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device scoops IEM Chicago MVP award

12/11/2018 - 01:06

Astralis star Nicolai "⁠device⁠" Reedtz has been named the Most Valuable Player (MVP) of IEM Chicago 2018 by HLTV.org and betway.

The Danish AWPer won the race for the award for his remarkable consistency throughout the tournament, especially in the playoffs, in which he was Astralis' top performer with a 1.19 rating.

Russel "⁠Twistzz⁠" Van Dulken was a leading candidate for the accolade prior to the best-of-five final, but his 0.88 rating in the match saw him slide out of contention.

device wins his tenth MVP medal

Peter "⁠dupreeh⁠" Rasmussen, who enjoyed a strong start to the tournament but had Astralis' worst playoff rating, and Andreas "⁠Xyp9x⁠" Højsleth were also in the running for the award.

device, who averaged a 1.15 rating in Chicago, featured in the stats leaderboards in three categories, KDD (+41), total kills (248) and total AWP frags (103).

This brings device's medal count to ten, with the 23-year-old having been named the MVP of four events this year before IEM Chicago: ECS Season 5 Finals, ELEAGUE Premier, FACEIT Major and BLAST Pro Series Istanbul.

EZ for the 3rd best player 2018 1. s1mple 2. NiKo 3. device

2018-11-12 01:06

tbh dupreeh > device

2018-11-12 01:06

+11111111

2018-11-12 01:06

Scoopty woop

2018-11-12 01:07

CHOKo OMEGALUL

2018-11-12 01:06

didnt ask

2018-11-12 01:10

Nah dupreeh fell off a bit after device stole mvp at major. Tougher case to make for him topping device now but hes still up there

2018-11-12 01:09

Probably skillwise, not in other aspects though.

2018-11-12 01:28

2018-11-12 01:32

LOL

2018-11-12 01:55

and golden > dupreeh

2018-11-12 16:55

+1111111

2018-11-12 01:07

WOOOW, stolen from s1mple

2018-11-12 01:07

You can't say it was stolen when s1mple had so little playtime. He played 3 maps and lost all 3.

2018-11-12 07:47

ofc... Navi didn't reach the playoffs.

2018-11-12 01:07

niko OMEGALUL

2018-11-12 01:10

hltv.org/stats?startDate=2018-01-01&endD.. /discuss

2018-11-12 01:11

If you look deeper into the stats they are really close. But device 5 MVPs in 2018...... NiKo how many?

2018-11-12 01:31

2 but NiKo more impact hltv.org/stats/players/compare/3741/NiKo..

2018-11-12 01:33

True. But device higher rating on all matches and more opening kills. Like I said - it's gonna be really close between them for the #2 and #3 spot..! However I think device is going to take it because of more MVPs and more tournament wins... But we'll see... ;)

2018-11-12 01:46

device is 100% gonna take it because hltv is biased lmao

2018-11-12 02:19

Honestly I don't think it's biased. It's not even Danes making that list. And they always have really good arguments for the ranking - and no Dane has ever made it higher than #3. To me, that people are saying it's biased is just a bad meme.

2018-11-12 08:22

ofc ur gonna say that ur danish lol wtf is this shit

2018-11-12 16:58

We were having a civilised conversation here.... who called you??? Also learn to read and inform yourself - it's not Danes making that list..!

2018-11-12 20:09

ahhh is that why its super biased toward danes and brazillians every time LOL stfu lmfao

2018-11-12 21:29

Obviously btthurt because there's usually noone from England on the list... Why would people from other countries be biased toward Danes and Brazilians..? Makes no sense...

2018-11-13 02:12

SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYA

2018-11-13 11:49

Are u fucking stupid??? S1mple 1- Dev1ce 2- Niko 3. NO DOUBT! And we all have our own opinion on things. I think simple is the best player no doubt... But all you that trashtalks device go to bed. Cause hes by far the best awper atm aside of simple. And he changed the fucking meta!? He wins MVP's BAISED ON STATS NOT FUCKING LUCK U RETARDS. Get ur facts straight or fuck to bed cunts.

2018-11-12 03:02

No need to call anyone names. Thank you.

2018-11-12 03:03

Ecovice lul

2018-11-12 06:42

rekt

2018-11-12 08:53

Device cant be the best awper cuz in Chicago he used the awp more than his teammates only on Nuke so most of his kills are with a rifle. In other word he uses the rifles to get eco frags

2018-11-12 09:06

holy shit this kid is soooo mad, typical 10 year old dane thinks the top 5 goes device dupreeh xyp9x magisk glaive

2018-11-12 16:59

Calm down kiddo...

2018-11-12 20:10

You're a MiBR hater but +111

2018-11-12 01:29

niko XD

2018-11-12 01:36

Niko 2018 ? good joke

2018-11-12 01:46

LUL astralis fan. Didnt even watch yesterdays match vs liquid I presume lmaooo. Better than device tho so all good :)

2018-11-12 02:24

hltv.org/stats/players/3741/NiKo?startDa.. hltv.org/stats/players/7592/device?start..

2018-11-12 04:02

"Didnt even watch yesterdays match vs liquid I presume lmaooo" >links me no context stats lmaooo also inb4 "niko in 2018 he said blahblah" niko is more impactful in faze than device is in astralis /close

2018-11-12 05:19

thing is what did faze actually do this year? If Niko was let say more impactful maybe faze could more tourneys this year. 100% no doubt that Device impacted astralis to greater effect than niko does to faze. Faze doesnt win anything. Meanwhile device won his TENTH Mvp medal.

