Denial sign Bravado quartet, coach

Four of the former Bravado players and the team's coach have joined Denial, while Dimitri "⁠Detrony⁠" Hadjipaschali decided to stay with the South African organization.

The news comes a couple of days after Bravado put up a Tweet asking people to stop donating to their crowdfunding campaign. Joining Denial will be Bravado's former coach Tiaan "⁠T.c⁠" Coertzen and all of the players except Detrony—whose brother Andreas "⁠cent⁠" Hadjipaschali is the CEO of the South African organization.

ELUSIVE and co. will now be representing Denial

According to Bravado's statement—titled "Project Destiny comes to an end"—, the crowdfunding campaign was on course to reach the target, but the players still decided to join another organization:

"It is important to mention, all players were notified that the campaign was on course to reach its target (at the time sitting at 60% of the fixed goal) as there was a corporate sponsor who was willing to pay in the case of any shortfall (40% of the fixed goal) for the organization in order to ensure the campaign was a success.

"Therefore, we want to make it clear that this decision was purely on the players to cancel the campaign and accept the offer they received from their new organization. We want you to know that this is no reflection on the ethics of the Bravado brand and its management. We want to ensure that everybody who contributed to the campaign will be refunded."

"On this note, the management would like to apologize on behalf of Bravado to all its fans, supporters and ESPECIALLY all the donors during it’s Indiegogo fund-raising campaign – management realizes how this can reflect badly on the organization, especially after the concerted effort of many high-profile players in the community coming together to assist us in reaching this goal."

In the past, Denial had allegedly been in payment troubles, with actions being taken against the CEO at the time as well.

However, after almost a year without a CS team, the organization resurfaced under new ownership at the end of 2018 with their first goal being to pay back the players what they owe. The South African squad will be Denial's first CS:GO team since the change of ownership.

Denial currently has four players and a coach:

South Africa Aran "⁠Sonic⁠" Groesbeek
South Africa Rhys "⁠Fadey⁠" Armstrong
South Africa Ruan "⁠ELUSIVE⁠" van Wyk
South Africa Johnny "⁠JT⁠" Theodosiou

South Africa Tiaan "⁠T.c⁠" Coertzen (coach)

South Africa Rhys 'Fadey' Armstrong
Rhys 'Fadey' Armstrong
Age:
23
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.98
Maps played:
303
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.74
South Africa Aran 'Sonic' Groesbeek
Aran 'Sonic' Groesbeek
Age:
22
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.19
Maps played:
348
KPR:
0.80
DPR:
0.63
South Africa Andreas 'cent' Hadjipaschali
Andreas 'cent' Hadjipaschali
Age:
34
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.83
Maps played:
14
KPR:
0.52
DPR:
0.63
South Africa Dimitri 'Detrony' Hadjipaschali
Dimitri 'Detrony' Hadjipaschali
Age:
30
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
363
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.65
South Africa Johnny 'JT' Theodosiou
Johnny 'JT' Theodosiou
Age:
22
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
297
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.67
South Africa Ruan 'ELUSIVE' van Wyk
Ruan 'ELUSIVE' van Wyk
Age:
28
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.97
Maps played:
365
KPR:
0.63
DPR:
0.63
South Africa Tiaan 'T.c' Coertzen
Tiaan 'T.c' Coertzen
Age:
29
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.84
Maps played:
44
KPR:
0.57
DPR:
0.69
pog missing detrony tho wtf
2019-01-29 00:37
50 replies
Denial eSports is back bois
2019-01-29 00:38
11 replies
#EZ4ENCE
2019-01-29 09:44
8 replies
I already know that #EZ4ENCE
2019-01-29 09:45
7 replies
good. very good, my child. I think that they are saving strats for major cus yesterday they lost in a MDL to mixwell's team. that's why they dropped to #14
2019-01-29 09:47
6 replies
They are just trolling because they want to unleash their full power at the major Ezpz
2019-01-29 09:48
5 replies
yes. you got it +1
2019-01-29 09:49
4 replies
Ence gonna lose atleast 2 players to a better paying org
2019-01-29 12:40
3 replies
I am not so sure about that. In Finland, we take eSports more seriously as a career. Ence esports takes good care of its players salary (In the documentary about ence Sergej said that he earns more than his mom and later revealed that it is above 40 000€ + its the best team in our country ++many of the players in this team can't go international due to their English. have you heard how much for example aerial has to put brainpower to come up with words. Also players in Ence are not very interested about money its about loyalty to a surtant extent PS. here is the doc with eng. subs areena.yle.fi/1-4315124
2019-01-29 12:55
2 replies
Really? Wasnt aware that esports has that good standkng. I thought u scandinavians were good at english
2019-01-29 12:53
1 reply
yeah i am surprised too, oh well they seem to be doing fine.
