Cloud9 bench TenZ; trial Subroza

Cloud9 announced the benching of Tyson "⁠TenZ⁠" Ngo and are adding Yassine "⁠Subroza⁠" Taoufik to the team on a trial basis.

Days after the announcement of Soham "⁠valens⁠" Chowdhury's departure from Cloud9, the North American organization has now made a statement regarding another move, the benching of TenZ. The 18-year-old will be substituted by another Canadian, Subroza, who joins the team on a trial basis.

Subroza will be on trial for ECS and at BLAST Pro Series Copenhagen

The changes come as the team struggles to find an identity. Cloud9 finished 4th at BLAST Pro Series Los Angeles in their first outing, with a win a tie and four losses, before traveling to Helsinki, Finland, where they lost a two-map series to FURIA at the Arctic Invitational.

Things didn't get much better on home soil as Cloud9 struggled online with the ECS Weekly cups, finishing 3-4th twice and improving to 2nd in the last one, losing only to one of the hottest teams in the region at the moment, Evil Geniuses. The last nail in the coffin came at ESL Pro League, where Damian "⁠daps⁠" Steele and company not only lost to EG once again, but dropped series to eUnited and Complexity, going out in last place.

In the video announcement, C9 coach James "⁠JamezIRL⁠" Macaulay cites differences in the approach to the game between TenZ and the rest of the team, going on to add that Subroza will be on trial for ECS and at BLAST Pro Series Copenhagen.

With Subroza's addition, Cloud9 are:

United States Timothy "⁠autimatic⁠" Ta
United States Kenneth "⁠koosta⁠" Suen
Canada Damian "⁠daps⁠" Steele
Spain Oscar "⁠mixwell⁠" Cañellas
Canada Yassine "⁠Subroza⁠" Taoufik (trial)

United States James "⁠JamezIRL⁠" Macaulay (coach)

Canada Tyson "⁠TenZ⁠" Ngo (benched)

United States Kenneth 'koosta' Suen
Kenneth 'koosta' Suen
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
941
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.12
United States Soham 'valens' Chowdhury
Soham 'valens' Chowdhury
Age:
31
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.75
Maps played:
208
KPR:
0.50
DPR:
0.71
APR:
0.15
Canada Tyson 'TenZ' Ngo
Tyson 'TenZ' Ngo
Age:
19
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
401
KPR:
0.76
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.14
Canada Damian 'daps' Steele
Damian 'daps' Steele
Age:
27
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.87
Maps played:
1023
KPR:
0.58
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.15
Spain Oscar 'mixwell' Cañellas
Oscar 'mixwell' Cañellas
Age:
25
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
840
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.13
United States James 'JamezIRL' Macaulay
James 'JamezIRL' Macaulay
Age:
31
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.87
Maps played:
71
KPR:
0.60
DPR:
0.72
APR:
0.13
United States Timothy 'autimatic' Ta
Timothy 'autimatic' Ta
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.08
Maps played:
1112
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.13
Canada Yassine 'Subroza' Taoufik
Yassine 'Subroza' Taoufik
Age:
23
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
623
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.70
APR:
0.15
C9 is just a joke at this point lmao just disband please Good luck anyway!
2019-10-20 21:34
this move: i schleep
2019-10-20 21:34
u schure?
2019-10-20 21:37
schaddup
2019-10-20 21:46
lol hopefully it turns out well
2019-10-20 22:35
#290
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Germany PeetM
It wont. Subroza aint good enough
2019-10-20 23:13
c9 kekw
2019-10-21 00:36
Kicking 18yo aimgod kid for hump nosed old bot LUL. C9 needs to hire decent analysts. Their roster changes are worse than sf giants.
2019-10-21 05:03
#476
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Finland coswell
Old. He was 3 years ago being called the 18yo aimgod.
2019-10-21 06:35
You mean cheatroza? The aimbottingGOD? Jeeeez......
2019-10-21 07:00
#517
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Germany Fabbsen
Everybody accused him for cheating not being an aimgod
2019-10-21 12:41
Same goes for Tenz. Both superfishy players.
2019-10-23 03:32
#600
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Germany Fabbsen
True
2019-10-23 16:51
Check his stat
2019-10-21 07:39
#524
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Sweden Arvicado
If you had watched the video on twitter (wich i doubt you have), you would have known that the reason for Tenz being kicked is because of a "clash of styles" between him and the rest of the c9 players.
2019-10-21 13:12
He's an onliner, no one wins with an onliner
2019-10-21 15:32
#575
RpK | 
France pol44r
Zywoo used to be an onliner.
2019-10-22 11:44
Tenz is not zywoo, stfu frenchy.
2019-10-22 19:23
Daps has built two top tier rosters, I trust his judgement, they took a gamble on TenZ and it didn’t pay off, like he said in the video Jamezirl and daps seem to think that this is the right move so I trust them
2019-10-21 21:21
Built top tier teams? Nrg became top tier team after kicking daps. Wtf are you talking about. And daps igl sucks. His calling is like 'Omg our guy died on A short. What am i supposed to do? Fak. rush b'. His strat depth is trash af. C9 suck at every single game they dont have brains to run teams.
2019-10-22 04:37
He built Optic and shortly after they replaced him with Stan, they won an eleague event against Astralis, then he got kicked by NRG and beat Astralis again before being kicked again for Stan, I didn’t say he was a good player or IGL, I said he was a good team builder
2019-10-22 17:30
#599
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Germany Fabbsen
True, same thing with Karrigan. FaZe would never be where they were without him. They did never reach playoffs until Karrigan came in. And that even before Niko in there, with players like Aizy, Kio etc. And he brought players like the Astralis core up
2019-10-23 16:51
#576
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Hungary Gubipe
Sorry but daps has only built one tier 1 team so far. However, even the players were changed once he left... I do not see this as a good move. Welcome to NA CS. The scene is pretty bad.
2019-10-22 14:05
He built Optic as well when it was still NA, they went on to beat Astralis at the Eleague invitational or something, then he built NRG/EG and was replaced by stanislaw both times
2019-10-22 17:27
#583
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Hungary Gubipe
Optic was never a tier 1 team? And NRG doesn't count too much as the team failed to make katowice playoffs. After he and fugly were kicked, that is when it became a tier 1 team.
2019-10-22 17:50
He still picked up the core of both rosters no? And optic was a tier one team, they had multiple semi final finishes and even beat Astralis shortly after their first major to win an eleague event, with daps picking the core of that roster as well
2019-10-22 17:54
#587
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Hungary Gubipe
I am sorry but optic was never a tier one team. They did beat astralis, but beating a team once doesn't make you tier 1.
2019-10-22 18:50
das ist nicht gudt mein freund
2019-10-20 21:37
oh gl!
2019-10-20 21:41
+1
2019-10-21 06:05
#9
Chet | 
United States M1RBO
stupid move from CEO
2019-10-20 21:34
How could anyone see this as a stupid move from the CEO? He signed a 16 year old FPL star who has blatantly shown his aimbot twice in the last two weeks. Would you risk your entire business on what you know is the worst lineup you've ever had on the unknown of a 16 year old and his dad looking to make money off the game/org by cheating?
2019-10-20 21:46
Still bottom frags in matches oof
2019-10-20 21:53
yeah because he is a shit player with no sense of the game..just insane aim...that is aided by a third party. FPL cheater. nothing more.
2019-10-20 21:55
he big cheater yas
2019-10-20 21:55
+1
2019-10-21 00:13
Mad that you lost your last silver matchmaking?
2019-10-21 01:55
lol you serious? him cheating has nothing to do with me whatsoever. why defend a blatant?
2019-10-21 02:22
+1 sick aim doesn’t mean well play. TenZ could be a casual csgo youtuber who records their sick shot and make a video with depression music.
2019-10-21 03:21
#480
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Germany Gabbah
Hes not cheating.. just because he has one or two clips, does not mean, that he cheats. Flusha had like well over 50 clips and didnt get banned. Cheating in top professional play is so unlikely, because of contracts and the legal actions, that follow a cheating incident.
