First set of findings from coaching bug investigation to be presented on Monday

Esports Integrity Commission (ESIC) is expecting to issue the first findings from its investigation into the exploitation of the coaching bug on Monday at 10:00 .

The ESIC report on Monday is expected to announce the first set of punishments since late August, when the commission handed out three bans for abuse of the coaching bug ranging from 24 to six months based on the offense, to Aleksandr "⁠zoneR⁠" Bogatiryev, Nicolai "⁠HUNDEN⁠" Petersen, and Ricardo "⁠dead⁠" Sinigaglia.

It will be the first monthly report from the mass investigation of the historical use of the infamous bug, dating at least as far back as to late 2015, which ESIC launched at the beginning of September after Michal Slowinski and Steven Dudenhoeffer uncovered the first cases of the bug's abuse in 2020.

At the time, ESIC opened a confession period to give potential offenders a chance to come forward and admit their use of the exploit. The period was closed on September 13, and it is expected that Monday's announcement will reveal the list of coaches who confessed behind closed doors in that time.

Other coaches have made their admissions publicly, including high-profile figures such as Allan "⁠Rejin⁠" Petersen, Faruk "⁠pita⁠" Pita, and Slaava "⁠Twista⁠" Räsänen, and several more have already been found to have used the bug. You can find the list of people who have been implicated as well as everything else we know so far about the use of the bug in a regularly updated article called Updates on 'The Purge': How the coaching bug has rocked the CS:GO world.

Bosnia and Herzegovina Faruk 'pita' Pita
Faruk 'pita' Pita
Age:
29
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.90
Maps played:
173
KPR:
0.63
DPR:
0.73
APR:
0.15
Denmark Nicolai 'HUNDEN' Petersen
Nicolai 'HUNDEN' Petersen
Age:
29
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.81
Maps played:
1578
KPR:
0.55
DPR:
0.70
APR:
0.14
Finland Slaava 'Twista' Räsänen
Slaava 'Twista' Räsänen
Age:
33
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.85
Maps played:
380
KPR:
0.59
DPR:
0.70
APR:
0.16
Brazil Ricardo 'dead' Sinigaglia
Ricardo 'dead' Sinigaglia
Age:
34
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
6
KPR:
0.59
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.08
Denmark Allan 'Rejin' Petersen
Allan 'Rejin' Petersen
Age:
32
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.80
Maps played:
39
KPR:
0.59
DPR:
0.78
APR:
0.14
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Russia Aleksandr 'zoneR' Bogatiryev
Aleksandr 'zoneR' Bogatiryev
Age:
33
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.86
Maps played:
102
KPR:
0.61
DPR:
0.73
APR:
0.16
#1
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Peru SportMode
I wonder who will be found guilty...
2020-09-24 13:41
Can you stop already?
2020-09-24 13:41
wtf
2020-09-24 13:42
#40
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Germany Bier
Hype
2020-09-24 13:54
#102
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Finland AleksiBOT
Let's go, will be so much fun
2020-09-24 14:37
#FREEDEAD
2020-09-24 18:40
#DEADORALIVE
2020-09-25 10:30
Most likely dead, mibr, fallen, that's why they disbanded already before the reveal
2020-09-24 16:58
#209
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Sweden quacke
dead already has a ban. I suppose the only thing that will happen is that dead gets an extended ban.
2020-09-24 17:12
No bro, other people will get punishments now not them
2020-09-24 17:13
#217
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Sweden quacke
dead's ban was based off the fact that he was only found to have used it in a single round back then. Now it's been found he used it in several other matches. I expect his ban to be extended to 1 year or potentially 2 years even. And yes, I also expect that other people will be punished as well.
2020-09-24 17:34
Several other matches? Present evidende or please just don't make stuff up. As far as i know there where two matches where he used the bug in one round each in two different tournaments
2020-09-24 18:40
#227
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Sweden quacke
Yeah, two. The original ban was only issued because of one. I don't think the remaining games have been EXPLICITLY presented, but I recall michau/someone else talking about them in either HLTV Confirmed or Twitter. I could be wrong though.
2020-09-24 18:48
Not Milutin Obradović
2020-09-24 18:41
What about the spin defuse bug that was exploited by mad lions, and then got fixed by valve later on? Isn't that cheating as well?
