apEX: "Counter-Strike has become really random because of the Krieg, that's why the scene is so inconsistent"

Dan "apEX" Madesclaire took some time to chat with us after Vitality's defeat at the hands of 100 Thieves in the IEM Beijing semi-finals, which ended the French team's run at the tournament in China.

Vitality's run at IEM Beijing came to an end on Saturday after their semi-final loss to 100 Thieves on Mathieu "ZywOo" Herbaut's 19th birthday. To reach the playoffs, the Frenchmen had to beat TYLOO and FaZe in the group stage, the latter of whom they will meet again in the second stage of the ESL Pro League.

apEX believes the Krieg has made Counter-Strike more about skill than teamplay

Communication struggles plagued Vitality on Nuke, where they were unable to close out the map on the CT side late in the map, letting the series slip away as a stellar performance by Justin "jks" Savage on Inferno, the series' decider map, shut the French team down. After sharing his thoughts about the match and Vitality's present affairs, apEX went on to criticize the SG 553 for making the current meta too skill-driven and not tactical enough.

You picked Nuke as your map against 100 Thieves. You had played well against FaZe on it and you had looked convincing on it, but you were unable to close it out on the CT side today...

Yeah, we started on the T side, which is a pretty strong side for us. We won 8-7, which is a pretty good attacking side on Nuke and then we won the pistol, but we lost against Kriegs in the second round, which is basic. We struggled on the CT side mainly because of communication. We had really bad communication and our coach couldn't be here today, unfortunately, because he's really sick. He has been a huge part of our results for the last six months, so it wasn't easy to play without him giving us more energy or calming us when we needed, etc. We struggled in terms of communication and that's why we lost that map. We lost some pretty bad rounds on the CT side, the first one was a 5vs3 on lower when they went down vent and we tried to retake, but it went really badly because of poor communication. We had the chance to win the whole series on the map, we were up 13-12, but in the end they just played better.

Talking to ALEX yesterday, he said you were quite confident on Inferno and ready to take on anybody... Was this just an amazing display by jks that stopped you or is there more to it?

Our Inferno is pretty good. Except for today, I guess, but it can happen. Our biggest problem, mainly on T-side, is that we don't have enough practice to be good on most of the aspects of the map yet. Our T-side is a bit shaky because we don't have the right things to do, although obviously they played super well and wrecked us on the CT side. Mainly jks, as you said, but we just didn't play well at all. We lost some crucial rounds, and some pretty bad rounds, and as I said we're just not prepared yet.

We've been with shox for a couple of months, but only had like ten days of practice overall. We hadn't planned on making any changes after the player break, so we scheduled all of our LANs out until the end of the season. We're trying to play as well as possible without much practice, but sometimes we kind of feel like a mix, like in an FPL game, because we don't have all of the things ready for shox. We changed a lot of positions, and it's a new position for him, so he needs some time, but we'll become more consistent and better, I'm pretty sure of that.

You mentioned missing XTQZZZ, and you said he's been important during the past half year. Can you explain why he has been so important, and why it was hard to play without him today?

The first thing is that he is impactful on the tactical side. He prepares the games really well, so we know what to do against the teams we play and we're ready for everything. He tried to prepare as much as possible for today, but it wasn't easy for him because he was pretty sick and he wasn't 100% focused. Also, when he's behind us, he keeps us calm in important situations or brings us more energy when we need it, giving fist bumps, motivating us... He's a big part of everything, also our overall game plan. So yeah, we missed him a lot and tried to win for him. It was really good on Mirage and on the T side of Nuke, but then we just fell apart and they played better than us.

You planned the whole season out because you didn't think you'd make a change, but will you be able to make some time to practice soon?

We have the second phase of ESL Pro League in less than a week, so we won't have much time between here and there, but after that, if we qualify for the finals we'll have two weeks to prepare, and then we have one week for EPICENTER. That'll be great, and even if we don't qualify for the Pro League finals then we'll have a longer preparation for EPICENTER, which I'm not going to lie is needed right now. We prepared before Malmö, but then we had to do visa stuff to play in Beijing because now you need to get fingerprints scanned and we all had to go get those done, so we just prepared individually. Before that, it was Turkey and EPL, so not much time to practice. Now that we'll have time, I hope it will get better.

Have you talked about goals and where you want the team to be when the season ends?

We don't exactly know, but we know that if we play good CS, we'll go really far in tournaments. That's what always happens with us, and that's our main goal, to play well. It's hard to focus on CS lately, though, because for me, it has become really random because of the Kriegs. That's why the scene is really inconsistent lately, any team can win and then lose in the group stage, like EG. It's because of the Kriegs, because CS has become way less tactical game and much more skill-based. It's tough for us because most of us aren't really good with the Krieg, and I'll mention shox and myself. We didn't adapt to the weapon fast enough and people are way too strong with it compared to the both of us, so it's not easy for us to play CS now.

