ESIC won't take action on past stream-sniping cases despite "widespread" use

The esports watchdog says that it will enforce a zero-tolerance stance from now on.

The Esports Integrity Commission (ESIC) has opted not to take action against teams, players and coaches who have been caught stream-sniping opponents during this online era caused by the coronavirus pandemic. In a statement issued on Wednesday, the esports watchdog said there were a number of reasons for this decision, including the fact that a new wave ban would have a devastating impact on the Counter-Strike esports landscape. It added that, while it believes that the practice was "widespread in online matches", some of the cases "were simply impossible to prove" or would demand considerable resources to be examined in full, at a time when the organisation is still investigating the historical use of the spectator bug.

ESIC said that between May and June, it received "numerous allegations" of coaches and teams stream-sniping. This means that they had the broadcast stream visible during the progress of the match, this way obtaining valuable information and gaining an unfair advantage.

ESIC added that, since the initial notification, it has gathered "compelling evidence" showing that this behavior "has been taking place on an alarmingly regular basis and at all levels of competition." In line with its previous decisions and sanctions, the commission faced "the very real prospect of banning a significant number of players, coaches and, in a few cases, entire teams", causing "an extremely adverse effect on CS:GO esports, particularly in the top tier".

"Such an action would have been, in ESIC Commissioner Ian Smith’s view, a disproportionate outcome to the actual harm done by the practice," ESIC's statement read. "In addition, due to the domino effect of such an action, ESIC and our members would have been faced with weeks or even months of further investigations into these alleged offences, involving many hours of video footage (where available) and hundreds of hours of in-game team communications, all over the period of our investigation into the coach bugs, which already threatened to overwhelm our limited resources."

The esports watchdog explained that, in some cases, it could not determine "with sufficient certainty" whether teams were stream-sniping simply due to the fact that they were playing in their own environments. This meant that some potential offenders would "get away with it by luck", while others "faced prosecution and sanctions simply because they were unfortunate enough to be in environments or circumstances where proof is or was available to ESIC."

"ESIC has therefore concluded that the only sensible solution for the CS:GO community was to draw a line in the sand as of the date of this statement by indicating that we are closing all current investigations without prosecution and reiterating that any violation of this rule from today onwards will be prosecuted vigorously and the maximum available sanction sought if the player, coach or team is found guilty," ESIC said.

The esports commission has also put together a series of recommendations for CS:GO tournament organisers that it hopes will tackle the issue of stream-sniping. These include:

- Rules prohibiting the viewing of a CS:GO broadcast should be reviewed and, if necessary, strengthened, republished and notified to all participants.
- The stream broadcast delay should be set to a minimum of three minutes.
- During technical pauses, broadcast streams should not display current round information or include commentary on current round.
- In tier-one tournaments, "every effort should be made" to include live video feeds from the rooms in which the teams are playing, "with as much of the room and the participants covered by video as logistics and practicality allows". Even if the live feed isn't shown, it must be recorded and stored for a minimum of 90 days.
- To prevent the exploitation of a broadcast delay for the purposes of betting fraud by teams, tournament organisers are encouraged to reach "official data" agreements to provide real-time data via a data partner or directly to the esports betting industry.

ESIC Commissioner Ian Smith admitted to being "disappointed" with the level of stream-sniping in Counter-Strike esports, but reiterated the need for a lenient ruling to preserve a scene that has already been rocked by a spectator bug scandal that has already led to the banning of over 30 coaches.

"Our decision not to proceed with prosecutions and our recommendations are born out of pragmatism and the desire for a holistic approach that actually works and has the minimum adverse impact on this important esports community," Mr. Smith said.

"ESIC has fulfilled its purpose to protect esports integrity by acting as we have, but those coaches, players and teams we have given a pass to by this decision have been warned and we are watching them closely. They will not be so fortunate a second time.”

#1
smooya | 
Switzerland x676
omg
2020-12-02 11:06
33 replies
#21
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Germany Effizienz
fuck esic
2020-12-02 11:11
#25
ZywOo | 
India aR__
ESIC NOT COOL D:
2020-12-02 11:13
ESIC won't take action on matchfixing cases despite "widespread" evidence.
2020-12-02 11:38
1 reply
#136
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Pakistan hawrU
It would be stupid to ban almost every team So warning is better to ensure that nobody will try to that same mistake. Coz if they do and get caught nobody knows what will be happening to them after. It could be a 6 month ban for a single match or a muliti year ban for multiple usage.
