kuben about Virtus.pro decline: "What we had been building for several years fell apart in 12 months"

Jakub "kuben" Gurczynski opened up about his five years as the coach of Virtus.pro, the issues that plagued the original lineup with Wiktor "TaZ" Wojtas and Filip "NEO" Kubski, and struggles they faced when attempting to rebuild.

The partnership of kuben, TaZ, and NEO predates CS:GO. The trio united in 2006, forming the original Golden Five lineup which was dominant in Counter-Strike 1.6 until 2008, after which Jarosław "pashaBiceps" Jarząbkowski joined the squad.

The core transitioned to CS:GO and stuck together until 2013, when kuben and Mariusz "Loord" Cybulski were swapped out for two youngsters — Janusz "Snax" Pogorzelski and Paweł "byali" Bieliński — forming the original Virtus.pro lineup, which ended up winning the EMS One Katowice 2014 Major, as well as number of other Big Events in the following years.

A year after winning DreamHack Masters Las Vegas, Virtus.pro dropped out of the top-10 and never made it back

The decline of the fan-favorite squad is, to this day, a big point of discussion. Talking with kuben, who joined Virtus.pro as coach in 2015 and represented the organization until 2019, a new light has been shed on the issues in the team.

The tactician spoke about the team's most successful period in late 2016 and early 2017, during which they briefly held the No.1 spot in the world ranking, and the issues that followed. While kuben dismissed the idea that four-year contracts and big salaries ruined the squad, he explained how the Mercedes gifted to TaZ disrupted the chemistry — a key ingredient in the Poles' success.

Working with a sports psychologist, who joined the team in 2019, helped kuben understand the processes that go on inside a team better, he says, admitting that adding one back in 2017 could've changed the course of the team. However, with those actions now in the past, the 31-year-old is looking for a new challenge, hoping to apply what he learned during his years with the Polish Plow in a new team - at home or internationally.

When players are left teamless, they mostly focus on individual shape, play FPL, pugs or DM. As a coach, what have you filled your days with since parting ways with the Virtus.pro?

It's basically the stuff I mentioned in my TwitLonger post. I've spent the last few weeks analyzing the knowledge I gained during my several years of adventure in esports. As a CS:GO coach, I’ve learned many mechanisms that facilitate teamwork. I constantly write these notes down in a notebook to keep them in order.

Lately, I fill my free time watching as much CS as I can. I doubt there was a time, even back in 2015 or 2016, when teams on this level played as many official matches online as they do now. I want to be up to date all the time so that after being signed by a new team I can work at full capacity.

Players in the inter-contract period also take care of their private life, and so have I. I have a lot of free time for myself, especially because of the ongoing pandemic. I am making up for previously neglected areas in private life. Mainly, I spend most of the days together with my daughter.

You spent five years in Virtus.pro and were a part of the lineup which built its legacy in CS:GO. What are your fondest memories from that time?

The nicest memory is for sure the thing that, as a coach, I could be a part of a team with people I had spent a lot of time in my life with while I was a player. We knew each other so well, we were as thick as thieves. I also met many interesting personalities of the younger generation with whom we created an explosive mix of characters. Wonderful in all this was the number of years in which we were able to enjoy success with the same lineup.

If I had to name the most successful period throughout the years, it began at ELEAGUE Season 1 in 2016 and lasted for about seven months. We spent over a month in Atlanta practicing and having fun together, preparing for each game for a few days. We built a super consistent team in those days. The atmosphere was great and everyone was enjoying the game. From one tournament to the next we were better and better, until the ELEAGUE Major in Atlanta 2017 in which we lost to Astralis, but the rematch in Vegas tasted great.

An additional flavor is added by the fact that at this tournament the coach had the possibility of communicating with the team all the time. Preparing for matches, knowing the mechanisms used by our opponents, I had excellent knowledge about how to play matches at given moments and I largely contributed to the tournament's final success.

It was also unique that during all these years we resolved every conflict by ourselves, without training staff or management.

The demise of the team is still a topic of discussion, with many tracing the downfall back to the end of 2016, when four-year contracts were signed which were rumored to make Virtus.pro the highest-paid team, and the start of 2017, when TaZ was gifted a Mercedes after the DreamHack Masters Las Vegas win. Do you agree with the sentiment, or was this more of an outsider's simplified view of how things went down?

I think that the increased salaries did not have such a significant impact on the bad performance of the team as the fact that some team members felt underrated because only TaZ received the Mercedes bonus. We learned about it a few months later, so it was sad that despite our long-standing friendship, anger and jealousy stewed inside - instead of enjoying the success of a teammate.

During the struggles, byali was the target of criticism for "playing too much PUBG", even leading to an April fools joke tied to it. Was this a real issue in the team at the time, not just with byali, but the whole team? How do you approach a player who is putting in time in other games?

The balloon about playing other games has been blown up too big. If the player is willing to improve, devotes enough time to understand his performance issues in CS, and finds solutions, then playing other games in his free time is not an obstacle here. However, when team results are not the best, and in 2018 they undoubtedly weren't, then the priority should be CS.

I understood it better in cooperation with a sports psychologist. In 2019, we had frequent problems in online open qualifiers, which are played as best-of-one. The thing is, a professional player still wants to experience new stimuli and new emotions. If the player plays other games before team training (and there have been situations when someone played a different game even in between matches in these qualifiers) he will in some way silence that stimuli, feel satisfied and calm down, and this will undoubtedly reduce the player's concentration and disposition in the upcoming match.

At the end of 2018, as VP unveiled a new lineup, the General Manager Roman Dvoryankin said he regretted not making changes earlier. Was that your thinking as well? The addition of MICHU was something that had been discussed for years but seemingly came in too late to save the team. Was there a time before the benching of TaZ when you were close to making a roster change?

The first ideas of change appeared in mid-2017, but it was said we should wait for the upcoming Major since there was an EPICENTER event on the way as well, which was an additional motivational boost for our team since it was in Russia - the country where the organization Virtus.pro comes from.

After a surprisingly successful performance (narrowly lost in the BO5 final against SK) when the whole CS community was doubting us, another ray of hope appeared - only to be quickly buried at the next tournament. The performance at the Major in January 2018 was the final nail in the coffin and changes were inevitable.

I was very emotional when we had a late-night dinner to tell TaZ about the change. There were tears in my eyes. This was not just a coach-player relationship.

