Seven teams handed ultimatum by Valve over ownership conflict

Valve has given seven teams, including MIBR, FaZe and Evil Geniuses, five months to resolve conflicts of interest identified in ESL One: Road to Rio, HLTV.org has learned.

In an email obtained by HLTV.org, Valve explained that, after reviewing the declarations of interest provided by the teams for the first Regional Major Ranking (RMR) tournament, it found three instances of conflicts of interest that represent "a threat to the integrity of the Majors."

The biggest entanglement has Yeah at the center of it. The Brazilian team is owned by four people with ties to three different organisations: Epitacio "⁠TACO⁠" de Melo and Ricardo "⁠dead⁠" Sinigaglia (MIBR), Marcelo "⁠coldzera⁠" David (FaZe) and Wilton "⁠zews⁠" Prado (Evil Geniuses). The four co-owners allegedly don't make any decisions on behalf of the company, which has a financial agreement with the Immortals Gaming Club (IGC), MIBR's parent company. In exchange for a set annual fee, IGC has the option to buy out at most two players from Yeah in a calendar year at a set price.

coldzera and TACO are among Yeah's co-owners

Valve also identified as conflicts the fact that Christopher "⁠GeT_RiGhT⁠" Alesund is a player in Dignitas and owns a stake in NiP, and that Tomi "⁠lurppis⁠" Kovanen is part of the senior leadership of IGC and a minority shareholder of ENCE.

All teams have until the next Major, which is scheduled for November, to resolve these conflicts of interest if they intend to participate in the $2 million tournament, Valve noted. The company seems to be leaning towards enforcing a zero-tolerance policy in terms of ownership conflict from 2021 after taking a more lenient approach this year as it looked to reignite the discussion in the community about this sensitive topic.

Brazil Wilton 'zews' Prado
Wilton 'zews' Prado
Age:
32
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.80
Maps played:
142
KPR:
0.53
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.13
Brazil Marcelo 'coldzera' David
Marcelo 'coldzera' David
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.18
Maps played:
1213
KPR:
0.79
DPR:
0.61
APR:
0.11
Brazil Epitacio 'TACO' de Melo
Epitacio 'TACO' de Melo
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.93
Maps played:
1141
KPR:
0.61
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.12
Sweden Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund
Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund
Age:
30
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
1698
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.15
Brazil Ricardo 'dead' Sinigaglia
Ricardo 'dead' Sinigaglia
Age:
34
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
6
KPR:
0.59
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.08
Finland Tomi 'lurppis' Kovanen
Tomi 'lurppis' Kovanen
Age:
32
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
28
KPR:
0.63
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.17
#2
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Israel Sonnabend
ok
2020-06-08 19:04
big oof
2020-06-08 19:05
none of these teams have any chance at a top 16 at the major. including faze
2020-06-08 19:11
0/8
2020-06-08 19:19
cheh
2020-06-08 19:30
#85
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Ukraine volod1m1r
Valve remind me bunch of layers that only think about money. Thats literally what they do instead of improving the game
2020-06-08 19:20
#173
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United Kingdom alcazar4
what about this ultimatum looked like a money grab to you?
2020-06-08 19:49
#177
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Ukraine volod1m1r
Nah, but they work for it don't they? I mean all they do is paper work and the final goal is achieving money, when developing really sucks. I know that developers of games and those guys are different people working for the same company that have different jobs and work, however, my comment is about the company itself. Valve only seek money and fun.
2020-06-08 19:51
oh so the last couple of months has brought krieg nerf, awp nerf, crosshair preview, fixed stutters, new case, two new maps, lots of new features on the maps, and a bunch of optimisations, all for money?
2020-06-08 19:59
#192
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Ukraine volod1m1r
nahh that was for fun :DD Like come on, do you enjoy updates in csgo that much? I think for a game of that size they need to be like mothers, and cs has to be their child. Cases? meeeh. thats money. Features/textures on the maps are easily added. Look at Steam Workshop. Non professional people are doing more than valve ever did with that machine called cs XD Optimisation is kinda useless and hard to measure as cs is very old game. Crosshair preview? I'd not be very proud of that achievement since game came out in 2012 and THIS could be added by any modder in the community server
2020-06-08 20:02
What do a casual player like you want to be happy? New Weapons? New Gamemode? Do you want CS to turn into Team Fortress? CS is a highly competitive game. The most competitive in the world. Its the purest of all, aim and gamesense decides who wins. There are plenty of shitty games who are broken as fuck who introduce more broken shit mechanics every other month. Maybe go ahead and play overwatch or lol there you get new stuff on a regulat basis. CSGo is not perfect, but its closer to perfection than anything else...
