QB.Fire co-owner on money-stealing claims: "Nothing to do with the truth"

After the CIS Minor we spoke with Vyacheslav Solovyev, co-owner of Quantum Bellator Fire, to discuss the alleged owing of funds to players.

A recent tweet from Kirill "⁠Boombl4⁠" Mikhailov caught the eyes of the community as the player revealed that between September 2017 and June 2018 a total of $95,000 was owed - whether this was to him individually or to the entire roster is unknown.

The tweet was in response to Robin "⁠Fifflaren⁠" Johansson, who had opened up about a list of issues involving his former organisation of NiP in an interview with Richard Lewis. In the two-hour-long conversation, the former Ninja detailed a list of wrong-doings on the part of the Swedish organisation, including outstanding payments to former and current players.

Boombl4 stated that QB.Fire still owe $95,000

In a later tweet, Boombl4 mentioned that one of the individuals that were allegedly involved in stealing the money was at the CIS Minor. It later emerged that the person in question was Quantum Bellator Fire co-owner Vyacheslav Solovyev, who was at the CIS Minor as part of forZe's entourage.

The allegations were later confirmed by fellow ex-Quantum Bellator Fire member Savelii "⁠jmqa⁠" Bragin, who issued a statement to Cybersport.ru explaining that the team, who had raised eyebrows with a quarter-final run at ELEAGUE Major Boston, ended up turning down offers from other organisations with increased wages, bootcamps and other perks to give QB.Fire the necessary time to put together better conditions for the squad. The players would end up moving to Winstrike in the summer, making their first appearance with the new jerseys at Moche XL Esports, in late June, even though the organisation would not officially launch until August 1.

On Monday morning, as part of our coverage of the Minor Championships, HLTV.org spoke to Quantum Bellator Fire co-owner Vyacheslav Solovyev, who guaranteed that there were no outstanding payments and that all players had been compensated in full for stickers, prize money and other expenses. He went on to explain the situation, describing on-goings prior to the Major, post, and the complications experienced:

"Not too long before the Major, the wages of both the players and coach were increased to $750 per month," he said. "Due to technical difficulties, we weren't able to sign contracts with the players, and after their successful showing at the Major, the players returned to Moscow.

"Upon return, they stated that they wouldn't sign the contracts, instead asking for a pay increase to $5,000, saying: 'Teams at the Major receive this much, and even more', word for word.

"They started setting single-week deadlines, then two-week deadlines for the wage increase, saying that they would otherwise leave for another organisation. We were told that they received a list of offers: for example, we learned that k1ck esports had allegedly offered them a monthly compensation of 3,500 Euros, according to them."

"If I'm honest this was a terrible period of time because it felt like they weren't themselves after returning from the Major."

As negotiations continued, the two parties agreed that QB.Fire would have three months to make the transition "from a hobby to a business" in an attempt to meet the players' requirements, according to Mr. Solovyev. During this period, the players' wages "were increased to $2,000."

Despite QB.Fire's efforts, the organisation was unable to find the financial resources to provide the conditions the team required, leading to negotiations with parties interested in buying out the roster.

“The deadline was unfortunately very tight, and, importantly, the players lacked media presence," he explained. "Additionally, this was the only result the team showed, prior to that there had been nothing, and, unfortunately afterward there was nothing either. It was the only sort of 'splash' that they showed. As such, I was unable to negotiate terms with partners that would cover all of their wages and expenses.

"We started negotiations with organisations regarding the sale of the roster. At this point the relationship with the team got to a critical point, we constantly heard, 'we don't have contracts, we don't owe you anything and we want to leave'.

"At this point, my business partner decided to freeze any payments to the players' accounts until the deal was finalised. Initially, I was against this because I had hoped that the players' would come around and the stardom would subside, opting to remain and continue progressing with the organisation, or wait until we were able to close a transfer deal. I made them a promise and I came through with it.

"As things progressively heated up, I also approved the decision to freeze payments. I'd like to point out that they were fully aware of this, and no one ever told them that this money wouldn't be paid out, provided they delivered on their spoken promise of remaining within the organisation for the three months while we paid their wages. It was either they remain within the organisation and we provide them with better terms and wages, or we agree a sale.

