Liquid in talks with Grim; nitr0 to step down - Report

The North American giants have set their sights on the 19-year-old Triumph rifler, who has averaged a 1.34 rating in the past three months.

Liquid have expressed interest in signing Michael "⁠Grim⁠" Wince to replace veteran Nick "⁠nitr0⁠" Cannella, according to a report from DBLTAP. The report alleges that after internal team discussions pivoted towards finding his replacement, nitr0 stepped down from the roster.

Grim has been by far the most promising prospect that is not on a top team in 2020, averaging a 1.31 rating since the start of the year. The most successful period of his career came in recent months as a part of Triumph as he impressed with strong showings against the likes of MIBR, Evil Geniuses, and 100 Thieves in BLAST Premier Showdown and cs_summit 6.

Grim has impressed in recent months with his performance on Triumph

nitr0 is the longest tenured member of Liquid, having been a part of the team's Counter-Strike roster since 2015. He led the team to a win in the second season of the Intel Grand Slam, securing the $1,000,000 prize pool in a record 63 days with victories at IEM Sydney, DreamHack Masters Dallas, ESL Pro League Season 9 Finals, and ESL One Cologne in 2019. More recently, Liquid have struggled to post the same calibre of results, ending the season with a third-placed finish in cs_summit 6 to re-enter the top 10 in the world rankings before the player break.

In a comment to Rush B Media, Liquid confirmed that Grim will be a starting member of the team's roster in their upcoming DreamHack Open Summer appearance, set to run from Aug 8-16.

With their new member, Liquid's roster for DreamHack Open Summer is:

United States Jonathan "⁠EliGE⁠" Jablonowski
Canada Russel "⁠Twistzz⁠" Van Dulken
Canada Keith "⁠NAF⁠" Markovic
United States Jake "⁠Stewie2K⁠" Yip
United States Michael "⁠Grim⁠" Wince

United States Eric "⁠adreN⁠" Hoag (coach)

United States Jonathan 'EliGE' Jablonowski
Jonathan 'EliGE' Jablonowski
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
1300
KPR:
0.76
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.16
United States Nick 'nitr0' Cannella
Nick 'nitr0' Cannella
Age:
24
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.00
Maps played:
1323
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.14
Canada Keith 'NAF' Markovic
Keith 'NAF' Markovic
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
1261
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.16
United States Eric 'adreN' Hoag
Eric 'adreN' Hoag
Age:
30
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.00
Maps played:
600
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.15
Canada Russel 'Twistzz' Van Dulken
Russel 'Twistzz' Van Dulken
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.12
Maps played:
1047
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.62
APR:
0.11
United States Michael 'Grim' Wince
Michael 'Grim' Wince
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
580
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.14
United States Jake 'Stewie2K' Yip
Jake 'Stewie2K' Yip
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
1236
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.14
-stew pls
2020-07-29 03:55
nah stew new igl
2020-07-29 03:55
yep, my boy stew is crazy sad to see nitr0 going away in his worst time though, but welcome grim
2020-07-29 03:57
grim extremely online. nitr0 iş dead weight. stew needs new pastures. he will never find his original self in this roster. he needs a new roster. extremely shitty move. they need alcohol in their blood to see the truth.
2020-07-29 04:06
rip. thanks legend
2020-07-29 04:15
kick stew ffs
2020-07-29 06:48
#296
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India X3pHyR
Stew quite literally solidified the fact that he is the most invaluable NA player why would liquid kick him?
2020-07-29 09:47
People who say -stew are just dumb. Looking forward to this new roster and seeing where nitr0 will go!
2020-07-29 10:17
#375
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Spain N0Love
Why? He has been mediocre for a long time now and I don't blame Liquid's struggles on him entirely but he has proven nothing as an IGL either so it was nitr0 or him basically
2020-07-29 12:25
#464
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India X3pHyR
Honestly he does all the dirty work dude, ever seen him set up for a play?
2020-07-31 00:48
#454
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Canada elias_yoo
I don't think that grim will fit in with Liquid very well though. I don't think grim's personality will clash well with the team, especially EliGE's.
2020-07-30 05:31
#433
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Portugal jsousa941
you clearly dont know the role of stew on this roster, i guess you are a ignorant but kk
2020-07-29 18:38
"grim is extremely online" ....... everyone comes from online. it takes time to become comfortable on LAN.
2020-07-29 04:18
#376
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Spain N0Love
I don't know if he actually has had a single chance to play on LAN and prove himself...
2020-07-29 12:26
#380
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France cedd
I think he played a couple Fragadelphias
2020-07-29 12:48
its as if its the online era now xD
2020-07-29 04:20
What do you mean Stewie needs new pastures? His team back in the Cloud9 days of 2018 was good, but that didn't last too long unfortunately. I think Team Liquid are doing okay for the most part and that Stewie is doing good for his role and overall too.
2020-07-29 04:30
#377
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Czech Republic steveb
Stew gone from c9 cuz bad calls he said that right after the major
2020-07-29 12:34
Nitro isn’t the problem, it’s the coach. They need to sign kassad immediately and use adren as just an analyst.
2020-07-29 09:11
true kassad will back they in top 1/2
2020-07-29 09:33
Yessssssssss
2020-07-29 10:25
Team liquid arent idiots dude you can never truly know what a coach brings to the team. If adreN really was the problem they would have kicked him half a year ago...
2020-07-29 13:12
Unless adreN has a lot of connections within TL, as shown when TL first got into CS:GO. They need a coach with more energy than adreN.
2020-07-30 03:41
It's not that adreN is a bad coach, it's just not what the players in team liquid need. Just think of the personalities in the team. nitr0, elige, twistzz, and naf are all VERY quiet and they need someone to get them fired up and adreN clearly isn't able to do that. Look at the 100Thieves roster when they had kassad and when they didn't. It's night and day. Kassad brings the best of both worlds and will be able to fire up the team and is probably better then adreN tactically anyways.
