dupreeh on the SG 553: "I think we are looking at the most overpowered gun in the history of Counter-Strike"

We sat down with Peter "dupreeh" Rasmussen to hear his thoughts about BLAST Pro Series Copenhagen, Astralis' plans for the end of the year, and the Krieg meta.

Astralis will be hoping the third time is the charm for their team as they head into the event in their country's capital, aiming to win BLAST Pro Series Copenhagen for the first time.

The 26-year-old is not a fan of the current meta

dupreeh didn't run away from the fact that they are favorites on home soil, broke down the rivalry between them and Evil Geniuses, and spoke about his ways of dealing with frustration in games.

Starting here at BLAST Copenhagen, it's the third time you'll have it here, it's a special event for you guys since it's the capital of Denmark, and I think you personally live nearby as well, you see the arena every day. Is there an additional desire to do well here? What's the feeling like coming into the tournament?

There's obviously the fact that we have all the Danish supporters coming here, and that we have a sold-out arena and we know that at least 99% of the people coming here are going to support us, so there is a huge thing going on for us. Me, personally, the fact that I see the arena every time, I do think every time I get close, I think: "Oh, the game is coming closer and closer". We are very confident right now, and we hope that we can show the real Astralis. We've been trying to show it the last couple of months, it's been going a little up-and-down, but I feel like we've started to come out ahead, so I feel like we feel confident and we just look forward to playing.

Are you favorites to win this event?

I think so. Without being biased, I think we are the favorites here. I mean we have Liquid coming in, and they have been looking a bit shaky as well; then you have Na'Vi at the same time, they have been looking really up-and-down as well, so I think it's really hard to say, but at the same time when you play against all these players and you've played against them so many times, sometimes it's just about the day. Sometimes one of the teams just shows up in a way that you didn't expect and then if you don't show up yourself, you're just going to end up losing. There are just no bad players here.

Kind of by surprise, this rivalry between you and Evil Geniuses started developing; they overtook you in the World rankings just a few days ago. What is your feeling on them, their rise and come to prominence, and the three-way thing that's going on between Astralis, Liquid and EG right now?

I think EG is probably the team we have the hardest time beating, and I don't really know why because it also was a problem when they had daps. We always seem to lose the winner's match against them, and then we lost against them in New York as well. I don't think we played that great of a final in New York, to be honest, but they are a team that seems to be doing really well in terms of how they work chemistry-wise. They are really solid in the meta with the new Krieg and everything, it has definitely given them another tool to work with - not saying it's the only tool they work with, obviously, because I also have to be polite (laughs).

No, but they are a team with really strong talents, they have the core of CeRq, Ethan and Brehze, it's a core that has been working together for a long time, and especially Brehze has stepped up tremendously the last couple of months. Then, I think the addition of tarik and stanislaw has given them some experience, and especially when it comes to stanislaw, he's the type of in-game leader I could see that looks at the game a little bit in the same way as gla1ve does. He's really good at reading the game, knowing when to go aggressive and when to push for information and when not to push for information - I think that really benefits the team. I think he's a really smart in-game leader, and then obviously with the raw talent they have, the team chemistry that they have built up, I think they are a really great team. I think it's really hard to determine who's the best team in the world right now because there is really a lot of up-and-down, and even though they are the number one ranked team in the world right now, and we were the best team previously, I don't think anyone could actually claim the spot. I think we're going to see who is going to win in Beijing, and who's going to be the best team there.

You touched on the Krieg, obviously, there's a lot of discussion about it at the moment. Throughout the last five years of CS:GO we've had different metas, different overpowered guns and stuff like that. How do you feel the current Krieg stands the test against the CZ-75 back in the day and the AUG, and other things? How bad is it, really?

I think we are looking at the most overpowered gun in the history of Counter-Strike, honestly. You had the combination of the AWP with the quick-switch of the CZ75 back in the days, you had the M4A1-S shooting really really fast, you had the AUG meta, but I still think the Krieg is the one that is by far the most powerful. There are two things to it: when a CT gets a Krieg, he will go for duels that he would've been unable to take with an M4 or an AK, for that matter, and he's just going to sit there and hold an angle, and it's just really powerful. It seems that you can actually out-duel AWPs, and when the Terrorists decide to go for aggressive peeks against M4s, there are just certain peeks you can't take anymore as a CT, because you know there's a Krieg waiting for you there, they're just going to peek you.

I think it's a shame, actually, for the game, I think it's really not in place, the gun is basically too powerful in terms of the accuracy of the gun, it has a scope, and some people claim that it has an easier spray pattern than the AK if you just learn it. I think it's up to each individual person how good they are with it, but you can definitely see the popularity of the gun has risen since everyone started using it, obviously. There are players that are just so good with the weapon, that whenever they get it, a player like Brehze, a player like Brollan from fnatic, you can just see how their individual level has gone skyrocketing since the gun. They are still really great players without it, obviously, but it's still at a point where I think it's too good for how it is in pricing.

So what's the solution? What do you have in mind to make it more manageable?

There is a tonne of solutions, but the thing is about finding the right one. Is it to nerf the fire rate? Nerf the scope? I think Twistzz came up with an idea that he would make it semi-automatic only. I kind of like that idea a little bit, but at the same time, I'm also afraid that it's going to make it completely useless because I don't want to see a gun that's completely taken out. What I like about what they've done to the AUG right now, is that it actually feels like it's still really viable in certain situations and some positions, and a few players in my team also decide to pick it up whenever they play a certain position, and it seems to be working pretty well for them. I think that would be really nice that you can actually find and balance in a way where you can have the Krieg being still in the game, but not as the main weapon always, unless you actually want to invest more money into it. Obviously, put it up in price, but also make sure that you can actually still use it.

Moving on from that, I think an interesting thing about your team, maybe you in particular, sometimes you seem to vent frustrations out in the match, like punching the table and stuff like that. How does that work in relation with the whole sports psychology and stuff that you kind of pioneered as a team? Is that something that's thought of as acceptable, venting? Can you tell me about that dynamic?

It's not really a secret that I'm an emotional player in a lot of ways. It's definitely improved for the better over the past couple of years, because when I was even younger, and everything just didn't work out for you, you could just really end up in a situation where you would just not play well because you were not feeling it emotionally. I've been talking it through with my sports psychologist, and, obviously, it is just a part of me - I can never remove it. I don't think I can ever just take it away that I will never get frustrated or never get pissed about something in a game, because that happens, and that's how I am as a person. That is also my strong side - I mean if I end up being in a situation where I get frustrated about something, the key is to get away from the frustration and find the right path again.

That's kind of what I've been trying to learn and it's still really hard in some ways, but what I have learned the most is that despite being frustrated, I can't let it affect my game so much that it will affect my teammates. If I start getting frustrated and start being an idiot, and start not giving the right calls, or being late on information, it's going to affect my teammates. That's what I've been putting my focus on making sure that I'm still a good teammate despite actually being frustrated. But obviously it's also one of my strengths - if I have a really good game and everything just seems to be rolling for me, it just adds into my game and I become even better. It's finding the right balance, but it's definitely something I've been working on lately.

Coming to the end of the year, there are a lot of tournaments, as there are always, like finals of all these leagues and stuff like that. It's kind of a busy schedule, you also decided to go to IEM Beijing, which is in China, flying East is something that you've been avoiding recently. Can you tell me a bit about the thinking behind the scheduling going into the end of 2019?

For our team, we've obviously had the discussion about traveling East, and the fact that we have a couple of guys in the team that are affected very much by jet lag, and obviously going East is always going to be worse, and we've had issues when we went to Sydney before. What I think has changed this time around is that we want to try to go East again to see how everything works out because we have been working on getting a better schedule and working on people focusing a little bit more on their mental health and their physical health as well. We want to give it a shot going East, see how everything works out.

We felt like, foremost, going to China was to get the experience of going East, but also going to see our fans and actually experience playing in Asia, because we haven't really done that yet. I don't think it's an effort towards redeeming ourselves or saying: "We can still go East", or anything like that, it's just a part of the schedule. I don't think there's any special decision behind going there, apart from that it fits better in our schedule and we decided not to go to Turkey because we had BLAST Pro coming up, which is a tournament we really want to focus on. Also, we had the ESL Pro League qualification, and the ECS that we wanted to go to, so it just didn't fit that well for us. Putting BLAST Pro in Copenhagen as a tournament we really want to win, we also wanted to put in extra effort in practice.

With all the tournaments that you're going to be playing, what is the goal? What will you be happy with when the Christmas break comes up?

