Cloud9 terminate contracts of JT, motm, Sonic, T.c

Repeated violations of the company's COVID-19 policy by inviting guests to the Cloud9 team house has led to the termination of the quartet's contracts.

Cloud9 have terminated the contracts of Ian "⁠motm⁠" Hardy, Johnny "⁠JT⁠" Theodosiou, Aran "⁠Sonic⁠" Groesbeek, and coach Tiaan "⁠T.c⁠" Coertzen after they were found to be in violation of the company's COVID-19 policy, according to Dust2.us and Rush B Media.

The team had previously received written and verbal warnings after violating the company's policy by inviting guests over to the Cloud9 team house, and have now had their contracts terminated due to a second offence of the same clause.

"The details that really matter is this was the second offence of unauthorized guests coming into Cloud9 property after being told that this is not all acceptable," Cloud9 CEO Jack Etienne said in a statement to the two publications. "The reason it is not acceptable is because you are putting our staff at risk."

The four former Cloud9 members have had their contracts terminated

The four members were asked to move out of the team house following the termination of their contracts, with Cloud9 finding and paying for new accommodations through Monday, October 26. The organisation also offered to move the players' belongings to their new accommodations, or work with them on how to proceed.

Notably, Josh "⁠oSee⁠" Ohm is not included among the players who had their contracts terminated as he does not live at the team house, leaving him as the sole remaining contracted player of the former Cloud9 roster.

The South African trio will need to find a new organisation to call home post-haste if they wish to remain in the United States as their P1-visas are set to expire in 30 days, after which they would be required to return to their home country. Additionally, JT and motm have announced their free agency since the publication of the story.

The quartet of members who had their contracts terminated are:

South Africa Johnny "⁠JT⁠" Theodosiou
South Africa Aran "⁠Sonic⁠" Groesbeek
United States Ian "⁠motm⁠" Hardy

South Africa Tiaan "⁠T.c⁠" Coertzen (coach)

United States Josh 'oSee' Ohm
Josh 'oSee' Ohm
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
716
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.11
South Africa Aran 'Sonic' Groesbeek
Aran 'Sonic' Groesbeek
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
699
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.13
South Africa Johnny 'JT' Theodosiou
Johnny 'JT' Theodosiou
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
681
KPR:
0.64
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.14
United States Ian 'motm' Hardy
Ian 'motm' Hardy
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
622
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.11
South Africa Tiaan 'T.c' Coertzen
Tiaan 'T.c' Coertzen
Age:
28
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.82
Maps played:
52
KPR:
0.54
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.17
rip
2020-10-25 06:51
84 replies
Take COVID seriously, everyone
2020-10-25 06:51
80 replies
Rip
2020-10-25 06:57
17 replies
interesting excuse to terminate old players' contracts while you already completed your main roster
2020-10-25 10:33
16 replies
Oh look, conspiracy theorist joined the chat.
2020-10-25 11:12
10 replies
dude, it makes sense tho
2020-10-25 14:39
9 replies
#235
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United States Festive_
how? #234
2020-10-25 14:40
8 replies
#263
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United States Phamous3k
I see what you’re saying and I’m not going to act like I know the details of there contract but... Who would buy those contracts? No one in NA since there’s like 4 orgs left lol. And since we have no details on there contracts who says they could “just terminate their contracts they would’ve a few weeks ago”? For all we know they had a guaranteed payout if there services were cut early & this covid situation might of allowed a loop hole for C9 to part ways legally. Just saying... I deal with contracts and some of the language in there can create an ironclad situation. My guess is C9 was financially tied to these players, and they needed a legal way to separate and they used the covid policy as a loop hole. I wonder if they communicated that “Hey, violating this policy leads to termination” idk. We would have to read there contracts.
2020-10-25 16:55
7 replies
#266
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United States Festive_
third paragraph makes a lot of sense. i could definitely see that happening. thanks for replying in a sophisticated way!
2020-10-25 17:36
6 replies
#271
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United States Phamous3k
Lol, np... It also could be as simple as you violated policy twice so gtfo lol.
2020-10-25 17:49
5 replies
At least in the e-sports scene, I feel like 9 times out of 10 there is a loophole. I'm not talking down on the Cloud9 organization or the players of their former CSGO roster, but in complicated times like right now, businesses struggle and quite often, they "have to go back on their word" because conditions don't turn out to what they were expected to. It's kind of like how floppy said he'd stick with his old teammates (ex-Cloud9), but lo-and-behold, he jumped ship and joined the new Cloud9 roster.
2020-10-25 18:09
4 replies
#280
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United States Phamous3k
Yeah, we all know C9's CSGO division has been bleeding millions for years according to there president: dexerto.com/csgo/cloud9-reveal-they-lose.. Dan went as far as saying his Rainbow Six team makes more money then his CSGO team. And we ALLLL know these esport orgs live off private investing & sponsorship so... There has to be some kind of plan for some ROI. Now, these kids violated policy so, it's pretty much on them... However; this situation frees up some money to move elsewhere. And Im pretty sure they tried to sell there contracts but lets be honest... Who's buying lol I'm moving towards a loop hole and freeing capital as well... But of course, we dont know.
2020-10-25 18:20
3 replies
I forgot about that article. I only remember reading through it briefly a few times a while ago. That's crazy to think that Cloud9 and likely many other organizations make more money from their R6 Siege teams than their CSGO teams. I always thought the R6 Siege scene was a lot smaller than the CSGO scene. And yeah, I hate to say it, but I don't think any org in NA would want to buy out the contracts of the ex-Cloud9 roster. I can see maybe oSee and motm since they are U.S. based players, but for the South African players and coach, I can only imagine how much paper work needs to be done behind the scenes to get them into the U.S. legally and to keep them here for a long enough amount of time, which is more or less indefinite from a broad stand point. Kudos to you for working with contracts too. I read my text through and ask what I hope are enough questions. More or less, I do what research I can and hope for the best lol.
