MIBR fined by Flashpoint for "breach of competitive integrity"

Future evidence of a team watching the broadcast during their official match will result in disqualification, the organizer has noted.

Flashpoint has announced that they have handed MIBR a fine for "breach of competitive integrity", which comes as a result of having a television playing the stream of their game against OG in a place visible to the players during the game. The Brazilian side won the series 2-1 and advanced to the upper-bracket semi-final of the event.

For their fine, MIBR will have $10,000 deducted from their Flashpoint 2 prize winnings, which will be donated to a Brazilian charity after the conclusion of the event.

MIBR will be fined for $10,000 for the incident in the match agains OG

The infraction happened on Tuesday, with the team's coach-manager Raphael "⁠cogu⁠" Camargo putting out a statement the next day, stating that he "forgot to turn the stream off during the first match", but did so after a friend messaged him and pointed out the issue.

"Because of the massive delay, I didn't think that this could be a problem", cogu wrote. "After thinking about it, I agree that I did it wrong". The 35-year-old added that "this will never occur again".

On Thursday, following cogu's statement, the tournament commissioner Christopher "MonteCristo" Mykles announced the fine and revealed that despite long delays on the stream which are put in place to limit the information teams can gain from watching the broadcast, Flashpoint "still find MIBR's actions to be a breach of competitive integrity in our event".

In addition, all Flashpoint teams have been notified that any future broadcast-watching infractions will result in disqualification.

MIBR's fine follows ESIC's Tuesday announcement regarding stream-sniping, with the esports watchdog noting that they won't take action on past cases despite "widespread" use, but will enforce a zero-tolerance stand from that point onward.

Brazil Raphael 'cogu' Camargo
Raphael 'cogu' Camargo
Age:
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Rating 1.0:
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Maps played:
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KPR:
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DPR:
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APR:
0.11
New line-up but still cheating lul
2020-12-03 19:32
37 replies
"Because of the massive delay, I didn't think that this could be a problem"
2020-12-03 19:34
25 replies
Can still track economy, setup, stats etc. Disgusting.
2020-12-03 19:35
24 replies
nt
2020-12-03 19:36
8 replies
are u from brasil?
2020-12-03 19:37
7 replies
nah I just like how mibr had to find players in a rush but are still doing well
2020-12-03 19:37
6 replies
Good for them,but they need to not do things like this when the previous team already did a lot of bs things.
2020-12-03 20:54
5 replies
+1 This is not only hurting MIBR as an org, but after the previous MIBR team's fall from hero to zero, it makes the entire Brazilian CS scene look bad. They need to use their brains and stop.
2020-12-03 21:08
2 replies
Hahaha flashpoint is pathetic, they can't even afford to disqualify mibr because all other teams rejected them And 10k fine is less than salary for one player, the fine should have been 100k in my opinion
2020-12-03 21:09
#315
trk | 
Brazil bruxo!
have you ever watched a gaules stream? Im pretty sure they did not use it to get any advantage
2020-12-04 17:09
Lost all respect for mibr
2020-12-03 21:10
1 reply
Lost it since 1 year or so
2020-12-04 00:12
clips.twitch.tv/InventiveHonestPrariedog.. can this also be considered sniping? i know players directly cant see this, but it is possible that they are still getting info through someone
2020-12-03 19:39
1 reply
that's true but i don't think esl will bother with it
2020-12-03 19:43
#75
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Brazil kise217
even nova 4 can know when it will be an eco, forced or armed. maybe u cant
2020-12-03 19:41
6 replies
im nova 3
2020-12-03 19:42
3 replies
Thought u were expert?
2020-12-03 20:02
2 replies
i am
2020-12-03 20:03
Expert with nova 3 knowledge
2020-12-03 20:36
Not the same as knowing what position CTs played in a round where you didn't encounter them, at exactly what cues/points they rotate, etc. But what could one expect from such an org.
2020-12-03 21:47
But you cant always tell what rotation the cts did or what execute exactly the t side did. Not trying to imply that mibr did this on purpose or were trying to use it, just when youre playing professionally for 1m prizepool you cant have that going on surely
2020-12-04 10:26
flashpoint streaming has 3 minutes delay and dreamhack 5 but ok xd
2020-12-03 19:43
4 replies
thats like 2 rounds and if you call a tech break, you can basically see the buy for next round. Anyway, you can always see the setups and strats they used rounds prior.
2020-12-03 19:44
#286
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Georgia Xeeh
Seeing setups from multiple rounds ago can still be helpful in future rounds
2020-12-04 04:10
2 replies
#309
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Brazil BrokeN35
So true. You can find a patern in plays and movement.
