Big Event winning runs - Were Liquid better than Astralis?

Astralis and Liquid currently hold the longest streaks of Big-Event wins with six titles in a row, but whose was the more impressive run?

With a BLAST Pro Series São Paulo victory this March Astralis became the first team to win six "Big Events" in a row — ever since the concept was introduced on HLTV.org in 2015 to highlight the most prestigious and competitive tournaments and separate them from the rest —, beating the record of fnatic, who had gone on a streak of four in a row in late 2015-early 2016.

Liquid matched that streak before the last season came to a close, starting with their first such triumph at IEM Sydney before going on to win five more, and are looking to break the record themselves with a seventh title from the ongoing StarLadder Major, where the North American giants are about to face their Danish rivals in the quarter-finals.

Before we find out if Liquid have what it takes, however, let's take a look at which of the two runs was the more impressive based on a few criteria in numbers.

A quick glance at the two lists tells you that both teams clinched an Intel Grand Slam during their run, with Astralis finishing off the first season with IEM Chicago 2018 and the ESL Pro League Season 8 Finals as part of their streak, while Liquid's list features their entire season 2 run of four wins.

However, one important difference is that the Danes won a Major in that four-month span at IEM Katowice, which gives them a significant edge in terms of the prestige attached to their run despite it featuring two BLAST Pro Series stops, the least distinguished Big Events due to their BO1-heavy format and because they only feature six teams compared to the 16 that make up most other tournaments deserving of the Big-Event tag at the moment.

On the other hand, looking at some of the raw numbers from the two periods, although Astralis have a better round win rate (59.7% vs. 58.8%), there is an argument to be made for Liquid's run being slightly more dominant thanks to a better record in maps (60-11 vs. 52-11) and matches (32-1 vs. 32-2), with the North American team suffering their single loss in a best-of-one affair against North while Astralis lost two series, to FaZe and MIBR. That also shows that Lukas "gla1ve" Rossander's team played (and won) more best-of-ones, which once again comes down to the fact that they played an extra BLAST Pro Series stop compared to their rivals.

Another — and perhaps the most crucial — difference becomes apparent when you look more in-depth into the competition present at the tournaments in question and the average level of teams Astralis and Liquid beat en route to the six titles. You can already see which way the competition argument is leaning when you learn that in the six tournaments Astralis won, 44 out of the possible 50 top-ten teams from HLTV.org's ranking at the time of the event were in attendance, and it continues along similar lines for the top-five (25/30) and top-three (15/18) sides. When it comes to the teams the Danish heavyweights actually defeated en route to the titles, 26 of their 32 match wins came against top-ten, 12 against top-five, and seven against top-three opponents.

The same numbers are much less impressive in Liquid's tournaments. Only 35 out of the possible 54 top-ten, 17 out of 30 top-five, and 11 out of 18 top-three teams attended them, while from their 32 match wins, less than half were top-ten matchups (15), of which six were top-five and only four top-three teams. Although that is obviously no fault of Nick "nitr0" Cannella & co., the diminished level of competition speaks to the stability and consistency of the scene at the time of their dominance and plays a big factor in determining which of the two runs has more credibility.

You could also consider the time passed between the start of the runs to the finish, in which there is a sizable difference as it is a span of 137 days in Astralis' case and 82 days in Liquid's, but the question is whether you see it as more difficult to stay ahead when the scene has time to prepare well or when there is little time for anyone to prepare, including yourself. In the former scenario, there is a lot more focus on the dominant team in the breaks between tournaments, but the winning side also has the chance to innovate, while in the latter there is little room for improvement for the teams attending the same tournaments, but does that mean it is easier to snowball from the position of the best team?

No matter which you decide is the bigger feat, the competition argument and the presence of a Major title clearly makes Astralis' streak look like the more impressive of the two. However, Liquid now have the chance to extend theirs to a record-breaking seven Big Event titles in a row and add a Major win of their own as they are heading into the playoffs in Berlin, with the Danes ready to defend their record up against the current No. 1 team as they chase their fourth Major crown, their third in a row.

Denmark Lukas 'gla1ve' Rossander
Lukas 'gla1ve' Rossander
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.01
Maps played:
1199
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.17
United States Nick 'nitr0' Cannella
Nick 'nitr0' Cannella
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
1176
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.14
No. NA will never be better than EU in anything.
2019-09-06 13:05
+1
2019-09-06 13:02
I guess not lol
2019-09-07 15:00
of course not
2019-09-11 00:31
+1 ( 4 majors vs 0 majors ) the end!
