ESL One Rio to feature player-selected seeding

The ESL One Rio Major will feature a seeding made by the participating teams, ESL's VP of Pro Gaming, Michal "Carmac" Blicharz, revealed on the HLTV Confirmed show.

The system will largely be the same as the one used for the previous Major hosted by ESL, IEM Katowice 2019, where ahead of the first two stages the participating teams themselves ranked their opponents from 1-15, which was then used to seed teams into the opening round of matches in the Swiss format.

In this system, the seeding of each team is adjusted after every round based on the opponent they faced and on the result, with teams who pulled off an upset gaining a significant portion of the difference between theirs and the opponent's seeding (and vice versa), for example.

ESL One Rio will be using a similar seeding system to IEM Katowice

One important change that will be introduced to the player-selected ranking at ESL One Rio is that, before the second stage, it will not be allowed to seed a team below one they outplaced in the first stage. As an example, a team that went 3-0 in the New Challengers Stage cannot be seeded below one who advanced with a 3-1 record. Any team coming from the New Challengers Stage will still be allowed to be placed above the Legends.

The news was revealed during the ninth episode of HLTV Confirmed, in which Carmac also discussed a plethora of other topics surrounding the recently-announced changes to ESL Pro League and Valve's plans to utilize two extra tournaments to find the eight Legends and eight Challengers invited to the 2020 Fall Major.

The full show can be viewed here (the VOD will soon also be available on YouTube and in audio on anchor.fm).

