ENCE suspend Twista after 2017 coaching bug use admission

The coach was suspended until further notice after notifying the organization of a one-time coaching bug incident from 2017, before he joined ENCE.

The organization has consulted the Esports Integrity Commission (ESIC) and, despite receiving assurances that Slaava "⁠Twista⁠" Räsänen can continue to coach during the investigation, decided to act on the information that the Finnish veteran used the infamous bug.

As the incident happened in 2017, it most likely concerns iGame.com, where the 33-year-old began his coaching career after transitioning to the new role from a playing position in late 2016. It is unclear to what degree he exploited the bug.

Twista follows the lead of the likes of pita and Rejin

ENCE have stated that they have no reason to believe Twista was responsible for any foul play since he became their head coach in August 2018. The organization will now wait for the conclusion of the investigation, which is expected to take two to three weeks according to ESIC.

Twista comes after a long line of coaches who have either been implicated or came forward to admit their use of the exploit. His admission came within the official "confession period", which ESIC opened until September 13 after launching a mass investigation into the bug's historical abuse.

So far, Aleksandr "⁠zoneR⁠" Bogatiryev, Nicolai "⁠HUNDEN⁠" Petersen, and Ricardo "⁠dead⁠" Sinigaglia are the only coaches to receive formal punishments, but more are likely to follow as the investigation progresses. You can keep track of the most notable cases in our article "Updates on 'The Purge': How the coaching bug has rocked the CS:GO world", which is being updated as new information comes to light.

Denmark Nicolai 'HUNDEN' Petersen
Nicolai 'HUNDEN' Petersen
Age:
29
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.81
Maps played:
1578
KPR:
0.55
DPR:
0.70
APR:
0.14
Brazil Ricardo 'dead' Sinigaglia
Ricardo 'dead' Sinigaglia
Age:
34
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
6
KPR:
0.59
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.08
Finland Slaava 'Twista' Räsänen
Slaava 'Twista' Räsänen
Age:
33
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.85
Maps played:
380
KPR:
0.59
DPR:
0.70
APR:
0.16
Russia Aleksandr 'zoneR' Bogatiryev
Aleksandr 'zoneR' Bogatiryev
Age:
33
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.86
Maps played:
102
KPR:
0.61
DPR:
0.73
APR:
0.16
omegalul
2020-09-11 12:01
Twista, Jamppi... Ban this team please.
2020-09-11 12:03
+1 LMAO
2020-09-11 12:08
agreed
2020-09-11 12:08
+1000 the only thing ence is doing is triggering valve
2020-09-11 12:13
their music kit was getting valve big moneys tho ;)
2020-09-11 12:15
#126
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Finland JooonsMO
I tough it was Verkkars music kit
2020-09-11 12:33
valve definitely gets a cut
2020-09-11 12:34
u mean verkkars definitely get a cut:D
2020-09-11 12:43
EZ 4 ENCE
2020-09-11 12:45
Valve loves sharing money with valve. With not-valve, not so much.
2020-09-11 17:27
But the song was made cuz of ence
2020-09-11 14:58
#293
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Finland JooonsMO
song was also made cuz someone invented songs and someone invented singing and someone invented rapping.....
2020-09-11 15:51
but the casual impact is far higher
2020-09-11 15:50
Same as they nerfed kenny while he makes valve more money than any other pro.
2020-09-12 14:55
+1 Ahahahaha
2020-09-11 12:45
#168
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Finland ollli
Don't forget natu lol
2020-09-11 13:09
+1
2020-09-11 13:47
hahahahahah
2020-09-11 13:55
LMFAO
2020-09-11 13:58
#277
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France Lili___
+1
2020-09-11 15:19
+1 lol
2020-09-11 18:40
+1
2020-09-11 19:56
+1
2020-09-12 11:00
+1
2020-09-12 11:35
Flag not checks out lol
2020-09-13 11:38
+8 wtf
2020-09-11 18:41
#2
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Finland Cucumber))
Wow
2020-09-11 12:01
Expected from ENCE
2020-09-11 13:36
#251
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Finland Nollegee
Actually i had a gut that this would happen sooner or later
2020-09-11 14:40
all the finnish people in this thread seem to dislike ence, how come?
2020-09-11 14:48
#273
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Finland Khroni
most people still dont like what they did to Aleksi and since they got rid of him and x7 the team just doesnt feel the same anymore
2020-09-11 15:05
could you explain the aleksib situation pls?
2020-09-11 15:14
#282
ZywOo | 
India aR__
Aleksi got kicked after the starladder berlin major because they thought that they were lacking "Firepower" , they were still good and room for improvement but still decided to kick aleksi and make allu cap and add sunny for firepower... Which turned out to be a really bad decision
2020-09-11 15:32
thank you
2020-09-11 15:39
Plus, with aleksib they had a really good map pool that compete against everyone (- astralis) and after kicking him they started to play really really bad.
2020-09-11 17:14
Aleksi said on a Finnish podcast (urheilucast) that that was taken from an interview and was twisted to be pretty much wrong, just like the "more fun" comments by aerial that were not intended in bad spirit like it seemed to us. It was some higher-ups at ENCE who didn't like Aleksib as a person and forced him out.
