Causing Chaos: How leaf and Xeppaa have emerged as North America's next prospects

The names of Nathan "⁠leaf⁠" Orf and Erick "⁠Xeppaa⁠" Bach have only recently gained traction in the wider Counter-Strike community, making headlines as they became the newest members of Joshua "⁠steel⁠" Nissan’s Chaos roster. In North America, however, both players have been on the rise for almost two years, impressing with their form in ESEA leagues and smaller events alongside the likes of Michael "⁠Grim⁠" Wince, who is reportedly poised to sign for Liquid.

As they have only recently ascended to the upper echelon of the circuit, their tales are ones that have not been told — especially since leaf was unable to play in MDL and ESL Pro League until he recently turned 16, artificially capping his growth. That lack of exposure to players and teams at the top level led to them being the subject of abuse and harassment from some of the Brazilian Counter-Strike fanbase after Chaos sent MIBR down to the lower bracket of the Regional Qualifier for cs_summit 6 North America, with Gabriel "⁠FalleN⁠" Toledo and Brazilian caster Alexandre "⁠gAuLeS⁠" Chiqueta alleging that both players may have cheated in the match, partly due to them being unknown quantities.

Members of the community and other players were swift to step up in defense of the Chaos newcomers, especially those who had borne witness to their rise through the ranks of North American Counter-Strike. Those who had played with them in the past also expressed how they had witnessed first-hand how skilled the duo were and the time they had dedicated to improving at the game. When contacted by HLTV.org, former teammates drew specific attention to not just the aiming ability of Xeppaa and leaf, but how they handled communication in-game and how solid their game sense was in a region where both of those qualities are severely lacking. What may surprise those unfamiliar with their individual stories, though, is that it was the younger of the two players who picked up the game first.

Despite being the older of the two, Xeppaa picked up Counter-Strike after leaf

leaf explained to HLTV.org how, at the age of eight, he had watched his brother play minigames and jailbreak community mods in CS: Source and bought the game himself before later pre-ordering CS:GO, quickly rising to the rank of Global Elite in 2013, when he began to play the game in earnest. Shortly afterward, leaf asked his father to purchase an ESEA subscription for him, playing as a stand-in on an Open team during his first league season at the age of 11 because he still had a bedtime of 8 PM before making his return on an Intermediate team in Season 25, a lineup which also featured Triumph AWPer Paytyn "⁠junior⁠" Johnson.

The youngster then had his legs cut out from under him just as he rose to prominence through strong showings in Seasons 28 and 29, with organizers imposing the aforementioned age requirement of 16 for players who wished to compete in MDL or ESL Pro League. Despite the setback, leaf was picked up by Zone for ESEA Advanced S30 after he demonstrated good form in FPL-C, going on to help them to secure promotion to MDL with a first place finish in playoffs by averaging a 1.19 rating over 19 maps. "Winning Advanced was obviously a pretty big moment, it made around half of MDL know who I was if they didn’t know me from FPL-C," leaf said of the victory. "Obviously it was a huge punch in the face to win the season and not be able to play the next division up, that makes you feel disappointed. At the time I didn’t really get upset as I knew it was going to happen half way through the season and there was nothing I could do about it, so I just made sure my team won the season."

The in-game leader of Zone, Alexander "⁠zander⁠" Diaz, described the situation regarding leaf being unable to play in MDL after earning promotion as "sh*tty" before going on to praise him as one of his favourite teammates. He expressed admiration towards leaf’s commitment to the game despite his health issues with Crohn’s disease, mentioning that even with those real-life hardships, he was never late for practice, always warmed up, and continuously strived to improve at the game. "No matter what leaf did wrong, he always wanted to find a way to fix it," zander stated. "Even if it seemed unfixable or not his fault, he always wanted to find a way to make it better. When we first played he was like a sponge and everything I said just got soaked up and he learned extremely fast."

Conversely, Xeppaa arrived much later to the party, only picking up the game in 2015 and playing it on a more casual basis. "I didn't know what CS:GO was," Xeppaa recalled when asked about how he was introduced to the title. "I played Minecraft for a while and a friend that I played with at the time bought me the game." Although Xeppaa did not know it, his friend’s $15 purchase had just laid the foundation for what would go on to be Xeppaa's future career. Of course, it wasn’t immediately apparent that he would be a talent that could compete at the top level. His first appearance on HLTV came in the DreamHack Winter 2017 open qualifier, where he posted a 0.73 rating as part of Problematic. With them, Xeppaa went from ESEA Intermediate to Advanced in four seasons, eventually parting ways at the end of September 2018.

