?event=3564
2018-09-26 05:05
#191
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Brazil Collee 
Yeah right,. Except when they face tier 1 teams, because not even kills they get. If you really watched the games against Astralis and Na'Vi you should know. Their teamplay is garbage, but enough to beat tier 2+. Now check their traded% in the same link you sent me. Trading is the most important thing on competitive CS
2018-09-26 13:41
#194
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Brazil davidzor 
I have watched, that's why I'm saying it. Winstrike had a better trade than Liquid, does it make them a better team? Please, if you wanna argue, do it properly. You conception of tier 1 teams is outrageous. So Mouz ins't a tier 1 team? What is a tier 1 team for you? Their trading kills on this tournament was average. It wasn't the best but wasn't the worst. Both Dust 2 was a blowout, it can't be analyze because it was one-sided. But on Overpass we have a good amount of data here on HLTV.
2018-09-26 17:51
#195
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Brazil Collee 
Wait you're the one who came arguing with this "kills while flashed" stat. I only pointed out that it can't be used to argue who's better or has better teamplay, and it doesn't necessarily point teams with the best teamplay in the scene. Mibr have the best flashed assists stat, sure. Does it make them better than Astralis or Na'Vi? Then we have tyloo and G2, do they have proper teamplay? Are they top 2 and 3 in the scene after mibr? You are the one who came up with this argument, not me. You're the one with poor arguments. I watched the games and I say what I say based on them. Traded% is a much more reliable stat than the 2 you mentioned. Especially flash assists. But it also can't be the only thing used to argue, we have to watch the games and consider how many maps teams played, who they played against, and how better they performed against stronger teams
2018-09-26 18:16
#197
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Brazil davidzor 
First of all, they don't have the best flashed assist. They had on the major. That's it. Read it properly. Second, I pointed it out because you said ""They're totally off synchronization and they don't do basic stuff a team should." They do basic stuff a team should do and they have synchronization, otherwise they wouldn't be the second in opening kills. Third, stats aren't meant to point who's the better team. But who does it better. Results determine who is the better team. Fourth, never ever I mentioned one single time they are better than NaVi and Astralis, that's you saying. What I am countering is that they showed improvements and are not losers from this major.
2018-09-26 18:46
#198
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Brazil Collee 
Yes mr. obvious, obviously they had the best flash assist stat on the major as the link you sent points, and I'm telling you it doesn't mean anything. You used this to defend your points. And I'm obviously talking about tier 1 level. Tier 1 right now is Astralis, FaZe, Liquid and Na'Vi, teams which mibr are far behind. Any team of the top 30 will do the most basic stuff teams should do. That's what they're paid for, and what they practice every day. It's a fact and something pointless to discuss. You don't even get to a top 100 if you can't do at least a single strat with flashes, smokes and molotovs, if you can never trade a single frag. I'm not talking about the most basic stuff possible a trash random team you pick can do. I'm talking about tier 1 level and the basic stuff tier 1 teams do which other teams might do in one game or another, but can't do consistently, and definitely can't do against tier 1 teams except for a few rounds. Actually, mibr might be the first team in history to look like a pug team in literally every round of a major map, which they lost 0-16
2018-09-26 19:25
#199
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Brazil davidzor 
"It doesn't mean anything". Alright then. No point on argue anymore with someone who believes that. Astralis, NaVi, Liquid and FaZe are contenders besides tier 1 teams. It seems you don't actually know what a tier 1 team is. But I'll teach you what tier represents. Tier 1 teams are the ones who can be expected to trade maps and matches with other teams in that tier but would be expected to beat teams in a lower tier. It is an easier way to judge how teams match up against each other skill-wise, instead of trying to put them in numerical order.
2018-09-26 19:47
#201
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Brazil Collee 
1 - mibr 2 - tyloo 3 - G2 4 - Winstrike . . 10 - Astralis Sure it doesn't mean anything at all LOL. In fact, it's the least useful stat you could have picked to argue anything About the tier 1, I think tier 1 teams are the best teams in the scene which can make competitive games against each other. Mibr don't beat the tier 1 teams since... let's see: Astralis - November of 2017. Brazilian lineup FaZe - December of 2017. Brazilian lineup Liquid - May of 2018. Have to point though that almost all the maps they used to play against each other were pretty close, unlike the last time 2 months ago when they lost 2 maps 9-16 and 8-16. Liquid have improved much more than mibr since that Mibr clearly can't beat tier 1 teams, just face the truth. On the other hand, they won 3 tier 2 tournaments this year, IIRC. They're on top of the tier 2 with North. With North having an edge for beating Astralis and Na'Vi in BO3s recently, they'll probably be in the tier 1 soon if not already
2018-09-26 21:38
#204
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Brazil davidzor 
Since I know you are from Brazil I can understand you lack of proper english interpretation. Maybe read it again 3x times you will understand what I wrote. "I think tier 1 teams are the best teams in the scene which can make competitive games against each other." Yeah that's just what you think really. Keep on that.