However, we could have made changes to the team even earlier or hired a psychologist to help us solve the big issues that had been there for a while. Waiting until the Major wasn’t a clever decision.

It is difficult to say today, but from experience I will say that the whole process would have looked different. Today I know that it was worth replacing two players at the same time. In June 2018, we wanted to react again by strengthening the lineup, but Roman disagreed. After a while, he admitted that he regretted it. The lack of action motivated Snax to leave the organization in favor of mousesports, and this shortly led to parting ways with byali. Pawel, out of politeness, stayed with us until Major in London, but playing under such circumstances did not please everyone.

You can see how much we lost in one year. We played at two Majors and eventually fell out of the cycle. What we had been building for several years fell apart in twelve months. The hiccups had a negative effect on the next squad. In 2019, we proved that we could play on LAN. If we only had a higher place in the rankings it would ensure us systematic competition with the best, and maybe today we could be a consistent top ten team.

That period buried Virtus.pro the most. All these player changes, resulting in instability and poor LAN performance, were harvesting. Anyway, when we got the chance to return and maybe keep the lineup - we fucked up. Who knows what the team would look like if we had won a place in the ESL Pro League for 2019.

Going into 2019, Virtus.pro entrusted you with a new, young Polish lineup, but the project ended up being a failure. What went wrong?

A new beginning should be a new opportunity for each team member to show up. Unfortunately, not all contracted players had this approach, hence why we made three changes in the first half of the year. Not everyone can adapt to the intensity and frequency of training and the constant desire to be better. For me, as a coach, it wasn't an easy period. Team's problems were accumulating, and in the meantime, I had to say goodbye to my dad, who passed away after a long illness.

I had to make many decisions alone and the weight of results, despite the enormous amount of work I put into the development and maintenance of the team, was on my shoulders. I felt a lot of pressure. However, once I got a call from Roman Dvoryankin that it was time to start working with a sport and business psychologist I was very happy about it. He (Michal Dabski) joined our team and things were getting better.

Virtus.pro finished second at V4 in 2019 with their revamped lineup after beating mousesports

The psychologist helped me lead the team on the right path and after several months of cooperation, I knew that we were going in the right direction. I have said many times that I learned so much from him and I know that I can easily bring many mechanisms to a new team.

Often, success was the beginning of problems and in our case, a good performance at V4 in Budapest meant further challenges in terms of team management. I do not intend to speak negatively about any of the players with whom I cooperated, but when I am analyzing situations coldly now, I think that the composition was chosen wrongly from the beginning. I am thinking of dedication, adaptation, and perseverance in the plan I imposed.

Additionally, in a situation where, in cooperation with a psychologist, we had built the foundations of a team that could achieve greater success, Virtus.pro decided to not extend his contract and it became harder to deal with problems. What is worse, over the course of time, several players did not like the way we had laid the foundations and they were letting me know it very ostentatiously.

Earlier this year, you said "I constantly write these notes down in a notebook to put them in order. But I have no intention to keep the acquired knowledge only to myself or to put the notebook on a shelf." If you had the ability to do something differently in the past with the knowledge you have now, what would it be?

I would have certainly forced the management to hire a sports psychologist. I admit that I disregarded this topic myself in 2017. I thought that we would be able to deal with the problems that arose on an ongoing basis, as we had in the past, but the problems ultimately overwhelmed us.

Over the years, I have developed my coaching and managing skills, but despite the not necessarily good results in 2019, cooperation with a sports psychologist helped me grow and become a more complete coach.

Continuous development is needed to maintain high performance. Searching for new and better solutions is the basis for being at the top, and finding the right ones will allow you to make a step ahead of the rest. For this, you need people who have open minds and want to go in this direction. If you stand still, you go back. That's why I think that with the right direction taken by the management of the team it is much easier to lead the players. Setting team goals is the basis of cooperation.

Many situations that occur in teams are incomprehensible to players because they go unnamed. The ability to name the processes that occur helps the players to become more mature in such situations and helps them to understand and solve the problems. The mechanisms that I learned in the previous year could have definitely helped to solve the problems arising in the old lineup.

Despite the sour end, the original Virtus.pro lineup stuck together for over four years and is considered a very successful team. Do you think that, to some degree, Virtus.pro was ahead of the curve, making role changes to refresh things, but keeping the same lineup to build on the chemistry and teamplay you have? Is there a similarity to what Astralis is perhaps now trying to do with the addition of a sixth man? (interview conducted before the JUGi announcement)

As far as I see Astralis wants to implement an innovative plan - especially for the CS:GO team. It is a model taken from team sports and is also used in the Polish team AGO. The Danes had already once been pioneers in their activities and everyone is aware of the great success they have achieved thanks to the decisions they made about the team's functioning model.

Awareness that behind your back stands another player ready to jump into your shoes and is ready to give more than you causes your "sports anger" to build, which takes you to a higher level. After such a dominant era of Astralis, motivation drops - it's inevitable. I am curious about how this matter will develop.

However, in our team, the role changes over the years caused a frequent change in the style of the game and its dynamics. It was something innovative because in most teams the underperforming player was changed, and those who did well in their roles remained in their comfort zone. In our team, this zone was often abandoned to help those who were playing worse at some point and felt uncomfortable. We were looking for new solutions, and worse spots on the maps were patched by someone else giving them a try. It automatically changed our style of play. We also often changed the role of the main sniper. Thanks to that we were unpredictable. I believe that these changes helped all of our players open their eyes more widely and be more universal.

It is worth adding that we had a lot of innovative tactics in the stratbook that the world had never seen before. Utility usage was at the highest level, especially crazy smokes strats. It certainly, at some stage, distinguished us from the rest of the teams.

The IGL and AWP role were often swapped between players, keeping things fresh

What do you think about AGO's approach to CS:GO? They seem to be trying something similar to the "Astralis model", but results haven't been that inspiring. Will their approach work on a lower level, with Polish players?

Indeed, it was initially like that - they tried to copy the Astralis model. AGO aims to create something long-term, not only a team that will be able to win one tournament in a year and disappear for the rest of it.

AGO owners treat our industry as a sport. One of the shareholders is the former owner of Legia Warsaw. They are not afraid of innovative solutions. Importantly, they work with an agency that does research and analyzes all of the players.

However, I think that for them the CSGO team is just the start to a larger project that aims to create a player base and resell them or loan them to different teams. Currently, ten players are contracted, and from the five benched players they created a second-team, from which a player can jump from day to day to the first team, I guess.

