Astralis' Kasper Hvidt: "Things changed around JUGi's contractual situation and we decided to go for it"

We talked to Astralis' Sports Director, Kasper Hvidt, for some insight into the organization's decision to extend their roster even further with the signing of Jakob "JUGi" Hansen.

On Monday, Astralis confirmed the addition of JUGi to their squad as a sixth player, the second roster move in the space of two months following the signing of Patrick "es3tag" Hansen, which will come into effect on July 1. The move came as a surprise after coach Danny "zonic" Sørensen had ruled out a seven-man lineup in the March 24 episode of Astralis Talks, just two days after the signing of the Heroic player had been made official.

A month and a half later, Mr. Hvidt offered an explanation when asked about what changed Astralis' minds. "At that time I would probably also have said it would not happen any time soon, but things changed around JUGi's contractual situation and we decided to go for it." He is referring to JUGi being released from his contract with North at the end of April, three months after he had been benched to make way for Mathias "MSL" Lauridsen.

Astralis' Sports Director, Kasper Hvidt, talks JUGi signing (image courtesy of Astralis)

Getting yet another player under their wing without having to pay a fee for him, Astralis essentially utilized the same strategy as with es3tag, who has less than two months left on his contract with Heroic before his new tenure begins. One way this could be perceived is that the biggest organization in Denmark is swooping up free talent in the country so that they can sell them later and turn a profit, but that is a notion the organization's Sports Director firmly denied as he reiterates that the aim has always been to improve the team:

"I think we have been very open with our ambitions and goals from day one," he said. "We have signed two players who we know very well and who have proven they can work in our system and culture. The fact that they were out of contract made it possible to execute the strategy faster, and naturally, the cost is something we always consider. But we do not pick up players, rebuild our facilities, arrange additional bootcamps and team-building sessions if we do not intend to integrate the new players into the team."

"Will we sell players at some point? Absolutely! We even sold JUGi for a really decent amount a couple of years ago when he was top-performing on Heroic and I can't say that won't happen again. Did we sign him or any other player with the aim to sell him? No. We do what we do to create the strongest possible Counter-Strike team now and in the many years to come."

One of the ways Astralis aim to do so is by preventing the need to skip LAN events as they did (and were often criticized for) in 2019 when they decided against competing in tournaments like IEM Sydney and both StarSeries. "Last year we decided to prioritize between tournaments to give the five players a much-needed break to fully recover from fatigue," Mr. Hvidt recalled. "Had we not done this, we would have never won the Major, which is an overall goal for us. Part of what we do now is aimed at not being forced to take full breaks with the team again."

But in what scenario other than replacing Nicolai "device" Reedtz — who sat out several tournaments in late 2017 because of health issues, which was also partly why the team didn't go to Sydney last year —, will JUGi actually play? es3tag famously switched between several roles, AWPer and in-game leader included, during his time Heroic, which makes him a possible replacement for anyone in Astralis, but the 23-year-old has been a main AWPer throughout his entire professional CS:GO career. "I actually do think you will see him playing other roles than just the AWP," Mr. Hvidt revealed. "We worked with him before and saw him in other roles, but the way we play and use each individual player is up to the coach."

JUGi has been the main AWPer all of his professional career

Before es3tag arrives, there is also no obvious player who can take over Lukas "gla1ve" Rossander's role as the in-game leader should he take a break. Mr. Hvidt did not confirm or deny rumors suggesting Magisk has been calling the shots in recent times, but he explained that the team has this situation covered: "In Astralis every player has a deep tactical understanding and they all pitch in when it comes to tactics and the playbook. I think everybody would understand I won't be discussing specific tactics, but we have more potential co-IGLs on the team, should we need to rest Lukas at some point."

With a big question mark arising with the introduction of the Regional Major Ranking events in April, we asked Mr. Hvidt about the roster rules in place for this circuit, which will determine the teams going to the ESL One Rio Major, and the punishment for swapping players during or between tournaments (a 20% points reduction per change).