2020-12-02 14:48
If i was tournament organizer i would stop working with them, whats the point, they are useless, banned bunch of coaches for 1 round usage in 2016, only like a couple of coaches really deserved their bans i think ESL and others should let coaches who used it for 1 round participate in tournaments, it would make CS more interesting, Heroic with HUNDEN, FURIA with guerri, at this point ESIC is just destroying CS scene, banning innocent coaches (like guerri), not banning guilty streamsnipers and matchfixers, because they are scared now they are enforcing their stupid rules to our beloved game like dont talk about the game during pauses, are you serious? i hope casters keep talking about it even more, because ESIC wont do sh*t anyway.. it will be fun to see :) its obvious and clear they are scared to do anything serious, they dont care about cheating or matchfixing, the most they can do is ban few AU semipros to create an imagine like they are doing something useful
2020-12-02 11:58
14 replies
You know that Ian Smith exposed the cricket scene and the involvement of the mafia in it etc? He drew new rules and safeguard there, that's what he is probably trying to do here despite not having the man power and funds. He isn't scared of anything, he just doesn't have the necessary ressources and it's a fucking joke that it's the case. Give him what he needs and you would see how he would swipe the scene lmao.
2020-12-02 12:45
2 replies
yeah sad to see this go unchecked because the money and manpower required costs far more than what will come out of it. With there being far more important cases (like all the throwing and fixing) Hopefully ESIC can grow and stop it someday
2020-12-02 14:36
I will +1 these 2 comments because it seems few people here understand how much ESIC has done with limited funding and staff. I hope Ian Smith will appear on HLTV Confirmed again in the near future (as he did for the coach bug) to give us more insight regarding this specific issue.
2020-12-02 23:22
guerri is not innocent LOL You just believed all the lies he told you despite it being easy to prove wrong. One last time: -He says he did not encounter the bug before the mirage game, that is why he didnt know what to do. This is a lie, since the train game he shows later happened few days before that. There he disconnects after the first round to solve the bug. -He said he was not at his monitor, he was alt+tabbed. The alt+tab part is probably true, but they were live streaming his view on Youtube, so they had all the opportunities to see it on other devices. Guerri is a shitty liar, stop defending him.
2020-12-02 12:52
8 replies
Proof on your takes?
2020-12-02 15:01
5 replies
:D The dates are the proof and guerri's video. youtu.be/W0qwkRoBvwA?t=550 He says he doesnt know how to deal with the bug. Also you can see below the videotitles, that his POV was livestreamed. EDIT: from 11:30 he talk more in detail about the bug. You can also check, that the train match was not live streamed and despite him stating otherwise, there they paused and he disconnected - the bug did not fix itself like he stated. So full of lies and deception. This is the matchpage for mirage hltv.org/matches/2331815/furia-vs-comple.. This is the matchpage for train hltv.org/matches/2331800/furia-vs-lumino.. There are 2 days between the two matches and the train match happened earlier. He had all the time to talk to admins and ask them about this.
2020-12-02 15:28
4 replies
If he lied, he didn't get caught. If you really care, send an email to ESIC with your concerns.
2020-12-02 15:33
2 replies
I responded to several tweets with this. It doesnt really seem to bother people. Eventhough it seems clear as day. Also look at how Furia pushes topmid just after he moves his mouse towards T spawn (10:00). Weird coincidence. ESIC made their decision. They had all the evidence in front of them. I'd contact them, if I thought it can influence anything, but lets be real :D
2020-12-02 15:40
1 reply
If you never try, you can only wonder what could have been. Maybe there's more to it behind the scenes, and it made sense to ESIC. If that is the case, unluko.
2020-12-02 15:44
Fuck guerri
2020-12-02 19:30
He was punished
2020-12-02 17:43
1 reply
Yes, I know, but read what I replied to. "banning innocent coaches (like guerri)"
2020-12-02 18:19
I sort of agree with you on this. ESIC has banned so many coaches for offenses that occurred over 1 year ago for the spectator / coach bug abuse. Yet they won't ban people who stream sniped in the past. This falls under the same category as spectator / coach bug abuse because it's used to gain an unfair advantage on the opponents. I don't understand why ESIC went on a witch hunt for spectator / coach bug abusers, but won't do anything to stream snipers lol. This shows that their witch hunt was pointless. Most of the teams that coaches abused the spectator bug for didn't even make it far in their respective events where the bug abuse(s) occurred except for maybe a handful at most.
