NAVI's IEM NY match against forZe postponed as Perfecto tests positive for coronavirus

The decision was widely criticised by forZe's players, who believe that their opponents had special treatment.

Natus Vincere's IEM New York CIS Group A match against forZe has been postponed due to "a health situation", ESL has announced. The decision came shortly after NAVI player Ilya "⁠Perfecto⁠" Zalutskiy revealed that he had tested positive for the coronavirus.

NAVI and forZe were due to play on Sunday their fourth group stage match in the Regional Major Ranking (RMR) tournament, with both teams sitting level on points after winning two matches and losing one.

Perfecto tested positive for the coronavirus on Sunday

ESL has not yet announced the new date for the match. On Twitter, forZe captain Andrey "⁠Jerry⁠" Mekhryakov said that the postponement suggests preferential treatment for NAVI after Virtus.pro were forced to forfeit the first map of their recent series against K23 as the starting time clashed with a match they were playing for another tournament.

"We realised 30 minutes before the match against NAVI that it was going to be rescheduled," Jerry said. "I know about Covid-19 and Perfecto's situation and it's terrible. When it comes to NAVI, rescheduling is fine. Virtus.pro had to forfeit the first map because of a busy schedule. A ten minute delay resulted in a map forfeit. When NAVI have problems, it's okay. Rules should be the same for everyone."

forZe AWPer Bogdan "⁠xsepower⁠" Chernikov echoed his teammate's sentiments, saying that, "if it was any other team, it would be a default loss or they would have to play with a coach."

On Twitter, Ulrich Schulze. Managing Director of Pro Gaming, justified the decision to reschedule the match with "the seriousness of the disease plus the fact that there was calendar availability". He added that this is a standard procedure in other sports and that ESL "did not consider it appropriate to force a team to play in this situation."

Virtus.pro sit at the top of Group A with nine points from three matches. The top three teams from both groups will move on to the single-elimination playoffs, which will culminate in a best-of-five grand final on October 25.

Russia Ilya 'Perfecto' Zalutskiy
Ilya 'Perfecto' Zalutskiy
Age:
20
Rating 1.0:
0.99
Maps played:
392
KPR:
0.64
DPR:
0.62
APR:
0.13
Russia Andrey 'Jerry' Mekhryakov
Andrey 'Jerry' Mekhryakov
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.00
Maps played:
1056
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.14
Russia Bogdan 'xsepower' Chernikov
Bogdan 'xsepower' Chernikov
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.13
Maps played:
898
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.58
APR:
0.08
Get well soon.
2020-10-18 18:51
ESL 2 faced #justiceforforze #justiceforVP
2020-10-18 18:52
so you think that being late because you are playing another tournament is the same as player unable to play due to corona???
2020-10-18 19:07
if anything i think VP deserved a reschedule more than NaVi they are grinding and playing as many tournament as they can, while navi partying and chilling, and thats how u get corona trust, we brazilians. know..
2020-10-18 19:09
when kjaerbye was having symptoms of burnout and backpain I think it was during rmr tournament North were forced to play with their coach Jumpy and 20% points loss then if they bring back kjaerbye or any other standin they would face additional point loss
2020-10-18 19:20
burnout is different than the disease that has the world on lockdown?????
2020-10-18 22:24
Its not like he got +ve 30 mins before only and even if he is positive he aint oldy with weak immune system.he will recover fast.Since he is +ve now they should reschedule the game for next coming 2 days with perfecto gettting rested and navi with stand in playing as a fair means.
2020-10-18 23:26
#317
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Moldova shawww
you clearly didn't face corona to understand how someone feels and the lack of focus it gives, but ok.
2020-10-19 00:45
It really don't change anything.
2020-10-19 02:00
It changes everything.
2020-10-19 02:15
#346
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Finland JooonsMO
It changes nothing. If perfecto cant play they need to use standin. The reason doesnt matter at all.
2020-10-19 02:47
Reason does matter if it's something that wasnt predictable. U playing 2 tournaments was ur decision and u had full control over it. However, getting a deadly disease is totally circumstantial and unfortunate. These 2 are totally different scenarios. Navi is not at a fault if one of their guys was found covid poistive. However VP playing 2 tournaments was their choice. Point being giving a straight loss to navi or disadvantage of playing with the coach is unfair since they didnt ask for their situation!!! Unlike VP.
2020-10-19 05:56
Stop terming it as deadly disease lol its just a flu virus with high recovery rate unless you already have weak body,better focus on health first to make it strong rather than sitting on pc all the time wasting time and health.
2020-10-19 07:06
wasting time and earning + fame
2020-10-19 07:09
If you won't have health ...earning wont do shit when sth like these diseases comeup.
2020-10-19 07:11
its not life threatening ,like it will just take some days to recover and yes they focus on their health as well on the bootcamp and hes fit
2020-10-19 07:12
When thousands of people across the world are dying then it is indeed deadly until the vaccine is out.
2020-10-19 22:06
How someone feels when they catch flu? Obvs not great but like i said this disease has more problem for specific people and perfecto cant be a hollow guy from inside or wait maybe he is....Perfecto
2020-10-19 07:10
burnout is different than lockdown mens
2020-10-19 04:46
I think both is considered as medical issue? And they didnt compromise over kjaerbye's health issue they why over perfecto's? It wasn't just burnout it was backpain and chest problem I you read that article
2020-10-19 10:27
fucking unfair org. Shame on eSL
2020-10-18 19:48
Unable to play? Its online ffs! So now every team can postpone matches because they have one player who is ill. Tell that to MJ when he scored 38 points during his 44 minutes of play during the infamous flue game back in 1997. This is why e-sport never is taken seriously. Thank god for the get_rights and other players who get their shit together even though they are sick or in pain.
2020-10-18 20:02
imagine u dont play cuz of corona xdxdddxxd what a psy
2020-10-18 21:01
#446
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Brazil Fauchard
This ia not the point s1mple saúde that they prefere tô not play without perfecto só they decide tô reschedule, this ia not problema of navi off course but the organization
2020-10-19 21:51
#95
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Poland v1ctorex
Dude youre still here crying hahah
2020-10-18 19:16
Cry is free
2020-10-18 19:33
#315
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Denmark mrlolba
+1
2020-10-19 00:44
+1
2020-10-18 18:55
#3
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Iceland BuioCS
rip
2020-10-18 18:51
#4
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Hungary Karpatia
wtf
2020-10-18 18:51
s0mple is so scared of xsepower NaVi should be disqualified, justice for all!