Expanding on the topic of the influence of money on performance - the Polish scene has had an influx of organizations and leagues in the last two or three years, with a high number of teams being on full-time salaries. Do you think that the amount of money coming in has actually harmed the scene? Has it made it too easy for players to get along by being average, while back in the early CS:GO or 1.6 days, you had to win championships to get by?

The only two Polish teams whose salaries were relatively high were Virtus.pro and Team Kinguin. In my opinion, the problem is a bit different. In Poland, investors want their investment to pay back in a moment and not in a few years.

Despite the fact that player salaries are not high by European standards, most organizations still do not have financial liquidity. It scares them away from further investing. I think this is why they are afraid to create a team including people who deserve to be well paid, a team that would have considerable marketing and sports value as one of the best teams in the world.

However, I agree with the issue that young players are too demanding and expect a lot of money at the start. We, the old guys, have worked for our salaries for many years and the successes we've had justify such a salary.

kuben is disappointed with the state of the Polish scene

There has been a lack of Polish teams on a top level since Virtus.pro's fall, despite a big player base and the country's history in the game. What will it take to build another top-tier Polish team? Have the departures of rallen, MICHU, dycha, and others to international teams made that impossible? Is there a Polish team right now that can do it?

I don't want to fight with Polish casters, analysts and editors, who eagerly encouraged our best players to leave the country and represent international teams, but I have a completely different opinion. It seems to me that it is impossible to carry out a full generational exchange without interfering with the most experienced coaches and players of the present time in Poland.

Of course, I understand the players who sign for international teams, but I can not understand that in a country of almost 40 million people there is no idea how to create such a team. I can immediately name a few players who would form the core of such a composition and I believe that with financial resources and proper management we would be able to get close to top 10 in the world.

What do you want to do next in your career? You mentioned sharing the knowledge you have learned so far - is there a specific region you think it would be most applicable to? Who would you like to coach?

I would like to devote myself 100% to my new job again and I have the support of my family to do it. At the moment, the region where I would work is not important to me. I am ready for any challenge. I feel hunger and want to go back to what I love to do. Share the acquired experience and spread the knowledge to the younger generation. Be an example for them and unite them. Help them realize their full potential.

I would like to work for an organization that knows which path they want to follow and have set goals, or to help them set such goals while making players feel that they are an integral part of this project, together with the coach who is not just an addition to the five players, but a person who leads the life of the team and knows how to do it. An organization in which the hierarchy is established.

As I wrote in my TwitLonger: "I wish to work among people who love this game as much as I do. Putting the ego in your pocket. Trusted. Able to confront. Willing to develop and sacrifice for the team. Adjusting their lives to a player's career, not the other way around."

I would like to work with players who are willing to develop constantly. Players who are aware that to achieve success everyone needs to work hard, and that the coach is not a magician who will come, spin his wand, and suddenly everything will start to work as it should. Anyone interested can contact me via Twitter DM, or at kuben@emine.pro.