"We fully understand that there are rules to level the playing field and as long as there is only one, maybe two teams with more than five players, it is only fair to even the playing field somehow," he explained. "Still, there are glitches in the rule book that have probably not been thought through and what we saw recently with North is not ideal.

"Looking further ahead, though, I think that we all have to consider the health of the players, the risk of burning out, and how to improve the conditions in all aspects. We've seen way too many players burn out way too soon, and we've seen teams go from top 3 in the world to second-tier with the same players. I honestly believe that a bigger roster is something we should all support, and from the messages and questions I have received after our announcement, we are far from alone with this idea."

Denmark Patrick 'es3tag' Hansen
Patrick 'es3tag' Hansen
Age:
24
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
1043
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.15
Denmark Lukas 'gla1ve' Rossander
Lukas 'gla1ve' Rossander
Age:
24
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.01
Maps played:
1335
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.17
Denmark Mathias 'MSL' Lauridsen
Mathias 'MSL' Lauridsen
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.92
Maps played:
1595
KPR:
0.64
DPR:
0.72
APR:
0.15
Denmark Danny 'zonic' Sørensen
Danny 'zonic' Sørensen
Age:
33
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.75
Maps played:
20
KPR:
0.49
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.11
Denmark Nicolai 'device' Reedtz
Nicolai 'device' Reedtz
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.17
Maps played:
1498
KPR:
0.78
DPR:
0.62
APR:
0.13
Denmark Jakob 'JUGi' Hansen
Jakob 'JUGi' Hansen
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
904
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.61
APR:
0.10
#3
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France MarcoXY 
Nice
2020-05-15 11:16
Kasper Hvidt: anyone have a problem with a 7-man roster Astralis players: Well yes, have you tho.... Kasper Hvidt: tv.tv2.dk/video/MDYwNTE1S2FzcGVySHZpZHQ Astralis players: good point, sorry Kasper
2020-05-15 16:46
Can you translate pls? :X
2020-05-16 14:59
This is only the essence of the conversation. They are talking about how you can't be hyped when you are playing a game for the sixth and seventh place (In the danish handball league). And how players don't really take such a game serious. Then Kasper just said that players who can't see that a sixth place is better than a seventh place should be fired :)
2020-05-16 19:05
ty!
2020-05-16 19:27
Actually it was just to show his reaction when someone disagrees with him. He was well known for his temper while being a handball goalkeeper (World class)
2020-05-16 21:09
Now i got your point. And yeah, as commited and professional a player can be, there's a psychological factor you can't ignore, at the very least, you are not getting that extra motivation you'd have when playing a really meaningful game. It's just how it works.
2020-05-16 21:24
#4
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Netherlands HetIsPatat 
JUGi deserves it.
2020-05-15 11:16
#5
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Oceania aZZtec 
okey
2020-05-15 11:17
#7
Dosia | 
United Kingdom Noided 
+YEKINDAR -JUGI
2020-05-15 11:17
#10
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Estonia qoznyyy 
gl to him!
2020-05-15 11:17
#13
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Finland julus 
-DEVICE + JUGI
2020-05-15 11:20
+111111
2020-05-15 11:21
#42
pinto | 
Brazil GrilO_O 
+111111 Let people be #1 for longer than 3 months
2020-05-15 12:46
pls remove ecolai now. he is so useless
2020-05-15 11:20
+1
2020-05-15 16:29
ur the most braindead person :D and keep olof in faze, right? hes so insane.
2020-05-17 08:09
jugi> ecolai olof best support, irreplaceable
2020-05-17 08:57
lol. olof best bot, ireeplaceable.
2020-05-17 09:35
I dont think device useless But u cant say bot to olof its just a braindead comment at this point He is sacrificing himself for the team and still performing when it matters the most
2020-05-19 17:14
#18
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Latvia zhemguss 
Next Level
2020-05-15 11:32
I can see the 6-men team with 1 as backup but 7-men team is just ridiculous. May as well make a 10-men team. Hey, if they have the money to throw around, feel free to do so.
2020-05-15 11:34
The goal is a 10-men team to play Flashpoint and EPL at the same time
2020-05-15 13:39
Holy fuck
2020-05-15 15:12
Actually big brain if they do that.
2020-05-15 16:47
#21
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Slovakia Kurki 
very interesting personalities
2020-05-15 11:42
#22