2020-09-24 13:45
That was not a bug... And it has been used by countless players....
2020-09-24 13:47
So do you think it's realistic to spin like that while defusing a bomb? Valve fixed it soon after that match, so it was a bug. One that was used by many players, just like the coach bug was used by many coaches, so what?
2020-09-24 13:57
you act like csgo is realistic game...
2020-09-24 13:58
yeah right let me get 3 ak bullets on my chest and still be able to walk and shot perfectly >csgo >real
2020-09-24 14:02
#200
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Spain N0Love
Or defuse a bomb inside of a smoke
2020-09-24 16:46
It's a game. It can't be perfectly realistic. But it's inclined to appear so. It's not like valorant where you have all sorts of powers and spells.
2020-09-24 14:03
#62
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Poland Hanse
His point ia that CSGO is not meant to be realistic
2020-09-24 14:04
I know. And that's wrong. CS GO is supposed to look realistic.
2020-09-24 14:11
#112
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Russia Drapery
No, it's not lol
2020-09-24 14:48
I mean I’d say it’s the ‘purest’ FPS with a pro scene but it’s not meant to look super realistic mens
2020-09-24 15:22
Goddamn is br full of donkeys like you bro? asking seriously
2020-09-24 15:32
supposed to look realistic aye in a game where you can have a SEAL guy with an anime AUG kek
2020-09-24 15:35
#153
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Poland Hanse
No, realistic setting and being realistic are two completely different things you seem not to separate
2020-09-24 15:44
#154
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Russia M1shV4T
>98 in 4 hits >supposed to be realistic ok mate
2020-09-24 15:44
#207
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Europe Nuskel
I know right, yesterday I tried run boosting on top of my cousin's head and I actually landed on his neighbor's roof. You should try that sometime.
2020-09-24 17:03
i surely agree but it still isnt an argument for spinning defuse being a bug and comparsion with spectator bug that coaches used. it was game mechanic which was changed
2020-09-24 14:05
As a comparison, many hackers do the same but while walking through the map.. they spin so fast it's almost impossible to kill them.
2020-09-24 14:16
but it was still game mechanic that was changed. bug is completely different thing
2020-09-24 14:21
Are you really hoping to convince someone this stubborn ? Good luck mate
2020-09-24 14:32
yea waste of time i guess:DD
2020-09-24 14:32
#116
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Russia _VaLT_
+1
2020-09-24 14:52
Wtf csgo is an arcade game you fool Play squad, hell let loose, Rising storm, or idk, barely any fps is more realistic
2020-09-24 14:10
There are realism levels. Even those games have will have some sort of unrealistic behavior. A game will never be realistic as real life.
2020-09-24 14:19
CSGO is everything but realistic cmon
2020-09-24 14:24
Spinning defuse was not a bug, lol. Players set their second dpi super high so they can spin like mad while defusing. aslo #57 go play cs vr if you want realistic gameplay
2020-09-24 14:17
So why valve fixed it?
2020-09-24 14:23
#98
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Albania HLTV_God
It's was to op? Just like they fix guns every now and then
2020-09-24 14:34
Because certain fanbase made so much noise that they team lost a round because of it, so they were like "oh i guess we'll fix it".
2020-09-24 14:35
#118
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Brazil Catatauu
So you think spin defuse like a bayblade is nice?
2020-09-24 14:54
Yes, but only to mibr. 😊😊😊😊
2020-09-24 14:58
it's not like you couldn't kill them, it also didn't give anyone wallhacks
2020-09-24 15:09
No, it's not realistic, but it's a game feature until proven otherwise. How long have you been following the scene? I asked because the spinning defuse is something that has been known for years, yet you say that "valve fixed this only after mad lions used it". Many players used it before and valve didn't fix it back then.
2020-09-24 14:01
Many coaches used the camera bug for years. Some say it goes as far as 2016. One of them (I don't remember who it was) even reported it to Valve, so they knew it. And mad lions used it in a grand final, where they got the unfair advantage and won the match. Valve only gives attention when people talk about it, just like the coaching bug.
