kioShiMa: "Cloud9? It was a big mess, to be honest; I think we did good, given the circumstances"

Fabien "kioShiMa" Fiey reflects on his turbulent tenure with Cloud9, the lessons he learned from his time in North America, and what the future might hold.

Being on the sidelines is by now a familiar story for kioShiMa, who has spent a large part of the last two years waiting for offers to get back into the game. Once a key member of the French team that won a series of international titles between 2014 and 2016 under LDLC and Envy, most notably two Major crowns, he has struggled to find the same level of success since his career took him to international projects.

After a disappointing period with FaZe during which the team won just one title and he found himself in and out of the starting lineup, and a short-lived stint back home with Envy, the offer to play for Cloud9 - even if temporarily - was an enticing prospect for kioShiMa, who had earlier in his career passed up on the chance to move to North America.

kioShiMa was released by Cloud9 after the Katowice Major

The romance quickly became serious as he was offered a permanent contract after just one event as a stand-in, but it came to an abrupt end following the IEM Katowice Major. His time with the North American team was not always smooth - he attended his first four events with as many different lineup combinations -, but there were still positives to take, such as a second place at the ELEAGUE Invitational and a top-14 finish at the IEM Katowice Major after the team had to adapt to a new in-game system under Robin "flusha" Rönnquist.

"I think we did good, given the circumstances," kioShiMa told HLTV.org in an interview conducted last month. "It was a big mess, to be honest, from having to change players every tournament because of stand-in issues to Golden being out for medical issues. We never really knew what was going on and how the future would be so we did the best we could.

"I liked the way of discovering new things, living in North America for a little bit was for sure an experience. I had to balance the gaming aspect and the life that had stayed in Europe. The hardest part was the time zone difference when I had to communicate with my family and my girlfriend."

Under normal circumstances, the placing in Katowice meant that Cloud9 would have a spot at the following Major. However, with kioShiMa’s removal, the team could no longer field the majority of the roster that had competed in Poland (Jordan "Zellsis" Montemurro and flusha had previously departed the squad), forcing them to go through the grueling qualifying stages.

Many times, we have seen teams keep players just for the sake of Major spots, so I asked kioShiMa if he was surprised at the timing of his dismissal as the team risked missing out on a Major. “I do not know if it surprised me, but it was an interesting decision as why would you keep playing if the players did not believe that the roster would be good enough?,” he said. “If they are going for the win, why not take the risk to go through the Minor as you should, if your mentality is to win the tournament? You need to deserve to be there, so going through the Minor will be the ‘deserving factor’." (The North Americans have since failed to qualify for the Minor after being eliminated in the closed bracket).

The second place at the ELEAGUE Invitational was one of the high points of kioShiMa's time with Cloud9

Cloud9 eventually completed their roster with Daniel "vice" Kim and René "cajunb" Borg, but before that they were reportedly keen on signing Danish duo Kristian "k0nfig" Wienecke and Jakob "JUGi" Hansen. The uncertainty surrounding the team was experienced by kioShiMa himself, who claims that he was left in the dark during the whole process.

“It was a big cloud, I did not have many conversations with the team,” he explained. “I was left in a place where I never knew what was happening. It went back and forth, someone would tell me that I could be flying on this date, and one day later someone else would tell me that we were talking to this person and that person. So it was a big mess from my point of view.

“Even now we can see that they are still looking for what is best for them, they still do not know. They still haven't found the right balance and that was the biggest issue that we had. We kept trying new people - players and coaches -, it was never-ending. It feels like you are going nowhere as you do not have a stable roster to build [upon].”

The decision-making process behind Cloud9’s revamping has reignited the discussion about whether players have too big a say when it comes to making lineup decisions - something that current FaZe coach Janko "YNk" Paunović had complained about in an interview with HLTV.org during his final days with MIBR.

Following the announcement of his departure, kioShiMa wrote on Twitter that an "organisation does not always agree with the players’ choice" - comments that were construed as criticism of his former teammates, especially as he was publicly praised by Cloud9 owner Jack Etienne for being a “true professional in an industry that often lacks character.”

“I will not go too much into detail about this situation, but one thing I can say with experience is that organisations need to take more control over what happens in a team," kioShiMa said. "The power should not be held by players but by the management - the coach together with the manager.