Being the best team in the world in the rankings would definitely be the goal for us, it's always the goal, so maintaining that spot and claiming it back is our top priority. By now, we can already see that we're not going to achieve the same things we did last year, and that's not something we go around and cry about, because that's just how things are. We want to go and win at least a couple of tournaments more, it would be really nice to win in Copenhagen, but also in Odense, which we've already qualified for. Just making sure that we have a stable situation once we go into the Christmas break, and then taking it from there.

Denmark Peter 'dupreeh' Rasmussen
Peter 'dupreeh' Rasmussen
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
1523
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.14
#1
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North America ZachS721 
Mad cuz bad I actually think the aug was more op compared to the m4 than the sg is to the ak. However it still needs some nerfs.
2019-10-31 16:38
#9
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France Axpie 
Yeah man this 4 times major winner must be bad
2019-10-31 16:37
#15
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North America ZachS721 
Yes, clearly the HLTV.org user knows more than a cs legend. Definitely wasn’t sarcasm.
2019-10-31 16:39
then make it even less obvious pepega
2019-10-31 16:44
this gun exists since the beginning of csgo and ppl are crying now
2019-10-31 16:52
NERF SG 553 = RIP EVIL GENIUSES
2019-10-31 16:57
#145
ropz | 
Finland HerraX 
NERF SG 553 = RIP *FURIA
2019-10-31 17:44
+1
2019-11-02 13:31
+1
2019-11-03 01:30
#409
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Indonesia lumayan 
+1
2019-11-08 01:57
SKuses from Astralis
2019-10-31 17:45
#218
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Denmark Kon10R 
You HONESTLY think they need that? Or is it a pro at the VERY top of the scene knowing what he's talking about?
2019-10-31 19:06
Yes
2019-10-31 19:25
#259
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Denmark Kon10R 
Got it. You also recognize a pro, when you see one. I was worried for a moment that you thought Astralis needed excuses. I.e. Malmö: Everybody talked about "jetlag" regarding Liquid and EG ... But Astralis played the final Sunday night in New York and played the opening match Tuesday morning ... reached the semi's ... So, nope! Excuses not needed for this team! ;O) Not winning everything ... but apparently the "least losing" for the time being!
2019-10-31 19:30
#271
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Sweden LimeyGaming 
psst, they also traveled east from new york, which apparently is their worst thing ;)
2019-10-31 19:56
#274
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Denmark Kon10R 
Travelling east is apparently worst for evyone.
2019-10-31 19:57
#386
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Brazil |witcher| 
Device did complain about it.
2019-11-04 19:11
#410
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Denmark Ken92 
Yeah, astralis dont need excuses, in the interview today with device when they won over 100thieves, her said, we are trying to exploit the current meta. All know the SG is overpowered. And it will get nerfed Soon,
2019-11-08 03:44
You do know that more or less EVERYONE on the pro scene critisize the SG right? Why would it be an excuse if Dupreeh critisize it as well?
2019-11-04 01:05
#383
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Germany KamenFD 
because the gun was in the game for so long but the pros didn t play it. Now it s regarded as new and it sound so stupid. the new sg meta ok, but not the new sg like wtf
2019-11-04 09:41
#384
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Sweden MapleOakYew 
Price is new as well as the AUG got nerfed. That made the whole difference in the SG becoming meta. Not regarded as new. They say new meta not new SG.
2019-11-04 13:23
#396
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Germany KamenFD 
" They are really solid in the meta with the new Krieg and everything, it has definitely given them another tool to work with - not saying it's the only tool they work with, obviously, because I also have to be polite (laughs)." - dupreeh NEW Krieg
2019-11-06 09:54
#403
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Sweden MapleOakYew 
You are still saying the gun was in the game for so long. But the reason that it is meta is that the condition changed quite recently.
2019-11-07 13:44
#416
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Germany KamenFD 
the single condition was that it had a reduced price for a specific time period and since everybody tried the weapon out, they learned how strong it actually was. Right now it s the same as the old sg. Nothing new.
2019-11-11 11:08
#417
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Sweden MapleOakYew 
No, the reason that it is meta is because the AUG got nerfed so CT cannot use AUG to counter SG. Imbecils.
2019-11-11 11:17
#419
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Germany KamenFD 
it is still not new. On what meds are you sir? The gun is not new and did not have any stats changed ever since. Price is the same as the old. I never spoke of the meta or condition of the meta. Did you even understand what I wrote until now. Also you can t call out people like that when you don t look in a mirror.
2019-11-13 10:16
#420
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Sweden MapleOakYew 
I quote you ''the single condition was that it had a reduced price'' (KamenFD). Please notice, you say the single condition. That is not the condition that canged the meta. That is what i am trying to impose on you.
2019-11-14 10:32
#422
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Germany KamenFD 
Krieg is still not new. It s the same old gun. Just because it and AUG have seen play, doesn t change the fact that the gun is not new. Yes, the reason SG is played, is because CTs can t abuse AUG as much anymore, but the gun is not new.
2019-11-15 09:46
#423
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Sweden MapleOakYew 
What do you then mean by saying ''single condition''?
2019-11-15 11:32
RIP EG and RIP FURIA I think some old scholl team back in top 5
2019-10-31 18:06
#179
tarik | 
Brazil GuGa62 
you mean mibr? hmmmmm
2019-10-31 18:25
no mibr is dead
2019-10-31 18:36
#228
tarik | 
Brazil GuGa62 
LOL
2019-10-31 19:12
+1
2019-10-31 21:28
+1 even with the aug nerf people said that the sg didnt need a nerf because it isnt as good as the aug and now literally every pro is crying about it
2019-10-31 17:06
#130
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Argentina MrRioKai 
AND the aug has the potential to tap the head and kill, when de M4 doesn't The Ak and the sg both can one tap
2019-10-31 17:33
aug was the krieg with a easy spray... now aug shoot very slowly
2019-10-31 18:38
#191
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Brazil amagalhaes 
drop me your aug, boludo.
2019-10-31 18:45
reply at the bottom maybe?
2019-10-31 21:44
The sg and the Aug got buffed. It took only a week to nerf the aug because how OP it was. The aug got nerfed the ssg did not
2019-11-06 10:04
they did not get buffed at all. they had their price dropped by 200. also the aug took longer than a week to get nerfed. teams were slow to adapt. it took several months and until after a major.
2019-11-08 06:24
no i think he is a player who refuses to adapt and then cries about it
2019-10-31 17:12
#224
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Denmark Kon10R 
Coming back winning the 4th Major after a strong Liquid-period ... Maybe not so hard for a top pro to adapt. When one of these 100 top pro's is saying something, you just go: "Yes, Sir!" HOOODDAHELL do you think you are ??! ;O)
2019-10-31 19:09
#340
JW | 
Turkey LantarEZ 
lol blastralis fan triggered again
2019-11-01 08:59
I think you don't know how this all works.. as #9 said. An 4 time major winner vs, C(lown)9 who's results have been disappointing for like 2 years now or smth? (Except their major run)
2019-10-31 16:41
#54
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North America ZachS721 
A true fan sticks by their team when times are tuff. C9 made some dumb roster decisions in the past, they made one not too long ago by picking up subroza on trial, but at least they’re trying to make changes, which was something they were a little scared to do before. Also again, sarcasm.
2019-10-31 16:47
a true fan just ventilates your room well
2019-10-31 16:55
The best fans can also cool your pc
2019-10-31 17:37
#176
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Spain N0Love 
You made my day sir
2019-10-31 18:21
xD
2019-10-31 19:02
jajaja
2019-10-31 19:10
#227
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Denmark Kon10R 
JEEE !!! Took me a while to catch my breath from laughing !!!! ;OD
2019-10-31 19:12
lmao
2019-11-01 18:22
#392
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Greece NaviGuy 
lmfao
2019-11-05 20:50
don't mind me but a normal person would support a team not an organization, I mean why do you love c9?.... If you really love the organization over the team or any player then you must be retard
2019-10-31 17:44
#237
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North America ZachS721 
1 word. Autimatic... but I really love C9 as well.
2019-10-31 19:21
it's OK retard to support dead team
2019-10-31 19:25
just compare it to soccer, usually people cheer for the team and not for the players. The same can apply on CS...
2019-10-31 21:49
only retard like you do this not everybody
2019-11-01 03:18
reported and learn to read first...
