ESIC issues bans to 37 coaches for spectator bug use

28/9/2020 - 10:00

The esports watchdog association says that revealing these integrity breaches is necessary for the "long term best interests of the game and all of esports".

The Esports Integrity Commission (ESIC) announced on Monday that it has banned 37 coaches for periods ranging from 3.75 to 36 months as part of an investigation into the spectator bug abuse in the CS:GO scene. The esports watchdog is planning to release just one more report on the matter as it hopes to finish its probe by the end of October.

Some of the bans handed out on Monday involve coaches who had never been associated with the bug before. These include former NAVI coach Sergey "⁠starix⁠" Ischuk — who revealed on September 1 that he had known about the bug for "four years, like many other people" —, OG's Casper "⁠ruggah⁠" Due, BOOM's Alessandro "⁠Apoka⁠" Marcucci and ex-FaZe coach Robert "⁠RobbaN⁠" Dahlström.

The 15 coaches mentioned in our recap article about the spectator bug all appear on ESIC's preliminary list, including FURIA's Nicholas "⁠guerri⁠" Nogueira, who has been banned for four months for using the bug on two ECS Season 7 Week 2 maps against Luminosity and Complexity, and MOUZ' Allan "⁠Rejin⁠" Petersen, who has been suspended for nearly 20 months for seven cases of bug abuse during his time with Tricked.

"We understand that these revelations have been tough for many people within the CS:GO community, but we believe it is in the long term best interests of the game and all of esports for integrity breaches to be dealt with head-on," ESIC said.

"We know that most coaches, players, tournament organisers, publishers and developers, fans, sponsors and broadcasters want CS:GO and esports to be clean and a fair competition between players and teams doing their very best to win. We see our job as being to ensure that that happens and that corrupt and bad actors are rehabilitated or removed."

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The first coaches to be implicated in the spectator bug scandal, on August 31, Aleksandr "⁠zoneR⁠" Bogatiryev, Ricardo "⁠dead⁠" Sinigaglia and Nicolai "⁠HUNDEN⁠" Petersen, all had their initial bans amended after ESIC uncovered additional evidence during the probe and attributed concessions. The Brazilian's ban has been extended from 6 to 6.5 months, while the Dane's suspension has been reduced by four months to 8. In zoneR's case, the esports watchdog decided to increase the ban from 24 to 36 months, giving the Russian the maximum penalty after he was caught using the bug in 424 rounds across 16 maps.

ESIC says that it has already combed through 20% of the 99,650 demos that it has available for review, which were obtained by accessing the databases of both HLTV.org and ESEA. However, the association adds that the demos that it has already analysed "likely comprise the most substantial cases of abuse", and points out that, of the 99,650 demos, only 0.1% have so far been flagged for "a positive indication of spectator bug abuse".

In analysing the demo sample, ESIC was able identify trends in abuse of the spectator bug and created a matrix of sanctioning tiers based on the frequency (number of cases) and duration (number of rounds) of the offense. It established four tiers of sanctions, with bans ranging from 5 to 36 months. Meanwhile, it also created a concessions matrix to standardize the process that gave offending coaches the chance to have their suspensions reduced under certain circumstances, which included confessions and assistance in the investigation.

The concession allowances included:

Confession prior to the investigation announcement - 40% ban period reduction
Confession accepted in full - 25% ban period reduction
Confession accepted partially - 12.5% ban period reduction
Assistance in the investigation - 20% ban period reduction

Below you can find the list of the 37 coaches who have been suspended and their respective bans:

Slaava "⁠Twista⁠" Räsänen (2 cases) - 15.75 months (12.50% concessions)
Peter "⁠casle⁠" Ardenskjold (2) - 10 months (0%)
Rodrigo "⁠dinamo⁠" Haro (2) - 10 months (0%)
Arno "⁠ArnoZ1K4⁠" Junior (1) - 10 months (0%)
Allan "⁠Rejin⁠" Petersen (7) - 19.8 months (45%)
Eliomar "glou" Hernandez (2) - 10 months (0%)
Arthur "⁠prd⁠" Resende (5) - 10 months (0%)
Alexey "⁠NooK⁠" Kozlovskiy (1) - 7.5 months (25%)
Henrique "⁠rikz⁠" Waku (1) - 10 months (0%)
Alessandro "⁠Apoka⁠" Marcucci (6) - 5.4 months (85%)
Aleksandr "⁠zoneR⁠" Bogatiryev (16) - 36 months (0%)
Germán "hellpa" Morath (2) - 10 months (0%)
Egor "fuRy^" Morin (1) - 7.5 months (25%)
Aset "⁠Solaar⁠" Sembiyev (2) - 10 months (0%)
Nicolai "⁠HUNDEN⁠" Petersen (2) - 8 months (20%)
Ricardo "⁠dead⁠" Sinigaglia (5) - 6.5 months (35%)
Nicholas "⁠guerri⁠" Nogueira (2) - 4 months (60%)
Faruk "⁠pita⁠" Pita (2) - 10 months (0%)
Erik "⁠AKIMOV⁠" Akimov (1) - 7.5 months (25%)
Ivan "⁠F_1N⁠" Kochugov (6) - 8.75 months (12.50%)
Bruno "⁠ellllll⁠" Ono (3) - 10 months (0%)
Pedro "⁠peu⁠" Lopes (2) - 5 months (0%)
Robert "⁠RobbaN⁠" Dahlström (1) - 5.5 months (45%)
Mariusz "⁠Loord⁠" Cybulski (2) - 6 months (40%)
Anton "⁠ToH1o⁠" Georgiev (2) - 10 months (0%)
Andrey "⁠Andi⁠" Prokhorov (1) - 10 months (0%)
Milan "⁠pepik⁠" Gellebra (1) - 10 months (0%)
Morgan "⁠B1GGY⁠" Madour (3) - 7.5 months (25%)
Christian "⁠chrille⁠" Lindberg (2) - 10 months (0%)
Sergey "⁠starix⁠" Ischuk (1) - 10 months (0%)
Alexander "⁠ave⁠" Holdt (1) - 6 months (40%)
Jasmeet "⁠RoSeY⁠" Gill (1) - 10 months (0%)
Sergey "⁠lmbt⁠" Bezhanov (3) - 7.5 months (25%)
Henrik "⁠FeTiSh⁠" Christensen (1) - 3.75 months (25%)
Mikołaj "⁠miNirox⁠" Michałków (1) - 3.75 months (25%)
Nikolay "⁠pNshr⁠" Paunin (1) - 3.75 months (25%)
Casper "⁠ruggah⁠" Due (1) - 3.75 months (25%)

For the duration of the bans, the coaches will not be able to be physically present around the team starting 15 minutes before a match is scheduled to begin up until it ends, and will not be able to communicate, actively or passively, with the players for the same period of time. They will not be allowed inside the game server during official matches and will not take part in the map veto or communicate with the team during this process.

The bans will have effect across all ESIC members, including ESL, DreamHack, BLAST and WePlay. Moreover, the esports watchdog called on non-member tournament organisers to honour these suspensions "for the purpose of protecting the CS:GO esports scene internationally."

Any coach who wishes to contest their ban can contact Kevin Carpenter, the chairman of ESIC's Independent Disciplinary Panel, at kevin@captivatelss.com.

The investigation into the historical abuse of the coaching bug was formally launched by ESIC on September 4. The association hired Michal Slowinski, a veteran Counter-Strike referee and tournament admin, and Steve Dudenhoeffer, a software development manager at ESEA, to analyse tens of thousands of demos after they had played a key role in uncovering the scandal. Slowinski was tipped off to the existence of the bug only in June, though players and coaches suggested to him that it had been in the game since at least 2016. The bug, which was fixed by Valve in its August 26 update, allowed a coach have a locked view of any part of a map for an entire game or until they either reconnected to the server or switched the camera to one of their players.