2020-09-12 10:55
allu was always captain, aleksib was only igl
2020-09-12 11:19
I'm interested to hear what you think is the difference?
2020-09-12 20:28
i don´t rly know but allu was cap while aleksib was igl
2020-09-13 13:06
This is wrong information. There was no reason "lacking firepower", there was personal reasons in team that resulted in benching aleksib. Were it leading style, or other player chemistry reasons, doesn't matter, point is, if people don't get along, they don't get along and it will show in performance sooner or later.
2020-09-12 17:28
Most kids doesnt understand business and legit have below 50iq*
2020-09-11 19:58
#361
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Finland Khroni
the business side was understood the contract situation was half the anger at the decision its that no one other than the orgs themselves give a shit about the business side
2020-09-11 20:09
I like ENCE but most people just dislike ENCE cuz of Aleksib
2020-09-11 15:47
#377
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Finland JooonsMO
+100 idk why so many has crush on aleksibot. Well most of them are new to esports so the dont know a shit...
2020-09-12 00:11
dont tell me u think that Ence is better after removing Aleksib
2020-09-12 02:54
I don't think anyone can say that and i wish Aleksib would've got to stay since he literally made every player shine more and is a great igl but still i root for ENCE over OG
2020-09-12 09:23
Look at Aerial, Xseven and Sergej with and without Aleksib. Aerial and Xseven are mediocre but Aleksib makes them play like a TOP30 players, Sergej is a really great talent but he played like a Top 5 players with Aleksib.
2020-09-12 09:53
I mean sergej doesn't look like anything he was last year
2020-09-12 09:55
True True
2020-09-12 11:39
#414
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Finland Nollegee
+100 very well said
2020-09-12 20:40
#416
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Finland (RANE)
because they literaly can't think for them selfs
2020-09-13 08:18
#3
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Brazil LuizMoreno
Deserced
2020-09-11 12:02
#60
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Brazil LuizMoreno
Deserved
2020-09-11 12:09
you can edit your reply lol
2020-09-11 12:26
In the first five minutes
2020-09-11 14:17
Ahhh good to know. Appreciate it :)
2020-09-12 13:20
u cant edit idiot furia fan btw 3iq
2020-09-11 14:17
Only in first 5 minutes. Fallen fan btw 0iq
2020-09-11 14:29
Did they change it from 10 to 5 min?
2020-09-11 15:30
Si sénor
2020-09-11 18:04
wow, the next one :(
2020-09-11 12:02
#5
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Poland Julka
Oh noo next
2020-09-11 12:02
kek
2020-09-11 12:02
sad
2020-09-11 12:02
twista, then jamppii, please ban this org already...
2020-09-11 18:20
jamppi was banned while in SJ and later joined ence
2020-09-12 11:24
Jamppi banned, Natu banned, Twista banned. Cheater team, Valve should ban the whole team already.
2020-09-11 12:02
#31
dRiim | 
Finland dRiim
man of culture i see <3 not many remember natu using wallhack
2020-09-11 12:04
#39
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Malaysia Suno[t]
lol driim. you must be chuckling at these incidents when you used to play there were so many cheaters right haha
2020-09-11 12:05
#50
dRiim | 
Finland dRiim
MM is filled with cheaters, in finnish clanbase ladders u would already know beforehand the enemy had a cheater because they just kept changing their nicknames... the known people u could trust i don't remember anyone cheating against me in a real game the "cheater" clips nowadays dont include information from teammates, or sounds so they are not useful at all imo.
2020-09-11 12:09
This was like when I used to play black hawk down. You knew which teams had cheaters and bug abusers going into the match.
2020-09-11 15:43
moi
2020-09-11 12:09
#62
dRiim | 
Finland dRiim
hellurei
2020-09-11 12:09
Pen15 is my name
2020-09-11 14:42
name checks out
2020-09-11 15:05
Perkele
2020-09-11 17:31
#96
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Estonia mr_abdul
fr? when was that?
2020-09-11 12:19
it was eurocup or nationscup game in clanbase maybe in 2005... they played dust2 for all i can remember i'm sure there is a video of it somewhere
2020-09-11 12:25
It was a gather game, not maybe HAWAMOTO etc. but there was news about it on fragbite and gotfrag
2020-09-11 13:52
it was clanbase for sure, it must have been prior to hawamoto even existed... i might be wrong tho
2020-09-11 14:29
yeah i remember that incident, but i think it was around hawamoto time.
2020-09-11 14:49
early 2005 it says... maybe it was hawamoto, i cant really remember these times anymore. are u pUluu? xDD
2020-09-11 15:04
Yeah definitely clanbase stuff, I remember it well. Offtopic but I scrimmed against ;AINESTA quite a few times back in the days
2020-09-11 17:46
:P
2020-09-12 13:47
m.youtube.com/watch?v=rCQ296GirKg There are hawamoto players, natu didn't play hawamoto
2020-09-12 17:28
#339
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Estonia mr_abdul
damn thanks grandpa :)
2020-09-11 17:34
xDD np
2020-09-12 13:48
#66
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Serbia LtN))
+1
2020-09-11 12:10
#98
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Ukraine ksay
natu banned? for what
2020-09-11 12:19
cheating
2020-09-11 12:21
#106
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Ukraine ksay
you mean he used soft?