2020-12-02 18:41
+1
2020-12-02 23:54
so if we found out 50% of pro players using cheats, we are not going to do anything about it either ? because we would ban 50% of the scene ? nice logic, i mean expected from ESIC, thx for explaining why they still havent banned anyone for matchfixing yet, i guess because its too widespread, now i see
2020-12-02 12:02
2 replies
"Why have you done that for?" "He asked me to" "Oh so if he asks you to jump from the bridge you'll do it too?" "No, malaka, cyprus is GREECE" Nice logic, stream sniping ruins games, but banning Allah knows how many teams over it, even though rightfully would destroy the weak cs ecosystem. That's not the same with cheating, if someone cheats, ban him, don't care how high in the hierarchy he is, prove that 50% of the cs scene cheats and we can talk about it. Until then, go make videos about byali aimlocking in Izako Boars.
2020-12-02 15:30
+1
2020-12-02 23:54
there is already a 5 minute delay, approx. 3 rounds what they are saying is, if there is a tech pause, it could go for like 8-10 minutes, then u can see CURRENT economy, so what they are saying is, TOs should somehow disable it and make impossible to see (for all the viewers) and stop talking about the game, then i think of HLTV scorebot, it should be reworked as well, they are trying to enforce the rules that are not realistic please ESIC go away, stop killing our game
2020-12-02 12:08
8 replies
#93
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Finland JooonsMO
It's impossible to do what you are suggesting. Even if the stream would be stopped immediately when tech pause is called they can still calculate enemy teams economy based on round before. Since everything is online we could just have 10min delays if this is really a problem.
2020-12-02 12:32
2 replies
im not suggesting it, its them creating this new rule, im just saying why its unrealistic and stupid
2020-12-02 13:43
1 reply
#126
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Finland JooonsMO
Easiest and best way is to just make delay longer. Now since all matches are online who cars if delay is 10min. Doesn't make any difference. Until we can have lans again they can think of better solution.
2020-12-02 14:19
"Stop killing our game" What's killing the game are these opportunistic cunts who should be banned. Or would you rather have cheaters run rampant? Dumb comment. Godspeed ESIC
2020-12-02 14:10
2 replies
did u read the article? they refused to ban people cuz everyone was doing it
2020-12-02 18:02
1 reply
alright, I misunderstood what your comment meant. Sorry
2020-12-02 18:04
First of all, they are asking to not show CURRENT IN-GAME FOOTAGE from pauses. You can talk and show past rounds, you can show the caster/analyst table and talk about the match - NOT the current round. Imho that is easy as it gets to implement and should be of no trouble. HLTV scorebot doesnt show economy or positions in-game so it could not matter less. Oh, they know we're in the server and OMG nobody has died on freezetime.. What a surprise. Could you take your head put of your ass, please?
2020-12-03 09:39
1 reply
tf? hltv scorebot shows economy
2020-12-03 09:48
gay
2020-12-02 14:44
1 reply
you and your mother
2020-12-02 14:53
lmao
2020-12-02 11:06
7 replies
ESIC "2FACED" TOLEDO
2020-12-02 11:07
6 replies
#130
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Germany I_car
+1 #FreeHUNDEN No double standards!
2020-12-02 14:24
5 replies
What team do you support?
2020-12-02 15:34
4 replies
#157
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Germany I_car
BIG, Movistar Riders, Astralis, MIBR, Spanish and German teams in general
2020-12-02 15:36
3 replies
All banned for 6 months because of stream sniping. Maybe not Astralis or BuG clan because i can't imagine Xanateres legend cheating.
2020-12-02 15:37
2 replies
#159
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Germany I_car
Movistar Riders definitely didn't stream snipe
2020-12-02 15:38
1 reply
I'm not really fond of Lukas "Worst steel" lopez, but, i can agree with that.
2020-12-02 15:42
#3
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India OOFmiester
RIP
2020-12-02 11:07
nice
2020-12-02 11:07
its over mens
2020-12-02 11:07
based
2020-12-02 11:07
#8
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Singapore Am2de
RIP
2020-12-02 11:07
tldr?