It was around this time that Xeppaa graduated from high school and moved away from his hometown, and also when he began to take Counter-Strike seriously. After closing out ESEA Advanced S29 on a different roster, Xeppaa made the jump up to MDL by joining Infamous in January 2019, linking up with in-game leader Josh "⁠JoshRT⁠" Lee, who had found him through Rank G and was in need of a fifth player. His rise from here was rapid, impressing notable names in the scene through his performances both in league and on PUG platforms.

"I asked for him to join," JoshRT explained when asked about picking up Xeppaa. "When I was more active, I was always on the lookout for upcoming talent, which was a habit I started with a former coach, GBjame^s, in Season 22 that actually helped CLG scout Subroza and Ethan. Xeppaa was at the top of my list. He pretty much checked all the boxes for me in what I look for in a player. He had fragging talent, as evidenced by how fast he kills a player — that is, low time to target, good spray control, and high headshot percentage. A quick eye test shows this, but I also looked at the stats to back up my theory, not to mention the fact that this man was in deathmatches every day."

The second factor JoshRT drew attention to was Xeppaa’s attitude toward the game and his coachability. "He has a very easygoing personality and communicates with ease, so I thought he would be a great teammate. He was dedicated to the game and bought into the team from day one." He went on to mention that, while a lot of up-and-coming players may do well in the fragging department, the latter criteria are something that is severely lacking in the North American semi-pro scene and were the type of traits that Xeppaa shared with other notable names that JoshRT had scouted, including Ethan "⁠Ethan⁠" Arnold.

JoshRT compared the abilities of Xeppa to Ethan

In his debut MDL season as a part of Infamous, Xeppaa would go on to post a 1.03 rating across 16 maps — nothing outstanding, but for a player in their first season of MDL to hold their own, it was definitely a good sign. JoshRT’s immediate impression was that Xeppaa would improve to play at a top MDL level in fast fashion, requiring experience through playing league matches and improving individually through FPL and Rank S to do so. Xeppaa also showcased confidence when questioned about his debut season, saying that "every season of MDL always has lower tier teams and high tier teams — I knew I could compete in MDL but not against the top."

After continuing to compete alongside JoshRT at the start of Season 31, then under the Royal banner, Xeppaa took his leave from the roster to join Variance, later known as Rap Gang. It was on this roster that Xeppaa truly began to blossom as an individual talent, ending MDL Season 31 with a 1.04 rating before vastly improving in the ensuing season, mustering a 1.18 rating and averaging 83.9 damage per round despite his team winning just four out of 16 maps during their campaign. Xeppaa also felt that this was the period he had the most growth as an individual on the server, a result of putting a lot of time into the game and playing in FPL alongside practicing with his team.

When questioned about how playing on the PUG platforms helped him, Xeppaa said that "FPL and Rank S definitely gave me some experience playing with pros, learning their thought process, and gaining game sense." Prompted on his thoughts regarding issues he’s had while playing in the hubs, he stated that it was just a "big PUG with a lot of money put into it" and complained about the lack of team play. "It is always about how many frags you can get and people don’t know basic nades," he explained.

Still, playing on these platforms drew further attention to both Xeppaa and leaf’s names, with their time in FPL and Rank S catching the eye of Anthony "⁠vanity⁠" Malaspina. Shortly after the end of Season 31, Xeppaa attended Fragadelphia 14 with the former eUnited in-game leader, playing alongside the current Cloud9 trio of Ricky "⁠floppy⁠" Kemery, Ian "⁠motm⁠" Hardy, and Josh "⁠oSee⁠" Ohm to eventually claim victory over the MDL roster of Divine. In an interview at the event conducted by Dust2.us, vanity echoed similar sentiments to JoshRT:

"Xeppaa is someone that I've played with in FPL, I've been playing against him for a really long time and he's always been someone who sticks to his friend groups on teams. It's harder for players like that to reach different levels of success because you're limited by who you're friends with. Obviously I got lucky that I was friends with players who had extremely high aspirations, like our Gorilla Gang core has all made Pro at this point, and it's only been one year since we played. It just doesn't pan out like that for everyone. I think he's insane mechanically and he has really good comms, so I could definitely see him making pro in the future."

