Pros comment on MR12 viability

We spoke to representatives from teams that competed in the Gamers Without Borders charity tournament, in which the MR12 format (first team to 13 rounds wins) was playtested - and heard their impressions on its competitive viability.

The charity event that took place at the end of May, featuring teams such as Natus Vincere, mousesports, FaZe, and fnatic, was peculiar due to the usage of the "max rounds 12" format, instead of the "max rounds 15" that is currently featured in all competitions. To find out what the professionals thought about it and if there is a competitive future for it, we reached out to players and coaches from some of the competing sides.

YNk isn't a big fan of the format and would rather change the economy

Talking about initial impressions, Maikil "⁠Golden⁠" Selim admitted that he barely had time to test it adequately since fnatic were eliminated in the first game after a swift 2-0 by OG (13-7, 13-7). FaZe's Janko "⁠YNk⁠" Paunović wasn't impressed by the format, claiming that pistol rounds and anti-ecos had too big of an impact, while Allan "⁠Rejin⁠" Petersen disagreed with the notion, citing mousesports' experience from the grand final versus Natus Vincere. The two grand finalists got to experience MR12 the most, playing eight maps each, but Andrey "⁠B1ad3⁠" Gorodenskiy still feels like the sample size was too small to figure out all of the pros and cons.

Read the first MR12 impressions of B1ad3, Golden, Rejin, and YNk below:

"I don't like it. Actually I played competitively MR12 a long time ago, it was in the early 2000s, I even tried tournaments with a timelimit 30 minutes and it was fun - but the best format is MR15. It gives you more chances to outplay your opponent. Also, you can always come back into the game if you had a bad start and eventually the better team wins." - B1ad3

"[First impressions?] Damn, that went fast." - Golden

"MR12 was in general pretty good, I was afraid that pistol rounds would have a bigger impact, but in fact, against NAVI we won both pistols on Inferno and lost the map. We also went 0/8 in pistols in the first four maps and it still ended 2-2. The BO5 (even with overtime) did not feel so long and I actually enjoyed it. That being said, I think the economy is the biggest troublemaker when we are talking about the time it takes to play out a map." - Rejin

"I disliked MR12, pistol rounds are way too important since if you win both and convert the anti-ecos, you are halfway through victory pretty much." - YNk

Talking about MR12's competitive viability, three out of four pros think the format is viable but would require changes to either the pistol rounds or the economy. B1ad3 noted that fewer rounds would make every round more valuable, leading to more elaborate gameplans but also the need for more timeouts — to counter the stronger snowball effect.

Read what the pros think about MR12's competitive viability below:

"Of course MR12 has competitive viability but we we haven't played it enough to find out all pros and cons. Obviously fewer rounds mean fewer tactics so you must make them very sharp. It probably creates poor variability for viewers. Higher importance of pistol and anti-force rounds, overall each round will have more value. So you need to have a very elaborate gameplan and to think twice about your in-game decisions. It means a lot of teams will play slower on T, more carefully. Also, the snowball effect will need less effort. To prevent that, I would add two more timeouts per map, so three per side. Honestly, I think MR15 is the best anyway. It's very balanced." - B1ad3

"MR12 could have competitive viability, but the pistol rounds and economy would have to adapt" - Golden

"I think MR12 for sure has competitive viability. But again, I am not certain that it is the correct thing to do. We used to play MR12 and then changed it due to the money situation, and then the economy changed so MR12 is for sure viable. Again, I am not saying this is the perfect solution and I am sure someone with a big brain will figure something out!" - Rejin

"I don't think MR12 has competitive viability, MR15 is ideal in my opinion since it gives you enough opportunity to come back into a game even if you lose the pistols or have some unlucky rounds. I believe that if we just tweak the economy a bit it will be a much better change than switching to MR12." - YNk

Theorycrafting new formats, changing pistol rounds, and updating the economy were addressed in a recent HLTV Confirmed show, which also featured Rejin. For a deeper discussion about MR12, click play on the video below.