2020-09-11 12:22
yes. hltv.org/news/4408/top-10-players-caught.. place 4, cheating + bypassing the ban with other acc
2020-09-11 12:23
#116
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Ukraine ksay
lol i never knew though not gonna hold a grudge for something he did 15years ago
2020-09-11 12:25
lul
2020-09-11 12:03
XD
2020-09-11 12:03
xD
2020-09-11 12:03
rip cs scene
2020-09-11 12:03
long it lasted my friend, now lets go back to t3 cs and wait for new ence roster to flop
2020-09-11 12:50
#18
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Finland Teukkasd
Rip
2020-09-11 12:03
#22
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Serbia LtN))
Ok
2020-09-11 12:04
+1
2020-09-11 17:14
nice valve
2020-09-11 12:04
Vittu
2020-09-11 12:04
#25
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Finland Autisthicc
well its not that bad, its not like ence would do anything with the rmr points..
2020-09-11 12:04
Only teams who used it in RMR events get the reset
2020-09-11 12:06
bug wasn't used in an rmr event > no points reset
2020-09-11 12:07
He was coaching igame.com at that time anyway, also only applies to cheating in rmr events
2020-09-11 12:07
ENCE have a lot rmr points? And this doesnt change effect on those points at all
2020-09-11 12:09
#59
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Finland Autisthicc
yes i know this now if you look at all the replies to me
2020-09-11 12:09
EZ4ENCE
2020-09-11 12:04
#28
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Hong Kong freehk
lol
2020-09-11 12:04
lmao
2020-09-11 12:04
xD
2020-09-11 12:04
#33
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Hungary subzera
fluke team
2020-09-11 12:04
#35
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Czech Republic Kiki420
these comments from crying fanboys whose team lost to ENCE are funny af .
2020-09-11 12:05
time to actulize the bingo boiss
2020-09-11 12:05
Another one
2020-09-11 12:05
#40
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Sweden Lingon
He was Coach for iGame.com in 2017
2020-09-11 12:06
EZ FOR ENCE .....
2020-09-11 12:06
#45
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Sweden flippig
Bug just got fixed but nobody used recently only back in 2017 etc.. kekw
2020-09-11 12:07
wtf
2020-09-11 12:07
2017...Ok.
2020-09-11 12:07
#55
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Netherlands itsm
Valve should be sued for letting this even be possible.. someones life is at stakes.. cant blame coaches as apprantly everyone has done it
2020-09-11 12:09
oh well valve knew about it and they fucked it up but it still isnt an excuse for coaches
2020-09-11 12:15
Yep. At least Pita had tried to tell them years ago. No response until now.
2020-09-11 22:07
#57
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Turkey TR_top_1
Rip CS
2020-09-11 12:09
lol
2020-09-11 12:09
Coach only KEKW
2020-09-11 12:10
Who next??? Zews or maybe Jumpy
2020-09-11 12:10
Zews Zonic only two who im sure they didnt use
2020-09-11 12:11
Next I think be from EU Fnatic or NIP imo
2020-09-11 12:11
nah bro, we safe
2020-09-11 13:06
I hope
2020-09-11 13:32
People say zonic abused the shit out of it in prac games so Astralis could learn the strats better. (apparently demo recording is off in many prac games)
2020-09-11 12:19
lol sounds like a bs rumour that literally has no evidence to support it.
2020-09-11 12:24
Agreed, but wouldn’t be surprised either.
2020-09-11 12:55
Tbf, it would make sense for players to play with wallhack in practice, it would make better your awareness around smokes and walls. I think there are some maps in the workshop with transparent walls
2020-09-11 13:33
Bitch
2020-09-11 12:10
3 cheaters in one org lmao. Remember when kqly got vac banned and the whole org imploded?
2020-09-11 12:11
#78
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Estonia qoznyyy
3? what
2020-09-11 12:13
Jamppi Natu Twista
2020-09-11 12:15
FaZe be like: YNK why you are the only one who didnt use? cmonBruh
2020-09-11 12:12
Damn twista our half ruski friend..... :(
2020-09-11 12:13
Axxaxxa
2020-09-11 12:12
RMR reset?
2020-09-11 12:12
What RMR event was in 2017?
2020-09-11 12:19
Nope
2020-09-11 12:21
#75
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Lithuania KingOfPing
2017 he was in other team :DD this lineup start playing in 2018, dumb moves from some teams :D same mouz does :D
2020-09-11 12:12
#88
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Finland Karri
sub75 iq
2020-09-11 12:16
If you come out and tell ppl you did it almost 4 years ago and gets punished.. noone is gonna watch all your demos since then to see if he used it again later - cuz ppl think "Oh he came out and got his punishment - lets move on to the next guy".
2020-09-11 12:17
#119
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Finland Hei456
Twista just saved ENCE's rmr points 1000iq
2020-09-11 12:26
They're already gone through all tier 1 events from 2020 so 0/8
2020-09-11 13:23
lol i fucking predicted this a few days ago. sauce: hltv.org/forums/threads/2353641/next-coa..
2020-09-11 12:17
Goat
2020-09-11 12:48
Gz you are my hero
2020-09-11 16:28
#79
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Ukraine Dert38
Jammpi so good bro unique playa
2020-09-11 12:13
Twista used the bug in 2017??? Are you stupid or dumb?