“They have a better opinion overall and a better understanding of what is going inside the team without going into conflicts or making the atmosphere worse, which could lead to a player wanting to remove someone because they dislike each other for a reason that would not exist in the first place if they did not have that kind of power.

“In my opinion, it would also remove some pressure from the players, who would be able to perform at their best as they would have to focus only on the game."

The conversation then switches to the criticism that kioShiMa has faced in recent years from former teammates and analysts over his mentality and work ethic. He has earned a reputation for being a problematic player, but that label does not seem to bother him in the slightest; in fact, he has come to publicly embrace it on social media. As I point out that he averaged a 1.12 LAN rating with Cloud9 in 2019, he explained that he tends to play his best game when he feels comfortable and fully integrated into a system.

kioShiMa continues to play regularly as he waits for his phone to ring

"I usually put in a lot of hours when I’m playing in a team as I want my team to win and to beat everyone else, no exception,” he argued. "I am a player who will perform depending on the atmosphere in the team, without having people angry at each other and keeping things to themselves as it affects the whole dynamic of a squad, but instead talking a bit more with the other players. I love playing in a team when you’re like a unit and everyone goes in the same direction."

The Frenchman has had a few offers on the table since leaving Cloud9 but none interesting enough to entice him. "I do not believe in the projects that I have been offered to join," he said. With the doors of Vitality and G2 closed to him at the moment as both teams seem to have stabilised, kioShiMa wants to go international again. However, it is only a matter of time before his journey eventually goes full circle. "I will finish my career in a French team."

These days, kioShiMa is seen streaming FPL almost on a daily basis. He is also following a training and diet plan - something that he believes would be impossible if he were playing competitively due to the long practice hours. He is in no rush to commit himself to a team as he wants to wait for the right opportunity (prospective teams can contact him by email). Being more patient, he noted, is perhaps the biggest lesson that he learned from his time with the North American team. "I have told myself to never go into a project in which I do not believe, and this is why I am currently not playing. I will stay in shape and I will keep playing. You never know what will happen in CS:GO, a lot can happen in a really short amount of time."