2020-12-04 11:26
1 reply
#312
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Georgia Xeeh
Yeah for example a team could stack 4 ppl at bombsite A every round to prevent a rush, then scatter around and play default if no rush happens. If the enemy team is playing slow they would never know this happened. Seeing this can let them know they could full rush B asap and kill the 1 guy and get an easy round win
2020-12-04 13:25
It wasnt their game, but dignitas x other team
2020-12-03 19:57
cheating?
2020-12-03 19:35
2 replies
No, but by mistake I guess.
2020-12-03 19:42
Not really but I think that should be banned even if its pretty impossible to enforce it if they dont have an admin where they play. You could easily have a video coach watching the stream and reporting the info.
2020-12-03 21:35
2 coaches cheating ... in a row ..
2020-12-03 19:45
1 reply
they werent watching, if they were, they would be disqualified brother
2020-12-03 19:54
german talking about cheating whith teams likes big XDDDDD all people know inferno bug
2020-12-03 20:46
2 replies
so what? big used the bug, so did all the other teams back then. they got critizised and never used a bug since then, brazil keeps getting fined for that shit and doesn't learn from their mistakes.
2020-12-04 08:05
What a stupid comparison. Using the bug was totally fine and not against the rules.
2020-12-04 10:02
i mean, they have a confirmed cheater, what did you expect ? fair play ?yeah sure, probably vsm is calling people behind walls
2020-12-03 23:45
before the SA / NA teams went to Europe, the EU fans said that the teams from other regions were not even at tier 2 level in Europe, what is the excuse now? They will continue to classify teams from outside the EU as rubbish or accept that are no better than teams from other regions ?before the SA / NA teams went to Europe, the EU fans said that the teams from other regions were not even at tier 2 level in Europe, what is the excuse now? They will continue to classify teams from outside the EU as rubbish or accept that are no better than teams from other regions ?
2020-12-04 19:00
#2
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Turkey chrlea
WHAT
2020-12-03 19:33
#3
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Finland Cucumber))
LOL
2020-12-03 19:33
#4
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Namibia KhT
stating that he "forgot to turn the stream off during the first match"
2020-12-03 19:35
4 replies
“Conveniently” forgot
2020-12-03 20:42
3 replies
u know who he is ? guy is a legend he don't need to lie about shit like that, it's 100% possible that he forgot about it, nothing really serious.
2020-12-03 23:23
1 reply
So why didnt he turn it off?. U could see it during the whole match on 1 of the players camera
2020-12-04 08:59
kkkkkkkkkkkk
2020-12-03 19:33
#6
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Germany 21_Savage
AHAHAHAHAHAH
2020-12-03 19:33
#7
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Panama FUN4ENCE
xaxaxaxaxaxa
2020-12-03 19:33
#8
Xeppaa | 
Germany w7tv
why post during match wtf hltv is so ddd
2020-12-03 19:33
4 replies
Sometimes it actually seems like hltv is biased against brazil
2020-12-03 20:04
2 replies
like for views right
2020-12-03 20:06
1 reply
#291
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Australia zanics
they did it for twitch chat we loved it
2020-12-04 04:51
blame Flashpoint, not hltv wtf is wrong with u
2020-12-03 21:09
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
2020-12-03 19:33
what the fuck
2020-12-03 19:33
#12
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Sweden Zolity
wierd because there wasnt a rule against it IMO
2020-12-03 19:34
8 replies
Was there a rule against matchfixing ? After 5+ years they are still banned from valve sponsored events
2020-12-03 19:36
7 replies
We dunno. I guess that every tournament forbids matchfixing.
2020-12-03 19:39
1 reply
So does stream sniping Its an issue way before the corona starts Also.there was no rule for match fixing at that time I was just pointing it out I never said it should be allowed or anything
2020-12-03 19:42
+1
2020-12-03 19:41
4 replies
#105
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Brazil FERRAZZZ
Liquid and Vitality both with live stream a lot on their previous matches. What the difference here? I think IMO sometimes you should keep your mouth shut. Cogu was trying to do the right thing and and he said it before the fine.
2020-12-03 19:45
3 replies
Relax my g. Am just here to support that there didnt need to be a rule against stream sniping for the TO to take action now.
2020-12-03 20:41
2 replies
#198
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Brazil FERRAZZZ
kid? kekw I`ll stop here
2020-12-03 20:38
1 reply
Sorry bout that. Was thinking of something else.
2020-12-03 20:42
once again mibr cheating LUL
2020-12-03 19:34
4 replies
3 replies
#292
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Europe Vallon4
mad mad mad
2020-12-04 05:10
How am I biased if that's Vitality and I'm a Liquid fan?
2020-12-04 20:58
1 reply
ppl making a storm in a cup of water. IMO seems to be a inherited anger against MIBR because they are toxic. loud. bad fanbase... anyway, mibr was punished just because cogu, the coach, admited on twitter that he left the screen on. well liquid and vitality also did that some matches but no one admited anything. In reality if you see the footage not even a second any of these teams or coaches were worried about the stream. what probably happened was that both MIBR and flashpoint agreed that since cogu lifted the issue flashpoint HAD to do something. but this is not a real issue and is very easy to dicern from the tournaments point of view, they have better info and can decide if there was cheat better than us. it is not a real issue since we know of 3 teams that did that and no one bothered to complain, not even their opponents wich in teory were affected.