2018-11-12 05:30

Sure they dont win anything but does that mean twistzz isnt impactful to liquid? NiKo is an outstanding player who (as we saw this tournament) can shred players (and has for years like s1mple) if he needs to.

2018-11-12 05:41

classical navi fan has no idea about impact

2018-11-12 08:05

lmaooo turk retard. go back to scurbbing erdogans toilets and come back when you can have a reasonable argument

2018-11-12 08:06

still classical navi fan has no idea about impact . cancer kiddo

2018-11-14 21:51

Tell me how I have no idea about impact? If s1mple is the one clutching rounds, shutting down pushes, getting rotaters and hard carrying his team as awp/rifle hybrid, im pretty sure he's more impactful than a solid awper who positions himself for a kill every round.

2018-11-14 23:30

we are talking about device's mvp avard idiot

2018-11-15 11:08

tf do you mean his MVP award, im talking about how s1mple is better than device

2018-11-15 11:55

are u stoopid look at thethe #132

2018-11-15 23:15

It said "niko 2018 good joke" so I replied about how NiKo is infact a good player and we went from there. Not once was I talking about devices MVP. Read the context.

2018-11-15 23:16

"tf do you mean his MVP award, im talking about how s1mple is better than device"

2018-11-15 23:22

Yeah, exactly

2018-11-15 23:31

i didnt say that Niko wasnt impactful to faze. So why even bring twistzz to this lmao. All im saying is i disagree with your statement that states "niko is more impactful to faze than device is to astralis". Device won his tenth mvp medal and another trophy in the bag. Meanwhile Niko? Still choking on majors i see

2018-11-16 18:38

But the impact has no impact. Niko carry his team, to no goal, while device carry his team toward winning tournaments

2018-11-12 07:32

not true

2018-11-12 04:03

5/8

2018-11-12 04:54

lol device > NiKo

2018-11-12 05:23

lol Niko > device

2018-11-19 13:41

bad joke xd

2018-11-19 17:52

Still think that Device will take second place based solely on the number of MVP's and EVP's that Device has. Where Niko only has 2 MVPs of 2018, device has 5. In addition, Faze and Niko has only been in 5 finals this year and won 3 where Astralis has been in 9 finals and won 7. Though Device isn't going to surpass S1mple anymore.

2018-11-12 08:35

Rofl wat. Devve: 9 finals, 7 wins - Niko: 5 finals, 3 wins. Niko overrated

2018-11-12 13:24

1 device 2 simple 3 Niko 4 Coldzera 5 stewie2k

2018-11-12 23:04

expected

2018-11-12 01:06

wtf why

2018-11-12 01:06

What do you mean why they just wrote why...Best team playoffs stats and the nearest 3 contenders: twistz awful at the final/ dupreeh had peek stats only in group stages and worst performance of the team in the playoffs and xyp had worse stats..

2018-11-12 01:09

Wer lesen kann ist besser dran

2018-11-12 08:54

Whyyyy

2018-11-12 01:06

most unconvincing mvp 2018

2018-11-12 01:06

They specifically told you why dupreeh didnt deserve it

2018-11-12 01:10

i didnt say dupreeh deserved it doesnt take away the fact it was unconvincing astralis won a team and deserve the trophy but why have an ‘most valuable player’ award when all players were just as valuable as each other

2018-11-12 01:17

You cant just not give an mvp

2018-11-12 01:19

I mean even so, IN MY personal opinion, Twist deserved it, ofc he played sht in the final and that was a huge factor but still xd

2018-11-12 01:26

Twistzz played amazing. But you can't get the MVP if you don't win AND you play like shit in the final.

2018-11-12 01:34

S1mple LUL

2018-11-12 06:09

read again what he said

2018-11-12 08:10

i know but thats my opinion he got it for being the most consistent, however it doesnt mean it was convincing Even the guy who selected the mvp said that lol

2018-11-12 01:27

S1mple's MVP in Asia Championships is easily the most undeserved in 2018. Lekro, ScreaM and byali all played better overall and this tournament was right after a tournament on which s1mple won the MVP and was a runner-up as well. All 3 of them had only about 1-2 maps less and got much more convincing numbers and performances. hltv.org/news/24000/s1mple-secures-csgo-..

2018-11-12 03:06

Adil "ScreaM" Benrlitom ultimately missed out on the award after being only the second-best player in the semi-final series against Natus Vincere, with Paweł "byali" Bieliński also finishing just behind s1mple after his level dropped on the last two maps of the final. Ioann "Edward" Sukhariev was another strong contender for the award after impressing in all of Na`Vi's map wins in the playoffs it literally explained the reasoning in the fucking article you linked lekr0 was out too early to be mvp also 1.23 > 1.15

2018-11-12 16:45

because all of astralis players performed to a very equal level

2018-11-12 14:27

2018-11-12 01:06

xyp9x da real mvp

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2018-11-12 08:15

#217

2018-11-12 09:04

2018-11-12 14:30

HAHA BIASED HLTV TRYING TO BUMP THIS BOT #1 IN 2018 LOOL GG IM SO DONE.. S1MPLE DESERVED THIS SO MUCH MORE HOLY SHIT IM GOING TO CRY MY EYES OUT ANY MINUTE NOW

2018-11-12 01:07

Device didnt deserve the mvp but s1mple played only 3 maps and got out the fastest way possible so he doesn't deserve it either

2018-11-12 01:08

Xyp9x deserved it. Devve did play well though.

2018-11-12 01:16

#217

2018-11-12 09:04

MVP are given to the team who won in the finals lmao Navi cant even qualify for playoffs 😂

2018-11-12 01:10

stop crying fan of chokequid

2018-11-12 01:13

ti daun?