When asked about other players who he thought would make pro, vanity mentioned three names: Erik "⁠penny⁠" Penny, former Triumph member Rahul "⁠curry⁠" Nemani, and leaf. Exactly one year after making his first appearance on an MDL roster, Xeppaa linked up with curry on Under 21 in Season 33, achieving his best individual form yet with a 1.21 rating over 28 maps as the team topped the regular season, losing only three matches while beating the likes of Chaos, Triumph, and Bad News Bears.

This was also the season in which leaf turned 16 and reunited with some of his former Zone teammates, then playing under the Rugratz tag with the other up-and-coming name vanity had mentioned, penny. "leaf wanted to quit when he couldn’t play MDL," zander recalled. "I basically begged him not to, saying that I would pick him up, that I would literally cut anyone once he turned 16 if he kept playing, and so I did." The young talent immediately impressed as he mustered a 1.24 rating over 21 maps in his MDL debut, placing high on the statistics leaderboard in a number of categories alongside seasoned names like Owen "⁠smooya⁠" Butterfield, Michael "⁠dapr⁠" Gulino, and Grim.

The impressive form of both leaf and Xeppaa put their names high on the recruitment list for interested parties as the season reached its end, with their rapid rise coming at an opportune moment. "As people left or were cut from the Chaos team, they began to seek out players," Xeppaa recalled. "I happened to have a good reputation about me, how I was performing, and they took a chance with me and here I am."

Chaos also briefly enlisted the services of leaf at the start of the season, but quickly found themselves left without him as the release of Riot Games’ tactical shooter VALORANT saw Cloud9 express interest in signing him to their team in the new title. For leaf, one of the primary draws of the offer lay in the hype behind the game and the idea that there was no No. 1 team, with the healthcare that would come with the signing also being a major factor to help him combat Crohn’s Disease and arthritis. However, the deal ultimately fell through, and leaf was offered a second chance on Chaos after Logan "⁠Voltage⁠" Long stepped down from the roster to pursue college with a full-ride scholarship. Xeppaa was not as tempted to pursue a career in the title, explaining that he did enjoy the game when it was released but stopped putting time into it once he had the offer from Chaos in hand.

Xeppaa and leaf praised steel and how his experience is helping them improve

Both leaf and Xeppaa made an immediate impression under steel’s lead, once again continuing to improve statistically — averaging 1.27 and 1.31 ratings, respectively, in MDL Season 34 — while also passing the eye test, earning praise from other pro players, broadcast talent members, and viewers alike. When it came to playing under the leadership of steel, the duo had only good things to say. "His experience helps a lot with learning how to think about the decisions you make and why they’re right or wrong," leaf said. "Little mistakes that happen consistently can make you lose rounds, and those round losses can determine whether or not you win the game." Xeppaa made mention of the 30-year-old’s experience playing a large part in him learning new things in-game, before attempting to dispel the image that some hold of the Chaos captain. "He isn't this ragey psycho people make him seem to be."

The guidance and leadership of steel and their own individual improvements also helped Xeppaa and leaf hold their own against the likes of Liquid, FURIA, and MIBR in DreamHack Masters Spring North America as well as 100 Thieves and Gen.G in cs_summit 6 North America, although the effects of playing against a higher calibre of opposition were definitely felt. "There is a big difference between MDL teams and pro teams," Xeppaa explained when asked about the jump in calibre of his opposition. “Their team play in general is way harder to compete against, but I’d like to say I've been able to contend with them." leaf expressed similar sentiments, explaining that "these teams aren’t like MDL teams where they’ll do the same thing in every match — they’ll know your tendencies and what to do against them. It’s a big learning curve but it’s definitely easier to get used to the more you play against them."

Of course, the pair’s performance against MIBR in the cs_summit 6 North America was what really put their names in the public eye after they were accused of cheating by prominent members of the community. For 16-year-old and 19-year-old players breaking out onto the world stage to be harassed and verbally abused by hundreds, if not thousands, of fans, and to have their labored and storied road to the top dismissed by a pro player many look up to in the form of FalleN, cannot have been easy. However, leaf is taking it in stride.