2020-12-05 04:27
#14
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Spain G3CK0
Brazilians and competitive integrity breaches? Nah
2020-12-03 19:34
kkkkkkkkkkkkkk xiters
2020-12-03 19:34
BRA71L
2020-12-03 19:34
5 replies
The only indian that had a big name was a cheater so idk why are you saying sh.t
2020-12-03 20:44
4 replies
dont try and put a bad name on us indians us till have to deal with the fact that ur country threatened to kill a 16 yr old boy
2020-12-03 21:39
3 replies
damn.. a country sending out death threats maybe were not so different from china afterall
2020-12-03 21:54
2 replies
BRA71L
2020-12-03 23:55
1 reply
Bra5mundialzil
2020-12-04 05:27
#17
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Hungary szia
MAN WHAT THE FUCK AHAHAHAHA LOL
2020-12-03 19:34
#19
wiz | 
United States Dugaid
damn dude
2020-12-03 19:34
10000 IQ Charity donation
2020-12-03 19:34
#21
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France Uexo
AHAHAHAHAH
2020-12-03 19:34
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2020-12-03 19:34
#23
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United States dangalange
MIBR still cheating HAHAHAHAHA. 0 integrity org evidently
2020-12-03 19:35
14 replies
#34
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United States dangalange
BR fans also crying every team cheating when MIBR cheats every chance they get LOL
2020-12-03 19:36
m.twitch.tv/clip/InventiveHonestPrariedo.. Vitality cheating HAHAHAHA 0 integrity org evidently
2020-12-03 22:55
12 replies
The context is also entirely different that tv isnt even in the same room and facing every players back. look at the clip of mibr, cogu is literally pointing at the tv and other players turn to look. context matters. xaxaxaxa mibr xiters xaxaxaxaxa. nice try though moron
2020-12-03 23:01
10 replies
U know that the Coach can look at it?
2020-12-04 09:02
9 replies
and again, find me a clip of that happening, because i was watching the game where that clip came from and never saw him look at it, so go ahead and find me a clip
2020-12-04 17:31
8 replies
are u stupid? Why would they show a clip of coach looking at stream. That would be the most retarded thing u can do. Its like saying "yea we watched the stream also".
2020-12-04 17:33
7 replies
hey moron, theres a clip of the tv that they arent looking at thats going around as "evidence" look at the mibr clip they just got fined for, you are an idiot.
2020-12-04 17:35
6 replies
hahah. So vitality are playing in glass box and outside that box there is a tv with stream. Isnt that a little bit stupid or they just dont care about getting caught.
2020-12-04 17:36
5 replies
you realize they play in a facility where other members, like managers are there right? or has that not dawned upon you? mibr play in a little box with a tv for all of them to see by turning their shoulders, which they all did
2020-12-04 17:38
4 replies
Then why does vitality have a stream on TV outside their glassbox wich is even visiable when ur watching the stream. Stream doesnt show where coach is looking in mid round. Only shows coach padding the backs of players when they win/lose rounds...
2020-12-04 17:42
3 replies
hmmmm let's use some critical thinking skills since you cant seem to be able to do that. That's what management is watching, not standing in the same room as all the players +coach in a glass box with at least 5 computers, which is going to be hot.
2020-12-04 17:45
2 replies
if they put a curtian on that glass box i wouldnt say a thing. But having a TV running 3 meters from u is fishy. Im not saying that they did it, its just fishy how staff didnt even mentioned them. For MIBR i know since arT had a TV litteraly 30cm above him and like u said he only had to turn the shoulder.
2020-12-04 17:47
1 reply
Yes, in hindsight probably not the best idea just because of how it looks out of context. I really dont see them doing it maliciously, mainly because they hadn't abused coach bug or stream sniped like MIBR, who has done both...
2020-12-04 17:53
find me a clip of them staring at the tv like mibr players, you wont because they arent cheating shitters like MIBR
2020-12-03 23:01
#25
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Estonia qoznyyy
LoL
2020-12-03 19:35
#26
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Canada dAnk7
BRA71L
2020-12-03 19:35
hahahahaha
2020-12-03 19:35
Classic MIBR...
2020-12-03 19:35
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2020-12-03 19:35
Commissioner James Gordon
2020-12-03 19:35
#33
EliGE | 
Poland Roxin
What the actual fuck
2020-12-03 19:36
hahahhaha , again brasil.. how many times you gonna do that
2020-12-03 19:36
6 replies
5 replies
maybe it not even the same game? and the coach not watching
2020-12-03 22:55
2 replies
Saying "maybe" means that u already have doubts and u arent sure that coach didnt watch it. The camera isnt focused on the Coach and he could have looked it at any time.