2020-06-08 20:17
#214
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Ukraine volod1m1r
I like Team Fortress. I highly recommend you take it back. Cs will never ever be like tf because it is worse. Casual player like me played 5000 hours of csgo. I took breaks because it became boring after reaching global elite. Reaching faceit lvl 10 was more like a joke to me, pointless and time wasting. A normal, casual player like me wants cs games to be better than other games like lulorant, but it doesn't mean being the same old shit forever. Maybe because of people like you cs will never truly reach its potential as a game
2020-06-08 21:08
#241
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Czech Republic Rewask
What do you propose? You just criticize, but can't give any suggestions on how to make the game better.
2020-06-09 00:03
#256
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Ukraine volod1m1r
I'm not a developer so idk what they are capable of, but if I were, I would have listened to community more than they do. Community of cs has many ideas and wants to implement them.
2020-06-09 03:00
there is alot of exemples from communities destroy the games , if they make the game for the majority of people , it would be just another fornite
2020-06-09 11:07
#278
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Ukraine volod1m1r
For example?
2020-06-09 11:08
H1Z1 litterally was best br for a while, everyone cried about it being too hard, then they changed it and then everyone else cried, just like u are ;D
2020-06-09 16:09
#312
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Ukraine volod1m1r
H1Z1? isn't this the game that developers literally abandoned just like DayZ? Bad example. Tier3 games tbh, they never had been in a place where cs is right now
2020-06-09 16:27
lmao u dont get, i have wasted too much air on you pathetic human whose only looking to destroy
2020-06-09 16:32
8/8
2020-06-13 09:03
#347
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United States _icedtea
8/8
2020-06-14 20:55
#349
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Ukraine volod1m1r
Cry is free
2020-06-15 08:42
The valve forgot about the game, it spends on textures etc but the main thing it does not do, which is to ban these cheater rubbish from the game, every day that gets worse
2020-06-18 15:41
Listen man and listen really carefully. CS GO , and cs games in general, offering FOR FREE content you wont see anywhere else. Go right now to community servers and youll find 100 different mods to play with anyone you want. Name me a game that does that for free. Then you have cases yes and all kind of other stuff that COMMUNITY , means US, creating and can benefit from them as well. Who you think makes majority of skins ? People like us ! Who made the newest maps that made it in competitive pool ? People like us ... Do you know that they making thousands of dollars for that ? Then you have so many mods in CS GO for free aside community mods. Official mods like 2vs2 and pseudo-pubg mode etc. They might suck but you got em ... for free. You even paying for different PASSES and still making your bucks back !! Name me a game you can do that. Game is old and needs improvement , graphical mainly i agree but STOP crying over things you are totally wrong and be honest. CS GO offers x100 more things to do and play with than any other game out there for free while at the same time giving ALOT back to community either to common players or pro players and that is a fact. All this drama about patches is a damn nonsense coming from Valorant noobs ! Thats all. So stop it and go spend a fortune in valorant ( skins/pass) so you can play 4 maps competitive/custom and think it as amazing. Damn some people, brainwashed so easily.
2020-06-14 20:21
#348
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Ukraine volod1m1r
Listen carefully! Mods were created by people as a hobby, that's why they are free. People from community surely expanded csgo, but is this valve's achievement? Skyrim has lots of "free" stuff too, but it also has countless bugs! Why don't they fix that in such a game? Coming back to cases, they are for money. Don't even provide cases as a reason why csgo is good, that's pathetic. Again, skins are created by the community, VALVE ARE DOING NOTHING FOR A LONG TIME. occasionally releasing "changes to maps" are totally irrelevant. I'm not valorant fan, I've never played valorant. Passes and receiving money back? Black squad is a game you can try it out, maybe there are even more games, I just don't know. This is also repetitive game. Do you like doing passes again and again? Don't lie, you never receive money back from steam. Csgo just gives you opportunity to play the game and transfer money to steam balancw, which is valve again. Jesus, what are you talking about? Read my previous replies, brainwashed fan. Cs is not perfect by far, and you are holding it back with your lowtier taste
2020-06-15 08:39
No no no no... Mods created because VALVE let them. Try make mods for Valorant ? OOps, no mods, no community servers, no trades between items, no $$ income from passes ? Cases are for money but even with cases community benefits. Name me another game does that ! You get lucky , you get a bravo case, well done 15 bucks for you out of nowhere. You open a case, you spend 2.20, 10% of that goes to SKIN CREATORS who are people like you and me AND you have an opportunity to make x10 or more your original investement. Try that in other games, good luck. CS GO doesnt give back to community and VALVE doesnt care and Valorant does ? Really ? Rofl. Just STOP it !! In cs go i can play x100 different ways than ANY other game out there for free,. Stop it. You sound stupid because few twitchers, CSGO pro failures, said so.
2020-06-15 11:04
#351
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Ukraine volod1m1r
That's what I am saying. Valve should "stop" generously giving, but instead try to solve bugs. There are lots of them, but nobody seems to care
2020-06-15 15:48
Ok but tell me about what kind of bugs you talking about. Because i am playing CS GO since day one and aside some hitboxes or/and early performance issues i never found any bug. I know there were bugs here and there that people exploited but as of now , about what bugs you talking about that are game changing and game is bad because of them ? I dont even know.