2020-12-02 11:07
26 replies
#12
RpK | 
France pol44r
every1 streamsnipe so no ban for anyone 3 min delay is now mandatory no caster or analyst commentary during tech pause
2020-12-02 11:08
20 replies
#17
Coffee | 
Netherlands p2dr
hltv should hire you
2020-12-02 11:10
1 reply
#24
RpK | 
France pol44r
hahah thx men i hope one day
2020-12-02 11:12
theres AT LEAST 2 round long delay on every stream. assuming betting websites have 0 delay on their scores.
2020-12-02 11:19
3 replies
#35
RpK | 
France pol44r
there is a 1 min delay on LOOT.BET 2 on blast (source:tweets from playerstime)
2020-12-02 11:20
2 replies
On the streams themselves. There's more than just 1 delay. Streams on twitch are ALWAYS at least 2 rounds behind.
2020-12-02 11:22
1 reply
#39
RpK | 
France pol44r
not always,proof being them specifying that 3 min delay is mandatory,you can ask players on their stream also
2020-12-02 11:24
thank you
2020-12-02 11:19
1 reply
#36
RpK | 
France pol44r
np
2020-12-02 11:21
#41
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Finland AkuAnkka69
why no caster or analyst commentary during tech pause?
2020-12-02 11:25
7 replies
#42
RpK | 
France pol44r
i guess since the pauses can be 5-10 min,even with 3 min delay you can hear and listen to the "they are forcebuying" and so
2020-12-02 11:26
6 replies
#49
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Finland AkuAnkka69
Oh, makes sense.
2020-12-02 11:32
#49
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Finland AkuAnkka69
Oh, makes sense.
2020-12-02 11:32
they can just see it how does not talking change anything for the better
2020-12-02 11:35
3 replies
#57
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Australia beavr27
- During technical pauses, broadcast streams should not display current round information or include commentary on current round.
2020-12-02 11:40
2 replies
You can roll back the stream so that accomplishes nothing lol.
2020-12-02 18:43
1 reply
#203
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Australia beavr27
i mean teams can still go back and see the previous round's economy so yeah, but at least you cant just read it off the screen - makes it harder anyway
2020-12-03 04:00
#86
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Denmark Menterx
Nice summary!
2020-12-02 12:14
#94
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Finland JooonsMO
"no caster or analyst commentary during tech pause" That wont solve anything...
2020-12-02 12:34
1 reply
Exactly. That just makes whole viewing experience worse. A let's not forget that without vewiers they would still be playing in basements, because there would be no sponsors.
2020-12-02 16:49
thanks!
2020-12-02 13:09
#22
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Europe Skraj
- They can't be arsed to spend weeks/months to investigate - The issue is so widespread it would severely harm the top scene if they decide to punish the players/teams - Zero tolerance from now on
2020-12-02 11:11
4 replies
ty
2020-12-02 11:18
so if we found out 50% of pro players using cheats, we are not going to do anything about it either ? because we would ban 50% of the scene ? nice logic, i mean expected from ESIC, thx for explaining why they still havent banned anyone for matchfixing yet, i guess because its too widespread, now i see
2020-12-02 12:01
2 replies
its too widespread in t2 and t3+. that's really what happens when you put a bunch of bulgarians and romanians together and you don't even pay them much.
2020-12-02 14:02
#168
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Europe AlL1n
This is already case faceit cached unknown number of pros cheating thay never got published or banned.
2020-12-02 16:11
#10
RpK | 
France pol44r
disgusting behaviour from proffesional paid to play this.
2020-12-02 11:08
#11
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Jordan Zereeni
rip
2020-12-02 11:08
wow
2020-12-02 11:08
nice
2020-12-02 11:09
#15
rain | 
Norway apx222
Thanks ESIC
2020-12-02 11:09
so is ESIC ever gonna drop the fixing scandal or no
2020-12-02 11:09
5 replies
if they have no balls to ban for streamsniping do u think they have balls to ban someone for matchfixing ? apart from irrelevant AU / Esea open NA pros
2020-12-02 11:39
4 replies
It's not about balls really, if it's really widespread then they'd be banning half of the scene? They can't do that, even if they would want to.
2020-12-02 11:55
2 replies
#135
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Germany suriel666
why not? E-Sports "Integrity" and such ..
2020-12-02 14:47
1 reply
Because there will be no esports left if they just ban everybody.