2020-10-25 18:22
2 replies
#290
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United States Phamous3k
Yeah, those South African players BEST hope is maybe finding an organization in Valorant tbh lol. No one is buying those contracts. And yeh, that interview is eye opening that many fans on hltv seem to overlook. Hence, you don't see any new orgs enter the NA scene... 1. Dwindling playerbase and overall interests. 2. Simply no infrastructure compared to EU. 3. It's just tooooo damn expensive lol. Rainbow Six has incentives for orgs... Every season there's org skins you can buy to directly supports the orgs. They also have Pro League sets that fund the prize pools.. I mean... Siege is muccccch smaller but better at supplying orgs with revenue. ubisoft.com/en-au/esports/rainbow-six/si.. Lol.. And thx for the Kudos!
2020-10-25 18:37
1 reply
Have the South African players / coach even touched Valorant? I haven't heard of any news about that. If only CSGO was more sustainable and had a structure similar to the Overwatch League, COD League or whatever it's called, or R6 Major structure. Also damn, I should look into the R6 scene ; it's a lot different from what I am used to seeing. No problem man, gotta give people credit where and when it's due.
2020-10-25 20:40
LOL TRUE!
2020-10-25 13:34
#234
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United States Festive_
why would they want to terminate their contracts though? they could’ve sold them, admittedly not for much. and if they wanted to just terminate their contracts they would’ve a few weeks ago. it’s probably more beneficial for the players and C9 has that authority
2020-10-25 14:39
3 replies
You still pay them their salary plus whatever other benefits are in the contract. Considering the current situation there's very little chance other organizations would buy-out these players. So you end up just paying them to sit at home doing nothing. It's definitely in the best interest of c9 to find an excuse to terminate the contracts.
2020-10-25 15:19
2 replies
These guys violated the policy 3 times. They invited people over twice after being given their initial warning. They did it on purpose to get out of their contracts.
2020-10-25 15:56
1 reply
#267
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United States Festive_
+1 there must’ve been a financial incentive for the players. like getting bought a different org
2020-10-25 17:37
They just had to find a reason how to terminate their contracts , i am 100% sure they did nothing at all .
2020-10-25 07:22
57 replies
lol if that were the case then they could sue C9 but they won't.
2020-10-25 07:23
46 replies
they wont sue c9 maybe they wanted it themselfs aswell .
2020-10-25 07:27
28 replies
Well if c9 wanted to terminate their contracts and they wanted to terminate their contracts, both would have done it without going into a clusterf*ck now would they. You seem real dumb.
2020-10-25 07:29
21 replies
+1
2020-10-25 07:33
ye and then C9 would look like a harsh org. You think if that was their main fucking line up they would have terminated their contracts cause they didnt wear a mask once ?
2020-10-25 07:36
17 replies
Doesn't matter, if the players want their contracts be terminated there's no reason for c9 create a story around it ( especially one that puts the players in the wrong). They can just release a statement and wish them luck in their future endeavors just like every other org does
2020-10-25 08:00
15 replies
THey will put players in the wrong but pay them some money so they dont have to deal with them , and focus on their new main line up . Profit for both sides , cause the time is ticking and that old c9 line up needs to find a new home and while they are under c9 they cant find anything and they cant play any tourneys .
2020-10-25 08:05
12 replies
#99
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Germany m1soooo
How dumb r you tho
2020-10-25 08:49
7 replies
Explain :)
2020-10-25 10:24
6 replies
premise - both want their contracts gone. Solution: Mutual termoination. Your idea: >"THey will put players in the wrong" - detremental to the players. > "pay them some money so they dont have to deal with them" - detremental to the org, also no reason not to go for mutual termination > "focus on their new main line up" - irrelevant either way > "Profit for both sides , cause the time is ticking and that old c9 line up needs to find a new home and while they are under c9 they cant find anything and they cant play any tourneys ." - how is this better than just terminating the contracts mutually?
2020-10-25 12:28
4 replies
This is better for the org because they don’t have to pay salaries anymore, nor do they have to worry about termination pay. Since they have a just cause to terminate contracts, they don’t need to worry about a severance pay cost that they would if they had no reason to terminate the contract. The players were definitely not excited to be out of the contract, because they are literally paid to do nothing since they didn’t have a full lineup anymore. They were idiots for not listening to the warning from the org, they cost themselves a free pay check because they invited people to the house instead of going out
2020-10-25 15:13
3 replies
you ignore the premise and the arguments leading to this post
2020-10-25 18:53
2 replies
Jesus, people seem not to see this from c9s perspective. They are paying these players that are actively doing nothing. They are a drain on profit. They also broke the terms of their contract related to the c9 house they are staying at. C9 already warned them a 1st time. When they did it a second time, they gave c9 an opening to terminate contracts for a reason, meaning they don’t have to pay severance, or worry about a lawsuit because it is documented they broke contract terms. Since they haven’t been able to sell the players this makes sense. It isn’t a conspiracy, it’s smart business.
2020-10-30 12:58
1 reply
and I never disputed that. As I said, you didn't read the full threat that lead to my comment. If OP sets the premise that both parties want the contract terminated then all this conspiracy theory that they didn't do anything wrong and got slammed with false claims is stupid. I didn't argue what really happened, I called out a flaw in the original argument which was stupid.