2020-06-15 17:28
"... new case, (...) all for money?" uhhhh, what.
2020-06-09 01:41
idk because valorant?
2020-06-09 02:28
#195
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United Kingdom alcazar4
this move was pretty clearly about preserving the competitive integrity of the game, difficult to see it elsewise.
2020-06-08 20:08
#196
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Ukraine volod1m1r
No gonna deny that my comment could seem little off topic for people, which I don't really think is true. Not too difficult to see the topic from my point of view if you read my prev. replies. Have a good day!
2020-06-08 20:11
You are totally clueless about the topic. You call removing conflicts of interests from the scene mere "paper work" and for you it's sign of corporate greed. It takes literally 0 recourses from developers. I'm not sure what is your problem. If anything that shows that Valve still cares about CS:Go.
2020-06-09 07:22
#271
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Ukraine volod1m1r
You know what is my problem because I already expressed it in my replies, plus I explained myself. Don't be blind drama boy Valve are greedy, there is nothing wrong with it when I call it out. Their updates to csgo are nothing If you lool at their resources and opportunities
2020-06-09 10:24
Contrary to popular belief Valve doesn't have the same resources as Riot or Activision-Blizzard etc.
2020-06-09 11:30
#282
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Ukraine volod1m1r
Nevertheless, they have enough. Especially as founders of Steam
2020-06-09 11:33
Ok but they also have a lot of other stuff to manage besides csgo, its not like blizzard where overwatch poses a massive percentage of their income.
2020-06-14 03:14
???? can you even read
2020-06-08 19:51
#180
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Ukraine volod1m1r
Did it take you awhile to learn English being a Chinese? Just asking
2020-06-08 19:52
Valve doesnt care about money, they care about inovating stuff, that is why they made hl alyx
2020-06-08 22:05
#272
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Ukraine volod1m1r
Yeah, they should have made half life 3 instead. Plus, it shows they don't care about is if they make another game. They leave it be because "don't fix if works" but at the same time it took them 8 years to fix HE damage, maybe will take another 10 to fix smokes and anticheat. Greedy at it best, they don't lack anything, except motivation, and because more and more people protect their game, they will never change
2020-06-09 10:30
#154
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Russia _VaLT_
0/8
2020-06-08 19:39
0/8
2020-06-08 19:44
#320
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Lithuania Rock3tt
You're wrong
2020-06-09 21:15
#321
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Brazil tdurante
+1
2020-06-10 04:43
0/7
2020-06-14 16:32
Nip EG mibr Faze Yeah Dig and Ence just disband
2020-06-08 19:11
uninstall internet please, naab
2020-06-08 19:16
+1
2020-06-08 19:50
+1 washed up pros
2020-06-08 22:40
delete C:
2020-06-09 16:01
true
2020-06-11 07:52
F
2020-06-08 19:11
valve being valve...
2020-06-08 19:13
#64
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Israel Sonnabend
what did you want them to do??
2020-06-08 19:13
Not to do anything to the Brazilians if I were to guess
2020-06-08 19:19
im not saying this get right owning a part of nip isnt going to make them lose on purpose to dignitas and all that stuff on mibr side, we all know that yeah isnt even gonna make it, they are playing for experience and now if they want to ever play a major, they have to get out of yeah
2020-06-08 19:22
I'm sorry for assuming imo it's more about stopping potential abuse before it can even happen. If they let all of this stuff slide what might people try in the future
2020-06-08 19:37
apologizing on hltv, clearly u're canadian ahah valve taking no shit, it was to be assumed like for swag and AZK's match fixing (which was waaaay to harsh imo)
2020-06-08 19:48
too harsh? They got lucky they didn't get jail time.
2020-06-08 19:53
#172
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Argentina Joedash
Imagine thinking that FaZe would throw their major spot for a bunch of nomamers.
2020-06-08 19:49
You are correct, they don't want to set a precedent that could be exploited in the future
2020-06-08 19:54
u wanna play a major? play it fair...
2020-06-08 19:45
"either the roster part ways with Yeah or the players that own a % of the team sell it" is what valve is saying.
2020-06-08 20:47
Rather work on the game, take away faceit/esea and the game is just dog shit experience with plenty cheaters and turks
2020-06-09 09:33
flag check
2020-06-08 19:31
FLAG
2020-06-08 19:33
Wut
2020-06-08 19:04
rip
2020-06-08 19:04
Basically saying there is a lot of cross ownership amongst competing teams. With some players even having stake in said teams. They are trying to avoid some fucky drama in the future essentially. Like Get_Right throwing games with Dig to help NIP proceed farther in the major for his financial gain.
2020-06-11 21:47
Ty
2020-06-11 23:10
#4
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United States habibi_exe
Bot valve
2020-06-08 19:04
great
2020-06-08 19:04
ok
2020-06-08 19:04
#8
pava | 
Europe Raco_br
Lul
2020-06-08 19:04
rip
2020-06-08 19:04
#10
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Sweden Lingon
Finally
2020-06-08 19:04
Finally! Some peace of mind for Richard Lewis maybe
2020-06-08 19:05
#52
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Spain N0Love
Nah he'll find more shit in esports to get mad at
2020-06-08 19:12
#126
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Australia Ohnorepo
Good. It brings issues to the surface and allows them to be legitimately scrutinized.