2020-12-02 22:05
It's not about they have no balls or what it's obviously they have no power on doing so. Literally a tiny community-based organisation doing god's work. If we want to really gets into it we need gigantic organisations or companies such as Valve itself to bend the steel. Remember when they change the trade policy 4 years ago in order to counter gambling bots and sites? Such a big move as that for example ~
2020-12-02 11:59
Um... matchfixing cases duh
2020-12-02 11:10
#19
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Croatia mds818
Cs was a lot simpler back in the day...
2020-12-02 11:10
3 replies
Golden years bro.
2020-12-02 11:13
#65
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Russia Jet1k
only cause the community didnt know / care, shit was still going on obviously
2020-12-02 11:50
1 reply
#109
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Croatia mds818
yeah but that's the thing, and frankly why would you care about it... gambling? People who gamble whine on t4 matches as well as on t1 matches, while some might be throwing some teams are just shit...
2020-12-02 13:27
MIBR dodging another bullet.
2020-12-02 11:10
18 replies
#31
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Germany R1AN
navi and vitality too
2020-12-02 11:19
Everyone used this man
2020-12-02 12:49
1 reply
MIBR doesnt even try to hide it
2020-12-02 15:25
#106
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Finland Khroni
wait they were doing it again with this new lineup?
2020-12-02 12:58
8 replies
#115
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Finland ollli
Yeah they were watching the stream yesterday during vs OG lol
2020-12-02 13:44
1 reply
#165
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Finland Khroni
what the fuck was that for 3rd map tho or for the entire series?
2020-12-02 15:57
yea i saw that as well yesterday
2020-12-02 13:55
4 replies
#166
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Finland Khroni
some things just never change i even was starting to like this mibr lineup a bit but i guess theyre just as scummy
2020-12-02 15:57
3 replies
their former lineup was criticized for this shit also. who knows what else shady shit they're doing. maybe taking a shit ton of adderall before matches..
2020-12-02 18:20
2 replies
#183
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Finland Khroni
I wouldn't go that far but the org itself is starting to look pretty bad again because of it
2020-12-02 18:41
1 reply
mibr as an org can do pretty much anything they want, because their fans are obnoxious to their complete lack of ethics. its the stuff you would expect from a country where criminals are robbing banks with military grade weaponry in broad daylight.
2020-12-02 19:03
#151
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Brazil kunkaweb
Probably they already know about this notification, because they were watching the stream without hiding it. youtube.com/watch?v=6TMZbR86XOs Check 43:52 and 51:39 (everytime leo_drk appears you can see the TV with the stream open behind him)
2020-12-02 15:30
#173
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Brazil Soulsix
That's a common practice in online tournaments. Every team does that. That's why ESIC said "wide spread use"
2020-12-02 17:27
5 replies
"Every team does that". Citation needed. MIBR was the only team I know of that was dumb enough to show themselves doing it on stream. On both old and new rosters. But everything checks out.
2020-12-02 17:29
4 replies
#191
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Brazil Soulsix
ESIC said it had an wide spread use among top teams, are you stupid or just dumb?
2020-12-02 20:50
3 replies
No more stupid or dumber than a MIBR fan trying to excuse his own team's actions on the basis of "b-but the other teams used it too!!!". But I suppose you guys are used to it after the numerous fiascos you've had with dead and the washed up trio.
2020-12-03 05:39
2 replies
#209
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Brazil Soulsix
I didnt make any excuse. Even cogu already said it was wrong even tho there was a huge delay. The problem is stupid people using it to be offensive towards mibr and its fans while ESIC stated it was a common practice among top teams. You are using this case as an excuse to spit hate into mibr and its fans.
2020-12-03 12:05
1 reply
Holy projection Batman. It's not my fault that MIBR was caught twice doing it on stream, which is why I brought it up in the first place, although cogu at least apologised unlike dead. Trying to deflect it onto other teams doesn't excuse MIBR's actions at all, which is pretty much the only thing I'm gathering from your replies. I'm not using this as an excuse to spit hate at MIBR's fans, although they're already doing a fine job of generating it themselves.
2020-12-03 16:08
Guarantee you some scumbag T3 org still does it, gets caught and whines about it. Look forward to it.