2020-07-30 23:09
exactly what i thought
2020-07-30 04:35
Stew is bot
2020-07-29 09:35
damn man didnt know you were still alive
2020-07-29 13:09
completely agree. stew never fit with the other 4 unfortunately
2020-07-29 15:12
#23
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Australia Boostral
plz
2020-07-29 03:57
#24
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Germany Jermen
+11
2020-07-29 03:57
#182
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United States xredzLg
Lol.. Stewie is insane
2020-07-29 05:13
He is a good decoy, but he cant play igl. And u will see that as soon as they face EU tier 1 teams instead of just EG and Furia who are only tier 1 teams in NA.
2020-07-29 10:07
#218
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Taiwan zhcwhite
+1
2020-07-29 06:21
-poland pls
2020-07-29 08:04
Lmao I called this! No one believed me.
2020-07-29 08:55
Yes pleaseeeeeeeeee
2020-07-29 13:54
Stewie is trash and should go play valorant instead Also liquid shouldn't poach talent frkm a team that is better than them.
2020-07-30 02:02
Triumph is better than Liquid? They just lost last weekend to Levitate, with Grim.
2020-08-01 00:32
and Liquid lost to trash
2020-08-01 02:54
Holy shit F to Captain America
2020-07-29 03:55
good move!
2020-07-29 03:55
So many firepower
2020-07-29 03:56
Facts team is fucking insanely good on paper
2020-07-29 03:58
Would still manage to be underwhelming in the server. Just liquid things
2020-07-29 05:56
Well from what I take of the reports Nitr0 has had motivation problems and that effects the psychology of the whole team. Still think adren to analyst +kassad is a slam dunk move and maybe -stew + alex but I think stewie is a very underrated leader and is a very good igl quite frankly liquid just need to bootcamp fix there problems get there motivation back and they will be back.
2020-07-29 14:29
Maybe the fact that they won a couple of millions in prize money, plus hundreds of thousands in salary is why they're not motivated anymore.
2020-08-01 00:35
LETS GOOOOOO
2020-07-29 04:01
#83
leaf | 
Canada ZHF
F
2020-07-29 04:09
F
2020-07-29 04:25
F
2020-07-29 05:57
#313
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Chile cristiaan
F
2020-07-29 10:19
F Cap
2020-07-29 10:27
F
2020-07-29 15:13
#4
NEO | 
Sweden 444SEN
kek
2020-07-29 03:55
#5
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Finland Cucumber))
monster team now
2020-07-29 03:55
#194
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Sweden ZikEiBoY
Cucumber more like cuckcumber Jk I’m sorry don’t get mad at me
2020-07-29 05:27
no i'm not mad thank you for the comment
2020-07-29 14:56
#431
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Sweden ZikEiBoY
np
2020-07-29 17:28
#6
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United Kingdom Dylan9007
Wtf
2020-07-29 03:55
valorant or retire?
2020-07-29 03:55
Maybe streaming
2020-07-29 03:56
prob gonna stream since he has a wife
2020-07-29 04:52
maybe chaos or another na team if an org picks up some other unused talents
2020-07-29 04:54
-JT +nitr0 for C9 would be nice imo
2020-07-29 04:55
That would be very nice
2020-07-29 10:30
not bad tbh
2020-07-29 12:35
+1
2020-07-29 14:46
He has a lot of options. He is still one of the best NA IGL. He can stream, go to Valorant for whatever reason (least possible imo) or he can get into another T2 NA roster (Cloud9, etc.)
2020-07-29 06:14
stay at home dad
2020-07-29 08:26
Nice move! Liquid will improve more the firerate!
2020-07-29 03:55
#11
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United Kingdom Cujoishere
WTF
2020-07-29 03:55
#12
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United Kingdom alcazar4
sick
2020-07-29 03:55
oh shit
2020-07-29 03:55
OHHH YEAAHHHH
2020-07-29 03:56
F
2020-07-29 03:56
#19
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Brazil setsz
oh no era liquid again
2020-07-29 03:56
POG
2020-07-29 04:33
#314
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Chile cristiaan
POG
2020-07-29 10:20
FINALLY
2020-07-29 03:56
F
2020-07-29 03:56
UCK YEA
2020-07-29 04:00
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2020-07-29 04:02
#55
JUST | 
Portugal Hmikas
F
2020-07-29 04:04
F
2020-07-29 04:05
#65
JUST | 
Portugal Hmikas
UCK YEA
2020-07-29 04:06
UCK YEA
2020-07-29 04:06
name checks out
2020-07-29 04:07
bring kassad and this team would sky rocket to #1 again lad B)
2020-07-29 04:08
It's your opinion*
2020-07-29 04:08
true, but being a fan of liquid that would murder someone to see liquid win another IGS and also a major, i can only hope
2020-07-29 04:10
OK
2020-07-29 04:11
#370
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Sweden crittaN
Reported
2020-07-29 12:18
no pls no men wtf ))
2020-07-29 13:32
#25
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United States laiff
UNMOTIVATED NITRO IS OUT LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
2020-07-29 03:57
POGGERS.
2020-07-29 03:58
NO!!!!!!!!!!!! GET DAPS.
2020-07-29 03:57
#59
fnx | 
Brazil NextL
LOL
2020-07-29 04:05
#85
jdm64 | 
Luxembourg ekwi
ah yes. the Zeus effect where the IGL's brain is just too big, they gotta kick him
2020-07-29 04:10
#29
God | 
Russia amc20
huh???