2019-01-29 12:56
0h y3s
2019-01-29 11:51
*esport
2019-01-29 13:14
Hes the only non snake smh
2019-01-29 00:39
15 replies
i read above that his brother is owner of bravado so thats why he stayed but yeah sad that they accepted another offer after the org did so much to try keep them in na
2019-01-29 00:42
7 replies
well I mean the whole point was for them to get known so project destiny worked I guess
2019-01-29 01:06
"did so much" - asking for handouts?
2019-01-29 01:09
they did jackshit to maintain then in NA, they basically held the players till the end and needed to ask donations, i knew from the start that they could have gone to another org but detrony was blocking the move
2019-01-29 01:41
3 replies
Yeah, probably this. Too bad for Detrony that is gonna sink with the ship and gonna go back to oblivion, while he could grow with the group in NA. But... choices!
2019-01-29 02:40
2 replies
+1
2019-01-29 09:49
They are not going anywhere anyways...they are a terrible team
2019-01-29 15:11
Bravado wouldn’t last too much in NA, as they were already depending on donations to keep the players playing there. Wise choice made by the players; also, happy they manage to find another org quickly.
2019-01-29 09:12
His brother is the ceo lol
2019-01-29 00:41
5 replies
Even then after everything everyone has done for them. Yhe donations yhe streams. yhe support, they say fuck it once the bill can be paid and jump ship. No wonder they didnt qualify for the major. I would have ATLEAST put in a fre more months of work with bravado over this. Not use their campaign to get enough clout to leave. And shit even if i did that i would only leave if the campaign failed. Smh i feel especially sorry for fallen. He has to refund thousands of dollars to individual people
2019-01-29 00:45
4 replies
He won't do that because he did stream yesterday in order to grab resourcers for the Brumadinho disaster that just happened in Brazil. I'm quite sure that at some point he's gonna tell people that he will donate the Bravado's ammount to the Brumadinho cause and no one will complain about it.
2019-01-29 00:54
2 replies
#68
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Brazil OGApol0
It would be pretty good
2019-01-29 01:33
No, the money from Bravado's donations will return directly to the accounts of the ones who donated, FalleN said that in a tweet response. The Project Destiny donations never went to fallen, he linked those directly to their account.
2019-01-29 01:43
Fallen set the stream donation button so that the donations would go directly to Bravado's account. So if Bravado is to give back the money, it would go straight back to who donated, not gonna go though Fallen.
2019-01-29 02:42
#32
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Netherlands tkm666
Not a snake for that, what Bravado tried to do was amazing, its unfortunate the money could not be made. I think Denial picking them up is great, well deserved cant wait to see what they can do with whoever else.
2019-01-29 00:45
No detrony no major 😎😎😎
2019-01-29 00:40
10 replies
i mean they didnt make major anyway lmao
2019-01-29 00:40
8 replies
No detrony no major 😎😎😎
2019-01-29 00:41
7 replies
But with detrony no major as well, what a limbo
2019-01-29 02:43
6 replies
No detrony no major 😎😎😎
2019-01-29 05:21
5 replies
I think you have some brain damage. kappa
2019-01-29 09:45
4 replies
i think No detrony no major 😎😎😎
2019-01-29 10:59
3 replies
so it's mean that they cannot win the major?