2019-09-19 05:21
+1
2019-09-06 13:02
+3 By 3 i mean majors on row
2019-09-06 13:03
Fourth one inc
2019-09-08 12:31
#26
s1mple | 
Other zj2 
series 24-0 pog
2019-09-06 13:05
"No matter which you decide is the bigger feat, the competition argument and the presence of a Major title clearly makes Astralis' streak look like the more impressive of the two. "
2019-09-06 13:07
#39
s1mple | 
Other zj2 
expected from danish website isnt it? i didnt even read , knew it would be astralis in the end
2019-09-06 13:08
because astralis was far more dominant and better over all
2019-09-06 13:09
#73
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Denmark RUZUR 
Yes, good point. I'm sure they told Striker to only write good things about Astralis, or they would replace him with someone from Denmark that only likes Danes! No, great article Striker! This really sets everything in perspective and sets todays match up to be one of the most important in years!
2019-09-06 13:30
#144
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Belgium RobinDG 
Damn man. How delusional do people get... just read your post yourself... Oh and i don’t care for either team if you thought i was some biased fanboy
2019-09-06 15:06
Of what he is saying, what is the delusional part? The first paragraph is sarcasm..
2019-09-06 15:47
#196
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Belgium RobinDG 
I read it wrong ^^ Was in a not so sarcastic hate thread before this post so i missed the joke
2019-09-06 18:55
fair also, its typical danish humour so not all countries understand it as easily as we do :)
2019-09-06 19:08
Rød grød med fløde
2019-09-06 20:04
#211
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Denmark RUZUR 
Sorry just a bad attempt at being funny. Maybe one day I'll succeed.
2019-09-06 22:14
#212
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Belgium RobinDG 
Nah, should have seen it with the !! in the tekst :D
2019-09-06 22:36
Striker is Czech but okay
2019-09-06 14:07
#213
blameF | 
Denmark megz 
where are liquid now? Astralis will allways be the better team.
2019-09-06 22:58
Flair checks out The author isn’t even Danish
2019-09-07 15:00
#248
xseveN | 
Greece CMi_ 
I mean Astralis was better stat-wise. They won more top10,5 and 3 teams so u can already see that they had a better run
2019-09-07 21:40
Yea but I also see two blast events
2019-09-08 00:54
#42
rain | 
Reunion quite_mad 
such a jealousy
2019-09-06 13:08
+1 haha you are right
2019-09-06 13:11
#51
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Czech Republic knox^ 
+1
2019-09-06 13:12
#64
ZywOo | 
Colombia 7RU7H 
+1
2019-09-06 13:18
#70
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Germany TasuketeJ 
+1 You are right.
2019-09-06 13:25
+1
2019-09-06 13:29
#79
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Brazil DeathstrokeRa 
Cry is free!
2019-09-06 13:36
Manito do pele
2019-09-06 23:08
plus one
2019-09-06 13:41
+1
2019-09-06 13:44
#90
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
+1
2019-09-06 13:48
#94
jOELZ | 
Korea Hunyango 
+1
2019-09-06 13:55
+1
2019-09-06 14:06
In anything? Olympics, Call of Duty, currently #1 in CSGO. Not in anything?
2019-09-06 14:22
Call of Duty axaxaxaxaxaxa
2019-09-06 14:30
You say that because EU can't compete with NA in it. Regardless, it is one game NA dominates EU in.
2019-09-06 14:31
#208
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United Kingdom kitteeN 
nah m8, he says that cause cod on its own is a shit game, so is it’s scene. Olympics mate, LUL. Currently number 1 in cs cause their performance at the major(highly shite) isn’t counted. They’re dropping to the third-fourth place after the finals.
2019-09-06 21:54
Shit to you and me, sure. They won't drop out of #1 after major. They came top-8. Do the math. Astralis can win the Major and they still won't be #1. No team can win it and take over #1 now that Vitality is out. Actually, Liquid was so far ahead they probably could have bombed out 0-3 and still not given up top spot.
2019-09-06 21:58
-1
2019-09-09 00:17
Call of Duty axaxaxaxaxaxa
2019-09-08 17:26
#310
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Ukraine martnlo1 
+1
2019-09-17 09:00
#122
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Poland Kleigen 
Delusional German, wake up from your dream and accept the truth.
2019-09-06 14:30
+1
2019-09-06 14:30
#148
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Sweden Trkmag 
+1
2019-09-06 15:12
#161
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Poland KasPro 
+1
2019-09-06 15:48
+1
2019-09-06 15:50
NA major sorry to spoil
2019-09-06 17:12
nt
2019-09-08 00:01
lol
2019-09-08 19:47
america gdp > whole europe gdp /thread
2019-09-06 17:14
Come again? NRG just 2-0'd your boys rofl you big mad
2019-09-06 17:58
What are you on? Na'Vi isn't EU...