2020-07-29 03:58
I have never played csgo but I hope this is a good move to keep America on top! We shall see! 😎👍
2020-07-29 03:58
pog but sad to see one of my favorite players go((
2020-07-29 03:58
nitr0 is such a chill and funny person especially in the liquid vlogs, sad but happy at the same time seeing this news men)) :((
2020-07-29 04:08
#95
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United States Jaksin
+1
2020-07-29 04:14
+111111 met him and his wife outside barclays last year, great guy. cant hate him tbh hopefully he'll continue as a streamer or help mentor lower tier na teams with his experience
2020-07-29 04:39
#316
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Chile cristiaan
+1
2020-07-29 10:21
#32
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United States SWiFTzZzZz
No not nitr0
2020-07-29 03:58
i expected this move but man, this still hurts to see PepeHands
2020-07-29 04:07
Breaks my heart. Crazy to see them make a long term decision based on results in this online era. Hes definitely still an asset though and will likely make it on another team without issue
2020-07-29 09:24
#33
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Spain elskio
wtf rip bestest NA team ever
2020-07-29 03:58
#319
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Chile cristiaan
rip? it's a better change
2020-07-29 10:23
Its a clean upgrade wdym
2020-07-29 13:16
LETS GO BABY
2020-07-29 03:58
what a play dude
2020-07-29 03:59
They may see Grim's performance is impressive, he's performance will immediately go down when he fought EU Team
2020-07-29 03:59
I mean if he goes down from a 1.31 rating to a 1.10 rating that's just fine is the thing.
2020-07-29 04:43
meyern also had 1.35 rating whilst with sharks. And with MiBR it was 0.90 = LUL. So not everyone is good at international competition.
2020-07-29 06:46
Difference is he was playing in mibr
2020-07-29 06:56
#276
B1T | 
Ukraine devitt
Perfecto had 1.25 before navi, now he is 0.99, newbies always struggle
2020-07-29 09:12
Sure but we don't actually have any way of knowing what his transition will be like or if it will be smooth. As of now he's on fucking fire. And he's still got a good bit of online season left to play with Liquid. So before we making any sweeping decisions about how good he's going to be we should probably just let the kid play. Also an average 1.00 rating with some decent impact would actually be just fine for his rookie debut. He's replacing a player that couldn't even do that anymore. There's really not much pressure here if just not being a fragging black hole like Nitro was is the goal.
2020-07-29 15:20
I don't think playing in "international competitions" is the reason why meyern is doing bad. I think it has something to do with him not able to go with Fallens old school IGLing.
2020-07-29 13:06
He is only 19 years of age, he can improve a lot in the future.
2020-07-29 04:47
nitr0 to C9?
2020-07-29 03:59
Lmao
2020-07-29 04:00
-jt +nitr0
2020-07-29 04:02
BlessRng
2020-07-29 04:24
Could be a great move ngl
2020-07-29 07:04
#297
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Korea thr33o
Nah JT has good chemistry. Also he's a dedicated IGL rather than a nitr0 makeshift one. Love my boi, but not the place for him.
2020-07-29 09:48
I don't think any team in NA needed a 'dedicated' IGL and some 'structure' team play. NA is good with their puggy style of CS and Nitr0 will be a huge upgrade over JT, in terms of experience and also firepower. C9 needs a change imo, this team has reached its full potential
2020-07-29 11:30
#345
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Korea thr33o
If he was to move to C9 I'd prefer -sonic +nitr0 and make nitr0 secondary caller. He's very versatile as a player, but I feel like he can be even better under an IGL like JT rather than calling the strats himself. But Idk.
2020-07-29 11:34
I am not too sure about the decision of -Sonic because he is one of the 'star' for the team. The idea of -JT is you can't win when your IGL is not fragging. Is like DAPS at NRG, they made playoffs in most of the tournaments but they constantly lost at semi or quarter-finals.
2020-07-29 11:55
#366
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Korea thr33o
True, true. I just thought that sonic was underperforming as a "star" player so he deserved the boot a 'lil bit more.
2020-07-29 12:07
For me easy move. Nitro has great wxperience with top tier CS, he is much better mechanically than JT. It would break everything in C9, but I would feel it is worth it?
2020-07-29 10:32
#42
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United States notawaffle
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GRIM'S CAREER GOING TO BE WASTED dumb2k as igl is going to be awful
2020-07-29 04:00
+1
2020-07-29 04:01
PLUS ONE
2020-07-29 04:06
gg
2020-07-29 04:00
Sick player, he’s going to do well
2020-07-29 04:01
#48
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Korea thr33o
BRUH Big sad for nitr0, my man.
2020-07-29 04:01
+1 yeah sad for him
2020-07-29 04:02
bad pick up, who is awp?
2020-07-29 04:04
Stew probably
2020-07-29 04:05
Stewie and naf have been awping
2020-07-29 04:06
#171
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Japan eternaL_
Other than Overpass Nitr0 hasn’t been the main awp for a while now
2020-07-29 04:57
I thought Nitr0 is always the 'CT awper' for the team? (other than Mirage and DU2 where Stewie is the awper)
2020-07-29 11:32
#356
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Japan eternaL_
He used to AWP a lot more in the past, but recently only second awper sometimes. Just off of what I can remember: D2- Stewie Mirage - Stewie Vertigo - Stewie, NAF Overpass - nitr0 Nuke - NAF Inferno- NAF, Stewie
2020-07-29 11:53
That reminds me. I think you are right
2020-07-29 11:56
Grim very good, he deserves it
2020-07-29 04:05
Deercheerup
2020-07-29 07:39
-grim +nitr0 bring liquid great again
2020-07-29 04:05
#61
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France Uexo
F and gl to Liquid and grim
2020-07-29 04:07
Pog
2020-07-29 04:06
Kicking igl did good for many teams before...
2020-07-29 04:06
#77
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United States SWiFTzZzZz
Stewie is the igl
2020-07-29 04:08
But nitro was the igl on their 5 tournaments run.
2020-07-29 04:14
True. Well see how it goes bc nitro isn’t a natural in game leader, more just filling in the needs
2020-07-29 04:20
They play a loose style and adren basically gives them the tactics. Nitr0 was a good IGL because he also fragged out. He is replaceable once he drops in performance.
2020-07-29 04:24
Finally someone who gets it in the comments. adreN trusts his players to execute the tactics/strats. He also allows them to a certain point to adjust and work through mid-round calling instead of micromanaging them.