2019-01-29 12:40
2 replies
LMAOO
2019-01-29 12:50
No detrony no major 😎😎😎
2019-01-29 14:28
+1
2019-01-29 01:10
Blackpoison in 3...2...1
2019-01-29 01:16
8 replies
#71
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South Africa CRMN1
I wish, but doubt it will happen. Blackpoison was already known for being toxic back in South Africa and I don't think they really like each other. Hope to be wrong tho, but I'm almost certain they'll sign some FPL/rank s freak.
2019-01-29 01:40
6 replies
They all speak english as a native language. There are plenty of options on NA for them if they choose so.
2019-01-29 02:44
5 replies
#103
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United States stotte
Idk man. Cultural differences. There's a reason Bravado succeeded where all the NA bots stayed behind. They'll be better off getting another ZA talent
2019-01-29 03:57
4 replies
There's that. But we can see an example in Stewie going to mibr. Not saying that's a success case but anyway... there are several precedents hahahaha
2019-01-29 05:38
3 replies
#123
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South Africa Wick_ed
Tbh, I hope it's Domsterr... Before bvd went to NA, the best South African player was between Sonic and Domsterr. The guy's an aim god! He was the only player that could compete on a regular basis vs the ex-Bvd roster. He legit 30 bombed every single map vs them.
2019-01-29 05:53
2 replies
they need an awper tho unless one of them switches to full time. sonic fadey and jt seems untouchable to me so that only leaves elusive to get cut and get domsterr. id still say they will get an na awper. would be awesome if they get sico from tainted minds tho.
2019-01-29 08:57
1 reply
#142
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South Africa Wick_ed
Sonic and JT have decent awp consistency. Only really big awper other than Detrony is Blackpoison, not so sure thats happening. I rate they put Sonic on main awp, JT secondary and then add Domsterr as one of the entry duo with Fadey.
2019-01-29 09:14
lol no
2019-01-29 10:12
#135
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France kyojiNs
Now bring tarik!!
2019-01-29 08:56
Detrony wont leave his brother the owner of BVD they will simply start over now and build a new team.
2019-01-29 10:12
1
2019-01-29 00:37
1 reply
nt
2019-01-29 00:38
unexpected
2019-01-29 00:37
RIP Denial org is fucking shit
2019-01-29 00:38
9 replies
um they had a change in ownership, basically a different org
2019-01-29 00:39
1 reply
new owner is still shady, he owned a different brand apparently and didn't always pay
2019-01-29 01:41
At least Denial is giving the chance to them to keep playing in the US
2019-01-29 01:04
6 replies
they would have stayed in the USA with BVD any way.
2019-01-30 08:46
5 replies
#238
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South Africa LKTiburon
for what? another 3 months and then they'd have to crowdfund again because management can't do their job?
2019-01-30 10:12
4 replies
you know nothing man LOL the 3 months was the short fall they could not cover so they could not cover 3 months of the year not only fund 3 month in the year. Fact is they picked a small salary (they probably wont get with Deniels record) over loyalty. "Management" i.e Cent gave them everything he could. educate yourself before talking man I know a lot of these guys personally and have told some of them they are chops for doing this but hay they made there bed.
2019-01-30 11:21
3 replies
#240
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South Africa LKTiburon
You're wrong about that. After x amount of time they would have been out of money. They simply would have had to crowdfund again. No, they picked security over a sense of loyalty. This is a gaming organisation and a business. They don't want to sit there having to play with the stress of being in debt, struggling to fund the house they're living in. Struggling with a food allowance of R625 a week etc. Yes, Andreas gave them everything he could, which is not enough. You know a lot of them personally? So go ask them (Aran, Ruan, Rhys, Tiaan and Johnny) whether BvD fully covered their costs and expenses. Go ask them whether Andreas took all the opportunities presented to him in securing actual sponsors, not handouts! Although someone stupid enough to type "..but hay they made there bed."- is probably lying in the first place. Saying they should choose a sense of friendship over their future just shows how stupid you guys are...
