Valve takes stance against tournament exclusivity rules

Valve has taken a firm stance against tournament organisers restricting teams from attending events hosted by a rival company.

In a blog post titled "Keeping Things Competitive", Valve stated that exclusivity rules "could cause long-term damage" to the scene and "prevent other events from keeping the CSGO ecosystem functioning if an individual event fails."

The statement comes after a report by Dexerto revealed that ESL was planning to introduce a number of strict exclusivity rules in the Pro League next year, in which the showpiece competition will be included in the ESL Pro Tour. HLTV.org then provided further context to the section quoted in that report, which belonged to a draft of an agreement that would only be signed by a number of teams competing in the ESL Pro League.

Valve seemingly addresses ESL's attempt to bring exclusivity rules to the Pro League without mentioning the German tournament organiser

Valve stressed that, while it welcomes "experiments that are scoped large enough to identify new and interesting opportunities," it is firmly against changes "so large that, if they fail, it would be hard for the ecosystem to recover."

"At this time we are not interested in providing licenses for events that restrict participating teams from attending other events," Valve wrote.

Valve, which reiterated its stance against multiple team ownership and potential conflicts of interest involving teams, players and tournament organisers, also commented on the controversy surrounding the broadcasting rights for the Counter-Strike Majors.

The debate was sparked during the second day of the Major as several community streamers had their Twitch channels taken down following copyright strikes issued by StarLadder. As criticism mounted, the Major organiser withdrew all DMCA claims and gave community broadcasts in certain languages the chance to broadcast footage off of GOTV on their channels.

Valve insists that a Major operator "has always been the only party" with a license to broadcast the competition but noted that it expects a Major partner to be "as inclusive as possible" to give fans across the globe the best possible viewing experience in all languages.

"Major tournament operators are expected to work with streamers in order to provide viewers with access to valuable alternative content and underserved languages, whether through official streams or otherwise," Valve added.

"Anyone that wants to offer a unique perspective and co-stream the Major should reach out to the Major tournament operator ahead of time in order to ensure a good experience for everyone involved."

Meanwhile, Valve revealed that the tournament items for the StarLadder Major will pay out "over $11 million" to the participating teams and players who were in Berlin.

#1
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Other Phinks 
Cool. Now fix the fucking game.
2019-09-19 01:48
whats wrong with the game ?
2019-09-19 01:51
#42
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Brazil h8er^_^ 
VAC sucks
2019-09-19 02:04
Cya next year when Valve says something else
2019-09-19 02:16
good job Valve
2019-09-19 04:41
Gaben is so smart
2019-09-19 13:36
#313
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Belgium BIG__DADDY 
Lord GabeN
2019-09-19 18:04
It works well now
2019-09-19 03:20
lol I was spinning 10 mins ago
2019-09-19 05:50
Flag checks out
2019-09-19 07:20
#173
ZywOo | 
France Zywho 
Forsaken LuL
2019-09-19 07:46
Sensitivity 100. Easy spin
2019-09-19 07:59
#236
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Netherlands Jonasio 
+1
2019-09-19 10:48
#206
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Turkey Slapdash 
Gtfo.
2019-09-19 08:55
They gave you a break, they know it must be hard shitting outside every day.
2019-09-19 12:38
#339
hommii | 
Iceland ban1c 
cya in 10
2019-09-20 10:22
#190
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Hong Kong Free_HK 
??? Vac is still signature-based anti-cheat so everyone can just "make" simple cheat using some c++ base and make it ud by adding jc/deleting some features. It just doesn't work, you don't even need anything more than 20iq below average to bypass vac.
2019-09-19 08:02
#247
k0nfig | 
Netherlands miles- 
VAC has been running in parallel with VACnet. A new way of detecting bots with neural networks.
2019-09-19 11:32
#272
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Hong Kong Free_HK 
It's true, but you still can just cheat with a legit aimbot, legit aa, backtrack, chams/esp and if your cheat is private then you'll never get banned. VACnet is actually working only when you turn on rage features like rage aim, normal anti-aim, etc.
2019-09-19 13:04
a good conversation between 2 cheaters
2019-09-19 13:51
#312
k0nfig | 
Netherlands miles- 
No it's not actually. As far as they have disclosed it analyzes data such as mouse movement, positional movement, reaction to sound cue's. All classified by type such as MM rank, positively tested hacker data and professionals. The model is being actively trained by people doing Overwatch and VACnet alone is still not accurate enough to let it be decisive.
2019-09-19 17:55
#271
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Portugal ArChii_cs 
+1
2019-09-19 12:53
I use c# b*tch
2019-09-19 22:42
#141
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United States Degree|CSGO 
Vac is insanely good considering it isn’t a client
2019-09-19 05:57
It is client sided?
2019-09-19 09:20
It isn't client. It's server sided.
2019-09-19 10:49
VAC is clientsided. It just has very few scanning methods where they mostly check the Signature of the programs on your computer. There are a few snippets of code on Cheat forums that will let you bypass VAC.
2019-09-19 11:54
If its client sided cheaters get insta banned :v the reason that isn't happening is because its server sided and hard to trace hacks
2019-09-19 12:13
wait im confused. All this while i thought its server sided. can you send me an article proving this ?
2019-09-19 12:17
How would there be server side hacks? Volvo or other server providers control the executable on the server. Any hack is installed locally and is a client side hack. It will trick the server but it's certainly not server side
2019-09-19 14:05
It is a client, numbskull
2019-09-19 09:24
It isn't client. It's server sided.
2019-09-19 10:50
Dumb - 1
2019-09-19 14:06
#336
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United States Degree|CSGO 
It’s not a client in the sense that it’s not intrusive like faceit or esea
2019-09-20 02:00
#142
KRIMZ | 
Indonesia w8rloO 
this is the only thing that need to be fixed in game
2019-09-19 06:06
you're a moron if you think VAC sucks non-intrusive anti cheat with bans hundreds of thousands a month, and only gets smarter with each case, I havent seen a cheater in months
2019-09-19 06:38
#151
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Czech Republic Xedys 
+1 same
2019-09-19 06:56
+1 hate these kids who dont understand how hard it can be to make a proper anti-cheat, vac is good.
2019-09-19 06:59
I had four cheaters last week, i am SUP and they all were max. LEM, so i guess it gets worse further down the skillchain, which makes sense ...