United States Jordan 'Zellsis' Montemurro
Jordan 'Zellsis' Montemurro
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
469
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.15
Denmark René 'cajunb' Borg
René 'cajunb' Borg
Age:
29
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
1386
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.13
United States Daniel 'vice' Kim
Daniel 'vice' Kim
Age:
23
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.00
Maps played:
493
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.14
Denmark Jakob 'JUGi' Hansen
Jakob 'JUGi' Hansen
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.11
Maps played:
812
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.61
APR:
0.11
Sweden Robin 'flusha' Rönnquist
Robin 'flusha' Rönnquist
Age:
25
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
1447
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.18
Serbia Janko 'YNk' Paunović
Janko 'YNk' Paunović
Age:
27
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.97
Maps played:
116
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.70
APR:
0.13
Denmark Kristian 'k0nfig' Wienecke
Kristian 'k0nfig' Wienecke
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
1011
KPR:
0.76
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.13
France Fabien 'kioShiMa' Fiey
Fabien 'kioShiMa' Fiey
Age:
24
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
1170
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.15
#3
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United States anliaa 
C9 joke
2019-06-18 00:32
"I was jobless for this???" Best joke
2019-06-18 00:33
Jobless in EU >>>> living in NA with good pay
2019-06-18 00:41
+1
2019-06-18 00:42
#86
gAuLeS | 
Liechtenstein KotoPRO 
jobless in favela slums brazil >>>>> NA
2019-06-18 03:02
+1
2019-06-18 03:04
#185
YEKINDAR | 
China lxxl 
+1
2019-06-18 22:00
EZ4ENCE
2019-06-18 04:52
You have obviously not lived in the US or Canada lol
2019-06-18 00:52
US in a nutshell : loans , bills , mcdonalds , no money. Not sure about Canada tho , but about US , yes.
2019-06-18 02:42
#88
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Canada zxcvcxz 
Canada is the same but slightly better in every way
2019-06-18 03:09
#96
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Denmark sNju 
Canada is a lot like the EU, the other guy is just clueless.
2019-06-18 04:22
Canada is gr8/10
2019-06-18 07:07
I don't live in Canada, but my impression was that it was much better than the U.S.
2019-06-19 00:35
#201
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Canada zxcvcxz 
it is, but it's essentially the same thing but upgraded
2019-06-19 00:52
loans , bills , mcdonalds , no money. this is only if you are too dumb to even finish highschool end you are one of the people working at the mcdonalds :D:D:D
2019-06-18 05:02
I always find it best, when insulting others intelligence, to spell check your posts.
2019-06-18 07:39
I don't spell check on HLTV, even if I make a typo like this 90% of the people won't notice it - it's a waste of time.
2019-06-18 14:38
Typical braindead murican. Why , thinking , do , you , Europe , english , priority , is ? Is your main goal in life learning perfect spanish / danish / german ? If no , so stop f... act like autocorrect.
2019-06-18 22:09
Lmao, somebody knows nothing
2019-06-18 09:21
Have u even been in the US?
2019-06-18 21:58
#147
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Bulgaria coolmen1 
dude you are living in land of poisonous spiders and shit
2019-06-18 09:21
You're living in country full of gypsies , how's that different?
2019-06-18 22:03
#190
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Bulgaria coolmen1 
gypsies are like 1/10 of the population and we bully them so its ok and not all of them will kill you with their poison
2019-06-18 22:38
Of course , they'll use knife/gun rather.
2019-06-18 22:40
#192
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Bulgaria coolmen1 
you havent even seen a gipsy irl
2019-06-18 22:41
that's a bulgarian flag
2019-06-21 21:38
Wrong country lmao
2019-06-18 22:55
+1
2019-06-24 07:22
#49
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Canada StanleyLy 
Lol Canada is considered one of the best places to live in the world.
2019-06-18 01:04
Of course a Canadian would say that lmao
2019-06-18 01:31
#64
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Brazil hugoooo 
Only a ignorant person would say otherwise
2019-06-18 01:38
#94
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United States J_Nasty 
Brazilian slum dog
2019-06-18 03:43
#170
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North America Techno_Lover 
roasted
2019-06-18 12:10
He's right though
2019-06-18 01:39
Retarded or what ? Canada > UK In every single aspect
2019-06-18 09:20
And another Canadian saying it lmao
2019-06-18 11:32
F L A G C H E C K S O U T
2019-06-21 21:39
According to the official hltv census
2019-06-18 01:41