2020-10-18 18:53
#21
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Faroe Islands ye6ok
+1 also went against the rules :D
2020-10-18 18:53
+1
2020-10-18 19:22
+1
2020-10-18 19:25
well they play again soon so lets see who is scared of who :D. forze is crying because they afraid of losing. match is just delayed not forfeited to NA'VI
2020-10-18 21:31
will you be here after they rekt forze 2-0 in next rescheduled match
2020-10-19 01:22
NOOO unluko
2020-10-18 18:51
Navi = esl's favorites
2020-10-18 18:51
No. Na'Vi = High Viewership = Cash Money for ESL
2020-10-18 20:03
+111
2020-10-18 20:06
That's how it works Same happened with godsent being replaced by finished mibr here (godsent were ahed in rankings) hltv.org/events/4939/esl-one-cologne-202..
2020-10-18 20:31
#8
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Poland Julka
Get well soon
2020-10-18 18:52
#9
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Lithuania Rock3tt
fuck forze players
2020-10-18 18:52
#88
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Germany Rip_snax_
Lul mouz fan
2020-10-18 19:12
#143
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Lithuania Rock3tt
mouz isn't the only team i support :)
2020-10-18 19:56
They’re right
2020-10-18 19:30
#333
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Lithuania Rock3tt
idk ,i think that they should give few days for perfecto to move to other house and set up his setup there.
2020-10-19 02:05
Sad for Perfecto, hopefully he recovers soon.
2020-10-18 18:52
Perfecto-19
2020-10-18 18:52
xsepower kkkkkkkk
2020-10-18 18:52
sad news mens((((((
2020-10-18 18:52
Hope you recover soon Perfecto, very good player! 🙏
2020-10-18 18:53
#18
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Denmark pdxm
get well soon
2020-10-18 18:53
#19
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Japan decyphered
is he the first csgo player with coronavirus?
2020-10-18 18:53
Seems like it. That's unlucky. Wish him well!!
2020-10-19 02:22
#20
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China HEIDASHUAi
Wish perfecto a quick recovery
2020-10-18 18:53
#23
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Denmark mohzart
LMFAO forze mad? There's a difference between irresponsibly managing your schedule and contracting a serious illness. They just want a free win LOL
2020-10-18 18:53
+1
2020-10-18 18:55
Not by the rulebook
2020-10-18 19:01
perfect0 said that he was ill for about a week... And only 35 mins before the this exact match they postpone it? So... What is "ireesponsibility" means in your opinion lmao
2020-10-18 20:14
#224
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Sweden Lagge15
According to Buster they had to forfeit map 1 due to his ESL client having issues ND he therefore missed check-in time Iow: ESL was to blame
2020-10-18 21:24
+111
2020-10-19 02:23
#24
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Ukraine McSwell
Get well Illya, good decision that match was postponed, so both teams can probably play their normal rosters on Monday.
2020-10-18 18:54
and what if he will feel even worse :S
2020-10-18 18:55
#176
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Argentina Joedash
ESL too biased. It would have been a good decision if both teams had talked about this days before instead of getting a notification 30 mins before the game that it will get postponed even without reaching or even talking with the opposite team(ForZe)
2020-10-18 20:26
Perfecto got his test, tonight. Don't remember correct time, can check Twitter
2020-10-18 22:03
#269
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Argentina Joedash
I know, yet they decided to notify without both teams talking about this, that the game would get re-scheduled? Is really unfair and with this, na'vi should have played with the coach or surrendered the match.
2020-10-18 22:51
Being sick from a deadly virus=being late because you do alot of games Not the same
2020-10-18 18:54
Exactly
2020-10-19 02:27
WTF WHY NO FREE WIN??
2020-10-18 18:54
mb give already free major spot? why not xd
2020-10-18 19:13
and then people say ESL no scripted ?
2020-10-18 18:54
Perfecto D:
2020-10-18 18:54
Hope he recovers soon!
2020-10-18 18:54
Yikes
2020-10-18 18:54
this is police brutality.
2020-10-18 18:55
stop being racist
2020-10-19 00:22
get well soon perfecto
2020-10-18 18:55
-rep navi
2020-10-18 18:55
I mean it's not ESL's fault that Virtus Pro decided that it would be a good idea to be in 2 tournaments at the same time is it?????
2020-10-18 18:55
bro.. ESL is just scumbag org, this tournament is major qualifier, they have to play it, but ESL doing ESL things screwing them over because they were 5 minutes late from a flashpoint qualifier LUL competition while hosting a major tournament ? really...
2020-10-18 18:58
dude everyone knows for ages that ESL doesn't reschedule their games unless there's a really good explanation to why you can't play If Virtus Pro goes and says "hey can we reschedule our game because we are playing the closed qualifier of another tournament?" That's not an excuse, that's just poor management from the Virtus Pro team for being in 2 tournaments at the same time when they know really well that they had games for ESL, almost everyday of the week. if it was like that every team would be participating in all the tournaments and then telling other Organizers to reschedule their games because they're playing another tournament at that time. Now i don't know if it was just what happened to Winstrike, with their game against sAw, that they had to forfeit to play the ESL game. But if it was as sAw's manager said on Twitter, Winstrike had the possibility to reschedule their Flashpoint game for earlier but they didn't wanted to, so they forfeited. In VP's case I don't know if they tried to reschedule their game with Endpoint for an hour before or anything, but Endpoint are form the UK, and I don't know if all their players are in the UK or not, but that game already started at 10am in UK's timezone, which might be early for them, and if they declined any offer to reschedule the game or not. But that's still all Virtus Pro fault for playing 2 tournaments at the same time. And this is about someone's life at risk and not because Na'Vi were playing another tournament before.. This is not Na'Vi's fault while the VP situation was VP's fault and not ESL's
2020-10-18 19:39
Winstrike game was overlapping VP's game wasnt, it lasted too long, tech pauses and 3 maps, and they were only 5 minutes late
2020-10-18 19:38
I already said it "But that's still all Virtus Pro fault for playing 2 tournaments at the same time."