2019-09-19 07:21
#172
shox | 
Romania dreww_ 
Dont tryhard mm. Play it for fun
2019-09-19 07:45
I'll do man, my semi pro days are looong long behind me and on a different cs version ;) so i only play for having fun in the game -- but it's no fun playing against/with cheaters.
2019-09-19 07:53
#195
nex | 
Germany BOUNTY_Y 
Gut dass keiner nach deinem Lebenslauf gefragt hat
2019-09-19 08:11
Why so unfriendly?
2019-09-19 09:59
schnitzel mit tunke esser is toxic
2019-09-19 18:49
+1
2019-09-19 11:08
#207
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Turkey Slapdash 
i haven't seen a cheater since prime. Get your trust factor up.
2019-09-19 08:57
#279
nex | 
Germany BOUNTY_Y 
Not that easy when you were global or highrank in general then get unranked and come back with like 5 ranks lower as you were and logically destroy your enemies every game and get massive reports after that.
2019-09-19 13:50
#287
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Turkey Slapdash 
That'a pretty specific situation and if i were in that case, i would just explain it on the server if someone called me out a cheater
2019-09-19 14:13
#293
nex | 
Germany BOUNTY_Y 
I mean its not a rare case nowdays and tbh you dont believe anyone cares and give a damn about your Explanation. They will Report you no matter what - thats our community
2019-09-19 15:09
#294
tHm | 
Denmark tHm 
As someone in the exact same situation, I can tell you that no one on a CSGO server gives a shit about what you say, once you kill them through a smoke once or get a good timing on them once, they're tilted the rest of the game and will report you. There's no trust in CS and there never was, stop being naive.
2019-09-19 15:11
#322
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Turkey Slapdash 
I know i'm sounding so naive but i have an alt account and i only play when i'm bored or don't have access to Steam guard but my trust factor is high since i haven't seen any hacker in that account too. I usually say that i'm a smurf and i'll que with the enemy team to justify their loss
2019-09-19 20:44
#326
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Turkey Slapdash 
Dude actually i sound so naive and courteous i might as well change my flag to canada xDD
2019-09-19 20:56
I know right! I played a lot games and i didnt met any cheater (in faceit)
2019-09-19 07:52
#199
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Poland bot_taz 
i saw cheater on my team, with wall hacks single AK rank
2019-09-19 08:30
Then report him and let overwatch ban him ez fix
2019-09-19 14:07
#300
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Poland bot_taz 
i did, already banned steamcommunity.com/profiles/765611989902.. , i tried to kick him for like 8 rounds ffs
2019-09-19 16:04
i play on sup/global and i did not see any cheaters for a long time. on smurf you see way more (dmg/le) depends also on trustfactor :)
2019-09-19 09:33
I don't see many cheaters these days either, but it's mostly because of prime and trust factor. VAC pretty much only detects free cheats and aimbots on very unsafe settings. Most P2C services have been running undetected for 5+ years. Even battleye does a better job. The hundreds of thousands of bans per month are all throwaway accounts. You can literally see the date CSGO went free to play in VAC statistics. The anticheat is just as crap as it was in 2014.
2019-09-19 13:58
+1 exactly If you have a half way decent trust factor cheaters are very rare
2019-09-19 14:06
you can get away with using open source cheats from 2015 VAC sucks dick Also you’re in the minority bc most people get cheaters
2019-09-19 14:29
People who dont play the game often get cheaters because their trust factor sucks, anybody can buy prime and cheat, but VAC and Overwatch are quite effective for being non-intrusive
2019-09-20 01:32
Same
2019-09-26 19:24
If your trust factor is good enough, you won't meet hackers. My TF is too good, I see hacker in like 1/50 matches, which is pretty good.
2019-09-19 07:34
#209
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Germany h1treX 
Your trust factor sucks bc you suck
2019-09-19 09:00
#235
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Sweden Zaser5 
+1
2019-09-19 10:44
#331
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Brazil h8er^_^ 
I don't even have trust factor since I do not play CSGO anymore bcus of stupid cheaters
2019-09-19 23:29
VAC is a full complex system. VAC is good, but there's always new hacks so it takes time to update, hence when they can, the VAC wave happens
2019-09-19 13:53
dude phinks its still 2012 (._.')
2019-09-19 02:05
FPS bug? Smoke+HE/Molo bug? The radar showing enemies that are not visible? Inconsistent grenade damage?
2019-09-19 02:27
#74
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United States Powertitan 
FPS bug, get a better pc lmao. Smoke+HE/Molo bug, for smoke i assume? get a better pc lmao. the radar showing enemies that are not visible? already fixed. Inconsistent grenade damage? welcome to real fucking life, you can not value damage from shrapnell as you can with an aimed gun
2019-09-19 02:35
get a better brain
2019-09-19 02:49
#87
CeRq | 
Poland RoDaK 
" Smoke+HE/Molo bug, for smoke i assume? get a better pc lmao." do you even know what is he talking about? when you throw a smoke and a molotov behind it and there's an enemy between them you can get a slight wallhack on certain angles, been there for ages, doesnt matter what pc you use it appears quite often if you know how to use it
2019-09-19 02:53
#102
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United States Powertitan 
i was referring to something else, show me proof it is wallhack, everything i have seen has been just being able to see the molly through it,
2019-09-19 03:17
#107
fer | 
Brazil _Awper 
He is talking about this: encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%.. Do you even play the game?
2019-09-19 03:23
#108
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United States Powertitan 
literally not even a problem, when i start seeing pro's abuse it than it will be a problem. you still have to buy util and be lucky in your positioning aswell as with your timing with the molly and their movement. literally not game breaking just dont be retarded
2019-09-19 03:29
its obviously a problem you fucking gold nova and the fps issue happends in every computer, doesnt matter what ur specs are, dont be braindead
2019-09-19 04:19
#128
f0rest | 
Mexico bfish8 
agreed, full retard open player. "when you start seeing pros abuse it than it will be a problem"...it's more of a random occurence then a play that you can setup and it absolutely is a problem. it's a glitch in the game that gives an advantage to somebody for no reason. in a crucial 1v1, with a smoke down, if you throw a grenade behind it and see the enemy hiding in the smoke - when you had no idea where he was - and you 1 tap him - and it resets your team - down 12-13 already - you just lost the round and the match because of Valve error instead of potentially winning that round and going on to win the match with a fair chance.