2019-10-21 06:51
1) Flusha played a shitton more matches. 2) 50+ clips....gtfo
2019-10-23 03:34
#506
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Lithuania dozzah
cheatroza literally walled in esea, tenz the aimGOD top1
2019-10-21 09:40
Tenz first does not cheat you should know he does not.Subroza Does not cheat.
2019-10-21 15:16
+1
2019-10-20 22:16
+1
2019-10-20 23:38
where did he show cheats twice in past week???
2019-10-21 01:55
Obvious Overpass clip and match against INTZ the other night where his aimbot flicks through a smoke and shoots two bullets randomly. then he has to fake spam and jump down from a spot he wasn't planning on leaving. T's make no noise. clips.twitch.tv/CuteGracefulSushiKlappa
2019-10-21 02:20
Where is overpass clip? I have not seen
2019-10-21 02:37
OMG LOL
2019-10-21 02:41
yeap..
2019-10-21 02:41
Are you calling that cheating? Lol i've experienced something like that too.
2019-10-21 06:06
the 2 clips are really showing something weird,esply the one on overpass
2019-10-21 07:28
I actually just don't understand this. Mirage: I think he heard a jump, or other movement and instinctively flicked. If not, he may have thought he heard something when he didn't and the enemy just happened to be there. After those first two shots, he doesn't look confident, so I'm guessing the latter Overpass: He just shoots somewhere because they were likely to be short. Because its counter-strike, they happened to be there, lined up, and he gets the kills. If he does have aimbot: This wouldn't be what it looks like. Think about players like KQLY, their aimbots aren't gonna flick 60 degrees and shoot. That WILL get you caught at the pro level. The cheats people like KQLY used were aimbots that did micro adjustments, as in, he had to be within a few pixels of the head, then had to shoot, then the crosshair would slightly adjust to the head so that it was a headshot. Could he be using cheats? Sure, but you can make that argument about any pro player. They all COULD be cheating, but we have to operate under the assumption they aren't until evidence comes foreword to prove otherwise. This isn't that evidence. Just like KQLY's jumpshot wasn't evidence.
2019-10-21 08:31
True, afterall if TenZ was cheating the. then he wouldnt get outfragged by Daps and lose to tier 3 Singularity and EuNited, if TenZ was cheating he wouldnt let losing those games destroy his reputation unless hes just trying to leech money off Jack Etienne
2019-10-21 12:43
You kidding me? The Mirage clip is as blatant as an aimbot gets. There was no sound. There was no random spam. He was planning on staying on top balc, holding CAT and apartments. Then his aimbot ruined his position, so he had to fake spam another 2 bullets and drop. This is as blatant as it gets bud. Take his dick out of your mouth.
2019-10-21 18:47
Cheats evolve. Talking about KQLY cheat is like talking about swords and shields for todays wars.
2019-10-23 03:37
No...? What the hell are you on? Yes, you are right, cheats do evolve, but that doesn't change what I said. The Mirage clip, for example. That was around a 60 degree flick spray. There are multiple ways tournament organizers determine if someone could be cheating. The first is that the admins are watching, they can look at players and say "it looks like they may be cheating," such as with forsaken from optic india. They also use a very intrusive anti-cheat. While it is possible to bypass this, its difficult to continue to bypass it over time as the anti-cheat software is consistently updated and it may use a detection method your cheat did not account for. It depends on the tournament, if the tournament is online or LAN, but the idea is still the same. Any slip-up and your career is pretty much over, good motivation to not, but that doesn't stop people. With TenZ: That was a 60 degree flick. The reason we can easily say for a fact that wasn't at all suspicious was that a tournament admin would see it. If its incredibly obvious to the naked eye, it is a bad cheat because it is observable by the admin, remember, you need to avoid the anti-cheat software and the gaze of the admins, not just one or the other. Programming an aimbot that would turn that far, that fast, and shoot automatically is idiotic and is sure to get you caught. Which is why I bring up KQLY. The way cheats have evolved when it comes to aimbots are mostly in anti-detection, the anti-visual has been nailed for years. If you can notice it visually, its a bad cheat for a pro to use and they will not use it for the most part because admins will investigate. Hell, even forsaken, who was caught by visual, wasn't this extreme. It was a little thing like the crosshair shaking a tiny bit when it went over an enemy through a wall or something similarly minor that tipped the admin off. A 60 degree flick is so outrageously provocative that anyone outside of matchmaking wouldn't use it.
2019-10-24 10:45
This is crisp CLEAR EVIDENCE!!!! Ban this kid loool #brazilcsbest
2019-10-21 11:45
Brazil was good for half a year, now they're SHIIIIET
2019-10-21 14:08
#12
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Germany Schwimmer
baby shark dododo
2019-10-20 21:34
stfu, TenZ was actually bad. His aimbotz records mean nothing rofl
2019-10-20 21:35
#31
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Sweden KattiZ
yeah but subroza as a replacement isn't ideal
2019-10-20 21:35
Tenz did not deserve to be benched this way thow
2019-10-20 21:36
Tenz bottom fragging majority of bo3's after 3 full months, a "NA prodigy" doesn't play that poorly for that long.
2019-10-20 21:54
Exactly. Hopefully this benching helps him get his shit in order. He constantly changes his sens, res, and literally everything you arent supposed to do at his level.
2019-10-20 22:25
smh my head tenz.
2019-10-20 23:44
#390
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Indonesia lumayan
Finally..... someone with a proper argument hahahhahahaha, this is what I feel too
2019-10-21 01:58
#202
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Finland Smoonah
he was fucking asscream weeb always bottom frag
2019-10-20 22:09
Pretty sure he cosplays as an anime grill sometimes too
2019-10-21 00:49
Tenz was benches because of internal issues, not because the was bad
2019-10-21 00:53
Koosta has been much worse
2019-10-20 21:37
at least he doesn't change his settings every single day while this kid can't fucking keep his hands off settings
2019-10-20 21:38
why does it matter if people change settings
2019-10-20 21:48
Changing settings won't allow him to get confident with his view. He has to adapt every time to new stuff. Which causes him to bottom frag. he ttttttrash
2019-10-21 23:23
#75
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Sweden KattiZ
wtf are you talking about? koosta was c9's best player for a while until auti has been playing decently again, now he is the 2nd / 3rd best player with mixwell, tenz has been the worst player with stats worse than that of daps
2019-10-20 21:39
Mixwell and koosta have been the only ones on c9 playing good, auti has been in a slump until VERY recently, and daps and tenz have not been fragging that well
2019-10-20 22:42
+1
2019-10-20 22:49
+1 this kid doesn't watch matches but act like he knows everything
2019-10-21 00:31
lmao koosta, mixwell, and auti are the only ones putting up stats on c9. he plays the bitch roles and is one of the frequent top fraggers.
2019-10-20 21:53
ur lookin really stupid right now ' gyazo.com/7d54a48357ef21b194fb88c9d5fea5..
2019-10-20 21:59
What? Koosta has topfragged, don't know why everyone hates him
2019-10-20 23:27
#18
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Netherlands rajino
ur actually right this time
2019-10-20 21:35
+1
2019-10-20 21:35
+1
2019-10-20 21:36
#49
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North America ProudNAfan
Wtf c9?
2019-10-20 21:36
#82
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Argentina trackssZZZ
first flusha and now subroza, nice c9
2019-10-20 21:40
+1
2019-10-20 21:48
After the shit TenZ has been pulling I’d say Subroza is an upgrade... especially since he actually performs well at LAN once in a blue moon
2019-10-21 01:34
#89
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North America J_Nasty
NT no scene
2019-10-20 21:41
+1
2019-10-20 21:42
+1
2019-10-20 22:12
+1
2019-10-20 22:19
Trash ass team should stop getting invites
2019-10-20 22:38
German fans calling other teams joke LMAO
2019-10-20 22:59
#313
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Turkey Samsun85
No life...
2019-10-20 23:36
#341
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Indonesia ZAiD_
Lmao...... TenZ can't play on LAN, but he only can play in stream
2019-10-21 00:34
+1
2019-10-21 01:31
#489
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Brazil Danxd22
They just sign the wrong players.