2019-09-06 18:22
#201
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
Yeah, Navi is African team
2019-09-06 20:18
#206
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Russia Pushkins 
CIS cs is different league my lad
2019-09-06 21:47
#207
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
Doesn’t make Russians and Ukrainians any less European
2019-09-06 21:49
Where is Liquid? Shit team LUL
2019-09-07 07:42
I bet you love taking EU loads in your mouth.
2019-09-08 19:23
NA in final?
2019-09-08 19:47
Russia is not EU dummy.. Astralis just 4-0'd your boys
2019-09-14 18:57
+1
2019-09-06 23:26
#219
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Europe dREsdENgg 
EU cs is away better then the NA
2019-09-06 23:48
#224
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Austria Schwerpunkt 
+1
2019-09-07 01:51
+1
2019-09-07 01:51
#233
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Italy mmbrnn 
+1
2019-09-07 09:00
+1
2019-09-07 10:12
except for economy xaxaxax
2019-09-07 18:26
you have a short memory bro my heart is EU too but Stewie and his team won vs Faze in a major grand final
2019-09-07 20:04
What about obesity?
2019-09-08 12:29
#260
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Russia Evgeniy_krut 
U stupid autist lol
2019-09-08 17:17
#262
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United States dmantacos 
Except living conditions, education, and military power right? lol. World war count, US - 2, Germany -0 .Cry is free jajaja
2019-09-08 19:20
#264
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Denmark thermic 
education HAHAHAHA
2019-09-08 19:24
Living condition. HAHAHAHA
2019-09-09 06:31
#297
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Norway odinsg 
*Laughs in norwegian*
2019-09-13 10:58
#302
rain | 
Norway TritoNOF 
+1
2019-09-15 10:33
Living conditions LMAOOOO
2019-09-15 20:19
#270
Dima | 
Italy Laxity 
+1
2019-09-08 21:06
But EU needed NA carry in WW1 and WW2 otherwise you guys all would have not been born.
2019-09-09 19:18
#286
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United States highlandyirr 
wrong
2019-09-09 19:37
#292
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Denmark JEBO 
TRUUUUUUUUUE
2019-09-10 17:31
#296
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Denmark hersej 
na is so bad
2019-09-11 13:39
#298
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United States Grabboid 
Military, economy. The level of cope from europoors is always hilarious. You losers can't even live up to your NATO agreements. Krauts have no honor.
2019-09-14 17:51
Honor in 2019 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 NATO agreement 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 come back when SF isnt a giant toilet for homeless 😂😂😂😂😂
2019-09-15 20:21
Military XDDD this guy straight from the stone age
2019-09-16 00:43
this is why people think that americans are stupid
2019-09-16 14:58
#301
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Guatemala Ivnrdz 
whitout crying please
2019-09-14 22:05
+1
2019-09-16 00:42
#2
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Brunei GucciLele 
No
2019-09-06 13:01
+2
2019-09-06 13:02
#3
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Europe vvitozz 
Nope
2019-09-06 13:02
no
2019-09-06 13:02
#5
Aleksib | 
Finland Mitzu 
No
2019-09-06 13:02
ok
2019-09-06 13:02
#15
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United States fatburger 
FUCK
2019-09-06 13:03
no kebab
2019-09-06 13:03
#115
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Albania Rannyferret 
+1
2019-09-06 14:26
Never.
2019-09-06 13:02
#12
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Australia DrunkChef 
no
2019-09-06 13:02
no
2019-09-06 13:02
Nice name
2019-09-06 13:12
#14
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United States fatburger 
ok
2019-09-06 13:02
NA CS still LUL.
2019-09-06 13:03
+1
2019-09-06 13:10
i see 5 hltv retar- i mean user say no i like it
2019-09-06 13:03
#27
Aleksib | 
Finland Mitzu 
Quite the selective eyesight you have if you only see 5.
2019-09-06 13:05
#28
TaZ | 
Italy SHOX_HORUS 
There is a fucking graph
2019-09-06 13:05
#19
device | 
Denmark bebm 
how 24-0 series record?
2019-09-06 13:03
Bo3
2019-09-06 13:07
#40
device | 
Denmark bebm 
yeah didnt they lose a bo3 to vitality at summit or does that not count since its a smaller event
2019-09-06 13:08
+1
2019-09-06 13:09
Yeah but that event was like 4 months ago, that streak starts after their loss against vitality at summit
2019-09-06 14:04
#102
device | 
Denmark bebm 
then why did they include IEM sydney which happened before summit
2019-09-06 14:04
Summit isn't considered a big even that's why.