ESIC thanked Rivalry.gg, DreamHack and WePlay, who have all made contributions to help cover the costs of the investigation. It also acknowledged other ESIC members and industry stakeholders who separately funded investigative activities prior to the start of its formal probe.

nice

2020-09-28 10:00

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inb4 kassad rekted

2020-09-28 10:04

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He said he didnt do it and if I were him and saw this investigation ongoing and I did do it at least once I'd come forward and confess like pita or rejin because it's much better for your public image than lying like a brazilian dude who's not alive... So yeah I trust him

2020-09-28 10:42

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No American coaches banned, looks like we're an honest bunch PogU

2020-09-28 18:00

6 replies

There aren't many at tier1 level nowadays though...

2020-09-28 18:08

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There have been quite a few at the T1 level throughout CS:GO history, especially during the time the bug could have been abused... And there are a fair amount at the T1 level right now... None of them abused the bug for a single map! But nice bait :P

2020-09-28 18:10

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I wasn't baiting... I'm glad that they didnt use it actually I hate all of this bug nonsense

2020-09-28 18:13

IBP XD very honest yes :DD

2020-09-28 18:53

Valve is a murican company.

2020-09-28 21:23

Valve didn't run the investigation, and ESIC is UK based.

2020-09-28 22:27

dead using the bug in 5 ocassions and getting a 6 months ban is CSGO Brazilian privilege.

2020-09-28 19:45

@Darkaren Privilege? Apoka use in 6 ocassions fully explainable, see demos, its a joke bro, cs is a dead game

2020-09-30 14:02

NA don’t cheat boys!! We won something... Well, at the 20% mark anyways.

2020-09-28 10:45

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PepeLaugh just wait for the NA matchfixing scandal coming up

2020-09-28 11:40

Is ESIC investigating that scandal or another org?

2020-09-28 11:43

I dont know about that

2020-09-28 11:56

Match fixing is a hoax! Say it with your chest people.... NA DONT CHEAT!

2020-09-28 18:50

7 replies

Shut up

2020-09-28 20:24

Dumbass it’s obviously a joke.

2020-09-28 20:29

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Ik bro im just having a bad day

2020-09-28 21:31

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Sorry to hear that... Aiight bro take it ez

2020-09-29 01:30

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thanks man

2020-09-29 05:13

WTF is this non-toxic talk? almost wholesome even... Haven't used to see it here. :S

2020-09-29 08:09

build up your homies bro, you never know when they aint feeling great

2020-09-30 05:02

tell me how many coatchs NA have? but if we say how many EU coatchs are with NA teams... the story is very different

2020-09-28 17:11

To be fair NA scene kinda dead. We working with what we got.

2020-09-28 18:51

I was thinking the same thing, apparently our coaches have integrity, not one NA coach on this list.

2020-09-28 17:15

Adren literally stayed in stream that he has all VODs if any accusations come up that he used the bug. He said he hasn’t used the bug

2020-09-28 17:26

Wait for ESEA investigation

2020-09-28 18:23

So, many coaches are being banned and such, and I believe this is the right thing to do. But let me ask yall a question: abusing this bug recently is worse then back in 2015-2018? If not, why the organizations in which recent coaches are involved got extra punished? (For exemple, mibr lost RMR points, got disqualified in tournaments, had to return prize Money, etc)

2020-09-28 14:26

Because they used it during those tournaments ? So it's perfectly fair for them to loose points

2020-09-28 15:39

+1 that should be fucking obvious

2020-09-28 21:39

because they were used during those tournaments

2020-09-28 15:56

They got punished on the tournaments they used the bug in. It's easier because it's recent. Let's say Fnatic used it in Kato 2015, it's so far back you can't really take anything from them unless the use is outrageous.

2020-09-28 19:46

sad

2020-09-29 02:00

big rip

2020-09-29 02:44

BIG

Rip

great

wtf what am I reading

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NA coming out on top. Denmark, Russia and Brazil looking the worst so far. 5, 5, and 8 respectively. You proud to be an American?

2020-09-28 10:14

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Yet brazilians accusing others for cheating with no evidence.

2020-09-28 10:28

Yes this is make me smile 😊 I happy br is caught for cheat

2020-09-28 10:41

if you are talking about Chaos case, we've got a lot of evidence, but unfortunately none of them are "concrete", and now a days you need to get these concrete evidences. But check the case of ASPX, he was a brazilian pro player of CS 1.6 and was banned for cheating, because it was obvious, even without "concrete evidences".

2020-09-29 01:20

pm1.narvii.com/6137/7efca5692d8b14ca369d..

2020-09-29 17:31

It just shows who are working hard in competitive environment. Ie. Denmark, Brazil and Russia have strong local scenes.

2020-09-28 11:37

>working hard >abusing bugs you can only have one

2020-09-29 17:30

6 danish

2020-09-28 12:53

checked again, yes 6, must have skipped one :)

2020-09-29 17:27

good name btw

2020-09-29 17:33

thanks 😎👍

2020-09-29 21:10

37 damn

2020-09-28 10:01

And this is like after 20% of all the work I think

2020-09-28 11:17

How this is fair, i would be angry about it. What about the other 80% bug abusers that we didnt find it

2020-09-28 12:57

They will continue the work until they find 100%, these were just the first finds

2020-09-28 13:29

Not now math works

2020-09-28 16:57

Not how English works

2020-09-30 10:05

KKKKKK

dead when he got ban form esl, he still play as coach on malta vibes. ANd he did ? Use the bug again to win HellRaisers. kkkkkkkkk hltv.org/matches/2343572/mibr-vs-hellrai..

2020-09-28 13:22

lmao

2020-09-28 21:12

OOF

No ynk xaxa

Fairly expected tbh

2020-09-28 15:40

if ynk was using the bug maybe his team would actually be winning something

2020-09-29 06:17

wtf

HOLY SHIT F

2020-09-28 10:02

yikes

37? Holy sh*t

Loads of Brazilians. Jeez. Not looking so good for y'all over there.

There are also 6 bans on dennmark...

2020-09-28 13:34

makes me sad tbh

2020-09-28 14:01

Brazil and Denmark have a lot of coaches around the world

2020-09-28 15:04

Loord - 6 months. Wasn't he the one to have started the whole discussion?

Unluko :(

2020-09-28 10:09

WAIT, really? ROFL

2020-09-28 10:18

Yep. twitter.com/loordbb/status/1298696554426.. And now twitlonger.com/show/n_1srdpno “weird coach bug” lmaoooo

KEK this is next level!

2020-09-28 11:41

Haha he thought if he reported it he wouldn’t be banned. SELF REPORT

2020-09-28 15:36

Lol dude playing Among Us in CSGO. Next level imposter tactics.

2020-09-28 18:54

And here we again see the fabulous side of humanity :D

2020-09-28 10:20

Whoops

Ooof

2020-09-28 11:04

Ahahahahaha why you self report blu, very sus

2020-09-28 12:03

"guys I think loord self reported"

2020-09-28 16:03

loool

free guerri

+1 He proved that he didn't took any advantage

2020-09-28 11:49

2020-09-28 13:38

"didn't took"

Agreed, I would allow Guerri to not take ban since he explained and didn’t use it.

2020-09-28 17:28

2020-09-28 15:45

2020-09-29 04:01

Rejin biggest ban? Biggest cheater?

Tier 1 aggravated, he actively pursued using the cheats during his time on tricked

2020-09-28 10:10

zoner almost has double of rejin though

2020-09-28 10:11

but Rejin has a shitton of concessions

2020-09-28 21:13

LOL wtf am i reading at 5am CS is dying slowly

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flag checked

2020-09-28 10:16

Brazil CS is dead after 2017

2020-09-28 10:32

lmao poland dead since 1.6

2020-09-28 15:46

lmao Egypt no scene since 1999

2020-09-28 20:12

lmao Poland trying to ße relevant with washed up players since 2016

2020-09-28 23:12

what the fuckkk is going on

2020-09-28 14:23

CS slowly dying, Brazil CS died within 2 weeks

2020-09-28 14:38

When it comes to money, ppl loose their minds

2020-09-28 21:32

holy shit 37?

Twista got oofed bigtime

Yes tf??

2020-09-28 11:16

Rejin too, z0ner tho LOL

2020-09-28 11:18

Hahahahahahahahhahahhhahah

tip of the iceberg on cheating in csgo...