2019-01-30 11:35
2 replies
Do you know them personally ? I do I know everything you are simply wrong please dont argue for the sake of arguing . The fact is why they asked for help just like MIBR did back in the day why because nothing is for nothing and BVD didnt want to sell out and become some Org that is dictated to by there sponsors. But the boys will find this out now the hard way with lots of sell out deals and stuff they didnt have to do under BVD fact is they wanted it to be real its about to get very real and they dont realize that BVD was just trying to get them to the top without selling out but hay thats what you get for doing whats best for people and having the boys best interests in mind
2019-02-05 07:56
1 reply
#249
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South Africa LKTiburon
Rofl you don't know what you're talking about. Andreas didn't avoid "selling out", he couldn't line up sponsors because he's ineffective. Go ask Andreas what his opening line was when emailing or contacting sponsors. You don't know everything, I do know them personally. Go ask them whether they had to pay for their Sweden flights and Swedish accommodation. Ask them whether R625 a week for food is enough in USA. Ask them whether the pcs supplied to them was up to scratch and whether they had to buy upgrades themselves. Bro I skype called with these gents for hours. Spoke on the phone to them for hours. When they came down in October we sat down and spoke for hours. These are facts that Andreas and people like you won't admit since it would sully the BVD name. I notice you claim to know the 5 that left, but you're still a supporter of BVD, which means you're probably a fan of Andreas and don't know them personally at all. Dumb fucks like you that say stuff like "selling out" makes me sick. They made a decision for their future. The only person who should feel bad is Detrony for fucking himself over, possibly ruining the future of 5 teammates and letting his family/organisation down for not taking SA to greater heights.
2019-02-08 11:52
#5
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Denmark Jimz2740
Expected !
2019-01-29 00:38
+blackpoisoN? o0
2019-01-29 00:38
4 replies
+2
2019-01-29 00:48
#46
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Australia SteveAnoos
+3
2019-01-29 01:04
1 reply
+4, the only thing that matters now.
2019-01-29 02:38
+5😎
2019-01-29 11:03
ayyy new life
2019-01-29 00:38
Next ibuypower
2019-01-29 00:38
isn't this the org that doesn't pay the players salaries
2019-01-29 00:38
5 replies
read the article jesus
2019-01-29 00:39
"The South African squad will be Denial's first CS:GO team since the change of ownership." Did you just scroll down & post comment? lol
2019-01-29 00:40
3 replies
i read and still got 1st flexing on all these plebs
2019-01-29 00:41
1 reply
Peculiar flex but acceptable.
2019-01-29 17:25
lol
2019-01-29 00:41
Rip
2019-01-29 00:38
Wonder whos gonna be the IGL tho. Tarik? lol
2019-01-29 00:40
1 reply
Jt has igl for them in the past
2019-01-29 01:16
###Respect Detrony
2019-01-29 00:40
We'll see how it turns out Overall this doesn't seem like a bad thing although I do wonder who the fifth will be
2019-01-29 00:41
4 replies
#35
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Finland FRGVN
blackpoisoN
2019-01-29 00:45
3 replies
Was he the one on the squad when they played at the major?
2019-01-29 12:19
1 reply
yea
2019-01-29 17:19
Dont do drugs kids. There are 40 better players available in SA and 10000000 in the USA there is Zero chance of Robby playing as the 5th.
2019-01-30 08:48
DENIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL
2019-01-29 00:41
Bravado players = 🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍
2019-01-29 00:42
Expected. Although detrony not going will be a hit to the roster
2019-01-29 00:43
Unexpected
2019-01-29 00:44
#31
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Canada Sw1m
RIP Bravado
2019-01-29 00:45
Oh shit I forgot about denial as a org. Haven’t seen them in atleast a year or so.
2019-01-29 00:45
3 replies
Ofc not after the previous owner had owed thousands to many former players from different esport titles.
2019-01-29 01:31
and then he just decided to vanish soon after until he gave up the CEO position.
2019-01-29 01:34
1 reply
Damn didn’t know that.