I think if the Krieg gets nerfed CS will become more tactical again and we'll get more teams that can go on to win three or four events in a row like Astralis did. For me, CS needs to be tactical and teamplay-based, that's when CS is the most beautiful, because of the work ethic and stuff like that, not just skill-based. I hope we'll go as far as possible in the next events, but I can't say exactly how far because of this.

France Mathieu 'ZywOo' Herbaut
Mathieu 'ZywOo' Herbaut
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.30
Maps played:
541
KPR:
0.87
DPR:
0.62
APR:
0.13
Australia Justin 'jks' Savage
Justin 'jks' Savage
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
848
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.13
France Dan 'apEX' Madesclaire
Dan 'apEX' Madesclaire
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
1528
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.70
APR:
0.16
#1
kNgV- | 
South America GrilO_O 
Yep, random...
2019-11-09 20:16
2019-11-09 20:30
The inconsistency has nothing to do with the krieg, but nt apex
2019-11-09 20:47
#132
NiKo | 
Finland FocusMen 
It actually does if u think about it It makes the game more skill based and its harder to be consistant skill wise than tactical wise
2019-11-09 21:56
#199
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
+1 player's individual form fluctuates from day to day. Not only your aim and movement but your reads, timings and flow of the game fluctuate too. Thats the random factor.
2019-11-10 04:19
#237
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United States BGS 
Correct but the Krieg is so good that it can minimize your lack of aim that day.
2019-11-12 02:00
100%
2019-11-10 11:00
ye like putting a guy on ct side in garage nuke with an awp. before the krieg meta the T's had to use walls of smokes and utility to get past one single guy, now you can comfortably peek him and trade if anything because of how powerful the scoped krieg is
2019-11-09 21:58
lmao one round vitality dropped kreig to CTs and azr absolutely rekt them. Because of the scope, he had better visibility. Seriously thats what can happen with a kreig in CT hands. Btw kreig meta has made cs boring. People aren't working on different strategies to get more rounds on T side but are literally depending on kreig to get 6-7 and think thats enough.
2019-11-10 04:50
What I love the most in professional csgo is seeing a smart, well executed and innovative T side strategy. Right now it's just a pug fest and it's the only reason EG are (I despise saying this) the number one team on HLTV.
2019-11-10 05:34
yep bro I feel the same in counter strike. Bro EU was always head and shoulders above NA because of tactical T-side. Even French T sides were more tactical than NA T sides. I hate current meta. Just nerf the gun ffs..
2019-11-10 08:19
True
2019-11-09 20:16
#3
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Czech Republic Noxar 
Blame the Krieg KEK Pros don't want to learn new guns, they want the 20 years old meta, boring.
2019-11-09 20:17
#27
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Finland Cucumberous 
+1
2019-11-09 20:23
+2 I've lost because of krieg ewwwwew Stfu and learn new things League and dota players always learn new things whenever the game has totally changed. Young players tend to adapt well with krieg. Only old players complaining on krieg. Because they dont want to learn.
2019-11-10 05:33
#210
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
well the reason being that valve doesnt want to give a fixed timeline for these updates... i personally love scoped rifles but dont know how long can i use them b4 valve nerfs them. When aug got nerfed, i thought sg nerf is coming very soon... but it didn't. Even if valve gives us a fixed date or timeline or a confirmation that these guns wont be nerfed, almost all the pros will learn them, but how the hell will it help if it gets nerfed as soon as they learn its different recoil pattern? Thats why they learned and adopted aug quickly and dont wanna learn sg.
2019-11-10 06:58
It's not about learning. It's because Kreig meta is trash tier CS. If i wanted to watch autoscope battle i would watch COD
2019-11-10 13:57
#226
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Finland Cucumberous 
Well i heard Tenz complaining a lot about the krieg but he's just playing against bots
2019-11-10 17:19
#40
NiKo | 
Israel soez4niko 
Child
2019-11-09 20:30
+1
2019-11-09 20:31
#53
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Denmark Notallama 
New meta can be good, Call of Duty meta is just bad.
2019-11-09 20:37
You rather have famas/galil meta?
2019-11-09 20:59
#85
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France Kurin 
Yes
2019-11-09 21:03
#90
Sakura | 
Japan Ron1E 
Bizon meta
2019-11-09 21:08
pee pee meta
2019-11-09 22:23
I missed the old days where they would play around and troll
2019-11-10 01:18
#231
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France LeDiplomate 
Nova meta bestest mens))
2019-11-11 07:50
#117
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Denmark Notallama 