Well summarized!

2020-09-28 11:01

2020-09-28 12:31

STARIX OMEGALUL

2020-09-28 10:03

+1 lol

2020-09-28 13:21

just because starix used this bug doesn't mean Flusha did not cheat.

2020-09-28 16:50

expected

this is so stupid

christ almightly

NA clean EU dirty lmao

#67

2020-09-28 10:07

CIS =/= EU 90% of actual EU bans are DK anyway

2020-09-28 10:08

yet astralis stays clean

so THATS why NA delay is a thing!

2020-09-28 17:31

deserved!

Yo what the fuck

make them pay a fine, screw bans, doesnt hurt shit

-1 unfair to the tier 69 SA coaches who get 100 pesos a year, and doesn’t actually solve shit bcs people will abuse the next bug they find as well

2020-09-28 10:24

Some nations (the fair ones) use a fine system where you pay percentage of your income, instead of a fixed fee. 100000000 times more fair than a fixed fee.

2020-09-28 13:35

LOL

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA STARIX

Fnatic and NIP still safe and pure. Feels good

swedish cs top1

2020-09-28 10:06

On LAN, yes its us or Danishmark. Online seems to favor the baguettes or other low tier nations

Bruh baguettes lost almost all finals to onliners during this period (heroic had never been good before, big was struggling for two years). Kenny is far better on LAN, in fact french teams are better on LAN by far. Idk where you’re getting that.

Bitches love sosa

2020-09-28 12:05

yes mens))

2020-09-28 14:10

ggwp coaches

Brazil and Denmark = bug abuser scenes

Germans just plain out install software. Much better isn't it?

2020-09-28 13:36

Outdated meme

2020-09-28 23:02

Nice irony coming from BiG country

2020-09-28 15:44

haha the brazilians lol, but fuck all cheaters

EU and SA u dirty cheaters

can’t be cheating if u got no scene btw eagerly waiting for announcement of the throwing investigation gon be 70+% NA only

2020-09-28 10:26

Exactly who needs to cheat when 80-99% of games are fixed.

2020-09-28 11:25

not what I meaant, if you bet on tier 1000 games dont be surprised u lose, its usually just a shit clownfiesta rather than matchfix which happens rarely imo

2020-09-28 11:53

iBuyPower

2020-09-29 13:39

zoneR 16 times xaxaxaxa

No American coaches banned, love to see it

80% more to go.

+1 good for you, although no bans really from the MDL/Advanced circuits. You have the matchfixing scandal there, so maybe some coaches have also been involved in shady shit.

crazy how it's full of EU and BR coaches :thinking:

They are waiting for burgers to wake up before they ban those

lmao +1

Adren said on stream he has all VODs if anything against him came up. He says he is clean

2020-09-28 17:29

Eu has more matches than all other regions combined.

2020-09-28 10:19

Dont generalise pls. We germans are fair players.

You have so fucking many cheaters in MM that it hurts.

2020-09-28 13:37

big jump crouch peek cache

There’s literally one team in Germany relevant, so I hope they aren’t found cheating. I guess 2 if you include Sprout. Attack X doesn’t count

2020-09-28 17:30

Only me have bug in hltv?

xaxaxaxaxaxaxa

2020-09-28 10:05

Lmao Starix complaining about Flusha, all this time was a bug abuser omegaLUL

+1 XAXAXAXAXAXA

+1 that is actual comedy gold

instant karma OMEGALUL

2020-09-28 11:54

twitter.com/starixCS/status/131050266454..

it doesn't mean Flusha did not cheat tho.

2020-09-28 16:52

agree, but he who is without sin throw the first stone or whatever jesus said

2020-09-28 17:07

hahahaha

LOOOOL

Damn, that's a lot of Brazilian coaches. Respect to zews.

Lmao dead used it 5 times????? Lmao so much for Brazilians crying it was "only once, so he shouldn't be punished".

2020-09-28 11:14

THIS PURGE AHAHAHAHHAH

NO ZONIC LETS GOOOOO

Not surprised, Astralis seems to run a tight ship. Fnatic and NIP also, well maybe not NIP so much but fine

2020-09-28 10:15

Fnatic didnt need to do it because flusha gives all the info

2020-09-28 10:43

:D +1

2020-09-28 11:05

+1 Yes mens)))

2020-09-28 12:45

2020-09-28 21:17

hahaha got em

2020-09-29 01:52

ma'man

2020-09-29 04:54

how did dead even get a reduction....

yea lied that he only used it once xaaxaa

WTF

2020-10-05 10:17

Hahaahahaha starix, also fetish coached? Wtf

ToH1o and pNshr? :(

starix xaxaxxxaxaxaxaa

lol og rip

Nah only 3 months. Did not use the bug much

Ye happened 1st pistol and he dc'd immediately after it didn't go back to 1st person

2020-09-28 10:34

yup. Now just 3 months vacation and then back :D

2020-09-28 10:54

yea im glad they arent suspending him his case looks like one of the few legitimate innocent cases

2020-09-28 10:55

true and that's good

2020-09-28 10:57

Starix lmaooooo "flusha cheating ok heheh" Few times later....

's case, the esports watchdog decided to increase the ban from 24 to 36 months, giving the Russian the maximum penalty after he was caught using the bug in 424 rounds across 16 maps.

424 rounds?! Holy cow, where is permanent ban like Ibuypower

2020-09-28 17:32

biggy getting banned again man thats rough

I hate To see it too ;(

Starix LMFAOOO and he had the nerve to say that valve was covering up for cheaters disgusting trash

One doesn't canncel other. Valve tolerates cheating as long as it brings or keeps more players in than out. It makes perfect sense it's just about making money not everyone happy.

2020-09-28 11:31

Delusional thinking right here.

0iq bot

HALF OF THE LIST IS BRAZIL OMEGALUL

no romanian coach 👌 we dont have any coach 😹😹

Feels bad for guerri but fair is fair and it could have been much worse for him

Please not guerri ;(

Guerri? F and rip OG LUL

Only 3 months tho. He got less ban time than every other coach. (I'm about ruggah)

2020-09-28 11:09

Zonic is clean. I’m proud

+1 but lets be honest he aint as stupid as ROBBAN to ruin his legacy

Hell yea dude, 16-1 loss .. so much kekw

there have only reviewed 20% of all demo's Big chance many coaches will still get coughed

2020-09-28 10:23

knowing zonic he would easily confess so I don't think he abused it

So let's just ban all coaches, just to be safe and be sure that no one is cheating. And ban EG's coach - those are big money he made in those 2 matchfixes against Furia and 100T

2020-09-28 12:51

RIP CSGO SCENE

2020-09-28 10:13

only 37? expected more

thats only 20% of the vods they reviewed

2020-09-28 12:24

most of them are no-names, but we got a names like starix, FeTiSh, RobbaN, Loord, HUNDEN, Twista. total disgrace

xdxdxdxd 17 cases one guy had

Whattt

HAHAHAHA WHERE IS NA? oh wait... we matchfix :(

B1GGY should really be banned from anything pro related. How do you get caught cheating as a player and as a coach lmao

2020-09-28 10:17

hahahah

Lol that's really funny.

2020-09-28 10:21

Why twista got 15,75month ban while castle, dinamo, glou, prd, hellpa, solaar, pita, elllll, tohio, chrille all got only 10months? And how dead and f_1n would have gotten only 10 months without reductions? At the 1st glance this doesnt seem that fair.... but there probably is reason for it.

2020-09-28 10:31

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Twista used it in a major qualifier where igame were 3:12 down and came back to win in OT

2020-09-28 10:30

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I have seen that nuke one (idk if the same you meant). Stupid of him (or some kind of misunderstanding) that he only coffessed to one of those two. Idk if its that long because how many rounds he used it or because it was major qualifier or both. If it was the amount of rounds I dont agree because probably in most games coaches used the bug till the end of the map. If its because major qualifier i totally agree.