2019-01-29 03:55
#36
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Brazil soubarney
Abandoning a successful fundraiser to join a broken org AND leave one player behind. Stupid in so many levels. No way I'll be supporting them from now on, specially knowing that their goal was going to be achieved.
2019-01-29 00:46
16 replies
+1, I would understand this if they were not sure that they will reach the goal, but this? Looks stupid
2019-01-29 00:56
#48
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Brazil yalamix
+1
2019-01-29 01:03
#58
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United States query_
As stated in the press release from Bravado, I can personally confirm that the fixed crowd funding was confirmed and 100% to go as one of their sponsors would have paid the deficit and this was known to all players. The unfortunate part of it was that the crowd-funding (after many peoples efforts and help) had to be cancelled during the campaign as the players accepted the offer from Denial E-Sports.
2019-01-29 01:17
#75
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South Africa CRMN1
They didn't leave one behind, Detrony himself left the team move onwards because his brother owns Bravado Gaming. Nothing but respect for him for sticking with his brother, but at the same time you can't blame the quartet for pursuing their dreams. Also, Bravado org wanted this lineup to be successful and I'm pretty sure that even under other organizations they'll be cheering for them to put RSA in the map.
2019-01-29 01:47
3 replies
#80
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Spain Silber_
Cooper ejem ejem
2019-01-29 02:12
#86
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Brazil soubarney
Yeah, after reading their twitter's follow-up it looks like they parted ways in good terms. That's good to hear, but still looks like a bad decision, unless Denial's deal is crazy good.
2019-01-29 02:43
1 reply
#96
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South Africa CRMN1
I don't know... Denial has been a problematic org in the past but at the same time this Bravado project was a short term project. Pretty sure that a while from now, probably within the next year they'd have to go through the same funding problem to keep them in the US and it's normal that the team wants stability so they can fully focus on their development. This is a nerve wracking situation to be on as a player I imagine. I feel sad that Bravado and Detrony are now in a bad spot but as part South African I'm really happy that the team managed to somehow keep competing in the US region and hopefully they reach their goals. EDIT: Their offer was probably too good for the standards of Bravado.
2019-01-29 03:40
#77
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Argentina MrRioKai
A- Denial has a new ownership, in other words, a different structure B- the missing player left the team by himself C- u dont read the article lol
2019-01-29 01:54
Sadly +1 This could undermine the crowdfunding movement going forward so this decision's just so grim
2019-01-29 05:22
#152
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South Africa LKTiburon
You don't know what's going on. Bvd players were often forced to pay for their own flights and accommodation. They've been living off rice and beans the past months because BvD isn't paying for food even. In the year it took the players to reach world #21, Detrony's brother has done nothing to get proper sponsors. BvD is an AWFUL organization, this is long overdue.
2019-01-29 09:53
6 replies
#163
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South Africa SchizzYbb
I'd love to know where you get this info from my dude, it's quite clear you know nothing about the working of Bravado. They didn't pay for their flights or anything lol. Please provide me with some incite to this statement as it seems like a troll xD
2019-01-29 11:32
4 replies
Hello detronys brother XD
2019-01-29 12:42
#225
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South Africa LKTiburon
I get so tired of these okes that live in SA, have never spoken to a single BVD member in their life, but somehow think they're privy to the inner workings of the organisation, because they support the team and the players look happy when they show face. If BVD was so financially sound, why did they have to resort to crowd-funding to maintain what they're doing, not to expand it. It means they don't have the money to keep doing it. Which means players had to dig into their own pockets to cover tons of things. Ticket to Sweden was partially paid for and accommodation wasn't paid for at all. They receive R45k a month for food between 6 people. That's R625 per person per week for food. That's not enough to survive in South Africa, let alone USA. The first 2 months everything went great, pretty soon it changed into players having to self-fund and the organisation flat out refusing to pay. They'll often receive information telling them "we're only willing to pay X for this flight" and then have to magically find money elsewhere. That and despite that the players don't receive a salary in BVD, the organisation takes a player's cut of the winnings.