2020-12-04 09:04
1 reply
coachs stand up behinds.. you would have to be stupid to put the stream just behind the players if you want to cheat.. also vitality never used coach bug so here it s clearly not for getting any advantage, like i said maybe it s not even the same game.. and it s someone esle wtahcing a stream in a other room
2020-12-04 11:29
#281
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United States Zysyphian
Different situation, and using another team doesn't justify the bs from yours
2020-12-04 01:32
1 reply
true
2020-12-04 02:27
nice of flashpoint to donate it to a charity instead of just keeping it to themselves
2020-12-03 19:36
#37
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Finland H0rnPub
disqualify them ffs
2020-12-03 19:36
3 replies
Flair checks out
2020-12-03 20:44
2 replies
#219
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Turkey ZaTaa
Flag checks out
2020-12-03 20:56
1 reply
nothing checks out
2020-12-04 05:30
WTF
2020-12-03 19:36
COME TO BRAZIL FLASHPOINT
2020-12-03 19:36
#44
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxeh
what can they gain from watching the stream tho? pretty sure they can calculate enemies economy without watching a delayed stream lol
2020-12-03 19:37
17 replies
This.
2020-12-03 19:39
8 replies
It's still cheating, you can gather information about what pos players play in, economy, if enemy pushed for info etc etc etc...
2020-12-03 19:41
7 replies
You dont know what posittions a 1 year roster plays???
2020-12-03 19:45
6 replies
... as in accurate positions. If you smoke people's spots (like coffins in inferno) you can comfortably predict where the player will move to if you see what he does on previous rounds, no?
2020-12-03 19:46
5 replies
you can get this exactly information in demos
2020-12-03 20:05
4 replies
#220
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United Kingdom galaxyv2
live game > demo
2020-12-03 20:57
wdym you really think a live game is worse info than a demo? are you actually serious?
2020-12-03 21:12
2 replies
u have any research on what's better? p.s. i dont fucking say what's worse can you please read the text?
2020-12-03 22:35
1 reply
you can definitely see many things in demos, but most top teams slightly vary their setups and strategies for this reason. Also it can be hard to tell what strat they run and how to counter it if you just get smashed by it. But if you can see exactly what they did its way better than guessing if it was this one thing you saw watching their demo.
2020-12-04 10:36
long tech pause, stream catches up
2020-12-03 19:40
1 reply
THEN?
2020-12-03 22:18
exactly? That's advantage enough. And they can actively see if they did a fake what the opposing side did during the round when they faked
2020-12-03 19:41
rotations? unoticed pushes? Coach can watch this and say to his guys to except some aggression that the opponent did rounds before
2020-12-03 19:41
2 replies
#98
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxeh
true, but imo it would confuse the team more to focus on the enemies playstyle rather than focus on ur own game
2020-12-03 19:44
1 reply
#168
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Slovakia Daev0n
They can exploit mistakes that they can't identify while in game. For example awper getting a pick on banana and not rotating to A based off of that, is a rarity, which can be seen in the stream. And can be used against the team later on.
2020-12-03 20:11
and he can see HLTV to track economy, thats have lower delay and is more safe, so this dont make any sense
2020-12-03 19:43
#287
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Georgia Xeeh
You can see the setups the enemy team started with every round, how they rotated and reacted to various things as well. It's pretty dumb to think you don't get an advantage to seeing previous round setups
2020-12-04 04:13
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk doing it again
2020-12-03 19:37
My name is MIBR LUL We cheat every day LUL but if we don't win LUL isn't that okay? LUL
2020-12-03 19:37
LOOOOOOL
2020-12-03 19:37
Well done Flashpoint.
2020-12-03 19:37
AHAHAHAHAHAH
2020-12-03 19:38
not only mibr coach cheating KEKW
2020-12-03 19:38
LOL
2020-12-03 19:38
#54
Coffee | 
Netherlands p2dr
clip?
2020-12-03 19:38
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk ex-cheater on the team, and they cheat during the matches now kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2020-12-03 19:39
liquid? they had a stream running behind the players as well, but liquid = trash, so no one cares
2020-12-03 19:39
2 replies
#70
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Brazil FERRAZZZ
Liquid and Vitality as well. I saw multiple times
2020-12-03 19:40
1 reply
"Flashpoint"
2020-12-03 20:09
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ohh god I love the irony...
2020-12-03 19:39
5 replies
bias clips.twitch.tv/InventiveHonestPrariedog.. bias. punish vitality too
2020-12-03 22:42
4 replies
we will see what is going to happend now, rules are for everyone
2020-12-03 22:49
doesnt excuse what MIBR did WTF?????