2019-09-06 15:07
#182
device | 
Denmark bebm 
ofc, ur right
2019-09-06 17:10
Astralis dynasty is gone , now is Liquid's.
2019-09-06 13:04
#135
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African Union OllieMaN 
no major no dynasty
2019-09-06 14:51
+1
2019-09-06 15:24
#194
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United States 9ine_qBk 
Yeah don't worry, it starts this Sunday. Don't forget to watch the final please..
2019-09-06 18:42
#195
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African Union OllieMaN 
Astralis are repeating last major they win and liquid quit in quarter finals nt tho burger
2019-09-06 18:43
+1
2019-09-06 23:14
#221
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United Kingdom The_Doctor 
The final??? which one are you talking about?
2019-09-07 00:26
im confused? what
2019-09-07 10:10
#246
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Turkey thekaisertr 
Yeah it would be exciting to watch AVANGAR-Astralis
2019-09-07 21:16
#249
xseveN | 
Greece CMi_ 
Yes i'll make sure to watch Astralis dominate avangar and get 3rd major in a row and 4th in general. I'll make sure to see Them write history once again
2019-09-07 21:54
#269
REZ | 
Europe riddleman 
So how did you like the final? :D
2019-09-08 20:53
Watched it, way too easy for astralis :>
2019-09-09 11:40
#205
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Poland pawuc 
kkkkkkkkkkkk
2019-09-06 21:38
#308
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Poland pawuc 
xD
2019-09-17 00:35
#21
allu | 
Indonesia KAKKIKU 
Numbers dont lie
2019-09-06 13:04
#22
Monkey | 
Singapore go0s3 
no
2019-09-06 13:04
#23
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France J0riS 
Ntntnt liquid
2019-09-06 13:04
No
2019-09-06 13:05
#25
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Spain elskio 
No
2019-09-06 13:05
#29
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Turkey sonbafrali 
Navi will break this
2019-09-06 13:05
Expecto Maluko HLTV is a danish site luuuuuul bIASED AF
2019-09-06 13:05
#31
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Pakistan MeMeMeisteR2 
Guess I'm the.only.one 12+ years old in this thread but yeah looking at the stats liquid streak > astralis streak but looking at the facts (top teams) astralis streak >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liquid streak
2019-09-06 13:06
Looking at the stats? Astralis had way tougher compition in their run dawg. Ah, you didnt count top teams were stats. I see. But ofc liquid gonna have some better stats in some of the aspects, when they meet weaker opponents.
2019-09-06 14:36
#132
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Albania Rannyferret 
+1
2019-09-06 14:38
+1
2019-09-06 15:25
+1
2019-09-06 15:52
#237
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Pakistan MeMeMeisteR2 
+1
2019-09-07 14:10
no
2019-09-06 13:09
#33
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Denmark oskarsports 
no
2019-09-06 13:06
#34
s1 | 
Armenia gr1nch 
summer is gone astralis will smash them today
2019-09-06 13:07
#35
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Yugoslavia HeavySmoker 
No
2019-09-06 13:07
So far I'll give Astralis the edge, but Liquid's run isn't necessarily over just yet
2019-09-06 13:08
#41
hommii | 
Iceland ban1c 
> blast event > big event choose one
2019-09-06 13:08
astralis won against liquid in finals. liquid didnt. /thread
2019-09-06 13:09
#50
device | 
Denmark bebm 
thats not the reason astralis' run was better, ast run was better cuz they played more top teams and beat more top teams, and there was both the IGS and the major liquid beat astralis in the EPL playoffs, they didnt choose to play astralis in the QF it just happened that way, as long as u beat the other team its all good, doesnt matter if its finals or not
2019-09-06 13:11
No. One year at #1 /closed
2019-09-06 13:10
#117
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Albania Rannyferret 
+1
2019-09-06 14:26
#284
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Czech Republic Venckor 
Wtf man, the topic was about winning events in a row, which both team have the same (6 wins in a row), but they discussed which of these is more impressive. Here it is in my opinion liquid, because all the tournaments they have won where the ones with many good teams, not just like blastralis...
2019-09-09 18:43
#52
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
ofc not, no competition astralis did it against the top tier teams
2019-09-06 13:12
XD
2019-09-06 13:12
Didn't even know that there was any doubt about this topic :D
2019-09-06 13:12
Astralis’s run is way more impressive for sure
2019-09-06 13:13
This could be the game of the year, can't wait!! :):)
2019-09-06 13:14
#58
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Belgium jorneiro 
Liquid never had and never will have an era
2019-09-06 13:14
#59
oskar | 
Czech Republic PaYaB 
+1
2019-09-06 13:17
Fan of GamerLegion xaxaxaxa
2019-09-06 13:18
? Whats the problem with that ? You are a fan of ZywOo and you don’t see us complaining when we should xD
2019-09-06 15:26
#119
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Iceland ashyra 
A time where CS is more competitive than in 2018 and where they beat Astralis’s time to win the IGS? Never had an era? I want what you smoke.