2020-09-24 14:08
why do you bring up a camera bug all of a sudden? in this case it's clear it's a bug. i'm talking about the defuse "bug" - in this case it was a feature, not a bug
2020-09-24 14:11
Maybe because the article is about the camera bug? And by comparing the spin defuse bug with the camera bug (or any other bug) is easier to counter argument.
2020-09-24 14:27
look i know ur salty that mibr is dead and dead is banned but ill still waste my time to destroy ur terrible argument. spin defuse was known publicly and players couldn't hide it when they did it. its on the scale of the jump bug or using the op jumping accuracy r8. camera bug however was kept a secret among coaches and pretty much acted as a wallhack. also the spinning defuse had counterplay where u still have a good chance to shoot and kill the enemy while camera bug u have no idea that its even happening. see the difference now? stop crying
2020-09-24 23:31
I think you have a valid argument there, excluding all the other shit you said about me being salty.
2020-09-25 02:02
#66
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Sweden ppnomula
It's not a bug, not an exploit. It's simply an annoying thing that people can do. It's just a silly game mechanic that was removed
2020-09-24 14:09
#117
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Brazil Catatauu
True
2020-09-24 14:52
half the CS scene should be banned then cuz im SURE that almost everyone did that at least once
2020-09-24 15:06
stop crying lol
2020-09-24 15:38
do you think it's realistic to jump and then change directions mid air? do you think it's realistic to change weapons almost instantly? do you think it's realistic to receive a point blank shot to the head with a rifle and survive and walk normally?
2020-09-24 16:55
you're missing the point. the question is not how realistic the game is, but how realistic a spin defuse is in the game. it got fixed, so it answers a lot.
2020-09-25 02:05
I agree that the spin defuse had no place in the game, but your claim about Mad Lions deserving a penalty is ridiculous
2020-09-25 03:55
The small difference is that you can see they are abusing the bug. Here they tried to be silent, so the other team have no clue that they have the information, plus the information was huge for many rounds, you can't compare.
2020-09-24 17:08
I can accept this argument, it makes sense.
2020-09-25 02:09
Yeah totally, a crazy exploit that allows you to... wait for it... move your hear quickly so that the enemy has a hard time hitting you....... People have been "exploiting" this "bug" for ages with a normal sense and a normal mouse without any binds... Should jigglepeaking and strafe jumping be "fixed" too?
2020-09-24 17:14
mad lions had bind for sens 100 it was pretty cheat
2020-09-24 16:06
you do know that binds work with in-game commands, right? That'd be like saying changing crosshair and viewmodel mid game (which pros do) is cheating as well...
2020-09-25 03:57
a bug is an unintentional error allowing illegal behaviour coaches weren't meant to see the other teams players were allowed to rotate whilst defusing - valve just decided to change that
2020-09-24 13:48
what about 2017 big with the jumps
2020-09-24 13:52
PGL states that is is ok to use the jumping bug
2020-09-24 14:00
Valve knew the bug at least 6 months before and it was used before the major by many teams. You can't avoid the bug when you do this jump. But the jump itself was always a tactical move and part of any game strategy. So PGL asked valve how they should deal with it and Valve said it is okay to use it. Unlike a olofboost or Coach bug it would happened several times even if you try to avoid it. The difference was BIG used the BUG as a part of the game. They brought it up to another level but all teams used it from time to time. Also on the major. So if you ban BIG u had to ban all teams. The cry from other teams was really drama shit queen. I still think it was funny to see how GobB rekted them all :D and got in the end the permission to use it by Valve.
2020-09-24 15:44
so olofboost is a tatical move to
2020-09-24 15:53
But you do it by pure intention (so without an accident) and you can't do it everywhere on the map at any time.
2020-09-24 15:54
Here the reason: Firstly, Kolomiets stated that the mechanic is "a part of the game, and has been used for over half a year", and that fact "makes it similar to one-way smokes and silent jumps". Kolomiets then added that there is no rule that would disallow using the "crouch bug", and that "teams made inquiries about the ruling, but none of them officially complained about the crouch bug being allowed". hltv.org/news/21053/crouch-jump-bug-offi..
2020-09-24 16:01
but its unfair. and why explaining so much? you're on hltv forum
2020-09-24 16:03
Explain so much cuz people still don't understand it even if you explain it 300 times.