2019-11-05 15:49
Revolvo!
2019-10-31 16:50
#329
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Poland L0r4k 
But what bout revolver?
2019-11-01 00:17
+1
2019-11-04 15:11
#2
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Albania Edjon 
Nice, too OP of a gun
2019-10-31 16:41
man you are trying so hard but its still not enough LULW
2019-10-31 16:41
#45
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Albania Edjon 
both times random coincidences, i dont f5 on hltv mibr_is_overrated :)
2019-10-31 16:45
#3
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United States ComplexCS 
SG 553 Nerf?
2019-10-31 16:37
#80
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Italy Laxity 
I hope
2019-10-31 16:58
#81
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United States ComplexCS 
ONGOD
2019-10-31 16:59
#4
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Poland Hanse 
R8?? Dupreeh Alzheimer?
2019-10-31 16:37
#30
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Germany JJojojo 
got never used in competitive CS though and nerfed pretty soon after release
2019-10-31 16:41
#55
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Poland Hanse 
However his sentence states "cs history", not "competetive only cs history"
2019-10-31 16:47
#65
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Sweden Hi im Lirax 
true
2019-10-31 16:54
#73
NiKo | 
Croatia mimi031 
Cs go history *
2019-10-31 16:57
#82
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Poland Hanse 
"I think we are looking at the most overpowered gun in the history of Counter-Strike, honestly. You had the combination of the AWP with the quick-switch of the CZ75 back in the days, you had the M4A1-S shooting really really fast, you had the AUG meta, but I still think the Krieg is the one that is by far the most powerful. There are two things to it: when a CT gets a Krieg, he will go for duels that he would've been unable to take with an M4 or an AK, for that matter, and he's just going to sit there and hold an angle, and it's just really powerful. It seems that you can actually out-duel AWPs, and when the Terrorists decide to go for aggressive peeks against M4s, there are just certain peeks you can't take anymore as a CT, because you know there's a Krieg waiting for you there, they're just going to peek you." where exactly does he say anything about CSGO specificaly?
2019-10-31 16:59
#95
NiKo | 
Croatia mimi031 
He means that cuz he never played 1.6, maybe a little but not comp lvl
2019-10-31 17:08
#158
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Brazil NukebRS 
still said cs not csgo
2019-10-31 18:01
#172
NiKo | 
Croatia mimi031 
Cs is 1.6, css, csgo. Back in the day usp, deagle and awp were op, usp had 12/100 and with awp u could wallbang litteraly everything, every deagle shot went straight where u aimed. Im following scene since Gamegune 2006, first cs tournament i watched. He can say cs history but he wasnt in 1.6 history. They should ask forest and GeT_RiGhT about krieg.
2019-10-31 18:21
you know whats funny? ive been saying all this, about the accuracy, about dueling awpers, opening long range angles, since 2015. pros didnt use it for years while it is easily the best gun in the game. and now that people started actually using it suddenly its OP and they cry? even if valve put the price at 3000 or 3200 they would still cry. and it has been this strong for years. its their own fault for using the wrong gun for all those years.
2019-10-31 19:05
#412
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Sweden Svahn 
Regardless of that fact. I personally think it makes for a worse Esport. Watching a bunch of 5v5 "scopers" holding down angles is not what I signed up for. Valve has to be careful here, you don't want to alienate your fanbase
2019-11-09 02:58
he might've not used it. Bro it was for only fucking 2 days.
2019-10-31 17:11
#124
JW | 
Russia BEpis_man 
What about tec-9, when olofmeister was called tec9meister?
2019-10-31 17:28
#126
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Poland Hanse 
800$ AWP + XM amalgam > 500$ M249
2019-10-31 17:28
source galil > cs go all
2019-10-31 16:37
actually source dualies> csgo all
2019-10-31 17:11
#6
MarKE | 
Mexico MarKeGOAT 
no, the awp is
2019-10-31 16:37
#319
Frankie | 
Italy J1reN 
GN3 Spotted i know the feeling when u are just running without flashes and smokes and BOT movement then u get easily killed by AWPer. dude if u play as an AWPer VS a good team u will barely be able to move
2019-10-31 22:21
KEKW
2019-10-31 16:37
#8
Jame | 
Netherlands KarakurtJ 
oof
2019-10-31 16:37
#10
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Poland Kobel_ 
Besides the lowered price, did the Krieg see any changes for the entirety of CS:GO? It's fun people now consider this gun OP when it didn't change in the slightest since the release of the game
2019-10-31 16:37
#26
jhd | 
Finland JHdash77 
I looked at the update history and sure enough, only the price was changed. Last time the gun was changed was early 2014
2019-10-31 16:41
#44
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Poland Kobel_ 
As I said. Both scoped guns were sidelined by the community as "COD guns" and something "you just don't use" without giving much thought to it. The price decreases were only an impulse for people to actually test it and for pro players to bring forward its usage in pro games. If it is OP, it was always OP. People were just ignorant of it.
2019-10-31 16:45
#68
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United States PP_Bizon 
+100000
2019-10-31 16:55
#104
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Norway JorgyZ 
Good thought process, i also think the un-nerfed cz and tec 9 were the most op guns. I dont think dupreeh really thought this through
2019-10-31 17:11
true actually, 20 bullets cz was sooo overpowered
2019-10-31 17:23
#254
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Norway JorgyZ 
What are you talking about? I mean after they buffed cz to make it 1 shot kill close distance and first bullet dead accurate
2019-10-31 19:27
2014/2015 CZ was so fucking busted, I don't remember its initial mag size and the wiki doesn't mention it, but the accuracy fire rate mag size and tap potential was so disgusting for such a cheap pistol that you can't even compare the sg to it in terms of which is/was more op
2019-10-31 19:31
#343
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Norway JorgyZ 
Okay, i started playing in 2015 so i think i completely missed that cz version
2019-11-01 11:37
December 10, 2014 Magazine size has been reduced to 8 and reserve ammo is now 16 (3 mags total). Damage has been reduced slightly. Firing rate has been reduced slightly The CZ75-Auto takes nearly twice as long to draw, and has an updated draw animation. Kill reward is now 1/3. Updated the weapon description. yes, it used to be called 'pocket AK'
2019-11-01 12:15
#348
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Norway JorgyZ 
Lol that was a big nerf
2019-11-01 15:07
#108
REAL | 
Norway Bellai 
sure it always was a really powerfull gun but the pricing was correct and not always good idea to buy due to economy management
2019-10-31 17:12
Randomrambo used it lol
2019-10-31 17:26
#128
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Poland Kobel_ 
Yes and it was such a noticeable exception you still remember it.
2019-10-31 17:31
Yep I totally agree with you tho. The psychological aspect of all that is kinda funny especially if you think that you have a whole bunch of people paid to analyze shit. It's like the shotguns that were 100% used to flame before but slowly people kinda accepted they could be OK in certain situations.
2019-10-31 21:19
#149
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Laos El_Cholo 
the problem i see its just the price. The fact that you can buy such a powerfull weapon even if you loose pistols but planted the bomb its crazy....the ct cant barely buy any good weapons after wining that round. I dont think they need to neerf it, just higher the price and if you really want to buy it then you just have to save money like you do if you want an awp... imagine if they lower the price of the autosniper the same as the sg....then everybody would use the autosniper....the game is more borring now when every T uses the freaking sg....dont need to be good at aiming either
2019-10-31 17:51
tru. restoring the original price of SG would make it so much better, it sucks when the scores are close and T can always buy SG while CT can't even afford M4... famas vs SG? LUL
2019-10-31 18:32
+1 it should just have a price increase and they should not change anything about the gun, bring it back to its old price and everything will be fine again, just like before.
2019-11-06 04:13
dubot
2019-10-31 16:37
I arent think that
2019-10-31 16:38
#13
Brollan | 
United States brbsyt 
Anyone remember the AUG season last year I personally think that was more op
2019-10-31 16:38
on some maps like Train still OP
2019-10-31 16:58
#93
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Brazil fefealzueta 
don't forget about the augpocalipse back in 2015
2019-10-31 17:06
2013*
2019-10-31 17:13
The aug update that got fixed almost immediately was in 2014: youtube.com/watch?v=THR5qKDnCYs Revolver also needed an immediate fix it was that bad. CZ required several fixes. SG was the same for years, if it was as OP as some other weapons it would've been noticed. At best it is slightly OP, nothing close to these other examples.
2019-10-31 21:00
And the xm1014 hell in 2014
2019-10-31 17:32
"augpocalipse" rofl :D so true tho, for a short time the aug was the most op gun that has ever been in the game.
2019-10-31 21:46
#314