2020-09-11 14:00
#220
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Ukraine Dert38
kkkkkkkkkkk
2020-09-11 14:01
#263
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Finland Nollegee
He is 0iq from chernobyl so dont care mate
2020-09-11 14:54
deserved
2020-09-11 12:13
#83
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Estonia sEEmANN
hahahahahaha
2020-09-11 12:15
damn
2020-09-11 12:16
F
2020-09-11 12:17
ahhahaahah
2020-09-11 12:18
What a joke team. I liked them with Aleksi, he carried these noobs to be a good team, but after they kicked him i dislike them very much. Then they admitted cheater Jamppi, and now this. 0 respect for this cheating ass team.
2020-09-11 12:20
#196
AM | 
Asia Yarrak
i arent think that
2020-09-11 13:44
expected, the team of cheaters
2020-09-11 12:21
2017 KEKW
2020-09-11 12:21
LMAOOO
2020-09-11 12:22
2017 lol, just forgive anyone who used the bug over half a year ago. I mean what game did they even play in 2017? 1.6?
2020-09-11 12:22
Would understand if Twista gets punishment but if it affects on ENCE org I am surprised
2020-09-11 12:26
#115
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Afghanistan TaIiban
OH NOOOO 😂
2020-09-11 12:25
#117
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Dominican Republic Numb_
valve: "bugs?? okay...we have a new case for you"
2020-09-11 12:25
#122
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Finland pilttib
yeah happened in 2017...very sad and
2020-09-11 12:29
#124
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Switzerland x676
lmao
2020-09-11 12:32
Turns out everyone knew KEKW
2020-09-11 12:33
and another one
2020-09-11 12:33
LMAO
2020-09-11 12:34
#131
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Panama Bill_Bait
Fucking ENCE 2 cheaters in the team ahaha
2020-09-11 12:36
3 " Jamppi Twista Natu
2020-09-11 20:02
#363
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Panama Bill_Bait
Holy shit, how is ence still even a thing? Home of cheater fucking hell
2020-09-11 20:58
just like finnish MM players
2020-09-12 04:25
ENCE team of cheaters ROFL ENCE have ZERO respect for counter-strike
2020-09-11 12:36
lol braindead?
2020-09-11 13:35
if by braindead you mean ridiculously intelligent, then yes
2020-09-11 13:40
lol delusional too
2020-09-11 13:40
sorry i think my english is a lot better than yours, there seems to be a language barrier here
2020-09-11 13:42
*Uk flag* "my english is better" ok fancyteeth.
2020-09-11 14:28
lol ok brainlet go speak your extinct language
2020-09-11 14:35
Go see a dentist and enjoy those horcefaces you see everywhere in your country.
2020-09-11 14:39
🥱🥱🥱 epic burn
2020-09-11 14:42
Funny how you fancyteeth feel superior with your bilingual brain to people who speak 3 languages on average...
2020-09-11 14:45
Could you be any more mad? LMAO
2020-09-11 14:46
Not much of a counter argument but i suppose you dont have the necessary brainpower needed for such.
2020-09-11 14:52
i didnt read your reply but thanks
2020-09-11 14:53
Sure you didnt kid.
2020-09-11 14:54
How would you know? p.s didn't read this reply either
2020-09-11 14:55
Sure you didnt kid. Closed.
2020-09-11 14:57
You Fins are so ez
2020-09-11 14:58
Having an argument with an idiot is like playing chess with a monkey. Eitherway it goes the monkey will throw the pieces everywhere and shit on the board.
2020-09-11 15:01
youtube.com/watch?v=r_4ljmNjl-A I think the monkey may have potential
2020-09-11 15:03
#364
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Panama Bill_Bait
Home of cheater* I can't believe ENCE is till a thing
2020-09-11 20:59
just get rid of all coaches they are overpaid mascots doing nothing in most of teams anyway xD
2020-09-11 12:37
#134
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Finland OldStager
KEKW
2020-09-11 12:37
Come on... #FREETWISTA
2020-09-11 12:40
NEXT NEWS: Jamppi's friend it's sergej
2020-09-11 12:41
This is a shame for csgo scene, as people are gonna see it as a joke now
2020-09-11 12:41
i like that this bug and some other similarities still exist in the game, has existed for years and still havent been fixed xdd fuck you valve
2020-09-11 12:42
#143
Xyp9x | 
Hungary xAii
How is it possible that no one noticed this bug until now??
2020-09-11 12:45
#144
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Finland 5way
VITTU!
2020-09-11 12:47
Fuck
2020-09-11 12:47
#146
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Denmark Alphamon
Such a shame since Twista is a cs OG. Hope he didn't use it during his time with ENCE.
2020-09-11 12:47
#154
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Finland SininenMF
He was coaching iGame when he used it
2020-09-11 12:56
#375
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Denmark Alphamon
That much is clear yes, I read the article. Hope that's the only incident though and no additional cases are brought to light.
2020-09-11 23:35
#399
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Finland SininenMF
Well there is basically no reason for twista to lie about it if he has already decided to admit that he used the bug. Now he has some kind of a possibility to still have a career in esports after he has suffered the ban that he will get.