"In the end, we agreed a sale with Winstrike, and as of June 2018 the roster represented their colours. Because the payments were frozen, and the players mixed Winstrike into the story, the deal has been on-going for a while and is yet to be finalised, but we are close to a logical conclusion. Two months later, Winstrike made the correct administerial decision to pay out the frozen sum to the players, subtracting it from the transfer fee. As a result, the players received all outstanding money, subtracted out of the transfer fee."

Solovyov detailed the financials of the transfer, stating that the organisation ended up agreeing to pay a larger sum than what had initially been stipulated:

“During the transfer to Winstrike we agreed the total amount of frozen payments that we owed and had to pay out as part of the transfer process, it was supposed to be part of the deal.

"Seeing as the process was delayed, Winstrike paid out, but preliminarily, accounting for taxation, bank transfer commissions and similar expenses the sum came to a total of 2,200,000 Rubles (~$35,000 as per xe.com, 29/07/2019). After the players had transferred [to Winstrike], and I don't know what the thought process was, but we told them that there were taxes to be paid, the money would be received by a legal entity, they said: "We don't care, the sum you owe us is 2,950,000 Rubles".

"At that point we agreed to the sum because we were tired of the stress involved with the players, we just wanted to finally close the deal. This sum included their prize winnings, sticker money and their last month of wages and a few other expenses. We agreed to the sum of RUB2,950,000 (~$46,000 as per xe.com, 29/07/2019), which was deducted from the transfer fee, and, in my opinion, we even overpaid. The prize money was distributed with a 75-25 proportion - 75% for the players and coach, 25% to the organisation.

"To give financial context on sticker money, players received 5% each, while the coach received 10% because we knew he didn't have personal stickers, so we thought it fair to compensate him."

Questioned on the allegations about QB.Fire stealing money from the players, Mr. Solovyov said: "I think the words about stealing are simply slanderous and may be based on personal resentment. It has nothing to do with the truth."