Poland Wiktor 'TaZ' Wojtas
Wiktor 'TaZ' Wojtas
Age:
33
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.97
Maps played:
1835
KPR:
0.66
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.13
Poland Jakub 'kuben' Gurczynski
Jakub 'kuben' Gurczynski
Age:
31
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
168
KPR:
0.62
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.16
Poland Mariusz 'Loord' Cybulski
Mariusz 'Loord' Cybulski
Age:
33
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.90
Maps played:
369
KPR:
0.61
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.15
Poland Filip 'NEO' Kubski
Filip 'NEO' Kubski
Age:
32
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.97
Maps played:
1707
KPR:
0.66
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.17
Poland Janusz 'Snax' Pogorzelski
Janusz 'Snax' Pogorzelski
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
1657
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.13
Poland Paweł 'byali' Bieliński
Paweł 'byali' Bieliński
Age:
26
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
1493
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.14
Poland Jarosław 'pashaBiceps' Jarząbkowski
Jarosław 'pashaBiceps' Jarząbkowski
Age:
32
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
1592
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.13
#1
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Ukraine mAngOnice 
Aww sad moment
2020-05-21 13:01
R.I.P. the original Virtus.pro. Been my favourite team for years! There is something missing in the pro scene in 2020. It's virtus.pro.
2020-05-21 13:02
#6
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Ukraine mAngOnice 
Wha?
2020-05-21 13:02
F
2020-05-21 13:08
i cry
2020-05-21 13:34
#40
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Romania ali_nah 
GODKUBEN
2020-05-21 13:28
#11
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Denmark DanishDelight 
how many times did you two edit your comments already lol
2020-05-21 13:05
Do you support Shittralis?
2020-05-21 13:29
Shittralis_4_majors_steel_0_major
2020-05-21 13:45
steel_still_better_than_WORST_STEEL_FROM_BR
2020-05-21 14:56
BR_steel_1_major_final_NA_steel_no_Major_ever
2020-05-21 15:42
REKT him LMAO
2020-05-21 16:16
NOT COOL 😡😡😡😡😡😡
2020-05-21 18:49
sorry men ;(
2020-05-21 18:53
REKT
2020-05-21 22:35
#194
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China Rynaki 
Yo BR steel is one of the nicest pro player, why you hating on him smh
2020-05-21 17:07
i'm only saying that Joshua "BETTER STEEL" Nissan is a better player than Lucas "WORST STEEL" Lopes
2020-05-21 18:49
#91
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Denmark DanishDelight 
Do you have difficulties reading, since you are asking that question?
2020-05-21 14:09
I wanted to edit my comment and make yours look stupid. 7w7
2020-05-21 14:55
#97
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Ukraine mAngOnice 
I ony added Sad Moment and this guy straight up developed a whole new story from OMG
2020-05-21 14:12
he's plastic
2020-05-21 17:17
#199
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Ukraine mAngOnice 
More than Kardashians
2020-05-21 17:39
Wtf u tolk men)))? Virtus pro is still here , just moved to cykatown
2020-05-21 14:51
#145
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Iceland Cirros_V2 
That is actually the truth
2020-05-21 15:06
Nobody has beaten VP, but time did :(
2020-05-21 15:53
SK had beat them many times XD
2020-05-21 16:17
#239
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Switzerland Infi2k 
Yeah but whos talking bout them now? The golden five had like 8 years in total dominating cs, sk like 2? Also those wannabe neymars changing their teams, when ever they could get a better deal. They are not a team, thats just a bunch of bitches searching issues at teammates. Look where they are now
2020-05-22 16:54
Columbus and Cologne MAJORS - SK send Golden Five home LMAO (and take the trophy btw) i'm just saying many times SK beat them, cuz u write no one had beat them if not time and its not truth SK, FNC, NAVI, NIP and others beated that Golden Five boys. 8 years in TOTAL DOMINANCE? are u delsusional or on drugs? the guys can't hold even 3 months on top 1. and whats matters the current moment? we are talking about past, if we had to talk about present, even MIBR being shitt, still on scene, where is Golden Five? I mean, not a hater of Poland heroes i love Papa and TaZ, SNAX was a beast and Byali too good, NEO 1.6 GOAT, but bruh, they wasnt unbeateble, far from it.
2020-05-22 17:19
i was a g5 fan since 2005,they started to be shit after they added bot pasha though.
2020-05-22 21:02
#243
ryann | 
North America Zykleee 
pasha was a beast 2k14
2020-05-22 21:19
pasha was never a beast. a player with bot movement and bot perception can have some good frags here and there,but he was a total bot in my eyes from day 1,compared to other pros of the time.
2020-05-23 15:43
#2
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Denmark DanishDelight 
GG wp Nt VP... The Plow got old and rusty, was time for something new
2020-05-21 13:01
Not like the cykatown lineup is doing much better tho... VP cursed org.
2020-05-21 14:51
#146
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Iceland Cirros_V2 
Just bad decisions are making this "cure" being real
2020-05-21 15:07
doubt they would had done much better with their old org still though
2020-05-21 16:14
nice
2020-05-21 13:02
rip
2020-05-21 13:02
who
2020-05-21 13:02
#141
lsd | 
Poland parsnip 
newfag
2020-05-21 14:57
Signed up: 2017-02-27 nt newfag
2020-05-21 21:31
#227
lsd | 
Poland parsnip 
lmao kys
2020-05-22 11:09
#147
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Iceland Cirros_V2 
If u r new pls stfu and don't make clown out of your self
2020-05-21 15:08
Signed up: 2019-09-30 nt clown
2020-05-21 21:31
#218
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Iceland Cirros_V2 
V2- second acc? Lol
2020-05-21 21:38
Lol this is my 3st account. You prob were still in diapers when I was on HLTV.
2020-05-22 12:06
#234
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Iceland Cirros_V2 
Well then you are retarded if u don't know kuben, so idk if it's better
2020-05-22 14:44
Probably a washed up "pro" going coach and was relevant 5 years ago. Rofl
2020-05-22 14:53
#235
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Iceland Cirros_V2 
"3st" lmao
2020-05-22 14:45
#244
ryann | 
North America Zykleee 
"3st" lmao
2020-05-22 21:20
#254
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Finland veganisti 
"3st" lmao
2020-05-23 16:38
stop while you're ahead
2020-05-21 16:58
ez
2020-05-21 20:54
Calm down junior.
2020-05-22 07:14
#8
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Poland Perakk 
rip
2020-05-21 13:03
F
2020-05-21 13:03
#10
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Asia wtfmens12345 
f
2020-05-21 13:04
#12
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Poland BoczQ 
;'C F
2020-05-21 13:05
This is so sad honestly
2020-05-21 13:06
#14
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Netherlands SportingNL 
F
2020-05-21 13:06
#15
Xyp9x | 
China Autumn7 
F
2020-05-21 13:07
#17
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United States @Fridzu 
F
2020-05-21 13:08
so fckn sad
2020-05-21 13:08
#19
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China hdgamerrr 
Missed the old virtus pro.Really solid and competitive team back in the old days.Virtus pro era ends with Astralis rising.
2020-05-21 13:09
if VP would win Major in Atlanta,Kraków maybe we would still watch them today
2020-05-21 14:46
#128
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China hdgamerrr 