2018-11-12 01:13

Nah, twistzz for example won the mvp against mousesports even though liquid lost the tournament

2018-11-12 01:18

its because twistzz gets on to play on the finals. Simple cant even qualify for playoffs its a huge difference.

2018-11-12 05:31

lol you don't know what you are talking about, s1mple has gotten mvps from soooo many events where Navi didn't win, the winning team doesn't matter, it goes to the best player in the event

2018-11-12 01:30

I think his point is s1mple cant get a MVP cuz his team wasn't EVEN in playoffs :)

2018-11-12 17:51

just showing an example that the winning team doesn't have to get the mvp

2018-11-12 18:53

Do you like at least do research before you hate on teams lol?

2018-11-12 02:04

Except we're in most playoffs bar a few bombouts LOL idiot.

2018-11-12 02:25

And we are in the most finals winning shit...

2018-11-12 07:40

WE WE you are from india, stop saying WE

2018-11-12 20:23

So Indians can't say we?

2018-11-12 20:30

you are not danish so you cant say WE since you are supporting astralis..

2018-11-12 20:36

Fuck idc. Rip Stan the man

2018-11-12 20:37

last hltv podcast they said s1mple is clearly top1

2018-11-12 01:27

Don't cry, simple will get #1 2018, dont worry.

2018-11-12 01:30

the fuck?

2018-11-12 01:56

Cry is free

2018-11-12 05:42

Just no

2018-11-12 01:07

overrated

2018-11-12 01:07

Pathetic, dupreeh got cucked of the MVP

2018-11-12 01:07

They had almost identical stats (kd, adr, rating2.0....) after the whole tournament, but as mentioned in the article you can't be MVP if you're worst rated in the entire playoffs.

2018-11-12 01:13

#217 And what #65 said but with an addition. Dupreeh fell of in important games like Inferno vs fnatic and nuke vs mouz which device and xyp9x didn't. #217 will explain why device got it and not xyp9x

2018-11-12 09:04

got "cucked" of the MVP? can you please explain to me how using the term "cuck" fits in this sentence? what do "cucks" have to do with it?

2018-11-12 14:28

No! Kjaerbye is real mvp

2018-11-12 01:08

Yes

2018-11-12 01:08

Kjaerbye deserved it Coz he leave AST Then ast rise up

2018-11-12 01:09

Yes

2018-11-12 01:10

This!

2018-11-12 01:36

Kjaerbye #1 of 2018...!

2018-11-12 01:36

Dupreeh deserved it

2018-11-12 01:08

Did you even read the article?

2018-11-12 08:57

imo Dupreeh deserved it more, what's the point of your comment.

2018-11-12 10:08

Worst player in the final, stats only peeked in the group stage etc

2018-11-12 10:34

1.31 for dupreeh in the final.

2018-11-12 10:34

#217

2018-11-12 09:02

rip dupreeh mvp

2018-11-12 01:08

device stealing MVPs from dupreeh here and at the major...so sad

2018-11-12 01:08

Hltv- cries device was only good in gs wahh undeserved mvp Hltv- dupreeh was only good in the gs stage wahhh he obviously deserved mvp

2018-11-12 01:13

TheBlackSwordsman- can find him on any thread concerning astralis because all he does is cry wahhhh

2018-11-12 02:26

i am in every thread about astralis

2018-11-12 02:34

Yeah you are, thats exactly what i just said lmao

2018-11-12 02:34

i dont whine though

2018-11-12 02:35

neither do I, and you do whine so...

2018-11-12 02:35

Technically he’s not stealing them, since he doesn’t decide whether he wants it or not.

2018-11-12 01:16

he could have given it to dupreeh or even xyp9x, so he did have a choice

2018-11-12 01:29

You cant just give it lol. He is not the one who anounces who is the mvp of the tourney and even if he decided to give the mvp medal the tourney officials wouldstill say device was the mvp

2018-11-12 04:09

yeah yeah yeah im just complaing kk he just didnt stand out as much as most tournament mvps do

2018-11-12 04:35

Nobody really did. Maybe xypex

2018-11-12 04:39

because it was a team effort..

2018-11-12 14:29

#217

2018-11-12 09:01

overrated

2018-11-12 01:08

its sad because we all know right now that he is overrated af, but in 5 years ppl will forget about and will take their knowledge just from stats ;/

2018-11-12 01:08

oof

2018-11-12 01:28

>5 mvps in 2018 >overrated

2018-11-12 04:05

Its sad how HLTV try to get reasons to make device #1. First major mvp robbed from dupreeh and then device wins this too? Wtf

2018-11-12 01:08

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2018-11-12 01:11

+1 ikr

2018-11-12 01:27

2018-11-12 01:36

Take a chillpill dude... S1mple will be #1...

2018-11-12 01:38

It is HLTV, a danish site, so you never know 😂

2018-11-12 08:29

It's not even Danes making that list... So when people are saying it's biased is just a bad meme.... at least in my opinion.😊 They always dive deep into the stats and have really good arguments for the placings. And no Dane has ever made it higher than #3.

2018-11-12 08:33

right?!?!

2018-11-12 08:59

#217

2018-11-12 08:59

I mean who else right

2018-11-12 01:08

i mean no, he wasn't close to highest rating in the event, he was like 13th before the finals, and he wasn't that great in the finals either

2018-11-12 01:27

twitter.com/Thooorin/status/106176815307..

2018-11-12 01:40

k i respect Thorin, but usually mvps standout over the whole tournament, and Device did not

2018-11-12 01:59

Idk, I would love to see gla1ve getting one! Essentially every1 from astralis could have been chosen this event though, with the consistency and especially his flexibility, I can see why! His switching between rifling and awping and especially entry fraggin on T with ak was somewhat superising but still very effective!