2020-07-29 14:58
#72
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Hungary raffai
POG
2020-07-29 04:07
This will destroy the American scene again. They don't need to improve the single too teams, they need to broaden their field. They need a lot more chaos/triumph teams so the pool gets bigger and attracts more tournament organizers and new players. You see the same happening in Denmark. A team gets good and it gets picked apart by north or astralis
2020-07-29 04:08
+1
2020-07-29 04:11
Triumph wasn’t going anywhere. Just look at Sunday’s games. As soon as Grim stops carrying, they lose to nonamers like Levitate.
2020-07-29 04:24
Grim is a baiter
2020-07-29 06:45
#126
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North America Swboy1010
Mythic cup is helping out with that with teams like Ze pug Gods and Triumph making it on the scene. Along with Levitate Gaming and New England Whalers.
2020-07-29 04:27
Totally agree. Fl0m is doing bits for the NA scene. I personally like NA cs more than EU. Whalers, zpg and whalers are great. Hopefully we'll see some more teams next MDL season. Swedish were pretty okay for a while but sadly didnt get any offers from orgs.
2020-07-29 15:26
#81
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United States WumboCumbo
2020-07-29 04:09
bruh idk should i be sad or happy
2020-07-29 04:13
Omgg
2020-07-29 04:19
I was not know this details
2020-07-29 07:49
Wow nitr0 is only 24. Could keep playing. Shades of Skadoodle leaving C9. I predict it falls short and he comes back.
2020-07-29 04:10
#86
leaf | 
Canada ZHF
:( sad to see nitr0 go
2020-07-29 04:10
Wasn't expecting nitr0 to step down, but we all know some high tier american teams would set sights on Grim Hopefully everything goes well for this new NA talent
2020-07-29 04:13
man they needed to try a new coach first nitros so good
2020-07-29 04:13
As an IGL? Yes. As a fragger? No.
2020-07-30 06:55
Too early and should add Autimatic... But i'm looking forward to see how it'll go with Grim. Missing Nick already though :/
2020-07-29 04:14
Me too(
2020-07-29 04:20
That 1.34 rating against MDL teams and covid-online though. /s Not the time for an immense roster change and their current IGL has shown minimal results.
2020-07-29 04:15
#162
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Brazil hugoooo
ZywOo used to get pretty much the same numbers vs t4 EU teams when he was on aAa... 1.30+ regularly is something you never can doubt... Grim is a beast and I think he is the next NA superstar
2020-07-29 04:49
ZywOo was lan proven. He played a tier 3 Lan with aAa and was very good. And T4 Euro is T2 NA.
2020-07-29 06:49
Also EG should -stan +nitr0 immediately.
2020-07-29 04:16
#163
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Brazil hugoooo
??? stan is the best NA IGL by far that would be a dumb move
2020-07-29 04:50
#216
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Egypt ExonsX
+1 Stan is better than nitr0 atm in igl and fraging
2020-07-29 06:18
#294
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New Zealand rOtten_97
Bruh stanislaw is top5 worst igls ever, let alone NA
2020-07-29 09:46
twitter.com/nitr0/status/128829536922341.. nitr0 just announced him stepping down.
2020-07-29 04:17
OH MY GOOOOOOOD GRIM YOU DESERVE IT SO MUCHH,HOPE SEE U IN TOP 20 THIS YEAR CONGRATZZ
2020-07-29 04:18
HOLY FUCKING SHIT LETS GO GRIM BEST BOI THANKS SO MUCH LIQUID FOR RESCUING HIM FROM SHITRIUMPH
2020-07-29 04:19
LETS GO GRIM I'll miss you Nitr0 :((
2020-07-29 04:20
EZ PZ
2020-07-29 04:21
thank you NITR0 for your time on liquid! excited to see what grim can do!
2020-07-29 04:23
nitro should join c9 tbh
2020-07-29 04:23
No eg or faze
2020-07-29 04:37
Nitro on Faze? LOL
2020-07-29 05:05
Yes they need igl
2020-07-29 05:11
kinda fun +nitr0 -bymas
2020-07-29 05:45
Hate to see nitr0 go, he was such a fixture in this team. That said, he's not really the primary issue with Liquid, and adding more firepower may not remedy the situation (which is a reliance on individual play over team play). Also, it'll be interesting to see if Grim will transition well to LAN once that comes back into the fold. Either way, good luck to Liquid, I could certainly end up wrong but I have a feeling this won't fix their underlying problems.
2020-07-29 04:23
Very happy to see Grim get his chance. He's an insane talent - boasting numbers similar to when ZywOo was carrying teams online like AAA. That being said, I feel like this is not the move that will fix everything... well, it might, but the IGLing issue remains.
2020-07-29 04:25
His numbers are vs NA teams though, not the same at all.
2020-07-29 06:25
hltv.org/stats/players/11893/ZywOo?start.. Actually I'd say it is similar. More than half of ZywOo's maps in 2018 were against teams outside of the top 50 and 2017 works even better as an example. Sure, he showed us in the second half ot the year that he's probably a genuine talent, but earlier that year everyone was in doubt of him because he had only played online and versus bad opponents, so there's not that much of a difference there. I'm calling it now, Grim will be good in TL even if it takes him some time and even when they get to LAN. His numbers might not be as crazy, but he's gonna do it. I just have that feeling.
2020-07-29 15:32
Mythic are in NA mdl and doing well at that, think about it for a while. Im sure Grim will do fine but I don't expect more than solid.
2020-07-30 17:41
I certainly agree with the way you went about setting your expectation. We'll see, I hope the best for him.
2020-07-30 17:59
#124
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Canada dennek
now -adren +kassad c9 -jt +nitro
2020-07-29 04:26
Cloud fucking 9 of all teams. EG or faze maybe
2020-07-29 04:37
#224
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Egypt ExonsX
What could EG and Faze do with nitr0 Stan>nitr0 Anyone in faze even bymas>nitr0
2020-07-29 06:33
Nice
2020-07-29 04:27
When they switched IGL from nitro to stewie, we all know it is just the matter of time before they replace him with someone else. Happened to karrigan and FaZe before.
