ESIC Commissioner Ian Smith: "We've got factually substantiated reports on stream-sniping"

The esports watchdog group's chief says that both players and coaches were caught watching streams of matches they were playing.

The Esports Integrity Commission (ESIC) will come out with a statement on its findings from an investigation into reports of stream-sniping, the association's commissioner, Ian Smith, revealed on 'HLTV Confirmed'.

Mr. Smith spoke about the issue as a guest on the ninth episode of HLTV Confirmed, revealing that the esports watchdog received "perfectly factually substantiated" reports of members of teams watching live streams of matches they were playing, with a statement about the association's findings forthcoming.

"We found that a hell of a lot of people were on the stream [during matches], players and coaches," the ESIC Commissioner shared. "We've got something to say about that — fairly heavy stuff to say about it."

"A hell of a lot of people were on the stream," Ian Smith says

It's unclear just how many matches were affected and whether any teams or players will be sanctioned. Mr. Smith admitted that a part of the investigation relies on evidence "that is not available" and that ESIC's heavy caseload from a separate investigation into match-fixing hinders the commission's ability to open an inquiry into stream-sniping, given its current resources.

In the episode, Mr. Smith also spoke about ESIC's report of its investigation into the historical abuse of the coaching bug, which saw the commission hand out 37 bans, and about its efforts in uncovering match-fixing cases at the lower-tier level.