Imagine being from UK and trash talking the good part of NA
2019-06-18 02:33
#90
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Faroe Islands Josuke 
America?
2019-06-18 03:16
#98
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Imagine a Canadian trash talking... Don't think we will see a big argument against a Canadian anytime soon
2019-06-18 04:28
Piss a Canadian off and we actually become quite good at trash talking
2019-06-18 06:00
Yea, sure thing. Moose
2019-06-18 06:10
0/8
2019-06-18 06:10
moose
2019-06-18 06:10
#150
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Romania qAp 
Sheep
2019-06-18 09:29
Sheeps are cool wym
2019-06-18 09:31
Good trash talk
2019-06-19 00:38
I am imagining
2019-06-18 22:01
#149
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Romania qAp 
Failed brexit
2019-06-18 09:28
#156
shox | 
India prat_pps 
Even a developing country like ours has free speech. Sorry but no Canada is amazing but has it's flaws.
2019-06-18 10:12
0/8
2019-06-18 11:30
#179
shox | 
India prat_pps 
Still doesn't change the fact now does it.
2019-06-18 16:08
C9 daps c9 TenZ poggers
2019-06-18 07:02
#215
gob b | 
Germany KREDDIT 
Hard to say if you're on/off-topic
2019-06-22 22:16
#4
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Europe b7ack0ut 
Ok
2019-06-18 00:32
#5
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Russia RailenMay 
lose kio - lose team
2019-06-18 00:32
More like lose flusha - lose team, Kio is replaceable but not flusha
2019-06-18 01:02
+1
2019-06-18 01:45
#75
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North America ch3ss 
What? Kio is better than flusha
2019-06-18 02:20
How lmao, flusha literally smartest player and was igl for c9, what was Kio? Tilting factor
2019-06-18 02:20
#97
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Denmark sNju 
You obviously didn't watch C9 play much. Kio was fucking amazing, and literally everyone agreed back then that Auti, Flusha and Kio would be a top tier trio if only they were given 2 good teammates.
2019-06-18 04:27
"smartest player" - did you even watch his defuse on cache against faze lul
2019-06-18 04:32
One mistake wow and his keyboard was broken he said. Flusha won like 3 majors, what did Kio do? Ah get booted from 3 teams and lose every game in FPL cuz tilt much
2019-06-18 04:40
won 2 majors
2019-06-18 04:56
Carried to two majors
2019-06-18 04:56
#163
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France Maiwin 
No he was not, you just don't like Kio and you just want to belittle him. He was a good player at the time of Envyus, then he had a bad time, but when he came to C he was really good
2019-06-18 11:10
and one of them was undeserved
2019-06-21 21:45
Yep
2019-06-21 21:45
#171
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North America ch3ss 
Fpl doesn’t matter as much
2019-06-18 13:40
If he acts in FPL and in streams all the time, he most likely acts the same in team which leads to people not wanting to play with him as stated by HR manager or smthing
2019-06-21 21:46
#213
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North America ch3ss 
Your point was talking about his skill in fpl not if he was nice or not
2019-06-21 22:23
where i said about his skill in fpl? all i said he lose cuz tilt too much
2019-06-21 22:24
what the actual fuck? Flusha was a relevant player like 3-4 years ago while Kio is still actually good and this is coming from someone who despises the whole french scene
2019-06-18 07:17
hi neibaf)
2019-06-18 00:32
#7
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North America T1RANT 
Agreed
2019-06-18 00:32
smoooya
2019-06-18 00:32
Clown9
2019-06-18 00:33
TRUE
2019-06-18 00:33
#11
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United States SoupSnatchin 
CLOWN9
2019-06-18 00:33
#12
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Canada iluvpizza 
rofl
2019-06-18 00:33
c9's team is the worst of all the good wealthy orgs that could afford better teams
2019-06-18 00:33
#18
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United States na_superfan 
vp?
2019-06-18 00:36
#39
somebody | 
Myanmar xdcc 
vp is stuck with polish talent pool. C9 had a lot more opportunities to pick up players. NRG and Liquid built up while C9 decayed
2019-06-18 00:50
#51
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Austria Tw1RLY 
+1
2019-06-18 01:06
#135
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Bosnia and Herzegovina beastWest 
only thing that Liquid changed was NAF and Stewie they were just finidng best chemistry and connectong among the players
2019-06-18 07:51
#23
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United States AproximateCS 
The org likes to live in the past, they don't pressure to remove bad players because of former success.
2019-06-18 00:40
#74
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Europe _jUNGLE 
moreover, they are happy to sell Major winners on the rise well at least their merch revenue is HUGE! :$