Thats really nice. But it doesn't matter because BIG will win the major anyway.
2020-02-03 23:06
25 replies
bro its 2020, big cant even win german only major
2020-02-03 23:07
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Italy ltaly
tabseN MVP
2020-02-03 23:09
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Argentina Sagon1
+1 they wasted Berlin opportunity
2020-02-03 23:32
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Ivory Coast tyndlort
My friend, Big is actually playing very good with new lineup. Nice to see.
2020-02-03 23:33
4 replies
Still not as good as they once were
2020-02-04 06:44
3 replies
they are individually probably at their best sure we have not seen them against t1 teams yet but i think this roster will be their most successful one
2020-02-04 08:20
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Ivory Coast tyndlort
i actually think that with this lineup the can be better than they ever was (my opinion tho)
2020-02-04 18:07
You're getting on the hype train too early my friend
2020-02-04 21:57
ENCE TALKING KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
2020-02-03 23:34
1 reply
the current ence is dogshit, and they would still 2-0 big (joke).
2020-02-04 10:37
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Europe TecN
It'll be BIG! A BIG disappointment to you
2020-02-03 23:10
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Sweden quacke
BIG won't even qualify, they'll need to beat either Fnatic or NiP as well as the others
2020-02-03 23:32
4 replies
in my opinion the only team that big is going to have a hard time beating at the minor is fnatic all other teams are below big in form
2020-02-03 23:35
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Sweden quacke
We've only really seen BIG in action at one tournament, and an open qualifier where they were expected to pass. Unless Fnatic have gone completely soft during the player break they won't beat them, but they also need to beat NiP, who just underwent a pretty major roster change and need to readjust. Once they do, though, they might be strong, we'll see, nawwk is looking pretty promising. They also need to beat Dignitas, who seemed very strong in their very first outing and will likely get even stronger. On top of them there's also GODSENT and OG, both of which beat ENCE in ICE Challenge (yes, ENCE is trash, but they are tough regardless). As well as them, there's also Heroic and MAD Lions, both of whom look pretty strong. There are also 3 more open qualifiers left, where 6 more teams will be decided. We don't know which these will be yet, but arguably teams like Sprout and Complexity can be challengers, if they can get their act together. BIG certainly have a good shot, but there are a lot of things standing in their way.
2020-02-04 01:39
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yeah like i said fnatic is gonna be a huge challenge but dunno big already beat heroic and i dont think nip will pass mad lions is a pretty big contender aswell completly forgot about them
2020-02-04 01:44
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Sweden quacke
Honestly aside from Movistar Riders and Heretics I think all teams in the closed quali so far have a good shot at the Minor, and I can think of a couple more that can add to that. I think this year's Minor almost is gonna be more exciting than the Major itself, because everyone deserves to win. The Major is just gonna be some top 10-15 team against Astralis in the final getting wrecked, just like last two.
2020-02-04 01:49
weird way to say astralis
2020-02-03 23:59
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Peru TheJuan
*Mouz
2020-02-04 03:17
4 replies
mouz best german team
2020-02-04 03:56
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Peru TheJuan
+1
2020-02-04 04:35
R u my bro?
2020-02-04 08:54
1 reply
yes brother)))
2020-02-04 12:51
big, lmfao
2020-02-04 00:23
Dude????? Big can't win me and my friends
2020-02-04 16:11
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Brazil cinza
big >> b7as1L
2020-02-04 18:35
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Czech Republic Cuki_
Sinners are best
2020-02-03 23:06
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France Qaze
ok
2020-02-03 23:06
nice
2020-02-03 23:06
In other words: small orgs are getting scammed
2020-02-03 23:07
14 replies
Retard
2020-02-03 23:50
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Czech Republic PaYaB
what ?
2020-02-04 00:04
9 replies
Big teams will give less known teams poor rating and hence those teams will face harder opponents. And people circlejerk and claim that the system works because those teams didn't do well when in reality they had a disadvantage. Tournaments should be based on results, not opinions. It's anti competitive. But most fans are okay with it because it helps their teams. But e.g. CIS and Asian teams tend to get fucked over.
2020-02-04 00:37
8 replies
yeah cuz cis and Asian teams always do the best at majors
2020-02-04 03:08
2 replies
CIS have fairly consistently upset top teams in past majors. Avangar made it to the final. Gambit won a major. QBF/winstrike, Vega always did better than people expected.
2020-02-04 03:15
1 reply
Agreed, I remember last time this player chosen seeding and it was ridiculous. One time I remember absolutely shit C9 roster ranked higher than plenty other more capable teams.
2020-02-04 14:08
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Brazil Fauchard
But the seeds are not based in opinion but they take into consideration the points of the Ranking of the HLTV the results of the past MAJOR and the results of the open/closed/minor qualify. MIBR is not in a good time so probably they will get a lower seed than in 2017, so they will face hard team in the start of the major.
2020-02-04 04:41
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Did you read the article? > the participating teams themselves ranked their opponents from 1-15 also HLTV ranking isn't exactly a good source either as it's heavily biased towards invites tournaments.
2020-02-04 04:48
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Brazil Fauchard
I think I dont understand exactly what the article was explaining, I will search for portuguese sources to understand better and back with a better opinion =/
2020-02-04 04:50
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It's the same concept as in Katowice. Each team ranks all other teams. So e.g. mibr probably ranks Astralis as #1 and then whomever they think is current the second best team #2 and so... last time fnatic was rank #1 in challenger stage but ended up being terrible.
2020-02-04 04:56
CIS has had a decent chunk of teams that have played good, or have made it farther than anyone expected: Gambit Avangar Vega Sqadron QBF DreamEaters This year forZe will make top8, etc...
2020-02-04 07:02
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Brazil Fauchard
Imagine in a world cup GROUP A Brazil Argentina Germany France GROUP B Uruguay Italy England Spain And the another 6 groups you put only lowest seeds together Would be nice to watch only the group stage, after that probably would be a boring PLAYOFF to see.....