#1
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Finland Cucumber))
bueno
2020-09-28 18:36
Bye bye MarkE!!!
2020-09-28 18:38
#12
RUSH | 
United States ShawnM
bye dead again marke's situation was a long time ago in FPL idk if that is gonna result in a ban on professional matches since it wasnt in one also also the guy said "a hell of a lot of players and coaches" monkaS
2020-09-28 18:40
Good point, but I dislike MarkE a lot so :P And yeah, CYA DEAD LULW
2020-09-28 18:51
#76
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North America Swboy1010
What did MarkE do to you lol.
2020-09-28 20:09
FPL is for fun, and some pennies on the side. Stream-sniping in such an environment feels like an offense towards everyone, not just the team you are playing against. Cheating in pro games is easily more understandable (make money!!!), and thus acceptable from a true empathic view, even though everyone pretends the opposite.
2020-09-28 21:23
#98
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Denmark Notallama
Except cheating in a professional environment like that you not only keep others from being compensated for their work, you also financially cheat the people that have placed bets, effectively fixing the game to have a different outcome that isn't purely based on preparation and performance. For cheating in a "friendly" environment, you are simply a prick. For cheating in a professional enviromnent, you are a prick, a fraud and you hurt a lot more people directly with your actions. Your logic is absolutely bonkers.
2020-09-28 23:55
+1
2020-09-29 00:48
+1
2020-09-29 10:57
+1
2020-09-30 07:25
#137
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Estonia RopzTop1
+1
2020-10-02 04:35
they don't care how long ago it was they just want to fuck players/coaches up
2020-09-28 18:58
If you are stream sniping you deserve whatever penalty you fucking get. That's a deliberate act, which is not entirely the case with the coaching bug.
2020-09-28 19:25
+1 Stream sniping is straight up cheating, delay or no delay. Period.
2020-09-28 20:01
Yes, they want to catch cheaters and glitch abusers, how DARE THEY, SHAME SHAME !!!
2020-09-28 20:53
#138
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Estonia RopzTop1
I think cheating is fucking players/coaches up
2020-10-02 04:35
Fallen and dead 500 month ban inc
2020-09-28 19:10
#15
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Finland Cucumber))
L O L
2020-09-28 18:38
This is exactly how he sits in my memory also
2020-09-28 19:11
+1
2020-09-28 19:13
now players will be banned because they watched the stream earlier and didnt close the browser while playing
2020-09-28 18:41
For real
2020-09-28 18:44
#33
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United States thvAD
+1 very good point
2020-09-28 18:50
#39
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Portugal antCB
"and didnt close the browser while playing" no player does this, lol.
2020-09-28 18:58
how do u know ?
2020-09-28 18:59
#44
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Portugal antCB
because the vast majority aren't computer savvy and they will close all unneeded processes before playing a match or joining a server... plus they have access to more than 1 PC or other devices to watch the streams on.
2020-09-28 19:01
Haven't you checked how much memory chrome uses :p
2020-09-28 19:51
i dont think its a problem for pro players i watch loba's stream and he has it open 24/7 to quick q fpl after game
2020-09-28 19:52
Yo le noob, But having faceit open is very different from having a twitch stream running, so your point does not stand my friend.
2020-09-28 20:11
but its not running , its paused i often pause the stream if i go to the other one and forget about it, it can be opened for few hours obviously im not saying they do it all the time, but it couldve happened EASILY, thats my point
2020-09-28 20:14
But I think the pont of ESIC is that the streams weren't paused during the whole game. If the situation you describe is what would have actually happened, ESIC wouldn't have found anything wrong against it. I rather think the stream was running and there can only be one reason. Either way even if the player didn't streamsnipe he is a fckn professional, he should know leaving the Twitch page of the stream open would be suspicious. It's impossible to prove whether they cheated, but anyone who leaves the stream open should be punished.
2020-09-29 08:21
Using chrome in 2k20 topkek. Firefox ftw
2020-09-29 13:22
#113
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Slovakia Daev0n
good point
2020-09-29 05:20
#128
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United States Thorolf
Nice first comment
2020-09-29 14:23
haha thank
2020-09-29 16:01
Uiiii torille
2020-09-30 00:23
minne torille mens
2020-09-30 00:23
Cool
2020-09-28 18:36
#3
shaGuar | 
Norway h4rn
interesting
2020-09-28 18:37
Rekt them all!
2020-09-28 18:37
#5
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United States raymoney
Cool beans
2020-09-28 18:37
who cars
2020-09-28 18:37
cya mibr!
2020-09-28 18:38
MarkE monkaS
2020-09-28 18:38
#9
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Other Jmishenko
ah shit here we go again
2020-09-28 18:38
dead again lmaooo
2020-09-28 18:38
#13
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United Kingdom tr@c
Dead in tears
2020-09-28 18:38
another ban for Dead? LOL
2020-09-28 18:38
dead 100%
2020-09-28 18:38
zywoo 2nd monitor on his pov ...
2020-09-28 18:39
No ban for dead this is happening in mdl,
2020-09-28 18:39
kek
2020-09-28 18:40
#20
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Brazil KSC_TOP1
Double ban in dead
2020-09-28 18:40
cya MIBR
2020-09-28 18:41
OK
2020-09-28 18:41
dead banned again lmao why do brazilians cheat so much and then accuse innocent people of cheating?
2020-09-28 18:42
Because they live in a country where life is generally hard. This leads to their entire upbringing is filled with jealousy and envy of people who are better off. Ultimately, this translates into everything in their lives, money, competition, love etc.
2020-09-28 19:00
ok, so because of one dude all brazilans suport cheats and stuff...cool
2020-09-28 20:49
one dude??? have you checked how many BR coaches were caught? you must be joking right
2020-09-28 21:09
8 BR and 6 danes, so #42 argument still stands for denmark?
2020-09-28 21:42
kkkkkkkkkk bambi fakeflagger
2020-09-29 03:08