"The cheating accusations haven’t really affected the way I play, although it was hard to play the best-of-threes against Gen.G and 100 Thieves immediately the week after," leaf explained. "I’m back to being comfortable with the way I play and obviously winning WINNERS League and Mythic League made for a good closure heading into player break. I definitely think after Covid-19 is over and I have the opportunities to play LANs and prove people wrong, it’ll be a lot more redeeming. I’m comfortable with my team right now and I don’t think I’ll let my nerves get to me."

Although they have certainly taken a step up by joining Chaos, it's safe to say that Xeppaa and leaf’s careers in this game are still in their fledgling stages as they now look to make an impression on the world stage, an opportunity that will await them once offline tournaments make a return. In a region where rising talent is in short supply, especially following the release of VALORANT, the Chaos duo have clearly established their names as ones to keep an eye on, with few able to doubt their talent and ability to play the game at a high level online. Now, it’s left to be seen whether Xeppaa will live up to the comparisons to Ethan drawn by JoshRT, and whether leaf can maintain his strong form once the player break reaches its end and offline play eventually returns.

United States Josh 'oSee' Ohm
Josh 'oSee' Ohm
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
713
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.11
United States Michael 'dapr' Gulino
Michael 'dapr' Gulino
Age:
21
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
594
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.15
United Kingdom Owen 'smooya' Butterfield
Owen 'smooya' Butterfield
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.16
Maps played:
561
KPR:
0.78
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.10
United States Michael 'Grim' Wince
Michael 'Grim' Wince
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.08
Maps played:
622
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.14
United States Nathan 'leaf' Orf
Nathan 'leaf' Orf
Age:
16
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
211
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.13
United States Alexander 'zander' Diaz
Alexander 'zander' Diaz
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.94
Maps played:
227
KPR:
0.65
DPR:
0.70
APR:
0.14
Canada Joshua 'steel' Nissan
Joshua 'steel' Nissan
Age:
30
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
617
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.15
United States Rahul 'curry' Nemani
Rahul 'curry' Nemani
Age:
18
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.00
Maps played:
201
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.70
APR:
0.14
United States Paytyn 'junior' Johnson
Paytyn 'junior' Johnson
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
166
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.62
APR:
0.09
United States Erick 'Xeppaa' Bach
Erick 'Xeppaa' Bach
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
277
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.14
Canada Erik 'penny' Penny
Erik 'penny' Penny
Age:
17
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
185
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.70
APR:
0.13
Brazil Gabriel 'FalleN' Toledo
Gabriel 'FalleN' Toledo
Age:
29
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.08
Maps played:
1342
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.60
APR:
0.11
United States Ricky 'floppy' Kemery
Ricky 'floppy' Kemery
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
597
KPR:
0.76
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.14
United States Logan 'Voltage' Long
Logan 'Voltage' Long
Age:
20
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.01
Maps played:
420
KPR:
0.65
DPR:
0.61
APR:
0.09
United States Ian 'motm' Hardy
Ian 'motm' Hardy
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
619
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.11
United States Ethan 'Ethan' Arnold
Ethan 'Ethan' Arnold
Age:
20
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
929
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.15
Brazil Alexandre 'gAuLeS' Chiqueta
Alexandre 'gAuLeS' Chiqueta
Age:
-
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.54
Maps played:
3
KPR:
0.41
DPR:
0.84
APR:
0.08
United States Anthony 'vanity' Malaspina
Anthony 'vanity' Malaspina
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.99
Maps played:
566
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.13
United States Josh 'JoshRT' Lee
Josh 'JoshRT' Lee
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.88
Maps played:
290
KPR:
0.63
DPR:
0.74
APR:
0.14
Nice
2020-08-02 18:01
saviors of NA cs (no chance for FURIA and mibr)