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Denmark Kon10R 
Astralis yet again set the future/bar/meta of cs go. Soon we will see other teams follow, and soon we will see +5 man roster threads in here for FaZe, Liquid, Fnatic etc. Whatever the issues were on the French scene I think they could create a monster roster with THREE teams in the playoffs of RtR!
2020-05-15 11:45
But they will act like snakes and bitch around when they dont play ....
2020-05-15 11:58
#39
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Poland kvvach 
AGO set it Astralis just steal it and acts like they invent it
2020-05-15 12:32
They say that they had been planning to have a multiman roster since dupreeh had appendicitis. tho I would agree that ago probably made them actually do it
2020-05-15 12:52
#58
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Denmark Kon10R 
Guess it doesn't matter "who was first". We are of course not talking about copyrights or whatever. If anyone can change the scene and the future of cs go, it's Astralis. The other team was long ago ... Okay, sorry! 😁
2020-05-15 13:22
pretty obvious 13y/o asstralis fanboy. only talking shit
2020-05-15 18:55
#53
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Denmark Kon10R 
Who's talking about inventing it? I'm talking about the KINGS of Counter Strike ... the juggernauts ... the greatest of all time ... and all that blabla. It's in other words a team BIG ENOUGH to actually set the pace and change the scene. I don't even know who Ago was ...
2020-05-15 13:10
"Astralis yet again set the future/bar/meta of cs go." This implies that Astralis is the one who got to do this as the first one. If you are the second, third or whatever team to do something then you are FOLLOWING and not SETTING the bar. I'm afraid you are a bit too blinded by your 5-time-mancrushes... Or should I say 6? 7? 8? hell, 20-time-mancrushes.
2020-05-15 16:08
Yes they are the first team that matters
2020-05-15 17:42
Astralis bad
2020-05-19 15:28
#127
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Denmark Kon10R 
Compared to who?
2020-05-19 23:25
Tier 1 cs scene... they will be irrelevant without gla1ve no more eco frags for dev1ce
2020-05-20 17:04
#129
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Denmark Kon10R 
Surely Dev1ce has won 15 mvp's on ecofrags alone. He knows nothing about deagles, AK's or otherwise, and no one else on the tier 1 scene are supposed to deliver against eco buys. (You sound like 100's of other "experts" in here ... with mindboggling deep analysis and ability to observe.)
2020-05-20 17:10
hello ? u new to hltv ? Never got baited ? U can be lucky that I tell u what I just did. So I saw u are danish and u like astralis 1+1=ez bait... I type some random shit nobody believes and people still dont get it. And I have a laugh
2020-05-20 17:34
#131
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Denmark Kon10R 
I understand the level of entertainment you are going for .... Truly impressive.
2020-05-20 17:53
#132
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Denmark ma3rsk 
If u didn't even know AGO, please don't comment on CS generally.
2020-05-21 06:33
#133
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Denmark Kon10R 
Which you just didn't. 😂 Maybe you should think first before asking others to not comment in a public forum. I educated myself afterwards. You know what that means?
2020-05-21 08:01
#134
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Denmark ma3rsk 
Yes, I very much know what that means, but honestly I cannot take you seriously if you had to google AGO. Embarrassing washed-out 11 y/o Astralis fanboy mentality. Ew.
2020-05-21 14:34
#135
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Denmark Kon10R 
I begin to get the picture ... Knowledge about cs go is pretty nerdy, despite it growing as a whole. Knowledge about cs go history is supernerdy to quite some extend, but some of us are ready to go the distance to pick it up as we go along. The interesting part here is that you sort of express an opinion that "lesser educated minds" are supposed to be quiet, as if you were a member of some superior society with certificates and all which entitles YOU to speak up in a public forum. That line of thought may not be welcomed by many in a democratic society, where everybody by law is entitled to speak freely. And if you by ANY stretch of imagination have the idea, that AGO's 6 man roster created any effect on the cs go scene compared to Astralis ... One was a "curiousity" at best, the other will shape the future due a "slight" difference in magnitude of importance. In short: You shouldn't take me or any of this "seriously". It's all COMPLETELY unimportant.
2020-05-23 00:17
#24
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Russia Mad_bettor 