That match in Atlanta was so close,Astralis managed to comeback in trian is ridiculous.
2020-05-21 14:48
Yeah. The choke after such great lead on Train definitely caused a lot of internal problems/drama for VP. Astralis pretty much destroyed VP.
2020-05-21 14:53
#144
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China hdgamerrr 
If Astralis was not so good these years.Teams like Liquid,Faze or Navi could dominant the scene.
2020-05-21 15:05
Na'vi lulW
2020-05-21 15:26
#154
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China hdgamerrr 
Navi get rekt by Astralis in many play offs.They were good when zeus is still playing.
2020-05-21 15:36
okay carried by s1mple and electronic. Maybe good for some stretch in 2018 but utter trash in 2019.
2020-05-21 15:36
#156
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China hdgamerrr 
Still some solid results in these two years.You can't compare every team to Astralis,that's just brutal.
2020-05-21 15:38
I think FaZe had better results and Liquid too. For me Na'vi is not in same line as them if you take time period since 2017.
2020-05-21 15:40
#162
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China hdgamerrr 
True.
2020-05-21 15:45
#165
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Russia Evil_DaviD1 
Na'Vi at this time was a shitty team with seized on IGL role....
2020-05-21 15:52
#167
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China hdgamerrr 
Na'vi was really good in 2018.I'm talking about these years not just 2017 or 2019
2020-05-21 15:53
#182
NEO | 
Poland furleppe 
Partly probably yes, but they still destroyed Astralis at Dreamhack Masters after Atlanta Major. Maybe if they won Atlanta instead of Dreamhack, Taz would have never got the mercedes xD
2020-05-21 16:31
#20
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Poland Jancz1 
F for Legend team
2020-05-21 13:09
#21
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Malaysia Suno[t] 
Professeur wtf, the original trio was luq, taz and neo. kuben and loord came a year later. Other than that great interview :)
2020-05-21 13:11
#22
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Netherlands SportingNL 
Cry is free
2020-05-21 13:13
#24
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Malaysia Suno[t] 
this is basic polish cs golden five history. I cringe in terror
2020-05-21 13:14
The partnership of kuben, TaZ, and NEO predates CS:GO. The trio united in 2006, forming the original Golden Five lineup which was dominant in Counter-Strike 1.6 until 2008, after which Jarosław "pashaBiceps" Jarząbkowski joined the squad. Where do I say kuben, taz, and neo is the original trio? Yes, LUq was there before kuben but LUq is not relevant to this story at all
2020-05-21 13:27
#101
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Malaysia Suno[t] 
"The trio united in 2006, forming the original Golden Five lineup" This implied that they were the original trio which isn't the case
2020-05-21 14:16
#109
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Malaysia Suno[t] 
Also end of 2008 - beginning of 2009 kuben was replaced by pionas for a couple of matches. and in 2009 luq played mostly until he was replaced by pasha at the end of the year. Should say until 2009 anyway
2020-05-21 14:22
#150
NiKo | 
Croatia mimi031 
I met neo (as a player not irl) when they played in pentagram(kuben luq Pasha taz, neo) . That was after golden five if im right.
2020-05-21 15:19
Pentagram didn't had pasha. It was taz, loord, kuben, lua and neo.
2020-05-21 19:16
You're misunderstanding. He's saying those 3 players came together in 2006 when they formed the Golden Five. Luq, loord and Pasha are irrelevant to his statement, it's about how long Taz, Neo and kuben were together. Example: Luq was replaced by Pasha in 08 (I think, can't remember if it was this late), this means Kuben was with Taz and Neo longer than either Luq or Pasha. Loord is in the same boat, as he departed when they brought in Snax and byali. Basically, THE TRIO formed in 2006, and the Golden Five is only mentioned because it was the nickname of the original Taz, Neo, Luq, loord and kuben lineup.
2020-05-22 07:28
#153
Poland MJP 
Taz , Neo , Luq , kuben , Loord - thas first golden 5 - Loord was a clutch master liek Xyp9x Then was change , pasha for Luq. I know this cuz i was playing with them in GryNet polish champion back 200. Then new VP show up , with snax and byali
2020-05-21 15:30
#158
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Malaysia Suno[t] 
wtf whats ur ign :O
2020-05-21 15:40
#161
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Malaysia Suno[t] 
2020-05-21 15:44
#172
Poland MJP 
2020-05-21 16:10
#177
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Malaysia Suno[t] 
LOL ITS ZIBI haha. I listen to your FULL interview on thoorin show but u never replied to me in the comment box. Very interesting to know about the early days. Luq still salty after all these years LOOL.
2020-05-21 16:18
#23
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New Zealand Eauor 
Legend Kuben
2020-05-21 13:14
neo taz snax pasha byali 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
2020-05-21 13:16
So Virtus.pro was destroyed because of a car?
2020-05-21 13:16
Your team is literally your product. Here you see what happens if you don't act in the best interest of the team. Instead, you act in the best interest of single players. (ence as an earlier example: Allu worked in his interest, not of the team and see what happened) You don't need a psychologist to come to the same conclusion that it is stupid. A CSGO team is no fucking music band that lives from fights and argues... You need to be on the same page when ti comes to csgo. If you aren't then kick them.
2020-05-21 13:21
+1 eSport is so immature. The structures, etc. There's still a big room for growth and to become more "professional"...
2020-05-24 04:38
Wiktor "TwoFaced" Wojtas
2020-05-21 13:19
#114
CeRq | 
Poland RoDaK 
Janusz "Snake" Pogorzelski
2020-05-21 14:29
#208
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India TYZ4 
Pawel "Wannabe PUBG pro" Bielenski
2020-05-21 19:31
kekw
2020-05-24 20:46
#29
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Poland Topc1a 
sad
2020-05-21 13:19
f ez 4 pubg
2020-05-21 13:20
#31
Snax | 
Poland kaspr02 
F
2020-05-21 13:21
#32
NiKo | 
Maldives Fragsteal 
So it all started from Taz getting a Merc? even tho they are getting paid nicely and they could afford it? Doesn't make sense really...
2020-05-21 13:22
Yes?
2020-05-21 13:29
#48
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United Kingdom KieranFR 
You can't be that stupid surely
2020-05-21 13:30
#53
NiKo | 
Maldives Fragsteal 
How is that stupid?
2020-05-21 13:35
#58
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United Kingdom KieranFR 
You can't just give one person in a team something like that and not expect any animosity from the other players.
2020-05-21 13:44
If i play together with a guy *for some years* and we're literally family, and he writes a fucking meme on twitter and actually wins a merc* why the flying donkeyfuck would i be mad at all? I'd just tell him to drive me to places like some private driver omegaLUL
2020-05-21 13:51
#69
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United Kingdom KieranFR 
If you can't see the problem with this then it's not even worth talking to you.
2020-05-21 13:57
Ofc there is a problem, if you've known eachother for 2 months. These guys has known eachother for 7+ years at this point, 4 years at the point the merc happened, they were known for being a big family. If my mother gives my brother a car cus he made some kind of meme or weird bet, i'll be happy for him. not a super virgin and go cry and suck her titty, you feel me?