2020-08-03 11:20
+1 Name Checks out
2020-08-03 11:33
its the truth, just like ur name
2020-08-03 11:38
+1 yes Sir
2020-08-03 12:10
nice
2020-08-02 18:01
lol they forgot about vanity
2020-08-02 18:07
Who
2020-08-04 03:07
If they keep working hard that whole "cheating" affair can be seen as one big promo (obviously not pleasant, but that's life, sometimes) for promising talents. Both can be picked up by big orgs in near future (i feel like esp. younger one needs to show more over more maps) or they can stick together and put chaos on CSGO map big time. GL to both of them.
2020-08-02 18:37
#266
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Australia z3ro_
Yeah I agree that it could give them huge publicity and boost their career, but it also might negatively affect their mentality in the future and ruin their careers.
2020-08-02 23:53
#95
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Hungary HAWI
<3 #CreateChaos
2020-08-02 18:37
#132
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Brazil xaxaxaxax
hope to see this guys in some big teams in the future, good article btw mens))
2020-08-02 19:13
-Taco -KNG +Leaf +Xeppa Finally some non bots in that team for a change? What do you think Caralho?
2020-08-02 19:18
+1
2020-08-03 16:39
you mean Caraio. Caralho is strictly Portuguese.
2020-08-03 19:01
Nice article
2020-08-02 19:20
#146
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Brazil Jordan21
Let's see how they will perform in the next events since now that they have been discovered
2020-08-02 19:20
They wont perform, they didnt cheated They just had a good game vs mibr then. People will start making excusses how they cant play cuz br guys threatened them and that shit.
2020-08-03 11:16
Ofc they didnt cheat
2020-08-03 12:43
#457
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Brazil Jordan21
Bro who is talking about the game itself? Just see some clips on youtube. I'm very sure u didn't see any.
2020-08-03 19:38
i saw and even if they cheated, they are not that stupid to try to cheat on lan. And there we will see that they are trash.
2020-08-03 20:01
u mad kkkkkkk
2020-08-03 15:37
Instead of writing about grim who is a legit cs player just hired by one of the most important esports org you chose to write about 2 possibly cheaters... this is like saying: hey boys we dont care about you cheat or not... CHEAT IS FREE
2020-08-02 19:23
Who says we aren't?
2020-08-02 19:31
#183
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Brazil Projectrv
you guys are raising up a subject that inflamed the entire scene, and at this point it's sound like you are trying to make brazilians a screamer or something like that.
2020-08-02 19:59
Planning for this feature began in May, so as much as I like a good conspiracy theory, I'm sorry to disappoint you. Besides, this article barely touches what happened with MIBR.
2020-08-02 20:05
#215
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Brazil _Awper
But if that didn't happen with mibr, would you guys even talk about these two?
2020-08-02 20:54
If we started working on this in May, why that question since the match with MIBR was in late June?
2020-08-02 20:57
Didn't you even consider to not make this article after what happen? Huge fan of your work!
2020-08-03 05:39
Why would I? It was planned weeks before that, and it's not even about what happened. It's about two up-and-coming players who: a) share the same team b) are two of the biggest hopes in a big region that is in desperate need of new talent. Thanks for the kind words, by the way!
2020-08-03 23:03
#221
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Brazil Projectrv
+1
2020-08-02 20:58
+8
2020-08-03 12:44
It also barely touches the fact that if the shitty faceit or esea ac didnt catch anything you're able to cheat in a major qual Edit:it doesn't talk abaout that at all
2020-08-02 21:03
you just want clicks, at least admit it.
2020-08-03 17:25
+1 Nowadays I feel like ESL and hltv has become kinda toxic regarding mibr and brazilians in general. Some months ago ESL usually came up with "funny" tweets during their broadcast making funny about mibr or other br teams, showing only bad statistics or good plays against our teams and such. It got to the point where I find myself a ESL hater right now and the same thing is happening with HLTV, which is pretty sad. I always felt I wasnt welcomed in this site by being brazilian the difference is that before it was only due the hltv users being stupid, nowadays even hltv staff seems to be unfriendly towards the br subject.
2020-08-02 20:53
+8
2020-08-03 12:44
ESL does that with every team, chillax
2020-08-03 16:06
+1. It will just fuel brazilians to be even more full of themselves.
2020-08-03 03:55
Why everyone is mad at brazilians on HLTV? Whatever we say is wrong, without even know what's about.