Whats the issue with device health? He should take some pills
2020-05-15 11:51
device low hp no armor
2020-05-15 11:58
#72
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Indonesia lumayan 
+1
2020-05-15 13:42
Jetlag
2020-05-15 13:18
#60
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Denmark Kon10R 
Everybody suffers from jetlag, some more than others. The high pressure and stressful life at the very top triggered some problem with the lungs or whatever it was. I forgot exactly what.
2020-05-15 13:24
#25
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Europe KappaKaako 
This will work in Online situations.
2020-05-15 11:52
#34
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Poland friendlySeb 
This team is so fucking amazing. This org. is fucking something incredble. Those guys are so proffesional, holy shiet. Anyway I don't think JUGi will bring anything nice to this team.
2020-05-15 12:12
#44
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Belgium ZxTox 
Yeah taking 30% cut off their salary then signing jugi is very profesionnal.
2020-05-15 12:50
#47
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Denmark UX_Designer 
I think the players are more than satisfied with cutting salary if that ensures better health options in the future or increases chances of competing at all big tournaments. They are doing this in order to be more competitive throughout the whole year and not just choosing specific tournaments. Astralis has since their entrance to CS been the most proffesional organization and other organizations will start doing the same very soon.
2020-05-15 13:00
#50
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Belgium ZxTox 
Not true, it's either Team Liquid or Complexity.
2020-05-15 13:06
#51
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Denmark UX_Designer 
Complexity? They might be good at branding their squads but we've seen how they treat past squads that doesnt perform
2020-05-15 13:08
#54
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Belgium ZxTox 
Org with the best branding is FaZe. Nothing wrong with telling your players to step up, imagine expecting 30K salary and doing little to no work. Meaning your investment into these players means nothing.
2020-05-15 13:11
#59
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Denmark UX_Designer 
Bruh it was never about who is best at branding. We are talking about the most professional org and the way that complexity publicly handled some of the stuff was very unprofessional
2020-05-15 13:24
+1 #54 that wasn't even related to the conversation lmao
2020-05-17 02:53
#48
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Poland friendlySeb 
From where do you know that they have cutten 30% of their salary?
2020-05-15 13:03
#49
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Belgium ZxTox 
Astralis group website.
2020-05-15 13:05
#83
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Poland friendlySeb 
If their salaries were enough, I don't see a reason to not cut 30% of it.
2020-05-15 14:34
#104
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Europe Rawrcakes 
This salary cut was to ensure that nobody within the Astralis Group organisation was fired as a result of the pandemic.
2020-05-15 17:21
#105
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Poland friendlySeb 
That's a great move then.
2020-05-15 17:28
#106
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Europe Rawrcakes 
Good old fashioned danish wholesomeness. We have other companies who have done this.. Most notably was probably Danish Crown, which did a similar move, with amazing long term results, as it allowed them to massively increase production and export, without loosing any jobs in the short term. It should also be noted that not everyone in the organisation took this pay cut. It was voluntary. I could imagine that all the Astralis players would've taken the paycut, but newer teams such as Future FC or Origen haven't had time to build up years worth of prize winnings to comfortably do this. Seeing as most of these players are also foreigners who came to Denmark to live and play with the team - Only to get hit by the lockdown. I would think Astralis Group decided against reducing their pay as much, as they are probably still getting established here and getting used to the higher cost of living. Source: astralisgroup.net/news/salary-agreement
2020-05-15 17:41
#62
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Denmark Kon10R 
Some organizational construction earlier on included Heroic. Casper Hvidt worked with Jugi for 1.5 years. They know him, and he has experience with the entire Astralis-machinery on forehand. Time will show.
2020-05-15 13:26
#84
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Poland friendlySeb 