Actually, yes. I don't think famas/galil should be a better solution to use than m4/ak, but I definitely wouldn't mind them getting a buff.. especially the famas burst.
2019-11-09 21:42
#233
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Serbia luc1ferms 
agree with u, famas burst in 1.6 was so strong, in csgo u cant kill single enemy with him :D
2019-11-11 22:14
#234
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Denmark Notallama 
Yeah, famas burst was one of my favorite things in the later of stages of 1.6. Don't know why the pros didn't use it more than they did, it was so completely overpowered to pick heads with
2019-11-11 23:15
#238
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Serbia luc1ferms 
youtube.com/watch?v=vFfH5FCMfSs on lan tournament 8 years ago when i 1st time saw Niko and later i played against him :) Famas burst power
2019-11-12 19:29
#110
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Greece NaviGuy 
+1
2019-11-09 21:28
Krieg has been as good since 2015? Stop bitching...
2019-11-09 20:37
+1
2019-11-09 20:59
"2014"
2019-11-09 21:44
not possible to reliably buy a kreig and have the proper utility and money balancing your team needs before the econ update and price cut. You guys are just 4iq and don't realize the chain of events that led to this meta
2019-11-09 21:51
Krieg was cheaper than m4s but somehow cts were able to have decent utility behind the guns
2019-11-09 22:01
omfg lol
2019-11-09 22:17
#173
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France Kurin 
I cant believe he is serious
2019-11-09 23:48
#218
allu | 
France TurTle_B 
I think that's the last time i read serious comments on HLTV lol. Good day boys
2019-11-10 09:34
#211
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
+1... that also included more costly incendiary too...
2019-11-10 07:01
They should put the Kreig back to its pre-meta price of 3000, then see how much it affects everything. I personally think the new economy system was what made the Krieg super-viable since it could be a 2nd round gun instead of the AK
2019-11-09 22:24
they tried it with the aug now that people know how much better the krieg is they will still buy it even if it has a higher price they need to nerf the rof,dmg or armor pen
2019-11-10 01:07
I'd probably say dmg in this case, remove the insta-hs ability to give the AWPer a slightly better chance against it. rof was one of the reasons it is a better choice than AK, while its always had a lower base dmg, the 100% armor pen makes it on par with AK for dmg in the end. So by keeping the gun's accuracy and rof as it is but removing it's insta-hs ability, it'll allow the AWP a better chance of repeeking instead of instantly dying
2019-11-10 02:40
id make it a bit less accurate another measure would be changing the spray pattern up so its harder at the start but easier in the middle/end
2019-11-10 02:43
I agree with the spray pattern part, but the middle/end is already fairly difficult to control Maybe they could do the same as the AUG and make it's unscoped accuracy worse, as the whole point of the gun is the scope
2019-11-10 11:06
#200
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
no one bought it when T's had 16k either.
2019-11-10 04:20
+1
2019-11-09 20:42
#74
fnx | 
Portugal lovessd 
krieg is pathetic & disgusting
2019-11-09 20:53
#91
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Sweden NIPTOP1ERA 
yea but who wants this boring COD meta?? the SG is like a spraying sniper
2019-11-09 21:09
+1
2019-11-09 21:25
#111
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Greece NaviGuy 
yes lets go with the cod meta kkkkkkkk
2019-11-09 21:29
-1
2019-11-09 23:51
Krieg is disgusting though, if you ever played the game yourself you would know. Anyone with a pair of arms can instakill with it. Totally narrowed the skillgap.
2019-11-10 00:32
krieg is super easy to master. Bots are closer to good players now. There is simply no skill gap between Twistzz and Golden. All the bots suddenly became relevant. That is the main problem. Noobs like daps/golden/azr will never be able to win a gunfight against more skilled players with ak. But krieg allows that shit. That is why it should be fixed.
2019-11-10 01:16
#186
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Indonesia lumayan 
U sure havent watch fnatic lately huh? How golden have so many impact frags with AK? What a salty guy hahHhahaa, no knowledge but talkin like you know everything
2019-11-10 02:15
I have 2600hours in the game. Im playing since beta. I own the game since 2013. I wach cs go since the end of 2013. I know everything about this game. Its fucking obvious, that bot players will not be that impactfull with ak. When I tried krieg first I was like... This shit is so easy to use. Everyone can easily spray with it and everyone can easily aim with it's scope.
2019-11-10 10:11
+1 nerf this shit already
2019-11-09 20:16
why is it random if everyone can use it to the same extend lol and csgo was never really tactical
2019-11-09 20:17
#13
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Czech Republic Noxar 
+1
2019-11-09 20:17
#42
Germany ayyy 