2019-06-18 02:15
#101
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United States AproximateCS 
Idk if they are "happy" but if their players are interested in leaving they dont make their buyout insane so they cant
2019-06-18 04:31
C9 is a terrible org. They suck in LOL, Rainbow6, CSGO and dota2. Only good teams are OW and Rocket League.
2019-06-18 04:44
Ofc the 3rd place team last split arguably the best NA team RN sucks in LoL. Makes sense.
2019-06-19 04:34
#15
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Brazil fuNNa 
GOD kio CLOWN9
2019-06-18 00:33
hltv is really good at making interview articles, thanks hltv
2019-06-18 00:36
we agree on this ;)
2019-06-18 08:19
#17
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Brazil bernog 
he is so good, G2 needs to get him asap
2019-06-18 00:36
i dont think he'd mesh well into a team w kennys and shox. they were on the same team when they kicked kio for being a "big problem". honestly i think once rpk gets too old and begins going downhill, kio would be the best replacement for him
2019-06-18 00:44
-luckyy +kio
2019-06-18 04:29
nah just because he has talent doesnt mean he will fit in, he has played with them before, there is a reason he wont play with them again.
2019-06-18 08:55
#19
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Europe Eaggly 
I hope that g2 willl pick him up
2019-06-18 00:37
God kio deserves top10 team best of luck
2019-06-18 00:37
#21
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Sweden godname 
C9 HAHAHA
2019-06-18 00:40
Kio was telling the truth in a way... It was always a new roster every single month.
2019-06-18 00:40
#24
KRIMZ | 
Denmark slacking 
expected from north america
2019-06-18 00:41
no surprise here
2019-06-18 00:41
damn c9 sucks :D
2019-06-18 00:42
#29
Twistzz | 
Canada ASH1 
Cloud9 are shit right now they should disband or build a new team around auti cuz he is only one who does any impact to game
2019-06-18 00:44
“If they are going for the win, why not take the risk to go through the Minor as you should, if your mentality is to win the tournament? You need to deserve to be there, so going through the Minor will be the ‘deserving factor’." - boom, like a Boss.
2019-06-18 00:44
We need these kinds of interviews more often, they're great !
2019-06-18 00:44
CLOWNS9 LUL
2019-06-18 00:45
#34
Portugal HOLF 
- lucky +kio
2019-06-18 00:45
and -JaCkz + ScreaM. Make french CS good again!
2019-06-18 01:04
#54
Portugal HOLF 
jackz is decent i think hes better than scream
2019-06-18 01:08
Lol JaCkz actually ten times better and smarter than washed up ScreaM
2019-06-18 01:51
#99
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Denmark sNju 
Make French CS good again by adding a Belgian :-D
2019-06-18 04:28
Wtf no kick Lucky. Slum dog clearly has never watched a g2 match.
2019-06-18 07:43
" never go into a project in which i do not believe : Respect Kio
2019-06-18 00:46
LoL -Kio +vice
2019-06-18 00:47
Cloud9 should kick all of their petulant players and make brand new roster which wouldn't be a joke
2019-06-18 00:48
#42
somebody | 
Myanmar xdcc 
And if autimatic is preventing these players from getting removed then maybe they should fully rebuild. Tenz, wardell etc. theres still some talent.
2019-06-18 00:56
Idk man but it stinks for me, there is some weird atmosphere around this team
2019-06-18 00:58
Even back with the old mans is better lol. n0thing, sean, auti, RUSH and Skadoodle is better than this shit, and atleast have some history...
2019-06-18 01:05
But they are all washed up nowadays you need some young blood
2019-06-18 01:08
I dont believe this toxic man
2019-06-18 00:50
#41
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Reunion guentobu 
But his phone never rings
2019-06-18 00:53
#43
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Germany 'ezpz 
c9 could be the home of iconic players like n0thing forming a team around him with na most talented players, but they evolved into the biggest clown fiesta org i've ever seen.
2019-06-18 00:57
They try to be as clown as possible
2019-06-18 01:09
that's what happens when you give all the power to autismatic
2019-06-18 00:59
cool i have this email now !!! i gonna send him a lot of dicks pics !!! maybe he gonna be interested ?
2019-06-18 01:04
lol
2019-06-18 01:07
#81
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Russia iGNISKEY 
Name matches perfectly lol
2019-06-18 02:41
#55
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Brazil BNV 
C9 is a big joke
2019-06-18 01:09
#57
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Brazil LaicaBoss 
Are you mad? Cuz kio is.
2019-06-18 01:12
#58
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Argentina Fa7e07 
not the problem
2019-06-18 01:14
goes to show how much of a joke c9 as an org really is, the team is still absolutely horrible
2019-06-18 01:17
Now u tell this story lol
2019-06-18 01:31
#62
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Brazil hugoooo 