2018-11-12 02:04

I wanted xyp to win everyone else have already won atleast 1 in 2018

2018-11-12 06:48

No1 really did. At least no1 from the grand final and for any semi finalists to get it they need more than a standout performance.

2018-11-12 08:27

Deserved. That Mouz game, on Nuke especially, saved the series for Astralis.

2018-11-12 01:08

cool he shows up in 1 game... mvp? undeserved

2018-11-12 01:25

By that logic none of the astralis players deserved it. And none of the liquid players either. No1 from fnatic nor faze does either. Maybe s1mple should just get it since he was the highest rated player of the tournament.

2018-11-12 08:29

lol

2018-11-12 14:48

dupreeh robbed

2018-11-12 01:09

#217 Dupreeh fell of in some deciding games, device did not.

2018-11-12 08:58

undeserved

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2018-11-12 01:24

+100

2018-11-12 01:31

+10000

2018-11-12 01:37

#217

2018-11-12 08:57

Device easily number 1 player of 2018

2018-11-12 01:09

0/8

2018-11-12 01:18

-100 obviously not at all, he wasn't even top1 at the event lol, just carried by his team

2018-11-12 01:24

Yeah, all of the astralis players was carried by their team. Most people call it teamwork though but you can call it whatever.

2018-11-12 08:30

My boyfriend dupreeh the real MVP Pls stop boosting devve for best player 2018

2018-11-12 01:09

2018-11-12 01:10

nt Ashley

2018-11-12 01:16

#217

2018-11-12 08:56

2018-11-12 14:37

i really felt like xyp9x should get this one..

2018-11-12 01:09

#217 He could've but people forgetting that device had impact as well and that all of the astralis players had somewhat mediocre performance overall.

2018-11-12 08:56

Inb4 Device will be #1 or #2 in HLTV's top20 OMEGALUL this camper can't even have a good rating against FaZe...

2018-11-12 01:09

+1 if device is 1 or 2, wtf

2018-11-12 01:22

You mean this LAN:yes, but other match:nope

2018-11-12 06:43

#217 Worth mentioning that all the astralis players had bad performance vs Faze. Device was the 2nd best rated from astralis of that series.

2018-11-12 08:54

Don't get me wrong, Device deserved the MVP, but if he's gonna be the #1 or #2 player of 2018 I'm gonna fucking die, like, how can he be higher than S1mple and Niko?

2018-11-12 09:18

imo NiKo hasn't been nearly as consistent as device this year. He even managed to get one of the worst ratings in a match this year at 0.38 vs Astralis. hltv.org/stats/players/matches/3741/NiKo

2018-11-12 09:29

What I mean, is that Device's playstyle allows him to get so high ratings, not his skill entirely - ofc I don't want to deny that he has the skill, he is just less gifted that S1mple or Niko imo, but we're gonna see the ranking and know, right?

2018-11-12 10:10

This is not a ranking of potential but a ranking of factual skill. NiKo has a higher potential and a higher ceiling but he also has lower lows which he btw visits regularly. device is more consistent and has higher lows and lower highs but he reaches his highs more consistent than NiKo reaches his. Therefor he's by facts the better player compared to NiKo. Device doesn't really show his skills much since what he does works. But at least he does his job every match. This can't be said for NiKo. EDIT: This is ofc in the context of a yearly ranking which should consider the year in its fullest. Both counting lows and highs.

2018-11-12 10:22

undeserved,dupreeh/xyp9x robbed.

2018-11-12 01:11

#217 Dupreeh certainly didn't, xyp9x was neck and neck. People forgetting that you can't win only on clutches though they're important when the team fucks up.

2018-11-12 08:53

????????? Xyp deserved it more

2018-11-12 01:10

#217

2018-11-12 08:52

Haahhahahaah. Finally everyone understand that hltv danish portal doing all to give first place for danish player, no matter how he will play, damn, no reason talk about it on this portal

2018-11-12 01:11

+1 this MVP is the dumbest shit Ive ever seen

2018-11-12 01:14

#217

2018-11-12 08:52

#217

2018-11-12 08:52

??? Hltv blind clowns

2018-11-12 01:11

#217

2018-11-12 08:51

What????? Are you fking kidding me hltv????? This has to be the most undeserved mvp ever in history Its not 1st april fools Martin, Nomad get your shit together. This is not even serious

2018-11-12 01:15

Its not even Martin nor Nomad who decide the MVPs

2018-11-12 08:38

#217

2018-11-12 08:51

Should have been given to Xyp9x

2018-11-12 01:12

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2018-11-12 01:32

#217

2018-11-12 08:51

hahaha just like always fgt with most fanboys gets the mvp instead of people who actually deserved that award xD

2018-11-12 01:13

#217 And device doesn't have the most fanboys.

2018-11-12 08:51

2018-11-12 01:16

Interesting how at faceit major device had higher peaks on group stage but dupreeh consistently put better numbers across whole event, guess who got MVP at the end?