2020-09-12 11:28
Serious punishments for coaches (year suspension) who abused the bug recently in important tournaments are absolutely fine, but if we're going to suspend/ban all coaches for a significant time who abused the bug while coaching a tier 8 team years ago, we're not going to have any coaches left it seems. There should be some form of a punishment still, even for offenses that took place years ago, like giving up the prize money and maybe having a couple month ban. Yes in this case, it was ENCE's own decision and the coach isn't officially banned/suspended from competitive play yet, but if all these coaches get hefty bans, the scene is going to be fucked.
2020-09-11 12:54
why these coaches didn’t come up with this bug years ago? They just abuse the bug and now ppl crying "it was like 3y ago who cars" They had a chance confess or do things about this bug, but they decide cheat. ban for everyone who used this, no excuses.
2020-09-11 13:17
I'd love to see ruggah get caught just to see you do a complete 180 with your opinion
2020-09-11 13:21
my opinion does not change. why i care some danish coach? if he's cheater i have no respect and if he got banned im pleased. why you support cheaters? because you cheat aswell?
2020-09-11 13:24
I agree bans should be handed out even for minor offenses. After all, you did cheat and a punishment is warranted. But I think many of these bans, even for offenses that took place during tier 7 tournaments years ago, will end up being effectively lifetime bans, as you get banned for such a long period that you'll have to move on with your life and never return to the game and this will lead to a mass exodus of top tier CS coaching talent if the revelations keep coming at the current pace. The level of play will suffer considerably. We have to be careful with balancing punishment and keeping the scene relatively healthy.
2020-09-11 13:30
I didnt mean those guys deserve lifetime ban. But "couple of months" doesnt mean nothing. They need pretty long ban for sure, not lifetime.
2020-09-11 13:31
The most serious offenses, especially repeat offenders during important tournaments should face at least a year's ban, as well as forfeiting winnings etc. If we start handing out bans that last more than let's say 6 months for every coach that abused the bug in any context even for a single round no matter how many years ago, I don't think the crime fits the punishment. A ban that lasts 365 days isn't technically a lifetime ban, but this essentially ensures the coach will have to move on from CS GO very likely completely and with their life, as they have to pay their bills somehow. This means a year's ban will in effect be a lifetime one. Let's say you stick around for a year just fucking around. What happens after your ban is over? Your reputation is completely tarnished as you're a convicted cheater. There is no guarantee anyone wants to hire you, even if you were good coach. A coaching position was very volatile to begin with. Team is having bad results? Let's fire the coach. Considering all these factors, how can you justify NOT abandoning CS GO completely at that point and moving on with your life?
2020-09-11 13:43
Your reputation and credibility will be gone no matter if you get 6 months or 12 months ban because of you are cheater. I dont think its affect if someone want hire you anyway. Bans below 6 months means nothing. You may miss couple big events, so what. There is 2 major and around 10 big events in year so what if you miss 2-3 of them? It's not a punishment.
2020-09-11 13:58
> Your reputation and credibility will be gone no matter if you get 6 months or 12 months ban because of you are cheater Of course, but there's a stronger likelihood a team will rehire you as a coach after a shorter ban, as it's more likely that they haven't found a good replacement yet, you haven't lost your coaching touch to the same degree and you might still be up to date on the system the team is running. The team might even keep you on the payroll in another role if the duration is let's say 4 months. > Bans below 6 months means nothing. You may miss couple big events, so what. 6 months is an eternity in esports, considering how many events take place (or at least took place before covid). You could have team attending 2 big events in a month. Losing your coach for multiple months can cause an eternal slump for the team, that you might never recover from. None of this addresses my argument, which is that a year's ban will very likely force if not all, but vast majority of the coaches to seek other career paths in life and abandon CS GO completely, which means a year's ban will mean essentially the same as a permanent one.
2020-09-11 14:17
Omfg twista tooo?
2020-09-11 12:55
WHY WHY WHY WHY #FREEJAMPPI #FREEJAMPPI #FREEJAMPPI NOOOOOOOOOOO :D
2020-09-11 12:57
#160
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Germany DEBlL
:DDDDDDD
2020-09-11 13:01
#FreeSlaava
2020-09-11 13:46
#FreeJamppi hinuri
2020-09-11 16:59
ja #slaava
2020-09-11 17:02
eivaa jamppi is shit cheater kid #FreeSlaava is right #alfa
2020-09-11 17:09
Literally every coach is gonna get suspended...
2020-09-11 12:59
ez4ence
2020-09-11 13:00
#158
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Finland 0lter
ripppp
2020-09-11 13:00
#159
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Finland 7ones
Everybody was using the coaching bug. Stupid move from ENCE to ban this good spirit guy. It might even have been intentional bug so coaches can provide at least some value.
2020-09-11 13:00
#161
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Germany DEBlL
not everybody, only desperate and stupid coaches were using it, BIG never used coach bug, stop sending fake news, thanks
2020-09-11 13:03
#163
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Finland 7ones
BIG was so bad so it might even have been the case lol.