2020-07-29 04:28
And FaZe rekt themselves with that move, waiting for Liquid to drop off as well.
2020-07-29 15:39
now -stew +leaf ez major in rio LULZIL
2020-07-29 04:28
#256
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Brazil renatorib
major idk but for sure will never lost to a br team anymore
2020-07-29 08:12
except furia they are the bestest
2020-07-29 09:25
Do you eat kebabs?
2020-07-29 10:37
yes
2020-07-29 10:43
proof?
2020-07-29 10:50
when i go eat kebab i take picture
2020-07-29 10:50
ok
2020-07-29 11:41
#133
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North America Straf3R
idk if stew can be the full time IGL. Nitr0 has to come back at some point to take on that role. but nil no good IGLs, especially in NA...
2020-07-29 04:31
#146
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Belgium zthoui
only stan is the good IGL in NA, rest is bad, nitro was good at it though
2020-07-29 04:42
#198
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North America Straf3R
Stan ain't even that good, he quits being the igl half the time and he's a very loose caller.
2020-07-29 05:42
#461
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Belgium zthoui
he has 90% KAST
2020-07-30 19:43
#462
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North America Straf3R
Lol what no he doesn't
2020-07-30 21:58
#466
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Belgium zthoui
wrong guy, sorry
2020-07-31 18:47
#467
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North America Straf3R
u good mens))
2020-07-31 23:57
#147
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Belgium zthoui
there is daps, but his aim is trash
2020-07-29 04:42
#199
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North America Straf3R
He's actually pretty good a lot of the time, especially in 1 v x or holding sites because he doesn't have to micromanage everyone on his team like he usually does.
2020-07-29 05:43
AW MAN :( RIP to a team that had a legendary run last year :( But this Grim guy does look very promising.
2020-07-29 04:34
-bymas +nitr0 or -stanislaw +nitr0
2020-07-29 04:36
fuck no are you stupid ?
2020-07-29 04:44
Why not ? Niko can't even igl
2020-07-29 04:46
neither can nitro, that's why he was kicked. as for stan, eg are perfect the way they are now.
2020-07-29 05:41
#201
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North America Straf3R
He was kicked for bad stats, not because he couldn't igl. Stew has been the igl for months now
2020-07-29 05:44
why did stew take the igl role in your opinion ?
2020-07-29 05:44
#217
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North America Straf3R
Idk, but nitro said he wanted to focus on his individual performance.
2020-07-29 06:19
on a second thought, it may be a good option for faze, but i don't think it's that big of an upgrade
2020-07-29 05:46
F
2020-07-29 04:40
i just hope this wont be the last time we hear from nitr0 . such a cool guy so sad he couldnt perform at all last 6 months -nitr0 was expected that will come ;/
2020-07-29 04:41
#202
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North America Straf3R
I think they need to give him another shot on lan tbh. This online bs sucks
2020-07-29 05:44
Imaging not kicking shit2k this guy is the Problem and we all know that
2020-07-29 04:43
#150
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Australia CaZeR01
I think it was nitros time, but grimm is a risk seeing as hes only come into the spotlight over online cs. I guess its a good move for now coz cs will stay online for quite some time still
2020-07-29 04:43
same with zywoo
2020-07-29 05:21
#365
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Australia CaZeR01
True
2020-07-29 12:05
liquid top 1 already
2020-07-29 04:43
if grim is truly going to be zywoo 2.0 liquid is going to have at least a 2 year era
2020-07-29 05:22
and finally our boy elige can be #1
2020-07-30 04:04
#1 rifler of 2019, that's enough to be proud of and he hard entried unlike baitzera
2020-07-30 05:03
#154
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Brazil hugoooo
AWESOME move by Liquid... for sure until the end of the year they will be #1 with this roster
2020-07-29 04:45
Probably a good move. The 1.31 rating isn't going to translate to LAN obviously as that'd make him the best player in the world. But if he can hold a 1.05 or 1.10 maybe he's going to be a great upgrade. I'd love to see Nitro go to a team like C9 to continue his career. Think he's still got some gas left in the tank. A break is likely in order and he should assess his options.
2020-07-29 04:46
you never know zywoos rating was relatively similar too. and grim clearly doesnt take up all the stardom in triumph because junior is also doing a solid job
2020-07-29 05:23
ZywOos rating was similar when he was 16yo in EU.
2020-07-29 07:52
is there any possibility for nitr0 igling for faze? :/
2020-07-29 04:48
RiP EliGE-nitr0 duet One of the longest duets in CSGO history
2020-07-29 04:48
*One of the longest duets in NA CS:GO history
2020-07-29 15:40
#160
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Singapore Jaredlkj
Nitro to coach get rid of adren pls
2020-07-29 04:48
#161
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South Africa @FyreCS
I don’t like this move... Stew igling is not the move either Would’ve like if anything Shakezullah join and get a permanent awper with Naf as secondary awp Definitely an IGL and an awper, keep the core of Elige, Naf, Twistzz
2020-07-29 04:49
#242
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Philippines B3nk4i
Bro Shakezullah is an absolute BOT, but i see what you mean liquid need a good Igl but what igls are in NA. most of them are either soo bad skill wise might as not pick them up or they’re just retired Or in other teams
2020-07-29 07:37
Expected from god grim
2020-07-29 04:51
DESERVED!!!
2020-07-29 04:54
what will happen to liquid point in RtR? reduction 20%? thats huge bro..
2020-07-29 04:58
They are still qualified rn. As challengers though
2020-07-29 05:00
#174
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Sweden dogtown
Feel bad for grim. He is joining a team of EGO's.. This isn't gonna work lol.
