blackie to stand in for Besiktas at DreamHack Open Rotterdam

Besiktas have announced the temporary addition of Steven "blackie" Groeneveld to their roster for DreamHack Open Rotterdam.

The 20-year-old will step into the team as a replacement for Meyssa "Missa" Bellouati, who has recently been removed from the active lineup.

blackie will momentarily join Besiktas for the event from Asterion, who have given the player the go-ahead to compete in Besiktas colours. Meanwhile, Asterion, who are also attending the event, will be fielding Thomas "Thomas" Utting and Joseph "Luzuh" Loose, the UK duo they qualified for the tournament with.

blackie will play alongside juliano and co. in Rotterdam

Besiktas, who earned their place at DreamHack Open Rotterdam by winning the all-women DreamHack Showdown, will kick off the Dutch event against AVANGAR in Group A on Friday at 12:00.

The $100,000 event is set to take place from October 18-20, with Besiktas fielding the following roster:

Sweden Zainab "zAAz" Turkie
Sweden Julia "juliano" Kiran
Netherlands Petra "Petra" Stoker
Russia Anastasia "kr4sylya" Khlobystina
Netherlands Steven "blackie" Groeneveld (stand in)

Netherlands Petra 'Petra' Stoker
Petra 'Petra' Stoker
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.17
Maps played:
69
KPR:
0.80
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.17
Sweden Julia 'juliano' Kiran
Julia 'juliano' Kiran
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.08
Maps played:
218
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.15
United Kingdom Thomas 'Thomas' Utting
Thomas 'Thomas' Utting
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
369
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.17
France Meyssa 'Missa' Bellouati
Meyssa 'Missa' Bellouati
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
108
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.14
Netherlands Steven 'blackie' Groeneveld
Steven 'blackie' Groeneveld
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.00
Maps played:
12
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.76
APR:
0.15
Russia Anastasia 'kr4sylya' Khlobystina
Anastasia 'kr4sylya' Khlobystina
Age:
18
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.99
Maps played:
27
KPR:
0.65
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.10
Sweden Zainab 'zAAz' Turkie
Zainab 'zAAz' Turkie
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.16
Maps played:
194
KPR:
0.81
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.15
United Kingdom Joseph 'Luzuh' Loose
Joseph 'Luzuh' Loose
Age:
21
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
277
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.10
#1
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Germany HLTV_GERMANY 
Very insane player! He is the savior of the dutch scene and will carry besiktas to the win maybe
2019-10-16 19:02
no
2019-10-16 19:03
mens)))
2019-10-16 19:03
>He
2019-10-16 19:31
#156
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Albania Edjon 
its a man
2019-10-16 20:52
wtf???
2019-10-16 20:56
#177
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Albania Edjon 
yeah i was confused aswell
2019-10-16 21:31
>steven >not a he Finland mens big brain)))
2019-10-17 12:11
Didn't even read the article, because the idea of 4 women playing with 1 men seemed so ridiculous to me
2019-10-17 13:43
leave it to females to ruin the name of Female CS by bringing in a male standin into the only big tournament they will attend ever. Im sure they will really showcase thier skills at this event and prove the haters wrong!!! /s
2019-10-16 23:18
>big tournament >has a female team Pick one
2019-10-17 16:30
by their standards you mongoloid
2019-10-17 19:57
Mongoloid... that’s a new one
2019-10-17 20:26
#222
chrisJ | 
Netherlands Rubrix 
Wich scene?
2019-10-16 23:43
#4
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Malaysia ez4harimaumuda 
nice
2019-10-16 19:02
lol
2019-10-16 19:02
#6
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Sweden meistr0 
AVANGAR is gonna get destroyed axaxaxa
2019-10-16 19:02
#9
k0mplex | 
Europe R4as0n 
Are you get paid for this type of news? Tier200 team with top10000 player news on frontpage. wtf
2019-10-16 19:03
Yes
2019-10-16 19:03
#135
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Spain Dicraftio 
But is Dreamhack so it should be on frontpage
2019-10-16 20:21
#149
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Poland Julka 
+1
2019-10-16 20:37
+1 he never heard of dreamhack maybe smh
2019-10-17 03:00
Imagine that... yes ofc they get payed lmao
2019-10-17 15:22
#10
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Slovakia S1W0 
Still gonna be 16-0
2019-10-16 19:03
#11
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Asia tyrkjaranid 
16-1
2019-10-16 19:03
#16
JW | 
Canada LiquidTop1 
thats incredible
2019-10-16 19:03
just take any t3-5 player and it's an upgrade LUL
2019-10-16 19:04
still upgrade
2019-10-16 19:06
#35
rain | 
United Kingdom Kaiiid 