2019-01-29 19:44
2 replies
#226
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South Africa SchizzYbb
You're actually a joke xD you literally know nothing it's crazy. I can clearly see you know nothing when i actually know the bravado guys that went to Denial. One of which i have been playing with for over 5 years. You're incredibly wrong. You also never read the article. You're quite the pathetic meme
2019-01-29 19:54
1 reply
#227
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South Africa LKTiburon
I'm personal friends with 1 of them going on 13 years now. Literally sat down in a restaurant talking about every single detail I mentioned above with them. I don't have them on my Steam and send them fangay messages once a week and now I think I've made it like you. I know them personally and have spoken to them about this. This was coming from about 3-4 months ago before dreamhack winter in October I had them look me in the eye and say "If things don't change we're leaving." If you truly know this person you claim for 5 years, message him on Steam right now and ask him whether they had to drop 7 grand each on flights to Sweden out of their own pockets and message them on whether they had to pay for their hotel in Europe.
2019-01-29 20:09
#232
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South Africa KW^
lol... just lol. I too would love to know where you got this information from, - but on a side note, who's your dealer man?
2019-01-30 01:36
#38
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United States Burnzie
Denial going to be the South African Renegades?
2019-01-29 00:49
not sure what to think as a bravado fan. i summon detrony to hltv comments to tell me
2019-01-29 00:50
2 replies
#45
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World Notb8ing
2019-01-29 01:00
#91
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South Africa PWe
I'm also a massive Bravado fan, but hoping for the best. Denial is an American organization so maybe it can bring some good opportunities to the boys. I'm on the train all the way.
2019-01-29 02:56
"who's brother Andreas "cent" Hadjipaschali is the CEO" who is brother.. really HLTV?
2019-01-29 00:52
1 reply
Its not that hard
2019-01-29 01:20
#42
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United Kingdom Mumbles!
Shame to see the players turn their backs on what appears to be a great org. Lost alot of respect from everyone for that.
2019-01-29 00:55
8 replies
#92
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Myanmar xdcc
> Great org > Unable to secure funding > Asking for donations in return for nothing > Calling out players because it might reflect badly on organisation even though they put themselves in that situation > Nepotism is great! Pick 1
2019-01-29 03:09
7 replies
in this case pick 1 doesn't make sense because i can just pick the great org option. imgur.com/a/1KPx4Bu
2019-01-29 03:39
1 reply
#101
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Myanmar xdcc
Yes you can sadly it won't be bravado xaxaxa
2019-01-29 03:48
You kinda miss the point, let me elaborate: > yep > yep > ...and succeeding in that, not only making money, but also earning fans for they're also the first org to perform such kind of a publicity stunt > their wording is very soft and I would say professional, they don't even call names, consider yourself in a situation with such an unexpected move and having to deal with the crowdfunded money and your brand reputation > not sure what you mean by that, but any proof that detrony's relation to the owner was anyhow harmful to the team or that it was org who encouraged detrony to stay (which is not so)? Overall, love it how they call the org "a family" but still leave it without any apparent reason just in time the org got sufficient funding ALONGSIDE fans for them
2019-01-29 05:43
4 replies
Detrony's brother is CEO ez clap
2019-01-29 06:30
2 replies
u mean wat
2019-01-29 09:05
1 reply
nvm, i misunderstood you
2019-01-29 09:06
#181
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Myanmar xdcc
The problem with detrony is he already picked his brother (bravado) over his team. Wouldn't be surprised if he had influence over them to remain in bravado in the first place and do this crowdfunding as opposed to leaving to join a more stable organisation. Also what happens after they run out of money? Do they ask again? Also this "family" attitude is exactly why it's wrong. Players are put in these awkward positions where they have to sacrifice themselves for organisations because "family". Just like VP "family" kicked taz when things got sour. It's business nothing more and this toxic attitude happens in soccer too when good players waste their careers because they get convinced it's family. Also crowdfunding isn't entirely new thing. People crowdfunded fallens old team for them to attend an event (flusha helped).
2019-01-29 14:12
#44
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Israel TimeDani
Inb4 next few month they get their rostered drop
2019-01-29 00:59
Good professionalism by Bravado and GL to the SA players!