Nice man. Good theory about Brazilian upbringing and sociology, which has nothing to do with the headline by the way. PhD topic material... as a Brazilian with 24+ years lived in Brazil I wanted to agree with you but then we would be two people talking shit and spreading hate. Not sure why so much hate on nationalities on every HLTV post but I can assure you I am not jealous of you, in fact I’m a little sorry for you by the way you think. I don’t hate Denmark because you win everything nowadays in CS, good for you brother. If you ever come to Brazil chances are you will enjoy your time here and experience with locals. All the best and hope you reflect on this
2020-09-29 20:44
#25
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Brazil YUB8
Dead ban inc
2020-09-28 18:42
bye dead
2020-09-28 18:42
dead permaban
2020-09-28 18:42
who is permaban and why is he dead
2020-09-28 19:51
ayy lmao
2020-09-28 20:20
Well, now he is dead for real
2020-09-29 13:27
#28
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Switzerland Schwandi
bye bye dead
2020-09-28 18:43
Holy esic just chasing the clout, leave Cs alone. BTW who the hell are they?? And what dictatorship is this rn???
2020-09-28 18:45
-1
2020-09-28 19:04
#87
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Israel ALEXKEEM
+1 Fucking snitches
2020-09-28 21:03
#31
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India aR__
Nice, Brazilians don't seem to be much honest :/ the DDOS on NA teams so their team can win and this... It's just, BAD. Some years ago Brazil was the hottest region for CS, we have come a LONG WAY.
2020-09-28 18:45
India talking about cheating kkkkk
2020-09-28 19:16
Let the old times be forsaken
2020-09-28 21:20
mens))))))))))))
2020-09-29 01:38
nice
2020-09-29 05:51
this flag tho xaxaxaxa
2020-09-29 03:12
Can I make a bet how many of them are brazilian?
2020-09-28 18:48
Dont streams already have a 2 minute delay or something? How does stream sniping help?
2020-09-28 18:51
#36
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United States notawaffle
no not always, they often have small delays like 20 seconds or sometimes even no delay
2020-09-28 18:54
econ, positioning, etc. but pros should already have an excellent grasp of economy and enemy positioning, kek to those who need to snipe
2020-09-28 18:55
there are things that a coach who is watching a stream can pick up on though, like say 100T was stream sniping Furia in the final they would have known about that boost they used on vertigo before it worked as furia had used it a few times without 100T seeing it. or say a team throws the default smokes on mirage and a ct always sits in the same spot until the smokes clear, if they stream snipe they can just spam that spot in a future round because now they have information they shouldn't have.
2020-09-28 20:15
In case of new olofboost
2020-09-28 19:05
#37
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Estonia Veyles
Loba get streamsnipe
2020-09-28 18:54
I think this is the biggest scandal in the cs scene. Could be the beginning of the end. Hope not but is difficult...
2020-09-28 19:01
Beginning of the end? Nah. But it further illustrates why the online CS results are less important.
2020-09-28 19:28
ESIC is doing so much great job at clearing out the pro scene, I love those guys.
2020-09-28 19:03
Bye bye BIG clan.
2020-09-28 19:04
#49
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Netherlands p2dr
rip
2020-09-28 19:05
#50
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Portugal dracø
Might as well just kill the game already. It's shitstorm after shitstorm. Matchfixing next
2020-09-28 19:09
#72
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United States Phamous3k
Match fixing mostly NA MDL though. And let’s be honest the t2/3 pretty dead and those players transferred to Val. Unless there’s another match fixing scandal??
2020-09-28 20:04
#91
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Portugal dracø
No way it's not happening in EU as well. Those guys play the same amount of games as t1 and get paid shit / don't get paid at all. If they leave it unchecked they have no reason not to do it.
2020-09-28 21:23
#121
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United States Phamous3k
Damn, I just havent been paying attention... This could be kind of devastating on CSGO pro scene... wow.
2020-09-29 06:49
obviously happening in eu and omg definitely asia
2020-09-29 05:53
#122
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United States Phamous3k
I'm out the loop... I just watch esports and do a little betting... MAN! That's gonna be craazzyyyy
2020-09-29 06:49
I am preety sure all t2+ teams in EU region fixing matches from time to time and from t1 teams i am only sure for mousesports and complexity they know to lose maps.against nonamers.
2020-09-29 17:40
well, since almost every team was stream sniping its going to be a shitshow...
2020-09-28 19:13
#54
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Brazil Exfm
dead is gonna be... ... ... ... dead.
2020-09-28 19:13
such integrity in the csgo scene
2020-09-28 19:18
yooo dead I can hear the police
2020-09-28 19:21
this scene is a joke
2020-09-28 19:28
byebye cs:go
2020-09-28 19:34
All the people in this thread: oh no they're going to kill CSGO, just forget this happened! Those same fucking people: iBP players should be banned FOR LIFE! Ruining the integrity of this great game! Jesus.
2020-09-28 19:49
#71
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United States Phamous3k
Yeh. Pretty much.
2020-09-28 20:02
#92
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Portugal dracø
80%++ of the comments are bashing on Dead tho.
2020-09-28 21:25
+1
2020-09-29 05:53
#67
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Russia ToughGuy
Every coach watched stream but how is this stream snipe since there delay 5 min or something
2020-09-28 19:53
#74
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Lebanon Dogman69
2-3 round delay you can snipe common spots, rotations and tactics look on economy etc
2020-09-28 20:06
Ofc you can - but your enemy can as well. These esic clowns are anti-nuke as well but the nuke is what keeps the peace. Balance of power trough MAD - mutually assured destruction. It's like these esic friends have skipped class when it was about cold war.
2020-09-29 01:21
These people are really turning in to religious zealots burning whatever they deem heresy, huh? Disturbing. ESIC liking the attention that comes with destroying careers a bit too much.
2020-09-28 19:59
#73
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