2020-09-24 16:05
they used unfair things
2020-09-24 16:09
Spinning like that while defusing is totally illegal behavior. It's extremely unrealistic and it gave unfair advantage to the defuser.
2020-09-24 13:59
shut up mibr
2020-09-24 14:12
+1
2020-09-24 14:20
It has nothing to do with mibr. In fact I'm happy the disbanded.
2020-09-24 14:30
me too
2020-09-24 14:32
a brazilian accusing others of cheating.... hmmmm where have I seen this before???? Accusing others of cheating meanwhile mibr was the team who was accused of having their coach abusing the coach bug KEKW KEKW
2020-09-24 14:37
#129
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Asia loveall
Games aren't meant to be realistic, you want to talk realistic, what about taking 4-5 bullets and still walking, flicking a sniper like that, also walking with sniper or ever seen a soldier getting resurrected after 2 mins?
2020-09-24 15:02
talking about realism in a game where you can strafe and bhop is quite... unrealistic
2020-09-24 15:06
game mechanic and bug are 2 different things
2020-09-24 13:49
what about changing nvidia settings to see a enemy before smoke s disappear?
2020-09-24 13:52
i didnt say single thing about that one but spining while defusing was game mechanic that was changed. not bug that was fixed
2020-09-24 13:57
and who did that? dont say astralis, because theres no single proof of them using it. all they did was use the smoke/radar bug where you could see the red dot appear on the radar shortly before the smoke faded. every pro used this bug, they just perfected it. nothing wrong with that.
2020-09-24 14:08
So, if every coach uses it with perfection its ok?
2020-09-24 14:35
the problem is that every single player could use this smoke/radar bug and wasn't as big of an advantage as the coach spectate bug, it essentially boils down to whoever can react faster and aim better(essentially just a 1v1 duel)
2020-09-24 14:56
no, its not... how can u not see the difference between these to things?
2020-09-24 15:14
I see the difference, I just don't understand how in your mind saying that everyone used it make it less of a bug. Radar smoke bug gave a clear advantage for players using it. It's clear that the Coach gives advantage in whole new level, but a bug is a bug, tournament rule books don't make distiction on the "level" of advantage they give.
2020-09-24 16:00
i get what u say... but the smoke bug is entirely valves fault... once u know a red dot will appear before the smoke fades how can u prevent anyone from using it? all it takes is to look to the top left corner of your screen. this will happen automatically once u know about it. the coach bug on the other hand was used delibaretly eventhough they knew it was wrong and forbidden. using the smoke bug was never forbidden. everyone knew it was there and everyone could use it... it was just poor design by valve
2020-09-24 16:28
#80
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Finland Jodecast
Oh more excuses why mibr was dogshit
2020-09-24 14:17
do you also do runboosts with your friends in real life????????????
2020-09-24 14:34
#131
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Asia loveall
After taking a bullet in my head I resurrect after 2 mins and buy guns and go again like real life.
2020-09-24 15:04
I also stand still and randomly get an AK-47 in my hands out of nowhere. And sometimes I also decide to get 4 friends and try to blow up a bomb on top of a building just for fun. You should try it one day :) Or just go to Morocco and plant a bomb in the middle of a little village or whatever
2020-09-24 19:01
#234
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Asia loveall
That is nothing. I can climb ladders with guns in both of my hands in 1 second and I have trained chickens to block the doors. Also I can kill the indisciplined chicken wothout leaving any evidence.
2020-09-24 19:14
it was also used by TACO in the same tournament
2020-09-24 15:00
Made in bathroom used it as well men
2020-09-24 15:14
#177
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New Zealand rOtten_97
Mad lions destroyed furia in the final. Cry is free
2020-09-24 16:05
#185
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Nepal Aguminok
cry cuz mad lions rekt mibr? xaxaaxxaxaa
2020-09-24 16:11
#193
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Portugal antCB
"spin defuse bug that was exploited by mad lions" you are actually comparing that bug to the coaching bug? have you thought with your peanut brain which is more broken and gives more advantage? typical br brain.