Russia Savelii 'jmqa' Bragin
Savelii 'jmqa' Bragin
Age:
23
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.97
Maps played:
921
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.13
Russia Kirill 'Boombl4' Mikhailov
Kirill 'Boombl4' Mikhailov
Age:
21
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
770
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.14
Sweden Robin 'Fifflaren' Johansson
Robin 'Fifflaren' Johansson
Age:
32
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.94
Maps played:
537
KPR:
0.60
DPR:
0.60
APR:
0.15
#1
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World ScottGetto
Is this for real? O.o
2019-08-01 13:33
Very cool
2019-08-01 13:34
#27
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Poland Unluko
Nice
2019-08-01 13:39
#16
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France Chylvain2
TLDR can someone help ?
2019-08-01 13:35
QBF disband
2019-08-01 13:38
tl;dr read the arcticle u lazy baguette
2019-08-01 13:38
#43
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Indonesia rareguy
tl;dr QBF co-owner said that the players' statement is kinda misleading, because they didn't see the organization's financial situation. Had QBF made for hobbies not for business like FaZe or NiP, they have a really hard time looking for funding to fulfill the players' wage demand, moreover on tight deadline, 2 weeks. They finally got frustrated by the players' taunt and decided to make a buyout for the roster. Winstrike has the fitting deal, and QBF decided to freeze the money owed to the players until the deal is finished. And then Winstrike basically said,"hey how about we pay all the owed money to the players but my transfer fee get a discount more than the money we dealed for?" QBF said "hell ye, I'm tired of them" and then proceeded to finish the deal, leaving the players thinking into their money is still on QBF.
2019-08-01 13:56
#45
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France Chylvain2
tldr can you explain again ? joke, ty :)
2019-08-01 13:59
#48
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Indonesia rareguy
nah I'm sane enough
2019-08-01 14:00
Ty
2019-08-01 13:59
#49
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Indonesia rareguy
My pleasure
2019-08-01 14:00
ty sir
2019-08-01 14:04
#63
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Indonesia Exodd
Cool thanks
2019-08-01 14:15
#136
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United States dina_1
+1 for summary
2019-08-01 17:44
do the players get their money from winstrike? or does he not speak on that
2019-08-01 22:51
#150
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Indonesia rareguy
That's the main thing of the whole situation, QBF is already have nothing to do with the roster, and Winstrike also being quiet, no one knows. Amd then fifflaren thing happens.
2019-08-02 00:40
#2
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Kazakhstan bjornzz
ok?
2019-08-01 13:33
#3
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Argentina trackssZZZ
on jah?
2019-08-01 13:33
#4
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Paraguay darthkaazi
Lol
2019-08-01 13:33
Rofl
2019-08-01 13:33
Ok
2019-08-01 13:33
#7
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Turkey Zeria_
Wut
2019-08-01 13:34
#8
dont | 
Czech Republic @me
Budget RFRSH
2019-08-01 13:34
#9
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Argentina Chief02
good
2019-08-01 13:34
X
2019-08-01 13:34
OK
2019-08-01 13:35
kkk
2019-08-01 13:35
CS DRAMA BOII
2019-08-01 13:35
Their salary was $750 a month? wtf
2019-08-01 13:37
#24
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Germany DEBlL
Its good for tier4 cs
2019-08-01 13:38
dude that was when they were tier 99 CS, they were nonamers
2019-08-01 13:41
Yeah now I think about it it wasn't too bad for then, but when they got to major they definitely deserved a raise
2019-08-01 13:47
Did they? What did they do after the major?
2019-08-01 15:04
did you read the article? They got a raise to 2k
2019-08-01 15:36
what u mean? every tier2-tier3 teams have some goal like join top30 hltv, qualify for lan tournaments, qualify to minors, qualify to major and with every goal their salary is going higher and higher
2019-08-01 13:51
they were #79 after qualifying for the challenger stage. You have to understand that contracts won't just get adjusted every week. 750$ is a good salary for CIS standards considering the team was struggling to scratch top 50 hltv before their run at the major. It's not like the owner thought 750$ was appropriate after the major, he was looking to raise the salary, but he probably had to get brand deals first which is hard when you have players that noone has heard of before.
2019-08-01 14:00
tbh both players and org were not ready for that result on major, that was a one big fluke
2019-08-01 14:11
And it may have ruined some of their careers for sure ... I think the players got greedy after their result, they should have had some counseling so that they were more down to earth at the time
2019-08-01 14:38