you are right but apex isnt playing on gold nova level like you so he is basically playing a different game
2019-11-09 20:30
Lol savage. How to dispute someone with great manner. Respect.
2019-11-09 21:19
#55
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Denmark Notallama 
"csgo was never really tactical" Insightful shower thoughts from the GN2 scene
2019-11-09 20:38
no, insightful shower thoughts from the time before CS:GO
2019-11-09 20:40
#72
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Denmark Notallama 
Yeah, because 1.6 wasn't a tactical either.. right? 😂😂😂😂😂
2019-11-09 20:51
Cs 1.6 had everything :)
2019-11-09 21:15
cs 1.6 was a lot more tactical, that's my point dumbo
2019-11-09 21:26
#116
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Denmark Notallama 
Your point is dumb then, both games have a high degree of tactical variation due to the importance of teamplay? dumbo
2019-11-09 21:38
Tactical gameplay has a lot less importance in CS:GO. Teamplay is just a part of tactical gameplay.
2019-11-09 21:51
#181
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Denmark Notallama 
It was true back in CSGO's first year and so, back when the game was broken as well... not even remotely close to the truth anymore.
2019-11-10 01:04
You do realize that the game's tactical focus has only gotten more advanced over the years, right? Minus the krieg fucking with the meta, we're seeing some of the most technical cs we've seen ever
2019-11-10 17:05
#160
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Sweden JorgenKlopp 
1.6 tactical? Hahah.. you could literally shoot through all walls and run and gun with deagle
2019-11-09 22:43
So what the fuck are you trying to say? The best teams in 1.5 & 1.6 were based on pure aim? Lak d0de, this has never been quake, so I cant agree with you right now
2019-11-09 20:53
my original point = csgo not that tactical followed up by: compared to cs 1.6
2019-11-09 21:27
#100
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Sweden LimeyGaming 
The game has always been tactical since the betas. Things changed and evolved over the years regarding guns, nade usage etc, but the tactical elements has always been a constant.
2019-11-09 21:18
#125
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Ethiopia BlackBird101 
reported i’m in this post and i don’t like it
2019-11-09 21:51
CSGO isn't tactical? Do you even play the game?
2019-11-09 21:47
bad wording followed up in #108
2019-11-09 21:51
1.6 wasn't that tactical at all. I'm not sure you played that either. There's a reason why NiP fell off hard after CSGO meta became heavily dependent on utility, and molotovs became crucial to holds on spots like B side inferno.
2019-11-09 22:35
Comparing a team playing two different games and concluding that 1.6 was tactical because after like 2 years they didn't dominate anymore. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof
2019-11-09 22:44
Says the guy that compared two different games and concluded that one is less tactical because...? oooooooooooooooooooooooo...f
2019-11-09 23:16
yes, because I argued that cs 1.6 was more tactical, dumbo, your comparison stinks of piss, lol
2019-11-09 23:57
it's actually good you just too thick-headed to realize. also cs 1.6 more tactical lul? it's not like pro scene is evolving or anything right...?
2019-11-10 01:04
#6
ZywOo | 
Belgium itachiico 
Bot doing interview
2019-11-09 20:17
#7
Lekr0 | 
Poland Brisu 
nah, it was random even before krieg meta
2019-11-09 20:16
#8
2019-11-09 20:17
#9
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Germany PeKay 
Apex is such a Bad player
2019-11-09 20:17
+1
2019-11-09 20:17
Said by danger zone global elite
2019-11-09 20:34
Blame it on the Krieg
2019-11-09 20:17
#15
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Czech Republic Noxar 
Can't beat an Aussie team? Never fear, blame it on the krieg!
2019-11-09 20:18
True
2019-11-09 21:09
#139
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Slovakia MirkeeS 
sg is so good, you have fast recoil, scope , easy spray to learn, first bullet to hs kill, how can ct's fight agains this when they have aug and old m4 it is unfair i think. Sg deserve nerf
2019-11-09 22:03
#31
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Germany bVicious 
+1
2019-11-09 20:26
Ahhhh, so THAT'S why the scene is so inconsistent. You hear that NiKO? You're getting a free pass for getting destroyed 32 - 2 because guess what, it's the Krieg's fault.
2019-11-09 20:17
#14
i am | 
Brazil |LUCAS1| 
HAHAHAHAHAHA CRY MORE WASHED UP BOT, ALWAYS CARRIED BY ZYWOO
2019-11-09 20:18
#32
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Germany bVicious 
+1
2019-11-09 20:26
nt , he was carried by KennyS in Envy , not ZyWoo
2019-11-09 20:44
True true, apex carried his entire career omegalul
2019-11-09 22:21
True
2019-11-09 21:09
yeah all teams in same position retard you just lose vs 1 krieg and 4 cz and p250 on nuke its your fault rubbish
2019-11-09 20:18
#17
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Spain akproxx 
Yeah that a nice excuse to be bad
2019-11-09 20:19
#33
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Germany bVicious 