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2018-11-12 01:21

dude you just delete this idiots after this words, interesting can they say something

2018-11-12 01:26

2018-11-12 01:28

Dupreeh was better in 5 of 6 playoff games while device farm his kda and rating above 2.0 in trash matches vs Mibr and Vega 16-0 16-4

2018-11-12 04:04

2018-11-12 05:23

Even though the ratings made dupreeh look better in the Major playoffs, he wasn't, they were neck and neck if you go through it map by map and round by round. There were only a few maps where dupreeh had a slightly better rating (along with both standing out a lot on one map each against FaZe), which is also a result of some anti-eco rounds dupreeh had. So dupreeh didn't make up the difference from the group stage, device stayed ahead of him the whole time. Furthermore, looking at the rounds and map wins that actually brought Astralis the title, device beats dupreeh quite handily there. It wasn't even as close a race as people make it out to be. In Chicago they are pretty much the same in round and map wins, but here device did make up for dupreeh's advantage from the group stage, especially because dupreeh had a few poor maps that Astralis won (Inferno vs. fnatic & Nuke vs. mousesports), which people never really consider, but that certainly detracts from a players "value" to the team, if they win when he's actually playing badly. device stayed consistent and contributed positively in literally every map Astralis won in Chicago. Same as Xyp9x actually, which is why I think if anyone wants to make a case against device here, Xyp9x is the one you should be making a case for, not dupreeh. But it went to device because of his overall consistency and more impact in the rounds and maps Astralis won compared to Xyp9x. I know people like to look for inconsistencies or come up with conspiracy theories, but there's actually a complex system behind how we select the MVPs, which Striker explained in an episode of HLTV Confirmed.

2018-11-12 08:36

why is there any difference between rating in map wins and map lost? so if devv is main reason why they lost the map so big impact from dupreeh and xyp9x in that map wont count only cuz sniper went off? it's stupid if you ask me

2018-11-12 09:00

That just strengthen his claim for mvp though because that means the others cant do shit without him. And xyp9x in this case. EDIT: It seems like you're forgetting the fact that this is the MVP to help win the tournament.

2018-11-12 09:40

ofc it's hard to win 4v5 and espacially when you sniper have 0 impact, all maps should have the same value, even more if you play bad in map you lost(you the main reason why you lost that map) you should lost way more in terms of getting mvp

2018-11-12 09:51

Because when you look back at a tournament or even a series and you look for the most valuable player, the map the team lost in a winning series made no difference on the outcome. Only thing that map serves in terms of performance is for someone's consistency, and while ofc it's better to be more consistent, it's more important to have impact during winning than during losing.

2018-11-12 16:50

good advice for s1mple or device in a fight for top-1 if you see electronic\dupreeh get 40 frags in 1 half just stay afk so it doesnt count and you get ez mvp cuz best maps of your competitors doesnt count Thx for the answer but still think that all maps metters the same also it might be over impact when your team win 16-0 16-5 that happends alot if you talk about astralis and you get 2+ rating, but if you would go silent it wont change outcome of the match cuz whole team was amazing but your absence in losing map was way more important

2018-11-12 16:59

A losing map in a won series is different than a losing map in a lost series. That should be obvious. But in case it isn't, look at this theoretical example: 2-1 series. Player1 has 15:15 score, 0.95 rating in map 1 that his team won, then has 35:20 and a 1.7 rating in a map lost, and then again 15:15, 0.95 in map 3 that his team won. His teammate, Player2 goes for 25:10, 1.6 rating in map 1, 15:25 and 0.6 rating in map 2 and 25:15, 1.5 rating in map 3. At the end of the series they have the same K-D, rating etc (or you can use any performance criteria instead of K-D, rating, whatever you prefer). But which player was more valuable in cases like that? I think the answer is pretty clear, and it shows you why performances in some maps are more valuable than in others. The example isn't even that extreme, it actually happens often in similar ways.

2018-11-12 17:12

ye your example is obv My a bit complex with map score Player 1 have score 10-0 in map 1(16-0) where they win 35-25 map 2(14-16) when they lost and 25-20 ,map 3(16-14) when they won 70-45 overall and 1.35 rating Player 2 have 30-5 i map 1(16-0) map 2(14-16) 15-25 and same map 3 and overall same 70:45 and same rating Would be player 2 way more better cuz he perform better in map 1(16-0) even if he perform like player 1 it still be ez win, but in map 2 he is the main reason why they lost

2018-11-12 17:23

As I said in my original reply, players do get punished for playing badly when the team wins, so Player2 will be "punished" for the 15-25 in map 3. The lost map really makes very little difference, Player1 contributed nothing except his own consistency in that map 2, while Player2's underperformance cost them nothing in the end except his own inconsistency (this is outcome based grading, looking back at things that happened, not looking for future value). So in the end it will come down to who did more in the map wins and in your example it will likely be Player1 as he was at least good in both of them, while Player2 was great and then bad. Whatever you think about maps being "easy", someone still has to perform well in them and they should be rewarded for it. A 16-0 just means more people get rewarded, not that someone skyrockets into top1 for the rest of the tournament. Their rating may look high, but they also do it in fewer rounds so it evens out in the end when tougher and longer maps come around.

2018-11-12 17:34

maybe i type a bit bad, but map 3 is the same for both of the players, 25-20, and think it would put player 2 way more higher in turms of impact if take hltv method, but still think over perfomance should impact a bit less when whole team step up, then bad perfomance in map that you was the main reason of that loss

2018-11-12 17:46

In that case, yea Player2 is clearly more valuable, I don't see how you can argue that. Player1 was more consistent but certainly didn't make more impact on the series outcome. I repeat, this is outcome based grading - which I really don't think many people understand. Everyone tries to look for future value, and in that case sure you can call something an overperformance and you can be worried about Player2's bad performance on map 2 as it can mean the player is prone to being inconsistent. But in an outcome based system (look at the result first and then figure out how it happened and who contributed in what ways), there is far less value in that second map, for either team. That's just the Bo3/5 system for you. If all of CS was Bo1, it would be a different story.