Serbia Janko 'YNk' Paunović
Janko 'YNk' Paunović
Age:
28
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.97
Maps played:
117
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.70
APR:
0.13
Sweden Maikil 'Golden' Selim
Maikil 'Golden' Selim
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.92
Maps played:
701
KPR:
0.62
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.14
Ukraine Andrey 'B1ad3' Gorodenskiy
Andrey 'B1ad3' Gorodenskiy
Age:
33
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.83
Maps played:
899
KPR:
0.58
DPR:
0.73
APR:
0.16
Denmark Allan 'Rejin' Petersen
Allan 'Rejin' Petersen
Age:
32
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.80
Maps played:
39
KPR:
0.59
DPR:
0.78
APR:
0.14
#1
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Canada cobainnn 
very nice
2020-06-14 14:19
I comment on mr12 viability: shit shit shit, shit, shit, no comebacks, nothing, 7-8, lost pistol = 7-11, first gun round low utility = already GG, no second half, KEKW ps. hire me as analyst pls, because they clearly dont understand it, or got paid to promote it, i wont sell my soul to valulrant
2020-06-14 14:26
if best to 13 would happen than they would change halftimes to 12 rounds tho so 6-6
2020-06-14 14:29
and i would start playing competetive roblox csgo
2020-06-14 14:32
#92
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Brazil BRAZlL 
Counterblox aways better than csgo.
2020-06-14 14:46
real og here
2020-06-14 15:16
+1
2020-06-14 18:08
+10
2020-06-14 19:07
+99
2020-06-16 20:55
#123
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Latvia IzzoR 
so a pistol means you instantly win a half of the 1st half nice.
2020-06-14 15:25
#187
REZ | 
Chile Nozkur 
pistol and force rounds*
2020-06-14 22:24
#188
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Latvia IzzoR 
doesnt matter if a team isnt braindead its a 2-0 or 3-0 start
2020-06-14 22:24
#194
REZ | 
Chile Nozkur 
ok.
2020-06-15 01:39
It indeed seems like that even the most basic math is too hard for some people. Shorter halfs always mean more value for pistol rounds. There is nothing more to it. 1/15 or 1/11. 1/11 is higher without statistical analysis on played maps :D
2020-06-14 14:30
yeah, i giggled after reading rejins words a bit
2020-06-14 14:32
#114
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Europe jigglepeek 
no way 1/15 is more cause 15 is more than 11.
2020-06-14 15:06
7 + 8 is not 12. An even half would be 5-6, loose pistol 5-7.
2020-06-14 14:32
sorry if im wrong because i didnt even watch that tournament, i just tuned in for a single map (train), some team switched to ct, they had good T side, but lost ct pistol, they got their first gun round when they already were 2 rounds away from losing the map, at that point i closed the stream because i understood its a failure of a format in current scenario it still wouldve been a decent scoreline for CT sided map such as train, but at that point the game was lost already
2020-06-14 14:34
what you saw would be closer to a 12-3 and then loosing pistol. But of course, in MR12 games where the second half is very short would be more frequent. Thats part of the idea though: Make the games shorter overall so people dont need so much time to watch them. Probably not ideal for everybody, but nice for casual fans...
2020-06-14 14:41
#117
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Ukraine volanchick 
So stfu if you didn't watch at least couple matches being as mr12
2020-06-14 15:14
5 + 6 = 12?
2020-06-14 14:42
#136
pinto | 
Brazil GrilO_O 
Kkkkkkkkjjjj
2020-06-14 15:49
#148
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Germany DavLy 
5+6=12 kk
2020-06-14 16:18
mr12, remove pistols
2020-06-14 16:18
Based on this comment I would never hire you as an analyst.
2020-06-14 18:15
MR 15 THE BEST.
2020-06-15 01:31
7-8 side switch in MR12 nice maths bro
2020-06-15 10:37
#207
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Croatia Gobolino 
you idiot
2020-06-16 14:17
Not viable go play valorant instead noob simple big baiter kid toxic
2020-06-14 18:51
interesting
2020-06-14 14:20
cool
2020-06-14 14:20
#5
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Belgium Ipufobanned 
Remove pistol rounds and you have a good format
2020-06-14 14:20
#19
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Netherlands SpiceNut 