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France CocoBiceps 
+1
2019-10-31 21:55
#14
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
AWP pre nerf wants to know ur location
2019-10-31 16:38
it means awp
2019-10-31 16:38
Increase the price to 3100$
2019-10-31 16:39
LMAO
2019-10-31 17:01
#18
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Finland Jolkkoswag 
R8 wasent that good? ok bring it back
2019-10-31 16:39
pre nerf AWP dude
2019-10-31 16:40
Only people with no aim defend sg
2019-10-31 16:40
#137
NiKo | 
Finland FocusMen 
+1
2019-10-31 17:40
#151
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Laos El_Cholo 
+100
2019-10-31 17:52
The gun is best for people with insane aim wtf are you talking about
2019-10-31 17:59
And aswell for the people with worst. You just need to scope.
2019-10-31 18:13
how does having a scope impact your ability to aim? it just makes the gun more accurate. if you cant track enemies for shit or have bad reaction time, youre still going to lose. lowering the fov by using the scope, is actually a downside of the gun. it would be even stronger if you had the scoped accuracy without having to use the scope.
2019-10-31 19:08
Obviously it's easier to click fucking heads if you're zoomed in. Think about it.
2019-11-07 14:11
it makes your fov lower which means you see less and enemies move faster across the screen. if it makes it easier for you, that means your unzoomed sensitivity is too high. and you should probably sit closer to the screen as well.
2019-11-07 14:16
#242
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World ZMDR 
i barely even touch the scope when i use it. it has way better armor penetration than ak and is more accurate even without it.
2019-10-31 19:23
no, when people started using this gun the top aimers started to play worse
2019-10-31 20:29
SO ElIGE isnt one of the best aimers in the world?
2019-10-31 20:30
do you think elige has better raw aim than s1mple, niko?
2019-10-31 20:30
elige is fcking ridiculously skilled. The team doesnt play around him, he makes a lot of entry/2nd entry and he is just so confident and effective. if it wasnt for the awp (which is easier to get kills and highlights with) elige would be considered the best player in the world.
2019-10-31 21:49
+1
2019-11-01 00:16
he does
2019-11-03 19:12
+553
2019-10-31 18:00
#21
Lox | 
Russia Tsarevich 
R8 and cz75 were more overpowered when they were released
2019-10-31 16:40
#22
NAF | 
United States skzl_ 
R8 has entered the chat.
2019-10-31 16:40
#23
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North America Straf3R 
Aug week? R8? Aug at katowice 2019? Pre nerf awp?
2019-10-31 16:42
#32
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Germany sketchbook 
Only R8 better in my opinion
2019-10-31 16:42
pre-nerf awp? you mean the update that killed awp duels so that there is no reliable way of peeking an awp without utility. If anything it made the awp even stronger, cause it's still easy vs rifles.
2019-10-31 17:15
Agreed. The game was more exciting and fast-paced back then. You actually had awpers peaking other awpers and making a difference - now its just who ever holds the right angle gets the kill.
2019-10-31 21:50
#352
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North America Straf3R 
Wow, it's almost as if there is one entire side of the game that does that. Oh boy. That sure is an idea.
2019-11-01 16:37
Reply needs to have actual content
2019-11-01 16:44
R8: I would like to speak with you
2019-10-31 16:41
#27
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Ukraine zSnake 
Yeah, so OP that nobody (except from Magisk and NBK) was using it before Valve dropped it's price by a flash-bang and decoy.
2019-10-31 16:41
#35
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United States fatburger 
+1
2019-10-31 16:42
They weren't using it because of it's higher price. Try to understand that.
2019-10-31 16:43
#42
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Ukraine zSnake 
The most OP gun in the history of the game > fucking 250$ Dood :/
2019-10-31 16:44
Because pros don't want/like change. If you honestly take what nonamers write on hltv/reddit/twitter etc. more seriously than PROs (who give their whole life to this game), then I don't know what to tell you.
2019-10-31 16:45
#58
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Ukraine zSnake 
> "Giving the whole life to this game" > Not trying a gun which is tiny bit cheaper to enter next possible meta first.
2019-10-31 16:49
#91
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Ukraine zSnake 
*tiny bit more expensive
2019-10-31 17:06
You're mentally not well
2019-10-31 18:09
#189
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Ukraine zSnake 
No, I'm zSnake.
2019-10-31 18:37
i agree
2019-10-31 19:09
#48
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Germany sketchbook 
Obviously because they didnt want to take the risk to get good with a new weapon if they dont know if they outcome will be beneficial to them
2019-10-31 16:45
#182
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Europe tweekzter 
What risk? You think they'd forget how to use an AK if they learn one more spray pattern?
2019-10-31 18:29
#300
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Germany sketchbook 
Maybe the time they have to invest in learning it, that time that they could spend on improving already existing things.
2019-10-31 21:06
Vini from Furia always played with both SG and AUG before the meta, also his teammates often
2019-11-01 00:18
#28
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France J0riS 
Just Increase the price to 3200$, so you can choose between an AK47, flash, smoke or just the SG
2019-10-31 16:41
> 2017 > pff shit gun, shit spray, cod gun, it's just not as good as AK, why pay extra haha, "should have bought AK" custom name > 2019 > oh shit oh shit valve pls fix too OP too good easiest spray nerf to shit pls "why even buy awp these days sg too powerful" raise the price tenfold "yeah cs dev we tired of sg meta nerf when" scope too op bUt GuYs DiD YoU KnoW it hAs 100% ArMoR PeNetRatioN?!>!?!?!? Grammar worsened to match that of the typical user who writes such statements Fluketality btw
2019-10-31 17:03
Naw set it to 4200 and it’s good
2019-10-31 18:25
#294
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France J0riS 
That's a lot, no 1 is going to use it anymore lmao
2019-10-31 20:41
But hltv users told me its fine LUL
2019-10-31 16:41
NOBODY MEMBER TEC9
2019-10-31 16:42
#34
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Germany Merkelistan 
it took 250$ less to make useless gun a most OP weapon in the game XDDDDD CS pros are a joke.
2019-10-31 16:42
mensa.lu/de/mensa/online-iq-test/online-.. Please do this and tell me what you got.
2019-10-31 16:44
#234
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Germany Merkelistan 
Vielen Dank dass Sie den Mensa Test probiert haben! Sie haben 25 Fragen richtig beantwortet, Sie haben also gute Chancen den richtigen Mensa Test zu bestehen
2019-10-31 19:17
+1
2019-10-31 16:44
#205
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Brazil renatorib 
+1
2019-10-31 18:58
+553
2019-10-31 20:00
+1 Dupreeh smart.
2019-10-31 16:42
#38
United Kingdom xJMS 
No one remember best gun in the game RG revolver post patch
2019-10-31 16:43
#40
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Poland Lukovsky 
really really really interesting
2019-10-31 16:44
Just increase the price to 3500
2019-10-31 16:45
Too much 3000 $ AND WE HAWT
2019-10-31 17:06
#116
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Norway JorgyZ 
3500 would nerf it to the ground, nobody would buy it anymore I would increase the price to 3100 first and see what impact it has before deciding a final change
2019-10-31 17:14
yeah, that might be a better option, I was just thinking of a more drastic option since many pros are saying it is stupidly overpowered.
2019-10-31 17:23
"jUsT aDaPt iT aLReaDy, oR qUiT tHe GaMe LmAo"
2019-10-31 16:45
#100
OCEAN | 
United States KKonian 
Just adapt by playing long ranges against it, oh wait. Just adapt by playing medium ranges against it, oh wait. Just adapt by playing close against it, oh wait.
2019-10-31 17:08
#50
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Ukraine ksay 
well krieg was this way since the start of the csgo history it's funny to think that they haven't noticed the most overpowered gun in the game until now
2019-10-31 16:46
moneysystem and costs have changed Mr 2IQ. It is maybe the same weapon but in a different econemy.
2019-10-31 16:57
#103
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Ukraine ksay 
mr 1iq do you remember how aug was set back to initial cost and pros still cried until the gun itself was nerfed? no? the way he is describing current SG has nothing to do with 200$ less cost pros are just dumb af the funniest thing is that when everyone cried about aug meta they didn't use Krieg what a bunch of low iq people. whaaaah
2019-10-31 17:11
Mr-100 IQ The money system and prize of a "main" weapon decide a lot of decisions for a player. AUG also profit from the new econemy. Surprise!
2019-10-31 17:13
#118
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Ukraine ksay 
what the fuck did i just read are you even reading you monkey? lol
2019-10-31 17:15
if they didnt buy it usually, because of economy, then teams should all have had at least 1 player on their team, who would pick up SG if they had not enough money to buy an AWP and wanted to open a long range angle, or if the team economy was good enough to afford the higher cost after winning a couple rounds. but that was not the case. they simply did not buy it.
2019-10-31 19:12