2020-10-18 19:50
#180
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Argentina Joedash
Technically it's na'vi and ESL's fault
2020-10-18 20:29
NaVi fault that Perfecto got c-19? Really?
2020-10-18 22:06
#270
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Argentina Joedash
Na'vi's fault for not reaching out to forze and just tell ESL "pls, re-schedule". And ESL for breakin the rules they made. Edit: Na'vi is supposed and SHOULD HAVE talked with forze org about this, they could have reached a deal and even if the results were the same, this wouldnt look as shady as it looks like.
2020-10-18 22:53
#274
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Argentina Joedash
ESL literally broke a rule, and as an excuse they literally said "We UseD tHE sAMe RuLEs that SPorTs UsE, WHaT iS WroNG wiTh ThAt", pure bs whether you want to admit it or not...
2020-10-18 22:59
#263
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
2020-10-18 22:48
#273
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Argentina Joedash
2020-10-18 22:57
+1 idk why people are even blaming navi for this. Like if they were supposed to know the future of one of their players. Smh what's wrong with this toxic @$$ community. It's the worst ngl.
2020-10-19 02:30
did this happen in the middle of the game ?
2020-10-18 18:55
No,its happened in 30 mins before game start
2020-10-18 19:03
Oh shit guys pause the game I think I have covid! [NAVI Technical Pause]
2020-10-18 20:50
lmao
2020-10-18 22:07
#275
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Argentina Joedash
Well, na'vi would be capable of doing so. In a match with faze(it was a long time ago tho), faze won a round but it resulted that na'vi was asking for a pause and they didnt get it, so the round won got resetted and obviously, na'vi didnt use the same strat and finished winning the round(it was going to be like 15-12 or something like that if faze had won the round).
2020-10-18 23:01
rip
2020-10-18 18:56
hahahahahahha
2020-10-18 19:44
If only Perfecto had the physical fitness of Xizt so that he could be immune to Covid
2020-10-18 18:56
#264
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
yeah, like bolsonaro with the sportest body
2020-10-18 22:49
#41
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India aR__
Get well soon. But ESL biased.
2020-10-18 18:57
Isnt it online? just play doooddddddddddd
2020-10-18 18:56
he isn't feeling well and need rest , tf you talking about ?
2020-10-18 19:11
#182
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Argentina Joedash
Then tell the other team that the game will be postponed the day perfecto said he had covid, not 30 mins before game started. Esl biased and navi pretty dogshait move.
2020-10-18 20:30
Yes, agree about saying faster. But Perfecto got his test today, before match. Don't remember correctly time
2020-10-18 22:08
#271
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Argentina Joedash
Surely it was way before 30 mins, im pretty much sure that na'vi and forze would have been able to reach a deal in no more than 1 hour.
2020-10-18 22:54
yeah but still they have to be in the team house. see when navi plays boom4, flamie and perfecto are always together so to avoid other players getting covid they postponed
2020-10-19 04:25
hope he can recover fast
2020-10-18 18:56
getwellsoon perfecto , damn corona virus ruined everything .
2020-10-18 18:57
Get well soon....
2020-10-18 18:57
sad day FeelsBadMan
2020-10-18 18:58
#51
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Israel BIG_SMOKER
XAXAXXAXAXA TOO MUCH PARTYING TILL 7 AM
2020-10-18 18:58
stay safe and healthy mens[[[[
2020-10-18 18:58
#53
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Poland Recruitn1
Get well soon Perfecto
2020-10-18 18:58
2 faced IEM. If it was other team than Navi - ez tech lose
2020-10-18 18:59
get well asap
2020-10-18 19:00
Jerry and xse dunno how bad PR they do. They really don't understand the difference by a time issue that was VP own fault and Covid infection. Perfecto was tested positive but that also means the whole NAVI stuff needs to make tests and luckily no one else is infected or in worst case all... Really I can't believe that an IGL like jerry can be so stupid to don't see the difference here. A triple Facepalm isn't enough for his stupidity.
2020-10-18 19:01
#74
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Kazakhstan DanabekAlt
rules suppose to equalize all or no one :) there is some special treatment to one of the most popular Esports brand as they giving ESL viewers, money from ads etc as i know Forze has same issue with Jerry getting swine flu few years ago and ECS force them to play with Jerry or TL
2020-10-18 19:08
The rule says also that TOs have the last word. The rules say also nothing about covid issues. Perfecto is the first case, so Jerry assumption can't be proven cuz we have no experience with such a case. So jerry compare two different things and make an assumption that can't be proven by past incidents cuz it never happened before. --> Jerry act very stupid
2020-10-18 19:14
#104
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Russia Orotimaru
The rules say also that ESL need to ask ForZe about their agreement, but they didnt
2020-10-18 19:22
I doubt ESL need the permission from Forze to decide at a medical issue.
2020-10-18 19:24
#111
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Russia Orotimaru
From their rulebook: 2.15.1 Punctuality All matches in the Intel Extreme Masters should start as stated on the website, any changes in the time must be accepted by the opposing party and administrators (if rescheduling is generally possible). All participants in a match should be on the server and ready to go at the latest 10 minutes before the match is to start.
2020-10-18 19:27
So when a player dies during a match ESL has to ask the mighty ForZe "can we postponed the match yes plz? Sure sounds legit for -200IQ
2020-10-18 19:28
#158
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Russia Orotimaru
Rules must be same for all, if it saying that they need to ask for agreement, they must do it. Thats my point.
2020-10-18 20:12
at the next covid case ESL will do the same. You can't say rules unequal when it is the first time a covid case happens.
2020-10-18 20:13
#185
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Argentina Joedash
Perfecto said a week ago that he had covid, and ESL decided 30 mins before The most important game of the group stage that the game will be postponed. Stop defending mate, I think u have -200IQ.
2020-10-18 20:33
Perfecto had the test result today how he can say he had it a week ago??
2020-10-18 20:40
Check you information or read carefully. He feels sick for week, and and yesterday he goes for test and tast comes today, befor the match
2020-10-18 22:11
#265
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Argentina Joedash
My bad. But it is still the ESL and navi's fault, i mean, i know health >>> A match. But ESL broke one of their rules and put excuses all over the world, and is pure bs, they didnt talk with forze org about this, not even a day before the match.
2020-10-18 22:49
Its not navi fault. But i agree, ESL is a lil bit biased.