Time will show ofc., but for me JUGi is to inconsistent to play for the best team in the world.
2020-05-15 14:35
The difference is Astralis would probably be better at knowing how to use JUGi to his potential and how to set him up.
2020-05-15 15:13
#89
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Poland friendlySeb 
Yes, but still it will be very hard to fix his inconsistency.
2020-05-15 15:31
True. But a stable ground like Astralis will hopefully help him out of it.
2020-05-15 16:20
#97
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Poland friendlySeb 
They will do their best for sure, but idk. if they will make him a solid player.
2020-05-15 16:20
OMEGALUL
2020-05-15 12:19
#36
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Portugal NabasKi 
First eye: WOKE AF Second eye: I sleep
2020-05-15 12:19
Valve will not support you. If valve made a rule and made a statement, without pressure, it was always about lineup changes and standin. In Dota and in csgo. ESL follow that line as biggest tournament organisers. So have fun with that lineup changes. Best would be if esl would only allow lineup changes every 4 months if you want a direct invite
2020-05-15 12:30
#63
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Denmark Kon10R 
They may be the last ... but they will give in in the end. It's the future. You will not suddenly see FIFA issue a new rule in football: "Only 11 man rosters allowed."
2020-05-15 13:29
It isn't the future. Also not pay able for 95% of the clans. If people think astralis show the future then they are obv stupid. And compare it with other sports is stupid as well. But to counter your stupidity. Did you see a beach volleyball team with 2 man team that they have 3 players? No cuz it makes none sense
2020-05-15 14:11
#80
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Denmark Kon10R 
As you wish. We will see.
2020-05-15 14:14
#38
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Netherlands meneert 
Hmmm
2020-05-15 12:32
#40
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Poland kvvach 
fuck you Mr hvidt
2020-05-15 12:34
i think he would decline your offer
2020-05-15 23:34
#112
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Poland kvvach 
why you think that
2020-05-15 23:42
#41
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Denmark MetatronKbh 
POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER POWER ASTRALIS are the teams in the world that have the most POWER, they are the ones who set the agenda, the reason is that their organization is the BIGGEST in the world in counter strike, and then they are also smart economically, which is why many are jealous of them , and then there are also many who have no knowledge ,,, low iq, and who have a shitty life, therefore they troll in here. I know you don't like to hear it, and you will not relate to reality. ASTRALIS IS NOT HERE TO TAKE PART,,,,,WE ARE HERE TO TAKE OVER.
2020-05-15 12:45
#77
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Venezuela Jorge_ 
take your pills granpa
2020-05-15 14:01
There are many many clans that are smarter and bigger.
2020-05-15 14:12
In a sport where chemistry and roles are the main thing that differentiate a very good lineup from an elite lineup I sure don't think the results will match their normal expectations. All the 6+ men rosters, but SK.swe for a very short time with SpawN and elemeNt, have been a fail at the highest level since the 1 st iteration of CS ( 1.6 and even before ). I certainly don't expect this 7 men roster to be any different, with es3tag and especially JUGi.. JuGi the guy who always awped will now play other roles at Astralis tier level ? He couldn't even cut it at tier 1 in his best role... Gimme a faking break...
2020-05-15 12:50
Astralis knows they will have a performance hit. They will put these subs to play on less important tournaments, and save the main line up for the big ones.
2020-05-15 13:26
#65
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Denmark Kon10R 
You seem to "know" this, right? In 2019 Astralis skipped events (as mentioned in the interview) and the puppy dogs in here were howling at the moon. Now they try to create a brand that actually CAN "take the heat" of a tight and stressful tournament schedule ... and then the puppies howl about THAT! It's tuff to be at the top ...
2020-05-15 13:33