2020-06-08 19:30
But I'd rather let Valve find issues on their own than listening to a hypocrite cuckold.
2020-06-09 09:15
#269
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Spain N0Love
If there wouldn't be people like Richard Lewis Valve wouldn't do shit over cases like these. Look at IBP. Valve literally avoided to interfere until evidence was brought to their feet and smelled so bad they were basically forced to act. You can dislike Richard Lewis that's alrirght I don't like everything he does or says but nevertheless, he does a great service to the competetive integrity of the scene.
2020-06-09 10:09
#339
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Canada gatssbyy
so many people struggle to understand this. People think that he just likes to get mad at shit but it really does a lot for the community in releasing some really important issues that wouldn't be heard otherwise
2020-06-13 18:59
#303
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Australia Ohnorepo
Even if Valve handled issues on their own, independent sources are very valuable. Not to mention is helps avoid bias. There's a reason many groups aren't allowed to police themselves. Your outlook is incredibly short sighted.
2020-06-09 14:31
+1 I tweeted RL so he could get quick peace of mind
2020-06-08 23:51
why
2020-06-08 19:05
maybe read the article? In an email obtained by HLTV.org, Valve explained that, after reviewing the declarations of interest provided by the teams for the first Regional Major Ranking (RMR) tournament, it found three instances of conflicts of interest that represent "a threat to the integrity of the Majors."
2020-06-08 19:06
yeah i mean why valve so insistent on this. Financial business is different from competitive matches
2020-06-08 19:08
conflict of interests. that yeah/mibr(immortals) case is great example of it...they are literally their parent company, can buy players from them for set price etc. can easily see them to let mibr win for exmple
2020-06-08 19:13
HAHAHAHAHHA they let EG win too and everyone, right bro. Not everyone is as dumb as iBP to throw matches for money into the major
2020-06-08 19:21
i didnt want to bash directly mibrs players or mibr/immortals in general. my point was that ALL conflicts of interests should be forbiden without any exceptions. i only used mibr as an example bcs its BY FAR the worst case from those mentioned in this article.
2020-06-08 19:23
Yeah it is the worst case 'cause they are linked with a lot of organizations. What i meant is that YeaH wouldnt qualify 'cause they are below a lot of NA teams, also they wouldnt throw their careers to guatantee a vague in a team, its non sense.
2020-06-08 19:29
like i already said i dont want to be specific. i only used this case bcs its the most obvious one. the thing that they wont most likely make it doesnt mean that conflict of interest is ok. its not ok in any case on any level and there should be no exceptions. mibr/yeah will maybe not match fix but the possibility is still here and just because mibr/yeah wont most likely make it doesnt mean that some other teams wont make it as well. this is without a doubt good move from valve. better late than never
2020-06-08 19:33
#58
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Spain N0Love
Lol no it isn't. Is it that hard to understand what a conflict of interest looks like?
2020-06-08 19:13
well not good at finance :(
2020-06-08 19:14
Bet youre good at eating bat soup
2020-06-08 19:29
0/8
2020-06-08 19:31
stfu corona boy
2020-06-08 19:34
0/8
2020-06-08 19:35
look at me i post the same thing as i am not creative enough to think of something
2020-06-09 09:27
why should i be that childish to reply something new
2020-06-10 09:31
because "financial business" can interfere with the integrity of competitive matches
2020-06-08 19:14
Actual dumb comment
2020-06-08 19:15
yeah i just forgot the case of matchfixing im stupid:(
2020-06-08 19:20
No biggie, my opinion doesn't matter. I just voice it cause I'm bored
2020-06-08 19:26
actually wtf
2020-06-08 19:05
#33
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Spain VIKTORAL
keep fakeflagging
2020-06-08 19:08
my amigo!
2020-06-08 19:13
nice finally
2020-06-08 19:05
#31
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Spain VIKTORAL
+1
2020-06-08 19:07
#16
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Hungary fasomlul
interesting
2020-06-08 19:05
Valve strikes down once more
2020-06-08 19:05
nice
2020-06-08 19:05
#20
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Poland Hanse
FINNALY
2020-06-08 19:05
Nice but this should have been resolved before rtr
2020-06-08 19:07
#23
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United States brbsalt
finally gabelord
2020-06-08 19:06
#24
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Brazil Lostty
ok
2020-06-08 19:06
cool
2020-06-08 19:06
Finally. Nice move by Valve.
2020-06-08 19:07
#61
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Spain N0Love
+1
2020-06-08 19:13
finally. that yeah/mibr(immortals) case is ridiculous...