I don't give a shit what anyone her says but it will actually be interesting to watch how big of the skill gap between male and female cs is.
2019-10-16 19:07
Bigger than boombl4 4 sure
2019-10-16 19:10
#105
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France SmallJumP 
LMAO
2019-10-16 19:44
lul
2019-10-16 19:51
#185
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France LeDiplomate 
Physically impossible but physic laws will be defied
2019-10-16 21:52
boombl4 already defying all the laws of physic by not collapsing into a black hole dispite his mass
2019-10-16 21:59
We've seen that loads of times in the past though. It's fucking huge. The last tournament I'm aware of, that female teams have played in against male opposition was Cross Border Esport 2018. 3 Female Teams managed a total of 20 rounds over 6 games. The BY FAR best result was a 7-16 loss of GD against Alternate Attax. At the CBE event the year before that, 2 teams managed 32 rounds in 6 games. Almost entirely against complete nobodies in the scene though. (The team that the juliano&zaaz team got a 9-16, 8-16 loss against, got destroyed 3-16 by North Academy and lost 0-2 against Envy Academy afterwards). The gap could've of course closed since the last time, but I don't really see any reason why it would've. Some of these girls have been playing "professional" CS for over half a decade. Why would they have improved much over the last year?
2019-10-16 19:48
#139
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Belgium RobinDG 
What is your score prediction against avangar? :)
2019-10-16 20:25
I don't really know anything about blackie and Avangar can be pretty inconsistent, but I'm gonna say 16-6 for Avangar.
2019-10-16 20:36
#211
Olivia | 
Austria SplasJ 
Its either Like 16-4 or 16-14 depending in If avangar tryhard or Just Play whatever xD
2019-10-16 23:06
#138
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Spain Dicraftio 
I hope not that big, at least for "top female teams". In the dreamhack showdown they played well (more or less like an mdl team?) so even if they play against Avangar in the opening I hope they get at lest 5 rounds (xd)
2019-10-16 20:24
There is also a decent gap between Besiktas and the other Female teams. Petra gets better ratings in female tournaments then Simple in T2 tournaments.
2019-10-16 21:23
#175
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Spain Dicraftio 
I think CLG Red are also at the same level as Besiktas or at least they stood up in the Showdown and showed us some good cs (of course not T1 but still pretty enjoyable). And ye Petra always fragging and doing impact
2019-10-16 21:26
#37
imoRR | 
Turkey recoTa 
Unfortunately It doesnt matter with Blackie or with Missa
2019-10-16 19:08
#38
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Sweden DEFENSE! 
I am NOT going to miss a minute of this match
2019-10-16 19:08
#260
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Denmark EyesWallow 
+1 same here, its gonna be fun
2019-10-18 08:42
ez 26 odds vs avangar thanks for free 500 euro ez for blackie
2019-10-16 19:10
#45
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France DesmondHumes 
No rip Missa :(
2019-10-16 19:11
#46
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Poland LiquidWater 
Typical Female team. When it doesn't work out for a few weeks kick the player. That's why they will never be at the top, if a female team doesn't win the female tournament 1/2 of the teams just shuffle around players and then they complain wtf we dont get enough money like u play on a global elite level and max lvl 8 faceit lvl. 5 man lvl 10 faceit would destroy beskitas, let alone every other female team.
2019-10-16 19:11
#50
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Australia liazz_top2 
its not because of that. they are just much worse individually. most of female """""pro""""" players are around 9-10 faceit lvl with bad stats lul u take random faceit 3k elo pugger from master league and he will top frag in every female game
2019-10-16 19:15
#73
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Poland LiquidWater 
+1
2019-10-16 19:24
"Typical Female team. When it doesn't work out for a few weeks kick the player. That's why they will never be at the top" Hmm, I think the actual problem is they are dogshit at the game, can't even compete against ESL/ESEA open level male teams, no lineup they can throw together will ever be any good because they are shit at CS Go.
2019-10-16 19:16
#77
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Poland LiquidWater 
and they complain about men getting more money hahahaha its like all faceit lvl 10's complaining because they don't get money. Like faceit lvl 10's > female "pro's"
2019-10-16 19:25