What would replace the pistol rounds?
2020-06-14 14:24
#38
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Poland Hanse 
Nothing, just change their value. Pistol round now is equal to 3 free rounds for winner. After pistol round just set everyones money to 4500$ to skip eco + bonus money teams got from bomb plants/bounty.
2020-06-14 14:27
#128
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Netherlands SpiceNut 
I understand what you mean, but there are so many force buys that pan out well, so maybe it might work even better if you have more loss money from the first lost round. With the extra money your forcebuy can be even stronger
2020-06-14 15:35
have you played the game? You can just Eco after pistol round and and play 3rd like pretty normal. Removing pistol rounds is stupid. thats the fundamental thing of CS. That and economy is what makes this game great. as ynk here pointed out economy needs to get some tweeking and thats it.
2020-06-14 19:34
#177
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Poland Hanse 
So... exactly what I want?
2020-06-14 19:48
No. Pistols rounds are OK and doesnt need any change :) Only economy tweeks must happen with Round loss bonus increment.
2020-06-14 20:19
#50
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Finland Pitsa31 
Nothing. Both teams have about 4-7k money at first round.
2020-06-14 14:29
autosniper round
2020-06-14 14:30
#82
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Sweden FL4XY 
this
2020-06-14 14:42
Remove pistol round and you have Rainbow Six.
2020-06-14 14:44
remove the economy and add in 400000 game breaking bugs and you have r6s
2020-06-14 19:28
Shield exploit and Clash exploit lol
2020-06-14 20:32
hitreg, barricades, walls, shrapnel from explosives, vaulting, certain gun scopes, etc. it made me quit the game
2020-06-14 20:50
agreed. Or give them little bit more money so they can do half buy (SMG+armor and (maybe) few nades). That at least give more depth to teams..
2020-06-14 14:56
remove pistol round and you have call of duty
2020-06-14 15:27
#6
NEO | 
Poland ScR1337 
mr12 is shit af
2020-06-14 14:20
STFU retards, MR12 is trash than MR15, never will happen that for csgo, go valorant and stfu about mr12 in this game noooobs. PROS COMMENT ON MR12 VIABILITY" , they need to stop talk about that and play valorant if they want mr12, if they need to talk about serious problems in this game, like fps drops, bugs, players, tactics, teams, etc not about trash mr12, this community is so retarded...
2020-06-14 14:24
so mad for no reason
2020-06-14 14:23
I don;t care, i am not mad, just say what happen, we need changes serious in csgo , like maps, bugs, fps, graphics, not mr12, this is 0 for csgo, need something serious not trashes
2020-06-14 14:25
-2 iq take
2020-06-14 14:26
U have 12 years, what can i do for u ? U are kid anyway, u don;t understand this game, i said something serious for this game, what problems exists in this game and u rage me, good job dog, talk more trash country
2020-06-14 14:27
changing the game time would actually do a lot for the game and make it more viable for more people and not "graphics", bugs are getting fixed constantly
2020-06-14 14:28
Agreed valorant is trash and boring. Fakeflag?
2020-06-14 14:46
Maybe =))
2020-06-14 14:47
uwu gimme kiss xx
2020-06-14 14:48
:* =)) ok ?
2020-06-14 14:48
Auauau im dog
2020-06-14 15:13
he is mad for a reason, just because some dogshit game has it, doesnt mean we should put it into cs.. there was money involved im sure, and we cant accept that its literally valorant propaganda
2020-06-14 14:28
they were just discussing it, it was 1.6 already, why not see what happens?
2020-06-14 14:29
wdym what happens? what can happen? if anything we always wanted longer series (bo5) why? to make chances for a fluke as low as possible, we shouldnt change that, they could discuss playing more rounds.. more significant and harder comebacks, but if u really a good team u can do it, less fluke, not the other way around
2020-06-14 14:31
Let him man, he have 12 years maxim, what u want to say him... he is just a kid, let him to say what he want, this game have more bugs and problems than mr12 about no one care and 98% players don;t want that, we have more problems in csgo than mr12 shit
2020-06-14 14:35