2020-09-28 10:35

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it probably is because it was a major rounds dont seem to matter guerri for example had the bug for most of a map and got 4 months ruggah had it happen to him for 1 round and instant dc'd and still got 3.5 months i dont think rounds used so much as impact it had is counted but idk some of these sentences seem stupid

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But also these coaches used it in major qualifier: nook 10month (-12,5%) Apoka 36month (-80%) wtf only 5.4 months dead 10 months (-35%) F_1N 10 months (-12,5%) So all of these got lower bans while they did the same thing. Why Twista got then 18months? Doesn't make sense...

2020-09-28 11:06

idk man these bans hardly make sense its like they didnt decide on a system of punishment and just went with gut feelings because some of these bans are laughably pathetic and others are stupidly long

2020-09-28 11:10

Also this: "SANCTIONING MATRIX Ban Period (Months) Tier 1 (Aggravated) (8 Points) 36 Tier 1 Sanction (6 to 7 Points) 18 Tier 2 Sanction (3 to 5 points) 10 Tier 3 Sanction (< 3 points) 5" so why ban length isnt decided directly by their point system. makes no sense that someone who had only 3 penalty points gets same ban than someone with 5, etc... why they need tier system when they already have point system??

In Annexure B it says: "In respect of duration of abuse: >50 rounds of abuse would attribute 5 demerit points to the offending party; >20 rounds of abuse would attribute 3 demerit points to the offending party;" Twista used the bug for 53 rounds. So if the had used it "only" 49rounds he would have got much less. Doesnt make sense. If the coach doesnt dc then they plan to use it for the rest of the map so why is this round based???? also why there are penalty for 1,2,3,5 points but no 4? did they get lazy? "It is noted that individuals falling into the >50 rounds of abuse category were more harshly penalized as this indicated a reckless indifference to the exploitation of the Spectator Bug which was exceptional when compared to the rest of the dataset being examined." In my opinion it matter much more how many times the bug was used not how many rounds it was used....

2020-09-28 11:11

honestly who knows once the initial shock is gone i think people will begin to look at these bans more closely and realise none of them are actually consistent

I hope that these esic bans will start conversation and we can get good and fair ban system for the future.

2020-09-28 11:15

100% they will have to if this is what has happened from just 20% of the cases otherwise it will end up being a shit show

well those 20% are the ones the software flagged (and the ones they already did manually). Now I think there is left those demos the software didnt flag.

2020-09-28 11:20

im not sure what the other 80% a human will find an ai wouldnt but i hope it makes them reconsider how they are doing all of this i only really cared about ruggah's verdict but its clear hes innocent and the bug happened by accident i just hope that future cases will get innocent people reduced punishment and make them reconsider other bans that seem quite long considering how short esport careers are

2020-09-28 11:32

Yes your favorite good guy coach Twista was one the biggest (if not the biggest) abuser of the bug. Get over it and stop blaming ESIC for his dishonesty. Thanks.

we finns can have constructive conversation. apparently you cant...

also it makes no sense that the penalty points from how many times the bug goes are 1,2 or 3. While the penalty points from how many rounds it was used are 1,2,3 or 5. In my opinion it should go the other way. 1-3 penalty points from the rounds and 1-5 penalty points from how many times the bug was used without dc.

#330 Clearly you are upset your favorite coach Twista got the biggest ban. But he was probably the biggest, or at least one of the biggest abusers of it. Get over it.

2020-09-28 11:42

I think you're projecting. You're the one with the ENCE flair. He may be a Finn but he's got a DIG flair on.

2020-09-28 22:05

soo basically the whole finnish csgo legacy is build on cheating. thats a bummer. or is it the same same major where they went on all the way to final?

2020-09-28 11:47

Not the same major nor same team

2020-09-28 11:57

this wasnt kato but x7 was on igame when this happened so who knows what twista has changed by exploiting the bug x7 might never have joined ence if igame didnt qualify or something for example

2020-09-28 12:07

Nah this was iGame back in 2017. They royally fucked over Tricked, stole their spot in the minor by winning the match. Sweet karma in play though - HUNDEN played in that Tricked team, and Rejin was coaching it. Really a shame this. Our pro scene is miniscule compared to Sweden or Denmark. It's a big blow.

2020-09-28 13:27

NO GERMANS GERMANS = CLEANEST NATION!!! THE ONLINE MEMES HAVE TO STOP!!!

Jermans*

2020-09-28 10:22

Jermans dont use game bugs, they use game extensions to cheat

2020-09-28 11:59

+1 can confirm

2020-09-28 12:26

Who needs bugs if you can play supperman mode and x ray through walls.

2020-09-28 13:40

+1 BIG was Top1 online with teams cheating left and right. BIG truly Top1.

2020-09-28 14:45

+1 It's obvious now, such a legendary team

LMFAOOOOO fucking dirty cheaters

Taneli "DiSTURBED" Veikkola safe so far....

He hasnt coached for long tho

The funniest one on the list here has to be Starix Other than that a surprising lack of tier 1 coaches

Starix and loord both took it out without confessing :DD kys to them

Yes and even better.. Starix was accusing Flusha of cheating the other week. Look who is banned now OMEGALUL

yeah and imagine being such a manchild looking snake (like they both do) and never winning anything

LUL

2020-09-28 10:47

HOLY SHIT

RobbaN used the bug against Astralis and FaZe still got clapped 16-1 lmao

Lol

+1 best case so far

2020-09-28 10:25

well he had to avoid a 16-0 embarassment somehow

2020-09-28 10:33

oWo

All Coaches move to valorant imo No bans there only coverups

rekt

rip rejin....

Lots of famous Danes :/

expected from APOKA 6 TIMES KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

Brazil and EU gotta get their shit together. NA bastion of good behavior and ethics. Lots of Danes and Brazilians on there. Also Ruggah's dumb ass must have thought he wouldn't get caught. How do you not confess if you are OG's coach. Also since this will trigger people because it's self-evident these coaches should literally all be banned for life if we are going to ban unpaid IBP members for throwing a meaningless game. These are actual cheaters and you are an idiot if you think this information didn't make it to the players. lolololol

Only 20% of demos has been discovered*

Ruggah got 25% reduction so that's a confession + it was 1 round and then he disconnected

Are u stupid? Read OG CS GO twitter

2016. one match, one round. According to OG ruggah informed them about it and both parties immediately started cooperating with ESIC on the matter.

2020-09-28 12:20

Who cares? He's a cheater. It's literally the worst thing you can be in this game.

2020-09-28 14:03

Flair doesn't check out

2020-09-28 14:24

Valve just being bad at making games Don't blame coaches for Valves incompetence

UK coaches squeaky clean

+1 thats all im seeing, the many UK coaches in CS arnt cheaters like brazilians/danes!

2020-09-28 11:38

Good.

Massive coach bug abuse scandal, MDL matchfixing, furia glitching in grand final. CS:GO pro scene is pathetic and this game deserves to die

hello riot games csgo will never die

Ok 0iq

good argument

2020-09-28 12:08

It's not an argument, it's a statement. There's a reason I called you 0iq :)

2020-09-28 12:11

2020-09-28 14:17

wait Loord??????? he was the one who reported it

2020-09-28 10:27

Axaxaxa imagine reporting it and end up being banned

I'm guessing that maybe he used the bug first and then reported it

2020-09-28 10:38

Like in Among Us, where impostor reports himself)))

2020-09-28 11:12

zoneR 16 wtf mens bad coach esl should ban the team at this moment F for ruggah

Hard legions defeated NaVi with this ( 2-0 ) and without cheat they got raped 16-2 16-5

2020-09-28 10:37

yeah i saw that demo

2020-09-28 10:40

argentina no scene yet 2 abusers KEKW

Where's Zonic?

I WAS HERE

Ave :(

LMAO, get rekt cheaters.

STARIX HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I love how Hunden uses it twice, and starix uses it once but gets a worse punishment

Didn't Starix Admit knowing about it and used it once? but hunden doesn't? They seem a bit Biased

2020-09-28 10:36

Yes

Should've contacted ESIC instead of making a post on VK that no one would see.

2020-09-28 10:44

even if I do, it won't matter.