2020-10-19 05:50
#436
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Argentina Joedash
After what simple said now we know it's ESL blame.
2020-10-19 14:57
+1 they think VP and Na'Vi situation is identical imao xd
2020-10-18 19:08
#186
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Argentina Joedash
#185 , think before defending the shitty org decisions.
2020-10-18 20:34
He said he wasn't feeling well and today he got diagnosed with covid. But anyway, what ForZe really lose from this again?? They will just play it later that's it imao. Na'Vi on the other hand lose their points if the coach gonna play and it's almost certain lose
2020-10-18 20:40
#272
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Argentina Joedash
Forze players train and analyze the plays of a team, they could have wasted their time in a different thing than waiting hours to play against a tier 1 team just to know 30 mins before the game starts that they wont be playing cause a player is sick. Perfecto got diagnosed today, okay, then why didnt na'vi and forze reached a deal? The importance here is not what na'vi or forze lost, but how biased ESL is, and how na'vi's decisions were unfair.
2020-10-18 22:57
#59
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Kazakhstan DanabekAlt
i like perfecto and hope he'll get well soon BUT fuck Navi and Fuck ESL
2020-10-18 19:00
Team checks out
2020-10-18 19:46
#141
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Slovakia Daev0n
That's Avangar, stupid.
2020-10-18 19:52
That Avangar is the same team that converted into VP stupid.
2020-10-18 19:56
i liked the roster with Ramzik so its not curent vp line up
2020-10-18 21:11
#228
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Slovakia Daev0n
I thought you meant that Forze roster was before Avangar. My apologies.
2020-10-18 21:36
Its cool man. We good.
2020-10-18 22:11
#61
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Pakistan LoOuU2
I am not mad or disgusted because the match got postponed, I ain't even supporting some of the accusations by Forze players on Twitter, but when ESL themselves refuse to follow their own rulebook and take a decision on their own rather than consulting with the opposing team as it states in the rules, I call it bullshit. One can argue that Forze players themselves would have willingly rescheduled if ESL explained the situation to them. Hope Perfecto recovers soon!
2020-10-18 19:01
#133
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Slovakia Daev0n
+1
2020-10-18 19:46
get well!!!
2020-10-18 19:02
Imagine caring about cOVERRATEDronavirus lulw
2020-10-18 19:02
Typical ruski idiot
2020-10-18 20:06
I mean in global,not about this situation
2020-10-18 20:18
Nu tut sogl
2020-10-18 21:01
#66
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Indonesia Journeast
How come? Aren't they at the same boothcamp what? Speedy recovery, Perfecto!
2020-10-18 19:03
i think boombl4, flamie and perfecto were in the same bootcamp.
2020-10-18 19:05
No, after pro league they go home. They are home almost 2 weeks
2020-10-18 22:14
I don't think that they are giving na'vi preferential treatment. They forced VP to forfeit 1 map because they were playing in another tourney by another organizer, while Na'Vi's got a player with the corona virus, if ESL says "fuck u no, ur gonna play" imagine the backlash they'd get. It's fine if u make them forfeit a map because of another tournament in the public's eyes but not because a player's sick. It's a lose lose situation for ESL.
2020-10-18 19:04
its funny ESL brings their competition with FLASHPOINT to RMR Valve tournament >_<
2020-10-18 19:08
I mean they probably have sth in their ToS about being late and how stuff gets postponed, probably sth about health and stuff. Not sure tho.
2020-10-18 19:09
Esl is full of bullshit as always.
2020-10-18 19:04
I support Forze in this, just play with coach no need for VIP treatment
2020-10-18 19:06
who r u ?indian fool
2020-10-19 07:07
Who are you ruski property
2020-10-19 07:38
This is fucked up ESL Equality should be maintained
2020-10-18 19:09
glad to see u change ur mind !
2020-10-18 19:09
i am always towards a healthy and amazing CS i dont want to see this type of stuff even if its the team i cheer for ;)
2020-10-19 07:19
#84
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Russia Tank0v
+1
2020-10-18 19:11
#385
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Europe AlL1n
It's just stupid. All Cs go has gone to online becose of covid and its so unbeliveble for you thay postponed match for same reason.
2020-10-19 08:21
rip
2020-10-18 19:09
#82
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Bulgaria goshyy
Get well soon Perfecto!
2020-10-18 19:10
expected from snakeIEM... if they lost Navi nobody would watch
2020-10-18 19:11
SHAME for ESL adn Na'Vi!
2020-10-18 19:11
When it comes to coaching bug, it's fine to use it
2020-10-18 19:11
#89
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Germany BIG2020
monkaW
2020-10-18 19:12
2faced ESL clowns
2020-10-18 19:15
#93
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Russia HikZ
2 faced esl
2020-10-18 19:15
#94
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Europe t.o.p
GL Perfecto
2020-10-18 19:15
#96
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Latvia YungPan666
ESL worst
2020-10-18 19:17
Hes gona get fuckes in nose
2020-10-18 19:17
#98
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Panama Bill_Bait
Navi so damn bad they pull all cards to avoid being humiliated like yesterday by a worse team
2020-10-18 19:17
he has been sick for a week, why postponed 30 min before the match? shame
2020-10-18 19:18
You read something or just comment? He feels sick, yes. But he make test yesterday and today he got answer about positive c19
2020-10-18 22:16
#102
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Germany I_car
Didn't boombl4 say he could have covid?
2020-10-18 19:20
Yes and later he tweeted that it's negative
2020-10-18 19:57
Why not just play with coach? Does Perfecto not have corona in 2 days?
2020-10-18 19:21
Because they lost 40% of the points.
2020-10-19 11:27
So what? North played with coach when Kjaerbye was sick, Astralis is playing with es3tag because xyp is sick. Why is Navi getting special treatment?
2020-10-19 16:27
Because is Covid and Covid is special treatment in the entire world. Covid = God :D
2020-10-19 20:24
#106
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Belarus jugadorJJ
So what's the problem? Is he dying or smth like that? Hard to play with coach or perfecto will be fine in 2 days? So sick ESL! SO SICK!
2020-10-18 19:22
#107
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Argentina ReacC
Not so Perfecto
2020-10-18 19:23
Get well. Also, pathetic double standards by esl
2020-10-18 19:27
#112
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Poland Mizuchi
All about the numbers baby. They know Na'Vi bring in numbers and cancelling one of their matches would mean a loss.