2018-11-12 17:55

thx for the answer now will be way more ez to know who is mvp before hltv post it, also still think it's unfair to take player godlike perfomance in map loss in bo3

2018-11-12 18:02

Why does it even matter if you know the MVP before we post it? :) And I don't understand what you still think is unfair or why, but it doesn't really matter, I still think I got through to you no matter how much you resisted :)

2018-11-12 18:04

some times events end late and i dont want to w8 until mvp offically awarded, when i go to sleep after IEM chicago i think dupreeh will be mvp, but i'm wrong, now i could know who is mvp before i go to sleep, or just imagine what player need to show to get mvp before finals i understand how it works and yea its have to agree with in our both exmaples its fair, but if player 1 is better overall in bo3 but player 2 is better in winning maps, how big that impact would metter, could it catch up 0,02 overall bo3 rating difference or 0,03-0,04 and if it does i think it's unfair

2018-11-12 18:23

Ok, who will be top 1 2018?

2018-11-12 19:37

I don't know, we'll see a little over 2 months from now :)

2018-11-12 19:39

Who has more chances. And who would have received if the year had ended?

2018-11-12 19:46

I don't comment on the Top 20 in any way so I don't ruin the fun for most people

2018-11-12 19:47

Fair enough about Chicago, would still disagree about Major though. Discounting game vs Vega, device and dupreeh were level during group stage. Going to playoffs, in majority of the maps dupreeh was ahead in impact, kast and rating by decent margin, which is quite impressive considering that at the end both had even amount of kills as well as dupreeh had better entry stats. In that context it seems like some players ratings and impact are being overrated by surviving rate, playstyle and role specifics, when making comparison with aggressive players. All comes to conclusion by simply watching astralis play and it doesnt look like dupreeh take all anti-eco kills neither, not to mention that most of those rounds are half buys and easy multi kill wipes are actually not that common.

2018-11-12 18:20

Well, I can't change how it "seems" like to you, I can only add that I literally sat down and noted down impact for every player in every round(!) of the Major (including the playoffs when I was in London) exactly for the purpose of properly grading each map and not over or underrating someone in the MVP race. An example I can give you is the Liquid semi-final on Mirage, where dupreeh ended up with better stats but device was certainly more impactful due to the 1st half where the game was already decided, and due to dupreeh getting anti-eco kills. And I have to notice you ignored the part where device was more impactful in the rounds Astralis won while talking about their impact. It was not just because device survived more. And I'm perfectly fine if people who didn't do what I did, and don't really have access to all the stats we have, can't really come to the same conclusion, but that's the nature of the job. In the end, the conclusion I had was that device's impact in the playoffs was underrated by his stats, while dupreeh's was overrated (neither by much, but enough for dupreeh to not be able to catch up -- and all that with playoff series being more imporant and having more maps than the group stage).

2018-11-12 18:47

Ty for clearing this out, really appreciate the work and looking forward to see more in depth stats added in the future.

2018-11-12 21:17

how the fuck....????

2018-11-12 01:16

#217

2018-11-12 08:41

Best joke ever

2018-11-12 01:21

#217

2018-11-12 08:42

Could've beem Xyp9x

2018-11-12 01:24

what a joke

2018-11-12 01:25

#217

2018-11-12 08:42

undeserved

2018-11-12 01:26

#217

2018-11-12 08:42

Deserved

2018-11-12 01:28

Ok nice bullshit

2018-11-12 01:28

#217

2018-11-12 08:42

It's painfully obvious at this point that HLTV is boosting device HARD for that #1 spot on the top20. First dupreeh gets robbed from the major MVP and now xyp9x gets robbed from this event MVP. What a complete and utter joke. Lost all respect for the staff that gives away these awards.

2018-11-12 01:32

#171

2018-11-12 05:15

#217

2018-11-12 08:42

#217

2018-11-12 09:22

Classic robbery

2018-11-12 01:32

Deserved (dupreeh).

2018-11-12 01:34

ez4top1of2018

2018-11-12 01:37

dup ahoo preeh

2018-11-12 01:38

Well deserved

2018-11-12 01:40

FOR WHAT HE IS MVP he was shit p.s. WITH RED STATS AHAHHA nice

2018-11-12 01:46

Navi never won at Chicago

2018-11-12 01:57

Astralis never won at home...

2018-11-12 04:30

Navi never win Epicenter right

2018-11-12 06:45

i mean they never won a single match xD

2018-11-12 11:00

Astralis never won @ Copenhagen

2018-11-12 06:43

i mean they never won a single match xD

2018-11-12 11:00

Who should have gotten it then?

2018-11-12 05:14

#217 I bet you didn't take any time to look at the other players stats

2018-11-12 08:43

#217

2018-11-12 09:22

xypx9 deserved it more

2018-11-12 01:47

+1 for sure.. He won more importen rounds

2018-11-12 02:31

#217

2018-11-12 08:43

#217

2018-11-12 09:22

device deserves. he had illness this year now he plays and at top level

2018-11-12 01:51

omega how xyp9x is real mvp

2018-11-12 02:13

Astralis lost only when device had red stats lol

2018-11-12 02:16

Which just increased the fact that he deserved that mvp.