2019-09-06 14:27
>More competitive >didnt play top teams Pick one
2019-09-06 14:38
+1
2019-09-06 15:27
#181
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Denmark iaintnojoke 
Bruh Liquid lost to Ence last major, after which Astralis decimated them. There is no question who was more dominant.
2019-09-06 17:05
#229
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Iceland ashyra 
You mean a TL that were trying to use a new style of play compared to their old one (the one they use now) and an ENCE whose players thrived on the broken AUG? Last time ENCE played Liquid, they got molested and hung out to dry.
2019-09-07 02:48
#245
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Denmark iaintnojoke 
Liquid thrived just as much using the AUG. Why do you think they're buying the SG all the time now? Everyone was using the shit out of that gun, that's a terrible excuse. Ence were the better team, plain and simple. Liquid "adjusting" is a piss poor exucse considering Astralis were adjusting their game all the time. Liquids loss yesterday proved they're a streaky team that wins on players being on point with their aim, once that fails them they have nothing to fall back on. They're a good team, but they have not and probably will never come close to the era Astralis had.
2019-09-07 20:21
#250
xseveN | 
Greece CMi_ 
Last time i checked tl Lost to avangar IN THEIR BEST MAP while ence DESTROYED Them 16-5 or sth. Also took so many years for team liquid to find a Good roster and start winning events, while ence got to the major finals the 1st time they attended One. Ence was never the same after the aug nerf. And liquid wont be the same if the SG gets nerfed. Such a dumb argument honestly
2019-09-07 22:05
#60
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Bulgaria NeonAssasin 
Didn't fnatic 2k15 early 2k16 had like 6 titles in a row aswell ? ??
2019-09-06 13:17
no, you can barely call liquids run an "era". Defeating 1 tier 1 team and winning the small tournaments vs defeating 5 top 10 teams and winning a major cannot be compared
2019-09-06 13:18
nips run better than both
2019-09-06 13:19
#251
xseveN | 
Greece CMi_ 
U cant compare these Times with now man
2019-09-07 22:07
No? People didnt play to the best of their abilities in 2012-13-14? Saying nips achivments does not mean as much as astralis last year because "it wasnt as competitive" is fucking absurd. Its like saying Argentinas world Championship in fotball 1986 menant nothing because the scene was improved 20 years later. Albert Einsteins achivments means shit because today we know more. Are you going to remove astralis achivments in 2022 because the cs scene will have improved?
2019-09-07 22:17
Liquid is doing great, but Astralis was more dominant
2019-09-06 13:20
Astralis prime > Liquid prime > Amazon prime
2019-09-06 13:20
#97
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United States ferric 
Dude Amazon prime best prime. 1 day free delivery on a lot of things.
2019-09-06 13:57
LETS GO LIQUID
2019-09-06 13:23
#69
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Australia JAY_DAWG 
Stats indicate Astralis, but I think Liquid have all-round been playing better.
2019-09-06 13:25
#71
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Portugal dracø 
I wouldn't count blast as a big event due to the format. Looking at this astralis has the edge for sure, they faced top teams and beat them way more than liquid did.
2019-09-06 13:25
#121
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Iceland ashyra 
People always forget how much more competitive it is now compared to 2018.
2019-09-06 14:29
#180
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Portugal dracø 
What do you mean? Pretty much every team is in disarray atm. If there is no stability in rosters, how can teams be competitive?
2019-09-06 17:00
#252
xseveN | 
Greece CMi_ 
Wym? NiP fnatic vp g2 and all the old teams that were Good in 2018 and in the past have roster changes, are not consistent etc etc. When #2 and #3 teams are vita and ence that has just now appeared you can see that 2019 might be the least competitive year of all time.
2019-09-07 22:13
#74
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Damn how closely both teams dominated for a stretch
2019-09-06 13:33
#137
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United Kingdom n33b 
Astralis dominated then turned into Blastralis and slept. Liquid dominated while everyone else was sleeping for about 6 months.
2019-09-06 15:00
#138
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Seems like a salty ass I hate liquid reply. Good job.
2019-09-06 15:02
#142
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United Kingdom n33b 
Salty ass I hate blastralis too reply. but it's obvious who dominated at a more competitive time and now everyone else is back liquid are shitting a brick.
2019-09-06 15:04
Looks like an astralis fan’s opinion doesn't matter excuse Great job!