2019-09-19 04:54
Imagine getting baited that hard and writing a whole fuckin essay, I feel sorry for you men)
2019-09-19 06:49
Lol .. it's like when u know your said something u shouldn't u be like "imagine getting baited that hard" it wasn't a fucking bait ..it was your bruh iq
2019-09-19 08:58
No? The fucking American gold nova couldn't admit he was wrong, typical NA iq OMEGALUL
2019-09-19 09:29
#270
CeRq | 
Poland RoDaK 
typical amerifat
2019-09-19 12:53
#120 men)) im gold nova and im not nearly as stupid as this guy is.
2019-09-19 06:59
#171
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Indonesia Chonji 
Retarded gold nova lul Expected from lulquid fan
2019-09-19 07:44
#90
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Australia MuIan 
TYPICAL BURGER LMAO
2019-09-19 03:00
#94
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United States Powertitan 
go eat some fruit with razor blades in them
2019-09-19 03:10
#126
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Australia MuIan 
go get shot eating fruit with razor blades in them BURGER LMAO
2019-09-19 04:44
There is FPS bug. I played with friends a lot and in some random moment everyone's fps drops under 100
2019-09-19 07:54
Jesus christ, you are a retard. Do you even play this game?
2019-09-19 10:26
#291
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United States Powertitan 
your country doesnt even exist bro, just wait till i cut off your money
2019-09-19 14:48
nt
2019-09-19 16:06
fps bug? lol
2019-09-19 03:00
There is such a thing
2019-09-19 07:54
Just type snd_debug_sleep in the consol and it fixes
2019-09-19 08:28
Fps drops from 200 to 10 sometimes at the start of the round and you need to use a command to fix it. The bug appeared after the aug nerf.
2019-09-19 10:22
Verirfying intergity of game cache fixes stuttering after big updates. Framerate drop like that is not a common bug
2019-09-19 12:46
I don't mean stuttering, I mean this: twitch.tv/s1mple/clip/ToughTolerantGoril.. There is no permanent fix for it, only a command you can use once it happens. It's random and doesn't happen every game, but it isn't uncommon at all.
2019-09-19 13:10
link does not work np it works.. never seen that in game
2019-09-19 16:24
#96
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Brazil hakkinen10 
+1
2019-09-19 03:14
HEs are shit, p250 is stupid, not having perfect first bullet accuracy on rifles is dumb, radar bugs Movement sucks in this game but that's too big a change. Arguably the awp isnt that good anymore, but it forcing more versatility from players might be seen as a good thing
2019-09-19 02:32
+1 for p250 nerf the movement speed and make it so a headshot + a body shot doesnt kill, instead a headshot + 2 body shots or 2 headshots
2019-09-19 02:42
#93
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Indonesia rareguy 
HEs are fine P250 is fine, it's inaccurate with sufficient damage throughput for $300 Perfect first bullet accuracy on rifle? What do you expect from cheap weapon? Radar bug? What? Movement will correlate to standing vs running accuracy. I don't want CSGO to be COD that can run n gun with rifle and even sniper. AWP is now an "extension" rather than "main skill". I think that's why now many dedicated AWPers learning rifle as well.
2019-09-19 03:07
A player's aim should never be penalized by randomization in the pattern, at least not on the first shot. It removes skill/talent and means consistency isn't always guaranteed, which is stupid. CS isn't like COD, you have never been able to just run-spray and kill people effectively, changing first bullet accuracy won't affect that since it requires a lack of movement to be accurate.
2019-09-19 03:40
#139
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Indonesia rareguy 
Yes, that's why changing movement technique will have either a changing meta or an utter failure. Imagine all guns have a pinpoint accuracy on first shot standing or at least crouching. You should have known counter-strafing technique that can imitates standing accuracy. Unless you're on Dust 2 specifically from goose to pit and you missed your one tap shot, I think it's unnecessary to change it.
2019-09-19 05:42
#274
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Pakistan MeMeMeisteR2 
What are u even trying to say
2019-09-19 13:08
100% accuracy removes the issue of someone being on a person's head and whiffing due to RNG while another player's inaccurate shot connects. Counter-strafing is such a minor thing in relation to that, the hitboxes in CS:GO arent large, so being accurate is kind of important. You're acting like counter-strafes are somehow as ridiculous as full running accuracy, which they clearly aren't.
2019-09-19 16:02
#302
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Indonesia rareguy 
It's not the big factor, but definitely something to consider.
2019-09-19 16:07
Like believe me, I get the concern, but I think it'd balance some of the skill ceiling. I also detest pistols in CS:GO, personally. They're the most randomized aspect of the game to me.
2019-09-19 16:49
+1
2019-09-19 07:24
csgo first bullet is more accurate than in 1.6
2019-09-19 12:47
VAC's trash DEMOUI is still absolute garbage still not 128tick servers in mm lol, not that it affects me
2019-09-19 12:33
HEs blow. They never do damage how they're supposed to when they get caught on dumb stuff like a stair or something Nope. A player's skill should never be penalized as a balancing mechanic. Just make it do less damage or something if a famas having first bullet accuracy is really such a big deal Yeah there is always some kooky bug that people find and it usually gets fixed in like a month I'm not saying you should be able to run and gun, I'm just saying this game feels kind of clunky. I obviously don't want people running at a thousand miles per hour that are impossible to shoot, but I think there are some changes that can be made Like I said, awp nerf is arguable Also something I forgot, make model heads the center so it doesn't change directions when they turn, and make vision come out of the center of the model so you can't hold angles you aren't visible in, and get rid of dumb shit on the models you can't shoot like those dumb little backpack things on the dust2 CTs And while I'm getting nitpicky, have an option to get rid of ragdolls those things are so annoying
2019-09-19 15:13
Thumbs Up.
2019-09-19 18:17
#34
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Cyprus Xeeh 
fix what exactly?