2020-10-30 18:42
He's right you said something stupid. Admit you hadn't thought it through and move on and no one will judge you but trying to defend it is just nonsense mate
2020-10-25 13:17
It's sad to see countrymen make shit up and be 100% sure its correct. Trump is robbing off on the whole world?
2020-10-25 10:19
1 reply
I am not 100% sure , but i am def 60-70% sure .
2020-10-25 10:23
stop creating bs conspiracy theories
2020-10-25 11:17
1 reply
I mean it should be quite obv if u are not a casual .
2020-10-25 11:18
You cant just kick players out for nothing , since they are under contract they would have had to pay them in case they wanted to just kick them.
2020-10-25 11:05
1 reply
#206
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Sweden crittaN
Just stop dude you’re embarrassing yourself...
2020-10-25 12:28
ye and then C9 would look like a harsh org. for mutual contract termination? dafuq?
2020-10-25 12:17
+1
2020-10-25 13:26
#255
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United Kingdom 230IQUSER
+1
2020-10-25 15:58
they would've left a while ago if that was the case
2020-10-25 07:34
5 replies
You cant just leave the team lol if u are under contract thats why alot of players cant do shit when they are getting bunched under contract
2020-10-25 10:24
4 replies
An org and the player can mutually decide to leave, you literally have no idea how contracts work.
2020-10-25 11:57
3 replies
What this guy is saying makes sense, the org obviously wanted a way out of the contract, they are literally paying them to do nothing. By using this excuse since technically they warned them they have just-cause to terminate their contract. If they didn’t have a reason and wanted to terminate, they’d have to pay out their entire contract (most contracts are done this way, or have some variation of payout). The players wouldn’t mutually decide to leave unless they had another contract lined up. By doing this, the org doesn’t have to buy out their contract because they violated terms of it
2020-10-25 15:21
2 replies
You sound as delusional as your friend up there ^ You really think these guys would take a hit on their reputation for that? Do you think C9 lacks money lmao? So the players have another gig lined up? That's your reasoning, Sure. And when nobody picks up those players then I can still remember why i don't listen to people on HLTV, not that I will start now.
2020-10-25 23:48
1 reply
And you seem to have no clue of the world of business. Obviously c9 can afford to pay them. That being said, they’re still stuck paying out pretty hefty salaries to these people. So if they broke rules in c9s property, after already warning the players, then It makes sense to terminate. They are pretty much just getting a free pay check, which messes with c9 net profit. They aren’t making money on these players, since no one wanted to buy them from c9. The players probably thought they’d get away with it, they more than likely don’t have any other gig lined up. Long story short, c9 can afford to, but doesn’t want to pay these freeloaders anymore, and they were stupid enough to breach their contracts after already being warned about it. (Albeit a small breach)
2020-10-30 12:51
Pretty sure it wouldn’t be worth suing so it’s pointless to get upset over it
2020-10-25 07:28
16 replies
Do you even realize it's a guaranteed salary and place of residence in america all while allowing the african players to keep their visas? Especially if C9 was purposely screwing their players over, which as of late hasn't seemed to be the case, if they wanted to leave they would have already.
2020-10-25 07:30
15 replies
That act was def a both side agreement , they probably paid them somethiing aswell .
2020-10-25 07:35
13 replies
you sound delusional yo, why would they give a guaranteed place of residence, with a paycheck and work visas for C9 to fake contract violations and terminate them, do you realize how dumb that sounds?
2020-10-25 07:36
12 replies
U think c9 is interested in paying that and doing all that for the team that is gonna be out soon . You seem like someone that doesnt know how to run business
2020-10-25 07:39
You thinking they got terminated because of violating covid rules is fucking pathetic . And if u think everything was soo perfect for them aswell u think they would just do that knowing they can get cut ?
2020-10-25 07:40
10 replies
so the reasoning of staff safety when they invite random people to the team house is okay apparently. You sound like one of those non maskers, fuckin disgusting
2020-10-25 07:42
9 replies
No i am not saying that , i am saying that it probably didnt even happen , there is no way for ppl to fucking see that (unless u are their fucking neighbour .
2020-10-25 08:07
8 replies
so you're saying the official statement by C9 is false but your complete exaggeration of what it "could be" is what I should believe in? Nope. The reasoning is what it is unless it's proven otherwise. C9 isn't a company that has a history of lying, so as far as I'm concerned you need to get your priorities straight.
2020-10-25 08:11
Lol so u think the c9 house doesn't have cameras or staff members that can see? Every post you've made makes u look really retarded...
2020-10-25 09:27
All your posts make you sound like a moron, just stop typing
2020-10-25 10:49
5 replies
Ty for being factual
2020-10-25 11:00
I actually stated strong points that even if u just hate me as person u should consider as something that could have easly happen
2020-10-25 11:02
3 replies
It's not hard to see why they were removed. There doesn't need to be a conspiracy behind everything, Cloud9 clearly can afford these players but they were breaking the rules. Why would C9 lie about it and make these players look bad, and then these players agree to it because money just to tarnish their reputations? Are you fucking delusional?
2020-10-25 11:31
Nobody knows the whole story, but it does NOT make sense for this situation to be a "mutual parting of ways". Why? The ex-Cloud9 CSGO roster were getting paid to do nothing ; they were waiting for another organization to buy them out of their contracts from Cloud9. Also, Cloud9 would have to pay out their contracts in stipends or some other variation to the players if they decided to let them out of their contracts on good terms for both parties. Just think about it...the players would not want to have their contracts terminated because they lose their only source of income and the African players plus coach are going to be out on the streets, looking for a new job and home to maintain their P1 Visas so they can stay in the United States. They now have 30 days at most to find a new job + home in the U.S., otherwise they have to book flights to go back home to South Africa.