it has nothing to do with money, SG and aug where always viable. no one ever used it before because of the rage of the community. I always used SG and aug since 1.6, and believe me: the most comom thing was being called bot, noob and all those things. now think a little bit: the guy that today is a pro, back in those days was a normal guy like u and me, and if he ever tried those guns (aug, sg, p90, auto, etc) everyone would have raged on then. They would never try it the same way most of u guys never tried it before, because above all, they are humans like us. Now imagine if a team of pros started using those guns in the past... they would receive a lot of rage from the comunity and probably would abandon the gun because no org would want a team that no one likes... now use your high european IQ to think about it :) have a nice favela day
2019-10-31 22:20
Because before you couldn't buy it consistently with the price now you can buy it in place of aks with no drawbacks
2019-10-31 17:12
you could already buy it consistently instead of ak. just 1 less p250 in an eco round, and there you go you could buy it in next gun round and still get all your nades.
2019-10-31 19:13
you can buy it second round with a bomb plant and no armor
2019-10-31 19:22
yes its too cheap now, but at 3000 you can still buy it every gun round
2019-10-31 19:26
In pro matches maybe but in MM people dont buy as a team.
2019-10-31 22:06
you can buy it yourself, every gun round, when you would buy an ak. its easily worth having 1 less flash or one less p250 to be able to reliably one tap people at any range
2019-10-31 22:25
#52
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Sweden ronkaball 
no
2019-10-31 16:46
#53
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Brazil Karlogaria 
Funny how less than an year ago the Krieg was one of the least used rifles ever
2019-10-31 16:47
NA/SA can't survive without it
2019-10-31 16:55
+1000
2019-10-31 21:36
yeah funny how a gun this strong was in the game for years, and pros all refused to use it. i wonder what more they have conspired in all that time...
2019-10-31 19:13
#56
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Brazil fuNNa 
AUG was most overpowered gun in history i expect more from pro player
2019-10-31 16:48
#57
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Australia |bruh| 
people be really stupid to say R8 because it wasn't in comp play like bruh
2019-10-31 16:49
Remember that the kreigs movement and accuracy stayed unpatched from 2014 where they nerfed the aks counterstrafing and first bullet accuracy to make the gun less powerful so its like a 2014 AK that shoots faster and seems to have a more forgiving spray
2019-10-31 16:52
and with scope, its 3x more accurate while standing. 4x while crouched. the recoil is lower, inaccuracy per bullet fired is lower, and fire rate 10% higher than the ak
2019-10-31 19:15
Yup let's not forget how the scope slows ur movement and allows anyone with shit movement to counterstrafe perfectly
2019-11-01 21:01
R8 Revolver - I Was the most OP gun in CS history AUG - Hold my beer 1.6 mp5 - Hold my vine P90 - Hold my vodka SG553 - HOLD MY BARREL
2019-10-31 16:53
#63
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Brazil deivid50 
Shame is 5 years of this weapon and pro knowing power now.
2019-10-31 16:53
moneysystem and costs have changed Mr 2IQ. It is maybe the same weapon but in a different econemy.
2019-10-31 16:57
#83
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Brazil deivid50 
and guys with 16000 dont buy for why? the problem not is the price, aug prove it, dont be dumb mr 1 iq
2019-10-31 17:00
We talk about the T site. For them, everything is already cheaper and they don't need a kit. On CT site you miss very often the 200$ at T site how often you miss the 50$? also the new money system makes it harder to get broken after 1 round lose or just 1 round winning after losen 5 rounds before. But 16k can get very fast 0 when you won 5 rounds and lose 2-3 rounds or you make always 1-1 rounds...
2019-10-31 17:10
#102
OCEAN | 
United States KKonian 
The price being too high made it not get played so people wouldn’t practice with it so even if they had 16k they wouldn’t buy it
2019-10-31 17:10
how much practice do you need for it to be worth for 1 guy on the team to buy it to stand on maybe 2-3 specific angles on a map and one tap a guy crossmap lol maybe 2 hours? its insanely accurate gun with a scope. but they simply didnt use it.
2019-10-31 19:17
#276
OCEAN | 
United States KKonian 
If they spray pattern was exactly the same as the ak then people would have practiced with it for when they have a lot of money or whatever.
2019-10-31 19:58
but you dont actually have to spray with it at all. its better if you tap
2019-10-31 20:02
#282
OCEAN | 
United States KKonian 
For a pro to use it in a match you dont think they would want to be perfected on the spray pattern? At close and medium range it does the same job as an ak but better. Its not just for long range tapping
2019-10-31 20:06
but it would have been a huge asset even if teams only had 1 guy who occasionally used it just for long range tapping. but they simply didnt. because theyre idiots.
2019-10-31 20:08
if this game was competitive, every team would have at least 1 assigned SG player at least since 2015, who has practiced it as many hours as the AK
2019-10-31 20:09
#289
OCEAN | 
United States KKonian 
Yeah looking back maybe that should have been the way. Maybe if the price gets changed to like 3300 each team will have a dedicated SG player that gets utilized in a certain way
2019-10-31 20:29
but it was already obvious 4 years ago
2019-10-31 20:47
#297
OCEAN | 
United States KKonian 
Yeah and it should have been obvious that smoking was bad for you
2019-10-31 20:49
yeah it is. youre inhaling smoke.
2019-10-31 21:11
#302
OCEAN | 
United States KKonian 
Doctors were recommending it back in the 30s-50s. There will be some shit with technology evolution in the future and everyone will think "why didnt we just do that before"
2019-10-31 21:14
yes but the difference is that using sg isnt fucking rocket science. anyone who didnt figure out that that gun is good is an idiot. its just a fact that about 97% of ppl are idiots.
2019-10-31 22:13
#322
OCEAN | 
United States KKonian 
SG got some use from players like NBK and Elige but it did not look dominant enough to have everyone switch over and have to spend extra money for it. Now that it can be directly compared to the ak due to it not making a difference on your buy a lot of times its better in every way so its worth it to switch over to it
2019-10-31 22:28
i already wrote arguments against this to you im pretty sure. even when teams had 16K they wouldnt buy it. its kind of hard to imagine that a professional player would not have the time to learn to burst 5-6 bullets with this gun. the spray pattern is really easy. if theyve ever played with an awp or scout, they will already know how to play with scoped weapons. they must have known about how insanely accurate it is, because anyone who calls themselves pro in a game sohuld at least know the stats for all the guns and know how strong they are. i just dont buy that they didnt buy it because it was marginally more expensive. they just didnt bother.
2019-11-01 18:25
#185
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Europe tweekzter 
People still use the AUG tho.
2019-10-31 18:31
Yeah sad lmao
2019-10-31 20:04
#64
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United States RandomX0 
Just revert the price and everyone will stfu about it.
2019-10-31 16:53
Krieg doesn't get nerfed cuz Valve don't decide for eSports they decide for more players playing the game. This is a contradiction in any esport game. Do make the meta for the best or do you make it for the average (in CSGO obv Gold Nova)
2019-10-31 16:54
Nowadays average is Global/lvl 5.
2019-10-31 19:00
#323
OCEAN | 
United States KKonian 
the average player is in the top 0.75% rank eh. Just because you left gold nova and dont have any connection to it that doesnt mean it doesnt exist
2019-10-31 22:30
Why not make krieg and aug the same power, price and spread?
2019-10-31 16:57
Dupreeh : "-SG 553 is most overpowered gun " Revolver: "-HOLD MY BEER"
2019-10-31 16:57
#76
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Lebanon ryBBah 
Liquid > Astralis , it's life kids. Enough said! #Let'sGoLiquid #NAisTop1 #NACS>EUCS
2019-10-31 16:57
+1
2019-10-31 16:58
No it's the awp
2019-10-31 17:03
#86
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Argentina sebaxinho 
It's not so hard, just make the rifle cost the sufficient amount so you don't have 3 kriegs after you lost the pistol round. Make it 3300$ or 3400$.
2019-10-31 17:03
800 for bombplant, 1900 for round, then you would need to get 2 kills in pistol to buy it the next round, instead of being able to buy it with 0 kills. but, 3000 would already be enough imo
2019-10-31 19:19
#87
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Slovakia sanjuro 
ignorant pro's, op since ages and they found out it just now and cry
2019-10-31 17:03
#88
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Norway Maximilianmus 
the sg has been like this for years stupid pros
2019-10-31 17:04
#89
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Europe tweekzter 
It seems like pros are a bit slow in recognizing potential. The SG was like that for a long time and also the price was reduced the same time the AUG was reduced. And only after they raised the price of the AUG again pros started to use the SG... lul
2019-10-31 17:04
+1
2019-10-31 17:08