2019-09-19 01:58
mm 128 tick servers pls
2019-09-19 02:02
#41
JD | 
Poland halucyn0 
that is not needed
2019-09-19 02:03
ok silver
2019-09-19 02:10
play faceit silver, it's free
2019-09-19 02:12
#88
NiKo | 
Latvia DEADGRAVE 
restarted faceit users play inferno and mirage only lmao
2019-09-19 02:54
#113
shox | 
France Zyw0o1v9 
retarted*
2019-09-19 03:56
#136
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Moldova not_mohamed 
retarded*
2019-09-19 05:26
people with a disability*
2019-09-19 07:03
#182
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Brazil mrk15 
mental disability*
2019-09-19 07:54
#186
Hobbit | 
African Union H0B0 
Your mama *
2019-09-19 07:58
you could literally play faceit or some shit for free. quit being a lazy bitch and just download it
2019-09-19 02:09
#49
kennyS | 
United States RiseCS 
Honestly this is dumbest request, you're not a pro you don't need 128 tick l, a player of mm and face it, the difference is not great enough to warrant whining
2019-09-19 02:10
128 tick is literally twice as fast as mm servers at 64 tick. it's very noticeable imo.
2019-09-19 08:10
#225
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Germany Trax_ 
it isnt... check youtube videos, people turned their server from 128 Tick to 64 and nobody complained. If you wouldnt know, you wouldnt notice.
2019-09-19 09:55
i've been playing cs for a very long time. back in the 1.6 days, before tickrate tweaks, the only thing you could tweak server side was the FPS it ran at. 500 fps and 1000 fps servers, you could tell a huge diff. nades pull out faster, guns respond quicker/snappier, it's a great experience. i see the same differences between 64 and 128tic servers. perhaps i am more sensitive to these things than others, but it makes a huge difference in the gameplay. i don't know how many crazy shots i've hit on 64 tic that were NOWHERE near the enemy. esp when i awp with 50+ ping on a 64 tic. most of the time those shots would not land on 128 tic.
2019-09-19 18:44
Cant do that! Not everyone has good pc's. When i played on laptop on mm i had 60 fps but on faceit 40. And 128 ticks affects fps
2019-09-19 07:56
the aug and sg... noone needs this shit
2019-09-19 02:20
#66
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Cyprus Xeeh 
been in the game since day 1
2019-09-19 02:22
+1
2019-09-19 03:15
#146
Twistzz | 
Finland remm_ 
+1
2019-09-19 06:34
...whats wrong with them?
2019-09-19 03:16
They havent been nerft, just price lower and everyone says now its too op cuz of price bruh. That is a scoped rifle, it must be better than ak or m4
2019-09-19 07:57
#221
rain | 
Czech Republic CyberBOT 
Well, the AUG is now priced just as it was before, so... Also, it was nerfed a bit, decreased unscoped accuracy and shit... In all honesty, I think both guns have a place in the game and I wouldn't change it all that much. Yeah, the guns have a scope, but they're a bit 'worse' in close range (less predictable spray pattern, slower rate of fire, stuff like that...) and it kinda evens out.
2019-09-19 09:30
I agree. Also there should be AWP nerf cuz people are getting good with it! removed bullets 5/25 No double scope more expensive IT would really make sense to nerf it cuz aug got nerft cuz everyone was getting good and it was op and now it time for AWP
2019-09-19 14:59
AUG is complete shit now and SG is hard to learn, not an issue...
2019-09-19 09:35
#211
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Turkey Slapdash 
>Valve actually cares about the game, community, and the pro scene > UuGGHh fiX thE gAeM vOLvo doN't cArE aBoUt gAeM
2019-09-19 09:01
#227
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Germany Trax_ 
they dont though
2019-09-19 09:55
#241
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Other Phinks 
They do not. They care about making money and focus on wrong fucking things. I don’t play this game anymore so tbf i shouldnt even complain. But 7 years into the game and still no fucking 128 tick mm servers. No fucking tuscan cus they don’t want to buy out the rights of the map from the creator. Weapon tweaks which are almost never there. Edit; what about VAC
2019-09-19 10:59
why did u play mm in 2019 anyway LULW
2019-09-19 11:40
#328
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Other Phinks 
Do you even read? It’s a point to explain that valve only cares about cs the way they want and don’t really appreciate the dedicated people in the community
2019-09-19 22:23
#284 and yes i read it wrong
2019-09-21 04:28
#284
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Turkey Slapdash 
1) in order to get 128 tick servers vast majority of people playing CSGO needs to have a good enough pc and internet which the surveys that valve does shows it's not enough. 2) idk about the rights of a particular map and tuscan is not suitable for a competitive map. And in my opinion casual maps needs new and fresh maps so it stays fun. 3)Weapons are near being perfectly polished as long as meta goes. We just saw scoped automatic rifles being adjusted so it can be used more in the meta. 4)VAC is getting better and better with VACnet and VACnet doesn't just improve the anti cheat system, we've seen it also contributes to bots as now the deathmatch bots act more human-like. Also the prime AND trust factor really gives you a good experience if you've got GOOD trust factor which you can't know but if you're getting hackers in your game know that your trust factor is shit. Since trust factor i've seen max. 3 or 4 cheaters which weren't even blatant.
2019-09-19 14:06
#290
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Australia Chereska 
+1
2019-09-19 14:41
history doesnt prove that. Tuscan has alwyas been shitty map, despite being played in tournaments. Btw de_dust1 and de_aztec were also played back then
2019-09-19 19:19
#334
tHm | 
Denmark tHm 
Tuscan is in no way, shape or form comparable to aztec and dust. Tuscan was played in modern times and was statistically one of the most balanced maps.
2019-09-20 01:22
10 years ago is not "modern". Players were bad, teams were bad, the scene was not competitive enough. Thats just your opinion on tuscan. There were also maps like de_contra de_prodigy de_piranesi de_cpl_mill de_chateau de_season and i have forgotten 2 maps at least, which names i cant remember
2019-09-22 03:10
#344
tHm | 
Denmark tHm 
None of which were played in competitive CS era. 2010 CS 1.6 was a very competitive time, in both games. And cpl_mill is literally tuscan, just reskinned specifically for CPL events. You clearly don't even know what you're talking about. Why not also bring up italy, assault, dust and office too? Aztec? Maps that were actually used in tournaments back in the early days - unlike every single one of the maps you just listed off, except for season (only in source) and mill, which was essentially the same as tuscan. Tuscan is a great map. It stood the test of time. it was a popular map in tournaments in both 1.6 and Source. It was heavily requested in the earlier days of CSGO. There can be many reasons as to why the map isnt in competitive play right now, but one thing is for certain, despite how poor you are at judging maps, and that is that tuscan is not left out due to its lack of competitive balance. You're delusional.