thats not something new, it happens in every sport not only in csgo and in this case guys with low salary from being nonamers qualified to major, played with top teams and reached 1/4 ofc it affected on them thats an org fault, they could avoided that just if they talked about it before but looks like no one was prepared for that result, players get cocky, org had no money and etc
2019-08-01 14:49
thats good money for eastern europe
2019-08-01 14:02
Yeah I realised it's probably good
2019-08-01 14:03
Not really, you need at least $500-600 to rent a flat in Moscow
2019-08-01 15:09
That is really cheap for a capital though
2019-08-01 15:33
Russian average salaries are 495€ according to wikipedia. That makes QBFs salary almost 1.5x the average salary in the country and thats really not bad
2019-08-01 15:42
average salary in moscow is higher $750 is a salary of a waiter in moscow
2019-08-01 16:14
Yeah obviously
2019-08-01 21:11
thats a pretty normal amount in russia
2019-08-01 15:30
It's okay and even good money in Russia
2019-08-01 16:52
Ok
2019-08-01 13:37
#19
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Europe LoookATme
Lmafo
2019-08-01 13:38
IDK if this is evil but it's lowkey nice to have some drama in the scene every now and then : - )))) Hope good guys win ofc
2019-08-01 13:38
but who are the good guys ?
2019-08-01 13:43
I KNOW RIGHT THATS THE EXCITING PART MY WESTERN MEN!
2019-08-01 13:43
+1 Agreed, drama is very fun and entertaining when you're not involved :D
2019-08-01 15:28
enjoy
2019-08-01 13:38
How dare they bully boombl4
2019-08-01 13:38
[X] DOUBT
2019-08-01 13:39
#29
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Algeria MagnumDz
and what is hidden is greater
2019-08-01 13:41
#30
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Slovakia Chrisf30
750$ is enough LUL co owner brain
2019-08-01 13:41
Enough to buy a mansion in tier10 country
2019-08-01 14:32
750 for barely playing in any tournaments is good yes. All achievements of QBF: - Good major run Thats it.
2019-08-02 03:31
25% from prize pool to org and %s from player stickers to coach and org...
2019-08-01 13:49
Not players stickers, read that part again: "To give financial context on sticker money, players received 5% each, while the coach received 10% because we knew he didn't have personal stickers, so we thought it fair to compensate him." It's org stickers, not players, otherwise there's no need to say "coach didn't had personal sticker, so that was his compensation".
2019-08-01 14:31
+1 I had forgotten how that works, thanks for clearing up the wording
2019-08-01 18:21
what do you mean the players got 5% each of the sticker money? So 35% of sticker money went to players and coach and 65% went to the org?
2019-08-01 13:46
I was thinking the same.. wtf.. can't be the same in big orgs like mouz, fanatic etc
2019-08-01 14:15
I think he's talking about org stickers here, not player ones. Otherwise there no need to say "coach didn't had his personal sticker, so that was his compensation".
2019-08-01 14:33
+1 for reading comprehension
2019-08-01 15:07
#104
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Serbia d1ckson
+1
2019-08-01 15:15
seems vague.. most orgs take nothing from the sticker money and in the early days it seemed like they were taking around 20% if that
2019-08-02 04:29
First of all, you cannot know that unless you've seen contracts. Second, this org was a hobby of the guy as far I understood, so this is just a way to get some money back, at least that's how I understand it. Anyway, I guess we need to wait for DeKay to publish whatever he promised and maybe Boombl4 on RLewis Show. Edit: I actually don't remember if Valve pays percentage from community market to the teams or only when you can buy a capsule, but if yes, then orgs should pay old players from that time, or new ones?
2019-08-02 06:50
#35
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Indonesia rareguy
It's kinda.... odd. Didn't the player told by Winstrike about the transfer fee?
2019-08-01 13:47
$750 per month, wtf is that? You can make more money from fishing out of a puddle.
2019-08-01 13:48
They were tier 9999 before major
2019-08-01 13:51
In some country thats good salary. Sadly
2019-08-01 13:52
in russia its 2x more than the real average wage so...
2019-08-01 14:07
#55
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Armenia KKegham
mentions in the article it was like a hobby for them and not a job that's why it was probably $750 a month salary but yeah it's still too low even for tier 4-5 cs back then.
2019-08-01 14:06
Is 750 too low for doing nothing and play cs ? I don’t think so If you got all info about salaries in t3 teams mb you share it with us? Mb you will tell us about your fav team gambit?
2019-08-01 14:18
Insomia from Bulgaria ex wc3 pro got 400€ at his active time. He told in an interview he brought more money home than his parents who did a fulltime job. Maybe you have no clue about that but 2000€ in Germany, France etc like 500€ in Ukraine and other low life cost countries.
2019-08-01 14:23
750€ in russia is pretty slightly above average. also they were tier6 before that major