2018-11-12 08:44

device will never be the best player on Astralis. It was always: 1. dupreeh 2. cajunb 3. Xyp9x 4. device 5. karrigan

2018-11-12 02:49

Yeah, we saw how astralis performed without him LUL

2018-11-12 02:50

That was not a sustainable playstyle. They'd be so easy to counter if they kept playing that lose style they used with standins

2018-11-12 08:45

Cajunb really, Device carry Dupreeh and Xyp9x when they are so bad in 2016 and still not be best, LMAO

2018-11-12 06:47

terrible bait but it worked lol

2018-11-12 14:56

wasnt a bait😂

2018-11-12 15:27

cajunb are you kidding me? he's literally a terrible player

2018-11-12 16:23

he was good

2018-11-12 17:09

In certain periods yes. But too inconsistent in the long run and limited skill to be honest and also had the chockes. He is not better than device or xyp

2018-11-12 18:22

karrigan is 5 device 4

2018-11-12 18:23

I know i know

2018-11-12 18:23

expected #1 in the world.

2018-11-12 02:58

device >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> s1mple by miles

2018-11-12 04:03

also mad s1mple fan are completely mad said that hltv boosted device but what about s1mple gets MVPs when electronic deserves its 100x more or navi didn't even tournament and boost1mple gets mvp kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

2018-11-12 04:06

Cry is free AXAXXAXAX mad cuz GOD s1mple Top1 Not like eco/exit fragger Coldzera, who #1 only in baiting

2018-11-12 04:19

There were 0 tournaments this year where electronic deserved MVP over s1mple. Try again. Also device deserved this MVP.

2018-11-12 05:14

Do people actually think this will change s1mple from number 1? Delusional. Hes literally having a record breaking year in multiple categories.

2018-11-12 05:13

Xyp9x is so deserved the MVP for this tournament. He's saved Ast so many times

2018-11-12 05:14

#217 He was close at getting it but device also saved them with consistent and impact performances in all their winning games and edged it from xyp.

2018-11-12 08:46

device is so fucking overrated. He has good stats only because he handles the awp in the best team but has zero impact. Simple and niko especially this tournament had had much more impact than device. For me he isn't even in the top 3

2018-11-12 05:49

Yeah but you can't give the mvp just based on the rating. s1mple had the highest rating but he played only 3 maps and Navi finished last place

2018-11-12 06:33

#217

2018-11-12 08:47

Haha, u're so funny HLTV. Seems legal. From now all these MVPs, top20 etc is a freaking joke. They created this stuff only for promoting device and the Danish scene, so HLTV could make more money.

2018-11-12 06:40

#217

2018-11-12 08:47

what a joke

2018-11-12 06:43

#217

2018-11-12 08:47

Hahahaha ecovice wins another trophy by baiting his team, whatever... this is just pure blasphemy

2018-11-12 06:44

#217

2018-11-12 08:47

WTF? Ok, f**k this shit website... All this statistics are based on the idea of making Device, undeserved, shameful top 1 in the history of the game. Already the fans of this player, say that he at least 2 MVP got undeservedly

2018-11-12 07:11

#217

2018-11-12 08:47

Another one for dev1ce

2018-11-12 07:23

Omg again for noob device. How many awo shots he misses. Xp9yx clutched so many. Dupreeh did entry. Pls stop it hltv.nooborg

2018-11-12 07:36

#217

2018-11-12 08:48

xyp robbed, imo. good stats overall and most importantly, the comeback on inferno against fnatic was made thanks to xyp and his multikills and clutches in late rounds

2018-11-12 07:55

#217

2018-11-12 08:48

Device worst shit player ever. Overrated like bot cristiano ronaldo

2018-11-12 08:09

#217

2018-11-12 08:48

I totally agree, I bet if you remove one good plr like xp9x or Dupreeh whole clan is dumb. Just that luckily most of the clans deformed recently, that's why such slump or most of the clans would beat astralis easily. They ain't so good.

2018-12-04 19:23

Even as an Astralis fan, this MVP award is quite "fake". It should have been Xyp9x or dupreeh getting it this time. It seems as if they try to push device to be able to compete with s1

2018-11-12 08:19

2018-11-12 08:37

#217 And so did device. As he said, dupreeh did poorly in several playoff games that they won like inferno vs fnatic and nuke vs mouz.

2018-11-12 08:50

hahahahaha xyp? Poor, poor xyp. About same stats while xyps frags were impact frags like all of them while device frags was bait, exit etc. Most undeserved MVP this year.

2018-11-12 08:55

#217

2018-11-12 09:18

Wrote this after I read #217 What's your point?

2018-11-12 09:53

#217

2018-11-12 10:51

#283

2018-11-12 10:51

There are so many negative people in this world, there are so many Jalux PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD. I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD HAVE ANY TIME OF ANYTHING OTHER THAN COUNTER STRIKE, HAVE EVERYTHING THAT DOES I HAVE HAPPY, You are getting drunk and will be very negative ,,,,,, IT IS GIFT FOR YOU.

2018-11-12 10:53

Wow, breathe and take an english lesson. Now I know why you answered with numbers, instead of words. Can someone explain to me what this kid just wrote? :b

2018-11-12 10:59

I think Magisk should have gotten it tbh, I saw the finale and while he did not always top stats he had huge impacts, xyp9x could have gotten it as well sure but if whole team play well it's Hard to say :) stat wise yea Dev1ce deserved it and I love Dev1ce.. But I think when a teammate finally have a good tournament as well then give him the MVP but I support their decision ofc

2018-11-12 09:19

no mvp for s1mple ??

2018-11-12 09:26

Are you even serious?

2018-11-12 10:52

yeah

2018-11-12 17:25

Wp hltv. Xyp mvp

2018-11-12 09:32

magisk was clear the MVP for this one, pathetic.