2019-09-22 17:54
#296
tHm | 
Denmark tHm 
Tuscan is definitely suitable for competitive play, its been in both CS 1.6 and CS:S since the CPL days. We truly don't know why Tuscan isnt in CS:GO officially. Maybe the map maker didnt want to sell the rights to Valve. Maybe Valve wants to focus on their own maps (such as cobble, overpass and now vertigo) or something entirely different. Tuscan is not left out because it isnt competitive though. History proves otherwise. I would love to get tuscan back and maybe give season another shot too. I think its a shame that the map didn't receive more love than it got in CS;GO.
2019-09-19 15:17
#323
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Turkey Slapdash 
Yeah i don't like the map so i might be biased and it looks like valve is not going to add it anyway
2019-09-19 20:48
#324
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Turkey Slapdash 
Also i guess #319 meant to reply you
2019-09-19 20:50
#329
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Other Phinks 
Afaik the asking price of the dude who made tuscan is “too high”. At least thats what people are claiming for some time (years) now.
2019-09-19 22:24
+1
2019-09-19 12:38
I can't believe this
2019-09-19 01:49
#10
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United States Frotha 
2019-09-19 01:50
#37
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United States gtmaniacmda 
expected
2019-09-19 02:02
Hype
2019-09-19 01:48
#5
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China SkywakerR 
That's good
2019-09-19 01:48
Gg Blast
2019-09-19 01:48
GG ESL
2019-09-19 02:09
+1 yeah but blast is the worst imo
2019-09-19 02:25
blast never talked about exclusivity tho and as you can see on their recent announcement they have not planned anything like that so this wont affect them
2019-09-19 02:34
Yeah dude i just replied in the name of pride becUse Blast was my first choice.
2019-09-19 02:40
Blast will remove BO1 and Tie thing for 2020
2019-09-19 07:58
Crowd funding pls like TI
2019-09-19 01:49
+1 dude you makes the best suggestion on hltv are we your fans loves you! Hehehhehheheh!
2019-09-19 01:49
#12
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United States Frotha 
That dude is a genius
2019-09-19 01:50
Ikr I'm such an OG fan of him hehehhe! PSG.LGD best dota team
2019-09-19 01:56
#62
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Cyprus Xeeh 
OG best 2x champs PSG.LGD 2x losers
2019-09-19 02:19
Well deserved tbh but still a big LGD fan
2019-09-19 02:20
nice alt
2019-09-19 02:03
+1 but dont reply yourself
2019-09-19 01:56
It was my fan
2019-09-19 01:57
you have none, but the suggestion u made isn't bad
2019-09-19 02:13
I have 3K fans. nt
2019-09-19 02:14
no u dont
2019-09-19 02:16
#56 one of my fans
2019-09-19 02:18
#117
shox | 
France Zyw0o1v9 
I'm your fan too
2019-09-19 04:04
Hehehe! Thank you all my fans! Im gonna have a giveaway on 500k subs!
2019-09-19 04:10
Where do i buy my fan? Really hot in room when im playing cs
2019-09-19 07:59
Just click here for 50% discount
2019-09-19 08:05
+1
2019-09-19 08:53
200000000000000000000000 IQ, I'm your fan now
2019-09-19 02:15
thank you i love all my fans!
2019-09-19 02:18
#52
Snax | 
United States CoreyTime 
Thats what the stickers are Meanwhile, Valve revealed that the tournament items for the StarLadder Major will pay out "over $11 million" to the participating teams and players who were in Berlin.
2019-09-19 02:13
Go watch TI dude
2019-09-19 02:13
They should show live sticker money on screen in majors, to show what the price pool really is. If it was 11 million, thats a lot more than the 1 million in total price pool for the major.
2019-09-19 02:41
yeah but it also depends on who buys what stickers... INTZ probably made less than Liquid or Astralis because theyre more popular teams. I think thats how it works correct me if im retarded
2019-09-19 02:44
#97
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Indonesia rareguy 
Yes, building fanbase of your team is important! Don't change roster too often or you would lose your fans. What's the significant difference, I wonder? In the end the longest standing team in the tournament gets the most stickers revenue, which is (usually) the winner. Imagine you're a Minor favourite (I believe it can be called dark horse) and went so far to the final (like AVANGAR), you would probably get much more money than the Major winner that only came from Legends. It's a bit different if you only count New Legends stage, though.
2019-09-19 03:15
They could show just the total, or split it up per team, without revealing what each player gets.
2019-09-19 19:01
y do u want to give the players more money? They make way too much already....dont u wanna use ur money for urself and ur future? Like these players are doing nothing for u...
2019-09-19 02:44
They work just like anyone else for their occupation, and the amount of time you have to make the real money at the top of CSGO is limited. Plenty of people do nothing for you that you give money to, it's called entertainment.
2019-09-19 03:45
they make millions of dollars to travel the world and play video games and get drunk at night after the matches...after their careers are over most of them have the opportunity to work behind the scenes for organizations or be analysts/casters. They have plenty of time to make more money than they need.
2019-09-19 04:25
I'm assuming you're too young to get it, but making money in CS isn't exactly a long standing career move. It's not even a fully proven commodity yet. You're assuming a lot, most of which sounds like pure, immature jealousy. Traveling all the time sucks, and being an analyst/caster? What? Every fucking retired gamer is going to do that? Be realistic. They don't make millions of dollars. They make a lot of money if they are winning tournaments, but you're incredibly naive to believe that. But then again you probably go to see movies, purchase music, watch tv, and enjoy sports just the same as everyone else and don't complain a God damned bit about that.
2019-09-19 05:27
average cs pro salary = 15k/month x10yr career = 1.8million. Thats without winning anything, streaming, sponsorships, etc. I said most will have the opportunity to do some kind of work behind the scenes after playing career is over...I dont go to movies, i dont buy music and i dont see what watching tv or sports on tv has to do with anything. You might be the young one to be making so many assumptions about me, and throwing out insults like a child...