2020-09-11 13:04
#166
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Germany DEBlL
0/8 BIG is the greatest team of 2020
2020-09-11 13:06
#415
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Finland Orchard
Ahahahah sure. In LANs bug < any top 30
2020-09-12 23:41
big using different bug xD
2020-09-11 13:45
#204
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Germany DEBlL
but it was legal
2020-09-11 13:49
#167
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Finland Siika
ihan ok mut ootko nähny suomen cs skenestä jakson himo paska ence :D siinä esiintyy koko encen jengi joten myös allun poikaystävä sunnyn fanit saavat nauraa ja naurattaahan se tietty slaavan kilpailukiellot ja muut :D kannattaa kattoo nopee
2020-09-11 13:08
zonic next
2020-09-11 13:12
Everyone used it, just sad that it never got fixed by Valve. Incidents going as far back as 3-4 years surfacing now and punishes many active coaches, nothing wrong with that but now that it seems many teams used this bug perhaps some amnesty would be benefical fo the scene and its people in general. That said, any new offenders should be punished now that the bug is common knowledge. I don't know, either way the scene has taken a good hit in how many possible sponsors/investors feels about throwing in new money in this shit show.
2020-09-11 13:20
#175
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Nepal sasukeee
LMAO, cheater Mf
2020-09-11 13:22
HAHAHAHA
2020-09-11 13:23
#182
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Australia eClipz_AU
No one was going to dig through demos backdated to 2017. If this was the only time he used it (highly doubtful) then why even admit it.
2020-09-11 13:31
#186
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Finland 7ones
He is honest and feels bad about those other coaches when the fact is that everybody used it.
2020-09-11 13:34
#229
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Australia eClipz_AU
I disagree, I think many of these coaches used the bug more than once but have come clean saying they used it only “one time” so that demos featuring them are overlooked. Why look through demos involving teams that have confessed? It’s just simply too unlikely and unrealistic to believe that any coach who did use this bug only used it once.
2020-09-11 14:13
And you think it works like that because.....?
2020-09-11 14:19
#188
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Estonia qoznyyy
yes they were, they even made a script for it so they wont have to go manually through thousands and thousands of demos
2020-09-11 13:36
They will go thru demos up to 2016. Not sure what tiers are included, but process is probably automated now when knowing what to look for.
2020-09-11 22:20
hahahhha
2020-09-11 13:41
just dont admit, lol, especially if its so far back chances are they will not find it and even if they do they will take so long the whole thing may just blow over
2020-09-11 13:44
or they fix it :)
2020-09-11 13:45
#202
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Denmark Jonasnhj
The train keeps going
2020-09-11 13:47
Valve you're crap for letting this thing live so long.
2020-09-11 13:50
#254
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Finland Miroyev
The developers can't be aware of all the glitches or they would be fixed of course. I've heard that the glitch has remained even after some patches. People abusing the glitch knowingly cheated and that's not valve's fault in my opinion
2020-09-11 14:44
AFAIK they have been aware of this like forever, they have allowed this to continue for too long.. read their own statement regarding it, they basically apologize for not fixing it earlier.
2020-09-11 16:23
#311
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Finland Miroyev
Could be the case I guess since I haven't read all the information about this but I think I remember reading that they did try to patch it already before but it didn't work or something. I just don't see why they wouldn't have patched it if they were aware and there was an easy fix to it
2020-09-11 16:46
sad
2020-09-11 13:50
Speechless, who's the csgo manager and general manager for ENCE?
2020-09-11 13:51
I think you're too young to know the details of that natu incident, that was a gather in 2003 or 2004. How old were you back then?
2020-09-11 13:57
#218
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Finland JooonsMO
who here in hltv cares about details?
2020-09-11 14:00
You both didn't understand the irony in my comment. Here's an element to understand more: jamppi...
2020-09-11 17:48
sk-gaming.com/content/10952-natu-removed.. Ok, it was january 2005, BEFORE eurocup.
2020-09-11 14:00
#215
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Poland Pechowy
Thats why they were in major final. I hope they will find something for ex Immortals and ex Gambit, cause I dont believe they played that good out of knowwhere. And also for ex Avangar actual Virtus Fluke. Because they used this bug in Berlin for sure.
2020-09-11 14:03
I don't recall iGame being in any major finals in 2017
2020-09-11 15:32
#343
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Poland Pechowy
You really think he used it only once?
2020-09-11 17:51
I don't know, but tell me how someone could use that bug when they're standing behind the players watching their screens
2020-09-11 17:55
they already checked matches from 2018-20 and there was nothing from that timeline twista did.
2020-09-11 19:20
#294
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Russia ToughGuy
Lan Coach bug Pick one
2020-09-11 15:50
So the bug has been there for years? is the same bug of recent events?
2020-09-11 14:00
ENCE HYPERLUL
2020-09-11 14:04
I think the coach bug has been a so called public secret among coaches. Now we need to weed out those who -willingly used it for more than one round -willingly used it in more than one game -willingly continued the habit even after changing teams/organizations
2020-09-11 14:05
next week is gonna be intense
2020-09-11 14:06
wasnt even on ence back then lul
2020-09-11 14:07
True my fella +1
2020-09-11 14:16
This is so stupid. Fucking 3 years ago with another team. Maybe some punishment is needed, but the current trend is just gonna kill the CS scene. Punish in a way, not by killing the already dead scene.
2020-09-11 14:10
#240
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Brazil hugoooo
Even if all coaches were banned it wouldn't influence the scene too much... it's all about the players, and some teams don't even have a coach btw.
2020-09-11 14:23
#228
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Finland KieZuZ
Is there someone to oversee their voip or gaming rooms to make sure twista is not coaching them?? In this online time this suspension mean absolutely nothing.