2020-06-08 19:07
about time
2020-06-08 19:07
#30
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Russia amc20
RIP yeah
2020-06-08 19:07
GabeN ain't taking any more shit
2020-06-08 19:07
#34
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Brazil sakaaa
RIP Yeah, no major for them. But that's okay, i'd rather see Boom there anyways
2020-06-08 19:08
Their chances to get throght is really low indeed
2020-06-08 19:22
#35
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Australia |bruh|
HAHA GET FUCKED
2020-06-08 19:08
thanks Gaben
2020-06-08 19:09
Scam
2020-06-08 19:08
A bit late tbh
2020-06-08 19:08
#63
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Spain N0Love
Better later than never
2020-06-08 19:13
true
2020-06-08 19:14
Gtr would have to sell his ENCE part Sad
2020-06-08 20:59
Good job Volvo
2020-06-08 19:08
get fucked
2020-06-08 19:09
XD
2020-06-08 19:10
#42
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Switzerland x676
Nice
2020-06-08 19:09
#44
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Russia EveryDayOk
Ok.
2020-06-08 19:10
DAMMIT
2020-06-08 19:11
valve sh*t
2020-06-08 19:11
flag checks out
2020-06-09 11:46
rip
2020-06-08 19:12
Yeah!
2020-06-08 19:12
#56
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United States Scvboy1
Who thought that 4 current player creating another team was a good idea?
2020-06-08 19:12
they thought free rigged wins are great x)
2020-06-08 19:22
Maybe we should hand an ultimatum to valve for not releasing source 2😎 YEA or NAY?
2020-06-08 19:12
Finally
2020-06-08 19:13
Shut the fuck up corona boy
2020-06-08 19:28
Lmao
2020-06-08 21:50
Very rude!
2020-06-08 23:07
WTF?
2020-06-08 19:14
lmao
2020-06-08 19:15
Lul
2020-06-08 19:16
very interesting
2020-06-08 19:16
Funny how Thorin shit talked Astralis everyday for their conflict of interest with Blast at the time but we never heard anything about the conflict of interest with his good friend lurppis :>
2020-06-08 19:17
i am not defending thorin but the astralis case was way different than lurppis having a little bit of stock in ence,
2020-06-09 09:28
Just TACO leave the team and Dead being "removed" from coaching ez
2020-06-08 19:18
AHHAHAHAHAHA Mibr not going to RIO LMAO
2020-06-08 19:19
Did you even read the article? It doesnt say "Valve is going to throw them out", it clearly says: "All teams have until the next Major, which is scheduled for November, to resolve these conflicts of interest if they intend to participate in the $2 million tournament, Valve noted." Also, Rio happening as a LAN? lol no, forget about it man.
2020-06-08 19:24
I was baiting to trigger some brasilians
2020-06-08 19:25
Alright, just checking lol.
2020-06-08 19:25
#224
kNgV- | 
Brazil sAA_
Nah dude u just dumb
2020-06-08 22:18
Reported
2020-06-14 20:20
He didnt even read nvm
2020-06-08 19:30
LOL ONLY WAY TO RESOLVE THESE CONFLICTS IS TO NOT PARTICIPATE OR SELL YOUR SHARE
2020-06-08 19:19
Good, yeah throwing in rtr so mibr can get a win was just disgusting.
2020-06-08 19:20
#86
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Malaysia Suno[t]
lol lurppis have been talking about stock jargons and the market and what not he finally came relevant here haha
2020-06-08 19:20
Guys, contact me, will buy your part of ownership for 10euros
2020-06-08 19:20
I give 11 euro
2020-06-08 19:22
Wtf, that's not allowed
2020-06-08 19:23
Ence not going to major anyway??????????????
2020-06-08 19:21
#91
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Argentina Demianctn
brazy
2020-06-08 19:21
Finally RIP Riggers :(
2020-06-08 19:21
#93
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Sweden Lagge15
How about Espada and Team Spirit?
2020-06-08 19:21
+1 i found it odd on that Road to Rio tournament no one was talking about it
2020-06-16 14:46
#355
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Sweden Lagge15
Latest announcement is from 2017 or 2018 where they separated. But I've talked to DeKay and to people who work in the CIS scene. They are still connected.
2020-06-16 15:00
OK, that's BS. It is 100% sure that lurppis cannot affect ENCE nor MIBR results, and for sure get_right will throw against NiP over some two stocks, sure he will. The Yeah thing sounds so weird that IDK what goes on there. Basically Valve tries to take control of people's possibility for income after playing career in the name of "integrity".
2020-06-08 19:21
competitive integrity is the single most important thing, without it this game and esports scene is rendered pointless. i'm not 100% up-to-date in the lurppis case but active players or coaches or anyone involved into company's decision making simply shouldn't be allowed to hold stocks of any opposing teams.
2020-06-08 19:32
I am pretty sure Immortals is far more interested in lurppis' integrity than volvo will ever actually be. lurppis doesn't even own immortals, just works there. You maybe could have a case with get_right, but again dignitas might step in with way higher interest towards the case than volvo would. Sure if someone has majority say at two different teams, the integrity question is real. But not when there are internally way higher stakes involved with the integrity issues. The companies and involved individuals will keep things in line. Otherwise they will lose their jobs, stocks, and face legal actions from these companies.