2019-09-19 07:20
1.8 million over 10 years (a duration most players don't enjoy) is not as much as you think. I wasn't insulting you so much as pointing out how juvenile your views on all of this are. If you can't understand the correlation between payment for entertainment and tv/sports while making inane claims about players being paid too much I don't know what to tell you. All of those things I listed involve giving money to people, lots in fact. More than CS pros make in most cases, regardless. Also I don't see how making the assumption that consuming media is somehow an uncommon practice doesn't make sense to you. You're some far reaching outlier, it's not like I claimed you were a racist or that you like the color blue, most people consume media. You included, obviously, since you're on a fucking video game forum being a pedantic twit. There's your insult.
2019-09-19 16:16
#314
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France LeDiplomate 
U rly think the average pro salary is 15k/month? U are sooooo naive mens((
2019-09-19 18:12
#337
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India spiderCAKE 
Probably doesn't know about CS scene outside of tier 1 top 10 teams.
2019-09-20 02:28
#130
walle | 
Australia sini_ 
Crowd fund 2 majors per year? If they do it like TI, other tournaments become irrelevant.
2019-09-19 05:06
One event like TI and crowd funding every major too, they do crowd funding in dota majors too but TI's prizepool just becomes bigger every year because people wants to make milestones on how much the prize is gonna go up, specially in chinese scene that's why gaben suck china so much.
2019-09-19 09:09
#338
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India spiderCAKE 
Valve is basically China's bitch.
2019-09-20 02:29
#9
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United States Mufftings 
nice
2019-09-19 01:50
#11
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World Notb8ing 
wow, valve actually taking any stance on something regarding cs go, this is quite shocking.
2019-09-19 01:50
#228
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Germany Trax_ 
+1
2019-09-19 09:57
#255
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Brazil OMAIGOD 
+1
2019-09-19 12:04
#327
chrisJ | 
Netherlands Rubrix 
+1
2019-09-19 21:07
People have to contact major TO if they can stream GOTV or not, they really shouldn't and why are dota streamers allowed to stream without permission then Valve? @Valve WeirdChamp
2019-09-19 01:51
At least now we have a statement from valve, so people aren’t surprised when they get struck down, where starladder just basically fucked everyone over
2019-09-19 03:57
Probably cuz of icefrog DotaTV is free to stream. There is no other difference when you look from the outside into Valve.
2019-09-19 07:41
#276
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Ukraine ksay 
SLTV (and ESL before them, etc) own and provide the hardware that runs the servers - as opposed to Dota2 where Valve does. Valve is giving them exclusive IP/broadcast rights for matches taking place on their own hardware
2019-09-19 13:12
china numba wan
2019-09-19 01:51
crazy news good job volvo
2019-09-19 01:51
#17
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Brazil Collee 
wtf
2019-09-19 01:51
#18
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Canada dAnk7 
Thank mr valve
2019-09-19 01:51
thanks gaben
2019-09-19 01:53
YEAAAAAAHHHH FUCK YOU ESL ROFL
2019-09-19 01:53
+1 fuck em, greedy cunts that wanted to monopolize an entire esport. ESL is such a meme, best TO's but they always find a way to fuck themselves over each year
2019-09-19 02:27
imagine Facebook ESL Franchise network and all the other TO's have left the scene
2019-09-19 02:45
Cool
2019-09-19 01:54
Glad there wont be exclusivity bullshit! I dont get why are people still crying about valves position regarding major restreams. Next time just approach TOs if you're going to make money on their content lmao 😂😂
2019-09-19 01:55
#112
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Canada SureThingM8 
Their content? No its valves content. streaming GOTV is a huge difference from streaming the actual broadcast you dengerate.
2019-09-19 03:50
#205
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Poland rude_wredne 
what a cunt
2019-09-19 08:54
Valve just said its TO content in this blog
2019-09-19 11:47
#23
HUNDEN | 
United States DervGuy 
Daddy Gaben
2019-09-19 01:54
#24
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Brazil vitoBR 
It is a discussion that requires care. Free broadcasting benefits and expands the game further. However for the company that organizes it means less audience and therefore money, so events would not be profitable for those who do. No events equals no CS
2019-09-19 01:55
its still free, just gotta put their ads on your stream
2019-09-19 01:57
#VAMOUZ
2019-09-19 01:55
So the total prize pool of the Major was around 12mil$?
2019-09-19 01:55
ESL now fucked lol
2019-09-19 01:56
#29
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Spain akproxx 
ESL REKT
2019-09-19 01:56
#31
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Brazil NahT_ 
Thanks volvo
2019-09-19 01:57
#35
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Sweden meistr0 
Ayy lmao, get rekt ESL.
2019-09-19 01:58
#36
f0rest | 
China hzxhl16 
Brutal Savage Rekt
2019-09-19 02:00
#39
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United States gtmaniacmda 
$11 million payout monkaOMEGA
2019-09-19 02:03
thats more than all major prizepools combined.
2019-09-19 02:10
#275
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Portugal xxxRUI75xxx 
Well.... stickers have been a thing since 2014. It´s nothing new. But maybe now people will begin to understand how important the sticker money is to the teams/players. In terms of transparency, kudos for Valve for disclosing the amount.
2019-09-19 13:10
get fucked ESL
2019-09-19 02:09
YES
2019-09-19 02:11
Loot bet gg bet omg bet any other shit design site bet which also have same owner still making more money on rigged matches and all of tier3 scene than valve on cs go but valve doesn't care still :D
2019-09-19 02:17
Ok champ
2019-09-19 02:39
#65
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United States highlandyirr 
valve is the best esports dev by far
2019-09-19 02:21
HYPE
2019-09-19 02:27
#73
shrek | 
New Zealand is_love 
proof valve cares
2019-09-19 02:35
Half Life 3 is coming out when? that is my question VALVE..
2019-09-19 02:39
That's good.
2019-09-19 02:42
#81
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Finland Smoonah 
Take a stance on your shit anti-cheat and smurfing issue next.
2019-09-19 02:43
cry cry
2019-09-19 03:04
how would you even fix smurfing??
2019-09-19 03:17
#103
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Finland Smoonah 
An easy fix would be to not put me with fucking accounts with 1 game and 150 hours on it, when I have over 220 games on my account. 5k hours in shitter game alone, and it puts me with 150 hours played throwaway accounts that mean nothing. Not rocket science and can easily deter half of the players I get matched with.
2019-09-19 03:19
This is almost certainly an over exaggeration.
2019-09-19 04:37
#124
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Finland Smoonah 
You would most certainly be surprised.