2020-09-28 11:13

because hunden helped with the investigation i think

Hunden get 20% concessions(10 * 0.8 = 8) and starix get 0% concessions(10 * 1 = 10)

RiP Starix :\

Even Loord? Wow

Only know like a third of those coaches A team name behind the coaches-name would be very helpful

Didn't expect this from RUGGAH.... Dissapointed.

He only used it for one round F

Just replying to be a part of this epic thread

No Apoka

should be some punishment for all the team involved as well

People cheated against astralis and still lost. Lol.

can't outcheat smokebug abuse.

everyone used the smokebug

2020-09-28 12:30

apoka??? :((

Rip Zoner, fucking 36 month ban, thats insane!!

half of them used it 1 or 2 times, obviously it was by accident some also talked about the bug, for example pita circus

FAZE LOOOOL ROBBAN

holy fuck

2020-09-28 10:39

Wat doink Pepik???

" hey will not be allowed inside the game server during official matches and will not take part in the map veto or communicate with the team during this process. The bans will have effect across all ESIC members, including ESL, DreamHack, BLAST and WePlay. However, the esports watchdog called on non-member tournament organisers to honour these suspensions "for the purpose of protecting the CS:GO esports scene internationally." " roflol. GL trying to force them not communicating with their players during game or helping them with map veto. don't forget it's online CS, everything is allowed until you're caught..

RobbaN lol, get rekt abusers and nice work ESIC

Furia explain why no honor ?

Thats why NaVi got out of groups in RtR lol Syman, GY and Hard legions are all f*ckin cheaters Thanks ESIC

nah, it's because navi is a trash team with no future

2020-09-28 10:46

But Hard Legions are confirmed cheaters

2020-09-28 10:51

Cuz they were awfull at that time and ofc hard legion took part

2020-09-28 11:02

2020-09-28 11:28

You should show the number of rounds when it was used. 2 cases with 15 round each is worse than 4 cases with 1 rounds each.

yoo maybe directlink the sheets or make a own sheet? what is this list with no strucutre and no infos? e: wow rejin really bad. dead not that bad as expected

F Guerri

So "dead" said he didn't use it and we find out that he used it in 5 cases, haha ok man. It's like cheaters saying "get good man, I don't cheat". Makes me wonder how many pro were cheating back then when the whole KQLY, Sf, & co drama came out.

"Makes me wonder how many pro were cheating back then when the whole KQLY, Sf, & co drama came out." makes me wonder, how many former oldschool pros from this list (RobbaN, ave, Twista, F1_N, Loord, starix, prd) were or weren't cheating in online games back in 1.5/1.6 (even when teams like SK played on inferno online for quals). if they have the spine to pull off shit like this, I wouldn't be very surprised that they have actually cheated in their player careers.

2020-09-28 10:49

tbh I hate brazil scene but I think the data covers dead. all 5 cases only 1 round. 4/5 it was in first round 1/5 it was in round 8 when they were leading 6-1 esic.gg/annexure-a-sanction-outcomes.pdf look at the data from other coaches. I think there are noticable differences between "accident" and "abuse"

2020-09-28 10:53

there were also games before these where dead instantly disconnected after encountering the bug. Apparently during RMR events he stopped doing it and waited a round. that clearly is abuse.

Damn, even lmbt :(

holy fak

RIP

whoa

Welcome to the new era of csgo with no coaches!

2020-09-28 10:48

Fucking joke scene... atleast fnatic coaches or players never cheated!!

Not so fast. mobile.twitter.com/cajunbCS/status/13105..

He is the coach of north now, right? I interpret it like he is "proud" of having a coach that didnt get banned

2020-09-28 14:54

Oh, he's North's coach? If that is the case then it makes sense to interpret it as proud/trolling the community

2020-09-28 18:22

Yeah he is, I just googled it. Thought ive read that as news on hltv before :) so yeah some kind of trolling is probably what he was doing^^

2020-09-28 18:32

damn my boi ave :(

LUL He admit it and.... Slaava "⁠Twista⁠" Räsänen (2 cases) - 15.75 months (12.50% concessions) only 12.50% lol what a real mf.

Maybe the first time was an accident and disconnected after that or something like that but the second one was for atleast one map. That could explain the partially agreement. Edit* First was 6 rounds and 2nd was 47 rounds in one map

2020-09-28 10:59

You can assume that but i don't believe it. If he wasn't sure he could at least say there is probably another case from that time period but He doesn't know and he will look further for himself.

2020-09-28 11:00

Yeah as this is only result from 20% of the matches, there can be more, for everyone.

he probably forgot the other one. I cant find any other reason why he would only admit to one of the 2...

2020-09-28 12:23

I read now the list. he did 47 round in a minor-closed qualifier. If he can't remember that then he is a piece of s.

I of course meant that 6 rounds one in some noname tournament....

2020-09-28 12:59

missing a certain flag so far

2020-09-28 10:50

So - kassad and zonic - best coaches right now :)

2020-09-28 10:52

How u rate coaches? XD kassad seems decent to me since he didn't achieve anything

he achieved with an australian team, that in it of itself is amazing

2020-09-29 02:47

POGGERS

pita 0 % reduction? Didn't he confess and send an email to Valve about the issue?

Either he didn't confess to ESIC or his confession wasn't accepted

Could you add used round amount to the context?

2020-09-28 11:08

ALL CHEATERS SHOULD BE BANNED PERMAMENTLY WITH NO WAYS OUTS , REGARDLESS OF THEIR NATIONALITY ,CONNECTIONS AND SO ON. THATS THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE OUR LOVED GAME FAIR AND CLEAR OF CHEATERS, PERIOD.

I agree that cheaters should be banned. But were all of them cheaters?

2020-09-28 12:12

Ouch

2020-09-28 10:56

so many, i was expecting a lot

FeTiSh⁠ :(

can you add what teams they are with or have been with after their names?

2020-09-28 12:15

So the only clean teams are AStralis, Nip and old(polish) VP?

2020-09-28 10:58

Fnatic also

Yeah, and fnatic.

2020-09-28 11:19

And every NA team (except for the tier 3 trash that was matchfixing in MDL)

2020-09-28 16:08

not a single NA flag in sight pog

They were doing one country at time... Wait for it

Nat a single NA coach in the game

2020-09-28 13:17

Noticed a lot of pistol round usage. Coaches think that they can get away with just one round? The most important round too.

The bug started along with the maps, since the pistol is the first round... Most of them left the game after they realized they were bugged. You're eager to judge but don't know the facts

2020-09-28 12:06

There are coaches on the list that have bug for multiple pistol rounds (and 2nd-3rd rounds) so they clearly know what the bug is and that it provides an unfair advantage. Many coaches sit for the entirety of warmup with this bug and only wait until after the pistol round is done to fix it. I hear coaches say that they believed that the bug would fix itself when warmup ends. That is understandable if they believe that it would fix on its own, but once it doesn't, there is no excuse to think that again. If they know the bug provides an unfair advantage because they have direct experience with it, there is no excuse to not disconnect or call an admin. Having the bug for one round once is not enough to ban, but doing it multiple times is inexcusable.

2020-09-29 18:11

the amount of people who supposedly used the bug in one occassion is absurdely high. Like, what are the odds, if you are an actual wrong-doer, that you do it just once and then stop? This is typical for investigations, where algorithms do some search without human proof imo. They are unrelieable and easy to challenge and one occasion should not be enough!

exactly

i find this to be generally aggrevating in nowadays world. So many decisions and judgements are not founded on common sense ...

Yes, they didn't even had the chance to defend themselves, and even the ones who explained and exposed the bug were punished. Valve is just trying to remove coaches from the game and switching the attention from the fact that there was a bug in the game for years

2020-09-28 12:04

twitter.com/LoordBb/status/1298704413373.. wp

I hope Valve will give lifetime Major bans for these coaches.

Now Valve will delete coaches from CS, because it's easier than fix the bug for them.

2020-09-28 11:03

Aus cs is best cs

Always, Lets not look at matchfixing and results.