yeah how dare people discuss mr12, its not like hltv is fucking valve, you're a 15 year old kid pretending to know shit
2020-06-14 14:38
ok go talk alone here, u are so dumb and noob for this game... talk more pls
2020-06-14 14:39
We don;t need discussing like this, 90% players from csgo don;t care about that, when >60% players from csgo don;t have fps, so much bugs and more what i said upper, u talk enough man
2020-06-14 14:33
IQ
2020-06-14 14:30
not coming form valorant do cs used to be played as mr12 it was pretty fun to watch defently what they are trying to implement its the viewers joy not the game itself cgs was spectacular back then oon eurosport live tv
2020-06-14 14:58
Mr12 big bad
2020-06-14 14:21
MR15 better
2020-06-14 14:21
#10
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Germany iMystic2k 
KEKW
2020-06-14 14:21
#11
ropz | 
Sweden FreddyLL 
Mr12 is garbage. /closed
2020-06-14 14:22
#17
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Liechtenstein 2002GOD 
+1
2020-06-14 14:23
/open +1 /closed
2020-06-14 14:24
/opened Omg smart german ... Tou are the only person said +1 after opening the comment Its cool /closed
2020-06-19 09:08
+1
2020-06-14 14:28
#78
NAF | 
Iran Strider0 
+1
2020-06-14 14:41
#98
Sadokist | 
Other Tgsu 
+9999
2020-06-14 14:48
#133
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Ukraine volod1m1r 
+1 longer games plz
2020-06-14 15:43
#146
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Germany B0B0B 
+1
2020-06-14 16:18
+1
2020-06-17 06:25
Mr12 small pp
2020-06-14 14:22
#13
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Jordan Ksokhtakenta 
>pros >G♿LDEN
2020-06-14 14:22
they legit asked 3 coaches and only person u crying about is an actual player
2020-06-14 14:25
#90
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India Noobdian 
🤣🤣🤣🤣👌 Ok
2020-06-14 14:46
cool
2020-06-14 14:22
God, only thing I want that matches wont end in 12-13 scoreline. I hate that in valorant. Best of X should be an even number like in MR15 aka best of 30.
2020-06-14 14:23
MR12 didn't include one-round overtime in the Gamers Without Borders, OT was MR2
2020-06-14 14:28
yeah thats cool too, like in table tennis. As long as we have ovetime
2020-06-14 14:31
MR12 is trash, mousesports only like it cause its the first tournament they didn't get destroyed in smh
2020-06-14 14:23
MR12 will ruin competitive cs
2020-06-14 14:24
#23
nex | 
Germany LighT1337 
Blad3 still alive? Where is he?
2020-06-14 14:24
leading navi to top 1
2020-06-14 14:25
NAVI COACH
2020-06-14 14:52
#143
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Russia ToughGuy 
NaVi coach since september hello???
2020-06-14 16:11
#24
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
gogo MR12. Its good system.
2020-06-14 14:25
#25
apEX | 
France MarcoXY 
Pls MR13 no 12
2020-06-14 14:25
Plz stop your Mr12 propaganda crap. Only analyst and caster want it cuz they hate their job obv. If you hate your job change your job as easy as that.
2020-06-14 14:25
+1
2020-06-14 14:32
+1
2020-06-14 14:33
ain't it funny how most of the people promoting and supporting MR12 in CSGO don't actually play the game professionally. It's either 'talent' or coaches
2020-06-14 14:47
"talent" wants to "work" less hours in events
2020-06-26 20:10
discussion = propaganda. nice brain s0mple fan
2020-06-14 15:19
propaganda "repeat your opinion over and over again and make the conclusion = this is the best. Go back to your kindergarten and learn what propaganda means.
2020-06-14 16:47
There are multiple opinions posted here tho. Nt
2020-06-14 16:59
First, make it a big topic pro Mr12 on a live stream The make a charity event with mr12 then make an mr12 to fake a "discussion" so people believe other opinons are welcome Next 3 month you will read a lot more about mr12 and then everyone believes mr12 is better that is how propaganda wqorks
2020-06-14 17:03
#138
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Brazil Karlogaria 
+1. If CS eventually becomes MR12 then analysts casters and stuff like that should earn less as they would cover less too
2020-06-14 15:53
#31
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Russia rsvt 
I hope this topic never comes back cuz MR12 is really shit and we should just go to early CSGO economy which was ideal And also make goddamn pistols/SMGs less powerful
2020-06-14 14:25
#32