2020-10-25 18:16
An opinion without any proof isn't strong, you're a retarded fuck
2020-10-25 23:49
They brought non permitted people into the work place multiple times, in clear violation to what their contracts stated, received multiple verbal and written warnings. If they want to sue they have no legs to stand on, if they truly wanted to continue to be paid and and have residency they wouldn’t have done it a second time. Every big company has the same, if not similar policies to termination.
2020-10-25 17:18
+1 same
2020-10-25 08:29
Assumption is the mother of all fuckups
2020-10-25 09:21
#116
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United Kingdom TC10
If this was the case then they’d have terminated osee’s contract as well and the players would have spoken out about what happened
2020-10-25 09:45
1 reply
Didnt he just retired from CS?
2020-10-25 11:00
Maybe it's the opposite, maybe the players wanted to be released, so they did what they did so they could be signed up by another org for no fee.
2020-10-25 10:49
3 replies
That might be true also.
2020-10-25 11:01
Also possible but this way they make themselves look bad
2020-10-25 12:23
1 reply
Even kng managed to get a job after all he did, I don't think orgs will really care about this, as long as the players are profitable for them.
2020-10-25 21:50
you're saying a company was purposefully waiting for an excuse... to lose money? excuse me, what the fuck?
2020-10-25 15:13
You are braindead. Contracts are legally binding in the US. There is absolutely no chance that they did nothing wrong because they would 100% be suing.
2020-10-25 15:53
Loool
2020-10-25 10:29
#218
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United States mickdo
Take the common cold seriously everyone, make sure you have a Kleenex for the worst symptom: runny nose
2020-10-25 13:01
i am glad this was said on HLTV...
2020-10-25 16:28
everyone is except america it seems like, also Osee c9 6th man?? O.o
2020-10-25 21:07
RYAN AT RUSHBMEDIA DID IT FIRST
2020-10-25 06:52
ok
2020-10-25 06:53
RMR how:(
2020-10-25 07:08
#3
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Australia vamped
oof sucks for them
2020-10-25 06:51
1 reply
#126
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Spain ferk
Kinda the opposite, no buyout now and free to go wherever they want. Probably good for C9 too, as they don't have to pay their salaries now and it was a long, looong shot that anyone would have been willing to pay much for these three randoms.
2020-10-25 10:15
Gg
2020-10-25 06:51
#6
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United States fade4182
Where osee go? Team?
2020-10-25 06:52
9 replies
#13
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United States notawaffle
read Notably, Josh "⁠oSee⁠" Ohm is not included among the players who had their contracts terminated as he does not live at the team house, leaving him as the sole remaining contracted player of the former Cloud9 roster.
2020-10-25 06:52
8 replies
#37
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United States fade4182
I mean where would he go next. Valorant or gen.g/liquid?
2020-10-25 07:11
6 replies
#38
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United States notawaffle
idk but he's a really good awp i cant imagine he resorts to valorant
2020-10-25 07:11
5 replies
#264
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United States Phamous3k
What org in NA will pick him up? Not many choices unless he decides to go overseas.
2020-10-25 17:11
4 replies
Gen.G or he could stay with C9 as a sixth player.
2020-10-25 17:52
3 replies
#276
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United States Phamous3k
6th player seems to be his best option... GenG might go international tbh. Take the C9 route and just get the best players money can buy idk.. But GenG would be a good option if they decide to buy his contract.
2020-10-25 18:02
2 replies
They are signing Liazz so they aren't exactly going get the best player available route. And honestly Osee is one of the best players available. Who knows Obo is out there as well.
2020-10-25 18:22
1 reply
#285
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United States Phamous3k
oBo yes... That dude should be signed already tbh.
2020-10-25 18:24
#223
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Croatia Makz_CRO
He just might stay with C9 since he is really tight with floppy. Being a 6th player for C9 beats playing in almost any NA team.
2020-10-25 13:29
Good luck ahead
2020-10-25 06:51
#9
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United States notawaffle
Hope these guys find new teams soon, they are pretty good players
2020-10-25 06:52
6 replies
I highly doubt anyone will pick them with that attitude of them
2020-10-25 07:14
5 replies
#40
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United States notawaffle
what attitude?
2020-10-25 07:14
4 replies
The attitude of them having balls to break the same rule again after receiving "written and verbal warnings after violating the company's policy". Looks like they thought it was "just warnings" and that org won't do shit to them for some reason.
2020-10-25 10:46
3 replies
Honestl If kng as a death threatener found orgs again and again im sure they wont have problems either
2020-10-25 12:57
2 replies
You being a hotheaded fck is not the same as defying direct orders from your boss. Im also a hotblooded and offensive guy in my job, but i do it properly.
2020-10-25 15:30
Fair. But they have a month or that's it, doubt they can play any decent tournament from South Africa, so we have to wait and see.
2020-10-25 17:43
As Expected,hope they find a better team
2020-10-25 06:52
c9=the worst team of 2021 mark my words
2020-10-25 06:52
4 replies
probably, steve my words.