2019-09-06 15:31
#75
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Denmark Karrigan500IQ 
Astralis G.O.A.T
2019-09-06 13:34
#76
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United States jaeger_steam 
Nice article. Would definitely say astralis has the edge here, and the major in there definitely offsets the extra blast event. Pretty cool that liquid is even in this conversation. Also, the amount of just stupid, unjustified hate on this site is pretty funny at times
2019-09-06 13:34
#125
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Iceland ashyra 
BLAST is BLAST, always skewing stats and Liquid got a major in there. Their tournament wins are in a more competitive time, quicker than Astralis’s IGS time, and not skewed by every other team being bad but one.
2019-09-06 14:31
#140
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United Kingdom n33b 
Who's wins came at a more competitive time sorry? Your English is terrible but it sounds like you're trying to suggest liquid beat better teams for their wins? If so you're seriously deluded. Everyone's slept for like 6 months and are finally waking up & now liquid shit their pants LUL
2019-09-06 15:03
+1
2019-09-06 15:33
+1
2019-09-06 16:47
24-0
2019-09-06 13:35
If Liquid wins this Major i would consider them better, but not right now.
2019-09-06 13:35
Did both teams just lost to NRG during this major? LOL
2019-09-06 13:41
#309
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Poland pawuc 
did both and nrg lose to astralis in champions stage? LOL
2019-09-17 00:38
Clearly Astralis run is way more impressive then liquids current run. Astralis is the better team. Liquid is playing catchup. But they are getting there :-) Imo zywoo should join G2 instead of lucy. Or Apex should join them. Na'vi need to form the best of csi region. NRG and renegades are good as they are. Perhaps intime valde or someone to Astralis but maybe their roster is best left as they are. Sweden needs to form their best lineup already in fnatic with krimz, brollan and JW. Mousesports need to molt further. And ENCE with Sunny, Serg & AlaksiB & Otton, xseven. Or allu but two awpers is too much unless one of them can rifle really well. Then you can talk about competition. Perhaps Niko needs to join Cr4zy.
2019-09-06 13:41
#83
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United States Trump2020KAG 
So much at stake for liquid First major Record for most wins in a row Era confirmed Greatest team ever in cs Plus I think stew will pass Astralis players for highest earnings ever for a csgo player
2019-09-06 13:41
Sad it ain’t gonna happen, even if they win against astralis they will not reach the finals because of NRG
2019-09-06 15:35
And that is exactly why they will choke. Reply me after game to let me know if this aged Well. Thanks in advance
2019-09-06 16:48
aged well
2019-09-09 11:39
#84
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North America HaHaFunny 
wtf ?? tldr ??
2019-09-06 13:41
#118
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Albania Rannyferret 
+1
2019-09-06 14:26
#88
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Czech Republic ZajiiCZ 
HLTV danish site...
2019-09-06 13:46
Oh yeah and Furia needs to take in coldzera and perhaps fer. Fer fits their style, colfzera plays the offset of this style. I think that would work brilliantly.
2019-09-06 13:47
#92
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Finland aleksi21324 
Liquid Must WiN Because J bet on them
2019-09-06 13:50
#93
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United States ferric 
maybe wait until after this major to make this article?
2019-09-06 13:55
LMAO DANISH HLTV CHECKS OUT XAXAXAXXAXA
2019-09-06 13:56
so Astralis > Liquid by this
2019-09-06 13:57
Tbh Liquid had only one final where they trashed their opponent as hard as Astralis did last year and that was Chicago against ENCE
2019-09-06 13:59
#128
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Iceland ashyra 
What about every close final TL played against Astralis last year? Those weren’t stomps. It was hard fought all the way. TL had a mini-era as the gatekeepers to the final.
2019-09-06 14:33
ehm no Edit: marsaille. 16-3 16-3. faceit 16-8 16-7. chicago 16-7 16-4. sao paulo 16-8 16-2
2019-09-06 17:20
#100
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Denmark Nikolaim88 
This just proves my threat from a few days ago.
2019-09-06 14:03
as much as i hate astralis I have to give it to them, they were at one point the best roster to ever touch cs
2019-09-06 14:07
EZ4LIQUID
2019-09-06 14:09
#107
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Denmark Ch4nz9 
Astralis for sure
2019-09-06 14:09
+1
2019-09-06 17:59
#108
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United Kingdom aight_bet 
lmao nt. defeated more top10 competition. yea faze and sk who were sucking big dicks at the time and fnatic and mouz were top3 and 2
2019-09-06 14:11
tl;dr Astralis run was most impressive, but Liquid run is not over.
2019-09-06 14:17
Why are we even having this conversation? Liquid have NOT won a major, to compare the two is just nonsense.