True
2019-11-09 20:27
#18
k0nfig | 
Hungary kruam 
Astralis 15 0 on CT side
2019-11-09 20:21
That , AND dd2 is the most T sided map.
2019-11-09 21:01
But apex still think its krieg fault
2019-11-09 21:10
#19
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Finland rolezK1 
Vitality without Krieg LUL
2019-11-09 20:21
#20
vberg | 
North America Mang0 
Def an excuse since everyone could use it. Still it needs a nerf
2019-11-09 20:21
#29
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Poland Hell2k 
Lol it is not Since 2014 krieg is the same so why nerf
2019-11-09 20:23
#34
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Germany bVicious 
+1
2019-11-09 20:27
#46
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Canada LARRATT 
-1
2019-11-09 20:32
No it’s not
2019-11-09 20:36
No it was buffed twice, the fire rate buff and the scope change
2019-11-09 20:46
rate of fire and scope were changed back in 2014, so he's right
2019-11-09 22:31
#216
kennyS | 
Croatia franX^ 
Tf you on about krieg firerate was buffed in late 2018 and then the price buff
2019-11-10 09:18
fire rate hasn't been touched since 2014, retard
2019-11-10 21:30
It's crazy how so many of you have no idea wtf you're talking about on this forum. LOL
2019-11-09 21:52
#21
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Albania GreenDog 
C CR CRY CRY I CRY IS CRY IS F CRY IS FR CRY IS FRE CRY IS FREE CRY IS FRE CRY IS FR CRY IS F CRY IS CRY I CRY CR C
2019-11-09 20:21
#35
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Germany bVicious 
Haha +100
2019-11-09 20:27
#169
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Laos El_Cholo 
lol
2019-11-09 23:37
The Krieg is less random than the AK though
2019-11-09 20:21
#23
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United States jay_320 
I realize he's just expressing himself poorly but he wants the game to be less skill based? The whole problem with the Krieg is the spray is incredibly easy to learn and has a scope which makes it so that basically every player is a good rifler. This particularly hurts teams like Liquid actually who have no AWP in the first place and rely on great m4 players to have good CT sides. The Krieg is extremely difficult to go against with an M4. Bringing the AK back as the primary weapon increases the skill gap once again. But I think that's what he's trying to say anyway.
2019-11-09 20:21
yeah I guess he meant it like that and you are right, m4 vs krieg is aids. and potentially going for aim duells against awp with better chances than with an AK makes it even worse.
2019-11-09 21:10
#104
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Sweden LimeyGaming 
I think what he's trying to say is the way to approach the maps with utility and CT aggression is different if you're not going to be going against 4-5 scoped guns every round as a CT. You can gather intel more on the CT side with less risk, making you able to put your players in a better position and be able to recognize the patterns on where you need your utility in a more efficient manner. This provides a more "chess" approach to CS from both teams in the end. At least that's my take on what he's trying to say.
2019-11-09 21:26
#153
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United States jay_320 
Yeah. It does provide more of a chess approach with AKs. By increasing the skill gap needed to use T rifles effectively. I'm not trying to troll or bait you I'm just saying.
2019-11-09 22:29
Actually this, great "translation"!
2019-11-09 23:41
cry is free
2019-11-09 20:22
alex igl - uk cs lul rpk - 30yo apex - bottomfragger blame krieg crybaby
2019-11-09 20:22
#26
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Poland Hell2k 
I dont hear the same from zywoo lmao Boosted apex pls dont cry
2019-11-09 20:23
make AUG great again!
2019-11-09 20:23
BAN THE KRIEG! FIX CS!
2019-11-09 20:24
#36
s1 | 
Armenia gr1nch 
pros crying about krieg valve: seen.
2019-11-09 20:27
#37
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Israel BingoBango 
pros talking out of their ass as per usual
2019-11-09 20:29
So why Astralis is always good?
2019-11-09 20:29
No they aren't, every single team is being fucked by the krieg
2019-11-09 20:48
thats why they won 3 majors in a row before the krieg meta right?
2019-11-10 03:25
Yes BEFORE the Krieg meta. Right now they get destroyed by faze, nip, have close games with lower tier teams but also at the same time destroy other teams with a huge margin.
2019-11-10 04:37
#39
Edward | 
United States kUcheRR 
>apex >2020 lmao
2019-11-09 20:30
cry is free
2019-11-09 20:30
XD team vitality was abusing the AUG cry is free
2019-11-09 20:31
stfu ApEX you were shit even before the Krieg meta.
2019-11-09 20:32
sounds like complaining to me
2019-11-09 20:34
like apex said " we are very bad on inferno T-side, very bad on Nuke CT-side" ... wtf they have an IGL and a coach than? no practice? no ideas? no zywoo carrying? just disband
2019-11-09 20:34
#82
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France CocoBiceps 