2020-09-11 14:12
If he was coaching it would not matter anyway because he is not banned from it and it was ences decision to not let him coach. Are you fearing that OG will lose to ence lul?
2020-09-11 14:18
#241
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Finland Miroyev
OG no chance either way lul
2020-09-11 14:25
#362
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Finland KieZuZ
I mean this does not necessarily mean anything because how can anyone oversee this thing? I really like ence too. I dont know why it has to be one or the other.
2020-09-11 20:57
Yeah I like both teams too.
2020-09-11 21:03
Kinda silly that abusing a glitch gets you fucked over but using nvidia control panel to see better through smokes goes unpunished
2020-09-11 14:14
You could win a major doing this, it's ok!
2020-09-11 14:52
Valve should code their garbage game better
2020-09-11 15:37
lol
2020-09-11 14:20
#238
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Israel ALEXKEEM
Just ban these finnish cheaters from everything.
2020-09-11 14:20
#239
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World Notb8ing
The real question is who did not use this bug at some point at least :D:D:D
2020-09-11 14:21
#246
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Brazil YUB8
EZ 4 Ence
2020-09-11 14:31
#248
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Finland Lareee
Vac4Ence
2020-09-11 14:37
Suspension isn't deserved in my opinion since he used the bug with another team
2020-09-11 15:01
As if Hes only used it one time back in 2017 What about 18-19-20 loll only idiots brazilians and people who believe in god Thinks this is real... One time lul my ass
2020-09-11 15:20
Well, ESIC launched an investigation so we'll find out in 2-3 weeks
2020-09-11 15:34
#288
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Brunei cyLoL
Natu jamppi now this .... ence it’s making themself look worsed now
2020-09-11 15:41
Doesn't look serious
2020-09-11 15:41
lmao cheater + bug coach XD worst team ever
2020-09-11 15:47
Are you dumb or just can´t read? Neither of these has nothing to do with ENCE. I´m sure you´re a fan of s1mple who´s a cheater too.
2020-09-11 15:51
More likely Godsent and Havu are going to get punishment, if some teams will even get it from this case.
2020-09-11 16:01
Remember playing vs that dude in an IEM qualifier or something back in 1.6 days. LUL
2020-09-11 15:55
#298
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Poland SebL
And here is another one. Honestly I think this bug will cause a lot more bans than anyone thinks.
2020-09-11 16:01
Let´s see if Zonic or Zews have used that. It would be disaster cause of the done events.
2020-09-11 16:02
#301
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Finland Faust_fSt
Really wouldn't matter that much, since their achievements are on LAN. Actually you could say that practically all their official games in 2018 and 2019 were LAN.
2020-09-11 16:08
Most of the trophies are from LAN event but there is still many online events: hltv.org/stats/teams/events/6665/Astrali..
2020-09-11 16:12
#303
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Finland Faust_fSt
Fair enough, sure there are some, but it would still not be as big a deal as is the case with these tier 3-4 teams, who have fought their way into big money events through online competition exclusively.
2020-09-11 16:12
Yeah, and for Astralis, they shown their dominance on LANs too. But teams who have got one top three placement and then fallen back to lower tier cs, that can also be big problem. For example those smaller cups which has under 50k prize poll, maybe not that much money to bigger tourneys, but still it is free money if you abuse bug which gives you an huge advantage. Shortly, you got the point.
2020-09-11 16:16
#313
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Poland SebL
This thing already is a disaster. It can get worse.
2020-09-11 16:48
No words ENCE. Really disappointed. Here is some fact list about players & organisation members: natu : CLANBASE Ban allu: CLANBASE Ban Jamppi: VAC BAN sUNNy: CLANBASE 4on4 rank1 game WALLHACK (no busted) AERIAL : ? XYSMA CHEATING ? SERGEJ: JIMPPHAT (YOUNGER BROTHER VAC BANNED, JERE FIXED CHEATS FOR HIM) Omg.... this team....... full of cheaters!
2020-09-11 16:35
imagine caring about clanbase
2020-09-11 16:46
2020-08-22 :DDD :DDD :DDD :DDD what you know about clanbase NewSchool
2020-09-11 16:49
i can guarantee i know more than you about it
2020-09-11 16:53
Lmao sup kid
2020-09-12 00:12
? explain
2020-09-12 03:10
Imagine caring about faceit lul right
2020-09-12 08:59
what makes you think i care about faceit? i don't even play cs anymore
2020-09-12 14:21
>born in '97 >Clanbase knowledge PICK ONE BOI =D
2020-09-11 17:02
and you are? Im clanbase master, i had +200 cb clans so i know little bit about what im talking about
2020-09-11 17:32
Yes, i believe you boi =D
2020-09-11 17:52
:) ty
2020-09-11 19:28
literally just throwing random accusations lmao
2020-09-11 17:15
btw you should know that allu's cb ban came because he played with cb banned player. not for cheating. how i know this? i played with allu a long time
2020-09-12 03:12
#308
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Finland CleanMac
Happened 3 years ago in tier 5 matches. Who cars??? Now let's see who's the next one to come clean.
2020-09-11 16:37
Happened at the PGL major minor qualifier. In the match, iGame stole the spot from Tricked by making a comeback and winning on OT. Twista is fucked: streamable.com/lifh04 liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Minor_Champ.. hltv.org/matches/2310949/tricked-vs-igam..