2019-09-19 04:39
Really? I've been running around in silver for the last year or so(ever since I stopped taking the game seriously) just SoloQing for fun. My acc has about 300 wins, 700 total games and 5k hours. I rarely run into obvious smurfs, and I can't temember the last time I had a legitimately toxic teammate. Ever since the introduction of Trust factor, the amount of toxic teamates I get have dropped by as much ad 95%. I mostly get put with people who have like 8 year old accounts, but havent played the game since it first came out. Im definitely an outlier to some extent, but short of region, I can't think of an explanation as to why our experiences are so different. (Which leads me to believe that many stories are overexaggeratedrated )
2019-09-19 05:06
#131
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Finland Smoonah 
Stopped reading at I'm running around silver mode. If I was in Nova or something soloQing sure, would probably be fun. But that isn't my experience. I'm more talking about people that hit shots I don't even see pros land with throwaway accounts, continuously.
2019-09-19 05:08
So cheating - not smurfing. It is well known that the higher ranks are abundant with cheaters.
2019-09-19 05:09
#134
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Finland Smoonah 
I play wingman often to warm up. So I imagine I get a lot of reports for wallhacking, etc; which the vs team always tells me in chat. The game then puts me into a list (in the next game) with throwaway accounts, who are probably cheating. Instead of putting me in another game with profiles that have content and games, it links me with 1 game accounts/throwaways. The game shouldn't punish you from playing well. I know how the developers have it set - it's a type of gambling addiction that if you lose one, win one, you will probably play another to counter that difference. Which is wrong.
2019-09-19 05:12
Im a global for a year and during like 200 games I played a cheater ONCE. If you are not a dick you wont get bad rep and play cheaters, easy
2019-09-19 07:50
#106
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Finland Smoonah 
+ I've been placed vs people that have had a game ban or VAC ban in X days an abundance of times. Dunno why I'm playing against these people with green TF and a clean account.
2019-09-19 03:21
#224
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Turkey Slapdash 
Get your trust factor up
2019-09-19 09:47
#320
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Finland Smoonah 
It's already green, what's after green TF?
2019-09-19 20:04
#325
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Turkey Slapdash 
You can't know your trust factor. If you get toxic teammates and hackers no matter what you're talking about being green doesn't matter
2019-09-19 20:52
#86
Cheater | 
China imd0g 
what about hardware cheat & lan hacks?
2019-09-19 02:52
irrelevant
2019-09-19 03:04
#95
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Finland Smoonah 
Never going to happen - they aren't intelligent enough to know how to implement these tools.
2019-09-19 03:10
#306
Cheater | 
China imd0g 
they are turning the esport into a market & buisness but one day one fucking day it will happens i don't know what fatben and the others mortal have in minds anyway they all will die one day and the money won't do nothing to them :]
2019-09-19 16:20
#321
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Finland Smoonah 
they will do it when no one plays the game and they try to get players back in lulw
2019-09-19 20:05
#143
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Sri Lanka kvezee 
Not exist
2019-09-19 06:26
good
2019-09-19 03:16
What about female exclusive tournament LUL
2019-09-19 03:20
I believe this was the best moment for the company's positioning in relation to the exclusivity model Open tournament competition is very healthy for the game and for companies and teams. A tournament model that will lock players and companies into a particular business model can actually be bad in the long run and end up barring small teams from getting into the game's eco system and being among the best.
2019-09-19 03:49
#114
KRIMZ | 
Sweden DeeQyu 
Meanwhile, Valve revealed that the tournament items for the StarLadder Major will pay out "over $11 million" to the participating teams and players who were in Berlin. $11 million only for players / teams THEY LOOTINK $20 MILLIONS+ EVERY TOURNAMENT 2020 MAJOR - $1 MILLION PRIZE POOL , LMAO LMAO LMAO
2019-09-19 03:56
Just unban IBP plox
2019-09-19 03:58
CRY IS FREE ESL
2019-09-19 04:18
Really glad that they stopped all this exclusivity bullshit before it started, but I think people need to give ESL/other TOs some slack. As it was rumored before, you don't really make a lot of money on CS:GO and throughout many years ESL have been the best TO with it ups and downs (I am looking at you, Facebook). It is understandable why they wanted to make a league which I do not support since open circuit is way better, but I can't also really blame them since money is always an issue. I still would like to see crowd-funding Major as in TI, not the stickers/viewerpass money. To be really honest, I think it would be cool to have battlepass for some other big tournaments other than Major (ESL One Cologne as example) to keep money flowing in the scene(If I remember right there were Compendiums in Dota for other tournaments, not only TI, but I can be wrong tho).
2019-09-19 04:22
ESL is still the best TO but they started to get greedy and frankly stagnant on how they are doing business as a company. I think ESL events for CSGO are always their top money-making among any esports that they are running. Money may not be as cash-cow like they were (probably due to rising competition from BLAST and other TOs) but CSGO is the still the most consistent esports in term of viewers and coverage. ESL CSGO events regardless how many top teams attending are often well-attended and some of them are pretty much considered Major-status in term prestige such as Cologne or Katowice. ESL is not doing so hot as a company due to some other esports and they think they can squeeze out more money from CSGO to make up for it. That is not gonna work. Having said that, I do agree Valve can do more to support TOs in term of attracting more viewers and sponsorships by helping with promoting/advertising or prize pool and of course shared revenue via merchandise such stickers, passes and potentially exclusive physical stuff like t-shirts/gears that are limited edition for those events only during non-Major events.
2019-09-19 06:46
#127
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India isatisfy69 
Cya
2019-09-19 04:49
ESL OMEGALUL
2019-09-19 05:08
Esl is still the best
2019-09-19 05:16
wtf unexpected +1 respects
2019-09-19 05:28
Applause Valve to address some of rising issues before they are realized into some sort of on-going problems. Most of big corporates won't get involved until everything becomes done-deal. Basically, Valve says "heck no" to ESL nonsense and Blast/Astralis shady business. ESL is still the best TO but they start to get crazy when competition is rising from BLAST and frankly somehow get the "exclusive" idea from BLAST Pro Series (ahem, I'm talking about you, Astralis). It is nice to slap ESL and BLAST right to the face to wake them up.