No they had no coach I dont want To justify the inferno map because they just got destroy on it but the nuke game was Really a mental choke and with their coach behind the would have maybe not choked
2019-11-09 21:01
#86
Sakura | 
Japan Ron1E 
Who is that penguin behind them than?
2019-11-09 21:03
#96
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France CocoBiceps 
XTQZZZ was not behind them during the game against 100 thieves
2019-11-09 21:11
#99
Sakura | 
Japan Ron1E 
Oh ok,
2019-11-09 21:16
#51
Germany pmb  
the game was always random, stop sucking dick so much
2019-11-09 20:35
ok boomer
2019-11-09 20:39
#59
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
Talk more shit apex. More like a team has one or two good runs and then everyone then thinks that makes them top 3.
2019-11-09 20:43
Blame the krieg cuz u are carried every game by an 18 years old kid
2019-11-09 20:44
#130
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Ethiopia BlackBird101 
he’s 19 nt
2019-11-09 21:54
Same thing , he was bad and he is still bad
2019-11-09 21:59
Zywoo playing 1vs9 so no idea what u talking about
2019-11-09 20:44
#63
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United States Exodus^ 
The people in here are HMM a little blind XD
2019-11-09 20:45
apEX "TwoFaced" Toiletto
2019-11-09 20:46
Apex crying as usual lmao
2019-11-09 20:46
Everyone is crying about the krieg, those who win with it (elige, gla1ve) and those who don’t (apex). Valve will 100% surely nerf it soon
2019-11-09 20:48
indeed mr. madesclaire
2019-11-09 20:48
#71
flusha | 
United States ctb^_^ 
LOSER POV
2019-11-09 20:50
But the winners have the same opinion
2019-11-09 21:06
#75
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Norway beastin 
One team always win = bad Several teams could potentially win = bad I don't play anymore how bad is the Krieg fr?
2019-11-09 20:54
more overpowered than the old m4a1s but less overpowered than the old AWP
2019-11-09 22:32
#76
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Europe braxtey 
He is actually Right!
2019-11-09 20:58
Scene always was inconsistent tbh. Only consistent team over the years is Astralis/tsm/dignitas/cph Wolves (xyp, device, dupreeh core). It was always something OP in cs go (cz, tec9, jumping scouts, Aug, krieg)
2019-11-09 21:01
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk Cry is free CS is kinda random now because the gap between the top teams and the good teams has fallen Stop making excuses
2019-11-09 21:01
Nope...it's other teams failing to step up. It's been like this for a while. Astralis and Liquid the 2 best teams out there (1st and 2nd respectively). EG and Fnatic are next (I'd like to include vitality with these 2 but unless they become more consistent and show what they can do when zywoo has a bad game, they won't have a chance of breaking into top 3 or beating the good teams out there) Vitality, 100thieves Then the rest...
2019-11-09 21:02
#84
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Israel rvt1 
apEX says the true, but this is not all bad
2019-11-09 21:03
#88
who | 
Other Unterzee 
Kriegtality ApeX talking lul
2019-11-09 21:07
#89
Canada ssau 
I think cs 1.6 was a lot more like what apex wishes csgo was. You really didn’t have to be good enough to get a 1 tap usp ace to shine. Tactical positioning with no peakers advantage was awesome for people who were smart but not the aim skill of s1mple. I think the only thing that makes csgo kind of more strategical is the fact that there are like 1000 different sky smokes you can throw on every map.
2019-11-09 21:07
Agreed
2019-11-09 21:11
Astralis rape faze 32 to 2 its not inconsistent
2019-11-09 21:21
even though i hate apex and he is a shit player, he is right in this case. scopes for rifles ruin the balance.
2019-11-09 21:26
crying about a weapon? WTF HAHAHAHAHA
2019-11-09 21:26
tots agree
2019-11-09 21:26
#112
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France jok9rz 
I remember watching hours of demos and hours of practiccing stuffs and strats back on 1.6.... we never though any guns can fucked the game cause the main thing was to put something together, as a team. I understand his point of view. But i also remember try to do anything to get better than the other like mapbug, flash bug, etcetc... this shit weapon is one of this thing... use it to win till you can. And moove for another thing when it get nerfed. Sry apex, you just get rekt. Astralis is no1 since one year and half, no matter what is the meta. Just work harder.
2019-11-09 21:30
Cry is free
2019-11-09 21:30
He's probably right.
2019-11-09 21:32
ahha apex is noob
2019-11-09 21:33
Agree with his point about Krieg CS become more aim-duel based last couple of months than tactical-based cuz these Kriegs too powerful
2019-11-09 21:39
#119
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Brazil Karlogaria 
First win a single event before talking about winning 3 or 4 in a row. But Kriegs are really messing with CS right now, completely different game compared to what it used to be without it (even different of AUG CS). This weapon must be reworked ASAP
2019-11-09 21:40
so many mens here not read the interview
2019-11-09 21:43