Don't remind me

2020-09-28 11:21

voi vitun vitun vitun vitun vitun vitun vitun vitun vitun vitun vitun vitun vitun vitun vitun VITTU

OMG

so many BRAZIL coaches HAHAHA

and Denmark HAHAH

Nice now go ban all the matchfixing teams

2020-09-28 11:07

why didnt pita get any ban reduction?

Because he told valve some years ago which makes it their fault for not fixing it, they salty

It just shows how they're punishing people for their mistake

2020-09-28 12:01

^this

2020-09-28 13:24

I think the detail data shows that some coaches on the list probably didnt abused it in the meaning of causing the bug by intent and using it systematically. esic.gg/annexure-a-sanction-outcomes.pdf if you look at the number of rounds they "used" it + in which round they used it, you can see 2 pretty distinct groups of coaches in the data

Thx for pointing that out. Ruggah eg only 1 round, that isn't even cheating

We are probably experiencing one of the biggest scandals in CS:GO history right now...

starix.. who has just joined Hard Legion ROFL The most funny thing is that he used it vs HUNDEN :D

Hard legion 46 months in total hahah

62 actually fury^ is HL CS:GO manager :) But I don't know particular case of him using the bug. Might be not with HL. But he's still presenting the organisation And AKIMOV is assistant coach in HL as well.

Minirox reported this bug to ESIC immidiatley after it appeared and didnt use it for his own advantage. Now he is banned because of that one time. Nice shitshow.

He should contest the ban then. miNirox is best thing that happened to polish cs since Golden5

They will only make it less longer, but he'll still be banned. It's sad how people are eager for blood and don't even care about the evidence.

Yup, cheap sensations. However they only prooved it was used, and not how it influenced the game. This is sth else, that we can consider

2020-09-28 12:32

more bans inc :)

I don't think that's all they gonna find.

Wow. Did not know that NooK was still active! Fun even tho the circumstances.

2020-09-28 11:23

his case is from 2k17

Ah okey that explains it! Remember him from M19 :)

2020-09-29 16:23

So there's still more to come? Wow.

2020-09-28 11:26

zoneR killing it w/ 16 cases, I wonder someone will beat it XD

It was expected, everyone who understands russian knows he is a dirty human being according to his interviews etc

2020-09-28 11:44

What does he say?

2020-09-28 11:55

He says he doesnt care he does everything to win and gives no fuck if its illegal It was expected, he is typical russian gopnik

2020-09-28 12:34

OMG this is terrible

2020-09-28 17:21

omg so disappointed just like wtf guys srsly?? this game is just cheating fest now big money ruined it. now just go die RIP CS

+1 kinda ruins it thinking there has been mass cheating going on for years, how did this many people do it and not one thought to expose it in what, 4 years? (not sure if even longer)

only in one in thousand games was the bug used. thats 0.1% of the time. wouldnt call that a cheating fest.

do you play cs? i mean its just unplayable on mm and same on faceit. always some cheaters on mm or guys in stack (9lvl+2lvl) smurfing or cheating idk. CS in only LAN game.

never face cheaters on faceit. im lvl 8. but I do hardly play cs anymore, so maybe thats why (1-5 faceit games per 2 months or so).

RIP CS

2020-09-28 11:33

Guerri ((

Goodbye and good riddance

2020-09-28 11:39

A little meme imgflip.com/i/4gj3dz

dead used it five times lmao. fuck mibr

The thing I loved the most is that Fer said he didn't knew much about the game and haven't even realized what happend. That is even worst than cheating, they had a coach that didn't even knew how the game. So dumb

He was just there to cheer them up when they felt down. Kinda obvious since their strats were garbage most of the time.

wtf ruggah

1 round on 1 map in 1 match Really not cheating

2020-09-28 12:33

esic is a joke with these bans. they even lost that round. it's most likely that ruggah was just confused as to what was going on and when his brain finally registered what was going on was bad he just disconnected and he still gets banned. how can you give out bans for just encountering the bug?

2020-09-30 10:12

+1 ESIC is using this case to get more funding. While some of the coaches clearly abused the bug, most just seems to have encountered it and thought it was a random glitch

2020-09-30 13:07

actually it's not all that unsurprising that some coaches just didn't say anything about it. it is a valve game after all. a lot might have just thought oh well just csgo things and then tried to fix it themselves.

2020-09-30 13:18

These coaches should be banned. Just like the IBP players. However, I am certain the list will continue to grow. Which is a shame.

rip AGO

Apoka got his ban from 30 to 4.5 months 5head

OMEGALUL

2020-09-28 11:45

And Jamppi got lifetime ban for using cheats in mm when he was 13yo xd

2020-09-28 11:48

Ez for malek and xtqzz

It doesn't even make sense, some of these guys explained everything and proved that they didn't exploit the bug... They're swapping the attention from Valve's mistakes to coaches, and the community, eager for blood, is buying it. Valve keep making the same mistakes and everyone is ok with it

2020-09-28 11:51

17 replies

Totally agreed

Doesn't matter how many explanations they got. They have been caught with their fingers in the cookie jaw and then the hammer hits

2020-09-28 12:09

It does matter, not all crimes are made equal. You can confuse your phone with someone else and steal it without intention, and you can steal a phone using a gun. Not the same thing.

lol not quite the same. Every coach would know this was a bug and they tried to get an unfair advantage in the pro scene over other teams, instead of reporting it as they knew they should have.. There is no excuse

2020-09-28 12:17

Some of them (if you see the list) had it only once, reported and were banned the same way...

2020-09-28 12:19

I do agree that it can be harsh for some that only used it one time for less than a round and reported it afterwards, but they should have thought of that BEFORE using it that one time. You dont go and use aimbot for one round either, just because you wanted to see what it was, as you know that is wrong. Same thing goes with this

But they weren't intentionally using it... Very different from aimbot

Oh of course they used it intentionally. Dont tell me that the coaches, which have been around the longest and knows the most about this game, didn't know what they were doing in that situation, that is too weak of an explanation

2020-09-28 12:27

Actually dead from MiBR didn't knew because he knows nothing about CS (But that's even worst than cheating). Of course they knew, some of them reported and even exposed the bug and still got punished. What can you say about it?

2020-09-28 12:29

Ahh, is he really that dumb he dont know what he is doing at all? Maybe that is why it's been going so bad for Mibr for so long then lol. Jokes aside, you can also see those that have helped valve and confessed before they got 'caught' have gotten a redused punishment. The concession allowances included: Confession prior to the investigation announcement - 40% ban period reduction Confession accepted in full - 25% ban period reduction Confession accepted partially - 12.5% ban period reduction Assistance in the investigation - 20% ban period reduction I can't disagree with these punishments, or it would be like accepting foul play in the pro scene, just because they found a bug in the game, that nobody knew about and nobody reported it properly, until that Michal Slowinski guy started investigating it, long after it being used the first time

So why didn't Pita get a 85% reduction when he clearly confessed early, accepted any kind of punishment and tried to alert Valve twice about the issue?

2020-09-28 12:49

I can't say. From the news that we read earlier about Pita, then he should have been one of those that had a clear reduction, since he was kinda the first to come forward publicly and claimed to have tried to contact valve twice, but maybe he didn't play with so open cards as he tried to pretend? Seems weird if not

2020-09-28 12:55

He admitted to using the bug twice and his sentence confirms that (number of cases is put in brackets). So he has been completely transparent about the whole thing.

2020-09-28 13:00

I guess these aint final punishments anyway, as they all have a chance to appeal the ruling. 'ESIC's investigation, which is still underway, does offer a way for affected parties to appeal the rulings through the Independent Disciplinary Panel.'

2020-09-28 13:03

Obv case that this is stupid beyond imagination. Kids are taking it like fresh mac burgers, without thinking. Only one to blame is valve for a game that soon is going to have 10 years and still is full of bugs.

2020-09-28 12:10

2020-09-28 12:16

are you kiddin? its so fucking stupid, ALL COACHES USED THIS BUG, SO ITS SOMETHING LIKE FAIR PLAY

2020-09-28 11:58

That is so dumb, you will see when you get older and more mature

Apparently not all coaches did use it

2020-09-28 12:13

If its ingame it should be used. If valve doesnt want it than maybe fix this god damn awful excuse of a game? How many players did abuse, radar bugs, smoke bugs,boost bugs etc? You dont van people because your game is broken you fix it. This helps nothing. Use of bugs is not even cheating, cause everybody has same version of game without some enhancments. Like seriously? Start banning whole eu cause ruskis have to play with them on higher pings and this is also unfair. Stop making a mockery out of yourself and just fix this. Move on.