2019-10-21 07:43
They have a major title to their name. I don't think they should disband. I do, however, hold out that they will return to form eventually. The problem is the lack of scouting in the pro scene. There's too many tribes, not enough warriors right now. Too many orgs are looking for squads that they're making these toss up rosters based on any and all pros on the market. In my opinion, there needs to be a serious time and financial investiture in identifying gems in the rough throughout the scene. Millions of players play CSGO. I'd be hard-pressed to believe that through proper scouting (like how NaVi ran an esports camp to find new talent). This will bring in the Boombl4's and ZywOo's that exist out there, but just haven't been truly discovered. I wouldn't believe there isn't GE players that don't play FACEIT or ESEA that couldn't destroy half the CS scene. It's very unlikely there isn't quality talent out there waiting to be discovered. C9, Dignitas, 100 Thieves... They all have the money to scout for players and run recruitment camps. There's an obvious problem in the scene when players move from team to team to team and can't hold down a spot on a roster for a particular time. When I see players who have a team history in excess of 10 teams, I just think it's either lack of dedication from the player that gets them cut, or lack of dedication from the orgs to help develop their players. Everybody wants a major, nobody wants to organize their team around an Astralis-quality infrastructure. Proper player management and support is essential.
2019-10-21 08:35
Watch all yall are clowin on C9 rn just like when Stewie 1st joined but then they fnna win and yall fnna act fake af
2019-10-23 03:27
#616
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United States itselmo25
bro you really think a org of this nature would have a cheater
2019-10-31 14:46
1st edit: fuck
2019-10-20 21:34
unlucky
2019-10-20 21:34
mens((
2019-10-20 21:43
SloweyGonzales i see
2019-10-20 21:48
not even a good meme anymore
2019-10-20 21:55
usa not even a good country anymore
2019-10-20 22:13
Never was
2019-10-21 00:04
Saved your surrender monkey ass from the nazi's though :D
2019-10-21 00:54
Everyone knows WWII was a scam mens))
2019-10-21 00:59
f5 no work
2019-10-20 22:13
#3
Liazz | 
Iceland BuioCS
Rip
2019-10-20 21:34
#7
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United States rer0lpxe
some good fuckin news
2019-10-20 21:34
#8
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Russia Darkrus
cool
2019-10-20 21:34
OMEGAKEKW
2019-10-20 21:34
NICE
2019-10-20 21:34
braindead team for now
2019-10-20 21:43
ez chiter
2019-10-20 21:34
screw you c9
2019-10-20 21:34
correct move he has been shit
2019-10-20 22:17
yeah sure, he must perform like s1mple when they put him as lurker without any experience while on atk he was star player ofc stats don't lie,ShitZ for sure
2019-10-20 22:42
did u even watch the games? he has very little impact most of the time and is set up in good positions....and still flops
2019-10-21 00:14
I'm amazed people disagree with this decision Watch a game or even just check the stats to familiarize yourself with how appalling he has been. Worse stats than daps, no flashes, not particularly good opening kills, and he's set up to be one of the power trio and is getting outfragged by koosta who has the shit roles. Frankly it seems like all he does is get caught out in every situation and its just painful to watch I'm so sick of morons talking about "mechanical skill" when all he did was kill some bots faster than someone else. What the fuck does that matter if you are completely clueless in every situation in game? Its obvious he needs more experience, and a team like cloud9 pays too much for some kid who should be in MDL for a couple more seasons to be there
2019-10-20 22:34
+1
2019-10-20 23:21
plus one
2019-10-20 23:36
I'm sick of people like you think you know much at all about the game and players. Go and hide under your rock you wank.
2019-10-21 00:42
turkey sit down and let the rest of the world discuss csgo please. thnx
2019-10-21 02:47
I don't need to He didn't perform in the server and doesn't belong on this team I'm not doing any particularly in depth analysis here
2019-10-21 15:59
+1 Was excited to see how he would fare on c9 against top teams on that aim hype alone. I agree, obviously was not ready to play on the next level.
2019-10-21 03:56
+1
2019-10-21 06:41
>Worse stats than daps, no flashes, not particularly good opening kills, and he's set up to be one of the power trio and is getting outfragged by koosta who has the shit roles lol'd at this. sad
2019-10-21 17:10
Who cares about CLOWN9 anymore
2019-10-20 21:34
#165
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Vietnam Renalph
C9 fans does
2019-10-20 21:55
c9 fans are all liquid or eg fans now...plastic
2019-10-20 22:12
im still here. not all c9 fans are plastic. I enjoy being depressed
2019-10-21 01:57
F just dont commit suicide mate
2019-10-21 05:21
Look at the amount of comments in this thread
2019-10-20 22:00
the people from NA are jumping at every NA team that is currently rising up, like when liquid started losing you could see how they were typing that EG is their last hope and they talked shit about liquid. so plastic and fake it shows how desperate they are, they only care about them selfes not being a meme anymore for EU which is funny as hell :D i actually like liquid and still think they have are top 3 for sure, but their plastic NA fans are just a pain in the ass, so cringe.
2019-10-21 01:01
I don't take the trains of people saying "NA prodigy" or anything otherwise seriously until it actually happens. They always scream "potential" and "upcoming". Yeah well he aint there yet so stfu and go away, but people always do that.
2019-10-21 01:12
Still a c9 fan. I actually hate when other NA teams do well. I like EG but i despise liquid. Been a c9 fan since i started playing 5 years ago. I enjoy watching my team fucking lose over and over to shit tier 300 teams that would be no problem for any good team god fucking dammit
2019-10-21 02:02
I feel that bro, they were the reason I started the grind, I miss when they dominated NA and could put up a fight against the best of the best...
2019-10-21 21:30
yeah man, c9 fans are the strongest mentally LOL
2019-10-27 06:37
lul
2019-10-20 21:35
#20
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Sweden KattiZ
out of all the people you go with subroza? Will be interesting to see how that pans out but I'm pretty sure this isn't it
2019-10-20 21:35
#255
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United States noCap
Subroza isn’t bad though he could be good
2019-10-20 22:45
#270
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Colombia MonstarX
More sense and experience than TenZ, he is a good trial, btw #freeswag
2019-10-20 22:54
tbh they'd do much better with steel, unfortunately he's steel banned
2019-10-21 01:34
Dead joke
2019-10-21 02:37
What joke, he genuinely is better than subroza and tenz kek
2019-10-21 03:02
#460
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Colombia MonstarX
Yes but no, can understand? I mean, they were in the same team (Ghost) and looking the stats, are pretty similar, but Subroza had a better performance than Steel
2019-10-21 04:47
#21
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Argentina Fa7e07
Pog
2019-10-20 21:35
#22
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Poland humen))))
-TenZ +Ex6TenZ
2019-10-20 21:35
+1
2019-10-20 21:35
#145
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Brazil gresote
+1
2019-10-20 21:51
#297
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Vietnam Renalph
I mean 1 TenZ isn't good enough but 6 has gotta be right?
2019-10-20 23:23
xd
2019-10-24 19:02
What a stupid decision wtf
2019-10-20 21:35
Did you see how bad he was ? Look at stats
2019-10-20 21:37
Stats, stats, stats... you watched the guy? You think its all about frags?
2019-10-21 00:44
he didnt have any flash assists either, and he definitely wasnt calling strats. Useless player cashing in free checks
2019-10-21 03:17
He only good at shooting static bots smh my head
2019-10-21 06:45
+1
2019-10-21 10:02
#146
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Brazil gresote
+1
2019-10-20 21:51
Wow you guys are literally braindead Are they just suppose to haul him around as dead weight until he maybe gets good?
2019-10-20 22:18
nice name
2019-10-20 22:58
#314
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Australia g00sey
I agree with you but i still had a chuckle at you calling others braindead with a name like that
2019-10-20 23:36
*reasonable decision
2019-10-20 22:21
#24
steel | 
Canada ZHF
Cloud9 cursed to be eternally mediocre
2019-10-20 21:35
that's it in a simple sentence
2019-10-21 03:10
expected, he was a weeb
2019-10-20 21:35
Why not wardell?