2020-10-25 07:40
#120
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Sweden Lagge15
C9 will be better than FaZe clan and G2 in 2021
2020-10-25 09:52
#216
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United Kingdom novaseer
if we want to be pedantic the 'worst' team of 2021 will be some random silver 2 5stack
2020-10-25 12:54
1 reply
i heard someone talking shit about me
2020-10-25 14:58
#14
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Georgia Megobari
Where is Osee
2020-10-25 06:52
3 replies
Gen.G probably
2020-10-25 08:01
2 replies
i freaking hope so. +liazz +osee lets goooo gen.g
2020-10-25 09:40
1 reply
Autimatic not giving up the awp he said. +obo would be better
2020-10-25 15:15
Bonkers
2020-10-25 06:53
#17
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Philippines batstew
so stupid tf
2020-10-25 06:53
1 reply
That's why they are terminated
2020-10-25 12:15
Expected from white Africans lmao
2020-10-25 06:54
so thats how they could terminate their contracts i mean sure this might be true but if they didnt have a second roster guaranteed this wouldnt be happening
2020-10-25 06:54
" after they were found to be in violation of the company's COVID-19 policy" Yeah sure, thats the reason
2020-10-25 06:56
14 replies
#32
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India C0|d
It would be a major harassment from C9 if this was all not true and they acted in bad faith against 4 players... Why would they even lie about it... It's their second violation and should deserve action..
2020-10-25 07:05
13 replies
this is just a way to get rid of the players... has nothing to do with covid19
2020-10-25 07:25
1 reply
#138
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United Kingdom KieranFR
I'm sure if they were just making it up the players would have said it publicly by now.
2020-10-25 10:29
They got a brand new c9 roster. So of course, they will try to get a reason to cut the old roster.
2020-10-25 07:36
3 replies
Imagine if you accidentally put t instead of g in your name
2020-10-25 09:03
2 replies
WTF
2020-10-25 10:06
#207
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India C0|d
I can get behind that
2020-10-25 12:32
The thing is Osee's contract wasnt terminated, rofl. C9 is buch of clowns like henryg.
2020-10-25 08:47
6 replies
#136
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United Kingdom KieranFR
Did you read the article numb nuts? His wasn't terminated because he doesn't live in the team house.
2020-10-25 10:28
5 replies
ye, sure...
2020-10-25 10:32
1 reply
#143
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United Kingdom KieranFR
It's clearly not worth having a conversation with you
2020-10-25 10:34
what a lucky conincidence, that the only player c9 had offers for was not touched.
2020-10-25 10:34
2 replies
#144
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United Kingdom KieranFR
Don't you think that if it was a lie and he was living at the team house the other players that effectively got fired would have called c9 out on their lies? Use your brain please.
2020-10-25 10:35
1 reply
I dont say its not true. I say, that they have found a good way to not pay their paychecks. They did that like snakes. Its like 100 thieves situation. Nadeshot said he wants ausies to be competing in EU and 100t cant do that, but he also said on stream that they are playing like trash or smth. That covid story was just a shell for the action they wanted to perform. Open ur eyes ffs.
2020-10-25 10:42
lol they're asking for it
2020-10-25 06:58
ROFL idiots
2020-10-25 07:00
big rip man
2020-10-25 07:01
How do i get rid off them?
2020-10-25 07:02
noones going to believe this shit, c9 is literally mafia and they dont even try to hide it
2020-10-25 07:05
Wait a minute this is just a scumbag okay from C9 so they don't have t opay their players for the rest of their contracts. COVID-19 my ass
2020-10-25 07:03
1 reply
300IQ move tbh the former ATK kids are just retards, knowing the consequences and timing
2020-10-25 07:18
#28
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Philippines Nearkiral
oSee is not here. Does that mean he is the 6th of c9? EDIT: never mind, I just finished reading lol
2020-10-25 07:10
1 reply
No, it means he didn't give them anything for them to kick him like this or some team want to buy him. This is just case of getting rid of players under contract
2020-10-25 09:39
CEO be like Gotta go fast
2020-10-25 07:05
#34
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
Players would've probably already called out the org if they did this maliciously, looks like they got a warning before aswell.
2020-10-25 07:08
5 replies
They are far away from home probably family members want to see them. And then they use the human behaviour against them. C9 piece of shit org. HenryG the snake.
2020-10-25 07:32
4 replies
#155
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Slovakia Daev0n
You don't know that it could have been anyone.
2020-10-25 10:45
3 replies
And you don't know it could have been nobody.
2020-10-25 13:05
2 replies
#237
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Slovakia Daev0n
If it was nobody you would surely hear from the players already.
2020-10-25 14:48
1 reply
ah nope. You don't know what they have signed.
2020-10-25 14:54
Honestly, what a joke
2020-10-25 07:09
they could've just terminate the contract, why creating this horrible excuse!!
2020-10-25 07:10
4 replies
avoiding fees
2020-10-25 07:21
You can't "just" terminate an employee contract. You have to pay compensation first.
2020-10-25 07:36
2 replies
But I think not in a case of harshly endangering safety on work space, so here we go
2020-10-25 09:41
1 reply
#238
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Slovakia Daev0n
+1 I have no idea how it is in the US but in EU you wouldn't have to pay
2020-10-25 14:49
What the F is this reason to terminate the contracts
2020-10-25 07:14
1 reply
#166
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Europe Cirros_V2
Yeah putting planty ppl at risk twice in the same way after getting warning isn't good reason at all...
2020-10-25 10:55
#42
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Faroe Islands pmX_
F
2020-10-25 07:15
#44
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Yugoslavia RiggedShit
Haha xD who even anymore believes this covid hoax but 40iq people
2020-10-25 07:18
7 replies
who cares, 300IQ move from C9
2020-10-25 07:20
#72
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CIS cardison
0/8
2020-10-25 07:40
#85
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China HEIDASHUAi
0/8
2020-10-25 08:09
I've seen Sars-Cov 2 myself by the help of EM and I've seen plenty of severely affected patients. But apparently these were just funky imaginations originating from my peanut brain.