2020-08-04 16:14
Damn leaf is a prodigy then if he became that good that quickly.
2020-08-02 19:30
"that quickly"? He's been playing CS for 8 years. That's longer than some pros.
2020-08-03 18:51
Well I mean if you read the article, he got global quickly and started to be on a team at a young age which is a sign of him being a prodigy IMO.
2020-08-04 15:41
#177
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Greece 1926
it's amazing how steel always discovers crazy talents
2020-08-02 19:40
+1 god steel legend of NA, wish he didn't matchfix :/
2020-08-02 21:33
How can u call some1 a legend if u know they cheated(matchfixed). Its like saying "Hitler is a legend, wish he didnt started the war."
2020-08-03 11:20
that matchfixing thing was a retarded move by ibuypower, which cost for their careers, that doesn't mean steel isn't a good player. he is a pretty good igl. if ibuypower didn't matchfix, steel could be in a top 10 team easily right now. he was a good player and igl before he was banned too.
2020-08-03 11:53
When it comes to igling and being smart he doesnt even come close to daps. Daps is the one who made 2 succesfull teams in NA (well gen g are mediocre but give them time).
2020-08-03 11:57
of course, he won't be successful as daps, steel was irrelevant between 2015-2017, plus many players don't want to play with steel due to his major ban since many players want to play at major. and daps' NRG had more skilled players than steel's teams. you can check the matches vs NRG and other teams as well: hltv.org/stats/players/matches/7253/stee..
2020-08-03 12:27
The point is that daps made NRG litteraly by himself and vouched for players. Something steel will never do.
2020-08-03 12:32
i agree with you about daps' skill that makes young players shine and making them tier 1 players, but cerq, ethan and brehze were already known as talented young players, of course they weren't known as extremely talented players, but still they were talented. as i said, players of steel's teams between 2017- to this day, weren't talented as players of daps' teams. cerq which was known as talented player from bulgaria and ethan, brehze were talented as well.
2020-08-03 12:52
"Steel could be in a top 10 team" AHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
2020-08-03 19:06
why not?
2020-08-03 19:19
so i ask again to you? why not "haha"
2020-08-04 13:43
#357
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Indonesia lukerey
+1 wish valve unbanned him, I believe top 3 NA team love to recruit him as their IGL asap.
2020-08-03 08:17
Time never lie!
2020-08-02 19:41
Keep crying
2020-08-04 14:11
#185
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Poland SebL
I haven't heard much about leaf, but he is an interesting prospect. Xeppaa for me when he gets more experience can be one of the best players in the world.
2020-08-02 20:01
They had one good game vs tier 3 mibr what are u talking about lol. Get ur shit straight. They are miles away from even stepping into the arena to watch lan tournament let alone play in one.
2020-08-03 11:22
#388
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Poland SebL
Hard to play in a LAN tournament when there are no LAN tournaments.
2020-08-03 12:00
If they played that match on lan mibr would trash them. They are more than happy playing online than lan. P.S. steel said that when they played scrimms vs 100T more than a few times they didnt manage to get 8 rounds in every map. If they cant beat 100T there is no hope for tier 1 lans for them.
2020-08-03 12:04
#404
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Poland SebL
And 100 Thieves have potential, so I don't think losing hardly against them is a really bad thing. Also practice/= officials, so I don't know what are you talking about.
2020-08-03 12:57
Dude... 100T are #17 what are u talking about.
2020-08-03 13:00
#466
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Poland SebL
I'm saying that they have potential, and that losing vs them in a bad fashion is not that bad of a thing.
2020-08-03 20:35
Honestly the more I look across the scene I almost think Valorant has cleared up who actually might have a real future in NA and who doesn't. Leaf, Floppy, Grim, Obo, Xeppa all look legit to varying degrees. If 3/5 pan out that'll keep TL and EG stocked for the next four or five years. If they all pan out Euros and Brazilians can be pissed about Gen.G or C9 becoming top ten teams along with EG and TL.
2020-08-02 20:55
#226
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Sweden lil_peep
the drama
2020-08-02 21:04
Prospects 4Head
2020-08-02 21:11
"prospects"
2020-08-02 21:18
So many Brazilian flags I wonder why? Also people used say Neptune was THE prospect
2020-08-02 21:29