2019-10-20 21:35
they already have an awper
2019-10-20 21:54
wardell's overrated
2019-10-20 21:55
bench one cheater for the other xd
2019-10-20 21:35
#144
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Brazil gresote
+1
2019-10-20 21:51
my thoughts on the subject at hand
2019-10-20 22:43
I made 2 threads about Cloud9 roster changes which include TenZ being out. Good luck for TenZ and welcome Subroza! #C9WIN
2019-10-20 21:36
#33
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Switzerland x676
mixwell cum bek, you are loosing your time in NA
2019-10-20 21:36
He did loose a year in Spain
2019-10-20 23:29
#360
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Switzerland x676
Fakeflagger checks out
2019-10-21 01:03
? You are the fakeflagger
2019-10-21 07:48
#34
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Sweden Lingon
Could thy just get out of CS? No roster has worked since the Boston major
2019-10-20 21:36
#35
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Yugoslavia Esketite
Shit decision imo
2019-10-20 21:36
#37
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United States jmarcelo
YOO RIP TENZ
2019-10-20 21:36
THIS TRIAL IS GONNA LAST SHORTER THAN TENZ'S C9 STINT LUL
2019-10-20 21:36
rip C9 again
2019-10-20 21:36
BENCH AN ACTUAL YOUNGSTER WITH AN ACTUAL POTENTIAL JUST FOR A CHEATER LUL CLOWN9 DISBAND ALREADY
2019-10-20 21:36
>potential >cant kill people who are not bots
2019-10-20 21:40
FAN OF CLOWN9 LULULULULUL
2019-10-20 21:41
Fan of a dead team LOLULULULULUL
2019-10-20 21:42
BETTER REALIZE HOW SHIT THE TEAM AND DISBAND RATHER THAN WASTING MONEY ON BOTS LUL. 200K BUYOUT FOR FNS BTW HAHAHAHAHA
2019-10-20 21:51
im cloud9 fan because there is a moroccan, argentinian and spanish player in the roster
2019-10-20 21:52
yay, daps :3
2019-10-20 22:08
Moroccan? Who?
2019-10-20 23:30
Subroza
2019-10-21 00:16
#41
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Czech Republic mitsorubi
?????????????????????????????????????????????????? tf
2019-10-20 21:36
Cheaters9
2019-10-20 21:36
OMEGALUL
2019-10-20 21:36
nice good move
2019-10-20 21:36
#140
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Brazil gresote
-1
2019-10-20 21:51
#178
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Vietnam Renalph
+2 to make up for the brasilian guy
2019-10-20 21:57
-2 to discredit #178
2019-10-20 22:22
B-b-.. but.. he killed 100 bots in 35 seconds....
2019-10-20 21:36
#578
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Korea HullU
well for some reason, he cant kill actual human players
2019-10-22 15:40
Tenz has too much skill. If given enough time wont he develop into a star?
2019-10-20 21:36
skill killing bots LUL
2019-10-20 21:41
You cant argue that the raw talent isnt there
2019-10-20 21:49
maybe he has the best aim in the world but his iq is negative, literally all his highlights are against bots
2019-10-20 21:50
+1 plus hes shown blatant aim hacks like three times in the past week
2019-10-20 21:56
Where?
2019-10-21 00:39
i dont have the clips saved but thereve been a few threads recently that are hella fishy
2019-10-21 01:13
B aps on Mirage vs Furia
2019-10-21 01:46
Correct me if I’m wrong but I know it was b aps mirage
2019-10-21 01:47
Okay so the ability to be a top player is there if he just develops into a smart player
2019-10-20 22:02
Raw talent si more than just mechanical skill. There is also a skill known as "gamesense" which is how quickly you can pick up how to play the game itself at higher levels. Thats something he lacks.
2019-10-21 00:19
Lans are no place for player development
2019-10-21 02:08
awkward weebs of hltv fuming rn
2019-10-20 21:36
#50
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United States SWiFTzZzZz
They didn’t get moose? Edit: Also Cloud9 has two ties at BLAST LA not one
2019-10-20 21:38
#162
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United Kingdom _xC4ctus
Eh moose. Idk man.
2019-10-20 21:54
#51
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France StickyRice
Major winning team tries out some one who felt A LOT like an aimbot user :) Jack Etienne OMEGALUL Clown9's fall has been insane
2019-10-20 21:36
W T F
2019-10-20 21:37
#53
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United Kingdom TrueKime
Just disband already
2019-10-20 21:37
-bot +bot
2019-10-20 21:37
TenZ is the bot killer tho
2019-10-20 22:21
RIP tenz
2019-10-20 21:37
could take and buy moose
2019-10-20 21:37
-trash +trash
2019-10-20 21:37
Such a bad decision, anyway gl
2019-10-20 21:37
what a weird move
2019-10-20 21:37
#129
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Brazil gresote
+1
2019-10-20 21:49
worst player Subroza
2019-10-20 21:37
#130
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Brazil gresote
+1
2019-10-20 21:49
+1
2019-10-20 22:16
He's even worse then TenZ XD
2019-10-20 21:37
#131
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Brazil gresote
+1
2019-10-20 21:50
even steel is better than him =)
2019-10-20 21:37
#67
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Bulgaria gosholin
Bruh
2019-10-20 21:38
cloud9 is joke
2019-10-20 21:38
#136
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Brazil gresote
+1
2019-10-20 21:50
#69
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Germany ConAction
disband c9
2019-10-20 21:38
clown9
2019-10-20 21:38
#134
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Brazil gresote
+1
2019-10-20 21:50
bye animefg
2019-10-20 21:38
#73
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Finland Emvi
i mean just disband already what a waste of time
2019-10-20 21:39
bench onliner trial another one onliner Clown9 kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2019-10-20 21:39
They dont need offliner cuz they will not play on lan anymore LUL
2019-10-21 09:22
xaxaxaxax roasted disban c9 pls
2019-10-21 15:30
bench hope for future for a past cheater LUL
2019-10-20 21:39
replace tier 1000 with tier 1000
2019-10-20 21:39
#78
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Hungary StraYzie
WHAT A JOKE
2019-10-20 21:39
#148
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Brazil gresote
+1
2019-10-20 21:51
weeb
2019-10-20 21:39
good luck subroza!
2019-10-20 21:40
Cheat 9
2019-10-20 21:40
CLOWN9🤡
2019-10-20 21:41
#151
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Brazil gresote
+1
2019-10-20 21:52
#85
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Hungary Shiron212
lol
2019-10-20 21:41
clown9
2019-10-20 21:41
#88
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Brazil Guilup1
lol tenZ was playing really well , stupid c9
2019-10-20 21:41
.99 avg rating != "playing really well"
2019-10-21 00:54
-1
2019-10-21 02:20
#92
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North America eschato
clown9 always have shittest move
2019-10-20 21:41
#93
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Europe Nomarosa
We'll never see a good cloud9 roster ever again, boston were the last moments before the downfall.
2019-10-20 21:41
Boston was the end of the roster either way even if Tarik and Stewie never snaked to mibr ska still wanted to leave and there aren't that many good awps in NA
2019-10-20 21:44
Boston major was a lucky shot I hope no shitty team ever gets again
2019-10-21 03:13
#95
rain | 
Turkey bernje
from major winning to trialing shitty onliner CLOWN9
2019-10-20 21:43
nobody at the helm
2019-10-20 21:43
#98
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Brazil skazzi
-daps -subroza -koosta +Nifty +FugLy +s0m
2019-10-20 21:43
do not ruin envy for this
2019-10-20 21:44
#118
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Brazil skazzi
I always wanted to see autimatic and Nifty playing together.
2019-10-20 21:47
Nifty is toxic trash
2019-10-21 13:44
#100
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Other NDRnews
such a good players free agents and u sign a fucking NA tier 5 ex cheater LMAOOO Mixwell just comback to Riders with steel and auti pls sign with col
2019-10-20 21:43
#179
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Switzerland x676
+10000 imagine: Mixwell, loWel, ALEX, steel, meyern
2019-10-20 21:58
That would be a good team
2019-10-20 23:35
Subroza online: 59/3 Subroza lan: 4/23
2019-10-20 21:43
#103
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Finland J3bediah
Why does this forum hate C9 so much?