2020-02-04 04:35
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You are missing the point. The issues how they do the seeding and how it punishes low seeded teams in every round. If the lowest seeded team beats the best team, which happened last time, then that should overrule the seeding. Results > opinions
2020-02-04 04:45
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Yeah get lowest seed , and u face top team first, then again top team, they can't get lower opponents, and when the seedinh based on opinion of the other contestants its just plain dumb, if i was player i would seed astralis last everytime
2020-02-04 14:11
What
2020-02-03 23:07
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India Women
This guy is VP of Pro Gaming??
2020-02-03 23:08
ez4BTRG
2020-02-03 23:09
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Poland Mratu
Carmac :D
2020-02-03 23:12
kinda cool
2020-02-03 23:12
But they used same seeding in Kato Major so nothing changing
2020-02-03 23:12
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There is a change. 3-0 teams in Challengers can't get a lower seed in Groups than 3-1 etc.
2020-02-03 23:21
cool
2020-02-03 23:12
K
2020-02-03 23:13
So like Katowice 2019? Nice
2020-02-03 23:16
Very nice
2020-02-03 23:16
What if teams conspire and seed astralis #1 and EG/liquid last. This benefits everyone except the mentioned teams.
2020-02-03 23:17
5 replies
It does not benefit the higher ranked teams. If say most teams including NaVi mark EG as a bottom team, while NaVi being marked according to logic, NaVi will have to play EG in an early stage.
2020-02-03 23:22
3 replies
Im not entirely sure on how brackets work but the loser in #1 vs #16 plays the loser of #7 vs #8 i assume, so if all lesser teams stack the best four teams in middle rankings and top/bottom that would be a good strat id assume.
2020-02-03 23:25
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So, only lower half of the teams are interested in ranking top (say top4) teams abnormally low. These are the rules (unless something else changed since): > The scores submitted are then added up to determine the full seeding, creating what the ESL believes to be "an accurate present ranking of all teams participating at the event." To prevent teams from deliberately manipulating the seeding, ESL removed the two votes for each team that were the farthest away from the final average. The middle-pack teams do not care (they are playing each other anyway) and therefore will mark unbiased, the top half is interested in marking as correct as possible (to face lower tier opposition). Taking the vote discard rule in context and the majority of marks being honest will put teams roughly where they should be.
2020-02-03 23:36
no, in the swiss system 2nd round the highest seeded winner of round 1 plays against the lowest seeded winner. and the highest seeded loser plays the lowerst seeded loser. so it depends on who gets upset or not. if #1 gets upset by #16 but #2 wins against #15, then #1 will play #15 and #2 will play #16. after round 2 the seedings get adjusted using the buchholz system, but it's still highest seed against lowest (possible) seed withing each bracket (2-0, 1-1, 0-2).
2020-02-04 20:17
This benefits Astralis
2020-02-04 06:51
Why do they shoot themselves in a leg once again? If say Heroic qualify in 3-0 by having insane form, and Evil Geniuses drop a BO3 to some CRAZY Serbs and qualify in 3-1, we will get a garbage playoff bracket, as seems to be a tradition for most majors. I understand you want to make all stages matter, but this is some real short-sight.
2020-02-03 23:23
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Your point is irrelevant because the priority to the results for seeding is between the Challengers and Champions Stage. It's also normal that teams who went 3-0 in the Champions Stage meet teams who went 3-2 in the playoffs. Don't blame the organizer if your favorite team has to play Astralis in 1/4 finals because they dropped a map to "some CRAZY Serbs".
2020-02-03 23:25
7 replies
You didn't understand my point. My point is what should be the actual final happens in quaterfinal. This new rule makes fluke runs easier.
2020-02-03 23:27
6 replies
The expression "the actual final" makes no sense to me, as a team who is for you a fluke has a great group stage, deserves to they face a team that didn't perform so well. It would be unfair to make them play the best teams in the World Ranking, and favor the big dogs, which ruins the magic of the Major imo.
2020-02-03 23:35
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Spain 1996
+1
2020-02-03 23:43
> The expression "the actual final" makes no sense to me Then maybe recall Astralis vs. Liquid in 1/4 final at StartLater? The STORYLINE between these two teams (or it makes no sense to you, too?), and Avangar that got to the final by beating Vitality(!) and Renegades(!), while Astralis next took on EG, which at the time was already better than all the teams in sibling bracket? > It would be unfair to make them play the best teams in the World Ranking My head hurts; do you even understand why the seeding exists and why the best team always plays the worst team, and best teams are placed on different sides of the bracket?
2020-02-03 23:46
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Well it was logic that Avangar had a more favorable match-up than Liquid, as they finished 3-1 and Liquid 3-2 (they beat Liquid btw). Had Liquid won against Ava'gar they would have been in that side of the bracket, nothing to complain about.
2020-02-03 23:55
Yes and the best team ended up winning the tournament. If you're gonna be the best you gotta beat the best. Don't drop unnecessary maps in the qualifying stages and get an advantage. Seems pretty damn fair to me.
2020-02-04 01:23
No matter when the match up is, Astralis will always dominate Liquid
2020-02-04 06:57
nice
2020-02-03 23:28
"...with teams who pulled off an upset gaining a significant portion of the difference between theirs and the opponent's seeding..." Bullshit. In the last two majors, the teams that were ranked the lowest did not have their seeding adjusted enough to avoid having to play the toughest available opponent every round.
2020-02-03 23:38
2 replies
Which is why they increased it.
2020-02-03 23:52
ELO Rating has a formula to calculate.. maybe the "constant" was low in the last year
2020-02-04 00:01
Something new? nice
2020-02-03 23:45
BIG first seed thx players you all know BIG #1 2020
2020-02-04 00:03
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United States sorcrcrc
poggers
2020-02-04 01:07
Thats nice, I hope they pick S1mple's seed so we can have more godly CS players
2020-02-04 04:36
heroic will win majorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
2020-02-04 11:11
O report sini hu Jopdoblyt ha
2020-02-04 14:54
IMO HLTV ranking isn't exactly a good source as it's heavily biased towards invites tournaments.
2020-02-04 17:22
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Germany Tagesschau
Not sure if thats a good idea
2020-02-04 21:02
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