2020-12-02 11:12
#27
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Mongolia Chuluun
paid off
2020-12-02 11:16
Brazilian CS just dodged a bullet
2020-12-02 11:17
maybe just punish those you KNOW did it and forget about the rest, wtf just letting them do it and do nothing about it? stupid
2020-12-02 11:18
4 replies
They have their hands full wrap on the spectator's bug investigation & now this. I think they emphasized enough on the lack of evidence & almost impossible disabilities to prove the cases not to mention that this has been ages ever since ~ even a lot of people (hltv's judge & detective wannabes) are complaining about the one who committed the offense regarding to the spectator's bug abuses whether who & who's not guilty when obviously they know nothing but at the end of the day it will always be blamed back on ESIC. I'm convinced this is not an exceptional & will be the same from some if not most perspective ~
2020-12-02 11:41
2 replies
I am referring specifically to this sentence: This meant that some potential offenders would "get away with it by luck", while others "faced prosecution and sanctions simply because they were unfortunate enough to be in environments or circumstances where proof is or was available to ESIC." They admit that they HAVE CLEAR EVIDENCE OF PEOPLE DOING IT but because others also may have done it, and they can not review those cases, NO ONE IS PUNISHED. That is fucking stupid.
2020-12-02 12:04
1 reply
I agree with you it's ridiculous but because the lack of evidence & dragging months of investigations on different kind of cases they cant do much off with limited resources. As for the exceptional few who got caught they simply won't be able to do so because it will effect the entirety of the scene & the backlashes they had or still receiving to this days so they simply reset everything & made a new regulation. It's not the most clean conclusion but a sense able one; back to basic restricting the regulations & inforcing new rules but we can't be sure how effective it is in the future.
2020-12-02 12:18
#210
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Brazil Soulsix
yeah let's proceed to ban 90% of top teams and kill our own business very smart indeed
2020-12-03 12:13
ESIC is rseally screwing up their reputation rn
2020-12-02 11:20
bit inconsistent :/
2020-12-02 11:24
1 reply
#40
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Portugal dracø
+1 what a joke lol
2020-12-02 11:25
markE saved
2020-12-02 11:26
2 replies
underrated comment kkkkkk
2020-12-02 12:49
wdym?i dont get it
2020-12-02 15:53
Twitch streams are atleast one round behind the real match right? Then how do they do it?
2020-12-02 11:27
4 replies
you can still track economy
2020-12-02 11:29
#47
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Czech Republic Hoja26
you get the info about how the economy was a few ronds ago and you can abuse patterns that you wouldnt see without the snipe
2020-12-02 11:29
no they are 3 rounds (5 minutes) behind.... u can see on stream, the game is scheduled for 15:00, i open stream, their current time on stream says 14:55 lol.. FLASHPOINT has smaller delay tho, they have like 2 minutes delay (~1 round) Dreamhack ESEA ESL etc (all same company) = 5 minutes = ~3 rounds but these cases go way back behind, when there were little delays, there are clips of C9 coach watching stream for example 1 year ago
2020-12-02 11:43
1 reply
#208
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Denmark Zetix02
Ok thx didn’t know
2020-12-03 09:51
#45
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Czech Republic Hoja26
good, understandable that restrospectively there is a hellalot of it, zero tolerance is nice. wonder how they will enforce it
2020-12-02 11:28
"it would take quite a bit of work." "So we let go everyone, that's fair." AIGGGGGGGGHT So make fkin sure next time it happens the bans will be YEARS long for whole teams. Otherwise you can title whole e-sports "thing" as CLOWN FIESTA.
2020-12-02 11:30
Joke
2020-12-02 11:32
#52
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Greenland ragequitv2
Clown "ESIC" 9
2020-12-02 11:35
#55
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Serbia LtN))
just wtf
2020-12-02 11:38
#58
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Sweden RaaCCooN
Ok
2020-12-02 11:40
Of course
2020-12-02 11:45
#62
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Denmark Zetix02
Why not just put a delay of like 5 minutes on the stream
2020-12-02 11:48
1 reply
there is already a 5 minute delay, approx. 3 rounds what they are saying is, if there is a tech pause, it could go for like 8-10 minutes, then u can see CURRENT economy, so what they are saying is, TOs should somehow disable it and make impossible to see, and stop talking about the game, then i think of HLTV scorebot, it should be reworked as well, they are trying to enforce the rules that are not realistic
2020-12-02 12:06
Honestly, ESIC seems to be full of shit. They don't provide proof but keep throwing around with speculations, that there might be something going on. These guys obviously lack of knowledge and resources and yet manage to be doing harm to the community.
2020-12-02 11:48
3 replies
exactly
2020-12-02 12:04
Veto, did you watch Ian Smith the last time he was on HLTV Confirmed?