"apEX went on to criticize the SG 553 for making the current meta too skill-driven and not tactical enough." That is prolly why he played cs shitource, cuz he sucked dick at 1.6 Also, apex said earlier why they missed their coach and then the interviewer goes and asks this: You mentioned missing XTQZZZ, and you said he's been important during the past half year. Can you explain why he has been so important, and why it was hard to play without him today
2019-11-09 21:54
#129
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Denmark Zorrondo 
BabyRage BabyRage BabyRage
2019-11-09 21:53
#131
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Sweden Akoulad 
It was pretty inconsistent even before AUG lmao
2019-11-09 21:55
#136
flusha | 
Other awzaq 
How the fuck can a weapon that is more accurate and had the same stats for like two years (save for the price) make the game more random?
2019-11-09 22:01
price decrease + new economy actually made a lot of difference. with krieg more accessible the skill gap is lowered, good aim doesn't really matter anymore with the scoped rifles and Ts can just keep buying them every round with max losing bonus
2019-11-09 22:15
#165
flusha | 
Other awzaq 
Good aim obviously still matters and it always will, the only real change is that the krieg is better than the AK at holding angles and long range engagements, and that's because it is more accurate (meaning it requires accurate aim)
2019-11-09 23:14
the difference a scope makes with long range duels and headshot angles is ridiculous. a player on A site on d2 can take out a pit player with ease with a krieg, you don't have to adjust your aim as much as when you're "zoomed out" with regular crosshair which is where the difference really shows between a player with great aim and a player with okay aim. it's not a coincidence that the emerge of the krieg/aug has allowed previously bad teams to make insane upsets and climb the rankings. many pros agrees with this, it's more random now since it's a crutch for players with bad aim. they can win duels where they'd normally get rekt in AK vs M4 or AK vs AK
2019-11-09 23:46
#187
flusha | 
Other awzaq 
Krieg is not a crutch for bad players but a way to ignore the limitations of the AK with it's slightly RNG accuracy and high FOV. You still have to aim and compensate for your reaction time by distancing your aim from the angle you are holding, trying to predict how the enemy player will peek or having superb tracking. And Upsets happen everytime, what you said is almost offensive and completely disregards how much those "bad" teams have evolved and how much big teams can get stuck in a confort zone.
2019-11-10 02:29
Nope, it's definitely a crutch. It removes a huge element of aiming which is knowing your crosshair, it makes bursting/spraying long distance much easier. It's not a coincidence that the scene has been in disarray since the changes to economy and the krieg/aug. Those bad teams didn't suddenly evolve, the game "evolved" to compensate for their comparatively bad mechanical skill
2019-11-10 12:53
#228
flusha | 
Other awzaq 
Not true at all, the biggest problem with most tier two teams that climbed up the ranking is related to strats, management, mindset and consistency, skillwise most of them are probably on par with top teams, that's why there isn't multiple levels of FPL, just one, and that's why top teams frequently sign players from lower tiers instead of just shuffling the same 60 or so players over and over again. Also there's no such thing as "suddenly evolve", most teams that you are calling bad showed signs of talent long before actually winning tournaments, with players frequently being considered by top 8 orgs
2019-11-10 23:35
I don't agree but I've already explained why so we're probably not getting any further
2019-11-10 23:50
Well adapt to it then. Either adapt or gtfo from the scene. Pick one kiddo 😉 Look other real proteams adapt to it. Astra 15-0 on ct side so yeh
2019-11-09 22:02
#138
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Poland LiquidWater 
silver ^^^^^^^^
2019-11-09 22:03
"We don't exactly know, but we know that if we play good CS, we'll go really far in tournaments. That's what always happens with us, and that's our main goal, to play well." I don't know if it's just his English, or if he's... not very smart and fluent in general. Like what the hell, of course you will go "really far in tournaments" if you play "good CS" - and of course that THAT is your goal :D
2019-11-09 22:05
WTF you get good results from playing well??? apEX 200 IQ
2019-11-09 22:16
make bizon great again
2019-11-09 22:08
#142
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Sweden flippig 
no its because you added shox, you had fine results with kriegs, in fact your best results ever with vitality.
2019-11-09 22:14
i literally clicked only on 4 or 5 highlight clips of the vitality vs 100 thieves game and every time i saw Apex getting killed because he was doing something stupid and now he says a gun is the reason .... wow
2019-11-09 22:15
He s too dumb to see that he needs to improve so he gets mald and find excuses
2019-11-10 03:26
#146