2020-05-21 14:00
Your shit example is saying that one guy made the meme by himself, while in csgo you cant even win a match ONLY by yourself
2020-05-21 14:02
#81
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United Kingdom KieranFR 
Too hard for him to understand.
2020-05-21 14:03
Why dont you respond to me, child?
2020-05-21 14:04
Oh jesus christ ur dense. If my friend make a meme thats gonna include me and 3 other friends Then he wins it with me and 3 other friends I wouldnt be upset if he gets a prize if a prize was mentioned in the meme.
2020-05-21 14:04
Well again your shitty example just say that your friend is the one who MAKE the meme while you and your other 3 friends are the content, ofc he deserve the prize he literally the only one who make it. While this problem, its the 5 guys who did the work that make the team won the tournament
2020-05-21 14:11
I just said htat we 5 wins it, which means that all we 5 contributed. Also taz was the only one who did hte meme, its ltierally the exact same example you stupid fucking dense shite xd
2020-05-21 14:13
I would be happy for him if anything. but maybe thats just me =^)
2020-05-21 14:06
#86
NiKo | 
Maldives Fragsteal 
you're such a materialist :) you would dump your friends too over a logitech mouse...
2020-05-21 14:04
#88
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United Kingdom KieranFR 
You're special stop talking
2020-05-21 14:05
He's right though.
2020-05-21 14:10
#98
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United Kingdom KieranFR 
One of his arguments is they are millionaires so they should just buy one themselves, why should he get one free and the others buy one when they all won the tournament together, it's not like taz carried the team to the win or something. It's the moist stupid shit I have read all year. One person getting rewarded for all of their achievement.
2020-05-21 14:14
They're actual 0 iq numbskulls. All you need to know is you're right and they're fucking failures in life if they can't understand the problem. +1 brother
2020-05-21 14:56
Man you're actually pathetic, you must be Boris supporter... you're talking like you know why he got the car... do you think CEO is that dumb to give extra credit to one person knowing that could affect the whole team? and if he knew that team is going down wouldn't you think he would've bought MB to everyone? Just typical UK cu** talking like they own VP.
2020-05-21 15:29
#72
NiKo | 
Maldives Fragsteal 
Finally someone with proper answer... :D it's not like they are 5 year old's and someone took a sweet of them... I'm sure there was something more than merc :)
2020-05-21 13:59
#76 :D
2020-05-21 14:00
that's your way of thinking, not theirs. you can clearly tell the mercedes meme ruined the team's atmosphere because a) taz was the first one to get kicked and b) byali and snax start being super resentful towards the older guys which resulted in the infamous clip of byali and snax complaining live about how privileged the rest are while they are forced to grind. not everyone has the same attitude towards other people be it friends/family and byali doesn't seem that intelligent to me anyway
2020-05-21 16:50
No matter how successful and how long you are playing as a team, a biased and favoritism to only one player is always a bad thing. Taz being the only one getting the merc while in csgo literally everyone need to contribute to win even a single match, that hurted the other players.
2020-05-21 14:00
You have absolutely 0 inside information to back your claim. Also i'm sure the other players have gotten stuff too while the others havnt. In the end the only ones who wanted taz out of the team was byali and snax, and since they were ''topdogs'', obv ppl listen. but what they said the reason was was that taz skills didnt fit into the days skillset
2020-05-21 14:03
Lol yeah no shit i have 0 information if there's a favoritism or not. Imagine winning a tournament as a team when everyone contribute but only one guy got the extra prize, do you thing the other 4 will just think and say "nice menss))" ?
2020-05-21 14:06
I would? he made the meme(ish meme? Idek waht to call it lmao) and the ''public'' (fans from all teams) relatively supported the meme, posted all about it on hltv etc. If we manage to win it by then, sure as fuck, give him the car? Also i'm quite confident that any of the 4 could've borrowed the car whenever the fuq they feel like(not literally) You have to be a big virgin to go cry over other peoples gains. They're 5, yes. but he did that little ''extra'' so obv he's gonna recieve a little ''extra'' Now, as i posted above, I'm 100% sure the others have gotten things too meanwhile taz havnt. this was most likely some kind of ''revengepayback''(hope u understand what i mean, idk how to word it xd) There could be multiple reasons also as to why taz got it.
2020-05-21 14:09
Holy shit what are you never work as a team or what?
2020-05-21 14:14
Oh you're so fucking stupid i cant XDDDDD
2020-05-21 14:16
Loool said by someone who dont understand the basic and logical thinking of "jealousy" inside a team
2020-05-21 14:36
I've played in teamgames all my life, i've been in multiple teams(obv lowtier) in both cs and league, also i've been doing sports all my life, I'm CONFIDENT i know way more than you do about it. which is exactly why im saying those things you fucking spasm
2020-05-21 14:54
GL in this thread, stop crying about examples if you dont know how to read english properly, thanxxx mate. bubai!
2020-05-21 14:16
Making speculations to throw shade at someone or blame one specific person when we have absolutely 0 information about what happened except the fucking twitter is just plain up stupid and just contributes to the toxic community.
2020-05-21 14:11
Now obv noone is gonna tell their 100% intent when doing such a decision, atleast not to the public eye. but nonetheless its deffo still more reliable than your speculations.
2020-05-21 14:05
F
2020-05-21 13:23
#34
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Thailand beam2546 
Giving TaZ Benz while other get nothing is HUGE mistake. You literally make other teammates feel jealous about it. Seriously, who wouldn't jealous? Why don't you just give it to all 5 players+coach? Is it that hard since you are millionaire anyway?
2020-05-21 13:24
#45
NiKo | 
Maldives Fragsteal 
It's not like they can't afford it the same Merc :)
2020-05-21 13:30
#83
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United Kingdom KieranFR 
Stupidest argument ever, why should they have to buy one and he gets it for free? They won the tournament as a team. Actual braindead reasoning.
2020-05-21 14:04
Dumbest fucking move ever by an org, i kinda remember back when i first heard taz was given a merc, i thought it was like a personal thing, cause surely the owner can't just give him one alone. I guess some people are just dumb like that, what a retarded move
2020-05-21 14:38
#124
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Russia cuba_libre10 
"lets give millionaries free mercedes otherwise they throw a childish tantrum and destroy an iconic team"
2020-05-21 14:46
#126
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United Kingdom KieranFR 
Or don't give just one of them a mercedes and fuck the rest.... I am losing brain cells with these comments.
2020-05-21 14:49
#129
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Russia cuba_libre10 
why the fuck shouldnt he give a gift to his friend if he wants to? thats none of anyones business. Bunch of childish grown up men in VP.
2020-05-21 14:49
#135