2019-10-20 21:44
Probably because Cloud9 doesn't make the best roster decisions and have been a joke ever since their major win in Boston last year. I still support Cloud9, but I'm at a loss as to who they should even get for their team now.
2019-10-20 22:39
better disband
2019-10-20 21:44
Lmaoo, disband plz.
2019-10-20 21:44
wow big mistake ooof
2019-10-20 21:44
old news
2019-10-20 21:44
#110
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Saudi Arabia Xpicyy
Great
2019-10-20 21:45
haha . tricked c9 . online cheater
2019-10-20 21:45
#112
NiKo | 
Europe trey_
wtf haha benching ur best player?
2019-10-20 21:45
#121
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Finland N1ggers
HAHAHAHA
2019-10-20 21:47
+1
2019-10-20 21:47
#126
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Brazil gresote
+1 expected from clown9 kkkkkkkk
2019-10-20 21:49
Teams usually have reason for their moves, maybe it just wasn't working out in team, ofc this could still be awful bad move but from team viewpoint it might make sense still no matter how it appears to us xd.
2019-10-20 21:55
tenz has not been the best player on c9 the fuck?
2019-10-20 22:20
+5000
2019-10-21 01:56
Question mark?
2019-10-21 01:51
#113
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Spain elskio
Cheater striking again.
2019-10-20 21:46
#114
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Other Phinks
like honestly do they think this dude will be the difference. No offense to him personally but.. how delusional can you be? Trying to pick up tier 3 players
2019-10-20 21:46
Rather tier 3 reformed cheater than a tier 5 aim bot bandit
2019-10-21 01:59
hahahahAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHhahhahahahahhahahAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
2019-10-20 21:47
#119
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Finland N1ggers
Onliner gone gg
2019-10-20 21:47
#120
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United States Yuncus
Fuck it bench best player
2019-10-20 21:47
#128
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Brazil gresote
+1
2019-10-20 21:49
are you kidding?
2019-10-20 21:51
no he isnt
2019-10-20 22:20
good pickup, koosta + subroza under appreciated
2019-10-20 21:50
#188
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United Kingdom n33b
subroza is a cheating piece of shit & cannot make a correct decision when they aren't loaded
2019-10-20 22:02
hahahahaha people actually think subroza is a cheater? lmao you're really showing your lack of cs skill
2019-10-20 22:46
#260
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United Kingdom n33b
You're showing a lack of a brain if you think he's legit. He even used his own name asking for cheats for AVA on some hacker forum before he turned up out of nowhere on CS scene. Cheated with CLG blatantly, so blatantly that they dropped him after like 1 lan
2019-10-20 22:49
#133
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United Kingdom VOSSKi
weeb down, i repeat weeb down
2019-10-20 21:50
wat
2019-10-20 21:50
#139
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Spain BlaNcoW
Mixwell leave this shit and go to a better team
2019-10-20 21:50
CLOWN9
2019-10-20 21:51
He needed some time. Not to mention that they;ve kept koosta, like why?
2019-10-20 21:51
ehhh, he has carried all the c9 matches????? best c9 player rn not kidding
2019-10-20 21:52
TenZ: locks on a player through smoke Fanboys: omg much prodigy big wow Koosta: carries TenZ Fanboys: omg bench the bot TenZ : gets a deagle clip Fanboys: godlike carry omg skill 1000000 omg omg omg omg
2019-10-21 02:31
+9999 AJAJAJAJAJJAJA REAL XDDDD
2019-10-21 18:27
nice, a cheater
2019-10-20 21:51
#153
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Brazil gresote
+1
2019-10-20 21:52
RIP Budget Twistzz.
2019-10-20 21:52
finally!
2019-10-20 21:52
CLOWN9 WTF
2019-10-20 21:52
Nice move.
2019-10-20 21:53
#158
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Turkey Slapdash
i hope this is tenz's wake up call to actually practice smart rather than fucking trying to beat aim challenges
2019-10-20 21:53
hahahaha n1 Joke9
2019-10-20 21:54
-bot +bot
2019-10-20 21:55
Finally, he got kicked he was so fucking bad.
2019-10-20 21:55
Worst decision ever TenZ has a huge talent
2019-10-20 21:56
c9 CEO become a joke just like coL CEO
2019-10-20 21:56
HAHHAAHAHAHAH
2019-10-20 21:57
#180
IM | 
Czech Republic cortan
Yeees finally. Subroza god
2019-10-20 21:59
another trash
2019-10-20 22:00
finally goddamnit but subroza...uh?
2019-10-20 22:00
#185
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United Kingdom n33b
Drop 1 possible cheat & pick up a definite one, this guy can't make a correct decision when he doesn't have them loaded up... it makes it so obvious that he's cheating the other times
2019-10-20 22:00
tenz showed on lan he has high skill and endless potential. subroza is a complete joke and couldnt even hold it together on a shitty CLG team a couple years back. such a terrible move
2019-10-20 22:09
Wait.. 0.93 rating while over half maps played against something like eUnited and Brazillian teams. Oh Also you have Infinite available and you get.. Subroza?
2019-10-20 22:03
#187
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Hungary subzera
Unexpected
2019-10-20 22:02
So everyone forgot about all the evidence to prove subroza is a cheater??
2019-10-20 22:03
#192
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Europe braxtey
same is with flusha! Noone cares now!
2019-10-20 22:04
#319
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Australia g00sey
There's more concrete evidence against subroza then flusha though
2019-10-20 23:47
#191
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Europe braxtey
Why! Why would they do that>?!
2019-10-20 22:03
Ghost9
2019-10-20 22:05
-daps -koosta +WARDELL +moose
2019-10-20 22:05
why the fuck would they do that Subroza sucks
2019-10-20 22:07
Not as much as TenZ on lan lol, at least subroza is consistent, TenZ needs a break to get his shit together
2019-10-21 23:41
I would have picked up Zellisas again than fucking Subroza. Subroza consistently sucking.
2019-10-22 02:34
You assume that subroza was their first choice, I guarantee you he wasn’t
2019-10-22 17:25
I think tenz got kicked because of aim locking
2019-10-20 22:08
whats with so many dumb germans who think these crazy canadian aimers are cheating? theres more german cheaters in mm than any other country lmao. neither of these players have ever cheated.
2019-10-20 22:45
What does the German scene have to do with tenz? He clearly is on the gear
2019-10-20 22:53
ive seen 5+ germans calling tenz or subroza a cheater in this thread. its very ironic.
2019-10-20 22:53
#318
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Australia g00sey
Takes one to know one I guess
2019-10-20 23:46
TRUE LUL
2019-10-21 00:00
How is it ironic. Tenz was very fishy recently and. Subroza known that he was a cheater
2019-10-21 10:55
subroza has never cheated. you are just bad at the game haha
2019-10-21 23:18
I'm not playing the game anymore and even if I would that wouldn't change the fact that subroza cheated
2019-10-21 23:20
source?
2019-10-21 23:42
I usually do not bandwagon the whole calling people cheaters, but TenZ has so many strange clips it puts flusha of old to shame. clips.twitch.tv/HorribleDeliciousHamster.. clips.twitch.tv/CuteGracefulSushiKlappa Both of these literally has no logical explanation. Can be random, but these are far from the only clips with him.
2019-10-21 14:41
typical danish bot. imagine thinking tenz is cheating. depressing
2019-10-21 23:16
"Typical danish bot" is always a nice way to start an elaborate way of proving me wrong. There's no logical explanation for his certain flicks just hammering people down through walls/smokes. It looks strange to a degree that would've gotten him banned in 1.6.
2019-10-22 14:11
players were a quarter as good in 1.6 as they are today. trash argument
2019-10-22 22:26
Not correct at all. Doubt you were here for 1.6 tbf.