It is*
2019-06-18 01:35
No flusha no kio c9 down the tube, buds
2019-06-18 01:37
#68
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United States crulix 
PICKUP KIO C9!!
2019-06-18 01:51
Idk what org is worse C9 or VP Both has most braindead management in CSGO history
2019-06-18 01:54
nah vp didn't give a shit about cs go division. they just need their dota2 roster for the win. their cs go is only to keeping fan base. fun fact: vp cs go fanbase is bigger than their dota2 fanbase
2019-06-18 02:38
VP has CSGO fans ? After this ? I dont think so
2019-06-18 02:56
oh trust me, they still somehow do
2019-06-18 10:21
respect for the non plastics
2019-06-18 23:22
I mean, besides Snax, every single one of today's VP players weren't in the original CS:GO roster, so wouldn't say it's plastic to not support them anymore.
2019-06-19 00:55
I mean they probably still like the new players when the old ones were still playing with them
2019-06-19 00:57
who else read it in soulja's voice LOL
2019-06-18 02:08
#THEPROBLEM
2019-06-18 02:08
#73
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United States @FyreCS 
New team: Flusha SunNy Kioshima Autimatic Refreshz
2019-06-18 02:11
Flusha is washed up, Sunny doesn't want to leave Europe, Kio has no reason to go back to Clown9 and Refrezh is in a good place with Optic right now 0/8
2019-06-18 07:22
and lost one is black so no
2019-06-18 09:07
Yh but I didn't wanna say it LUL
2019-06-18 18:44
#180
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United States @FyreCS 
Pick one: >washed up >1.07 rating Doesn’t have to be Cloud 9 either as the organization wtf, I never said cloud 9 team, just new team
2019-06-18 17:48
Well it's not like crybaby Autismatic is leaving Cloud9 because changing org would mean he couldn't act like the princess he is anymore so C9 would be only option if you want him in the team So 0/8 end of discussion
2019-06-18 18:47
C9 Needs to get rid of everyone except Tim
2019-06-18 02:28
k1oshima go Vitality owned.GG
2019-06-18 02:30
the problem
2019-06-18 02:50
TOXIC KIO. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM YOU DELUDED
2019-06-18 02:51
nt mr.ahmad,c9 kio is 10 times better than this mess
2019-06-18 06:02
LOL nice name kkkkkkk Anyway what I say is true. Everyone doesn't want kio. C9 is partly to blame but if you think kio is blameless your deluded kkkkkkk
2019-06-18 07:32
#89
Estonia rYm 
nice advertisement, but NO
2019-06-18 03:12
#91
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Faroe Islands Josuke 
Lol c9 picks the worst replacements
2019-06-18 03:16
Unfit people gathered in a wrong time. It is not good for everyone. Really envy those players in excellent teams who is lucky enough to fit in a proper squad. After all, this is a team game. Gl,kio and every passionate player still in searching for teams.
2019-06-18 03:32
#93
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United States PrisMcsgo 
C9 trash especially the ceo
2019-06-18 03:40
you mean especially autimatic who has been given all the decisional power and he's made terrible decisions kicking kio, not kicking golden, picking up vice etc etc. Fanboys don't want to hear this but autimatic is mainly to blame for what's happening at C9.
2019-06-18 04:03
I love Auti as a player, but you're absolutely right. He has way to much power in the team and it's going to his head. The pickups and kicks he's done over the last year have been below mediocre and I think management needs to step in and take some of that power off his hands before C9 turns into a bigger dumpster fire
2019-06-18 06:06
Gold is actually a good player. Not sure why everyone trashes him.
2019-06-18 06:10
#193
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United States PrisMcsgo 
??? It’s not really his fault
2019-06-18 22:42
Not his fault that he abuses his power
2019-06-18 23:23
#104
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Philippines genji27 
C9 -Rush -Autimatic -Stanislaw -Wardell -EU player TOP 5 TEAM
2019-06-18 04:41
still putting rush pog
2019-06-18 07:49
#194
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United States PrisMcsgo 
Fuck eu. Why EU player df that’s just weird
2019-06-18 22:43
Yeah
2019-06-18 04:52
#111
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Peru AgentLF 
I'm on Kio's side. An organization must have control on their teams, what C9 did was picking any random players but not taking the opinion of the org leader. Really sad that C9 is such a joke team by now, wish they manage to qualify for the next major
2019-06-18 05:30
#124
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Europe jujin_Ss 
+1 the organization of c9 is suck
2019-06-18 06:31
#112
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India iejesus 
lol he was the best player in c9
2019-06-18 05:34
Saddens me tbh. Was from the highs of Boston to this mess.
2019-06-18 06:09
2019-06-18 06:14
#122
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Peru AgentLF 