Biggest problem are egos: In the past, when you earned nothing/close to nothing of CS 1.6 (compared with 20k-30k per month in todays CS:GO) egos were all that these CS 1.6 pros had. And damn were their egos big. In todays CS:GO Egos are still big, but with the amount of money you make, most pros have learned that big egos start to hinder making even more money and attitude has party changed. Astralis seems to be the team where ego is like the smallest problem of all other top teams. Never heard of team fights, bitchy attitudes and they have shown constant great work ethic while other top dogs acted like "I / we are the best, why should I / we grind 10 hours?". When there is a team that can make 6 or 7 players work during a year, then it is Astralis pathing the way. The advantages in vacation, free time, less stress and better internal training possibilities (with Zonic they can have 8 players situational training), might outshine every disadvantage in possible less prize money (which is void when they attend more events after Corona) or "fame".
2020-05-15 13:35
#74
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Poland rude_wredne 
+1 mens
2020-05-15 13:45
#45
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Brazil MADE_IN_WUHAN 
Everyone in astralis also know how to abuse smokes
2020-05-15 12:50
#67
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Denmark Kon10R 
Yeah, no other pro has the slightest idea where the opponent might be ...
2020-05-15 13:36
gotta catch em all! they still suck balls though, I dont see this weird backup plan ever working in reality
2020-05-15 13:09
#70
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Denmark Kon10R 
Columbus went West in 1492 ... Armstrong stepped on the moon in 1969 ... Somebody has to go first, and if anyone can do it, it's Astralis.
2020-05-15 13:40
ez4gods
2020-05-15 13:17
#64
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CIS Dowa) 
blAstralis' nicolas nyholm*
2020-05-15 13:29
#68
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Cambodia PigFace 
I cant see how Astralis could go into a Tier 1 event with Jugi with the form he has shown. I mean it could work probably work out if they want to give some guys a rest in Pro League matches against Tier 2-3 teams
2020-05-15 13:36
#75
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Denmark Kon10R 
Casper Hvidt worked with Jugi for 1.5 years while he was with Heroic. Jugi knows a LOT about the infrastructure. Maybe he didn't "fit in" or wasn't set up the best way, wasn't coached right, didn't "click" with his earlier teammates. I don't know either, but it's a great chance for him to come back, roll up his sleeves, get to work, being coached by Mr. MVP himself. If not: There will be quite a few great players out there ready to step in if the whole thing turns out even remotely successful. It will be interesting to follow Ence as well. Time will show.
2020-05-15 13:47
CS at this level is often about confidence. Being on a team with some of the greatest players the game has ever seen might just be what JUGi needs to get his confidence back and perform like he did at his peak under Heroic. I think he could also learn a great deal from device on how to play a bit more passively than he has done before. Get better at learning when to take duels and when to just give up angles and reposition himself.
2020-05-15 15:34
They won't
2020-05-15 15:34
#76
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Spain T[]mB 
Kasper Hvidt is a legend in spanish handball scene. Respect
2020-05-15 13:53
Indeed. There's been quite a few Danes in Spanish Handball over the years and Hvidt was one of the greatest ever at his peak.
2020-05-15 15:36
#94
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Denmark twinseN 
He was a very sick Keeper indeed
2020-05-15 16:05
earlier, esl kicked jugi. what's meaning ? but everyone playing especially jamppi
2020-05-15 14:46
GL JUGi!
2020-05-15 15:20
He would deny that wouldn't he
2020-05-15 15:34
If this work out well Astralis could become an unstoppable juggernaut. Cool.
2020-05-15 16:58
#102
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Spain elskio 
IDK what to say... like rly? xd
2020-05-15 17:01
#103
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Turkey Slapdash 
Bigger rosters are not sustainable, if it's purpose is solely preventing players from burning out, arranging the schedule is far more reasonable.
2020-05-15 17:19
#108
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Australia aussie_billy 
Good luck, goat CS org
2020-05-15 18:50
Astralis is getting all the abandoned children from North
2020-05-15 22:55
Soon Astralis going to sign whole Danish scene and more
2020-05-16 20:11
I was advocating this after Device was ill and Dennis was called in. Have an extra player! Every football or whatever team has reserves. Dennis is a 'Brain'. His only weakness is a lack of confidence. But that would be resolved in a team like astralis. I guess that has come and gone but I still fully support the notion of a 6 man squad - well a seven man squad now it seems.
2020-05-17 07:55
astralis playing 4d chess while every other org playing checkers
2020-05-18 14:39
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