2020-09-11 17:06
#327
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Finland viikeri
huh, volvo probably not gonna like this one
2020-09-11 17:15
Yeah, but beyond that, this is a scummy move. Literally stole their rightful spot at the minor.
2020-09-11 17:26
Hunden on the other team AHAHAHAHAH
2020-09-12 03:15
poetic
2020-09-12 04:48
Yeah, and Rejin was their coach :D
2020-09-12 09:33
why would u come clean? for what exactly? want to get punished? :D
2020-09-11 16:46
he wants a vacation, that could really be the reason :)
2020-09-11 19:06
WTF!
2020-09-11 17:04
malding cheater
2020-09-11 17:13
Bann team
2020-09-11 17:16
What a surprise, yet another g2 or should I say g0 fan crying :D
2020-09-11 17:27
NOT SO EZ4ENCE
2020-09-11 17:25
lmao ENCE AXXAXAAXXAXAXXAXAXAAAXAXAXAXA
2020-09-11 17:25
even bigger meme team now axxaxaxaaxxaaxax
2020-09-11 17:25
disappointed
2020-09-11 17:31
these bans are stupid. Meaningless. Some PC culture to ban all for some minor exploit. Valve themselves should be banned for not fixing something like this. :D
2020-09-11 17:31
streamable.com/lifh04 this is minor? its the game in question by twista pov, comeback from 3-12 to OT win with him seeing a lot of the enemy side map, especially useful on nuke. The game decided who qualified for a minor. so they literally cheated their way into a minor, knocking out another team (ironically hunden was playing). if u srsly look at that clip and think that is minor (its the same as wh as far as im concerned) then u need to get ur brain checked. then he types "gg" at the end lmao
2020-09-13 12:20
I hope these bans wont deter tournaments from banning coaches from their tournaments with the same consequences as the first coaches who were banned. I can already see orgs taking actions like problem is solved and putting them back in their position in 3 - 4 months when the dust has settled.
2020-09-11 17:50
well fuck unlucky
2020-09-11 17:55
F
2020-09-11 18:16
LOL at leats he was honest about it
2020-09-11 18:20
yeah, stupid af
2020-09-11 19:18
whoever designed that ence website should also get suspended
2020-09-11 19:39
+1
2020-09-11 22:09
Lol it's optimized for mobile and looks pretty good on it. Just looks weird on bigger screens. : D
2020-09-12 15:46
#366
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United Kingdom _xC4ctus
f
2020-09-11 21:41
kick jamppi he cheater
2020-09-11 21:55
Seems like every coach used it in 2017, but oddly seems that none of these coaches used it recently, which I doubt.
2020-09-11 21:58
Watch the demo in post #321. It is very unlikely that the players weren't aware.... Info on yard for 47 rounds ? How can you not make it obvious at one point ? We're talking about relevant players here, like xseven and 2 guys from havu...
2020-09-11 22:11
#373
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Faroe Islands TheLeaNy
slavik net(((
2020-09-11 23:22
2017 KEKW, just admit that ALL of the coaches used the bug
2020-09-11 23:35
coaches that didn't use it might have not used it for two reasons. one is integrity & dignity. second is they knew it can be seen on the demo. in the case of organizations like astralis if they encounter such a bug i'd wager they're just gonna study it thoroughly before they're gonna use it.
2020-09-12 05:58
probably use it in pracs to study enemy tactics
2020-09-13 12:14
People have lost a lot of money cuz of these bustards. Now who is gonna pay all the billls? Valve? I don't think so
2020-09-11 23:50
Vittu mitä helvetin perkelettä on tämä jumalauta vittu ei saatana?
2020-09-12 00:10
Now we know why Gambit lost a lot of matches online. Bugmen ruined CIS champions.
2020-09-12 04:58
#389
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Denmark Menterx
2017,wtf!
2020-09-12 08:56
They suspend Twista, but keep jamppi. Hypocrisy at its best
2020-09-12 11:34
#403
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Sweden Svahn
Another one bites the dust
2020-09-12 12:47
#405
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Lithuania Cidos
EZ4ENCE anyways
2020-09-12 13:21
k
2020-09-13 14:50
EZ4ENCE
2020-09-13 18:27
#423
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Finland JooonsMO
WTF!!?==? I just checked iGame.com every hltv demo from 2017 and their coach used the bug 0 times.... I used this faceitanalyser.com/coachbug
2020-09-13 19:33
#424
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Finland JooonsMO
well that analyzer doesnt work for old demos..... that was great waste of 40min
2020-09-13 20:09
äksdee
2020-09-16 15:37
streamable.com/lifh04 used it for at least 47 rounds, dead got 6 months for 1 round so big oof incoming
2020-09-17 20:01
#429
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Finland JooonsMO
Ty for video!!!!! Twista said that he used it only once so there shouldnt be more rounds. I dont think that lengths of the bans are based on how many rounds was the bug used. I think its more like how many maps it was used in. Also he used it back in 2017 and he confessed so I think those are lowering the ban. Probably getting something close to what dead got.
2020-09-17 20:14
2017 omegalul
2020-09-13 22:29
omg. 2017
2020-09-17 19:27
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