2020-12-02 13:30
1 reply
I saw him once on HLTV Confirmed, was there a second time too?
2020-12-02 13:33
#66
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Portugal antCB
esic clowns. 🤡🤡🤡
2020-12-02 11:51
#67
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Denmark Gryde
fucking bs
2020-12-02 11:52
#68
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Panama bakedcs
ez 4 MarKE
2020-12-02 11:53
ESIC are doing a good job.
2020-12-02 11:53
1 reply
good job of doing nothing xD
2020-12-02 12:04
#70
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Vietnam ALLAHTARES
DONT STREAM SHIT IF YOU DON'T WANNA GET SNIPED FFS.
2020-12-02 11:53
#72
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Ukraine GluckFM
So nothing is going to be done in resect of betting houses getting and illegally selling live streams to some teams. Analysts can track that info and signal to coaches/players without any possibility to ever get caught.
2020-12-02 11:55
The outcome sucks but I guess overall it's a decent decision given the situation
2020-12-02 12:04
I get it. There's so much shit to ban players and coaches for. Especially if you go back to the gambling era. I mean we'd probably lose 70% of pros and I mean actual tier 1 pros if all that was going on during the csgolounge days was public. The point here is a lot of coaches who may or may not have been doing this you can't tell because there is no camera and as they said they've already banned like what 35 coaches this year including some tier 1 names. Scene can only take so much and if you can't prove it in half the cases you just go zero tolerance from here on out. It makes sense.
2020-12-02 12:07
#83
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Georgia Megobari
lol
2020-12-02 12:12
#84
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Sweden Dapsinator
Please somone hire Daps to ESIC so he can smack these clowns
2020-12-02 12:12
"its not cheating if everyone does it" csgo slogan
2020-12-02 12:14
3 replies
true as fuck :D
2020-12-02 12:16
#100
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India mangoes
So you want 80% of the cs scene to get banned? Who's gonna play in tournaments then, when most top pros are not allowed to play? If esic enforced these bans then the entire cs scene would die and no one wants that to happen..
2020-12-02 12:49
1 reply
yes. those who aren't cheaters i do
2020-12-02 14:23
So essentially they aren't punishing people that got caught because there are people who didn't get caught therefor it would be unfair on the ones who did get caught? What sort of mental gymnastics bullshit is that? Im now under the belief that the only reason they didn't punish anyone is because it was so widespread that practically every single team took part in it and to release that info would completely and irrevocably destroy the reputation of the pro scene as thats the only thing that makes sense as to why they wouldn't punish anyone.
2020-12-02 12:17
1 reply
Of course that is the case, and they are admitting to it if you read between the lines. Ian Smith exposed the mafia involvement in cricket games in the past and enforced new rules and safeguards. Since he doesn't have the necessary manpower funds and the fact it would destroy the pro scene he has little choice here.
2020-12-02 12:52
useless org anyway
2020-12-02 12:29
Nice scene awesome personalities
2020-12-02 12:31
D:
2020-12-02 12:36
oh yeah-yeah its not like official broadcasts have 2 or even 4 rounds delay? :D if you're talking about live sniping and literally giving up on this - FUCK YOU
2020-12-02 12:49
TL;DR : Too many people are cheating so they wont ban anyone.
2020-12-02 12:50
esic is joke
2020-12-02 12:50
Esic u clowns suck
2020-12-02 12:53
"We found too many bug abusers. If all of them would be penalized, the scene would be dead and the game reputation would be pretty much destroyed" ?
2020-12-02 13:14
2 replies
#120
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Canada GGNORE33
where did you saw that?
2020-12-02 13:53
1 reply
I was kinda being ironic, but the " " doesn't make it clear. In fact i may be accused for using a false quote. I don't want to get banned friends. I just come back for a 3-day time off.
2020-12-02 15:56
#110
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Russia mshkoda
Expected from this clowns
2020-12-02 13:28
Not fair for those that didn't cheat. They should at least publicly expose those that did
2020-12-02 13:30
#116
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Brazil buliolfc
whose coaches got caught doing that? i remember dead only tbh but surely he can't be the only one?
2020-12-02 13:46
2 replies
mibr did this yesterday against og. i saw it live on stream. they had a monitor hooked up on the wall which was the live stream.
2020-12-02 13:57
1 reply
#146
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Brazil kunkaweb
I saw the TV behind the players too. We need to see the clip to check if it was the game stream or another server opened.