2020-12-04 21:03
2 replies
ppl making a storm in a cup of water. IMO seems to be a inherited anger against MIBR because they are toxic. loud. bad fanbase... anyway, mibr was punished just because cogu, the coach, admited on twitter that he left the screen on. well liquid and vitality also did that some matches but no one admited anything. In reality if you see the footage not even a second any of these teams or coaches were worried about the stream. what probably happened was that both MIBR and flashpoint agreed that since cogu lifted the issue flashpoint HAD to do something. but this is not a real issue and is very easy to dicern from the tournaments point of view, they have better info and can decide if there was cheat better than us. you are right, does not excuse MIBR but it also shows that it is not a real issue since we know of 3 teams that did that and no one bothered to complain, not even their opponents wich in teory were affected. well...
2020-12-05 04:03
idk
2020-12-05 04:04
good course of action
2020-12-03 19:39
#61
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Brazil FERRAZZZ
I already saw many times Vitality team with live stream on TV while they were playing in the same room. Sometimes I think you have to keep ur mouth shut (cogu said it yesterday).
2020-12-03 19:39
3 replies
right because vitality is in flashpoint
2020-12-03 19:49
There's a difference with a stream playing in another room behind the players and players/coach watching the stream all match long.
2020-12-03 20:01
#187
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Finland Khroni
Flashpoint isnt the same as ESL events thats not for FP to decide They can decide on this instance as it was clearly caught in a match for their event, if ESL has the Vitality case brought to their attention they will deal with it how they please
2020-12-03 20:22
#63
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Brazil wololo10
Expected
2020-12-03 19:40
BR stream sniping LUL
2020-12-03 19:40
clips.twitch.tv/InventiveHonestPrariedog.. can this also be considered sniping? i know players directly cant see this, but it is possible that they are still getting info through someone
2020-12-03 19:40
4 replies
esl will determine it amongst themselves. btw i don't know how to hide flag
2020-12-03 19:43
2 replies
set your flag as Andorra, and it works only on chrome desktop afaik
2020-12-03 19:44
1 reply
hmm I swear I've seen Andorra here before and I've always used chrome new bug PogU
2020-12-03 19:45
True they should get fined for that actually
2020-12-03 19:44
Its a fair punishment, but people act like they were the only ones doing that, i remember watching Vitality player cams in a prev tournament and they were doing the exact same thing, a TV in the background with the game livestream, there could be more but thats just from what i know
2020-12-03 19:40
2 replies
#110
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Russia Jet1k
10k fine for an org that can pay its players more than 10k a month is not fair at all. also, everyone here over 50 iq and not baiting would react the same way if any other team had this situation
2020-12-03 19:46
1 reply
its fair because teams were doing it and not getting any kind of punishment, which is reasonable since theres not a feasible way to inspect each players surroundings and if they are getting info from stream or not, so this was not only a punishment but also a warning to mibr and everyone else
2020-12-03 20:01
Disgusting. A fine of 10k isn't enough by any means.
2020-12-03 19:40
3 replies
ok forsaken country
2020-12-03 19:44
2 replies
Did I defend him? I didn't attack your country you moron, I'm just disappointed that the new MIBR seems as scummy as the previous one.
2020-12-03 19:55
1 reply
oh, sry, rly
2020-12-03 19:56
#71
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United States notawaffle
XITERS KEKW
2020-12-03 19:40
#72
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United Kingdom DDoubleE
KKKKKKKKK XITERS! Brazilians laughing when Chaos disbands because they are "Xiters" and now MIBR Xiters KKKKKKKKKKKK
2020-12-03 19:40
2 replies
Uk showing the "good education"
2020-12-03 20:45
1 reply
#209
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United Kingdom DDoubleE
2020-12-03 20:47
#80
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Finland Kunumesh
God damn... Brazil never disappoints. Cmon 3rd world, be legit or you'll never be taken seriously. What a bunch of degenerates.
2020-12-03 19:42
1 reply
Degenerate is you who keep doing free hate and I say more, the vast majority of users of hltv are a bunch of hypocrites like you, who only know how to see things on the one hand and not in their entirety, so many guys that I saw that complain about Brazilians being "toxic" they are toxic not only with Brazilians, but often with the people of NA and CIS, I think that in my life I never saw so many idiotic and arrogant people (including some Brazilians, who also act in the same way as you do, but for the BR scenario, and honestly i hate people who keep making memes and belittling/hating other scenarios/teams) gathered in one place
2020-12-04 18:59
"Because of the massive delay, I didn't think that people would consider watching the official broadcast cheating"
2020-12-03 19:42
br kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2020-12-03 19:42
1 reply
ASIA KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
2020-12-03 19:45
they cheated again? what a fucking joke
2020-12-03 19:42
when you think brasil cant get more disgusting mibr players always show up
2020-12-03 19:43
LMAO WHAT A JOKE First dead now cogu cheats
2020-12-03 19:43
1 reply
no man, cogu dont make this for cheat, dead is cheating, but cogu... i hate dead, i hate old mibr, but cogu wont make this, if he wants to see economy just watch HLTV.org
2020-12-03 19:46
Where is Gaules where there are real cheaters?