2018-09-27 00:06
#205
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Brazil Collee 
I said what I said about basic stuff based on tier 1. So if you want to argue anything about what I said, these 4 are the teams I talked about. But just like you said: there's no point on arguing with someone who believes such a relevant a stat which ranks the major champions as #10(considering only the major maps), and teams like mibr/tyloo/G2/Winstrike in the top 4 doesn't mean anything to a discussion
2018-09-27 02:26
#192
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Brazil VAC0 
I agree with almost everything but TACO left the team for not being satisfied with the pressure (considered the culprit). I had not mentioned that they have a big problem with map pool. (which is not solved with just a change in lineup). If they did not make mistakes in overpass vs NAVI would be 1-1 going to the third map. mibr had conditions to win... NAVI is a great example of a lineup that has been discredited but today is close to Astralis. In their case Zeus and Edward are technically inferior to top players, but persistence has brought results (in-game). s1mple started with good performances but with defeats making more and more people question the future of the team and today he is the best of world. The same can happen with coldzera that did not play well some games (according to his level). mibr is more skilled individually than NAVI and Fallen is able to play well. (which was a big problem in the first half of year). fer has been horrible individually with several bad games and some excellent ones. (it's not solved with lineup change only). they have a lot of potential and I think it's premature to discredit this lineup. It looks like a football fan wanting to kick the coach earlier of year because he lost the state/local championship. It is superficial to say that communication is a problem since we do not have recordings of the conversations in the game. (do not come to point out some round that had communication problem because even in the own language happens occasional errors in speech or understanding). If this difficulty with communication is determining in the rounds they will identify this and solve the problem. Other thing: Boltz is known to have poor communication (even in portuguese). So a Tarik or Stewie might even have improved communication... so it's not all bad like you said.
2018-09-26 15:40
#196
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Brazil Collee 
Na'Vi also made a lot of mistakes on Overpass actually. Remember they were up 15-5 against mibr, and they were playing CT side. They just relaxed with the advantage and started playing a different game. The thing with Na'Vi improving is, they all speak the same language. We don't need to listen to mibr to identify these problems, just see how poor they are with trading and how off synch they are. I think they don't want to bring these problems just now while still playing with Stewie and now tarik, but it was a change that hurt them a lot. Just check what fer said in an interview. It's like he's pointing that they're having problems with english, but at the same time he wants to deny it: "I don't have problems with communicating in English, the only problem I see in our team is when we have two seconds to adjust to a clutch situation, in a 3v3 or a 2v2, and you have two segments, you have to picture it in your mind and you have to express yourself to your teammates in English in two seconds, and sometimes it is hard for us. You have the information, you have to be one step ahead, and you can't say everything in two seconds. If you try to say it sometimes it just comes out as a mess. I think the English communication is not a problem, but in messy situations it's hard for us."
2018-09-26 18:25
#200
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Brazil davidzor 
That interview was in July.
2018-09-26 19:48
#202
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Brazil Collee 
And they didn't achieve anything relevant since then. Didn't beat any of the 4 best teams in the world. Won one tier 2 tournament, but they had won tier 2 tournaments in May and June as well. There's nothing to support this isn't a problem for them anymore, there's no evolution in the team's results
2018-09-26 21:44
#203
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Brazil davidzor 
Well, on the major the analysts said that haven't saw one single problem related to communication. But it seems you know more than them that were at the major. Also the most recent interviews from the players deny communication problems as well. But you know more than them.