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Poland Kurwa_Jebana 
> Pro's > Ynk, Blade, Rejin, Golden LMAO ok i know they are top tier coach and golden is an alright player i guess but no. MR12 fucking no, its a piece of shit system i watch na'vi vs mouse, it was cancer i hated it.
2020-06-14 14:26
Ynk said it's bad btw
2020-06-14 14:48
coaches are pros too when you leave MM you will notice
2020-06-17 06:27
#216
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Poland Kurwa_Jebana 
lol i dont play csgo anymore, full of cheaters i just watch esports now. Also nobody calls coaches by "pro's" so its a clickbait news thread title.
2020-06-17 11:44
#33
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Ukraine SuperZed 
MR15 > MR12 < MR 18
2020-06-14 14:26
#89
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India Noobdian 
MR18? Bruh
2020-06-14 14:45
#185
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Ukraine SuperZed 
Joke, OMG
2020-06-14 21:37
#169
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Belgium zthoui 
wtf is a MR15 > < MR18
2020-06-14 18:55
#186
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Ukraine SuperZed 
OMG Joke...
2020-06-14 21:37
#35
flusha | 
World loopoos 
the valorant effect
2020-06-14 14:27
to be honest, most fps games have had mr12 since forever. CS was always the lone exception.
2020-06-23 13:34
and guess what, csgo has always been the best
2020-06-26 20:12
you are mistaken my friend cs was md12 back in the day, befoore going 16
2020-07-01 20:35
oh ok i didnt play in those times i guess.
2020-07-01 23:44
#42
Grim | 
Thailand beam2546 
MR12 is trash
2020-06-14 14:28
#43
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Russia Evil_DaviD1 
mr12 is a fucking shit, lol
2020-06-14 14:28
WE DON;T CARE MR12, IS SO TRASH AND CSGO IS NOT VALORANT, STOP TALK ABOUT SHITS AND LET'S TALK ABOUT SERIOUS PROBLEMS IN THIS GAME, BUGS, FPS DROPS, MAPS, PROBLEMS, NOT MR12 BLA BLA BLA
2020-06-14 14:28
MR2 is shit
2020-06-14 14:29
#88
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India Noobdian 
Yeah win pistol win game why so ez 2 rounds
2020-06-14 14:44
MR12 is shit for the way CS plays, it has so many flaws. Just because it works for other games it's not a thing CS should follow. MR15 keeps CS competitive and enjoyable for both players and viewers as was already pointed out.
2020-06-14 14:31
#86
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India Noobdian 
+1
2020-06-14 14:44
#64
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Finland Pitsa31 
Cs will never grow audience if the games will take as much time as they take in MR15. Plus in Mr15 there is more those boring rounds. Just give teams 4-7k money at the start so pistol round dont have so big impact.
2020-06-14 14:32
Do you want cs fans or do you just want fans? I prefer CS fans cuz they actually care. In Dota Valve made in 14/15 a big Dota change. What hapüpened? China market explode rest of the world lives by cash cows. From the 20+ Million prizemoney comes now from a lot fewer fans that pay more. Cuz valve makes a choice against the fanbase that loved Dota how it was. Blizzard tries for years to get fans in OW, Sc2 etc and tried to destroy wc3. Guess who lives still today??? wc3 without any help from Blizzard. You only get good games when your fanbase enjoy it and not just random fans that will switch as soon as possible hen they see better things.
2020-06-14 14:39
Bullshit, if you want an arcade game go play Valorant or CoD. What CS needs is preserving something what makes it unique, keeping the game's soul is very important for its longevity and building a legacy. What you want is a mistake so many other games have done already, a truly good game knows its own strengths and keeps true to itself. That's what the people want, not a dozen games on the market and all clones of each other.
2020-06-14 14:44
#99
jks | 
Australia Rene_Gade 
+1 ... I've learned too much about the casters personal lives and opinions because of them filling up junk rounds.
2020-06-14 14:50
CS doesn't need to grow, it already has the strongest large fanbase of any game out there. Most other games that have a larger fanbase than CSGO have fans that will switch to any new game the moment it comes out, but CSGO, even despite an actual competitor that directly targets it still maintains most of its fanbase.
2020-06-14 14:53