2020-06-08 19:43
No thats not how it works, competetive integrity is a all or nothing kind of thing, either you completely ignore it and just allow throws and scripted shit to happen or you ban all of it, even in the smallest margin possible. Im so surprised by htlv , one day you guys want the most pure competetive experience and shit on fb for their cs deal but then if players, coaches or other industry people own stakes in one or more teams that theyre also potentially competing against thats somehow fine
2020-06-08 23:04
So what prevents that from happeing without ownership? Nothing. The integrity issues are only real, when one has power over both parties or can exchange classifed information for their own gain. People should be more concerned that ESL owns share of G2. There's a real integrity issue.
2020-06-09 15:15
Taco, dead, cold and Zews formed an org while they were together in MIBR, and now they are spreaded through 4 teams. Whats is so hard to understand?
2020-06-08 19:36
I am referring to the deal with immortals.
2020-06-08 19:44
+1 Yeah will not pass, why are people so worried
2020-06-09 02:22
Yeah wouldn't qualify anyway most likely. Dignitas same. ENCE I think won't play because they have Jamppi, or will they play with xseveN? If they play with xseveN they won't achieve anything at major to. Making problems of something like this feels bad.
2020-06-08 19:21
Theyll play Valve's shit with xseven
2020-06-08 19:56
I mean, xseveN isn't that bad, he just has problem with inconsistency, if he could fix it he would be good for ENCE because I think they need good support player.
2020-06-08 23:25
I think hes fine support, jamppis just too good to dismiss so someone had to go
2020-06-08 23:45
It was still an upgrade, and it was good choice to kick xseveN.
2020-06-09 00:31
Ence and Mibr don't even play same qualifiers
2020-06-08 19:22
I didn't understand what is the problem of the guy that is from a club owns a little of another. Like he has the main decision of what to do in both...
2020-06-08 19:26
flag checks out
2020-06-09 11:46
I was talking about Lurppis, but i understand your difficult m8
2020-06-09 17:59
#103
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Europe LoookATme
LOL
2020-06-08 19:23
#106
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Romania ViolentJ
wat
2020-06-08 19:24
Of course Brazil is most corrupt :D
2020-06-08 19:25
1) They do nothing to improve the game 2) We are watching lot of teams and comunity members going to Valorant. 3) Lots of unfair banniment they dont treat as serious they could! 4) The game became a Shit for new members since they set a free account without a good anti-cheat! Wtf valve is doing for our community? everything they can make to worst the cene they do! Why they are against the game development?! Do you know what? Probably for them are be better that players invest theirs money in other games instead of counter strike! They should thanks Cold, Taco, Zews, Dead, Get_Right to put their money in a game that the founder wants to destroy!
2020-06-08 19:26
C O N F L I C T - O F - I N T E R E S T btw go to valorant if you like it so much, bye.
2020-06-09 11:41
Who are you to tell what the community members to do? For me is very clear that there is no interest conflict when we talk about yeah that has no chance in the major qualify.... Is like a Cristiano Ronaldo having a contract of a player in the Second division o italy being charged of interest conflict due to italy cup concerns... come on!
2020-06-09 16:08
Nice!!
2020-06-08 19:25
Nice Valve! +respect gained
2020-06-08 19:27
Sell it to ur relative
2020-06-08 19:28
Ok valve
2020-06-08 19:28
Kick coldzera ez
2020-06-08 19:30
#129
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Europe t.o.p
ok valve
2020-06-08 19:31
BIG only owned by Jermans. We might own all of EU financially but no conflict of interest here, Jermans win again!
2020-06-08 19:31
what the hell they've actually done something
2020-06-08 19:31
Yes and no
2020-06-08 19:33
expected from Volvo
2020-06-08 19:31
They'll just hide their ownership deeper :D
2020-06-08 19:34
name checks out :D
2020-06-09 11:42
expected
2020-06-08 19:34
Why the fck volvo even care who and what owns?
2020-06-08 19:35
i dont care... icona vop
2020-06-08 19:35
#146
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North America Straf3R
laughs in retied Ukrainian IGL
2020-06-08 19:36
+one lightning strike
2020-06-09 11:42
Just ban yeah and get right issue solved ez pz
2020-06-08 19:37
Yea Valve, this seems more important than a working VAC system, detailed ELO System and Ranking, complete rework of the Trash Factor...
2020-06-08 19:38
one thing doesn't deny the other. this is obviously very important for the competitve scene, casual scene is another construction site
2020-06-08 19:43
#151
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Hungary Glng
uh oh
2020-06-08 19:38
stonkz
2020-06-08 19:38
Cry_Right retire FFS
2020-06-08 19:39
Omega_lul
2020-06-08 19:41
#158
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Brazil hugoooo
They should care more about making sure that every lan tournament has sound-proof booths.