2018-09-27 00:00
#206
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Brazil Collee 
Irrelevant. Make your own opinion based on your arguments. Just showing someone else's opinion and saying their opinion is more relevant than the opinion of the person you're arguing with isn't really arguing. You didn't even care to elaborate anything about their opinions, just threw them at me. I didn't even see if they really said this, how they said this, and if they were talking about especially the Astralis and Na'Vi matches - because in these the problems were obvious, and these are the minority of the maps mibr played(3 of 11), yet the most important ones. So if you go through all maps in general they were not so bad. But like I said, they can only beat the tier 2+ teams. They won a tier 2 lan just before this major Btw what you did is called "argumentum ad verecundiam", since you didn't elaborate anything at all about their opinions. And people do this only when they're too weak to elaborate anything relevant about what they're talking about, just like you were in this whole conversation, so I'm not surprised
2018-09-27 02:45
#207
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Brazil davidzor 
It wasn't really needed to paste any links or direct where it was said whatsoever, if you really want to you can search it. I`m not trying to win a discussions here. Look how you elaborate your sentence. Its mental. Im sure that if it was in portuguese it would be better. Having said that, you are on your opinion circle jerk that the problem with the team is communication and teamplay. I just started to write countering what you say to other people who`s reading it to do not believe on this nonsense.
2018-09-27 02:58
#208
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Brazil Collee 
So basically the best things you tried to defend your point of view were first the ad verecundiam, and now the ad hominen. You come with someone else's opinion, tell me "look, they have a different opinion than yours, so you're wrong" and can't even show any proof that they said what you're implying they did, I am the one who has to look for it. And now it's "look how you elaborate your sentence, it's mental", which by the way was totally understandable by anyone who understands the english language. Even if you don't know anything about english and put everything in google translate, you can easily understand. It's pointless to come up with these two fallacious arguments, but I understand from you point of view why you had to, because like I said, you can't come up with anything relevant by yourself to support whatever you have in mind
2018-09-27 07:48
#209
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Brazil davidzor 
That's difference, while what you wrote the whole time it is your opinion. Everything else isn't. it is a fact. So I don't really need to do anything else. Time will tell. And I will quote you again for the lulz
2018-09-27 18:28
faze - winners. went 0-2 and then niko igl (drastic changes!) and reverse sweeped 3-2. couldn’t have expected them to win the major but i think they would have made finals if not meeting against astralis. renegades, north, optic - big losers
2018-09-25 04:09
G2, hello
2018-09-25 04:15
#51
NiKo | 
Europe NeO_RiGhT 
Hello london
2018-09-25 04:45
#53
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Brazil hugoooo 
mibr wasn't mentioned AT ALL... not expected.
2018-09-25 04:51
#57
f0rest | 
Argentina Nawll 
N :wheelchair: :wheelchair: R T H
2018-09-25 05:11
Nt
2018-09-25 12:48
#58
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Brazil cadik 
navi winners OMEGALUL navi biggest losers of tournament
2018-09-25 05:16
#60
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Hungary saxxo 
Hmm, HR wasn’t mentioned as a winner..
2018-09-25 05:51
-coL +HR for Winners tbh
2018-09-25 07:03
#108
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Hungary saxxo 
I think the legends “underdogs” are the bigest surprise and one of them wasn’t mentioned in this article:D Some point of view, complexity and hr are biger winners than astralis:D
2018-09-25 09:59
Mm, I think Astralis and HR both won more than coL really proved. They pushed aside a few weak teams and then got steamrolled whenever they met hard competition lmao. HR at least put up decent fights and proved they could toe with the top teams.
2018-09-25 13:15
It isn't hard. Winner: Astralis Loosers: the rest of the teams ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wanna buy the best apples in HLTV? call me NOW: 011-1337-APPLE and get an 80% discount on your first 5 kilos!
2018-09-25 05:58
#66
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India Fukuforsaken 
Kjaerbye a big joke....magisk>kjaerbye
2018-09-25 06:24
#69
n0thing | 
United States hleev4 
They forgot Hellraisers
2018-09-25 06:42
Winner : Astralis Loser : others
2018-09-25 06:58
#75
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Hungary ERiKb09 
Where is Hellraisers?
2018-09-25 07:03
#78
Xizt | 
Italy HeSY 
Any Hellraisers mention?
2018-09-25 07:30
#80
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Europe f0restthegod 
Hellraisers is definitely one of the winners, they had a longer run than NIP.. fcuk this article
2018-09-25 07:38
Beside that, HR is the only one of the losing teams who managed to win at least 1 map instead of being completely stomped.
2018-09-25 09:17
Hehe hr
2018-09-25 07:44
The losers are once again the viewers that have to watch a major that comes straight after the player holidays. Why they just can't schedule the majors in the end of a tournament season instead of in the beginning is beyond me.