2020-12-03 19:44
expected from cheating MIBR, they have no integrity
2020-12-03 19:44
If this is true then it kinda tells you that the cheater in this team has always been kng.
2020-12-03 19:45
3 replies
#117
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Brazil FERRAZZZ
hey, do not do that bro. You know nothing. ps: I saw vitality and liquid both with live stream opened while playing. But.. IMO sometimes you should be quiet and keep ur mouth shut.. cogu didnt.. he said it before the fine.
2020-12-03 19:48
2 replies
"If this is true" Never claimed to know anything. But if it were to be true then there are 2 cheaters in mibr now =] After losing dead they had to get their crown back.
2020-12-03 20:00
cant believe how many times ive seen this but what liquid and vitality does will not excuse what MIBR did so u can stop spamming it
2020-12-04 21:05
#103
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Germany hswe_jk
DISQUALIFY CHEATERS
2020-12-03 19:45
6 replies
Ok, so why PGL dont disqualify BIG abusing the Jump BUG?
2020-12-03 19:46
5 replies
#250
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Germany hswe_jk
theres a difference between stream sniping and bug abuse bug abuse like fnc 2015 = forfeight match stream snipe = should disqualify
2020-12-03 22:09
3 replies
ok, you r right, but cogu is a good person, he didnt want to cheat, but DEAD, i fucking hate dead
2020-12-03 22:24
2 replies
#259
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Germany hswe_jk
im not sure if he didnt want to cheat but i agree on the dead part))
2020-12-03 22:38
1 reply
cogu is a good person, trust me, but the dead is the most disgusting type of person. He even lied after he was banned, lying against every possible evidence, unlike the Cogu who apologized and said he would never do the same again.
2020-12-04 11:57
Because it was not against the rules?
2020-12-04 10:06
#107
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Brazil Soulsix
BabyRage MOM BR IS CHEATING BabyRage
2020-12-03 19:45
1 reply
0/8
2020-12-03 19:47
can't even go 2 months
2020-12-03 19:46
On one hand so many coaches cheated with spectate bug . On a other hand VSM/mibr want VSM to be unbanned so he really shouldn´t be shown doing stuff like this.
2020-12-03 19:46
Wasn't every team doing that?
2020-12-03 19:47
mate how do you even get caught doing that lmaooo
2020-12-03 19:48
REMOVE BRA71LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
2020-12-03 19:48
1 reply
Flair checks out
2020-12-03 20:46
Nothing wrong tbh , 2-3 rounds delay won't do you any favours.
2020-12-03 19:48
LUL
2020-12-03 19:48
Nice marketing move from Flashpoint before the playoffs
2020-12-03 19:48
Brazilians and cheating, name a better duo kkkkkkkkkkkk
2020-12-03 19:48
5 replies
jermans and bug abuse
2020-12-03 20:13
4 replies
3 replies
this is old mibr, and i am used to hate old mibr
2020-12-03 20:16
2 replies
Speaking of "oLd MiBr" Tabsen is the only player left in big from this time and unlike u no jermen defended them.
2020-12-03 20:26
1 reply
ok, u r right, but man, i am fan of this BIG clan, syrson is nutz
2020-12-03 20:48
#125
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Australia lo0u
MIBR is a fucking joke. Brazilians cry all the time about cheating and accuse others of doing it, but have absolutely no integrity and no credibility on the matter.
2020-12-03 19:50
Why are Brazilians such cheaters?
2020-12-03 19:49
lmao what is this shit
2020-12-03 19:50
Lol imagine thinking having a stream open that has 5minutes delay is cheating Europoors getting desperate
2020-12-03 19:50
3 replies
everything besides flair checks out LMAO
2020-12-03 19:52
1 reply
+1 xD
2020-12-03 20:03
nice flag
2020-12-04 09:57
br always cheating
2020-12-03 19:52
Imagine if ESIC took action on cases already. Vitality would have to cough up a shit ton in fines, not to mention others....
2020-12-03 19:53
#135
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Poland SebL
They need to get punished, 10k is not much, but good that they give it to charity, nice from FLASHPOINT.
2020-12-03 19:55
I don't know what is the difference between what mibr did and vitality or liquid does with a big monitor in front? Anyone throw some light on me
2020-12-03 19:56
1 reply
you should ask esl why they haven't penalized vitality
2020-12-04 09:59
expected
2020-12-03 19:58
they should be disqualified straigh ahead... even if there was a round-2 delay... u pretty much could see how certain strats/default are building up, pause, and create a counter strat to gain some rounds advantage... what a cheap thing to do
2020-12-03 20:01
Imagine the outrage if it was against br dogs... 0 respect for dogs
2020-12-03 20:02
LULW
2020-12-03 20:03
#152
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Canada Droidd
doesn't the stream have a delay? i mean i don't think this should be allowed or anything but did it benefit them from having this other than seeing economy in previous rounds?