why does it matter whether pros discover op guns or not. ak/m4 was used for +15 years. it was balanced and it worked. there are no incentives to learn other guns. they discovered it now, does it matter???? no, it will soon get nerfed and people wil go back to ak. what has changed ? basically nothing but a short period with an op gun everyone bitching about.
2019-10-31 17:38
#174
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Europe tweekzter 
It is just interesting cause in competition (especially on a professional level) people usually try to utilize all the benefits they can possibly get. So the question is, what took them so long to realize the benefits of the SG.
2019-10-31 18:21
the incentive to learn the new gun is that its 4x as accurate with first bullet as ak. and yet they didnt try it for years valve shouldnt nerf the gun into the ground, its one of the few guns in this game that isnt an RNG piece of shit. if they nerf it, might as well make the awp inaccurate as well and have everyone running around the map full speed spraying whole magazines like silvers
2019-10-31 19:21
that is not an incentive at all. ok, you try new guns, find out theyre op and they'll get nerfed. whats the point? in contrary you can just keep using ak/m4 because you know your enemies will use these rifles, too and they are balanced. trying out new guns to find out theyre op is a waste of time. 0 incentives.
2019-10-31 19:38
the point is its way more accurate so you will win more fights if you use it its different from ak, because its actually viable to tap with it at mid and long range instead of always spraying half a magazine like a mg player but if any pro had actually used it, during the past 5 years, then they would have performed significantly better sadly the only guys that tried it, apparently never even played cod casually for 10 hours and couldnt figure out when to scope and when not to scope and how to peek with it and they just prayed with it long range instead of tapping. NBK, magisk, etc. i thought that was pretty funny. tl;dr if you agree its OP, there is your incentive to play with it
2019-10-31 19:43
#90
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Brazil Nickzim 
What the hell he was doing before the awp fix?
2019-10-31 17:05
Honestly pros should stfu about this, it was in the game for years and noone uses it. Imagine a pro scene where noone gives a fuck enough to explore outside of the meta to get an advantage. "esport" lmao what a fucking joke they deserve to have this gun unchanged for another 6 months
2019-10-31 17:08
#115
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Brazil rekiller 
this
2019-10-31 17:14
Agreed ... i hope the gun will not be nerf. Only an increase price of 300 to 500$
2019-10-31 17:43
they were all too busy hammering out those aimbot configs to care
2019-10-31 19:21
THX VALVE
2019-10-31 17:08
#106
OCEAN | 
United States KKonian 
I’m this thread “it has been the same gun for years”
2019-10-31 17:11
99 hs damage(close range 1 tap), lower firerate and higher price. do it volvo
2019-10-31 17:12
After pre-nerfed awp
2019-10-31 17:13
Agreed, only 2nd to the 2014 awp
2019-10-31 17:21
no
2019-10-31 17:25
#125
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Italy CHEBBOxxx 
brehze CoD player, written between the lines. can’t bias, duppe is right.
2019-10-31 17:28
That's an absurd statement. We had the Tec9, the CZ, the AWP, the Revolver. The krieg already competes with the AUG (CT) and AK (T). Additionally, it's a buyround weapon with high cost, meaning the relative impact an AR has in a buyround against other buys is nowhere near as big as the value a 300$ or a 500$ pistol had against 4-8k in value on opposing players.
2019-10-31 17:30
cry more
2019-10-31 17:33
#134
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World breezy0 
No shit Valve wants to dumb down skill ceiling in CS to access CoD market. Kids love the easy weapons, scopes and run and gun. Guns and gameplay like this are bad for a competitive shooter that CSGO wants to be.
2019-10-31 17:40
Its the same weapon as before .
2019-10-31 17:41
#141
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World breezy0 
No it isnt, it was changed
2019-10-31 17:42
#153
JW | 
Germany Eulix 
last sg change was 2014 after that only price changes
2019-10-31 17:58
#162
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World breezy0 
CoD scope? 😄
2019-10-31 18:03
that was in 2012 have you been living under a rock?
2019-11-02 18:24
kkkkkkkkkkkkk
2019-10-31 17:39
r8 was the shit when it came out lol
2019-10-31 17:40
R8 could kill you with one body hit and its left click was 100% accurate while jumping before it was nerfed.
2019-10-31 18:57
Lol same gun for 15 years and now its overpowered... the price made it op or people was ignorant before ?
2019-10-31 17:40
#140
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World breezy0 
The gun is not the same as at the beginning + the price reduced Close your head m8
2019-10-31 17:41
lol its the same gun as before . this is the change they did in 2014. Only visual effect was changed. they lower the price but did not buff the gun. pro could have use the gun for soo long but they never did. February 20, 2014 [AUG and SG553] Scope dot no longer fades too quickly during online play. Scope dot is slightly more visible against bright backgrounds. Scope dot is now tinted using the player’s crosshair color settings.
2019-10-31 22:23
it was buffed in 2012 when csgo was made sg552 in cs 1.6 - css shot slower and couldn't one tap so the real period is 6 years but still, the point stands
2019-11-02 18:26
15 years xD
2019-10-31 18:31
hypocritical moron valve reduces price slightly, half of the pros start getting it, its literally almost the same as an AK, meanwhile we had R8, cz, 150ups awp, etc. its not even something everyone uses fucking dumb piece of shit
2019-10-31 17:43
#147
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World breezy0 
It's a lowskill gun and every one knows
2019-10-31 17:46
im not arguing otherwise, but saying it is "the most overpowered gun in the history of whole cs" is RIDICULOUSLY overreacting
2019-10-31 17:47
#152
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World breezy0 
Yeah i think they are just annoyed because they get out-aimed by people who are actually worse if it wasn't for a gun which dumbs the game down
2019-10-31 17:57
#178
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Myanmar aligholiz77 
Astralis only weak map was cache valve removed it and they used the smoke bug for years which lead to 3 majors but this shitter complains about Krieg lmao.
2019-10-31 18:23
#150
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Brazil gtaube 
agreed
2019-10-31 17:50
lmao gun been the same for 20 years and not one pro noticed that the gun that was only 50$ more expensive than ak and 100% economically viable to buy every round lmao unlike me with 1000 frag movies of sick krieg frags from all my games because i am 200iq and used it forever
2019-10-31 17:58
+1
2019-10-31 19:22
#155
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Hong Kong Joseph_Tin 
Welcome to China my dear dupreeh:>
2019-10-31 17:58
I love how everyone ignores it’s been like this since the game was 1st out just it was $300 more expensive
2019-10-31 18:02
Translation: Cry cry cry cause this meta makes it harder for us. Seriously, calling the SG the most OP gun is a joke. The old Aug and the first CZ (500$ handrifle with quick switch) were way more OP than the Krieg. Jeez, what a joke.
2019-10-31 18:02
Yeah you know more than 4x major winner you fucking retard shut the fuck up
2019-10-31 18:46
gold novas knew that the UMP was legit literal years before pros figured it out (same with the krieg and aug) so you're actually full of shit, dickrider
2019-10-31 18:53
Yeah bro gold novas know more than pros who practice 8hr a day. You are legit braindead
2019-10-31 18:56
I'm not asserting that gold novas know more than pros you fucking mongoloid. You understand that teenaged career gamers aren't omniscient and infallible, right? It's possible for some of the most mediocre people to know things of which even luminaries are unaware
2019-10-31 18:58
Ok retard keep getting your opinions from amateurs and ignore the opinions of a pro. That will get you far in life.
2019-10-31 19:00
nice appeal to 'authority'. Audit a logic class at your local nightschool when finishing your GED, you ignorant prole
2019-10-31 19:02
I graduated already and have a good job in my field. So go fuck yourself and stop projecting your insecurities on others online. You fucking loser lol
2019-10-31 19:02
don't need to project shit, your shortcomings are plain as day. I feel sorry for whoever gets stuck working the deep fryer with you
2019-10-31 19:04
Yeah I flip burgers for a living how did you know? Your fat mother told you? She is a great client comes here every day that disgusting obese cunt with her black boyfriend
2019-10-31 19:06
my guy she died of the clap u need to get u and ur dog checked ASAP
2019-10-31 19:06
xD
2019-10-31 19:09
there are multiple stories from starcraft 2, where a diamond level player came up with a strategy that actually changed the meta at pro level
2019-10-31 19:28
Stopped reading at Starcraft
2019-10-31 19:29
its a more competitive game than this cheat infested shitshow
2019-10-31 19:32
in starcraft it doesnt take pros 5 years to learn how to use a new unit lmao that shit happened in 1998, not anymore today. its a professional scene
2019-10-31 19:33
Stopped reading at starcraft again
2019-10-31 20:26
dumbass
2019-10-31 20:46
4x major champions who never used a op gun that was on the game all this time xdddd
2019-10-31 19:30