2019-09-06 14:18
look at the teams attending it's clearly not the same level
2019-09-06 14:24
word. finally someone with brains in the house 🤷
2019-09-06 14:28
#129
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Iceland ashyra 
Several pros have said and stated that you do not need a major title win to have an era. Cologne /=/ Katowice. Name checks out by the way.
2019-09-06 14:35
so whats the most prestige thing people want from this game?? it aint money kid, they all be earning shitloads of money that it becomes boring, even team nr 18 in the list gets well paid... its about prestige kid, and thats the moafuggin major in csgo esports. talk to me when u get this 😉
2019-09-06 14:36
#230
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Iceland ashyra 
So what is the most prestigious thing people want from this game? It's not money kid, because they're all earning shit loads of money so much so that it becomes boring. Even the number eighteen team in the world gets well paid. It's about prestige kid, and that's defined by the mother fucking major in Counter Strike Global Offensive. Talk to me when you get this. ;) P.S. IGS > Major
2019-09-07 02:52
IGS counts on major-wins. Again “major”. Hahahha mentally ill got rekt. /muted kid 😉😘🔥
2019-09-07 10:54
#130
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Iceland ashyra 
Many pros have said and stated that you do not need a major title win to have an era. Cologne /=/ Katowice by the way.
2019-09-06 14:36
MAJOR IS MAJOR . NOT TOURNAMENT
2019-09-06 14:52
#139
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United States G0LDEAR 
Danish website lul
2019-09-06 15:02
#145
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North America pieisgood186 
They won a major and the only reason Astralis has a lower match and win record is because they blew everyone out 2-0 in the bo3 meanwhile Liquid always chokes a map against some random team. If they win this major then they can be called the best CS team of all time. Not as it stands right now though.
2019-09-06 15:06
#147
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United Kingdom n33b 
Even if they win this major they still have the weakest era of all time until it extends way beyond. The other teams are FINALLY back to form. Poor deluded NA actually believed your team were amazing when really it was the other teams being dogshit. I mean look at fnatic now & that was the type of team you were meeting in grand finals. That was the fucking state of CS during your almighty era. There is no comparison here NA LUL
2019-09-06 15:12
#173
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North America pieisgood186 
I'm not arguing for NA/Liquid lol?
2019-09-06 16:13
#174
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United Kingdom n33b 
Oh sorry thought you were (Move my reply to below someone who was then lul). Re-read your 1st sentence and it still doesn't make sense or I'm reading it wrong. Wouldn't liquid choking random maps improve Astralis' record how can that be the reason for it being lower? Anyway neither team will be best CS team of all time regardless of who wins this.
2019-09-06 16:26
#149
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Sweden Trkmag 
GOAT team if they win this major? Are you disabled
2019-09-06 15:12
#222
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Estonia sux3ss 
They will never win a major
2019-09-07 00:54
#150
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Sweden Trkmag 
Lmao obvious answer, Liquid isn’t close to the all-time greats, as fnatic and Astralis
2019-09-06 15:13
#158
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Serbia GODKipato 
Astralis' run is more impressive tbf
2019-09-06 15:36
"with the North American team suffering their single loss in a best-of-one affair against North while Astralis lost two series, to FaZe and MIBR." My favorite part
2019-09-06 15:42
na so bad get rekt lol
2019-09-18 09:11
#168
liTTle | 
CIS Dowa) 
NA rekt with facts
2019-09-06 15:58
Astralis > Liquid
2019-09-06 16:36
#176
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Kuwait Yarrak 
the answer is fnatic btw
2019-09-06 16:40
definitely not, anyone who thinks so is delusional.
2019-09-06 16:42
even if liquid era ends today it will be far superior to the astralis era.
2019-09-06 17:12
what XD how tf did liquid even have an "era"??? they have been good in an unimportant time of the year where many teams didnt even attend tournaments (vitality was in the top3 wtf). if you even try to say liquid had an era you have to name teams like ldlc/envyus or even old tsm lol. i hate the era-talk anyway but it's clear that in new csgo: 1. astralis 2. fnatic 3. the brazilians and in oldd csgo: nip
2019-09-06 18:09
Want to remind that 2010 is era of NaVi in cs. Also there was mTw.
2019-09-09 16:47
But i'm only talking about GO (markeloff<3)
2019-09-09 18:26
The 6 last stats in the 2nd pic say it all. No Article needed. Astralis > Liquid
2019-09-06 18:03
Astralis was in a state that watch tournaments with them was extremely boring, because they were so dominant. I still don't feel this with Liquid And I don't think astralis on his peek loses matches like Liquid loses right now
2019-09-06 18:09
how tf did liquid even have an "era"??? they have been good in an unimportant time of the year where many teams didnt even attend tournaments (vitality was in the top3 wtf). if you even try to say liquid had an era you have to name teams like ldlc/envyus or even old tsm lol. i hate the era-talk anyway but it's clear that in new csgo: 1. astralis 2. fnatic 3. the brazilians and in oldd csgo: nip
2019-09-06 18:09
Astralis 3xMajor >>> Liquid 0xMajor Simple as that!