Think of it this way, male gamers have to train a lot harder to get to a decent level where they can compete and actually live off CS Go. Females for the most part are more a marketing tool, to sell peripherals and merch, the companies that sponsor their orgs are still profiting off their appeal and image. They get paid better than probably most teams up to intermediate level, and even more than some "pro" teams. Just remember were part of a community that thinks girls like Juliano and zAAz are "hot", it isn't difficult for females in the current climate of the game to make money and not even have to be good at the game.
2019-10-16 19:45
an average level 10 isn't better than for example petra tho
2019-10-16 20:29
#144
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Poland LiquidWater 
is petra even lvl 10 xd
2019-10-16 20:31
she hovers around 3k elo afaik, meaning a lot better than an average level 10
2019-10-16 20:32
#147
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Poland LiquidWater 
probably the only female with 3k elo. She is probably the best female player.
2019-10-16 20:35
yeah pretty sure shes considered the best
2019-10-16 20:37
#48
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Australia liazz_top2 
maybe they will get 1 round because of him
2019-10-16 19:13
will they get 5 (or more) vs avangar? I almost like -11.5 avangar
2019-10-16 19:17
Something is rotten when a attending team is loaning a player to a competing team
2019-10-16 19:20
Good think im not the only one who thought about that. It is so weird.
2019-10-16 19:24
Absolutely
2019-10-16 19:48
"Meanwhile, Asterion, who are also attending the event, will be fielding Thomas "Thomas" Utting and Joseph "Luzuh" Loose, the UK duo they qualified for the tournament with." Makes perfect sense to me that Asterion wants to field the lineup they qualified with.
2019-10-16 19:55
#140
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Belgium RobinDG 
They are not in the same groups and will never meet in the tournament so its all fine.
2019-10-16 20:27
I don't understand, aren't they the only female competing team?
2019-10-16 20:52
lol don't mind me, very interesting turn of events hmmhmhmmm
2019-10-16 20:53
1st female male pro team
2019-10-16 19:23
#261
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Lithuania DOMKANEW 
It actually isnt you should check Mythic they have 1 girl tho
2019-10-18 09:59
Besiktas, who earned their place at DreamHack Open Rotterdam by winning the all-women DreamHack Showdown, will now play with a male stand-in, makes sense....
2019-10-16 19:22
#88
s1mple | 
Russia h3x0r 
maybe because it's hard to find female player same lvl as Besiktas' players, no?
2019-10-16 19:34
don't think so, they know a lot of female players who surely would be up for playing at a big lan. surely they brought a male because it will increase their chances of winning compared to a female
2019-10-16 19:37
#119
s1mple | 
Russia h3x0r 
but not so much of female players can go to Rotterdam rn for 3-4 days, and who plays cs not like guardian did in 2017 when he was in navi (2 times for half of year, not including tournaments)
2019-10-16 19:57
+1
2019-10-16 21:38
damn they need male help after all
2019-10-16 19:34
He is standing in although his own team is playing there as well???? Way to kill the competitive integrity of the tournament
2019-10-16 19:36
Asterion qualified with Thomas and Luzuh so blackie had actually not even earned his spot, I think it's cool of him to let those players play with the team they helped get to the tourney while he himself is standin for a team that is objectively worse. How does that kill the competitive integrity of the tournament? At least Besiktas took a standin from a team at the same level of skill as the other teams in the tournament, that's really all you can ask for
2019-10-16 19:54
All that has to happen is for them to play against each others and the integrity is ruined
2019-10-16 20:08
#141
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Belgium RobinDG 
They will never face against each others tho.
2019-10-16 20:29
The possibility is enough already to be morally wrong(imo)
2019-10-16 20:30
... because some player will be facing a team he didn't even qualify with? what a fucking crybaby you are, DH has obviously already given them OK so no need to be so butthurt
2019-10-16 20:57
Okay you are the player. You play against the team you're contracted with. Your team owner comes to you and says lose this game or we cut you from the team. How does that not ruin the integrity of the game????
2019-10-16 20:59
this scenario is just as likely as a team owner telling his own team to lose because he has betted money somewhere, if that happens report him or something, it literally has nothing to do with this situation. the team owner telling someone to lose is the integrity problem, not the reason behind it as it could be due any reason
2019-10-16 21:05
No it is not as likely as the owner telling his team to lose and just the possibility is the problem
2019-10-16 21:07
Top female teams like Besiktas gets shat on by ESEA Open mixes in qualifiers. I don't think there is any worry that mr "blackie" here is going to be a deciding factor.
2019-10-16 21:57