2019-08-01 14:24
in ukraine you will be a millioner
2019-08-01 14:55
#108
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Ukraine ksay
fake ukrainian u would be like a king with 750$ here
2019-08-01 15:25
They should have earned 0 per month
2019-08-01 13:49
+1 Dont know whos the bad guy here but u must be fucking idiot to pay anything to a team like they were before major.
2019-08-01 14:25
#39
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Finland 0lter
lmfao 700 e month expected from wasteland hahaha
2019-08-01 13:51
xaxaxaxaxaxaxa scammer org
2019-08-01 13:58
#53
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Sweden Zlatanist
#payfiffy
2019-08-01 14:05
This dude's trying to spin the emotional rollercoaster so hard holy shit. Just look at their numbers and the drama.
2019-08-01 14:06
WATERFALLZ>OBESE KID
2019-08-01 14:09
#59
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Russia M13F
lmao
2019-08-01 14:11
i pay them $750, why they're not happy LMAO
2019-08-01 14:14
#142
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Slovakia veeellys
Gla1ve's 1st salary was 900 in Denmark. Denmark price cost > Russian 99% of players will be happy for at least 750€ for counter strike. 1% are pros nowadays
2019-08-01 21:03
35k € for a team that delivers nothing. LUL I would have pay them nothing except travel costs. To deserve and earn something is a lot different from what people owe you for real. I mean this guy here released details with real numbers etc. Something you do, when you have nothing to hide. I believe this man.
2019-08-01 14:16
#70
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Kazakhstan bjornzz
+1
2019-08-01 14:21
+1 However grazy that they earned anything before the major success.
2019-08-01 14:27
#77
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Switzerland x676
+1
2019-08-01 14:31
+1
2019-08-01 14:47
You would have pay them nothing cuz you don't have such money.
2019-08-01 15:43
I pay when people deserve it.
2019-08-01 16:28
Please list people who you pay.
2019-08-01 17:47
they were paid in QBF stickers
2019-08-01 14:17
Also Preparation org stole money from players.
2019-08-01 14:19
#68
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Poland Karti20
Soo "boomich" and his friends get coocky just because they earned "legend' status ONCE and insta lose it next major... sad to see later the same dick to write such a bullshit on social medias just to get attention.. tbh na'vi should do something with that wanker cuz acting like that gonna be a bad thing for whole organisation
2019-08-01 14:21
I like your choice of insult ;)
2019-08-01 15:31
0/8
2019-08-01 15:39
#71
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France Conterob
HAHAHAH I knew russians were retarded, but retarded and greedy, that's a hard one!
2019-08-01 14:22
Why Winstrike had to pay for QB players if they didnt have contracts? Why cant they just leave for free?
2019-08-01 14:30
verbal agreement also contracts.
2019-08-01 14:35
No they are not.
2019-08-01 14:44
yes, they are. At least in countries with a working law system.
2019-08-01 14:56
A verbal "contract" doesn't stick up in court unless there are witnesses. And it is the CIS region, so don't count on it.
2019-08-01 15:03
If you are smart you start to record it... You know these smartphones have a videocam.
2019-08-01 15:04
Not to mention...they obviously had more people in the room when doing these talks with the players. Obviously had witnesses
2019-08-01 15:11
Wow really? They have cameras? Sick! Thanks for educating me that smartphones have cameras in 2019! Who would have guessed!
2019-08-02 16:14
you obvs not. otherwise, you wouldn't write stupid comments
2019-08-02 16:32
Got me there buddy.
2019-08-02 16:34
#82
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Norway SlimeThug
'Due to technical difficulties, we weren't able to sign contracts with the players' The office printer didn't work? u a full liar, aren't u
2019-08-01 14:40
the pro-players don't learn to handwrite. Boombl4 contract at Navi is signed with Mc Donalds ketchup
2019-08-01 14:59
#112
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Norway SlimeThug
Boombl4 cOnTraCt aT NaVi iS siGneD wiTH Mc DoNaLdS kEtChuP
2019-08-01 15:33
Tier 10 Co owner from Tier 10 org
2019-08-01 14:42
boombl4 and dekay said they are lying here so i wound not believe them
2019-08-01 14:43
#85
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Iran Shia
Sure.
2019-08-01 14:43
#89
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France cedd
"At that point we agreed to the sum because we were tired of the stress involved with the players, we just wanted to finally close the deal. This sum included their prize winnings, sticker money and their last month of wages and a few other expenses. We agreed to the sum of RUB2,950,000 (~$46,000 as per xe.com, 29/07/2019" to me this is the shadiest part of it all, it looks like they didnt give them any of their major winnings/sticker money until much later, which is probably why boombl4 and co. were pissed off