MR12 is trash
2020-06-14 14:33
#70
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Turkey PrimeNumber 
Nerf CT weapons and give a real try.
2020-06-14 14:36
#71
zon1Q | 
Germany iigga 
Valorant : GO
2020-06-14 14:37
#74
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Poland bot_taz 
fuck off, if you change to MR12 i will never watch a competetive match ever again
2020-06-14 14:39
#79
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Brazil babzkL 
Why does Valve bring all of the cancerous aspects of Valorant into csgo when no one even asked for it. The worst thing is that they only copy from the best game out there aside from csgo because of its popularity, not because they actually think the format is good.
2020-06-14 14:42
valve does everything except put more than 0.05% of their earnings into a prizepool
2020-06-14 19:38
Co rules
2020-06-14 14:42
#83
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India Noobdian 
MR12 shit Valorant even shittier All washed up orgless pros going to valo who cars irrelevant
2020-06-14 14:43
#100
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Poland Po_Prostu 
they forgot that they play for public no tlike: bruh today i dont want to play too much so i gonna play mr12 and earn money us usuall
2020-06-14 14:50
#101
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Poland SebL 
I don't think changing the format is neccesary, as YNk said only change the economy a bit.
2020-06-14 14:50
MR12 IS ASS
2020-06-14 14:51
others: actually gives statement golden: haha mr12 vroom vroom
2020-06-14 14:52
#107
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Spain R1G3L 
Why is nobody talking about Golden’s ”damn, that was fast”? 😂
2020-06-14 14:56
#110
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United States Spankoflex 
Yo, that line was... golden. *BA-DUM-TISS*!
2020-06-14 15:01
#115
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Spain R1G3L 
I see you’re a man of culture as well
2020-06-14 15:13
#108
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Liechtenstein 2002GOD 
MR12 suck go play valorant
2020-06-14 14:57
Are B1ad3 and YNk "Pros"???? I aren't think that
2020-06-14 15:00
#112
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Denmark Jonasnhj 
Idk, for the Major it should always stay MR15. To make it more interesting.
2020-06-14 15:02
#113
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Ukraine ksay 
stop pushing this mr12 fromat all people want is less flukes and more comebacks/excitement
2020-06-14 15:05
Do something to a pistol round then! Now if you lose the first round of a half you play one round with pistols against SMGs and then even if you buy rifles you have no enough money for a full set of grenades and your opponents has all the money in the world. In mr15 you have 12-13 rounds that you may buy rifles in, in mr12 you have less than that by 3 rounds. It's fucked up since you have less chances of coming back after a pistol loss.
2020-06-14 15:17
#120
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Poland Kobel_ 
MR12 only works in Valorant because the game was made with this format in mind, with economy, skill cooldowns and so forth adjusted to this system To make it work in CS:GO we'd need to completetely revamp the economy. One of the players mentioned BO5 being actually enjoyable with MR - yeah, because it's shorter. BO5 mostly end up being a snoozefest if the teams aren't very evenly matched. One good series with this format I have in mind is SK - VP from Epicenter '17.
2020-06-14 15:19
#191
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Switzerland f3ni_ 
Jep, a economy change is definetly needed. I mean it can't be it that u plant the bomb as a terrorist, loose the pistol round and end up with a better buy than the cts. But MR12 would be great for BO5, because tbh, they are way to long for casuals and some hardcore fans (I'd declare myself as one)
2020-06-14 23:46
#122
Archi | 
United Kingdom KainZ 
MR12 Zzzzzz
2020-06-14 15:25
#126
EliGE | 
Europe xSKYY 
games last to long cuz of all these shitty pauses, when was the last time a game was just played out w/o interruption?
2020-06-14 15:30
Furia match yesterday with Liquid took 3h and a half full of tech pauses, i say this format is ideal, too much time a match can take
2020-06-19 11:33
#129