2020-10-18 19:27
Seems like they're just upset they didn't get a forfeited win... pathetic really.
2020-10-18 19:30
Tier5 bots cry is free
2020-10-18 19:30
#117
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Turkey RumpLe73
Winning should not be come before health or humanity.I think forze players disrespect navi and perfecto.This is health.This is not other thing this is health.
2020-10-18 19:31
NaVi disrespectes forZe first, by simply not letting them know about the issue, didnt ask forZe anything in that case, but rules say that if one side doesnt agree to reschedule the other is forced to forfeit, but the thing here is that NaVi feel like they are far more superior than forZe as an org and a name, and that forZe are nobodies to them, thats why they contact only ESL, forZe are mad because everything was decided without their opinion, they were given a fact that match will be rescheduled. forZe said they would agree to reschedule the game, they are just really mad that everything was decided without them
2020-10-18 19:41
from IEM rulebook If a participant is not ready to play until 15 minutes after the scheduled start of the match, he is considered a noshow. In that case, the participant will be penalized, and the MATCH WILL HAVE TO BE RESCHEDULED, IF THE SCHEDULE ALLOWS IT. Otherwise, the opponent will receive a default win from the administration. Virtus.pro vs K23 match was different on that way because virtus.pro wanted to play that match BY THEM SELF! They didnt want to even try to reschedule it. Virtus.pro didnt show up in time so K23 got 1map advantage.
2020-10-18 19:35
lmao, so they just assume the rules and type out the rules in their mind to say that ESL was breaking rules.
2020-10-19 09:30
#121
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Hungary szia
Expected from Russia
2020-10-18 19:36
Forze players would cry like babies if someone from them would get covid, where is the common respect between competitors? Always complaining instead of being at least a little bit supportive. I hope perfecto gets well soon, such as any other human who got infected by the virus.
2020-10-18 19:37
Becouse forze is understand they dont have chanse to win VS navi only if navi get tech loose and this will not help to get in to major for this tier5 team so left only cry in all soc media
2020-10-18 19:38
"ESL has not yet announced the new date for the match." Didn't the tweet say Oct 20th?
2020-10-18 19:40
if a player gets sick, its their responsibility, covid or anything else. they get paid enough to take care of themselves, and the sooner they start looking at it as a job, the better.
2020-10-18 19:42
Shame on ESL why they didn’t give tech lose?
2020-10-18 19:42
#135
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Estonia qoznyyy
imagine the angry simple fans, theres like millions of them
2020-10-18 19:47
because this might give forze a chance to advance over navi in the playoffs, and trillions and quadrillions of navi fans will give esl mad tweets
2020-10-18 20:19
why would they?
2020-10-18 22:02
Jerry is total retard,all I can say
2020-10-18 19:49
#217
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Serbia LtN))
+1
2020-10-18 21:08
+1
2020-10-18 22:07
#387
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Europe AlL1n
Moron absolute human garbege.
2020-10-19 08:25
#140
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Slovakia Daev0n
GL Perfecto in your 2 day fast covid recovery. I hope you'll get the same special treatment that Trump got. Otherwise I've no idea why would they reschedule it.
2020-10-18 19:51
#168
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Russia ToughGuy
Russian vaccine 👌😄
2020-10-18 20:20
Hope you get better mr pefecto
2020-10-18 19:56
#146
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Portugal Cy4b3ard
Only because he has covid he can´t play? Bullshit on that, i wish him a speedy recovery but they should play either way if they are all on their own homes, if they are on bootcamp then delay the match otherwise they should have played
2020-10-18 20:02
i think they bootcamp
2020-10-19 04:59
defecto
2020-10-18 20:03
People thinking getting late to a tournament is the same as having a player with corona, pls recheck your standards. Get well soon Perfecto.
2020-10-18 20:03
Jerry, I hope you wont have to go through what Perfecto is going thruough healthwise, and please dont try to compare a serious health condition as an excuse versus non-health condition that vp had. This is not the same.
2020-10-18 20:06
#388
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Europe AlL1n
Exactly Russians have saying for it ne sravnivai hui s palkoi.
2020-10-19 08:28
Really sad, wish the best for Perfecto, Jerry's point is good tho.
2020-10-18 20:10
RIP
2020-10-18 20:13
idk why i laughed when i read that title lmao. get well soon perfecto
2020-10-18 20:15
Flamie and Boombl4 are at bootcamp with perfecto, people saying coach should play instead are dumb. Coach is also there with them. All of the people there need to get tested.
2020-10-18 20:17
#420
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Ukraine StX4R
all of them play at home for a week
2020-10-19 12:28
its true though, and they deserve it for being a good team in general. maybe don't be so inconsistent and throw half your online games, and you'll get some preferential treatment when you become a good team, forze.
2020-10-18 20:18
disgraceful from forze players trying to compare this situation to the one with K23
2020-10-18 20:21
Check navi's youtube and instagrams. if they dont care about COVID, so why its the serious reason to postone? its a PLAYERS OR NAVI troubles. If VP has a game in same time, why its VP TROUBLES, not organizations of tournamens trouble? Christiano Ronaldo has COVID, but other Juventuss players dont, its troubles of CR7 or not?))) ofc him, and imagine, Champions League match Dynamo K - Juventus will postone, cuz of COVID of on of the players))) its a shit. GTFO
2020-10-18 20:23
i am bad in english, sorry, but i try to explaine my thoughts
2020-10-18 20:29
Good one
2020-10-18 21:56
ESL "TwoFaced" Toledo
2020-10-18 20:25
2020-10-18 20:48
FalleN thinks this is too many excuses
2020-10-18 20:26
Hopefully he gets well soon. But would any other team (not tier 1 ofc) allowed to reschedule instead of playing with coach? Isn't the whole reason teams have the play with coach rule because of situations like this? Anyone know previous matches where they have reschedule or in cases where they had to play with coach?
2020-10-18 20:29
Omg he will die!!!11111111111111elf
2020-10-18 20:30
ez 4 perfectovid-19, he will recover soon
2020-10-18 20:34
lol 4ze crying xaxax
2020-10-18 20:35
get well sooner godfecto
2020-10-18 20:38
default navi nothing fucking new dunno why TO's are afraid to enforce their rules
2020-10-18 20:39
GuardiaN's back.