2019-01-29 01:03
Expected from fake N words.
2019-01-29 01:06
lost all respect I had for ex-bravado
2019-01-29 01:07
#55
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Europe respectME
What about the money they got from the donations so far?
2019-01-29 01:12
1 reply
Will be refunded
2019-01-29 01:24
has denial even paid past teams yet?
2019-01-29 01:21
4 replies
Did you even read the article?
2019-01-29 01:25
Read the article idiot brain.
2019-01-29 01:35
2 replies
LOL okay dumb NA
2019-01-29 03:17
1 reply
Nice you just self owned yourself with irony.
2019-01-29 03:46
#61
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Poland xkhao
Kind of a dick move from the 4 players to be honest.
2019-01-29 01:23
Clever, because the fundraiser money will run out eventually, again. Now they have a stay in US for period X guaranteed.
2019-01-29 01:29
Okay. Cool. Gl.
2019-01-29 01:39
#76
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Ukraine Astrali5
Detrony = markeloff
2019-01-29 01:47
1 reply
Denial markeloff
2019-01-29 05:24
Detrony :(
2019-01-29 02:02
Gl
2019-01-29 02:02
#81
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United Kingdom alcaz4r
denial stickers on a howl would be pretty nice
2019-01-29 02:14
3 replies
You have to qualify for a major to get stickers though
2019-01-29 05:24
2 replies
#140
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United Kingdom alcaz4r
well furia did it, nice stickers as well, so probably any half decent team could do it
2019-01-29 09:11
1 reply
they could probably make it as long as they get 3rd at the americas minor and north gets 3rd in the eu minor
2019-01-30 00:15
#82
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United States xiquo
subroza in denial?
2019-01-29 02:31
Dick move, lost all my respect for them.
2019-01-29 02:47
3 replies
#119
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South Africa Wick_ed
Yes and no... they had to, being part of a NA org helps their visa situation. Also for South African sponsors/orgs its way too expensive to survive there thanks to how weak the South African Rand is compaired to the Dollar.
2019-01-29 05:36
2 replies
They got visibility with the donations a they could survive another season and try to get sponsors from NA. Maybe the Visa situation is true, but they are leaving a solid organization to enter a new winterfox. Sooner or later they won't get paid or will be kicked.
2019-01-29 05:53
1 reply
#125
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South Africa Wick_ed
Yeah its difficult, also the money was just to keep them there for 3 or 4 more months...
2019-01-29 05:55
I think this was only a short term project but the org managed to keep them in the US for a lot longer than originally expected.
2019-01-29 02:49
nice
2019-01-29 03:15
#95
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India Tritium
cool
2019-01-29 03:34
crowdfunding scam LUL
2019-01-29 03:39
Why detrony bro
2019-01-29 03:40
1 reply
Cuz Detrony is founder of Bravado. He don't wanna leave from his founded org.
2019-01-29 05:22
Nice for them
2019-01-29 04:06
gz
2019-01-29 04:08
if they are refunding, that means Fallen is also getting a refund, how is he going to refund the people that donated in his stream?
2019-01-29 04:15
6 replies
He wont 😎
2019-01-29 05:23
He linked his donations directly to bravado's. They will be refunded.
2019-01-29 05:49
4 replies
How?
2019-01-29 06:26
3 replies
Well, by simply being returned to the people that sent them.
2019-01-29 08:13
2 replies
I bet that it's a lot of them 😎
2019-01-29 08:28
1 reply
So what, you think it's impossible?
2019-01-29 14:48
why they exclude Detrony ?
2019-01-29 04:41
1 reply
Cuz Detrony is founder of Bravado. He don't wanna leave from his org.
2019-01-29 05:21
+tarik
2019-01-29 05:25
Damn, this kind of sucks because they were a good team.
2019-01-29 05:26
Denial Karrigan or Denial TaRiK
2019-01-29 05:27
Denial stealing players and these 5 are noobs for leaving Bravado. I seriously hope they loose every comp they enter.