2020-06-08 19:41
+1
2020-06-08 19:42
flag checks out.
2020-06-09 11:43
Good
2020-06-08 19:41
what even is the issue then? They just own part of another team? Doesnt mean they play/make decisions for it?
2020-06-08 19:44
expected from middle ages country with oil
2020-06-09 11:44
Interesting thing is hadn't lurppis have any stakes in ence when major major final run happened?
2020-06-08 19:45
Whys that? I remember him being there from the very beginning of ence but dont really know if he sold his share at some point.
2020-06-08 19:58
I was meaning that why is a problem only now?
2020-06-09 01:04
#168
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Poland Kobel_
Yeah rip the idea of reviving Academy teams then
2020-06-08 19:45
it's unreal that people can own stock from a team and then work for another one, and these teams compete with each other.
2020-06-08 19:49
eSports is basically just a couple huge holdings that profit off of rich kids who watch streams all day and buy merch
2020-06-08 19:52
what i have understood, is that orgs rarely make profit only some
2020-06-08 19:55
This. Its mostly and logically bad business like real sports are too.
2020-06-08 20:00
I'm glad Valve being strict about this. Those involved people are unlikely to do anything bad because they should know better. However, if one person in a weak moment does something scandal at a Major, that will do some severe damages to the scene that may take years to recover if possible at all. No companies would like to be associated with an esport that has some ridiculous scandal at its highest level of competition.
2020-06-08 19:52
#185
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Europe DoktorEgg
Crazy that they give them until the major to resolve it. If there was actually going to be any funny business then it seems far more likely to occur during the qualifying.
2020-06-08 19:58
that sucks to be honest, that you can't hold shares of multiple companies
2020-06-08 19:58
You can they just cant be competing against you in the same tournament because that creates potential conflicts of interest
2020-06-08 21:15
Good. The last thing that cs needs is players or coaches owning stakes in teams that they play against. Talk about a conflict of interest.
2020-06-08 19:59
So they just sell their minor shares and everythings fine again?
2020-06-08 20:01
#197
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Lebanon Dogman69
yes
2020-06-08 20:13
smart mens
2020-06-09 11:45
#194
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Pakistan LoOuU2
So all these guys gotta do is either sell their shares or the orgs should cut ties with them?
2020-06-08 20:05
better decision than Jamppi ban for life
2020-06-08 20:14
Finally. Awfully late per ValveTime, but this is certainly a step forward. Next address the egregious case of mibr vs yeah, that match was never supposed to take place
2020-06-08 20:28
#202
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Russia Glihhh
BrUh
2020-06-08 20:32
I'm just laughing at some HLTV kids not understanding these kind of things and being confused. :D
2020-06-08 20:45
I understood orgs having several top teams didn't make any sense but come on GTR owning a small stake in NIP? or brazilians players owning a BR team? ok so what? who the fuck cares.
2020-06-08 20:47
ENCE and MIBR aren't even playing the same qualifier Yeah and DIG will not qualify most likely
2020-06-09 02:25
Say what you whant but Valve is The boss.
2020-06-08 20:55
#212
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United States nANDO111
- taco, add new upcoming talent - dead, add alive person ez fix, 3rd major inc
2020-06-08 20:56
+1 -TACO - dead +felps +Gio
2020-06-09 02:25
Thank goodness, finally Valve :)
2020-06-08 21:13
If only they were this strict about Astralis owning Blast and only playing that tournament
2020-06-08 21:19
This would maybe have made sence if it was 2019
2020-06-08 22:22
#230
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Finland 0lter
nah
2020-06-08 22:42
Well they dont.
2020-06-08 23:30
Blast is a TO not a team. Why should Valve care about 3rd party tournaments? They care for fair competition in their own tournaments
2020-06-09 11:10
Very nice!
2020-06-08 22:20
valve trying to kill matchfix... nice
2020-06-08 22:41
#229
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Finland 0lter
oh crap
2020-06-08 22:41
This is the dumbest shit I've ever seen.
2020-06-08 22:43
it's a huge prizepool and an expensive tournament. it's better to enforce rules now than risk a huge expensive lawsuit and investigation when sketchy player-owned teams inevitably fuck up and do unscrupulous things in the future
2020-06-08 23:39
+1000
2020-06-09 16:00
FaZe should have picked up jamppi its not like theyd win anyway
2020-06-08 23:16
Yeah's problem is so easy to solve. All the players and dead "sells" their stakes in the team for Camila (dead's wife and CEO from the team) while they still get to decide everything. GG.
2020-06-08 23:36
#254
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Brazil dkf
Typical brazillian. It's not as simple as that. Worst case they might face fraud (actual crime of civil fraud) charges in the future if at any point it's proven that they are the real owners, or if it never comes to that they could always be banned by Valve from their competitions if they find out. If they earn money through it (which is the whole point) they would need to file the tax report properly too, and if they don't that's another crime, tax evasion.