2020-07-29 05:04
LOL liquid has basically no ego, especially before stewie joined. liquid was the most timid team in top 5, never trash talked anyone btw fan of faze XAXAXAXAXAXAXA with NiKo and cold
2020-07-29 05:24
#252
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Sweden dogtown
Relax dude all I said was they have EGO's it's pretty obvious.. I mean if we are mocking supporting people you support a kid that looks like a pedo. But that's America.. Your parents are probably pedos.
2020-07-29 08:07
Damn nitr0 been a pillar of liquid forever it’s sad to see him go
2020-07-29 05:05
not sure if he'll fit tbh
2020-07-29 05:08
the big brain in Team Liquid. good luck
2020-07-29 05:10
There we go, minus one contender for top titles, lets see who else changes players :D
2020-07-29 05:11
Nitr0 doesn't deserve this!
2020-07-29 05:12
next -stew + some decent igl ez era
2020-07-29 05:14
Thats nice
2020-07-29 05:16
Please Grim don't go to the gyn and ruin your career, stay fat
2020-07-29 05:17
#186
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Macau j0g
that's an upgrade imo
2020-07-29 05:20
FINALLY
2020-07-29 05:20
Lmao I can't wait for the thread "- grim, -stew" couple months later from now I wanna see Liquid fanboys crying about this move
2020-07-29 05:23
wait, what? this supossed to happen a year ago
2020-07-29 05:25
Bot Stewie still not kicked nice
2020-07-29 05:48
Oh, no :/. Nitr0 is one of the reasons I liked Liquid.
2020-07-29 05:54
feelsbadman to see nitr0 depart at a low point in his career. wish him all the best and I hope he is successful in his upcoming rosters. sincerely, a liquid fan.
2020-07-29 05:56
F Nitr0 good luck legendo
2020-07-29 05:58
Somewhere in my soul, I am hoping he comes to faze to bring calmness to the team. Nitr0 (IGL) NiKo coldzera rain broky Man...... Please FaZe....... NiKo come on man.
2020-07-29 06:00
Kekw... Na scene in shambles
2020-07-29 06:04
#214
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Pakistan LoOuU2
F , he gonna be missed. Hope he doesnt disappear or retire from the scene and gets into some other team, still quite young. I sadly dont see him gettin into a Tier 1 team. However, kinda strange that a team with Ellige, NAF and Twistzz still prioritizes to get more firepower. Would have rather got some dedicated IGL or atleast an awper.
2020-07-29 06:07
Please remove Stewie instead.
2020-07-29 06:22
Pog
2020-07-29 06:23
I hope he can retire feeling accomplished and have kids and a family with his wife, honestly.
2020-07-29 06:25
Grim OP
2020-07-29 06:28
no :( hope he doesnt move to valorant..
2020-07-29 06:33
Good luck liquid , good job nitro
2020-07-29 06:33
why not leaf?? =(
2020-07-29 06:36
#228
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Denmark Jonasnhj
I've been watching Grim for some time now, and he is very talented
2020-07-29 06:37
End of an era
2020-07-29 06:43
He seemed to be a good guy :))
2020-07-29 08:54
i hope he doesnt end up moving to valorant if he doesnt succeed in liquid
2020-07-29 06:52
online era broke Liquid. gl to nitr0
2020-07-29 07:03
#238
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China NeverEnd
Damn. its good. But sad that nitr0 has to be gone
2020-07-29 07:11
#240
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Philippines B3nk4i
Good damn this fucking stings, Like i know liquid have been struggling and they needed a change in their lineup bit still man Big F’s for nitr0 Hope he doesn’t move to valorant
2020-07-29 07:32
They had to make a change, whole team has been underperforming for months... i can't think of anyone being cut other than nitro, like dude was awping and he is not primarily an awper, sucks to be him, he will surely find a team where he can rifle again
2020-07-29 07:34
about time, not sure why they didnt acted faster
2020-07-29 07:38
#244
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Russia LeGoBoys
Imagine retiring having less than 5 majors. Typical NA
2020-07-29 07:38
imagine thinking this is a good move hahaahha
2020-07-29 07:46
#249
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Russia razorVJ
nitr0 is god
2020-07-29 08:01
WHo the fuck is GRIM. GET THE FUCK OUT, He no aimer god
2020-07-29 08:05
He's actually a God
2020-07-29 08:57
But teamless? How is that possible?
2020-07-29 09:04
They still need to replace twistzzz with an actual awper
2020-07-29 08:09
twistzz isn't their awper tho
2020-07-29 09:04
#254
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Germany ConAction
I mean it makes a lot of sense to sign Grim but nitr0 just doesnt deserve it tbh he picked up so many bad roles and positions and was so loyal for TL... he got punished for trying out as ingame leader.. sad!
2020-07-29 08:08
I agree :(
2020-07-29 09:49
You will be missed Nitr0 :)
2020-07-29 08:12
Wtf
2020-07-29 08:15
Oh my
2020-07-29 08:23
stupid choice
2020-07-29 08:33
#262
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Ukraine felzcsgo
North +nitr0 +smooya
2020-07-29 08:33
#264
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Bulgaria GNMitev
Nitro was bot last 6 months
2020-07-29 08:48
hopefully stewie or twistz goes next. In my opinion liquid will never be a top contender with both of them on the team now.
2020-07-29 09:00
#273
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Denmark Dust_2_Go
Why, there are so many other ways to spice up the roster, 1st -stew/Nitr0 + Brezhe/idfk 2nd -Adren seriously how is Adren still on the most prestigious NA org.
2020-07-29 09:07
ok that makes liquid look dangerous
2020-07-29 09:10
Man, things are looking grim aren't they
2020-07-29 09:14
Rip Captain America He was the only one I liked the most in NA CS SCENE. F U snake_2k. Snake_2k ruins every roster he goes in.
2020-07-29 09:16
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined F
2020-07-29 09:16
:( F
2020-07-29 09:48
idk it doesnt seem smart to kick the dude who igled when they were #1 because of a slow online season.