Yea lol. Calling tier 3 guys who had a rly good game vs tier 3 mibr a prospects is just sad. Just shows that there is serious lack of talented players in NA.
2020-08-03 11:24
monster players! these players have a very bright future. keep yelling salty fanboys.
2020-08-02 21:32
#254
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Brazil Vini007
Being honest, there are several suspicious moves to be observed during that fatidic MIBR v. Chaos. But opinions do not matter. LAN games are going to show who is right or wrong.
2020-08-02 22:55
there are more comment about Brazilian getting mad then actual Brazilian say shit about them lol. hltv grow. Brasil has beautiful community and u must respect them
2020-08-03 00:18
#375
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Brazil Projectrv
+1
2020-08-03 11:27
Because they deleted 90% of the comments lol
2020-08-03 12:22
u can't delete comments
2020-08-03 12:50
Mods do delete stupidest of the comments and most of the idiotic witch hunt threads got deleted because even a brainless fucking dog would not accuse these kids until they actually would blatantly wall or trigger.
2020-08-03 13:11
no mod would delete a comment for causing someone of cheating none of my comments has being deleted lol. Also if you only ban people for hack that even a brain dead dog would recognize then cs is gonna die my friend
2020-08-03 13:31
Yo le noob, Why have 300 comments been deleted ont this article then?
2020-08-03 22:58
Ironic that ur a flusha fangirl
2020-08-05 14:33
lol. I never paid attention to that it is ironic. but the thing is that flusha is actually good
2020-08-05 15:49
I can confirk that they had deleted comments as a comment I had replied earlier is now missing, alongside my reply and someone else's
2020-08-03 16:07
true lol
2020-08-03 17:24
Cause comments get deleted dumbass
2020-08-04 14:53
<3
2020-08-05 03:36
Love How most brazilians here Act like everyone reasonable must think that hes cheating 100% and like everyone just considering that he could be legit are unreasonable.
2020-08-03 01:05
+1
2020-08-03 12:50
Imagine playing this game since 2001, and suddenly, two players from the same team playing online have more suspicious plays in a very few maps than every other pro in their entire career. How could f0rest, GTR, Neo, Fallen, Fnx and other dinosaurs from this game never had that many clips? Since people are claiming it was just coincidence, then let's play with statistics... you have a very very small chance of something like this to happens, so playing 1000x more games should lead to more absolute cases which is clearly not the case. Don't play dumb just because the Brazilian community is the one complaining. They are cheating and you should be worried about the CS community as a whole.
2020-08-03 15:05
nobody has more fishy clips than Flusha. Dunno what you talking about.
2020-08-03 16:11
Well IMO Flusha cheated back in time.
2020-08-03 16:18
Another cheat accusation without evidence. We already know bra71l have no idea what evidence means. Sorry for your bad education but don't bother me with that poor kid,
2020-08-03 16:19
If people cheat in real-life sports, imagine in a software sport with a massive amount of money involved. Someone smart with a high-quality cheat will never be detected. Especially online where you could do it at the hardware layer with PCILeech. Leaf, Xeppaa, and Flusha are just the most blatant ones. If all those clips with the aim locked at the enemy with a mechanical aim movement are not enough to serve as a proof, then all you need to do is to set a small POV and delete the files after injected. The stakeholders are not interested in the exposure of cheaters. "Hey, we know you are cheating. It will lead to many legal problems for the organizers and you. People will lose the thrust in the PRO scene, and it won't be good for the entire business. So please stop now, to avoid further issues".
2020-08-03 16:52
wall of text still no evidence. Bye
2020-08-03 17:03
Follow the enemy head behind the wall with a perfectly smooth (robotic) movement multiple times in the same month is not enough? What evidence do you need? cheat.exe on his desktop? If a blatant aimbot/aimlock is not enough, then people should feel more than safe using "just" wallhack.
2020-08-03 17:13
Your logic is wrong. When you have upcoming players and you know they cheat you would kick them an say "reason xyz". Cuz otherwise you in a position where you can get blackmailed and pay a ton of money. it makes no sense to take the risk for Noname players. it makes also no sense for "proven" players. All your argumentation fails the logic of a normal mind. And still "arguments" are no evidence.
2020-08-03 17:14