2020-12-02 15:11
wtf
2020-12-02 13:50
This is best possible outcome
2020-12-02 13:52
#119
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Canada GGNORE33
You guys from ESIC are a bunch of clowns there...People behind the company are paid to do actions in a different direction. What I mean? well, the MEME "2 faced" toledo means that you are part of it. So you decide to ban coaches from 2016/2017 just because you cannot find anything more or you found but it's from top tier teams and if you take actions against them you will get the slap on your face and most probably you will lose your main financial resource ESL (Since they are contracted to them for EPL and more) Now you decide to not take actions again coz you find something that you SHOULD NOT show to the public just because you will get pushed by their community and you will lose money! Well, you are really a bunch of idiots there. People are not stupid what you did!
2020-12-02 13:52
#123
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Japan Inlivino
what a fucking joke.
2020-12-02 13:58
1 reply
XDDDD Everyone's laughing so it's a good one.
2020-12-02 14:26
bruh
2020-12-02 14:22
OK kekw
2020-12-02 14:23
Csgo Fake scene, thats why i stopped watching it until lan start.
2020-12-02 14:26
#137
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Russia HikZ
fuck esic
2020-12-02 14:51
This isnt good, its fine if it takes a toll on countrr strike if u ban them all, no problem, we’ll start from the beginning, but they should have still revealed the names of those abusing it as well as punished them regardless of wgat it did to the scene.
2020-12-02 14:56
Esic is so fucking useless, don't carring about matchfixers and other obvious things, for which they are paying?Coach bugs?
2020-12-02 14:54
lucky heroic lucky bug
2020-12-02 14:55
ESIC targets easy targets to take the focus off big issues.
2020-12-02 15:05
2 replies
#147
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Canada GGNORE33
damn you said the thing i wanted to! :) So i am not the only one thinking about it.
2020-12-02 15:12
+1
2020-12-02 19:34
#144
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Russia razorVJ
Isn't there a delay on streams?
2020-12-02 15:09
Lost all respect
2020-12-02 15:10
esic so 🤡 🤡 🤡 they make my friend Johna look reputable
2020-12-02 15:16
lets make 30 minutes delay, no one care about streamsniping, braindead company.
2020-12-02 15:32
esic is just another corrupt organisation
2020-12-02 15:33
#167
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Sweden xhamag24
Esic saved the heroic fans this time
2020-12-02 16:02
Fucking joke
2020-12-02 16:51
scum bags. Ban the lot of them. fuck cheaters. If we need to remake from the ground up, CSGO is aging anyway. What a fucking disgrace. Fucking cheaters.
2020-12-02 16:56
I mean you can see the official stream running behind the MIBR and LIQUID players whenever they play... But liquid is shite anyways...so it doesnt matter
2020-12-02 17:23
2 replies
Are there even any fucking rules against having the stream open?
2020-12-02 17:30
1 reply
EVEN if there's a rule there's 0 chance to enforce it. They could just call me on watsap and I tell them whats going on when I watch the game. XD
2020-12-02 19:33
is stream sniping a problem in csgo? you think any caster with a brain would have a stream delay, kind of a non issue tbh.
2020-12-02 17:30
They could at least release the names. So the community can decide on their own. No GOAT work
2020-12-02 18:04
Whatever happened to the NA ESEA MDL Matchfixers? ESIC still hasnt released any of this info whatsoever?
2020-12-02 19:05
5 replies
yeah wtf
2020-12-02 22:10
Does that mean purposely losing?
2020-12-02 23:43
3 replies
Yes, and typically betting on the team youre playing against
2020-12-03 00:16
2 replies
Damn thought ibuypower was last do do that sad that its still happening
2020-12-03 02:44
1 reply
Match fixing is probably at an all time high currently
2020-12-03 14:51
#199
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Poland SebL
I don't like the idea, but it's understandable, ESIC is doing a great job, you have to respect those guys.
2020-12-03 01:31
2 replies
ESIC is actually terrible, they are pretty useless see #187
2020-12-03 14:50
1 reply
#215
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Poland SebL
They are probably working on it, or it didn't happen.
2020-12-03 20:49
Ok so what do you do other than picking your nose all day
2020-12-03 02:49
corruption
2020-12-03 03:40
ESIC "2FACED" TOLEDO
2020-12-03 09:06
lul
2020-12-03 16:09
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