I don't know if it SHOULD be used. But you can't blame other people for mistakes that you made as Valve is doing

yes u can. Those bans are harmless considering its nothing else than blatant cheating. Just compare it to perma throwing bans (which are imo justified as well)

2020-09-28 13:55

Bug abusing = illegal is literally in the ruleset of every tournament, therefore ur comment is bs from beginning tbh

2020-09-28 13:53

Nah ESIC does not even know what abusing means. Therefore this whole investigation is bs. And as i said many pros have been abusing bugs from start of this game. No point going after coaches. Just a smoke screen do blame dont go to valve for not fixing a bug called to admins 4 years ago.

2020-09-28 19:17

Lmao loord banned XD

Arthur "⁠prd⁠" Resende 5 cases 10 months and twista 2 cases 15 months?? :DD wtf some1 explain pls. and didnt twista use it in igame.com years ago on some pointless matches.

Was wondering same. Well, i think this is one nail more for Ence's coffin. Maybe its time to stop watching these games anymore. Lol there was more than 5 uses of some coaches and they got max 10 months, seems fair lol.

2020-09-29 04:17

B1ggy get VAC for cheating and matchfixing, now banned cuz of coach bug. Disgusting.

What's up now, starix? flusha's the cheater? Pathetic.

Yes,flusha proven cheater. And?

2020-09-28 12:58

Wow... Lost for words.

2020-09-28 12:18

no hard working, fair and never bug abusing german coach on the list gg guys and fu to all the loser cheters

only 20% of demos reviewed

ok i was wondering why big coach isnt banned

2020-09-28 14:06

They checked tier 1 cs first, it will be while till they get to tier 10 demos

2020-09-29 00:15

What the F

Now they need to find and ban the players they dont like

2020-09-28 12:28

where are the retards who accused tow b and BIG xaxaxaxa

and players? They knew about bug. They should have Penalty payment

lol, i hope we will not see b1ad3 here. Starix,andi,lmbt...wtf

Anyone thought CS GO is just and sincere takich into account people that play the game, their toxicity, lies, character and greediness?

sad for OG and Ruggah

I find it really weird that so many people knew about the bug for so many years, but abused it only on 1 or 2 instances, while only zoner used it systematically. I mean if you cheat once and dont get caught for years, why not cheat again?

2020-09-28 12:35

+1 they are just trying to soften the situation for sure

2020-09-30 01:02

when volvo gonna perma ban all of them no matter what

2020-09-28 12:36

So many coaches. Surprised to see Ave in the list, thought he would have higher standards, but glad that Zonic ain't among them

2020-09-28 12:40

What a joke. Pita admitted to using the bug and he said he tried to warn Valve twice about it and he gets a full sentence. Meanwhile, starix knew about the bug for 4 years and hasn't said anything about it. He didn't even admit to using it and doesn't show any kind of remorse because "he was focused on his players".

2020-09-28 12:42

ESIC who??????????

2020-09-28 12:47

If you watch furia games, guerri never stands on his pc, most of the time he's behind arT

yes, he made a good apology video that is very believable, however, the possibility still exists that he COULD have used it. i believe him, but at the same time i can understand why he was issued this ban. i just hope furia will be patient with him and does not kick him

2020-09-28 13:05

Furia won't kick him for sure, he's a main part of team success

2020-09-28 13:18

no germans expected from ehrenmänner

2020-09-28 13:04

This is absolutely pathetic in terms of punishments, the entire integrity of csgo is at stake here, and Valve should step up and give lifetime bams to anyone who used the bug more than once. Many many players have received lifetime bans for a lot less.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GO TO HELL FUCKING CHEATERS, DONT COME BACK !

2020-09-28 13:11

hellpa LMAOOOO

From harassing a girl of the team he used to coach to this LMAO

2020-09-28 14:02

Should reduce some punishments if the coach offers promising evidence..

2020-09-28 13:14

starix HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Jasmeet noob

2020-09-28 13:16

Starix ahaahaahhaaa

Guerri ban is not fair. He proved. OBJECTIONNNNN

I really don't understand what ESIC has in mind "no matter the context, if the bug happened to you, you are banned" this kind of logic is not good, it is just unfair and wrong.

2020-09-28 17:34

Expected bugs from shithole games

Any brazilian without ban? No bug no win 😂👌🏿

2020-09-28 13:48

And denmark? 6 coachs too hahaha

where is na matchfixing news

2020-09-28 13:49

This scene is a joke tbh. If so many abuse this stuff without thinking twice, i dont want to know how much real cheating is going on actually

2020-09-28 13:59

Valve is the impostor

First time I am proud to not see a Romanian flag in a HLTV list.

2020-09-28 14:08

Jogue duro fique silencioso

I have only one question: who the fuck is this org and why ESIC have a right to determine the terms of bans?

2020-09-28 14:16

2020-09-28 17:35

zoneR 16 LMAO

2020-09-28 14:18

He’s the only one where I think he should get a perma. It was obvious he was giving his team info and he obv knew it was wrong for him to do it

2020-09-28 19:49

Holy Fucking Shit!! 37 Cheaters in pro CS - BAHAHAHAHA!!!

2020-09-28 14:21

ok bowser

2020-09-28 15:18

KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK GUERRI SE FUDEU

2020-09-28 14:22

CO JEST LOORD? ŁYSO CI TERAZ FRAJERZE?

Guerri being banned is the most undeserved shit ever

2020-09-28 14:35

Hmm very interesting. Ill read now.

2020-09-28 14:37

37??!!!!! my god this is awful

2020-09-28 14:42

Lol pretty soft punishments. :) 3 years for cheating as coach as a maximum penalty? Meanwhile you matchfix you get lifetime ban. :D

2020-09-28 14:43

Cya in 3 goneR

2020-09-28 15:06

FREE GUERRI HE DIDNT ABUSED IT

2020-09-28 14:56

NA clean

2020-09-28 15:01

Sad how some of you already assume that everyone on the list is guilty. There's a reason why they can still appeal

2020-09-28 15:03

At least brazil is best in banned coaches

2020-09-28 15:05

Justice for guerri!

2020-09-28 15:16

They dont deserve for rekt dont deserve except zoner hahaha 434 rounds come on man

So players who've got caught just once in their entire lives usually when they were young and stupid and who did NOT profit from the game are banned indefinitely while people who are earning well beyond what average people do are handed supsensions and will retain their coaching jobs? Wow, fooking double standards. No, it's actually a LOT worse than double standards.

2020-09-28 15:33

this was by esic not valve, just wait a bit trust me. valve is gonna drop a huge bombshell

2020-09-28 15:54

GUERRI AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA FUCKING CUNT

2020-09-28 15:34

WHO IS ESIC? GET OUUTA HERE YOU DUMB ASSES

2020-09-28 15:37

and thats a lot of damage

This is just 20% of demos checked btw. it will be more, much more

2020-09-28 15:47

HMMMMMM only EU and SA teams no wonder NA was getting clapped the other teams had wall hacks smh.

2020-09-28 15:48

Nah they only checked the tier 1 games and teams first

2020-09-28 16:18

Who's ESIC????

"Sergey "⁠starix⁠" Ischuk (1) - 10 months (0%)" Yeah, but Flusha cheats right... What a joke.

2020-09-28 15:50

Let's all remember how Valve knew of the bug for years and didn't do shit. Imagine if you're a coach at this time and you know of the bug. How can you be sure that the opponent's coach won't use it ? Worst esport game editor I swear.

I agree Valve should have done something about it, but come on, that doesn’t make it okay for coaches to abuse the bug. If they knew about it they should have made it public to TOs or the community so at least literally everyone would have known about it. Loord was the first to make it public and look how quickly it was fixed. Also that argument is bad because Valve also knows about cheating for years and everyone knows about it, but no one knows 100% if the enemy team is using cheats or not. Why is this any different? Both cheats hurt the integrity of the game.