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Thailand beam2546 
That mean owner didn't treat players equally. That's even worse. Also yes this is none of my business. Just witnessing VP CS:GO falling from stupid idea.
2020-05-21 14:54
#136
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Russia cuba_libre10 
falling from human greed
2020-05-21 14:54
falling from vp stupidity, you're no different because you can't understand the problem you numbskull.
2020-05-21 14:58
#143
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Russia cuba_libre10 
u are sad
2020-05-21 15:03
+9999 Reading this literally gives me headaches. It is absolutely irrelevant how valuable the merc is or how many each millionaire player could afford themselves. It is the gesture of appreciation that implies that not every shareholder of the team win is appreciated equally which would make EVERYONE feel bad especially if everyone worked hard for that team win.
2020-05-22 13:09
Thank you for this +1111111
2020-05-23 07:51
Except none of them was a millionaire
2020-05-21 17:17
ok i guess you wouldnt be mad if one of your co workers got a free car thats worth like 3x times ur monthly salary while u performed better at the job and got nothing
2020-05-21 19:19
F
2020-05-21 13:25
F kuben TaZ is just like Fallen twofaced bald Wojtas
2020-05-21 13:25
He realized he is running out of money, that's why he wants to get back in the scene no matter what
2020-05-21 13:25
#39
Stewie2K | 
Poland Mratu 
f
2020-05-21 13:27
this is actually sad
2020-05-21 13:28
#42
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United Kingdom KieranFR 
12 months AKA a year
2020-05-21 13:29
Smart mens))) detected
2020-05-21 13:30
#46
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Poland iDRYTOWEL 
only TaZ got BENZ ahaha it must have been sad for other teammates
2020-05-21 13:30
biggest BOT biggest price xD
2020-05-21 13:42
bntet to honoris and the polish scene will be back
2020-05-21 13:31
#51
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Poland friendlySeb 
Honestly I think the quartet of TaZ, NEO, Snax and byali still are pretty good, it's only pasha who now is trash.
2020-05-21 13:34
snax & byali good XDDDDDDDDDDD
2020-05-21 13:41
#73
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Poland friendlySeb 
Snax isn't flashy as he was before, but he plays smart, does well in a lot of positions, overall I would name him solid. Excatly same goes to byali, same situation, byali can even sometimes look really really good and carry his team.
2020-05-21 13:59
Snax and byali good? Yeah, in 2014 and 15. Only snax did keep up the level until 2016/17.
2020-05-21 13:49
#74
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Poland friendlySeb 
I'm not saying they kept level from the past, but they for sure are still maybe not flashy players, but solid ones.
2020-05-21 13:59
#71
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Japan Inlivino 
Snax and byali rarely play CS anymore isn't? at least Pasha grinding on FPL
2020-05-21 13:59
#80
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Poland friendlySeb 
Snax plays really a lot of CS rn., he is training with Illuminar and he is seenable at streams also.I don't know how it looks for byali, but he has been standing-in for AVEZ a lot of matches, so I think he plays a lot to. And pasza plays it sometimes, he is playing ESEA Open with team, and a lot of FPL to.
2020-05-21 14:02
#183
byali | 
Poland j4k4r 
Byali was playing warzone and other games for about 2 months and didn't give a fuck about cs, but now he is playing for avez, molsi got kicked and avez is doing good with him, so I can see a potential in this team for a solid tier 2.
2020-05-21 16:34
#192
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Poland friendlySeb 
I think there are better options than byali for AVEZ, but even if they add byali I think they have huge potential.
2020-05-21 17:00
#197
byali | 
Poland j4k4r 
Honestly, he isn't that good rn, in 2014-2018 he was one of the best polish players, but now I wouldn't put him even in top 10
2020-05-21 17:25
#222
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Poland friendlySeb 
I wouldn't either.
2020-05-22 02:08
tl;dr taz "twofaced" toledo destroyed VP
2020-05-21 13:35
I still remember that snax interview where he said that kuben was doin next to nothing in VP as coach (compared to lmbt in mouz). Nt paycheck stealer.
2020-05-21 13:38
#70
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Germany Neckarstadion 
The way he talked about "the old boys" like himself deserving a big salary really gave off paycheck stealer vibes from this interview not gonna lie
2020-05-21 13:58
Ok.(
2020-05-21 13:40
#60
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Denmark Tzianzhin 
Cool interview. I really miss that team :(
2020-05-21 13:47
man i like kuben so much im just nostalgic guy and following them for years now kuben loordB neo taz pasza <3
2020-05-21 13:48
-pashabot+luq
2020-05-21 13:59
#112
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Malaysia Suno[t] 
kubenB
2020-05-21 14:27
yep kubenB also :) (means beton on polish if im right) :D
2020-05-21 17:31
F :( Rest in Peace best CS:GO Roster :/
2020-05-21 13:49
Just like my relationships
2020-05-21 13:51
#66
shox | 
India iejesus 
F 😔
2020-05-21 13:53
I cry everytim
2020-05-21 13:57
#68
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Germany Neckarstadion 
Mercedes destroyed VP. F
2020-05-21 13:57
#96
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Japan Amatsuk1 
I'm not crying
2020-05-21 14:11
hltv.org/matches/2307548/astralis-vs-vir.. Ahahahahahahhahahaahahagahahagahahahahagahagahahahhaahahagahagaggagagagagaggagagahahah
2020-05-21 14:16
Was I supposed to laugh?
2020-05-21 14:41
#148
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Dominican Republic Numb_ 
idiot?
2020-05-21 15:13
#105
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Kazakhstan team_k23 
dont blame yourself and your teammates, its not your fault that valve created boring CS fuck after 2016. U can blame polish owners because polish players are trully puggers. Future in FurlaN, snatchie, GruBy? please bro. Only second promising team was eBettle, but after update of CSGO in 2016 they dissapeared.
2020-05-21 14:29
#122
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Poland dreamShow 
"Future in FurlaN, snatchie, GruBy? please bro. Only second promising team was eBettle," eBettle squad FurlaN GruBy etc THey dissappeared not cuz of CS update but due to conflicts inside the team between peet and gruby. They changed him, later they tried to change hyper and the team just disbanded.
2020-05-21 14:44
#189
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Kazakhstan team_k23 
CSGO mechanic is not fitting to proffesional CSGO as game. You can see it teams like C9, Gambit, Virtus. pro, Titan, Liquid, Mibr, Old NiP, Avangard, forZe, OpTic, Na'Vi overnight disband after winning Major Title, some prestigious tournament, or suddenly their CS skill dissapearing for a long time. I blame only valve, noone else
2020-05-21 16:57
it was terrible seeing snax almost in shock on stage after that lost major final
2020-05-21 14:17
that was the start of their decline, and the rise of Astralis
2020-05-21 14:18
what kuben do you miss free coins? disgusting
2020-05-21 14:20
Lmao polaks talking about VP again
2020-05-21 14:25
#115
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Poland humen)))) 
cuz current one is not playing any better))
2020-05-21 14:29
#116
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Poland Repo_is_fit 
0/8 Jame>Okolicious
2020-05-21 14:34
#111
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Sweden Trkmag 