Good luck finding evidence of a hack made by a good programmer. Even if you were on LAN, you would need to look at the binary of the firmware and understand what it is doing from there. Imagine online... Keep believing in the integrity of all those young players in a scenario with dozens of millions.
2020-08-03 17:24
You can think all that you want but without evidence, you can't prove the guilt.
2020-08-03 19:26
Ah yes, Brazil poor, the greatest of counters. Go outside kid. You're the uneducated one.
2020-08-03 19:17
It is no counter it is a fact. The poor uneducated kid doesn't know what a fact is. Thanks for proving me again. Portugal or Ba17l really no difference.
2020-08-03 19:25
"Another cheat accusation without evidence. We already know bra71l have no idea what evidence means. Sorry for your bad education but don't bother me with that poor kid" At least he's got a little education ._.
2020-08-10 12:33
#533
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Brazil baldok1
in 1 series, xeppa and leaf had more fishy clips than all flusha clips
2020-08-05 17:00
From what i saw there was 1 Clip that wasnt explicable with reasonable preaiming, and also everyone has those Clips, fallen has some ridiculous Clips as well. Im Not saying that fallen is or was cheating, but if those are enough to Call Leaf a cheater, then you better have a reason for Not calling fallen a cheater as well.
2020-08-04 01:44
Xeppa insane
2020-08-03 01:09
Imagine thinking Xeppaa and leaf are cheating LMAO Edit: Have a good day!
2020-08-03 02:10
if it happened to u in a match u would be crying all over chat, reporting, and rage quitting. then u went see demo, and even got more sure, so u reported them again. but ofc, it didnt happen to u dumbass bandwagon follower with no brain
2020-08-04 03:24
LMAO, keep crying and stop assuming that all of us are just like you. “dumbass bandwagon follower with no brain” This is why your fan base is so fucking shit and hated. Edit: Have a good day!
2020-08-04 14:11
That's the difference about NA CS v. The World CS, their best prospects never has played a Lan game in their careers.
2020-08-05 19:18
#330
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France Aresys
Oki. I value media, in cs and irl, they tell the truth.
2020-08-03 03:33
I thought the clips were suspicious at the time, but Brazilian streamers declared themselves on the subject without thinking too much, with their spirits going wild and opening the door for fans' misconduct. Let the right be done.
2020-08-03 03:58
Hope they can still play in Rio major
2020-08-03 04:05
Río Major ain't gonna happen.
2020-08-03 06:12
When they do Rio Major. Valve has to work for its security. Otherwise whatever happens it all falls on them.
2020-08-03 16:26
it will not happen and they dont have the point anyway.
2020-08-03 17:23
#383
kNgV- | 
Brazil V13
I just wanted to see it on a LAN !!!
2020-08-03 11:49
#425
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Portugal SyruzZ
So if Xantares underperforms on LAN by your thinking process, he's hacking? BR brain
2020-08-03 16:34
if he underperform it means hes not LOL
2020-08-03 17:18
#451
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Portugal SyruzZ
No ffs. He's saying that Leaf hacks because of online. By his thinking process if Xantares plays badly he's hacking.
2020-08-03 19:10
#501
kNgV- | 
Brazil V13
who is talking about Xantares ?? Tuga de merda
2020-08-04 12:08
#508
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Portugal SyruzZ
Are you that dumb that you can't read a sentence in English? Read my sentence again your BR brain will get it.
2020-08-04 15:44
He gave an example
2020-08-10 12:34
me too
2020-08-03 16:36
#385
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World Beard43
Can definitely see the potential but they have a long way to go and the lockdowns definitely aren't helping. GL
2020-08-03 11:54
let's see how they play in the LAN tournaments :D
2020-08-03 14:11
#448
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Portugal GuiAl3x
Ok lets wait for LAN tournaments and we´ll see
2020-08-03 19:00
Waiting for them to play on the lan and prove that they play well
2020-08-04 00:48
#511
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Brazil nocafc
they don't seen to be that good, but the future will tell with they have what it takes to be winners.
2020-08-04 17:32
#544
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Brazil Joaopgo2
Lets see in lan HLTV
2020-08-06 06:13
Why can't you all open your eyes and see that realize they cheated does much better for the community than prefering to just make funny comments about the situation. There was this one match with MiBR, and just on this match there were more possible aimlocks than there were ever in any other Chaos game, at least in 2020. That is just my opinion, I could be wrong. But what are the chances?
2020-08-10 12:41
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