2019-01-29 05:34
Such an overhyped lineup. Maybe one of these players will be a bit successful in the international scene, but that's it
2019-01-29 06:44
1 reply
Still better than most of na MDL teams
2019-01-29 06:46
Expected from dimitri
2019-01-29 06:57
#131
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Poland BAN_ANIME
good choice i guess
2019-01-29 07:03
lol bravado management acting like everything was fine. they had to extend the fundraising to even get to 60%. and "the sponsor" who would've paid the remaining 40% would've probably just been FalleN. So then they would have had secured salary for the next 3 months in NA, and then probably the same problems again. I totally understand that the players chose a seemingly saver option.
2019-01-29 07:58
#139
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South Africa jaczerdio
It's sad to see as Bvd really advanced the SA scene. I really just hope that denial keeps their end of the deal. Sorry Detrony. You will be missed from the lineup.
2019-01-29 09:08
1 reply
He is going to build a new team when your brother is the owner of the org your in you don't just leave him high and dry
2019-01-29 10:14
We don't mind paying extra for the guac 🥑 xD
2019-01-29 09:23
bravado or denial between a rock and a hard place :)
2019-01-29 09:36
+blackpoison please
2019-01-29 10:29
So the team that needs money to stay in the states signs with an org with a thorough history of money issues and not paying players, the irony is palpable...
2019-01-29 11:02
1 reply
#177
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Brazil ToupixBr
The org has a new management, and the first thing this new management did was be sure that the old players would be paid
2019-01-29 13:01
#160
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Denmark pistolen
Last time we saw detroney
2019-01-29 11:23
1 reply
Nope
2019-01-29 12:46
ok now + tarik
2019-01-29 11:28
#162
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Ukraine beazztov
Brovado logo >>>>> Denial logo
2019-01-29 11:30
1 reply
+1
2019-01-29 14:35
#164
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Finland nexustron
For anyone wondering why Detrony didn't join, it is because he is an owner, or a co-owner of the bravado Gaming brand, so he basically owns the team (at least some % of it)
2019-01-29 11:46
#167
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Kazakhstan Mus1kkk
-elusive +tarik +jdm Ez top 15
2019-01-29 12:20
Detrony is sick though
2019-01-29 12:45
They must be in denial if they think this will work.
2019-01-29 14:11
#182
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Denmark Zorrondo
tier 7 daily new
2019-01-29 14:12
#183
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Asia Blitzer
denial is a shit org with shady rep bad move for them
2019-01-29 14:20
Denial jajjajajaa
2019-01-29 14:24
Denial is a lame org. Don't like how this went down. No longer a fan of this lot.
2019-01-29 16:01
4 replies
#242
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South Africa BrucieBoi
oh no, they did something they thought would be best for their future and lost a gold nove 3 fan.
2019-01-31 16:04
3 replies
Im sure they will be fine with Denial LOLOLOL #bad
2019-01-31 16:26
2 replies
PS. was only a fan of seeing people escape south africa LOL
2019-01-31 16:27
#246
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South Africa BrucieBoi
denial is under new management though and the new owner seems like a good guy so far so we will see :)
2019-01-31 16:57
#190
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Poland Kobel_
Damn, that put Detrony in a really shitty spot To have to make a choice between turning his back on a brother or staying loyal and risking his career
2019-01-29 17:15
2 replies
#243
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South Africa BrucieBoi
not really, detrony just missed his gf too much if you look at his correspondence with her while they where apart you could see it happening if you had half brain. denial could be a permanent move and that no good for he dik
2019-01-31 16:06
1 reply
#247
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Poland Kobel_
Didn't know about it
2019-01-31 17:18
ez
2019-01-29 17:18
GL Mr Detrony, your loyalty has to be admired.
2019-01-29 21:01
Where is detrony
2019-01-30 00:26
#234
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Brazil sprk1
wow, what a fucking backstabbers... damn
2019-01-30 03:33
bad end, but good luck
2019-01-30 05:49
Wtf is detrony doing loool
2019-01-30 15:19
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