2019-10-24 12:33
WTF I'm not C9 fan anymore Tenzera is not the problem u stooooobid
2019-10-20 22:08
keep shitty mentally weak koosta and not young future star tenz. no wonder c9 is complete trash. lost a fan with this terrible move
2019-10-20 22:08
what
2019-10-20 22:10
#204
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Poland morosek
Imagine benching a cheater for another one LMAOOOO
2019-10-20 22:10
bro I'm fucking done Tenz had so much potential this was his first real team. this is the equivalent of kicking stewie early
2019-10-20 22:12
- koosta + moose (if he can play idk) -mixwell + jdm64 (yes he's washed up but lounging power eZ)
2019-10-20 22:14
#249
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North America SLGam1ng
why would u remove mixwell lol hes their most consistent player
2019-10-20 22:41
Clown9 omegaKEKW
2019-10-20 22:14
#213
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Oceania aZZtec
Next week: Cloud9 announced the benching of Yassine "Subroza" and are adding Mathias "MSL" Lauridsen the team on a trial basis.
2019-10-20 22:15
"cloud9 bench cheater, trial another cheater"
2019-10-20 22:16
you must be very bad at the game if you think subroza cheated
2019-10-20 22:44
LUL nice try subroza
2019-10-20 22:58
lul nice b8 m8 8/8
2019-10-21 01:56
nt subroza, most blatant cheater ever
2019-10-21 18:27
lol wtf
2019-10-20 22:18
Yeah, Subroza is the solution for this shitty roster.
2019-10-20 22:20
He can’t hurt the results lol
2019-10-21 23:43
nice kick that cheater out of here
2019-10-20 22:22
#229
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Russia Glihhh
The c9 Roster will never be good again, just like mibr ;(
2019-10-20 22:24
Hahahahaha They're shuffeling again boiiis! Cloud9 dead team
2019-10-20 22:24
Tenz is the problem (he's not ready for pro CS), Subroza is not the solution
2019-10-20 22:26
#233
Snax | 
Poland xBG1
Benching trash to trail super trash player omegalul, pick up any eu player and he will hard carry this noobs
2019-10-20 22:32
#234
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Brazil CaioOlive
What the actual fuck TenZ definitely needed to be better, but you pick subroza instead? Better continue to try TenZ, geez.
2019-10-20 22:34
Lmao remove one shady player and add an even shaddier player ^^.
2019-10-20 22:35
Lmao so stupid
2019-10-20 22:36
#240
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Asia mocity123
AHAHAHAHAHA
2019-10-20 22:36
Good, fuck the weeaboo
2019-10-20 22:37
One cheater for another LUL
2019-10-20 22:37
Cheater for Cheater huh.
2019-10-20 22:38
#246
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United Kingdom TC10
fgs for once in their existence can c9 get an established player rather than one with "potential", we get it, you're trying to develop the scene and not be like, for example, g2 by just buying the best players you can see in the esport you're in because it will damage the scene but it'll make you some damn money
2019-10-20 22:39
MEH
2019-10-20 22:40
This guy should’ve been banned for years now, so obvious what he did in the past
2019-10-20 22:41
wow what? C9 is a cruel org. they give him 15 of his first pro matches ever to prove himself then cut him? thats insane. subroza is good and anyone who thinks he has cheated is bad at the game. crazy that c9 only gave tenz a couple months.
2019-10-20 22:43
this. How vanilla are people when they play CSGO? Im always spamming spots thru walls and moving my mouse to places on walls where players might be. It's just the sign of a good player and thinking of a players location and getting a feel of whre to shoot
2019-10-20 22:48
he had quite some tournaments, a team like c9 can't be playing this bad , ofc he gets benched, he is super inconsistent and he is by far the worst in the team along with daps. So yeah quite expected.
2019-10-20 22:49
#263
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Estonia RopzTop1
+1
2019-10-20 22:50
C9 replacing BOT yuri for BOT kurt
2019-10-20 22:45
flag checks out both bots are from canada tho
2019-10-20 22:59
oof
2019-10-20 22:59
#264
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Bulgaria goshyy
B R A I N D E A D
2019-10-20 22:51
#269
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United States yghj
how the fuck does subroza still get on teams. guys a joke. hoping tenZ becomes a beast is far better than hoping subparroza finally starts being good after years of shit tier 4 na cs
2019-10-20 22:54
subroza has always been underrated tf are you talking about
2019-10-20 22:54
#272
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United States yghj
hes got a 1.04 rating (below the average of 1.06) on lan, has barely any experience at high level and just farms online leagues that a re shit tier NA teams in order to keep barely above average stats. tell me why he could possibly be considered underrated
2019-10-20 22:57
you'll see ;)
2019-10-20 23:11
#292
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United States yghj
yes i will
2019-10-20 23:16
#275
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El Salvador Sp1x
I think TenZ will come back better, but he was not ready for a tier 1 team, which is what C9 should be aiming for with their money and prestige. That being said, this isn't a tier 1 move and will most likely not get them there. They may get marginally better, but they need something more.
2019-10-20 22:59
-TenZ was good but imo they should've -TenZ -koosta +wardell +k0nfig wardell k0nfig autimatic mixwell daps actually decent team
2019-10-20 22:59
I feel sorry for autimatic, such a wasted talent... C9 should disband and do some homework before making another lineup.
2019-10-20 22:59
That's crazy talk. They have an ECS and EPL spot and one of the best NA players (in autimatic). What you just said makes no sense. They might as well keep losing and staying in the front of the NA pro scene than to release the team/players to other hungry orgs and roll with nothing. If you haven't noticed, the NA pro pool is slightly depleted as of late. There aren't too many free agents popping off and ready for a team. Economically, C9 still makes a fortune on advertisement revenue from being in the top Pro leagues and garnering that exposure - such as having access to BLAST as well, as one of the key signees. They will not disband, lol. The only remote chance they'd disband is if they hadn't won that major. But they did, and they'll live off it for 5 years like NiP and VP did.
2019-10-21 16:50
C9 lineup has nothing to do with the lineup they had back then when they won the major. Stewie tarik Skadoodle RUSH ... they aren't part of C9 anymore and the current lineup (and the previous ones) of C9 has zero magic and potential. That's the problem with e-Sports, instead of looking for 3-4 NA players, just go international - the player pool isn't as good as we want it to be and if you want to build a good team in 2019 - going international is the best option you have. C9 aren't even top30 hltv.org rankings, that's... that's sad bro, I think they need a wake up call because with their current lineup they won't see any magic happening.
2019-10-21 17:07
Not many players in EU want to be in NA and even fewer viceversa. Mixes like FaZe have also proven to be problematic when in 2017, everyone thought it was the greatest thing. They've fallen far from that pedestal. The problem remains the same. There are hungry, 15-20-yr old players out there who drop 30-40 bombs in highend matchmaking that with the right support and tuning could apply their serious skill level to the pro scene. Not enough investiture goes into recruiting unknown talent. It's obviously out there. NA and EU, there's millions of players out there. Coldzera will always remain a staunch example of this. FalleN plucked him from the streets of Brazil and he went on to help them win 2 majors, as well as Top HLTV two years in row, in one of the strongest eras in CS history. These players exist. Na'Vi ran a recruitment camp to find new, undiscovered talent. The Brazil scene has proven to be very successful at producing quality players out of nowhere. Other scenes can follow suit with the right recruitment and guidance. Orgs need to stop relying on inconsistent kids who flop out of one team only to be picked up by another one. There are players who are in their top form, or approaching it right now, and need the opportunity. Resources for orgs is not even a concern now - with many have tens of million$ to conduct a fairly cheap method of talent discovery. Rogue was a sad excuse for why going international can be detrimental to the team. When niko and MSL dipped to go back to EU and join a national roster, they left Rogue in a terrible situation with no way out, just before major league play. It collapsed the team. You find 5 good Canadian/American players (of which there hundreds of thousands to pick from), in addition to already have some established players on your roster, like autimatic, you can build a solid group, who's loyalty you can rely on. Sweden, France, Poland, Denmark. Take your pick. Countries who are notorious for being 5-man national teams. Even with the lighter restraints of WESG (in 1.6, the counterpart was WCG), you only need 3 players of the same nationality to represent the country. That encourages more international rosters. Many European countries don't fancy international rosters if it can be avoided. And that's the history of this game. There's nothing wrong with NA rosters. The problem comes from player management and proper team investitures in areas that will help the team succeed.
2019-10-22 18:34
That's sad, I used to like to see TenZ play before he joined C9. I also feel bad for auti.