2018-09-25 08:00
#94
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United Kingdom cowbunga 
Biggest +1 of all time, stupid shit from Volvo
2018-09-25 08:48
#90
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France yo_les_n00bs 
losers = everyone
2018-09-25 08:27
#91
ANGE1 | 
Turkey RAGE_M 
No Hellraisers wtf?
2018-09-25 08:30
Why miss out Hellraisers, they are the only one do win a map in playoff not being 0-2.
2018-09-25 08:34
#95
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France Escher 
Big and nip are winners but HR aren't?
2018-09-25 08:51
FaZe put up the best bo3 against Astralis out of all teams and were just unlucky to face them first. Had they been on the other side of the bracket they probably would have reached the finals. Losers: Viewers everywhere as this Major was the worst in history. Forgotten about in a few weeks
2018-09-25 08:53
#119
rain | 
Venezuela Kremator 
not worse than PGL Krakow and their "alternative" night-vision streams
2018-09-25 11:33
MIBR 16-0 LUL
2018-09-25 09:21
#103
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Bosnia and Herzegovina ajdinSHO 
"This isn't even their final form." I see what u did there.
2018-09-25 09:21
#104
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Romania mongolkurva 
Where is Hellraisers wtf? They made it to the legedns stage. Biggest win in their carrier imo
2018-09-25 09:25
+1
2018-09-25 11:10
They forgot to add and then didnt feel like editing
2018-09-25 13:29
#105
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CIS eddie42 
ahahaha no Hellraisers :D got to be a joke
2018-09-25 09:34
hellraisers?
2018-09-25 09:44
At least an honorable mention for Tyloo, first time making it as far as they did
2018-09-25 10:01
#112
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Turkey Thunderball 
No hr on winners?? Classic biased hltv
2018-09-25 10:50
#115
woxic | 
Europe Pietas 
HellRaisers.. they won in our hearts.
2018-09-25 11:16
yes ;'(
2018-09-25 12:03
dont forget spacesoldiers ez 0-3 OMEGALUL
2018-09-25 11:17
They already lost 0-3 before starting the tournament, with a coach as a stand in, you dont have any chance.
2018-09-25 14:49
xD tyloo
2018-09-25 11:45
ok
2018-09-25 12:09
LOSERS? OF COURSE FAZE AND VP.
2018-09-25 12:28
Can we try not to have a bias writer licking astralis' arse lmao, sad af
2018-09-25 13:04
#136
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Asia CA1MAN 
I think HellRaisers would've at least deserved a mention at winners, they played really well and even managed a map off Liquid.
2018-09-25 13:14
>winners >no hr
2018-09-25 13:15
Oh fuck off faze did OK Just because they lost to BIG doesn't mean they suck, because navi winning a bo1 and losing to the eventual winners in the closest manner isn't that bad They are still a top four team and idk what fuckery is going on with your rankings to put mibr above them
2018-09-25 13:24
#144
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Brazil Collee 
Agreed. They lost in playoffs to Astralis and looked like a threat to them, winning 14 and 12 rounds in the 2 maps. Much better than Na'Vi, Liquid or mibr. They actually look like with some time again they can take the #1 spot, unlike the other teams
2018-09-25 13:56
HR are winners considering a top 8 placing and a garanteed Legends spot at next major
2018-09-25 13:28
#142
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Europe Al^jebbah 
WTF is that a joke? Where is Hell Raisers hahahahahaha nice post hltv
2018-09-25 13:30
Winners: Astralis Losers: Liquid, Navi, MiBR, FaZe, col, big, HR, NiP, Cloud9, Vega, mouz, VP, Tyloo, Spirit, Winstrike, North, fnatic, G2, Gambit, OpTic
2018-09-25 14:26
#146
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CIS imsofckngmad 
hr winners, gambit losers
2018-09-25 14:34
#149
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CIS antishaakeh 
Winstrike is neither a losers, nor winners. They played as people expected from them, even players said, that they jumped over themselves on the prev. major. Also, as many others mentioned: where is the HR, ISSA & woxic almost always got "visa problems" but yet they managed to put up a great fight. Sad D;
2018-09-25 15:16
#150
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Brazil chz_tv 
mibr was a winner in this tournament, It would be really possible for them to don't even make it to the legends stage.
2018-09-25 15:29
I agree with others hr are winners at the end of the day since most expected them to not make playoffs legends spot will do them well.
2018-09-25 17:13
#161
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Turkey Lennon1923 
HR winner
2018-09-25 21:30
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India v1ra7 
No TYLOO? Wow, after that showing
2018-09-26 05:34
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