2020-12-03 20:03
3 replies
#163
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Brazil angryyyy
yeah, ppl are just malding :P
2020-12-03 20:08
#223
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Japan tatsumi
think of it this way. imagine if 100t were streamsniping against furia in that bo5 match against furia where they did that boost. let’s say one round they went B when furia did the boost the first time. even tho the boost had no impact that round 100t could’ve seen the boost and therefore they would go to the next round with knowledge of the boost. yuurih wouldn’t have gotten that 4k and 100t wouldn’t have gotten so tilted
2020-12-03 21:05
1 reply
#249
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Canada Droidd
yeah but if there's a delay they wouldn't have known about the boost in real time
2020-12-03 22:06
#154
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Canada GGNORE33
hahahahh Now we can see why ESIC didn't take any punishments for teams coz some of top names and orgs are in there :) 10$k ITS NOTHING! :) they take at least 30k$ per month per player! :)
2020-12-03 20:04
You can't make this shit up LMAO
2020-12-03 20:04
Should be disqualified or match result reverted instead of fining them for as little as 10k
2020-12-03 20:06
#159
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Hungary raffai
what the hell xDDDDDDD
2020-12-03 20:06
Dirty cheaters as always
2020-12-03 20:08
#161
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Hungary szia
My name is MIBR We cannot win Our coach is a cheater and our skin is thin So don't make joke Don't disrespect Remember the majors but don't demo inspect
2020-12-03 20:08
1 reply
#171
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Canada Droidd
BARS
2020-12-03 20:11
#162
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Czech Republic imotfhere
typical brazil axaxaaxaxaxaxa
2020-12-03 20:08
brazilian mindset
2020-12-03 20:08
brazil and cheating, name a more iconic duo
2020-12-03 20:08
what about other teams?
2020-12-03 20:09
color me shocked. On another note how are these mofos still in FP now then playing vs Fnatic. Get rid of these cheating fuckers.
2020-12-03 20:11
#170
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Brazil Exfm
Apparently cogu is watching the stream again right now... lol DQ incoming
2020-12-03 20:11
4 replies
#172
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Canada Droidd
sources?
2020-12-03 20:12
3 replies
#173
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Brazil Exfm
Just watch the stream its right there live
2020-12-03 20:12
2 replies
#176
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Canada Droidd
no way someone is that stupid
2020-12-03 20:14
#192
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Finland Khroni
clip because i dont see anything in the cams this time?
2020-12-03 20:28
#175
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Slovakia Daev0n
Everyone shitting on MIBR but noone talking about the good approach Flashpoint had regarding this issue. They even donate the money to a charity. Kudos to you Flashpoint.
2020-12-03 20:13
Why always MIBR?? Why? goat Cheaters not GOAT
2020-12-03 20:14
1 reply
IS IT BECAUSE WE FROM BRAZIL
2020-12-03 21:25
#180
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Ukraine McSwell
Lost all respect to this team.
2020-12-03 20:15
RACISTAS!!!!!
2020-12-03 20:15
cheatIBR lmao
2020-12-03 20:16
“Forgot to turn off” Ah yeah you’re an amateur u forget these things.. oh wait 😂😂😂😂 LMFAOOO get rekt bish
2020-12-03 20:16
MIBR true cheater org kkkkkkkk cant even count all the controversies with them
2020-12-03 20:20
This team is just so pathetic. A professional team acts like some high school kids who plays video games in the basement or something. "Yah we just forgot things". They seriously need to clean up their acts.
2020-12-03 20:25
#190
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Europe b7ack0ut
HAHAHAHAHAH
2020-12-03 20:26
again cheating LUL
2020-12-03 20:27
Krimz from fnatic got vac ban and still normaly playing. MIBR cant see the streaming while playing and will be puhisned What a nosense situation.
2020-12-03 20:31
What to expect from that team? Might be a big brand name, but doesn't chance the team itself. 10.000$ is way to easy no matter what the delay was. They try to get an advantage over the enemy team and that's very uncool, should be disqualified right away.
2020-12-03 20:31
3 replies
Omfg read the article retarded That was an accident
2020-12-03 20:47
1 reply
Yea of course, but awesome that you just confirming what everyone thinks about brazilians, no arguemnts, just insulting.
2020-12-03 21:24
yeah 10k is a joke considering it's a 1 million prize pool
2020-12-03 21:38
STILL CHEATING LUL
2020-12-03 20:32
ABSOLUTELY DISGRACEFUL GODDAMN CHEATERS
2020-12-03 20:44
What about lans when you can hear the crowd and casters?When lans resume every tournament should have to use sound proof booths so players can't hear the crowd and casters, hearing the crowd and casters is just as bad, giving players an advantage.