2020-10-25 09:59
2 replies
#127
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Serbia DjapeZ
Feels bad that u have peanut brain
2020-10-25 10:17
1 reply
Yeah mens
2020-10-25 10:24
#164
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Europe Cirros_V2
Ok flat earther
2020-10-25 10:54
RIP. F
2020-10-25 07:18
KEKW
2020-10-25 07:19
We said no escorts in the team house dudes, just listen
2020-10-25 07:20
expected
2020-10-25 07:26
how convenient
2020-10-25 07:29
Aha. HenryG the snake. Steals floppy. Told in hltv Interview that he supports them and now create fake news to kick them. This has mibr, coach bug and ibp and karrigan kick level.
2020-10-25 07:30
This is the weirdest story I've read on HLTV... like wtf...
2020-10-25 07:36
2 replies
#163
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Europe Cirros_V2
Nah a guy's story about fking farting grandma was waaay weirder.
2020-10-25 10:52
Jack probably terminated their contracts on purpose to get the buyouts off their heads
2020-10-25 12:51
#74
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Denmark Zorrondo
literally who? But since it's NA the article probably talks about more tier 3 players switching to valorant
2020-10-25 07:47
That's nasty
2020-10-25 07:50
#78
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India somecunt
What a way to go lmao
2020-10-25 08:02
#80
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Europe DoktorEgg
Stinks of C9 looking for an excuse. Highlights the perils of agreeing to live in a team house. You allow the org far more control over your private life and if you, or one of your team, don't follow their rules then they can terminate the contract.
2020-10-25 08:04
4 replies
they could have moved from the house anytime they want. c'mon they're adults and they act like dumb teens
2020-10-25 09:50
3 replies
#162
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Europe Cirros_V2
+1
2020-10-25 10:50
#189
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Europe DoktorEgg
Sure, and I wouldn't bet against them being fine with it. Maybe oSee wasn't living in the house because he wants to stay under contract. It might even be the case that they really forced C9 hand by holding wild parties, who knows, right? I'm just saying that if players do sign up to live in a team house then they really are signing over a lot of freedom and other pros should maybe think twice about that.
2020-10-25 11:48
1 reply
I agree with you, but it shouldn't be the issue with pros. If you are professional in something, you should act accordingly. And it is completely dumb when you're contracted to a team which has openly no future plans for you and your mates, so you're just getting money literally for nothing including accommodation until the end of contracts and you repeatedly break your contract by having parties. I would say, good job C9.
2020-10-25 16:43
#82
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China HEIDASHUAi
They were going to leave anyway ...
2020-10-25 08:06
#84
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Philippines leks1
They don't want their team house to be plagued by Covid right? Since US got the highest number of cases, of course they'd make a policy about it. It's not a lame excuse to kick them or C9 is racist, they're still in their contracts so whatever happens to the players will reflect on the company and the company will still pay for the medical fees.
2020-10-25 08:09
RIP South African CS
2020-10-25 08:09
100% deserved, especially after receiving written warnings about it.
2020-10-25 08:11
1 reply
#159
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Europe Cirros_V2
+1
2020-10-25 10:49
#88
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Poland Kobel_
Basing on the reactions it looks like it was staged and both sides are happy with the outcome (C9 doesn't have to pay, players are not in contract hell) Which does not surprise me
2020-10-25 08:12
5 replies
Yeah, seems like an easy way to get rid of buyouts
2020-10-25 08:32
#157
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Europe Cirros_V2
Yeah but i don't see how it is any better. No way anyone will sign them rn and by being under c9 they surely were getting some money and had support in finding new team.
2020-10-25 10:48
3 replies
I don't know why every other post is that C9 is evil. C9 did the right thing and people are saying they're in the wrong.
2020-10-25 10:54
2 replies
#171
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Europe Cirros_V2
Because most of the people either cant read and see whole image by doing it or are just dumb morons that think its always orgs having reasons to get more money bcuz they are sooo evil and u cant trust them (predisposition to believe in conspiracy theories, usually sign of low iq or paranoia. Just look how many ppl in match coms think teams like astralis matchfix xD).
2020-10-25 11:03
#275
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Poland Kobel_
I don't think it's evil, it looks more like both sides worked on an unofficial solution while avoiding contract clauses lmao But that just can be a convenient coincidence and nothing more as well
2020-10-25 18:02
#90
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Europe nvamov
Bye bye african 322 trashes
2020-10-25 08:17
They could just have terminated there contracts instead of this bullshit excuse
2020-10-25 08:22
Wow thats toxic! :o
2020-10-25 08:30
#94
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New Zealand SkirmishX
Probably was an excuse to get out of their contracts but absolutely stupid to play around with COVID like this
2020-10-25 08:30
#95
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Ecuador LONE_8122
I'm sure this had nothing to do with the fact that C9 just signed their "Colossus".
2020-10-25 08:32
1 reply
#154
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Europe Cirros_V2
Cant u all fking read? C9 gave them warning and they were still doing the same thing against rules putting stuff in real danger.
2020-10-25 10:45
#100
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Algeria Tari)))
rip
2020-10-25 08:52
deserved
2020-10-25 08:54
Sounds like C9 found a reason to get rid of their contracts.
2020-10-25 08:59
4 replies
#153
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Europe Cirros_V2
It looks like players did. C9 gave them warning and they still didnt care about it and did the same thing again.
2020-10-25 10:43
3 replies
how do you know they were actually given a warning and it wasn't just a cheap way to get rid of their contracts?