Respect
2020-05-21 14:26
Sad
2020-05-21 14:28
#119
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Russia cuba_libre10 
greedy bastards that got jealous of TaZ. Sad polish morale
2020-05-21 14:40
#134
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Poland neverbait 
you ruski would do the same
2020-05-21 14:54
snax is subhuman
2020-05-21 14:42
#125
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Russia cuba_libre10 
+1
2020-05-21 14:47
i scare if it would happen to mibr
2020-05-21 14:48
#185
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Poland Feelcold 
they are already in agony
2020-05-21 16:43
#137
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Australia csRIOTgo 
If only they recruited BnTeT instead, before Gen.G snatched them. Oh well...
2020-05-21 14:54
"I understand the players who sign for international teams, but I can not understand that in a country of almost 40 million people there is no idea how to create a top team" yeah i also dont understand how thats not possible in a country of almost 83 million people tbh
2020-05-21 15:13
#224
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Poland humen)))) 
Ask India which have 1,2 billion population xD
2020-05-22 06:58
so childish to getting jeal of TAZ lul
2020-05-21 15:43
Arrogant Poles Deserved What They Got
2020-05-21 15:45
Yes silly, that happens when you build on sand.
2020-05-21 15:52
FELL APART afterwards ELEAGUE major 2017 de_train
2020-05-21 15:56
#186
byali | 
Poland j4k4r 
Last 3 rounds of overpass was also fucking throw. 14:13 2vs2 with a bomb planted, missed spray from snax youtu.be/I1vG1quCrrI?t=4137 14:14 4vs3, snax dies like an idiot, pasha dies to an ump, byali planting without cover from teammates youtu.be/I1vG1quCrrI?t=4327 14:15 running out like fucking idiot without checking position by taz youtu.be/I1vG1quCrrI?t=4490
2020-05-21 16:49
#169
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Russia Evil_DaviD1 
F. F. F. EMS One Katowice 2014 was my first CS:GO tournament what i watched. And my first match was VP vs Titan in groupstage. That's how i become a fan of VP....
2020-05-21 16:03
Atlanta [*]
2020-05-21 16:05
#173
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Brazil arunino 
let's be honest, 2 rats (snax and byali) destroyed your team
2020-05-21 16:11
mibr what?
2020-05-21 18:23
#178
byali | 
Poland j4k4r 
"However, I agree with the issue that young players are too demanding and expect a lot of money at the start. We, the old guys, have worked for our salaries for many years and the successes we've had justify such a salary." Its normal that young players expect a lot of money, because they're obviously better than 30y old grandpas, each of top 15 players last year was under 25, why would they earn less than forest or rpk for example?
2020-05-21 16:18
Mercedes ruined VP confirmed ,,I think that the increased salaries did not have such a significant impact on the bad performance of the team as the fact that some team members felt underrated because only TaZ received the Mercedes bonus. We learned about it a few months later, so it was sad that despite our long-standing friendship, anger and jealousy stewed inside - instead of enjoying the success of a teammate.,,,
2020-05-21 16:18
#180
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Russia RIMJOBOB 
" maybe today we could be a consistent top ten team." yeah this guy is a clown he really thinks 45 y old playuers could still be in top 10 team rofl
2020-05-21 16:18
#184
Sjokz | 
Romania carm34 
i cri evry tiem
2020-05-21 16:39
Because we Poles have spierdolony charakter like pasha said, sad :(
2020-05-21 16:57
#217
MICHU | 
Poland theven 
+1
2020-05-21 21:37
press f to pay respects to a legendary lineup
2020-05-21 16:59
4 years 7 months While the team wasn't from my country, it was the only team i could identify with. This team had fans all over the world. Every Arena cheered for them. Farewell VP
2020-05-21 17:02
yeah man same here. : /
2020-05-21 19:08
yes bro, will love to see that VP play again
2020-05-21 20:50
+9999 For me it's irrelevant where a roster or org is from. Sympathy inside and out of the server matter to me and nothing else. VP will never be forgotten! *salutes*
2020-05-22 13:27
#255
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Czech Republic Listek4 
same ;)
2020-05-23 16:41
#207
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Europe LoookATme 
Kuben KEK worst coach
2020-05-21 19:24
tl;dr Praises himself Blames management things could of been different pretty much sums it up.
2020-05-21 20:20
#210
tarik | 
Indonesia ro2a 
For the first time i fully read a Hltv article and it wasnt disappointing played csgo first time around boston major, later i find out that VP was good then it disappear, thats why i read this, to know their story
2020-05-21 20:50
Feels bad, I enjoy the time I've been watching VP in those gold days, Kuben is a great person and I didn't have any doubt about his efforts to take the team to new heights, GL!
2020-05-21 20:52
"I understand the players who sign for international teams, but I can not understand that in a country of almost 40 million people there is no idea how to create a top team" same for germany.. feelsbadman
2020-05-21 21:36
#219
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Hungary raffai 
rip vp :(
2020-05-21 21:50
#221
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Pakistan Retardino 
Was a huge nip fan followed and supported the getright forest core even in 1.6 but had huge respect for papito. The way they won and ended the 87-0 streak was amazing. Broke my heart seeing both of my original favs lineups fade away this way
2020-05-21 22:55
#223
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Ukraine methazine 
stop crying omg and go retire... old farts omg no one cares
2020-05-22 05:52
I've been VP fan since I was introduced to pro CS scene.. I never knew that stupid can should affect mentality of my beloved team so much :( always remember legendary plow and not that legendary Atlanta choke :/
2020-05-22 12:23
#230
s1mple | 
Italy s1mg 
VP TRASH S1MPLE IS BETTER
2020-05-22 12:48
F Great interview and article even though it made me feel sad. The Plow will live forever our hearts. Ffffffffffffffff
2020-05-22 13:17
It kinda pisses me off that he Said 12 months instead of 1 year
2020-05-22 15:06
#248
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Poland TaZ_is_bald 
why? you was counting them? kkkk at least you learn something, i thought that it is common knowledge that year have 12 months
2020-05-23 01:57
F I loved old VP
2020-05-22 15:42
So sorry to hear the bad stuff that happened to this Kazakh team :( RIP
2020-05-23 00:40
#247
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Poland TaZ_is_bald 
russian team but ok
2020-05-23 01:53
NO
2020-05-23 01:51
Why are so much sad interviews coming out, namely the parts about removing a player. First the one with Pita and NiP, now this one. ;( I'd still say the removal of Xizt is sadder than the removal of TAZ (or was described as sadder)
2020-05-23 03:26
#252
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United States gtmaniacmda 
Mercedes_Benz_destroyed_VP
2020-05-23 10:10
The best VP
2020-05-23 21:06
#257
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Brazil ValberBastos 
so fucking sad
2020-05-23 21:09
#259
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Bolivia cLutcheR7 
RIP Snax and byali ./.
2020-05-24 16:22
Im not crying youre crying
2020-05-24 20:50
Why would somebody offer a team of 5 men, 1 mercedes. What did he think would happen? Lol.
2020-05-26 15:11
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