2020-12-03 20:46
Different for what went with dead, this time I believe in cogu (that he was watching the game before and forgot to turn the TV off). Cogu, to me, looks like a fair player who wouldn’t do this. He made a statement about this issue ureteral, before Flashpoint decide to fine the team. It was a good action by him. Anyway, stream sniping is almost impossible to forbid during the online era. Liquid and Vitality did it as well on camera, and if someone wants to gather information from streams is simple, just turn the camera the other way. Not that I think it’s something cool to do, but I bet everyone does it or did it at least once, even if it wasn’t intentional
2020-12-03 20:48
cheater
2020-12-03 20:54
ALWAYS BRAZIL CHEATING WTF!!
2020-12-03 20:55
LMAO
2020-12-03 20:57
#222
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Brazil Gaiolero
If they were doing this on purpose they would hide the screen, you guys understimate brazilian's power to cheat on stuff. XD
2020-12-03 20:59
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA EXPECTED FROM BRA71L KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
2020-12-03 21:13
its always the coaches man
2020-12-03 21:14
come on...
2020-12-03 21:19
LOOOOOOOL
2020-12-03 21:25
#235
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Serbia LtN))
expected ofc they must cheat, regardless they would be totally irrelevant
2020-12-03 21:30
#236
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Serbia LtN))
Why didn't those fucking cheaters get banned or disqualified?
2020-12-03 21:31
They are just playing super hyped and full of energy, the TV was a blur to them. Anybody who has ever done something at full energy knows how everything else fades.
2020-12-03 21:33
#242
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Brazil hugoooo
LMAO this bullshit again... if there is a lot of delay why can't people turn it on? How can a team have any advantage by watching the match with one round of delay?
2020-12-03 21:47
6 replies
You really dont see benefits?
2020-12-03 21:49
1 reply
#270
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Brazil hugoooo
Tell us, make a list pls
2020-12-03 22:59
Not like you can figure out next rounds buy or strats based on the buy. Especially if you "TECHTICAL PAUSE"
2020-12-03 21:56
1 reply
#269
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Brazil hugoooo
But they already know the buy of the enemy on the previous round because the round was already played!
2020-12-03 22:59
5 mins delay is okay, but 1 round is not. U can see where they were before etc etc. Setup etc etc
2020-12-03 22:12
1 reply
#268
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Brazil hugoooo
I'm supposing it is 1 round but people said it is 5min
2020-12-03 22:58
No surprise here. You can see how MIBR predicted OG positions, now you know why. Streamsniping KEKW
2020-12-03 21:48
Typical br at it again
2020-12-03 21:56
In my opinion the only reason the delay is there is to make it impossible to gain real advantage by watching it while playing. Advantage by seeing economy and setups? I`m not saying that MIBR players are insane players, because they arent, but believe me, they know how to read economy and to understand the setup that the enemy team used on the last round.
2020-12-03 22:02
This is number one bs.
2020-12-03 22:20
The overreaction of all the hltv kids here...... Seriously, it gives 0 advantage, the opposite, trying to overthink of what your opponent is doing would just hurt your game. You're already analyzing your team while playing, over doing that would seriously not do any good.
2020-12-03 22:25
1 reply
+1 hltv kids have lower average iq than twitch chat, and thats saying a lot
2020-12-03 23:25
>cogu >cheating impossible to pick both
2020-12-03 22:28
I mean I know this sounds retarded but sometimes the most simplest rules should be CLARIFIED properly to each team so they are aware. Sometimes a little communication goes a long way.
2020-12-03 22:33
I am ashemed as a fan
2020-12-03 23:46
cogu is legend.
2020-12-03 23:47
Filth....
2020-12-03 23:56
#282
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Finland 5way
I FUCKIN KNEW IT
2020-12-04 02:08
#284
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Europe Cirros_V2
Yikes but stil it doesnt mean they won thanks to that and shit. Good decidion tho
2020-12-04 02:36
MIBR AGAIN
2020-12-04 03:41
Nooo :(
2020-12-04 09:15
yes
2020-12-04 10:30
hltv stupid
2020-12-04 10:32
You would think that MIBR would be extra carefull with such things given their current reputation and what has been going on as of late..................then this happens.
2020-12-04 10:45
#313
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Pakistan d1ckweed
unacceptable a fine doesn't do it justice should be disqualified from FP2
2020-12-04 14:33
#314
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Denmark Almoe
classic mibr
2020-12-04 16:33
#326
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Australia Caveman_
I guess this sort of remarks MIBR as a shady org now, even though the old line up may not have known that’s dead was cheating, but this? This is just keeping their cheating history consistent.
2020-12-04 18:55
all this idiots in hltv belive hltv... mibr no cheater
2020-12-04 21:00
No surprise there
2020-12-05 00:06
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