actually it's less likely, there's no way a single player can make a whole team lose by himself without it being suspicious. a team can throw, even throw without anyone really noticing, but a single player can at best throw a few rounds. if he does that against his own org then people will obviously notice. the "possibility" is always there, anyone can tell someone to throw for any reason, money being the most common
2019-10-16 22:23
Good point mate, i'm surprised no one mentioned it earlier.
2019-10-16 22:32
#94
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Estonia thisiseku 
what a name
2019-10-16 19:36
16-0 either way LOL
2019-10-16 19:36
#101
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World LeviathaNz 
Why would you stand-in for a team if your own team is competing in the same event ? This makes 0 sense.
2019-10-16 19:41
#107
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Russia fmLchik 
his team playing on this tournament wtf
2019-10-16 19:45
#213
Olivia | 
Austria SplasJ 
He rather wants to Play with some girls.
2019-10-16 23:08
#114
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Luxembourg fowkingell 
He's gonna carry them so hard, they might win a round
2019-10-16 19:51
#118
god | 
Turkey style_ 
tbh this shouldn't be allowed since they earned their spot via a only woman qualifier
2019-10-16 19:57
Kind of scuffed considering where they qualified from but no chance anyway
2019-10-16 20:00
#124
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Canada LongBaguette 
Good luck Blackie
2019-10-16 20:01
#126
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Brazil NahT_ 
nice clown fiesta
2019-10-16 20:03
It's so fucking weird how the guy from competing team can be standin for these guys. How are they going to solve it when both teams reach the finals??
2019-10-16 20:07
??? they will play each other and the team who wins 2 maps wins the tournament? are you retarded or do you not know how a final is played? blackie didn't even qualify with Asterion, what exactly are they supposed to "solve"?
2019-10-16 21:00
Wow you're so mad. Probably a fan of Besiktas and already mad they will get 16-0 by avangar.
2019-10-16 21:05
nice projection
2019-10-16 21:06
How is Besiktas, a team that gets shat on by ESEA Open mixes supposed to get to the finals??? Promise to remove the virgin status of any opposing teams?
2019-10-16 22:00
Avangar is their opening match. Overrated team imo, so maybe 55-45 maximum. Besiktas has very good chance to make finals.
2019-10-16 22:09
Lol now you're just trying to force the bait too hard. It's obvious they will get 6 rounds max.
2019-10-16 22:11
#130
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United Kingdom SLurSs 
As if they weren't fucked already now they have to play with a standin, this is gonna be embarrassing.
2019-10-16 20:10
#132
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Brazil hugoooo 
They are avoiding the 16-0 at al costs lol Now they will win a round at least.
2019-10-16 20:18
#165
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Germany L1lK1M 
This is ridicilous... we wanted to see how Besiktas get rekt and now they can blame it on standin -.-
2019-10-16 21:02
#233
liTTle | 
CIS Dowa) 
planned since beginning. move dont make sense whatever especially before their biggest event ever.. just excuse their performance in event
2019-10-17 01:58
#243
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Canada kniGhtlife 
Low key this was made to lighten the blow of their defeat to real teams. Strategic maneuver...
2019-10-17 08:06
Blackie gonna rekt avangar 1v9
2019-10-16 21:12
Hahahahah
2019-10-16 21:15
they love that blackie
2019-10-16 21:15
#183
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Russia Glihhh 
Wtf
2019-10-16 21:44
#191
liTTle | 
CIS Dowa) 
GONNA BE EXCUSE WHY THEY GET 16-0 ALL GAMES ohh we have stand in
2019-10-16 22:11
Dutch pride
2019-10-16 23:07
best team Beşiktaş!Come to Besiktas
2019-10-16 23:20
They kicked missa last minut and Blackie lives in Rotterdam, so they don't need to book flights or an extra hotel room etc etc. It was only logical ;)
2019-10-16 23:48
Interesting.
2019-10-17 01:05
lol now they have a chance
2019-10-17 05:33
#242
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Canada kniGhtlife 
What a handle choice.. Of anything you could have chosen to be called. Really.
2019-10-17 08:05
#244
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Denmark nrth_LUL 
Ikr you get a chance to name yourself and you choose that.
2019-10-17 08:45
#245
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Germany PeKay 
Wtf how many comments got deleted
2019-10-17 08:52
Ez for blackie
2019-10-17 09:18
Winning the all women qualifier just to add a male for the actual event
2019-10-17 10:52
#253
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
200iq if you ask me, doesn't change the fact that they ain't getting more than 5 rounds this entire tournament, they might fluke some pistol rounds but that's about it
2019-10-17 13:58
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