2020-10-25 12:25
2 replies
#208
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Europe Cirros_V2
Read the article lol
2020-10-25 12:32
1 reply
as in read what c9 has to say? ok i'm sure astralis is totally making a 10 man lineup too right?
2020-10-25 13:41
#104
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Switzerland x676
guests = prostitutes
2020-10-25 09:18
People on this website and their conspiracies, dno whether to laugh or cry.
2020-10-25 09:21
xddd
2020-10-25 09:24
there is 0 chance that any top50 team will sign JT. man just deleted his career by this decision. well, kid is still young so do some hard work and mb you will get back in businness
2020-10-25 09:26
#110
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Indonesia draizze
Hard for JT and Sonic to get signed by Orgs in 30 days unless they jump to Val. If they still want to stay in CS maybe they can try to offer themself to Orgs in other region instead.
2020-10-25 09:28
This is amazing. Im tired of spoiled bratty "pros". You are extremely overpaid and have legal contracts. Either follow the rules, and be professional or gtfo.
2020-10-25 09:33
1 reply
#152
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Europe Cirros_V2
+11111
2020-10-25 10:42
Caught on CCVT all of them? Seems awfully convenient for C9. This turn of events will hang over them for a while, sounds two faced to me
2020-10-25 09:42
#117
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Poland Po_Prostu
they were only waiting for good reason
2020-10-25 09:46
Esport contracts have no legal force
2020-10-25 09:46
3 replies
#148
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Europe Cirros_V2
That's one of the dumbest things i have seen here
2020-10-25 10:39
1 reply
its true
2020-10-25 11:17
#256
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United Kingdom Leftie
A contract is a contract, no matter what environment the contract exists in. Doesn't matter if its a contract in tennis, eSports, football or whatever, the contract is just as strong if taken to court.
2020-10-25 15:59
If c9 can take calyx it will be very nice he is a good player
2020-10-25 10:12
Rip african era
2020-10-25 10:12
#125
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Hungary szia
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
2020-10-25 10:13
What a new, interesting excuse to get rid of players
2020-10-25 10:19
1 reply
#147
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Europe Cirros_V2
Are you serious? They got warning and did the same thing right after...
2020-10-25 10:38
Save SONIC
2020-10-25 10:20
1 reply
+1
2020-10-25 12:40
#139
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India Smauxx
Trick to save money coz you signed new players anyway.
2020-10-25 10:31
3 replies
#146
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Europe Cirros_V2
I dont think so since they got warning...
2020-10-25 10:37
2 replies
#149
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India Smauxx
They got warning alright. But team which signed new players with whom they will play upcoming events, so its better to get yourself kicked rather than rotting and wasting time until your contract ends.
2020-10-25 10:40
1 reply
#150
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Europe Cirros_V2
Yeah but its not like c9 kicked them to save money.
2020-10-25 10:41
#145
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Europe Cirros_V2
What a morons.... I get it that you could forget or whatever and make this mistake once but after getting warning for doing it and do it again? This is serious ffs. Putting stuff at risk and not follow instructions? Gtfo idiots...
2020-10-25 10:36
3 replies
You are so dumb, Jt, sonic and TC are far from home since idk how many years. I totally understand that they need to see other people. You are quick to judge but you don't live their situation
2020-10-25 11:05
2 replies
#174
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Europe Cirros_V2
You r calling me dumb yet you didnt figure it out that maaaaybe just maaaybe there are other ways of doing it??? Especially after getting fking warning?
2020-10-25 11:09
They need to see other people but must break rules previously imposed by their company? It doesn't work like this tbh
2020-10-25 12:07
#161
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Denmark kazzb
Convenient
2020-10-25 10:50
Soo many kids in Africa gonna die now Wtf cloud9 mens((
2020-10-25 11:10
Motm to Mcdonalds RIP to the africans though, looks like the end of their career, maybe someone from EU can pick them up for cheap
2020-10-25 11:13
Really sad tbh....They found an easy way to terminate their contracts. I will not support c9 again, I can't accept such behavior.
2020-10-25 11:24
2 replies
Boo hoo
2020-10-25 15:26
1 reply
Hobo.
2020-10-25 15:27
ok
2020-10-25 11:26
To y'all saying players got a 'warning', it's really ambitious. It could either mean "pls don't do it" or "y'all get sacked next time". You cannot tell what kind of warning players got. If players got the latter warning, of course they won't do it again.
2020-10-25 11:28
nice excuse to get them off the payroll early to pay for Alex, doubt anything would happen if the new team acted against covid rules in the teamhouse.
2020-10-25 11:30
NotLikeThis
2020-10-25 11:38
#187
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Ukraine Dert38
Those guys not respecting their chance
2020-10-25 11:40
#188
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Brazil YUB8
Deerverd, how you do something so dumb when your employer already looking for a way to get rid of you? just gave C9 a reason not to pay them anymore and now orgs might even question their behavior.
2020-10-25 11:43
Nice excuse C9, 200iq abusing the scamdemic.
2020-10-25 11:53
#191
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African Union mikecool
Tbh looks like they used this as a loophole to escape c9 or the company just wanted to get rid of them. They can do whatever they want now as a result I guess. Leaves the South African players in a crappy situation tho.