2020-10-18 20:43
lol hope he gets back soon
2020-10-18 20:45
So Forze says: NaVi should forfeit map because they have a player with covid. :D
2020-10-18 20:47
Get better soon bro.
2020-10-18 20:49
It's because of Covid-19 they feel you have to be so political correct. I guess this shoots down the need for a 6th player. Get well soon Perfecto.
2020-10-18 20:51
ESL 2 faced tech lose? NO play with coach? NO change dates? YEEES
2020-10-18 20:54
forze fans mad lol. navi is going to destroy these botz anyways
2020-10-18 20:56
#206
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Australia popoto
+ seized
2020-10-18 20:57
Morons , even Donald trump had to cancel his campaign events due to COVID-19! The other 4 players and the management need to be tested immediately . Once confirmed , they will need to follow certain procedures to avoid spreading the virus to others .
2020-10-18 20:59
+1 forze = cringe or just 20iq guys
2020-10-18 23:56
Perfecto overused Tinder, sad that pros dont have strong enough work ethics... i mean, he's on that age but he has a responsability to the team and the fans. and that's why s1mple doesn't have a major yet, basically
2020-10-18 21:00
#212
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Japan Inlivino
what a bullshit.
2020-10-18 21:02
#216
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Serbia LtN))
So that means that whole NaVi team excluding s1mple and elec can be infected. Very Sad. Forze players wouldn't be like that if they had that 'treatment' lol
2020-10-18 21:06
KARMA :)
2020-10-18 21:10
rip
2020-10-18 21:20
#223
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United States xiquo
rip
2020-10-18 21:21
#225
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Sweden Lagge15
This has to become a prejudice to force TOs to have this as an appendix to the rules ASAP
2020-10-18 21:29
OK
2020-10-18 21:30
#229
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African Union mikecool
whoa corona be damned man, rest up and hopefully he'll have a speedy recovery! :)
2020-10-18 21:37
ForZe rotten team
2020-10-18 21:40
+1 mad and salty rats
2020-10-18 23:55
#231
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Russia mshkoda
Get better soon, Ilya
2020-10-18 21:52
bye bye perfectos life
2020-10-18 21:52
Jerry is a braindead. I hope he will have Corona to understand things better.
2020-10-18 22:06
#246
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Denmark cNap__
Man, it should not be this much problem. There is a fairy play term in every sport. Forze players became so toxic which is I do not really know why. It just shows how much they are afraid of Navi and tells they should play with coach or player from Navi junior. Just sit the f**king down and wait for the postponed gamed, toxics.
2020-10-18 22:12
+1
2020-10-18 22:44
Didn't care about forze before but now I'm official hater of this trash org
2020-10-18 22:17
+1
2020-10-19 13:16
fake disease, I know for a fact that one woman sent 10 tests of her alleged employees, but in fact, it was her own blood in all 10 tests 3 of them were positive, 7 negative its a huge lie guys
2020-10-18 22:19
Can u maybe send me a link of this in English. I would like to hear more about that sir 😊
2020-10-18 22:36
its a story from my neighbourhood, it's not in press I guess I know it from 1st source
2020-10-18 23:05
Aaarh okay.. But i wouldnt be surprised if it was true
2020-10-18 23:23
health PERFECTO but it's against the rules
2020-10-18 22:25
#254
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Saudi Arabia Xpicyy
Get well Godfectro <3
2020-10-18 22:27
How is he positive? He's been wearing masks and staying indoors, lmao
2020-10-18 22:29
if im correct, boombl4 has covid aswell. maybe they hang with each other, or in the same house? idk
2020-10-18 22:42
Boombl4, Perfecto, Flamie and Bl4de are in the same house. S1mple is in his home and Electronic is back in Russia. Boombl4 tested negative, but I'm won't be surprised if he had light symptoms and he got tested after he was healthy, but ended up passing it to Perfecto. Idk, these guys are all at the same place, so it's hard to tell.
2020-10-18 23:04
Get well soon Perfecto
2020-10-18 22:31
He now goes under the name Defecto. Jokes aside. Hopefully he will be back soon. Corona is not worse than getting a flu
2020-10-18 22:34
0/8 google the term "bilateral pneumonia"
2020-10-18 22:43
I see what u mean with the sideeffects. But i meant how many people that dies from it. Then flu is alot worse.
2020-10-18 23:28
#259
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Russia NOD777
Vp playing official match = punishment Navi died = postopen. Forze def win
2020-10-18 22:39
you are probably the same 20iq as Jerry if you cannot understand the difference in this situations and the rules #RussianBrain
2020-10-18 23:08
#280
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Russia NOD777
Navi are esl partners. You aren’t smarter than #russianbrain
2020-10-18 23:15
So what? They are their partners. And? There was NOTHING unfair from NAVI's side. ESL postponed this match way too late, yes. But rules say that ESL have last word in such situations. And Perfecto got Corona, this is for sure extra-situation so ESL did everything right. Anyway the last word must be by ESL. #RussianBrainLUL
2020-10-18 23:23
#288
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Russia NOD777
So don’t you see double standards here? Vp late for less than 20 min and def win. Navi late for 40 min - nothing. Esl spoken two different words on the same situation and you are cool with it. It good that you are hiding your flag because that stupidity should be punished
2020-10-18 23:29
Are you really that stupid? NAVI said about this situation in time, not 40 mins before the match. Learn the situation before you talk something.
2020-10-18 23:29
WTF NAVI LATE 40 MINS LOLL. TYPICAL RUSKI SPREADING LIES
2020-10-19 07:27
Not so perfect anymore eh?
2020-10-18 22:50
get well soon perfecto. But such an unfair decision from ESL
2020-10-18 22:51
Horrible news and I hope he gets better soon. Navi should have been forced to play with their coach however.
2020-10-18 23:23
Get well soon Perfecto! Sad that people care more about a match than a players well being. Smh
2020-10-18 23:28
siktirin die dogs
2020-10-18 23:34
Well looks like Guardian might return, if they have to play with a stand-in it's better to bring in Guardian instead of playing with coach. Match is postponed by what like 2 days? He isn't going to recover that fast. Get well soon Prefecto.
2020-10-18 23:35
DQ for Navi is the only solution
2020-10-18 23:38
no, better DQ forze for unsportsmanship.