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Pakistan LoOuU2 
YNK smart as always.
2020-06-14 15:35
#131
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World Beard43 
+1
2020-06-14 15:36
His coaching pays off indeed.. lm♿️O 😂
2020-06-14 15:42
#130
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World Beard43 
If you want CS to change to MR12, please just fuck right off to Valorant.
2020-06-14 15:35
"Yeah it has competitive viability but we need to adapt ;;;;(((((" Wtf scrubs that's the case literally EVERY time something changes in the game stop crying
2020-06-14 15:44
#135
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Germany ConAction 
Honestly who even comes up with the idea off MR12 fucking Pimp or what? MR15 is totally fine, its actually perfect in fact MR12 is SHIT! Fact
2020-06-14 15:45
#137
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Brazil Karlogaria 
Why change something that is a characteristic of CS and has worked well for so long? That would completely change the game and make CS move as if the rhythm is dictated by this Valorant shit. MR12 is for Valorant generation Z kids who would rather see games ending faster than having more long-term strategies Also this Pimp dude with stupid opinions and debate raising is really annoying
2020-06-14 15:54
didnt enjoy mr12 in GWB tourney, esp since they used normal economy, was pretty weird
2020-06-14 16:02
tldr: its shit
2020-06-14 16:08
Rejin with the 0/8 huh
2020-06-14 16:09
pls don't
2020-06-14 16:10
#144
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Poland aiken 
MR12 makes only sense if first loss bonus is 1900 so you never have to eco twice in a row (not only after pistol round).
2020-06-14 16:12
agreed, mr12 didn't work at all during gamers without borders cause of this
2020-06-14 16:14
CS:Valorant
2020-06-14 16:23
MR12 would be better for FaZe since they have no tactics and no IGL.
2020-06-14 16:33
fuck mr12, all my homies hate mr12
2020-06-14 16:36
irl sports teams only play a few hours a week, gamers are getting trolled
2020-06-14 16:44
A lot of pros are against game change, they're pretty much in his comum world. Remember when valve add molotov? If not, search at in hltv have the comments xd. Imagine cs without molly rn.
2020-06-14 17:25
not neccesary :((
2020-06-14 17:40
mr12 @ 2003
2020-06-14 17:58
#162
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
I'm glad it was tried and tested properly and officially but I hope that is where they leave MR12 be.
2020-06-14 18:18
#163
NiKo | 
Morocco royflord 
just fucking quit this dumb idea
2020-06-14 18:19
where are the opinions of people of color, HLTV? Don't our experiences from a place of hardship mean anything to you? This piece is problematic.
2020-06-14 18:21
#166
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Japan Inlivino 
MR12 is trash, it's too fast
2020-06-14 18:26
mr12 is too quick, hate it!
2020-06-14 18:48
EZ BIG
2020-06-14 19:10
Not a fan of mr12 at all. Economy change would have to be massive to allow that format (and u really don't want to gamble with csgo these days). You want shorter matches, more causal viewers? More action packed game? Make round length shorter. Yes, i know we used to have that, but that can be said about mr12 as well. Make rounds 10-15 seconds shorter, adjust smokes, only 2 timeouts per team. Breaks between maps doesn't have to have 15 minutes. There is a lot to figure out BEFORE jumping into MR12 for sure.
2020-06-14 21:00
I mean, competitive CS was MR12 for a long time and there is a reason it changed. The variance is simply too high.
2020-06-14 21:25
the "pros" you got are coaches... ynk? reinn? blade? when have we ever heard these names?? golden sure but he's probably about to get kicked for olof. mr12 is about the viewers not tryna commit 3 hours to every bo3 game. fuck these "pros"
2020-06-14 21:27
#189
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China HEIDASHUAi 
No MR15 is fine
2020-06-14 23:23
#190
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Greece her-1g 
Midway and bds and all these guys back in 2002 knew why they ditched mr12 for mr15. No need for discussion
2020-06-14 23:35