2020-07-29 09:17
+1 Liquid were a top2 team before online era started. It's stupid to do roster changes before LANs start again
2020-07-29 10:22
Looks like Boombl4 on minimals.
2020-07-29 09:20
#282
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Sweden Svahn
Things are looking Grim
2020-07-29 09:20
F liquid
2020-07-29 09:21
Now -2kbot +any igl and its actually a good top 3 contender again
2020-07-29 09:23
#287
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Chile nachooww
gg this bot
2020-07-29 09:25
#288
REZ | 
Mexico PS4
RIP NITR0
2020-07-29 09:31
I don't like this.
2020-07-29 09:35
ok
2020-07-29 09:35
stewart still on the team lul
2020-07-29 09:46
#300
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United Kingdom _xC4ctus
FUCK this hurts
2020-07-29 09:49
Watch how Liquid transforms him into a Chad
2020-07-29 09:50
#302
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Ukraine EmErAJID
Gg lulquid.
2020-07-29 09:51
wtf lmao. good job bot2k classic NA scene.
2020-07-29 10:00
actually is sad to see that nitro is leaving. But for liquid its a good pick up, grim is a good player and i hope liquid will be top 1 again
2020-07-29 10:07
#306
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Germany Pforzfox
Feeling sad for nitr0 and junior tho - the former always gave everything for the team and never complained, the latter will be left behind on Triumph, which without grim most likely will perform much worse, decreasing the chances for junior to be picked up by a bigger org himself
2020-07-29 10:09
Yeah, Triumph and Shakezullah especially, this'll feel like a kick in the gut to lose their star player, hope they can find someone else to fit the system and carry on climbing (though saying that they have had to make a recent change anyway so they'll need time to rebuild). Nitr0 should be able to find another team somewhere, nobody would turn down a guy with his experience
2020-07-29 10:51
Yeah, Triumph and Shakezullah especially, this'll feel like a kick in the gut to lose their star player, hope they can find someone else to fit the system and carry on climbing (though saying that they have had to make a recent change anyway so they'll need time to rebuild). Nitr0 should be able to find another team somewhere, nobody would turn down a guy with his experience
2020-07-29 10:51
Holy shit what a great move could be Nitr0 without being IGL is low Fragger Grim much better
2020-07-29 10:14
This could also be a financial decision as well as tactical. Though I'm not sure the details of any contracts and buyouts, I think its more than likely true that Grim is cheaper to lock down than nitro. Its no secret that lots of the big CS teams lose money every year. Maybe months of winning next to no prize money on top of no LANs with media coverage has Liquid thinking that a cheap up-and-comer is the best route to take. Im sure Liquid has plenty of cash but lots of big Esports Orgs are losing big money each year on their CS teams but take the hit because of the awareness it brings to their ORG. No LANs for months or planned LANS for the future might have them taking an ever bigger hit.
2020-07-29 10:15
Lol
2020-07-29 10:15
nitr0 has been really bad recently, and Grim is fucking nuts. I think this change is great, and with this Liquid can be TOP 5 team again.
2020-07-29 10:15
FaZe nitr0 inc. BOIIIS. Liquid will be nowhere near good team after kicking nitr0. Fucking dogshit team.
2020-07-29 10:18
why would they do this before LANs even start? They were doing great before the online era (They were losing to astralis in every grand final, but still)
2020-07-29 10:20
Finally they can win a major
2020-07-29 10:23
#320
keev | 
Germany _PH1L
Well that’s it for na if EG doesn’t find a challenger they will get more and more casual
2020-07-29 10:25
Ripquid
2020-07-29 10:42
kinda sad to see nitr0 leaving since he has been contributing for the team alot during 5 years. Anyways, good luck to the future nitr0!
2020-07-29 10:43
#330
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Indonesia Journeast
As always, expect the unexpected.
2020-07-29 10:44
My man nitr0, seems like the "dad" of the team. Wierd since he is only 24 years old, but I can't see anyone else take on a calm leading role on that team. Stew? Twistzz? Naf? Elige? Will be intersting for sure.
2020-07-29 10:52
Stew for sure
2020-07-29 11:34
Expectered AF. He was dogshit for way too long to stay on the roster when hes not even IGLing. There are quite a few promising talents still left in NA scene (which hasn't been case for a while until 2020), i am wondering who will try to grab one of those next.
2020-07-29 10:53
who take the awp stew? hahaha rip
2020-07-29 10:59
Lately nitr0 didn't awp, most likely Stew and NAF
2020-07-29 11:45
#338
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Brazil fazecrack
leaf > grim
2020-07-29 10:59
lol
2020-07-29 11:10
#343
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Poland Hanse
rip every NA fantasy
2020-07-29 11:33
#346
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Mexico sneakyboy
liquid top1 na inc
2020-07-29 11:34
FUCK
2020-07-29 11:37
Imagine replacing one of the best players in NA with some kid that couldnt even beat 88 placed Levitate Hope this helps
2020-07-29 11:39
ENCE 2.0?
2020-07-29 11:42
nitr0 should continue playing even though doing a bad performance recently
2020-07-29 11:46
#354
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Indonesia rezrex
A good move cuz nitr0 is a bot
2020-07-29 11:48
why no -stew?
2020-07-29 11:48
no main awper no win in 2020
2020-07-29 11:53
Finally a change...
2020-07-29 12:01
This will hurt Liquid long-term R.I.P nitr0
2020-07-29 12:02
its will be quite the opposite actually.
2020-07-29 13:22
-veteran -24yo Being IGL is a damn stupid role, always gets the blame and first to kick, rip nitr0
2020-07-29 12:03
but stew is igl now
2020-07-29 13:19
expected GL nitr0 and plz dont shift to valorant you can still do it in another roster
2020-07-29 12:05
So sad to here Nitr0 is leaving Liquid, he was the hearth and soul of that team. GL & HF in the Future Nitr0
2020-07-29 12:07
the guy played for liquid his whole career damn 5 years or1989 days
2020-07-29 12:09
Interesting change gl in the future
2020-07-29 12:10
Expected
2020-07-29 12:18
didnt nitro become father and marries like in the last 2 years? pretty smart move to retire. for some free time.