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North America fernando_123 
EXCUSES
2019-11-09 22:16
Cries lul
2019-11-10 03:25
ahahah whos talking , they were the one whos using the aug mostly hahahaha
2019-11-09 22:17
mad cuz rekt. apex is fucking autistic have u seen his streams LUL
2019-11-09 22:22
#157
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Czech Republic Hopkins74 
XD
2019-11-09 22:34
+1
2019-11-10 03:25
#156
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Czech Republic Hopkins74 
Cry more pls
2019-11-09 22:33
+1, so mald that zywoo cant carry his bot ass lmao
2019-11-10 03:25
Apex is really inconsistent because his "randomness" is actually retarded, i have no idea why he's in a tier 1 team
2019-11-09 22:37
#162
shox | 
India iejesus 
Rapexx
2019-11-09 22:45
#163
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Czech Republic TECHNICKER 
haha, nt noobpEx
2019-11-09 23:01
#164
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Brazil goatzera 
Cry is free
2019-11-09 23:11
#167
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Australia eClipz-AU 
This guy has a plethora of excuses as to why they lost. Coach, Krieg, Strats, Comms, it was never that they got outplayed by a better team on the day. Apex having a hard time admitting Jks put him on his knees. Ever since seeing this guy stream and wails as he carries on like a 12 year old made me think so little of him so I’m not entirely surprised by this pathetic interview.
2019-11-09 23:24
but he was shit even before krieg meta xD
2019-11-09 23:27
they should nerf it asap. it doesn't need to be big changes to it, but maybe make it semi automatic, just like twistzz suggested on twitter. or leave it as it is and higher the price to around 4000$. i don't think that's overpriced as it is still way better than the ak. and if that's not enough, they could additionally make changes to T economy and lower it slightly so it would be harder to gain that much money in a short period of time.
2019-11-09 23:46
#174
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Bulgaria Ju7y 
There is a reason why this game is T sided now. Legit almost every round is won on T side. The sg is op and the ct team can't play against it. The m4 is 3100 and the aug is 3300, even the aug can't compare to the power of the sg. It's hard to build economy on ct side. Especially when you're destroyed by a broken gun. I'm using it myself and i can tell it's overpowered.
2019-11-09 23:49
#177
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Sweden NeilCS 
NO KRIEG = MAKE SWEDISH CS GREAT AGAIN, DENMARK WILL BE RAPED
2019-11-09 23:59
Yes the Krieg meta is the reason apEX has been a bot his whole career
2019-11-10 00:22
+1
2019-11-10 03:24
nerf!!!!!
2019-11-10 00:32
Apex malding after getting wrekt, oh no no no
2019-11-10 03:24
If kraig gives randomness, It's better than one team winning every time
2019-11-10 03:44
#198
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Oceania Rusuli 
wrong the deag makes rounds random, the krieg is just like AK
2019-11-10 03:57
apEXCUSES
2019-11-10 04:31
Blaming it on the Krieg is getting really boring. And blaming it for the "the inconsistancy of cs" is just ... lets say its not true. "[...] but only had like ten days of practice overall." Really top5 with great staff cant schedule more training units? He must have some specific idea about what consists as a "training day". Either he is making excuses again, or they really have to class up their working-mentality.
2019-11-10 04:50
apEXCUSES LULW KRIEG IS THE MOST ACCURATE GUN IN THE GAME KEKW washed up baguette can’t use krieg and blames it on luck lol expected from country carried by 1 player. he’s so salty he got mauled by god jks and the boys. only thing this boy said that was right was krieg is op how can anyone like vitality apart from zywoo
2019-11-10 04:58
#208
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Iceland AnthoLeNain 
apEXCUSES
2019-11-10 05:46
Next tournament vitality shown they are average like g2. Best is they always decide to be average by kicking the player who keeps them on top level. Even zywoo played vs 100T like a bot.
2019-11-10 06:38
SO TRUE
2019-11-10 07:08
I feel there is something a little wrong about losing a T side pistol after a bomb plant to then buy weapons that make CT's guns look like jokes. Either make Krieg more expensive or Aug cheaper?
2019-11-10 08:31
#215
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Turkey berkovic 
+1
2019-11-10 08:33
Hes right this time, lot of teams who would not have been that strong are toe to toe with the best in my opinion. Krieg is fine, but simply needs to be more expensive, something between AK and AWP, suitable for some midrange positions, IF you can risk an investment. Not an overpowered alternative to AK.
2019-11-10 09:22
Just put it at 3100 again, or if it was 3150, don't remember
2019-11-10 12:56
3300
2019-11-11 23:17
"but we lost against Kriegs" Rofl...
2019-11-11 00:39
Nerf the Kreig already ???
2019-11-11 09:18
I Though it was Apex Legends Thread this is bait reported.
2019-11-11 23:16
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