2020-09-24 16:32
kkkkkkkkkk brazilian hypocrisy at it's finest, comparing wallhack to spindefuse (which was used by botaco) CRY IS FREE
2020-09-24 16:39
That was a part of game not a bug that not everybody knows and everybody had access over it and it doesn't give you an unfair advantage as Ts could also plant (on eco round for money) by using this trick
2020-09-24 17:47
lol cute
2020-09-25 09:55
Samuelsson did nothing wrong mens))
2020-09-24 15:20
Forsaken
2020-09-25 12:31
intense
2020-09-24 13:40
ESIC meeting with coaches was “intense” and“ at one point Michal Slowinski was crying” but everyone grew closer and a big lesson was learned
2020-09-24 14:03
Lol. Nice lesson. Dont cheat.
2020-09-24 15:15
Why would he cry? Cry of Happiness that his investigation makes it possible to rekt them?? :D
2020-09-24 15:53
Guilty ppl probably will try to make those who found them guilty sorry for exposing them. Various different methods, but psychological pressure is highly likely as it seems hardest to prove. Then fans who are in denial would absolutely be assholes to him too. Remember the death threats? The coaches might try to guilt trip them too like "you made me lose my job now how am i gonna feed my kid" which is their own fault but it can make Michal or Steven feel conflicted too, it's shit.
2020-09-25 04:07
I personally would give a f. If they can't feed their kids they should find another job. It is a privilege to earn money in esports. And all they asked for is to play fair.
2020-09-25 14:17
#3
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United Kingdom alcazar4
nice
2020-09-24 13:40
#4
NAF | 
France Kurin
nice
2020-09-24 13:41
Sweet
2020-09-24 13:41
Who cares
2020-09-24 13:41
#8
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Portugal eilzinho
Let's gooooooooooooo
2020-09-24 13:41
Nice
2020-09-24 13:41
Get ready for the job openings boys
2020-09-24 13:41
#72
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Singapore Jaredlkj
HAHAHAHA
2020-09-24 14:11
what about throwing?
2020-09-24 13:41
#76
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Finland Khroni
Match fixing was an independent investigation Nothing has been said of it since so who knows
2020-09-24 14:13
Popular Names incoming!!!
2020-09-24 13:42
#13
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Norway stekt_laks
oh shit here we go
2020-09-24 13:42
Bye THREAT
2020-09-24 13:43
#17
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Japan Inlivino
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
2020-09-24 13:44
XAXAXAXAXAX
2020-09-24 13:45
#19
BobZ | 
India Ez4ez
Get your popcorns ready
2020-09-24 13:45
rip ImAPet, he wants to run to VALORANT already
2020-09-24 13:46
#44
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Pakistan LoOuU2
yea i read his Valorant rumor and thought , what a bitch. Then i remembered that he might be getting ban pretty soon because of this so needs to get out asap
2020-09-24 13:56
Damn, not expected from him tbh
2020-09-24 18:55
i cant wait until monday lol
2020-09-24 13:47
damn I cant wait :D
2020-09-24 13:50
#32
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Denmark zT_Pure
Who cars? I do, thenks mens
2020-09-24 13:52
bye bye all of brazil coaches
2020-09-24 13:53
esic y’all fucking slow af
2020-09-24 13:53
Witch hunting vs useless coach, but not investigation against hacking professionals?! good job.
2020-09-24 13:53
Funny how botality wouldn't be even top10 without their "useless" coach
2020-09-24 14:15
Sorry what has this team to do with my point. stop changing the topic
2020-09-24 14:54
#130
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France Insidium
You're saying coaches are useless retard
2020-09-24 15:03
it's usage of a rhetorical stylistic device known as exaggeration... This won't do it...
2020-09-24 15:47
ded game
2020-09-24 13:53
#39
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Finland KassaK
There will be so few coaches left that I can start coaching
2020-09-24 13:53
#41
RpK | 
France pol44r
blood will be spilled
2020-09-24 13:54
And white flags will be raised
2020-09-24 16:40
kekw
2020-09-25 04:08
#45
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Denmark Randomij
Any wages yet?
2020-09-24 13:56
#46
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Pakistan LoOuU2
This is about to get interesting . How many Top 30 teams do you reckon are gonna be left with a coach ?