2020-09-28 16:12

Cool story. And now uninstall this crap game.

2020-09-28 15:57

Holy fucking shit 37 coaches? They are literally going to ban 80% of coaches. It's insane. Also Loord is a guy who came up with this and he used that? That's incredible.

2020-09-28 15:58

LUL STARIX

2020-09-28 16:01

Hard Legion phahahahahahahahahahahahaha

2020-09-28 16:10

zonic is innocent, as expected #ToTheStars

2020-09-28 16:11

+1 Astralis fair play

2020-09-28 16:23

Or its covered. Cause it's VALVE.. it's danish..and currently astralis is star danish team.

2020-09-28 16:49

What part of 20% of the demos you didn't read? I hope he didn't explored the bug, there are 80% more demos to be investigated.

2020-09-28 17:09

BRAZIL #1 But honestly I feel bad for brazil fans rn

2020-09-28 16:27

Holy fuck EU, CIS and BR are cheating scums. NA is the only pure and legit region.

2020-09-28 16:32

NA coaches can't even find exploits xD

2020-09-28 16:42

Only top CS is being researched I guess :D

2020-09-28 16:54

Guys who had it for 1 round, guys who had it and reported it to valve years ago and guys who had it in a match and left their pc/muted/looked at the sky are in the same page as coaches who used to in many tournaments. This doesn't seem fair to me. Also fuck valve for allowing this to escalate when they had the info from multiple coaches reporting the bug.

So much Brazil in it lol.8 times I guess.

2020-09-28 16:48

and Denmark

2020-09-28 16:53

europeans cheating hard LUL

with BR flag you should stay quiet on this topic...

2020-09-28 16:55

who asked ? no scene should stay quiet

2020-09-28 16:59

Haha, some of these bans are too light men, literally disqualifying a tem because of cheating but just like 1 year ban, lol. Hope valve comes in hungry with these top cases with permabans because the punishments at the top of the list are definetely too lax.

2020-09-28 16:58

37 teams . top kek this proves the scene if full of cheaters and let alone matchfixers. if EISIC digs deeper you will find at least 125 teams that matchfixed and cheated even more including top tier 1 team. csgo lost its integrity love it or hate it. that's a fact you can't deny

2020-09-28 17:06

Brazil Ricardo "⁠dead⁠" Sinigaglia (5) - 6.5 months (35%) Can someone explain me how to get 35%, when there's 20,25,40 and 12.5% possible and no combination between any of them can give u a result of 35%?

2020-09-28 17:13

20% for helping and 15% cause mibr disband

2020-09-28 19:04

Helping? He denied having used the bug lmao

2020-10-05 11:19

he helped because he was the first

2020-10-06 01:26

fucking cunts talking about fair play - anmd use the bag , ban them like IBP !

2020-09-28 17:24

omegalul

KEKW

2020-09-28 17:37

B1GGY? Lmao that's 5 old French Epsilon players banned. (Fxy0, GMX, Uzzziii, Sf, B1GGY)

2020-09-28 17:49

All the talking now , my ban is fair , i deserve it etc ...in some point they are scum backs thats all.

2020-09-28 18:01

I agree 100% its total bullshit Now they all complain Buhu I pissed in my own bed , i gotta go clean it up im sorry like

2020-09-28 20:35

thats right man.

2020-09-28 21:36

That was massive. Nice job

2020-09-28 18:12

And of course under any circumstances, zonic will never be on this list

2020-09-28 18:43

Apoka:85% Confession prior to the investigation announcement - Confession accepted in full - Assistance in the investigation - nice

2020-09-28 19:02

Still no lan matches, who cares

2020-09-28 19:29

37 bans after 20% of demos. Damn. This probably will end with over 100 bans once they're done with every demo.

2020-09-28 19:50

I think it is unnecessary to give bans to anyone. This is not the use of third-party software, this is the use of the game's bugs, like Olof boosting on Overpass or Astralis and smoke/radar bug. Probably, this bug exists since the release of the game, but Valve didn't care.

2020-09-28 21:40

Russia Aleksandr "⁠zoneR⁠" Bogatiryev (16) - 36 months (0%) pretty impressive ngl KEKW

2020-09-28 22:29

Zonix g0d

2020-09-28 22:57

func_brazilian is a privilege not a right

2020-09-28 23:30

Get rekt you idiots.

2020-09-29 00:25

history is made :D

2020-09-29 00:51

True thing

2020-09-29 01:56

NA IQ... wait...

2020-09-29 01:26

The csgo scene had its pandemic too.

2020-09-29 01:58

The people cheating for one round should have a reduced sentence, the amount of coaches with 10 month bans for 1 csae is ridiculous. For coaches like Rejin, zoneR, and F_1N, throw the book at them. They knew what they were doing.

2020-09-29 02:50

Were any of these violations on lan? I was too lazy to read this entire article

2020-09-29 04:24

fucking cheaters They need a permanent ban.

2020-09-29 10:23

Ty Volvo for "Quality game" - 100500 months...

2020-09-29 10:34

For me it is outrageous that Valve was ignoring the coach bug for so long (3 years?!)? How can we know that they are not ignoring or even protecting cheating at the pro level too?

2020-09-29 10:42

+ Volvo is to blame first..

2020-09-29 11:02

The penalties mentioned .. do they include Already the reduction or is this the penalty before reductions?

2020-09-29 10:56

Yes, the number of months is post-reduction.

2020-09-29 19:20

Volvo: sv_cheats 1 Coachs: noclip Volvo: cl_coachban 1 Coachs: buy_mercedes 1 bb volvo If car is out of order, you cannot drive it ...

2020-09-29 11:12

loool lamabot

2020-09-29 11:22

Dont ban players in cs go.Dont upgrade VAC.Better BAN-trainers

2020-09-29 15:46

First Jamppi, now Twista ENCE the most crooked cs team in history? They openly accept and support cheating.. just sad

2020-09-29 16:36

You mean "First natu, then Jamppi and now Twista"

2020-09-29 20:30

Oh I forgot :DDDD He got busted cheating in 1.6 :D Thanks for reminder :D

2020-09-30 18:14

I thought pita did confess

2020-09-29 16:51

fucking cs go cheaters

2020-09-29 18:18

the damn bookmakers should return all the money stolen in the games implied by this bug

2020-09-29 18:23

player cheated at 7 years old = ban for life. coaches cheat= ??

2020-09-29 18:33

Each name should be accompanied by the name of the organization in which he used it.

2020-09-29 21:24

The amount of uses doesn't line up with the length of the bans. Can someone explain this to me?

2020-09-30 01:38

they're slapping these bans on everyone who witnessed the bug. that's pretty much esic.

2020-09-30 10:25

but u can't be sure that the coaches gave info to players or whatever they did

2020-10-05 11:25

of course not. no one is disputing this. however when you got someone like robban who is accused of using the bug for the whole match but they lost that 16-1 anyway it calls to question the validity of the ban. according to him he just muted himself for the whole match. now in hindsight we can easily say he was being stupid, if he's actually telling the truth. however i would refer to the case of ruggah at this point also. he encountered the bug for round1 of a match (he probably didnt know about it yet), but then he came to the conclusion he should disconnect.. yet he was still banned for half a year anyway!

2020-10-05 12:56

this is very sad. lets stand with the 0.1% thing because if not...

2020-09-30 16:44

pog

15months twista LUL

2020-10-01 12:27

starix retire from life

2020-10-06 10:23

"OMG CSGO IS FAIR GAME, U CANT CHEAT ON VALVE SECURE SERVERS!!!!" "PROS DONT USE HARDWARE CHEATS, YOU GUYS RETARDED" most of all pros uses cheats and farm money u dumb fucks

2020-10-06 14:56

Damn, which coach didn't use the bug? xD

2020-10-06 15:31

Tyloo coach

2020-10-06 15:34

G2 coach

2020-10-07 01:26

pogchamp

2020-10-06 18:57