-shorter breaks between maps and halfs. -take 20-25 seconds from round time -make smoke to last max 10 seconds -adjust the economy that after lost pistol round you have 2 ecos and then every round will be full buy until end of half,so pistols will stay still important but then action every round,its boring to watch full buy vs full eco,its impossible to win if your opponent doesnt have Hampus in the pit on inferno and reloading with 25 bullets in m4
2020-06-15 00:23
#195
tarik | 
Indonesia ro2a 
this is aint valulrant the formula worked for 20 years...
2020-06-15 04:05
Shorter games...More entertaining...
2020-06-15 05:13
sounds like shit
2020-06-15 09:40
#201
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Japan mameloff 
I like pistol rounds and eco-rounds. It's the same for me as a player and as a viewer. Limited throws and ingenious maneuvers. the 1.6 eco-round was really hopeless, but CSGO. is only slightly more likely. The excitement of the French team and Fnatic winning the eco-round is very important. If you choose the MR12 rules you need to update all your money systems. That includes weapon prices and kill awards. However, I'm not sure if it can be called Counter-Strike.
2020-06-15 11:14
+1
2020-06-16 04:06
#202
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Mongolia NothingToSay 
please no omg.
2020-06-15 15:42
#203
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Brazil wololo10 
2 pistols and you have half of the points to win the map, nonsense
2020-06-15 16:49
O yeah, nice Valve. Valorant got in crosshair in options, 1 month later Valve copy it to CS. Valorant has 13 rounds, after 2 months Valve copy it. This company is so washed up, they can't do anything new and they can't even do good copy.
2020-06-15 20:13
KEKorant stole almost everything from CS I think Valve has every right to copy and paste anything they see fit for CS. Plus I don't think Valve decides the format of the tournaments and how many rounds there will be in a game (except the majors maybe)
2020-06-17 02:27
-1
2020-06-17 06:29
Lmao Valve had no say in the choosing of the format.
2020-06-20 16:47
#206
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France Vam00s 
what about : Bo1 = MR 15 Bo3 = MR12 ? more fight for bo1 and less time and nrg for Bo3 that are SOOOO LONG (not talking about Bo5)
2020-06-16 05:47
#208
f0rest | 
Romania hope12 
mr12 with starting money 10k, and go from there..
2020-06-16 14:25
Valorant is such a shitty game. I don't get why people are so afraid and confused about this format. Cs is a tested formula that works perfectly for years, I doubt that anyone will risk anything just to stay ahead of shitty copycat like Valorant.
2020-06-17 02:21
i dont really think valorant will be the next new shit but tbh a lot of people are pretty tired of CS. Yes its tested and yes it works but it becomes boring after 100 years. The game engine, the maps, the balance, the performance, all that stuff is not up to date anymore and valve obv doesnt give a flying fuck about updating it. Since Valorant they finally started to patch a bit but even that is way too slow to really see any progress.
2020-06-23 13:38
Even before Valorant Valve started to patch the game more often than not. And I think it was because of PUBG and Fortnite. All of the updates made the game better, the problem is l: why do we need a shitty copycat or other trendy game to make Valve care. There were questionable updates, but you have to agree that the game is in its best state ever.
2020-06-23 17:06
#212
tr1p | 
United States Rambeard 
they didn't have a problem with it back in the early 2000's
2020-06-17 02:54
#217
Aleksib | 
Egypt Tywin 
huh?
2020-06-17 16:24
to be honest, most fps games have had mr12 since forever. CS was always the lone exception. Why are people referring to valorant when mr12 is literally standard since 20 years LOL
2020-06-23 13:35
We, the competitors, have changed it from 12 to 15, because of PISTOL ROUNDS Please remember that Win 2x pistol = 6 rounds, you dont want half of the match decided by pistols and ecos
2020-06-23 16:25
its not guaranteed that you win 3 rounds if u win the pistol
2020-06-24 18:33
Guys we need to improve, valorant can do it we can do it.
2020-06-25 12:00
MR12 > MR15
2020-06-29 01:01
#231
s1mple | 
Brazil s1mg 
who cars ?
2020-06-29 14:53
make mr8 pls, cs is so fucking boring. most people dont want to sit 45mins and watch some bots shooting at each other....
2020-07-01 07:54
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