2020-10-25 11:57
2 replies
#226
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Estonia qoznyyy
probably wanted to get rid of them, because probably no teams wouldnt want to buy them out lol
2020-10-25 13:37
1 reply
#293
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African Union mikecool
That's quite true aye
2020-10-25 19:13
Well done. Bunch of idiots
2020-10-25 12:05
#195
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Sweden RaaCCooN
ok
2020-10-25 12:09
lmfao unlucko
2020-10-25 12:16
F
2020-10-25 12:20
why do these teams even have team houses in the first place. when i was in the military(humble brag i know), living in the barracks aka at work sucked massive dicks. its like you are never not at work and it feels like shit. at any point your boss could just be walking down the hall of your building because he/she works in the building.
2020-10-25 12:21
1 reply
hurr durr dank you fore yore servisse
2020-10-25 14:55
deserved
2020-10-25 12:23
wtf
2020-10-25 12:24
#209
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Poland SebL
Good decision, had to happen.
2020-10-25 12:34
JT to faze
2020-10-25 12:42
#212
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Finland JooonsMO
Osee confirmed 6th in c9 roster?
2020-10-25 12:42
2 replies
#215
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United Kingdom DDoubleE
Well maybe but, #213. C9 already have 2 players that can AWP in Es3 + Woxic.
2020-10-25 12:51
no, but he is probably the only one of those clowns who can be sold.
2020-10-25 16:46
#213
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United Kingdom DDoubleE
Ez money since they keep oSee and will most likely sell him to another NA team.
2020-10-25 12:50
1 reply
osee also doesnt seem like the type of guy who would break rules and party tbh. hes really chill in interviews and works hard on improving
2020-10-25 18:34
so will no one be needed to pay money to c9 if they want to get some of ex-cloud9 members? Good for both org and players GL africans ur skills very good
2020-10-25 13:08
#224
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Brazil 9Rain
Rules are rules, they'd been warned before and 've done it again. Stonks for C9 anyway and really bad move for the players.
2020-10-25 13:30
Somebody's been inviting escorts into the team house👉👌
2020-10-25 14:03
deserved. If you’re seriously this retarded to invite fools over at this time then you deserved to get fired.
2020-10-25 14:14
Hahahhahah rekt
2020-10-25 14:15
I think these guys are going to get a very rude awakening as to how little interest they will receive with the current state of NA CS. Should have obeyed the rules and kept that C9 pay day...
2020-10-25 14:23
"violations" Kappa Now they officially got oSee
2020-10-25 14:30
They are a goed bunch, Will fond anotjer teen
2020-10-25 14:48
1 reply
without floppy and osee they wont get shit ngl
2020-10-25 18:32
what a bunch of clowns..... although i am highly certain it was just one person doing it
2020-10-25 14:54
#251
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Brazil KingDavi
Jt is horrible. He should stay on Rugratz a tier 3 NA team where he belongs
2020-10-25 15:45
Horriblemoves from C9. These guys live far from home and they are just young players looking for new friends. Such a bs excuse from C9 orgs. I'm looking for new post interview after they got terminated
2020-10-25 16:06
Well, they sucked anyway, at least they had a party :-)
2020-10-25 16:44
#268
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Lebanon Dogman69
probably scripted
2020-10-25 17:42
#270
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Sweden DEFENSE!
Personally, I would love to see all the ZA players return home and start playing here again :D They had their share of fun in the US, now its time to go back home.
2020-10-25 17:45
who cares? this is clown 9 we're talking about.
2020-10-25 17:52
Considering it was their second written warning. Considering the article mentions verbal warnings as well. Second and written being the key words. No statement from any player saying multiple warnings weren't given beforehand. I buy this at face value actually. Good for C9 for taking it seriously. With this though you make sure you hold everyone to the same standard.
2020-10-25 17:57
1 reply
#277
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Lebanon Dogman69
This roster was on borrowed time anyways. No org at the current state of NA cs would want to sign them and players wouldn't accept the lower wages compared to C9 anyway, so just riding out their contracts and free team house. Seems like a convenient way to get these guys off the payroll. In before they go sacked becasue they let an Uber Eats courier in lmao
2020-10-25 18:05
lol
2020-10-25 18:11
The guests were strippers because we all know that fat f4ggot motm cannot get girls
2020-10-25 18:19
respect osee, he deserves better liquid -stewie +osee and elige igl rn pls for na superteam
2020-10-25 18:30
1 reply
We all know what happens when you let someone like him igl...
2020-10-26 15:33
Osee is really wishing he jumped on that opportunity earlier lol. Maybe they will still let him into the 6 man lineup
2020-10-25 21:52
lol
2020-10-26 07:29
Is that really the reason Cloud9 is gonne use to get rid of them, after assembling a whole new roster? That seems incredibly weak
2020-10-26 10:09
This whole thing is just weird. In a seemingly normal scenario, such an accusation would probably get something out of the players like "oh the warnings weren't even that concise" or some other form of callout/explanation. But nah. "FREE AGENT YALL" with a "supportive" RT from C9... Seems like they just didn't care OR there is actual bad blood behind the scenes but they're avoiding starting drama to save face for new orgs while C9 is paying for their cost of living in the interim. Just really weird. NA careers man. And as much as yall wanna say "oh just go to Valorant" that ship has sailed. Maybe next year (and they got 30 days lmfao) but the good orgs already have set and vetted rosters and First Strike is around the corner. Unless you have repute, you ain't getting nothing here. There are much better homegrown valorant players in the tier 2 scene to pick from than some pro from another game who likely never played valorant at a high level. Like ability usage to take map control etc is a huge factor and if you aren't used to certain things don't nobody wanna pay you to play. Period.
2020-10-26 15:43
they found a way to get ride of everyone unless the player they wanted to stay, nice move c9.
2020-10-26 17:50
lul
2020-10-26 18:20
#308
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Poland CORtezino
rude
2020-10-26 18:57
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