2018-11-12 09:45

xyp9x??? dupreeh??? magisk???? LOL again for botvice, hltv trying to make him got top 1 2018 player lul

2018-11-12 09:56

Even if I love device, this MVP and the major MVP where not deserved (dupreeh should have gotten major MVP and Xyp9x IEM Chicago). Device is definitely a top 5 player individually, i would say maybe even top 3. But he is not #1 (obviously it's s1mple). I don't think hltv will give the player of the year title to device because it would be too rediculous and most people would complain

2018-11-12 13:45

i will crush you get the fuck off my name

2018-11-12 22:17

Wtf do you mean?

2018-11-12 22:50

i hate your guts

2018-11-12 23:06

Alright keyboard warrior. We might share a similar name but doesn't mean we are related in any way. So now get out

2018-11-12 23:08

you changed your name today/yesterday when did i get popular enough to copy

2018-11-12 23:09

The Black sword is the sword of a character ( Carracks black sword) is a type of sword invented in Portugal and Mann is the German Form of man. Your "popularity" is just an illusion

2018-11-12 23:14

type the black swordsman into google and tell me what you see

2018-11-12 23:28

You are really completely in your own world. Do you think I don't know this character? I do. But there is a whole different story behind the Black sword en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carracks_black_s..

2018-11-12 23:32

hahahaahahahahaha

2018-11-12 23:33

Yeah that's what I thought

2018-11-12 23:33

1.15 rating mvp lmao

2018-11-12 10:06

2018-11-12 10:07

2018-11-12 10:52

2018-11-13 00:19

Magisk is the real MVP of this tournament.

2018-11-12 10:30

1.19 and he got MVP? LUL It's the rating of the worst games of S1mple.

2018-11-12 11:02

did s1mple win the tournement or did he place on 13-16th? stop acting like a braindead

2018-11-12 14:32

It's u r acting like and idiot. How personal award can be compared with the squad award? Just for ur info MVP = most valuable player. Did u get this?

2018-11-12 14:38

This is like discussing something with a biased brick. Do you really expect a player who placed 13-16th who had no real impact on the tournament, deserves to be the MVP? As you say yourself MVP is the most valuable player, how do you expect ANY player not even reaching the quarter finals to be valuable at a tournament? If anything, then dupreeh, twistzz or xyp9x should have it, but NEVER in a million years s1mple would win this MVP

2018-11-12 15:03

Impossible to discuss anything s1mple related with braindead ukranian simple fanboys

2018-11-12 15:05

and you think that you staying objective with this flair? LUL

2018-11-12 16:17

you got fucking rekt mate

2018-11-12 15:04

Rekt? Where? How can one player impact on the whole game to turn it to the win? What you talking about...when you are playing with the two players who are already 30+ years and one almost dead Flamie? Don't talk shit...Simple was a carrier in Liquid and he's still the best in Navi...put ur Dev1ce in Navi who he gonna be there? It's a player of one team who are playing his comfortable positions while all his teammates are making all their best to give him a space for his position? Did u even see S1mple's score on one of the most recent plays in FPL where he got 74 kills who else can give so much kills? And now look at this: screenpresso.com/=yeC0d and screenpresso.com/=rh3jf He's not even the 2nd. P.S. numbers never lie and it's a pure facts. /rekt /close

2018-11-12 16:27

Actually stopped reading after seeing " s1mple was a CARRIER in Liquid" LUL

2018-11-12 17:58

I'm happy for u...keep me posted about ur readings LUL

2018-11-12 18:04

U got rekt fanboy

2018-11-12 22:56

LUL kid is "rekt" only one word u know? Read the books it will increase ur intellect. And yea no need to thank me bb.

2018-11-13 00:19

Ukranian who can barely speak proper english is talking about being intellected, i have seen it all now mother

2018-11-13 15:32

how the books that are increasing ur intellect are related to the knowledge of English? BTW English word should be capitalized LUL. /close

2018-11-13 16:32

Ukranian who can barely speak proper english is talking about being intellected, i have seen it all now mother

2018-11-13 15:33

See above. You are uneducated kid LUL

2018-11-13 16:33

I am taking a master on one of the highest ranked business schools in the world, pretty sure im more educated than you'll ever be

2018-11-13 18:46

School is not the miracle tablet that would give u extra IQ. Keep in mind that u've made such an obvious mistake in such an easy word. Also, never say something to someone u've never met in a person. And yea I'm the technical lead in one of the top IT companies, I've visited a lot of countries and saw a lot of things u've never seen yet, talked with the most successful people in their field. So please don't be a real kid and stop this measurement by the dicks.

2018-11-14 09:54

S1mple got robbed :/

2018-11-12 11:35

s1mple got placed on 13-16th, do you seriously except a guy placing last in a tournament to win the freaking MVP? Fuck off, if anything then it should be dupreeh or xyp9x

2018-11-12 14:33

S1mple top 1 2018 though

2018-11-12 16:10

Well yes so far he is

2018-11-12 22:56

MVP formula is dead. How you can take TOTAL number of kills if players played different number of maps! You have to take average per map. In your formula those who played 2-1, 2-1, 2-1 will always be better, then those who won 2-0, 2-0, 2-0, just because they played more maps. LOL

2018-11-12 11:45

"How you can take TOTAL number of kills if players played different number of maps! You have to take average per map." No one wrote that this is a deciding factor behind an MVP choice. It's just one stat in which he was one of the best, for obvious reasons.

2018-11-12 15:43

lmao i thought it was bait at first sight but its not LUL

2018-11-12 11:55

Not deserved

2018-11-12 12:13

not deserved

2018-11-12 14:16

well deserved top1 2018 inc ECS and ESL pro league MVP inc simple top2 lul Choko top3 Coldzera top21 ez

2018-11-12 14:34

Dupreeh has deserved way more MVPs this year.

2018-11-12 15:05

#217 dupreeh wasnt in the running for this mvp