2019-10-20 23:01
Kid won a major already, over $400,000 in prize money, and gets a $25,000 a month salary to attend 1 event every 6 weeks. Trust me, he doesn't need your sympathy, for fuck sakes. People are so dense lol. What's there to be sorry for? He's already won a superbowl and plays for the wealthiest organization in esports. He's doing alright my dude. He's not hurting.
2019-10-21 16:53
He wants to win, it's clear on his face. If you're ok with only losing on your job, please understand that this doesn't mean that everybody is.
2019-10-21 18:55
Nobody wants to lose, lmao. Don't misconstrue frustration with your assumption he's unhappy. He makes more in a month than a top level 1.6 player made in a year in the 2000s. The amount of idiots "feeling sorry" for him is beyond me. This guy enjoys a life of luxury 99.9% of viewers will never have - especially at that age. In no major sport is every top player on a top-end team. Plenty of professional teams have 1 really great player. Assuming he's mopey because he doesn't have NiKo, ZywOo, and EliGE on his team is a bit ridiculous. This isn't the 1.6 days where top players banded together freely, because contracts and organizations were in the stone ages and were almost non-existent. This has become a mainstream professional career now and you play for who pays you. If he doesn't like them, as you say, he's not obligated to remain with them beyond his contract. It's like every 3 posts regarding Cloud9 you see idiots babbling the same line. "oh my gerd, so sorry for autimatic. Ohmygerd." If anything, and what you say is even remotely true, and he's actually unhappy, then he should be investing every fiber of his being in assisting management with acquiring valuable players he'd like to play with. This will never be a respected profession if everytime a good player has a premadonna cryfest, he gets his way. There's plenty of teams struggling and innumerable players out there wishing to be in his position. This is when these kids in their 20s need to grow up and man up. Don't feel sorry for an adult decision he made by signing a contract with a wealthy and reputed company with a storied history of supporting its players, when so many other orgs fall far behind.
2019-10-22 18:15
tl;dr
2019-10-22 19:57
add SOKER and is not a joke
2019-10-20 23:01
moose? k0nfig? Wardell? no, no, no u get subroza?
2019-10-20 23:02
why is moose so hyped up lmao
2019-10-20 23:25
Better than subroza isnt he?
2019-10-21 08:15
cheater for cheater
2019-10-20 23:04
#285
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Russia GoozeX
What is happening with my favourite team...
2019-10-20 23:07
Why not also Wardell? Hell, kick daps and get steel. It can be a rehash of ghost line up
2019-10-20 23:07
-cheater +cheater
2019-10-20 23:09
buh bye weeb, -anime from csgo +anything
2019-10-20 23:14
KICK CHEATER, GET CHEATER
2019-10-20 23:18
Come back to Spain mixwell
2019-10-20 23:19
I thought tenz was the new upcoming NA star
2019-10-20 23:22
they judged him on his first 15 maps. pretty unfair in my opinion. the current worlds best players pretty much all had rocky starts.
2019-10-20 23:27
Well they stated style clashes. TenZ probably wants to play more aggressive while the team still wants to go with their initial style of play which is defaultyand playing off information
2019-10-21 01:56
Lmfao
2019-10-20 23:25
They take to long to make this decision, but adding Subroza its not gonna solve anything.
2019-10-20 23:26
#308
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United States xiquo
rip in pieces
2019-10-20 23:30
ughh
2019-10-20 23:34
#311
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Malaysia jskhoo
NA shuffle xD
2019-10-20 23:35
#316
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Brazil goatzera
hahahahha go back cheating on pugs garbage
2019-10-20 23:42
0iq spotted
2019-10-21 17:11
Mmmm poor level
2019-10-20 23:47
#321
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United States fraus
hahahaha finally
2019-10-20 23:50
c9 is so fucking done stop using NA trash leftovers and spend some big money on big names
2019-10-20 23:51
#325
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Brazil hugoooo
I think that flusha and kioshima didn't make this idea look good.
2019-10-20 23:53
#323
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Brazil hugoooo
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/11231/Sub.. For real?? This guy will not deliver on lan, tha's for sure. At least he will bring big numbers online and will help c9 to go further in lots of online qualifiers. autimatic better carry him on lan.
2019-10-20 23:52
Maybe if aim_botz ever gets into the map pool then Tenz can come back. It's a huge problem for Tenz when the bots are moving
2019-10-20 23:53
LMAO
2019-10-21 00:28
#326
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South Africa @FyreCS
Wtf is this bench?! Terrible move, they aren’t using him right... Subroza isn’t even close to the solution holy...
2019-10-21 00:00
cloud9 is a fucking stupid org who loves to waste momey on trash players, having quite a few decent players to pick they choose subroza lmaoooo
2019-10-21 00:02
#446
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South Africa @FyreCS
IKR?! If they’re gonna -Tenz anyway which they shouldn’t, at least pickup like Infinite, Zellsis, Mitch, Crashies, Moose, somebody that has actual potential. Subroza s the guy that cheated on CLG for a brief time right?
2019-10-21 03:30
Some people said that Don't forget marke, this guy is insane
2019-10-21 05:00
#592
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South Africa @FyreCS
+1000 agreed, I also think Crashies has some insane potential...
2019-10-23 03:22
Why not Infinite ? Or Zellsis ? Both way better than 360spinbot Subroza
2019-10-21 00:15
wtf lol yes probably infinite but the most well known org in the world isn't going to pick up n word boy. It's just how it is. Zellsis? L O L
2019-10-21 00:32
They're both way better. Zellsis is really good and all the mistakes he is doing are really ez to fix. He can develop a lot under a guy like daps. Infinite should get a second chance, he apologized twice already :/
2019-10-21 00:34
we saw what Zellsis was during his last time in c9 and I agree I want Infinite on this team so bad. C9 could've actually made legends with him
2019-10-21 00:34
I would actually prefer yay over both
2019-10-21 00:50
#448
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South Africa @FyreCS
I would say Yay as well, but I think Yay is main awping now? Insanely low headshot percentage now. (Like 33% or something)
2019-10-21 03:31
yeah he is but I dont really like mixwell awp and would prefer him as rifle/second awp
2019-10-21 03:56
#591
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South Africa @FyreCS
He's awping is still insane, but I respect your opinion, and slightly agree with it since Mixwell himself says he doesn't like to main awp
2019-10-23 03:20
#447
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South Africa @FyreCS
2019-10-21 03:30
Lol subroza, cloud9 = retarded
2019-10-21 00:19
#337
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Hong Kong Silver6
Are u fucking kidding me?
2019-10-21 00:24
this esport is a joke
2019-10-21 00:37
Nice
2019-10-21 00:45
rip clown9
2019-10-21 00:47
Dude, you have zellsis, infinite, yay, floppy, and other talented riflers and you pick freaking subroza?
2019-10-21 01:08
Lul
2019-10-21 01:08
Ridiculous decision by some jerk on C9 Why choose Subroza ? Just for laughing, just this kkkkk
2019-10-21 01:08
Expected
2019-10-21 01:21
Blatant cheater over probable cheater, clever move.
2019-10-21 01:22
#368
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Brazil Gereph
t3 team XD
2019-10-21 01:27
I can't even believe what I'm seeing? Subroza has already proven he's shit time and time again, at least TenZ could have found form. Please lord help Cloud9
2019-10-21 01:30
c9lol
2019-10-21 01:36
Replace onliner bot with onliner bot, classic Cloud9!
2019-10-21 01:44
#378
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Chile strong221
i though coldzera to faze was a bad movement, but this is worst by far
2019-10-21 01:47
#380
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Canada _CTRL_
Good for Subroza, it's good to see one of the guys from sole patrol getting a chance with an org
2019-10-21 01:50
imagine being a C9 fan in 2019
2019-10-21 01:58
Funny how people accusing Tenz of cheating when he is being replaced by an actual cheater
2019-10-21 01:58
Team Besiktas women team are in higher tier than C9. C9 is joke now.
2019-10-21 02:01
#393
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Asia Blitzer
NA flusha
2019-10-21 02:01
Feels Bad, it's just sad to see what is happening to C9
2019-10-21 02:09
+s0m
2019-10-21 02:20
sad for autimatic, he deserves a better team.