2019-08-01 14:49
They let Winstrike do the costs because QBF didnt have that sponsor/investor money available. In return the buyout was lowered to compensate the costs.
2019-08-02 03:44
ORG fault anyway, players get cocky? there is a reason why are top teams working with every player individually so they can avoid things like that and fix it quickly + conditions were really bad, 25% from prize pool is bullshit and player stickers is even worse twitter.com/Boombl4CS/status/11569068320.. wait for interview from players
2019-08-01 14:51
lmao wtf is this interview? they just confirmed that they are shit org
2019-08-01 14:52
> "Not too long before the Major, the wages of both the players and coach were increased to $750 per month," he said. WTF, INCREASED to $750 PER MONTH $750 PER MONTH How much did he play them before it? I hope they could afford buying food at least. Because Moscow is not so cheap as other parts of Russia, you need at least $500 to rent an apartment.
2019-08-01 15:11
Considering they were unknown and shit before and after, they didn't deserve what they got lol
2019-08-01 15:13
what do you mean didn't deserve? $750 is the salary of a waiter in Moscow, and waiters get even more because of tips. teleport.org/cities/moscow/salaries/
2019-08-01 15:16
I mean they wasn't playing professionally so 750 is acceptable
2019-08-01 15:35
#119
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Myanmar xdcc
im confused by this article. did they live in moscow or just get back to sign contracts?
2019-08-01 15:48
As the previous have stated, they are all unknowns until the major. They had a fluke run and then look what happened. They fell apart and did nothing. You have to bring something to the table when you have an organization. What did they bring other than the major? Nothing.
2019-08-01 16:06
+1 and it's also known that boombitch stole gear from qbf, so u know what kind of guys ur dealing with here.
2019-08-01 22:45
Good article. Good read. Would love to see the numbers on the books to prove any of this bullshit people are putting out there. Let's not forget that these players probably did not know how to handle any contract talks or anything and did not have representation and that is ho they get caught in bad situations
2019-08-01 15:15
#123
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Brazil Gaiolero
Exactly. The same happened with Luminosity in 2016 after winnig the Major, they signed to SK without even speaking to LG's mannager.
2019-08-01 16:02
I remember that as well. They want to be called professional. They should be professional in all aspects then
2019-08-01 16:08
xD
2019-08-01 15:19
Lol
2019-08-01 15:22
boombitch logic
2019-08-01 16:47
I don’t understand why an org would even take a penny from player stickers. And players got 5% from the stickers ? Wtf that even mean. That’s nothing.
2019-08-01 16:58
i think they are talking about the org stickers not the player stickers
2019-08-01 18:00
+1
2019-08-02 08:29
People usually are getting really mad when it comes to the money.
2019-08-01 17:02
Major was a luckiest fluke for qb fire Even 750$/mo is too generous for those bots. Except for boombla and kvik
2019-08-01 17:36
Nice English. 11/10
2019-08-01 23:30
#139
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Russia Jet1k
DeKay said he waited for this to be published so he could tear it down when he publishes his report. very spicy
2019-08-01 18:15
dekay about this situation if someone is interested: twitch.tv/videos/461055656 forze players should really be concerned.
2019-08-01 19:48
Deleted now.
2019-08-01 22:31
Bullshit
2019-08-01 23:28
#149
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United States Grabboid
Giving tubby anymore money at this point is just enabling. ChubBub there gonna die by thirty he keeps eating like that. Only booming boobbitch there is doing is when he walks down the hall.
2019-08-01 23:38
#152
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United States tatsumi
this is like the rape allegations of cs
2019-08-02 03:40
Players got cocky because they had 1 good run at 1 tournament. After the major they got back to playing online CIS leagues instead of T2 tournaments like DH Open. 750$/month as a salary without playing LANs is a good salary in Eastern Europe. The costs there are easily 3-4x lower than here. So 5000$ would be the equivalent of a 10-15k salary here. I know that around that time Rain did an interview where he said he earned 10k at Faze per month. FaZe at that time was a constant Semi-final or final contestant, meanwhile QBF didnt do anything. QBF good org that didnt expect to go from 0 to 100 that fast and didnt have the money available for their cocky players.
2019-08-02 03:42
Nonamers in football earns 300k euros per year
2019-08-02 04:51
jmqa, a kak teper' dela u vas dolbaebi? ahahahahhaha
2019-08-02 05:16
esli ti k tomu, chto mi ne poluchili deneg, to nam vse za qb viplatili winstrike, tak chto normalno, dolbaebi :)
2019-08-02 22:18
I READ NO MONEY LMAO
2019-08-02 18:33
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