Omg, 4 real? :o
2019-06-18 06:18
I mean nothing is official, but there's probably a good chance it's true
2019-06-18 06:19
Its pretty shit still, tier 2 NA players to replace tier 1 EU and tier 2 NA
2019-06-18 09:12
Golden hasn't been tier 1 in C9 at least. He's had his moments, but I don't think his calling style suits the team. Vice is arguably a tier 3 NA player with TenZ also being a tier 3 player, but has so much potential he could be a future star player. Daps is a tier 4 fragger, but a tier 1 igl and did wonders in moulding NRG into what it is today
2019-06-18 15:30
#148
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Denmark fm100 
This would make cloud9 better. Atleast it makes sense with this roster
2019-06-18 09:23
Bruh
2019-06-18 09:42
OMG yes pls!! get rid of these 2 bots, vice and golden suck...and goldens calls are average at best!
2019-06-18 10:19
#125
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Korea Damianlee 
The guy is mad MAD
2019-06-18 06:58
c9 trash
2019-06-18 07:36
thanks autimatic
2019-06-18 08:17
#138
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Russia evg1804 
Today will be 0-16
2019-06-18 08:33
toxic kio
2019-06-18 08:54
#143
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France cedd 
daps and tenz will not be enough to save this team lol. get rid of rush and maybe cajunb as well.
2019-06-18 09:14
golden and vice are the problem..both are fking bots and goldens calls are average at best.
2019-06-18 10:17
#145
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Denmark fm100 
Seems like Jack doesnt give a fuck for cs anylonger. Only focuses on League
2019-06-18 09:21
Auti, Kio, Flusha and Golden would of been a pretty solid core before all the problems happened. Replace Rush with a crazy fragger and they would of been a top 10 easy but C9 continue to make terrible roster moves.
2019-06-18 09:37
if they were a fucking mess how good could they be if they changed zellsis and played more, i loved the roster
2019-06-18 09:39
pls k1o come back :(((((((((((
2019-06-18 10:03
cry is free
2019-06-18 10:16
feel bad for kio..he was fking great in c9...the other fked up. The problem was never kio or flusha...it's golden, (was zellsis)..and now vice and maybe rush too.(hurts to say because I like rush..but he used to be better) we need a team with kio, auti and flusha...
2019-06-18 10:17
#162
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World taco__ 
actual clown9
2019-06-18 10:56
#164
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France JBzOo 
- lucky + kioshima would be a great move to g2 Or -lucky + body Cause lucky gamestyle is too similar with AmaNEk and shox And I guess actually he can’t play his favorite position they are doing the same thing that they did to body. But currently body profil will fit better I guess
2019-06-18 11:21
#167
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France Alpha7a2 
-RPK +kio Vitality free major
2019-06-18 12:07
More like -Lucky +kio ( one can dream )
2019-06-18 14:29
#176
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France Alpha7a2 
G2 can't be a top team with shox as igl
2019-06-18 15:21
yes that's why I've been campaigning for -lucky + maj3r or davidp for a while The problem is that shox doesn't seem to be ready to both let someone else lead AND commit 100% to his leader without questionning his calls or making mid round countercalls
2019-06-18 15:28
More like -nbk now he IS not igl he IS useless..kio play similar but way better
2019-06-20 21:41
#168
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Malta MIHAJA 
Oof
2019-06-18 12:09
Kioshma no longer being in that lineup was the biggest disappointment. He was playing so good for c9 despite all the inconsistencies in the lineup. If they would have tried a pro player instead of zellsis they might actually have won something and stayed together
2019-06-18 12:09
i agree
2019-06-18 14:22
Kio Auti and flusha were the spearhead of that lineup. There was nothing but Auti to save once the two other left...
2019-06-18 14:29
Don't understand 24 year is not an old age 2 times Major winner, has a lot of experience or skill No team wanted? especially French team
2019-06-18 20:28
He didn't believe in the french projects
2019-06-18 23:26
Wardell (AWP) Auti (Rifle) Daps/Flusha(gl lol)/Steel(I doubt it) (IGL) Ethan/RUSH (Entry) Either keep cajun (doubt it), or maybe steal Sick or Obo/sign Tenz, pls no s0merino
2019-06-18 22:30
-golden +daps -cajunb +flusha -vice +sunny
2019-06-19 10:51
"One of ideas was to get Kioshima, because he has some weight in media, but we got information from players that nobody wants to play with him, because he is very toxic. We didnt knew how much money he want (at this moment he was playin in NA) and if its gona work with newcomers."
2019-06-20 17:56
-luckey + kio
2019-06-22 22:56
This case c9 org must be change structure
2019-06-24 16:41
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