believe it or not CZ used to cost 300 dollars, had instant drawspeed, 1 shotted from pretty far away, was more accurate, and had 300 kill reward
2019-10-31 18:55
You're right I recall now. Jeez that thing was soooo extremely op. 300$ mini m4
2019-10-31 19:24
#161
flusha | 
Other awzaq 
People should take pro players opinion on balancing with a grain of salt. they may be good at the game but that doesn't mean the are good at balancing a meta
2019-10-31 18:02
plus they always have an angle where they want the things they suck at nerfed and things they are good at buffed so they will win more
2019-10-31 19:23
no crieg will be boring to watch just +200$
2019-10-31 18:05
tl:dr
2019-10-31 18:07
Why are so many people saying that the gun hasn't changed since 2014? it was reduced in price from 3300 to 2750 in 2018. that is a HUGE change in price and it is a problem. Stop the bullshit about how they just don't want to adapt you are talking about players with more skill than you will ever achieve. The gun was mocked as a COD gun for a reason, it makes long range duels WAY Easier. It used to be a thing of great skill to get a long range rifle kill because it took a lot more dext to aim so precisely the scope makes this drastically easier. Not only is it replacing the AK because it is so damn cheap but it can also compete in game with an AWP. Each bullet does a shit ton of a damage and makes it way easier to hold corners and just spam. Gun needs a nerf it doesn't even make practical sense how it is so cheap when it is such a huge and sophisticated weapon. It should be returned to its old price of 3300.
2019-10-31 18:08
+1 your like the only few with the right idea and mind
2019-10-31 18:30
krieg hasn't been 3300 since 2012. It was changed to 3000 long ago even before getting its current damage / recoil / rate of fire / scope rework (this all happened back in 2014 or 2015). Gun has dropped in price by 250 bucks over the last five years. I still agree with you about everything else, though. AUG should get one of its nerfs reverted (probably accuracy) and go back to 3500 (its price from launch and 1.6)
2019-10-31 18:52
the sg's current damage / recoil / rate of fire / scope was in place since 2012, the 2014 change was a revert (it was buffed drasticly for AUG week)
2019-11-02 18:31
that isn't true. AUG / Krieg went unchanged from late 2014 (their damage, armour pen, range falloff, and cost were retooled to the pre AUG nerf values) alongside the scope rework that gave them the "COD" effect. You're thinking of the AUGpocalypse, which was before the scope rework (back when scoping worked the same way as it did in 1.6 / source where you retained your old crosshair and there was no depth-of-field effect). This happened in late 2013 or early 2014, around when EMS Katowice qualifiers were being held. There was a pretty infamous de_nuke game between PartyAstronauts (a bunch of norweigans) and whatever team Delpan was on that happened at this time & was dictated by the AUG hltv.org/matches/2285388/sk-vs-partyastr.. you can probably find a VOD of it somewhere
2019-11-02 19:07
#200
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World breezy0 
Exactly +1
2019-10-31 18:56
if it was changed back to 3000 or 3300 now everyone would still cry, look what happened with aug
2019-10-31 19:24
i agree. equalize damage with aug
2019-10-31 18:11
I don't think they should totally make it unplayable or what the fuck is the point in having these guns as an option just make it AK vs M4. It might finally make T side Train fuck to watch instead of 12-3 13-2 stomps
2019-10-31 18:15
#207
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World breezy0 
M4 vs AK meta is alot better than the bullshit we have right now because it actually takes some skill to play these guns If they want something different than AK vs M4 meta they should do some proper gun design, not CoD easy to play guns
2019-10-31 18:59
why do so many ppl in this community believe, that a gun that is LESS accurate and therefore requires you to always spray and pray that you get lucky and hit the head first, is MORE skilled, than a more accurate rifle, with which the player who clicks on the head first will always win. its literally the opposite.
2019-10-31 19:25
#272
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World breezy0 
It's more about the overall design of the gun. You are right first shot accuracy is good but easy spray pattern and the CoD scope is just too much... It makes challenging awps too easy If AK had first shot accuracy like this gun all would be fine
2019-10-31 19:56
idk i feel like awpers just need to accept you cant simply crouch peek into an sg player at long range, and hope he will miss the first shot, like they can often do against aks. the advantage is still for the defending awper who has the defenders advantage, usually has a better angle, and can kill with 1 shot to the body. you just cant yolo it as much.
2019-10-31 19:57
ak first bullet should be at least accurate to 40 or 50m to make it a playable gun for me
2019-10-31 19:58
#171
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Turkey berkovic 
+1
2019-10-31 18:17
#173
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Myanmar aligholiz77 
The R8: Says hi. And no the SG isn't the most op gun dupreeh you fcking shitter.
2019-10-31 18:19
He is right! SG ruined the game
2019-10-31 18:21
#177
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Sweden Lagge15 
The gun hasn't been updated since 2014. How is it the most overpowers gun in the history of tge game when people didn't use it before? I don't get the whole sg553 meta uprise. Why wasn't this a thing back in the day? The financial aspect isn't enough for this enormous meta change
2019-10-31 18:22
basically, whoever used aug/sg got called "noob" and/or "bot" in previous cs versions (1.6 source, etc,), and since almost all pros came from said previous cs versions, so they carried this mentality with them. most new players just copied pros and parroted their biases and pros looked at the masses copying them as a form of self-confirmation. essentially, the pros trapped themselves in a box and completely overlooked the poor guns. really, this is just a classic example of confirmation bias at work.
2019-11-02 18:39
#376
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yeah, but why tge current hate just because of economics changes?
2019-11-02 22:10
#181
CeRq | 
Bulgaria Ramky 
most overpowered gun are your hacks mr.dupreeh we all remembered your 180 ''spot'' on nuke a few months ago have a good night!
2019-10-31 18:27
man with astralis i cant even remember individual accidents, they just happen constantly. if you want a laugh, watch navi vs heroic game from last week, on train. everyone locking on everyone every round through the walls.
2019-10-31 19:29
#339
CeRq | 
Bulgaria Ramky 
yeah will have some laugh today at night ty for intel!
2019-11-01 06:58
also this one was funny twitch.tv/videos/500823006?t=04h11m45s aiming at his teammates heads first through the wall and then lock on into smoke lol nice try
2019-10-31 19:30
Most OP gun in the game has always been and continues to be the AWP. Nerfing the SG will only make it not being used, like the Aug has become. Do that you and you might as well make it not available. Like the machinegun and the revolver, they'd just become novelty items used when trolling, not serious guns that can do anything. If you're going to do that why not just limit guns to one pistol upgrade, one smg a side, one rifle a side, and a scout? If you're worried about the SG, then the Aug should be un-nerfed and either make the machinegun viable on some level or get rid of it. Remove the AWP. Balancing can be done with guns without complete nerfs. Dupree is complaining because he wants it nerfed so that Astralis can regain dominance on the T sides. Right now, the effectiveness of the SG helps keep some of that in check.
2019-10-31 18:41
CZ, tec9, and five seven were all worse for the game than the krieg. CZ I'm not gonna bother getting into but tec9 eco rushes were too easy and wideswinging with a five seven you wouldn't even need to aim, just spam mouse 1 and you were bound to get a headshot or two. Pistols really used to be fucking AIDS. I'm so glad we're back to a reasonable p250 and skilled Deco rounds
2019-10-31 18:48
Just increase its price, also bring back good Aug, just raise the price.
2019-10-31 18:55
#198
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Finland ZesseX 
I think everyone is forgetting the R8
2019-10-31 18:55
Gun is the same since it was introduced in the game, only few changes in the price. Dupree: "I think the SG is the most overpowered gun in the history of the game" He found the oil now boys. Lmao
2019-10-31 18:56
ignorant as fuck , anything of significance hasn't been changed in krieg since inception of csgo . it's underpriced, not overpowered. hating krieg is hype these days. bump price to like 3k$ and we have a middleground
2019-10-31 18:58
#211
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World breezy0 
It's underpriced and overpowered, just another easy to play gun. Bad game design for a so called competitive shooter overall
2019-10-31 19:01
how is having accurate guns bad for a competitive shooter lol
2019-10-31 19:32
#273
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World breezy0 
Accurate guns =/= easy to play guns
2019-10-31 19:56
so if it was semi auto or had more recoil per bullet fired it would be okay?
2019-10-31 19:59
#293
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World breezy0 
Dont know if it was okay, probably not but still some improvement. There is no formula per se but things you mentioned are not bad
2019-10-31 20:35