2020-07-29 12:19
kinda wish Gen.G would get rid of koosta and scoop up Grim instead
2020-07-29 12:24
Not welcomed in Sexysquad
2020-07-29 12:24
#379
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Europe Lupuu
Nooooo :(((
2020-07-29 12:42
#381
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Poland morosek
Imagine kicking nitro when you have bot2k in your team
2020-07-29 12:48
so expected
2020-07-29 12:53
Now Lulquid is Liquid again, GOD Grim
2020-07-29 12:54
Good. Can't believe they have keep him for so long(JDM LEVEL).
2020-07-29 13:01
liquid back to top 1 NA now
2020-07-29 13:18
idk man EG with zews have been looking really strong
2020-07-29 13:20
true, lately they have shown life again but grim, naf and elige is GGWP
2020-07-29 13:20
Good change but liquid still doesnt have a proper awper. I hope they can transition one of the players to awp full time rather than to have the gun on certain players on certain maps
2020-07-29 13:18
They should get Cerq at one of these days
2020-07-30 03:35
Not -Stew???
2020-07-29 13:18
+111111 wtf is this
2020-07-29 13:20
because stewie is a much better player
2020-07-29 13:58
stew has fanboys so they wanna keep him for that. money > winning in esports
2020-07-29 15:02
xd
2020-07-29 13:22
Would be happy for Grim but this would be sad for Triumph
2020-07-29 13:30
Liquid era is BACK
2020-07-29 13:31
#402
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Brazil Fauchard
kick the 2 canadians
2020-07-29 13:43
expected from 3rd world 60 iq
2020-07-29 15:04
#442
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Brazil Fauchard
kick the terrance and phillip
2020-07-30 00:30
#403
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Australia closet
sad for one of my favourite players and the heart of the team :(
2020-07-29 13:46
huge. respect to nitr0 for his time at liquid. a real og
2020-07-29 13:49
thx Nitr0 for this step and being realistic, great move for TL gl
2020-07-29 15:04
Nice to see that Grim got an opportunity in a top NA team, he was showing really good performances...
2020-07-29 15:05
Grim deserved the opportunity, he is a monster. But who is gonna be the future IGL?
2020-07-29 15:13
Pretty sad about nitr0 to leave though. If it also was for sympathy I'd rather get rid of Stew than Nick. But it is what it is. In the end it's still a business.
2020-07-29 15:15
#420
ZywOo | 
India aR__
Nitr0 wasn't the problem, bot2k was the problem. Well, excited to see where life takes Nitr0 next... Maybe +nitr0 + smooya and 3 other players new team?
2020-07-29 15:25
Stew has a chance to blossom now into his highest potential that he can be.
2020-07-29 15:26
What is your definition of "blossom" in regard to S2k? With Naf, Elige, Twistzz. strategies that put assets in the right spots is significantly more fruitful than S2k getting off the bottom of the scoreboard. That's been the problem w/ Liquid over the past year, emphasizing the wrong player. Who cares how well S2k performs. Twistzz and Naf's decent nto mediocrity during S2k's late tenure is s significantly more troubling. He obviously has the reigns of the team. Now IGL. Nitr0 traded for more potential fire power. One could easily suspect that as S2k, the major winner, the #1 USA earner influences the direction of Liquid, the successful version of Team Liquid fades away. Always my concern, post-Taco. Initially the brand new S2k, the subordinate support S2k with better aim than Taco lead to immediate success. But as S2k became comfortable with guiding decisions for the group, the group itself obviously very passive individuals, compliant, the original successful dynamic faded away.
2020-07-29 16:24
#444
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Brazil hugoooo
S2k
2020-07-30 02:14
Stewie has been helping the Nitro with IGLing since a long time
2020-07-30 03:34
#425
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Sweden fastflop
Remember when stewie said that every team had that one fat guy?
2020-07-29 15:39
Way too soon for that, they should have waited until they had at least one bootcamp in EU and one or two EU LAN tournaments before kicking him.
2020-07-29 15:43
what are lol bb captain america.stew in roster lol
2020-07-29 16:07
#430
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United States xiquo
gg bro
2020-07-29 17:23
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Stew isn’t a real IGL ELIGE will step down next
2020-07-29 18:09
sad for Triumph.
2020-07-29 18:57
damn why my favourite player in NA gotta go to my least favourite team in NA :((( triumph had a good thing goin man sad to see if this happens, big oppurtunity for grim though so congrats :D now if only they would kick twistzz or stewie and add junior they could have a proper awper finally
2020-07-29 19:06
I dont see how this is the right change. You are removing a guy with a ton of experience and IGL knowledge for a kid with aim. The problem with Liquid has never been the fragging, its the tactical side of the game and I dont see how Stew is the solution for that
2020-07-29 19:23
Nitro hasn't been IGLing for a long time.
2020-07-30 03:32
I never said he had.
2020-07-30 10:33
Is there any NA team that nitr0 could join? Complexity perhaps?
2020-07-29 19:28
Maybe, since they need 3 NA players to play the Majors from NA quali so they might get him.
2020-07-30 03:33
#439
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United States DiabIo
<3 Nitr0
2020-07-29 19:46
lol he’s just gonna to the valorant like the rest of NA
2020-07-29 21:06
#441
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Europe Vallon4
Wtf, not nitr0, he seems like a good guy.
2020-07-29 22:53
#456
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Hungary fasomlul
it doesnt mean he is good anymore xD
2020-07-30 07:30
C9 here's your chance
2020-07-30 03:37
Who the fuck's this dude? Rather get a european youngster and just let him frag out.
2020-07-30 15:42
he's literally the best NA player not on a team. also how would they get a European player during a pandemic
2020-07-31 00:49
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