2020-10-19 01:18
#293
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North America Straf3R
Don't play multiple tournaments of there is a chance of conflicting schedules, simple as that. Perfecto getting covid is something actually worthy of a postponment as opposed to poor time and schedule management.
2020-10-18 23:52
+1 FORZE are in deep shit with their behavior. Especially Jerry and sxepower.
2020-10-18 23:55
Navi haters so whant that navi get loose and they shit tier9999 teams like forze get free points but cry is free.
2020-10-19 00:00
Esl must life ban this forze bots for this cry then they kids fans can create milion treths and cry more how esl bad
2020-10-19 00:04
+1 broken English but I agree
2020-10-19 00:08
Jerry and Xsepower are both not true men and they are not (cyber)sportsmen for sure. Womanish behavior from both. Comparing incomparable situations, blaming NAVI for no reason, blaming ESL for good decision.
2020-10-19 00:12
even women arent that petty more like stereotypical spoiled rich girls
2020-10-19 00:28
+1
2020-10-19 00:42
imagine someone’s life is actually at risk and you go on twitter saying this shit, comparing navi to virtus.pro who are in 2 qualifiers instead
2020-10-19 01:10
+1 true, they probably cannot understand this situation properly. or just stupid.
2020-10-19 01:16
get well soon
2020-10-19 00:14
ForZe are so salty about Na`Vi. such envious people like XSE and Jerry are real weirdoes.
2020-10-19 00:15
#305
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Brazil oldStar
F
2020-10-19 00:16
If it were another team (tier 1,5+) and another illness, esl would give TL with no doubt. Btw they could play with Perfecto without losing any RMR points, if they lost, they could part ways with playoffs, but even Blad3 said that they would skip this tournament or something like that. Na’Vi’s problem, no sense in s1mple’s opinion
2020-10-19 00:30
> Russians > humanity pick one. I bet if forZe's player would be ill with Coronavirus, NAVI would just wish him all the best and stay calm. But little dogs like forZe are always barking on big names like NAVI. just for hype. And btw NAVI told about this situation in time, unlike VP who were just late on their match.
2020-10-19 00:39
ForZe are angry, because they weren’t warned about this before. They lost the whole day, because Na’Vi wouldn’t like to play. Wtf is this? They must play, but Na’Vi is Esl partner, so ESL want to have a show. TL isn’t an option for ESL, coach isn’t an option for Na’Vi, reschedule isn’t an option for ForZe. ForZe is less popular, => nobody asks. Money rules the world
2020-10-19 08:24
check #413 the guy explained it very well for people like you and other "forze members".
2020-10-19 12:24
He said nothing new and interesting 1) WTF is this? 10 minutes delay can be a technical issue, so ESL were very cruel. But said to Na’Vi “of course, postpone” 2) At least one hour before... it’s too late, do you know? The day has already been thrown away, they should have warned at least 5 hours before (10 a.m. msk). 3) A little bit late? 30 minutes before the game, come on. They didn’t even ask ForZe, they said that it had been postponed. Okay, it’s coronavirus, so what? Something will hardly ever change 2 days after, also Perfecto had played 3 games, so what’s the problem? If it were flu, I think, nothing would change 4) What would change if Na’Vi checked other people after the game? Nothing, 0iq argument 5) I am telling you again - ForZe are angry, because they weren’t warned about this before. They lost the whole day, because Na’Vi wouldn’t like to play. Wtf is this? They must play, but Na’Vi is Esl partner, so ESL want to have a show. TL isn’t an option for ESL, coach isn’t an option for Na’Vi, reschedule isn’t an option for ForZe. ForZe is less popular, => nobody asks. Money rules the world That guy didn’t even think, when he was writing. 5th isn’t even an argument, others are nonsensical, weird and narrow-minded
2020-10-19 14:40
2020-10-19 00:31
as one smart man said: he just "razyebal bomjei"
2020-10-19 00:40
GuardiaN herni ne skazhet)
2020-10-19 10:52
The problem is that this is RMR event. If NaVi takes a sub for Perfecto, 20% points will be taken off, and when Perfecto comes back, another 20% will be taken off. It's not the same situation as VP before.
2020-10-19 00:32
check liTTle's twitter LOL he probably cannot understand what CORONA is. he cannot understand that NAVI staff must check other players instead of playing this match with substitute. forZe are pathetic as their players in this situation.
2020-10-19 00:46
wow it seems like FORZE org has 200 iq (i mean 200 iq on 20 persons of their org, including their staff) Jerry, Xsepower and LiTTle seems to be extremely stupid if they cannot understand that NAVI must check all people who were around Perfect on COVID-19.
2020-10-19 00:53
he doesnt understand the difference between their other games and a health problem. what are u talking about, a lot of morons cant understand these differences. he has nothing against but writes a post, :) gtfo jerry
2020-10-19 02:32
+1 it seems like this braindead Jerry has something personal against NAVI. He is always mad on them. They probably didn't invite him to clean their floor so he is salty about it.
2020-10-19 12:21
Wtf rip
2020-10-19 00:58
lol forZe are typical ruski assholes. can they think with their brain? positive covid test means that NAVI must check all players and do a lot of other work. plus NAVI told about this situation to ESL in time. ESL made proper decision to postpone this match, because this is unusual situation and NAVI players cannot play now. liTTle, jerry and xsepower are really dumb.
2020-10-19 01:15
#348
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Kazakhstan Massaget
It's not about playing a game or not, but about respect and following rules. Navi contacted only ESL, and ESL immediately rescheduled the game, BUT by rules they can only reschedule after forze agree with it. Forze said that if navi contacted them, and respectively asked for reschedule they would've agree, but everything happened without participating forze in decision. It's kinda disrespect you know. Moreover players know each other, they even could've message on vk)
2020-10-19 04:05
Bullshit. NAVI contacted ESL in time and told about this situation. It is f*cking Coronavirus. So it is dangerous for all NAVI players and staff who were near to Perfecto. For sure it is an extra situation and ESL did very smart decision by postponing this match. Some things may not be wrote in the rules, but they are objectively fair. ForZe just overreact for no reason and act like dickheads. I guess if the same situation with Coronavirus happened to one of Forze players, NAVI would just wish them all the best and say "ok". But not forZe, forZe is a little barking dog who wants to bark on Elephan (NAVI). It looks so pathetic.