+1
2020-09-28 20:05
Fuck off. If there's this much bullshit and cheating going on this game's community deserves to go down in flames. It's like no one has learned a single thing from 2015.
2020-09-28 20:08
Nah bruh, Dig deep enough the in the NBA, NFL, NHL, etc and you'll uncover some seriously scummy shit. Shit that would kill the franchise. But there's enough money going on in there so people shut up. A good example would be Saudi Arabia getting the World cup. Are the coaching bug/streaming sniping scummy moves? Yes. Should a message be sent that these things are not ok? Sure. Do I want some overzealous company to neck the entire scene over it? Nope.
2020-09-28 20:14
I'm not a fumbling idiot, I know this shit exists. My issue with it is less that it happens and more that the absolute dipshits this community spawns can't keep their opinions straight for their fucking lives. You assholes were ok with netting out indefinite bans and sitting on moral high horses about the VAC bans and match fixing years ago, but suddenly when you realize it's not resolved (and actually more rampant...) you're concerned that it's going to "ruin the scene" or that it's about "religious zealots" looking to burn a witch? You're a fucking group of hypocritical dumbfucks and it's absurd that your defense, now, is to defer to other sports indiscretions as to why it doesn't matter at this point (yet somehow it mattered 5 years ago). The scene deserves absolutely everything it gets. If people didn't learn then, they won't learn now, and all of you defending this stupidity enable the kinds of things that make integrity a mockery of its definition. If people can't keep their dicks in their pants and play it straight, the scene deserves to be necked. Same as how doping in sports should strip people of their merrits. These players have known for years what the consequences were, and even derided players, ironically, for doing the same God damned shit they have done themselves. Ridiculous.
2020-09-28 20:47
Cheating in online games will be a huge problem, until it gets punishable by law. The law is a standard most people respect a hell of a lot more than a contractual ruleset with a private company.
2020-09-28 21:31
You assholes were ok with netting out indefinite bans and sitting on moral high horses about the VAC bans and match fixing years ago, I am? Thanks for letting me know. Appearantly you know more about my opinion than I do. Same as how doping in sports should strip people of their merrits. It has happened, and it has been overlooked. These players have known for years what the consequences were, No they didn't. Olofboost wasn't punished in any way except for what Fnatic did themselves, holding something over a person that they did 3 years ago for one round, is just a witch hunt. You can have your opinion, i'll have mine, just don't project any on me.
2020-09-29 00:25
+1
2020-09-28 20:11
+1 Ofc you can stream snipe - but your enemy can as well. Balance of power trough MAD - mutually assured destruction. It's like these esic friends have skipped class when it was about cold war.
2020-09-29 01:22
#114
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Slovakia Daev0n
+1 many banned coaches and players will just leave for Valulrant now.
2020-09-29 05:32
#70
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United States Phamous3k
Damn. I mean these kind of investigations really can hurt CS reputation. Just saying... Aw well, will buy popcorn.
2020-09-28 20:02
CS esport scene is rotten from the head to the tail. Valorant will be #1 competitive FPS in 2 years because RIOT cares.
2020-09-28 21:00
They didn't have the balls to NOT introduce classes. If they hadn't done that, I would be all set for Valorant. Such a shame IMO.
2020-09-28 21:34
its made by RIOT after all, and its also appealing for casuals, a game like csgo is too hard to get into for new players and MM being garbage doesn't help
2020-09-29 01:45
#115
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Slovakia Daev0n
actually +1 I would be fine with the cartoonish graphics, but the classes are stupid
2020-09-29 05:33
+1 for Trump -1 for vaLULrant
2020-09-29 01:22
GG
2020-09-28 21:57
#97
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Pakistan LoOuU2
isnt there a delay, mostly longer delays that are one round behind ? how does this help ?
2020-09-28 22:58
Another 30 coaches banned?
2020-09-29 01:19
itll be all those BR teams as usual... there is a reason MIBR are trash now
2020-09-29 01:42
but did tournaments or valve themselves have rules on streamsniping in place beforehand? or is ESIC going to make up rules now to punish streamsnipers?
2020-09-29 01:43
#109
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Brazil de_lite
RIP MarkE
2020-09-29 02:48
there is a 1-2 round delay in great part of the streams,the only advantage is getting eco info(but great part of the coaches can track it) or seeing defaults(which can be known by studying demos or after some rounds),so there's no real advantage for stream sniping and tos don't have any rule against stream sniping,i don't think there should be a ban on this tbh,and seeing the shitty investigation and bans in coach bug(guerri and forze coach specially) i don't think esic can handle a serious investigation and only will destroy more ppls careers
2020-09-29 03:26
#117
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Slovakia Daev0n
Also RobbaN, FaZe lost that match 16-1 ffs how could he provide info to the team lmao.
2020-09-29 05:36
+1,ruggah from og got 4 months for "using" it in a pistol that they lost in 2016 lmao,this is a joke
2020-09-29 12:00
"dead denies any wrongdoing regarding watching blast match"
2020-09-29 05:35
Dead banned for additional 2 years
2020-09-29 18:54
#132
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Poland pimaZo
Wow, so many Brazilians. I knew that they are crybabies but cheaters too? Pathetic
2020-09-29 19:34
#139
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Estonia RopzTop1
Bye bye MIBR
2020-10-02 04:35
Good coach could spot some tendencies in opponent's plays which he wouldn't necessary spot in-game due to limited pov. Also somebody already mentioned Furia's boost in their match against 100T. Stream snipe shouldn't be a thing, whether stream is delayed or not, whether it gives advantage or not. And don't say it's fine because BOTH teams can do that, it's a dumb argument.
2020-10-02 04:55
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