2020-09-24 13:57
#104
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Albania HLTV_God
Who ever is left needs huge cred. This must have been known to them, and they must have known when they played vs a abuser... I'm just mad we won't see "lucky" eco stacks as often..
2020-09-24 14:39
#147
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Pakistan LoOuU2
True, their sportsmanship needs to be applaud. But let's see if there reallly are any left after this
2020-09-24 15:30
#49
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Brunei cyLoL
I wish they tell us now I not want to wait 😢
2020-09-24 13:57
#51
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Europe H1P_STER
Tier 1 teams and fans malding
2020-09-24 13:59
oh boi can't wait :D
2020-09-24 13:59
#54
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Panama Bill_Bait
astralis and fnatic are fine cant say the same for... BUG HAHAHAHA
2020-09-24 14:00
POGGERS FeelsHyperMan
2020-09-24 14:00
#58
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Estonia qoznyyy
show us matchfixing findings pls
2020-09-24 14:02
zonic maybe
2020-09-24 14:10
F for zonic
2020-09-24 14:10
Astralis is a team that probably played the least online matches from 2018, also they didn't need coach bug to win games. I'd be surprised to see zonic in the list
2020-09-24 14:21
yea, I´d be surprised too, but they had an unbelievable era
2020-09-24 14:39
This bug is only possible to use online not at Lan where Astralis dominated. But they actually did dominate online before Gla1ve went on sick leave.
2020-09-24 15:11
Lmao, if that happens Astralis didn't have an era
2020-09-24 18:56
HYPE
2020-09-24 14:10
valve should just remove coaches now
2020-09-24 14:11
Imagine zonic on the list ooooooooooooooooof But unlikely to happen imo Can't wait
2020-09-24 14:16
#82
ZywOo | 
India aR__
Finally. Been waiting for this since a long time.
2020-09-24 14:18
1 round punishment = 6 months (dead) 3 match punishment = 2 years (zoneR) ENTIRE tournament = move to valorant?? 4Head
2020-09-24 14:20
Three tournaments = move to PUBG mobile
2020-09-24 14:42
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA holy fuck. Dude you made my day thanks +1111 ( not kidding, I laughed like a madman )
2020-09-24 14:45
lmao welcome mens
2020-09-24 14:45
Very nice joke))
2020-09-24 16:30
ty, and thanks for reminding me to drink water
2020-09-24 16:30
OMG YOU ARE SO FUNNY WTF!!!!!! WHAT A NICE JOKE!!!!!!!
2020-09-24 16:43
no problem))
2020-09-24 17:18
N1
2020-09-25 19:09
RIP ZONIC RIP KUBEN
2020-09-24 14:24
I truly hope Zonic is not in this, otherwise, I will lose all my respect for Astralis.
2020-09-24 14:25
it could be interesting. they are such a big and "professional" organization that I feel like they would not risk such a stupid thing but they also exploited the smoke bug, so yeah. will be interesting.
2020-09-24 14:43
True indeed, but with greater risk, greater responsibility, would it be possible that it entailed greater desperation (?) possibly leading to him (zonic) using the bug? who knows. but I hope not.
2020-09-24 14:46
Even if they did you can always assume they pay a lot of money to get out of the list but the ting is. There are many community users that already start investigate for themselves. And that is the only reason why I believe they wouldn't even try to cover up any coach.
2020-09-24 15:49
You can't buy everything and this is not Russia where money makes everyone silent
2020-09-24 18:57
you don't believe what all got silenced by money also in the western world. Especially in the economy. Nestle as example buy a lot of patents but instead of using them, they keep them in their cellar. Pharma Industry does the same.
2020-09-24 19:16
Kuben? Vp was always total trash online XD. They were losing to t4 teams. Only strong side of VP was LAN.
2020-09-24 22:18
doesn't matter MIBR lossing too using that bug
2020-09-24 22:36
who ready to see some get fired eh :>
2020-09-24 14:33
Hype!
2020-09-24 14:48
hype
2020-09-24 14:48
They will ban 80% of known coaches, this drama is huge.
2020-09-24 14:49
if it goes down like that, valve has to disqualify the viability of coaches
2020-09-24 14:59
Honestly I think that in a big part it's a valve fault, how can they even make such a mistake and it can be available for so many years. For me ofc. this coaches have to be banned, for some time, but the role of coach and everything shouldn't be changed.