2020-10-19 08:44
Respect NAVI Respect ESL All the best for Perfecto Shame on noobs from Forze
2020-10-19 01:17
+1
2020-10-19 07:11
+1 stupid forZe players, fans and staff
2020-10-19 07:39
FeelsBadMan
2020-10-19 01:37
Rip perfecto + frozen
2020-10-19 01:56
The difference from esl’s perspective is that Navi has a player that fell ill, and vp had a match in another tournament that they thought was more important than esl, not mentioning that it directly competes for viewership with esl
2020-10-19 02:05
OMG , coroNaVIrus is real
2020-10-19 03:24
only him when they are sitting together in the gaming house as seen in the stream??
2020-10-19 05:33
whores, clubs, cocaine?
2020-10-19 06:46
Rip
2020-10-19 07:15
too much iQ on HLTV :P
2020-10-19 07:20
m0nesy as a stand in?
2020-10-19 07:28
everyone knows that VP > Navi. but yet Navi got the privilege.
2020-10-19 07:29
hltv.org/ranking/teams/2020/october/12 Everyone knows that NAVI is always top team (currently #3), and VP is trash garbage top30. Even if VP wins 5 straight matches against NAVI (online) they are still trash compared to NAVI. So relax bud.
2020-10-19 07:38
Crazy
2020-10-19 07:54
cancerous and cringe foRZe Jerry 24 iq
2020-10-19 07:56
jerry's brain = ERROR 404 NOT FOUND
2020-10-19 07:56
Just play wtf...navi pussies, i was tested reactive on RDT and feel nothing for the whole 14 days quarantined
2020-10-19 08:30
0/8
2020-10-19 08:44
If he really sick so bad until he cant play, just play with coach Nothing changes the fact that it is preferential treatment and navi are bunch of pussies
2020-10-19 10:53
It is Coronavirus you dumb. They must check every player and everyone from NAVI staff who contacted him. Instead of grouping up again and playing. Why are you sto stupid? You must must be good candidate for idiots from forZe.
2020-10-19 12:00
Go purchase some brain cell
2020-10-19 13:10
you better do not reply if you have 0 arguments, potatoe.
2020-10-19 13:16
NaVi should give a walkover but they are clowns without honor.
2020-10-19 10:15
#399
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Portugal dracø
Hope he gets well soon. But man, they could've used a standin like any other team is forced to do.
2020-10-19 10:33
Any replacement = 20% RMR points loss
2020-10-19 10:45
it is f*cking Coronavirus what are you talking about. they shouldn't play at all, they should check every player
2020-10-19 11:50
Why is everyone talking like Perfecto only got to know about corona 30-40 mins before match? The fact that they rescheduled the match way too close to the match time was so fucked up. I believe no one would blame Na'Vi if they did it 1 or 2 hours prior. If you lay some rules, make everyone follow them, no matter who the team is. Which in this case, If you're late.. you lose map.
2020-10-19 11:10
#406
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Russia ToughGuy
facepalm atleast find full info about this situation before write
2020-10-19 11:33
check information before you talk. NAVI said about this situation in time.
2020-10-19 11:50
Guys.. Tweets said that they rescheduled the match 35 minutes prior without even asking Forze
2020-10-19 12:50
#405
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Russia ToughGuy
dude ahaha their coach such a clown now i know why they're garbage even after were playing together for 2 years
2020-10-19 11:31
+1 liTTle = dolboeb forZe are like a small dog who is barking on big elephant.
2020-10-19 11:51
RIP
2020-10-19 11:54
Its not navi fault, but ESL decision lil bit biased
2020-10-19 12:12
#414
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Russia ToughGuy
its not biased its fakin pandemic is going on rn and this rules not include it and when u losing 40% of rmr points cuz player got corona in pandemic times its just stupid
2020-10-19 12:20
+1
2020-10-19 13:28
#413
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Bosnia and Herzegovina lousooo
forZe is a bunch of stupid unprofessionals. They seem to be all 15 years old or something. If they cannot understand this situation properly. 1. VP were late on their game cuz they are stupid enough to play 2-3 events at the same time. They are non-punctual noobs. 2. NAVI said about this situation at least 1 hour before the match. 3. ESL contacted you a little bit too late, but what does it change? This was smart decision by ESL since this is not a usual situation. It is F*CKING CORONAVIRUS. 4. Perfecto has Coronavirus so NAVI must check a lot of people of their organization including other players, because he contacted with them. But stupid fORzE cannot understand it. 5. fOrZe = 30iq team. They became mad for nothing and started twitting shit, Org's twitter + their stupid kids-players + their potatoe brain coach LiTTle.
2020-10-19 12:19
#415
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Russia ToughGuy
so true
2020-10-19 12:21
+1 well said mate
2020-10-19 12:22
#419
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Sweden ShageN
I hope Perfecto will get well soon! NAVI is very important part of CS:GO scene. Smart decision by ESL and unprofessional behavior by forZe members.
2020-10-19 12:29
2 faced ESL. If it was other team - ez tech lose.
2020-10-19 13:11
#425
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Sweden ShageN
how can you know that? it is first time situation.
2020-10-19 13:15
North was plaing with another player in same situation.
2020-10-19 13:30
it looks like people who work on forZe are 13 y.o. kids or smth. very unprofessional. but what should i expect from tier4 team. liTTle is just a shame, Jerry, xsepower and others are kids
2020-10-19 13:20
Cry babies from forZe are yapping on real gentlemen from Na`Vi. It looks funny!
2020-10-19 13:23
🤣 🤣 +1
2020-10-19 14:12
The rules must be changed. It non-sence if team loses 40% of points when one of the players is ill. These rules are valid for long-term changes, but should NOT affect changes for 1-2 matches
2020-10-19 13:31
#434
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Asia hkmusashi
Get well soon Perfecto!
2020-10-19 14:29
Get well soon bro
2020-10-19 14:57
#438
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Russia FD3CD9
Now everybody see how stupid is forze
2020-10-19 16:24
get well soon
2020-10-19 16:39
#441
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Estonia RopzTop1
What terrible sportsmanship from forZe, wanting a free win.
2020-10-19 17:17
Yes but if you think about they have a very good point
2020-10-19 19:17
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Russia KaStrEek
bednii perforator
2020-10-19 17:33
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