2019-09-06 19:34
#199
f0rest | 
Germany Gloin 
Astralis are back to back Major winners. There really is no question here.
2019-09-06 20:02
No lmfao
2019-09-06 21:17
#203
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Europe xrnavkha 
Nope
2019-09-06 21:17
No lol
2019-09-06 21:19
No lol
2019-09-06 22:04
#216
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Bulgaria VPSkype 
Where are the haters after Liquid lost 2-0 at the Major? NA CS LUL
2019-09-06 23:25
No
2019-09-06 23:27
#220
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Iceland caverat 
XAXAXAXAXXAXA
2019-09-06 23:49
Impressive numbers by Astralis. I thought Liquid were better.
2019-09-07 01:25
You don't like Bolsonaro, that's why you was wrong
2019-09-09 11:32
Obviously. Liquid has been better in every way
2019-09-07 02:29
The match result proved you wrong dude
2019-09-07 14:58
also astralis is just a boring team, so it has no charisma to bring cs up to the next level
2019-09-07 02:29
Lol blind
2019-09-07 08:59
+1
2019-09-09 11:31
You can't enjoy watching a chess match if you don't know the rules. You find Astralis' game boring because you don't have the capacity to see what they are doing.
2019-09-10 15:21
they are the best, but they dont have the charisma of champions, actually they dont have charisma at all. They play ultra defensive of course this might not be relevant, but for some people it kinda matters, to be remembered and liked, to make exciting games. Its like Larry Holmes heavyweight 20 title defense reign, nobody cares
2019-09-10 17:41
Ultra defensive? Man this team destroyed Liquid on both vertigo and overpass by aggressive pushes on CT side. Magisk and Gla1ve generally were on their back when they were in execution. It took rounds to figure out for Liquid to watch back. Elige was the one that was able to neutralize Astralis' game. Dev1ce and Gla1ve also played aggressive on Vertigo ramp. These maybe particular examples but it is generally what Astralis does. Please watch some interview with pros about Astralis' dominance, it may give you some clue about Astralis' charisma. They are in their opponents head even before the game. There are theories that Astralis defeat some strong teams easily because of the opponents' respect to the Astralis. Their game is not boring, their game just doesn't involve heroic individual plays that much and only few can make heroic plays against them. I think this is why you think they are boring.
2019-09-10 18:57
Hello liquid fans
2019-09-07 14:13
#242
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Europe Cr3eP_70 
I only buy things for myself if I like it, no matter criticism, stats, package or any other attempt to sell something that I do not enjoy. Having said this, I don't give a rat's ass about what "specialists" *coff coff* say about both teams. To be crystal clear, when Astralis was playing, I don't even bother to find a stream; When Liquid play, I made my best efforts to be catching a stream and to enjoy the game. Whatever else "specialists" *coff coff* say about this matter, it's just like looking at zeros and ones...
2019-09-07 17:50
#273
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United States ferric 
+1
2019-09-09 06:37
Stupid question ofc GODstralis was, is and always will be better than CHOQuid
2019-09-07 21:17
#256
Zeus | 
Turkey kadirw0w 
I think Liquids run was more impressive
2019-09-08 10:17
Liquid era have ever strated Change my mind
2019-09-08 16:12
i know you're from brazil but please learn english.
2019-09-18 17:04
#265
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Bulgaria No_1One 
No :)
2019-09-08 19:31
#268
ZywOo | 
Europe PowwneD 
No rofl
2019-09-08 20:41
NA CS OMEGALUL
2019-09-09 11:09
Astralis >>>>>>>>> TL run
2019-09-09 11:38
#281
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Israel TheLoveGuy 
LOL!
2019-09-09 16:47
#282
Jame | 
Yugoslavia Ivica 
4 majors what a question
2019-09-09 17:09
#287
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Canada rdss 
EU>ALL
2019-09-09 21:42
So Astralis
2019-09-09 22:44
IMO they were both impressive af, GG to both these amazing teams
2019-09-10 10:23
#290
s1mple | 
Denmark zewydk 
why do all the Americans always turn to "well we have more military might"
2019-09-10 11:17
#300
s1mple | 
Sweden DiTzZ 
That map, and especially series record is impressive AF, but the answer is no, sadly.
2019-09-14 21:40
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