2019-10-21 02:35
Best mechanical aim on the team getting cut when he should be supported by the veterans to just outaim people and grow. RIP C9 decision making
2019-10-21 02:36
please just release autimatic. Literally wasted talent.
2019-10-21 02:43
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2019-10-21 02:54
Hacking subroza for young up and coming TenZ??? WOW
2019-10-21 02:57
C9 guys don't have a contract? Or they do and get quickly benched anyways? Wasn't the "new C9 project" unveiled just 2~3 months ago? Never been a fan of C9, this team has always sucked and their fan base is shitty too, but now they seem to be at their lowest point ever. Just disband ffs
2019-10-21 03:04
Clown9
2019-10-21 03:07
#437
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Europe Cr3eP_70
Memory should be very short at C9 administration... They probably forgot who was on that team; Who lead that team to a major; Also who put that team on csgo map... Adding such a guy, it's like signing a surrender term... Sad.
2019-10-21 03:11
#439
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Argentina sebaxinho
ex cheater on trial. Are clown9 management under hard pharmacs?
2019-10-21 03:15
HAHAHAHAHAHA BEST DAY EVER
2019-10-21 03:16
#443
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Portugal joaosenra
I never said that pro player is cheating but Tenz ??? I think cloud 9 is benching him because they know he is cheating or at least they are distrusting
2019-10-21 03:23
bring back swag
2019-10-21 03:23
nice trash team upgrade to supertrash team
2019-10-21 03:28
cheater
2019-10-21 03:34
Classic C9.......
2019-10-21 03:53
Relyks would be a good choice since he awps decent and c9 needs one
2019-10-21 04:07
#454
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North America SLGam1ng
what u mean c9 has all the awpers it needs
2019-10-21 04:08
yeah i think so too but they just need a good reliable player i guess, not someone they pick because he plays good in pugs, i love tenz but yeah, professional cs aint for him just yet
2019-10-21 04:20
#471
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Estonia RopzTop1
why the fuck does c9 need three awpers lmao. bring in a rifler like floppy or Infinite
2019-10-21 06:08
Subroza with cheats = garbage Subroza without cheats = silver 1 matchmaking
2019-10-21 04:11
#457
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Indonesia lukerey
Still hoping ibp's player get unbanned. Love to see steel being an IGL for c9. I believe he still have great skill and mind to compete on tier 1. Its time for daps being a coach or smth. Not a player.
2019-10-21 04:31
TenZ not good but Subroza not better
2019-10-21 04:34
RIP clown9
2019-10-21 04:50
#465
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Kazakhstan k4harman
NO WAY. THEY KICKED THE BEST PLAYER OF THEIR LINEUP. gl tenz, in futurw u will play in better team than clown9.
2019-10-21 05:48
#467
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United States IndeedGG
They should’ve gone with floppy and wardell
2019-10-21 06:02
#470
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Estonia RopzTop1
+1
2019-10-21 06:07
#472
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Ukraine minemax
Clown9...
2019-10-21 06:10
Ngo XD
2019-10-21 06:16
EZ 4 hacker
2019-10-21 06:22
Cloud9, PLEASE, fire your roster manager, he is completely incompetent, this move is just ridiculous, even compared to the previous ones that the org made. You should invest into young and motivated players with potential to become a top tier player, not washed up guys, who couldn't show anything in their previous teams, this is just insanity.
2019-10-21 06:26
#478
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Turkey CHAMPTZ
Benching their best player LUL
2019-10-21 06:42
Their best (cheater) player LUL
2019-10-21 08:58
and then get subroza who was blatantly cheating in the past
2019-10-21 09:28
I know men :)))) They just changed cheaters KEKW In C9, there is a role called "cheater role" LULW
2019-10-22 06:59
bench their only one good player hahahaahahahhahahaa
2019-10-21 07:20
I want to see Sick Autimatic Floppy Mixwell Ryann
2019-10-21 07:34
#486
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Brazil fazecrack
OMEGALUL SAVE AUTISMATIC.. PLEASE
2019-10-21 07:36
#522
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Egypt ExonsX
I got a stroke reading this
2019-10-21 12:55
Koosta has the game sense of a silver one player with 20 hours in the game, he is by far the worst player on the team. They need to fork over some actual cash and get pick up another decent support player. Get Jordan out of retirement!!!
2019-10-21 07:56
OverraTenZ
2019-10-21 08:51
lul
2019-10-21 08:55
-automatic +forsaken -mixwell +kqly -koosta +TenZ Then, Cheat9 So EZ
2019-10-21 08:57
The guy has a 0.93 rating across 30 maps of course he will be benched.
2019-10-21 09:01
#505
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Israel SOEZ4NIK0
+1 why is everybody saying "unexpected"?
2019-10-21 09:39
- Online cheater + Online cheater XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2019-10-21 09:49
#521
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Egypt ExonsX
yes mens)) but subroza better cheater on lan
2019-10-21 12:51
yeah let's watch it unfold :D
2019-10-21 13:04
+Subroza? OMEGALUL
2019-10-21 09:53
#509
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Indonesia KoNtA10
Ah shit, here we go again :(
2019-10-21 09:59
#512
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Algeria MagnumDz
players who got attention because of FPL are shit when they join teams exept zywoo ..
2019-10-21 10:48
#605
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Europe Theivze
Ropz?
2019-10-24 18:07
Poor kid couldn't adapt to playing vs moving bots
2019-10-21 11:12
Just disband, dead team, benching their best aimer
2019-10-21 12:36
#519
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Egypt ExonsX
best aimer against bots
2019-10-21 12:47
lmao +1
2019-10-21 12:50
Still wont work with koosta. Daps is trying to replicate what he did with NRG but it's not possible with this roster. You need a Cerq on your team in order for a young NA rifler to shine. Someone like poizon (don't really know who else is a young powerful awp sorry) will enable someone like yay I believe and then you have a decent team.
2019-10-21 13:17
to get better just missing the FNS
2019-10-21 13:40
#550
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North America SLGam1ng
no just no stop its time to stop
2019-10-21 18:29
#530
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Brazil Collee
rofl
2019-10-21 14:23
hacked kid
2019-10-21 17:29
clown9
2019-10-21 18:28
lol
2019-10-21 19:04
I've been an unwavering C9 fan from the beginning. But this might actually be what breaks my loyalty. A known cheater? Really Jack? You bring in a widely known cheater. You might as well just disband at this point because clearly you aren't going to find any talent.
2019-10-21 19:16
#555
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Russia Sc1pio
not the best move
2019-10-21 19:23
#556
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Russia GramDEL
Dafuq? TenZ was decent
2019-10-21 19:24
before: OMG KICK TENZ, BOT TENZ, TENZ IS A NOOB after: OMG C9 IS STUPID, WHY KICK TENZ??? logic.
2019-10-22 00:26
+1
2019-10-25 07:50
nice
2019-10-22 01:05
Worst hacker
2019-10-22 02:30
Young talent benched xd
2019-10-22 08:28
#579
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Korea HullU
Out of every person in NA, they HAD to choose Subroza. I don't hate him, just saying there are plenty of better options out there.
2019-10-22 15:50
when nothing works,a hacker in the team might work...
2019-10-23 21:17
Its clear that subroza is worse than tenz...so I would assume this was due to team chemistry or something in tenz life that interferes with CS
2019-10-23 22:07
#608
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Ukraine EmErAJID
bb, anime boi
2019-10-26 19:22
#610
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South America ZyvvOo
-hacker +hacker
2019-10-27 06:44
lol cheater still alive ban him forever!
2019-10-28 14:56
C9 is a super rich org and but this $hit... just buy seized and dima
2019-10-28 16:53
#613
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United States theory^
WTF WASTED SALARY MONEY CLOWN9 MANAGEMENT... WHY SUBROZA
2019-10-28 21:54
get s1mple noob c9
2019-10-29 11:49
GL Subroza
2019-10-30 01:24
#617
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Poland L0r4k
Lol c9 disband pls
2019-11-01 00:35
LOL I DIDNT SEE THIS WTF HAHAHAH
2019-11-01 08:15
From 1 major to complete pathetic. RIP Cloud 9.
2019-11-03 02:31
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