2019-09-19 06:30
ESL was always "aggressive" when it comes to using their tournaments etc. Between 2005-2009 there was a beef between ESL wc3 leagues and Gamesports (Was also a TO from Germany but they were always more a coverage team than TO) ESL wc3L was bought out from a german community site behind the back of the page owner and some admins. ESL literally give a fuck about manner or respect to other TO. Facebook DMCA Dota drama another example. Claim DMCA without copyright to protect their shit facebook deal cuz nobody wanna watch it there.
2019-09-19 07:27
#145
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Iceland caverat 
thank mr volvo
2019-09-19 06:34
#147
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Iceland caverat 
also, ESL is a shame nowadays
2019-09-19 06:35
they were always a shame when it comes down to respect and accepts there are other competitors.
2019-09-19 07:29
#155
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United States Raptorial 
Pog
2019-09-19 07:09
Very cool thank valve
2019-09-19 07:18
11 million finally we have a number. Now people can stop crying for a CSGO TI.
2019-09-19 07:22
Also, you shouldn't forget. Even when there is no exclusive part. TO can take it for a reason for invites. Valve can't say which team they have to invite.
2019-09-19 07:37
Lol fuck esl
2019-09-19 07:34
#167
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Pakistan perth 
gained back all respect I had lost for valve
2019-09-19 07:36
from 0 down to 0 up to 0
2019-09-19 07:37
It means that Valve doesnt want them to higher prizes because then it will be like major? And valve will never rise major prize money! Thats what it is all about?
2019-09-19 07:47
#178
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
u dum? I'ts about exclusivity. Who wants CSGO to become like fucking NBA? No matter how good your team is you can't get into the NBA, unless you are rich as fuck. It's not about competition but about making money.
2019-09-19 07:50
#200
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China WinnerZ 
agreed.nba is all about money.
2019-09-19 08:33
Ok, dont be so rude mate, it hurts my feelings
2019-09-19 08:36
#175
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
hahaha valve going hard on the scumbags from BLAST and ESL. gaben for president
2019-09-19 07:49
gaben is a bitch (yes, he is)
2019-09-19 08:03
good job valve, it took a while but you've responded
2019-09-19 07:50
protecting the game. but what about wallbangs, bhops, standing accuracy, poor sounds, no elo and stuff like that?
2019-09-19 08:03
#196
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Germany Imouto 
very cool, thank you valve
2019-09-19 08:18
#197
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Brazil bandicoot 
hahaha get fukd ESL
2019-09-19 08:26
#201
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China WinnerZ 
ns work,valve
2019-09-19 08:34
Thank mr Valve
2019-09-19 08:50
Nice valve
2019-09-19 09:01
This was expectered AF. Good job.
2019-09-19 09:16
#215
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India quad_max 
Bruh major price pool increased when?
2019-09-19 09:21
It is in form of sticker money. Actual prizepool is same for years (which is shame).
2019-09-19 09:25
#219
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Romania cTm|oNe 
ESL you suck
2019-09-19 09:25
#226
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Turkey orox2 
C O O L rip Blastralis Pro
2019-09-19 09:55
Thanks mr gaben
2019-09-19 10:03
Tl dr?
2019-09-19 10:04
xaaaxaxax esl eat shit
2019-09-19 10:12
Good to see Valve step up. What a horrible idea from ESL, I can't say I was surprised it was them though. Maybe they'll sign another exclusivity deal with facebook so no one watches them again.
2019-09-19 10:56
#240
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Yugoslavia HeavySmoker 
Maybe ban matchfixers ffs
2019-09-19 10:57
maybe 128 ticrate and ranks in MM now? Think about 99.9% players , not bout pros only...
2019-09-19 11:05
They don't give a shit about mm
2019-09-19 11:30
#244
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World breezy0 
nice GOOD JOB VALVE!
2019-09-19 11:16
#245
tarik | 
Indonesia ro2a 
11 milions ? whats that mean ? is that major price is actually 11 millions ? if true, next major ill buy pass again to respect and thanks this pros for the show they gave us
2019-09-19 11:20
It's how much money teams made from stickers etc (Not including prize money)
2019-09-19 12:30
#342
tarik | 
Indonesia ro2a 
happy to see my money goes to their pocket not all to gaben
2019-09-21 10:45
#248
oskar | 
Czech Republic PaYaB 
gj valve for once get rekt esl
2019-09-19 11:33
#249
4pack | 
Europe Keri0n 
Yeah sure...
2019-09-19 11:37
RIP Blastralis
2019-09-19 11:45
SHIT DOWN ESL
2019-09-19 11:57
im lazy to read, in short?
2019-09-19 12:20
#262
cadiaN | 
Finland 0lter 
If you play epl you can play ecs
2019-09-19 12:38
thnaks!
2019-09-19 12:50
#261
cadiaN | 
Finland 0lter 
They just schedule their qualifiers at same time as competitions qualifier. Its the same outcome What say valve?
2019-09-19 12:36
Invited teams don't play qualifiers
2019-09-19 12:50
#311
cadiaN | 
Finland 0lter 
Every team play epl groups as no invites, which is what the whole thing is about maybe read before write
2019-09-19 17:55
no fix VAC :)
2019-09-19 12:41
Valve ban lootbet
2019-09-19 14:33
#297
Aleksib | 
Finland Emvi 
Thank you valve, very cool!
2019-09-19 15:19
Carefull what you wish TO's..
2019-09-19 15:22
this is good from valve I would say to TO's they should definitely think hard before turning down pro-players out here working in the scene making cs-go content and playing matches from streaming and discussing the tournaments they dont get to attend. It just broadens the whole scene. And the exclusivity of events is definitely the bigger fish to fry. We need some ideas, but ESL's was not a good one.
2019-09-19 16:13
#305
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Namibia nawledge 
$11 million" xd
2019-09-19 16:17
#307
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United States Raptorial 
PogChampion
2019-09-19 16:20
theres no csgo ecosystem tho there only global crate opening and global gambling. valve should just stfu unless a csgo TI is held.
2019-09-19 16:50
#332
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United States TrashPanda 
Talk all the shit you want about Valve but no other developer is smarter than them when it comes to keeping their sport thriving and shutting down monopolies.
2019-09-19 23:58
Valve best, fuck the haters. They let their shit develop organically, unlike the Riots, Blizzards etc shit who over regulate and alienate their community one step at a time
2019-09-20 00:10
Gaben is so smart
2019-09-21 09:28
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