2020-09-24 15:23
Yeah man. This legit is on VALVE for acting so slow on it, and the removal of coaches in the team is just a band-aid or a forced solution. But the real root of the problem, is truly Valve ignoring the issue for years now.
2020-09-24 15:26
Coaches deserve some kind of punishment, but if someone used that for like 5 rounds then don't ban him.
2020-09-24 15:52
So if someone turns on wallhack for 5 rounds, that would be ok?
2020-09-24 19:11
No, it defienietly wouldn't, but don't compare wallhacking to a coaching bug that you most likely used because of contingency.
2020-09-24 19:13
There is no excuse to use the bug at all and there should be zero tolerance for anyone who used it to any capacity. If it was done purposefully or if a coach decides not to call an admin or reconnect, it is 100% comparable to wallhack.
2020-09-24 19:21
I wouldn't compare it to wallhack even with that.
2020-09-24 19:22
Why not?
2020-09-24 19:33
Because when you wallhack you download a program to beat your opponents and make it non-fair play. Coaching bug is something that you come in to the game and you see a bug and you use it for 5 rounds because you are like yes that's my chance to win it gives me advantage, and after 5 rounds you close it because you realized that you shouldn't do that, so I wouldn't compare that.
2020-09-24 19:35
Wallhack is external software that makes play unfair. Coach bug is a bug that makes play unfair. They both make play unfair. If you say a coach uses it in the heat of the moment, sure. But they should still get a hefty ban for abusing an advantage that they should not have had.
2020-09-24 19:47
Ofc. both make play unfair, but using coaching bug for 5 rounds compared to wallhacking it's not even a comparison. And 6months is enough, maybe one year, but not more.
2020-09-24 19:50
Dude, downloading wallhack to cheat on purpose and finding out a bug in game are the same things? Yes, they are both doin wrong and against the rules, but curiosity is something totally different then intention.
2020-09-24 22:23
To be confused at what happened and have it on for a round is understandable. To keep it on for several rounds comes off as purposeful to me.
2020-09-24 23:36
Valve don't corrupt people, they did it on their own. I don't blame Valve for this.
2020-09-24 15:47
I partly blame Valve for this, ofc. it's bad from coaches aswell.
2020-09-24 15:52
Hype
2020-09-24 14:51
lmao dude nice name xd
2020-09-24 14:57
#122
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Latvia ErleN_
antihype
2020-09-24 14:57
#124
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Brazil Catatauu
Hype
2020-09-24 14:59
very epic :()
2020-09-24 15:01
finally
2020-09-24 15:08
Dobra robota Michał!
2020-09-24 15:20
I dont expect more big names. people with reputation to lose confessed already because they want to come back some day or stay in the scene at least. there will be some T2 T3 T4 paycheck stealer guys revealed who think " I take the money until Im on the list and bye csgo"
2020-09-24 15:23
if this ends with valve forbidding coaching it'll be terrible.
2020-09-24 15:27
This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach. To see half the professional scene commit harakiri like this. Cheating, even in a way that is so easy to catch.. And now countless careers and brands are being dragged through the mud. :( This really is a terrible kick in the balls to professional CS. And a gift to Valorant.
2020-09-24 15:33
the cheaters can move to valorant. They already have all the trash of the csgo scene.
2020-09-24 15:46
Yeah, let Valorant have the cheaters. Problem is that orgs might leave the scene too, after having their brand smeared by this crap. The whole ecosystem suffers.
2020-09-24 16:09
Valorant is for EU scene irrelevant andvl csgo main market is EU. If NA SCENE leaves who cars. They are all tier 2/3
2020-09-24 16:57
monkaS
2020-09-24 15:44
zonic is probably the only innocent coach
2020-09-24 15:44
And hands down the best coach to ever touch this game
2020-09-24 15:45
Zeus doesn't start his coach career yet so what you talking about
2020-09-24 16:59
#162
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United States breasts
prob b1ad3 too with the way they play online
2020-09-24 15:49
LLOLOLOLOLOLO
2020-09-24 16:44
Nope big coach only innocent
2020-09-24 16:58
YNK is legit too. Impossible to perform that bad if they abused the bug.