2020-06-09 02:52
Seriously, mate? I am obviously joking... Although if there is similarities between business law between here and I'm USA, it's totally doable and legal... I don't even want to go deep into it. But obviously they wouldn't receive any legal money from it. I really don't know much about business law in US, but if you take Brazil for instance, this wouldn't be considered fraud because they are selling it ta a major stakeholder right now, so it's not really illegal. One thing is the in the paper, the other is the practice. Camila could be a straw man for them and obviously they wouldn't receive any legal money. In this country this is so easy to do, I see this in lawsuits at least twice per month, in which you know it's a fraud and you can't prove it, lol. Even more in acquisition process. But yeah, I don't know what I am talking about...
2020-06-09 07:40
#311
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Brazil dkf
I see, you are joking, but at the same time you talking seriously too, what a dumbass. It's illegal both in Brazil and in the US. It's not illegal to sell the company, it's illegal to pretend you selled it and be a "hidden owner".
2020-06-09 16:16
I just talked how it's easily doable and you don't get caught here. I am not talking about legality. But you can't even argue without talking shit, so fuck off.
2020-06-09 17:06
#318
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Brazil dkf
Assaulting people on the streets is doable too, it's still a crime.
2020-06-09 19:42
Valve just wanna make the impression that they care about the game lul
2020-06-09 00:04
flag checks out. why not adress the problem. only deflecting, typical 10% mentally unstable brasil fanbase.
2020-06-09 11:49
Nice Valve, working in interest conflicts instead of Source 2. Let's wait until VALORANT steals all players.
2020-06-09 02:23
flag checks out. you are also in the 10%. everything wrong in your comment.
2020-06-09 11:50
??? Which 10% And it's my problem, not yours, if my comment is wrong or not You're jerman, your flag checks out more than any
2020-06-09 13:35
if do not like interaction, why you are on a forum then. 10% mentally unstable fan base.
2020-06-09 13:52
99% mentally unstable 1% canadians
2020-06-09 19:37
Man wtf I made a joke comment And then you come and blame at me I think YOU are mentally unstable from this 10%, 150% are jermans
2020-06-09 19:58
Yeah
2020-06-10 10:31
Valve doesnt have proper anticheat but then they denied peoples income :D
2020-06-09 02:25
Valve is dumb. When you have conflicts of interest you have a list of people who can matchfix. They remove the list and then don't know who is throwing.
2020-06-09 02:27
you need evidence. Also, it is toxic for the scene if teams always accused of match-fixing that is why Valve made this rule.
2020-06-09 11:06
#257
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North America onionmesh
good job valve on making a good decision for the pro scene
2020-06-09 04:42
pita charity money again?
2020-06-09 05:50
Big if trues
2020-06-09 06:52
"Yeah" will become MIBR.Academy? lol Concerning Get_Right and lurppis, it's a shame they will have to sell their share only to make Valve happy... Oh yeah Valve: it's time to work on Half-Life 3 ;)
2020-06-09 09:22
#273
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Ukraine Dert38
finally valve treating sport like a sport xD
2020-06-09 10:39
for MIBR and YEAh conflict should have started sooner. This is ridiculous that they played against each other.
2020-06-09 11:05
+1 volvo too slow
2020-06-09 11:51
cya matchfixers
2020-06-09 11:47
#295
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Brazil llskll
Valorant when? Valorant can't be worse than that How can valve let they play for qualify to after that ultimatum them ?!
2020-06-09 11:49
another 10%er
2020-06-09 11:51
kek
2020-06-09 14:25
LoL basically they don't wanna people to invest in the esport. I would love to see all those teams saying fuckyou valve and going to valorants.
2020-06-09 17:58
brazilian brain
2020-06-11 14:45
More than enough to immigrate to your country, it seems that you don't have a brain to run your own country,
2020-06-11 16:20
stfu i pay for your food
2020-06-11 16:28
nt, but it's me that pay your food with my taxes.
2020-06-11 16:36
Sorry, I didn't mean to be toxic.
2020-06-11 20:07
We both were toxic
2020-06-11 20:09
get_right to retire over this? I would think. I wonder if this will force any of the Brazilians to retire as well...
2020-06-11 00:17
no wonder old nip never could beat the young nip..never was even close games
2020-06-11 02:44
Or because they’re grandpas and that 87-0 was like a decade ago
2020-06-12 17:50
yup 16-5'd by nip on two maps then beat top2 fnatic 2-0 LUL good point. remember when ibp vs'd netcode guides when dazed owned that team? use ur murican brain
2020-06-12 21:14
don't see an issue with this? The only person this hurt is TACO cause he stealing paychecks
2020-06-14 06:22
Which doesn't mean they don't exist
2020-06-14 06:25
OK!!
2020-06-15 19:43
Honestly that Yeah and MIBR match should've never happened, it was ibp all over again, and Spirit and Espada playing in the same tournament, but they didn't face each other fortunately
2020-06-16 15:01
Oh
2020-06-21 19:40
#359
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Australia .depuTy
well done valve
2020-06-22 02:17
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