He was asked, should he not have answered. Seems to me you over blowing the answers given, beside I am pretty sure Peter is more qualified to speak on the gun and its impact than you and most others here.
2019-10-31 19:26
na he just salty EG stole nr1 spot with kriegs
2019-11-01 15:14
Maybe, but if that is why EG won then it clearly shows the Kriegs are massively in need of fixing.
2019-11-01 16:17
They need to improve m4 or nerf krieg..... I agree with Dupreeh To watch profissional game at the moment is boring.... 5kriegs at TR
2019-10-31 18:58
that weapon is in csgo since the begining and nobody was complaining but when ppl start to use now every pro player is crying like a kid, fuck that, they only get mad beeing killed by sg when only the other team has it, but the moment theyselfs pick up a sg from the ground...
2019-10-31 19:02
#229
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South Africa nimmaJ 
It wasnt 2750 since the beginning. Economy is a huge part of CS
2019-10-31 19:12
increase the price to 3100 like the m4
2019-10-31 22:49
#334
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Right... if a gun costs 350 less than it should I think we can both agree it's a bit too strong and even 3100 is low. Should be 3300
2019-11-01 01:03
#220
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Hong Kong TROIIDA 
i wouldn't trust a guy with that hair
2019-10-31 19:06
#236
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Poland kaspr02 
AUG? REVOLVER? stfu dupreeh u danish cuck
2019-10-31 19:20
hasnt the krieg always been the same since 2012? think people who get owned just dont want to adapt or learn to use it
2019-10-31 19:23
i suspect, they are washed up and want their RNG spray and pray meta back where they can stand a chance with worse tiny aim adjustments so they dont have to aimbot for every kill or they just dont like losing vs aimbotting onliners wo use it every round
2019-10-31 19:52
It doesn't matter, was the same with the aug it's just that now that everyone use it the game is changing too much and its pretty ugly to see, especially when you have a ct with the krieg, its even more broken than the aug even a sniper can't win his dual against it while knowing the position the guy is camping on
2019-11-01 17:03
well make it a bit more expensive then, but please dont change the gun, its fine
2019-11-07 18:35
Dupreeh <3
2019-10-31 19:25
#253
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Brazil Projectrv 
the people used to ask for changes on cs but when a gun appear that change roles of the game then cry comes out to get back the old one. Cs is actually boring with some people.
2019-10-31 19:27
#265
tiziaN | 
Germany FREIER 
This happens only because cs players 99,999% just copy the "current meta" and do not use their own brains.
2019-10-31 19:37
#267
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Denmark U w0t m8? 
He obviously doesn't remember the 800$ awp
2019-10-31 19:38
#270
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Denmark CloudEr 
I love sg, but he's absolutely right !
2019-10-31 19:53
#284
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France StickyRice 
"and we know that at least 99% of the people coming here are going to support us, so there is a huge thing going on for us." I guess Copenhagen has fans of North, Heroic or Tricked and some of them are not necessarly gonna be rooting for Astralis even against foreign teams though.
2019-10-31 20:09
lol, why would a danish fan even support trash teams like heroic or north when he has astralis who are very professional/ good people and dominate the game since forever now?
2019-11-01 17:01
#404
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Denmark Zaerdna 
I was in the Arena, and I can definitely tell you that 99% is a correct number when adressing how many Astralis fans there actually were.
2019-11-07 14:04
#405
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France StickyRice 
Congrats to Astralis then for federating the whole danish scene behind them because of their gigantic success over the years.
2019-11-07 14:05
#286
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France StickyRice 
What about some 2100$ FAMAS, 2900$ m4s and 3000$ SG ?
2019-10-31 20:11
>most overpowered gun in history of cs >been unchanged (apart from price lowered by 250$) for years
2019-10-31 20:22
no one bothered since it had the stigma of the 'cod gun'
2019-10-31 21:49
#331
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Guatemala Pakal_I 
I don't think pro players are that pedantic
2019-11-01 00:20
True
2019-11-01 00:36
#298
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Denmark Quientus 
Both sides get a chance to play terrorist side, yes ? - So what is The problem ? LOL /sarcasm *off*
2019-10-31 20:54
someone with a brain at last
2019-10-31 21:48
#313
i am | 
Brazil |LUCAS1| 
look at his face lol
2019-10-31 21:50
SG in csgo since February 20, 2014 and now u know its op? :d:D:D:D:Dd Pro players are so stupid. btw i used sg allways since i started play its a good fun.
2019-10-31 22:15
^ Although SG used to cost more, no?
2019-11-02 15:05
aug's price was reverted and people still cried so probabally ganna be the same for the sg
2019-11-02 18:49
if u won round u still have money to buy sg no matter what.
2019-11-03 03:19
Dupreeh forgot Tec-9 era? xD
2019-10-31 22:53
#332
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Australia Raychippy 
+1
2019-11-01 00:24
#358
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France StickyRice 
24 bullets in magazine, 144 total for a 500$ gun that had some powerful bullets (unlike Bizon) lul Valve IQ
2019-11-01 18:49
Astralis dont like it. Count down to nerf...
2019-10-31 23:35
Im here to learn face expression
2019-10-31 23:42
#335
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Argentina Ra88it 
thanks, now we will have rats playing with this and saying of excuse "the professionals use it" Sg>bots
2019-11-01 01:49
#336
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Brazil underzero 
FURIA knew it first
2019-11-01 02:15
Fully agree they should raise the price on the sg and after this lower the price of the auto snipers to 2,000$ so we can have an auto sniper meta.
2019-11-01 02:32
#359
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France StickyRice 
2000$ auto snipe too much 1750$ (Scout price + one decoy) auto sniper
2019-11-01 18:50
this is coming from the person who abused the radar smoke glitch cry us a river
2019-11-01 09:34
#342
ropz | 
Netherlands Sky3rr 
Stop complaining, start saving strats again.
2019-11-01 09:35
#345
shox | 
India iejesus 
Spot on
2019-11-01 13:06
#346
JaCkz | 
France Asviix 
Bring the price to 3000+$ and we're set
2019-11-01 13:52
Dupreeh looks like Bilbo Baggins
2019-11-01 14:35
#349
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Norway JorgyZ 
He's going on an adventure to nerf krieg
2019-11-01 15:14
NICE EXCUSE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2019-11-01 21:45
Hmm, I think there are bigger issues now than the SG....
2019-11-01 22:31
yes we are favourites..... 0:2 LOL
2019-11-01 23:04
People seem to have forgotten the Rec9 back in the days.. :)
2019-11-02 08:37
#366
zonic | 
Poland Lookr 
Cry more. The fact that he can't play with the SG doesn't mean it is overpowered. It has it's specific recoil, and it's not easy to spray an enemy without zooming. So, dupreeh, instead crying to the media, go on the dm server and practice it.
2019-11-02 13:39
there are enough pro's who play SG and show that its stupidly broken, so why still ignore it. It feels like some people wants to remove every gun except old op AUG and op SG and call the game CoD:GO
2019-11-04 21:51
When the AUG was good, they cried about CTs holding angles. Now they cry about CTs getting a Krieg and holding angles. Unbelievable.
2019-11-02 15:03
i think as a gun its not that overpowered but it could be a little bit more expensive
2019-11-02 18:29
oneshotting, fire rate of an smg, ability to zoom in. Not op Kappa
2019-11-04 21:49
"fire rate of an smg" better check ur facts mohammed
2019-11-04 22:18
i dont think the ump is much faster
2019-11-04 22:59
#379
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Ukraine CISanimal 
cool gun, free cunt detector.
2019-11-03 16:00
Are you favorites to win this event? I think so. Without being biased, I think we are the favorites here. I mean we have Liquid coming in, and they have been looking a bit shaky as well; then you have Na'Vi at the same time, they have been looking really up-and-down as well HAHAHA
2019-11-04 07:04
#393
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Peru AgentLF 
Lmao, gun was like that for 7 years
2019-11-05 21:49
Aug > Sg
2019-11-06 09:29
#397
suNny | 
Finland s0nnny 
Its same for everyone. Learn to use it fuck sake
2019-11-06 09:58
ugh
2019-11-06 12:22
Yep, sg is really an imba
2019-11-06 16:15
#401
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Greece her-1g 
they can make the AK first bullet accuracy like 1.6 problem solved
2019-11-07 12:41
Absolutely right! This gun is bringing low level players to look good when it comes to aim skill. In fact, I'm convinced that only n00bs on this game can love/use that gun....which is quite alright, except if you look for excellence and pure raw skill!
2019-11-07 12:50
Who the fuck cares about his words, bot.
2019-11-09 13:17
#421
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
nt dead scene
2019-11-14 10:37
#414
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Germany Captayn 
*laughs in first day Revolvo*
2019-11-09 19:09
TALK TO MY R8
2019-11-10 09:58
this gun is good. crymore.
2019-11-11 15:44
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