2020-09-24 17:15
#238
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Venezuela Kremator
And also NaVi's coach (unless he exploited it recently in covid times) i recall reading that NaVi was palying their first online matches since 2018 or smth like that so very unlikely they exploited it
2020-09-24 19:24
If not corona pandemic this bug still not be fixed and nobody knows about it in public. Now when everybody playing online valve start looking much serious to that. Thats why valve never think about it before when all top teams playing all big tournaments on lan, and valve don't care about lower level tournaments and teams who play good online but get rekt when come to lan :D
2020-09-24 15:50
uncontrollable sweating on the side of BIG coach Tobias "TowB" Herberhold who for some reason is always first when joining a server.
2020-09-24 15:57
I don't think so. Tier 1 events was investigated first. So if he had used it at least the last 4 month he would have been banned with Hunden and co
2020-09-24 16:02
Are you fvck you? Einstein is American
2020-09-24 16:29
American is not a country. So where in NA and SA is Ulm???
2020-09-24 16:56
Someone's going to get fired
2020-09-24 16:01
If only Valve took some initiative in the scene that kickstarted them.
2020-09-24 16:02
I just hope zews and guerri are not involved i really respect them as a coach
2020-09-24 16:16
valve: aLRiGhT i'LL jUsT rEmOVE aLL cOacHEs
2020-09-24 16:28
Plz ynk we are counting on u
2020-09-24 16:42
Makes you wonder how a company like Valve can't fix a bug as serious as this in 5 years.
2020-09-24 16:46
bye zonic
2020-09-24 17:15
+1
2020-09-24 17:22
Tomara que peguem o Guerri da fúria
2020-09-24 17:22
#219
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Brazil Fauchard
leave dead alone he is the best coach of the world and mibr is numba one
2020-09-24 17:52
lmao stop hating on mibr coach he is already dead, like that's messed up to joke about him
2020-09-24 18:12
The show is on.
2020-09-24 18:14
#223
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Brazil Nimenz
Don't expect that much Valve used this time to hide the proofs the best they can...as they always do.
2020-09-24 18:24
#241
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Argentina WaSTe_D
Excuse me ignorence. What do you mean when you say they will hide the evidence, what makes you think that?
2020-09-24 19:39
I think he refers, that many people believe Valve had evidence of high profile pros cheating in the early days, but hid it, because it would have destroyed the scene while it was still in its infancy. talkesport.com/news/valve-knew-about-flu..
2020-09-27 23:35
#270
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Argentina WaSTe_D
thx
2020-09-27 23:39
I dont understand because if thats the case then why did they ban players like KQLY?
2020-09-28 05:42
Maybe it is like how the ICU never banned Lance Armstrong, despite having at least 4 possitive doping tests on him (that they have admitted to having), while at the same time handing out bans left and rights to other riders. Some stars just become to big to fail. KQLY was good. Byt Flusha was considered top 1 in the world, and multiple major winner. And if you banned Flusha for cheating on LAN, then you would have to disqualify Fnatic as major winners, and it would just be an inzane mess..
2020-09-28 10:36
damn I didnt know that ICU caught Lance Armstrong doping 4 times.... I thought they caught him once. Well, now that you have mentioned it, it seems possible that flusha could have actually cheated...
2020-09-28 11:30
#244
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African Union mikecool
The suspense is killing me
2020-09-24 20:48
grab your popcorn
2020-09-24 22:43
The bug happens since 2014 lmao I wonder why the bug that big clan used didn't banned them It's a game exploit that gives you advantage above other players
2020-09-24 23:29
Big clan is fucked
2020-09-25 11:18
It not a bug its a feature... Lol no. No definitely a bug. But volvo is on a very hard spot rn. Imagine ppl that betted on online matches and lost, how pissed off are they rn.
2020-09-25 16:14
#266
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Brazil inv1se
not only coaches but the players should be punished...think about it they knew they agreed they allowed...maybe im just ranting because no 128tick servers no source2 and the amount of hackers in any platform is insane
2020-09-25 16:24
brazilian scene sweating right now
2020-09-27 23:38
time has come
2020-09-28 08:54
#273
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Panama Bill_Bait
goodbye flukia ahah
2020-09-28 09:56
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